Well, my Sidebar friends, we are on verdict watch. The jury could come back as early as Tuesday. What do we think the verdict will be. I am super pissed that we lost juror H/8 she was the best note taker and was the most serious according to those in the courtroom. Is it wrong to hope one of the other jurors got salmonella or whose weekend trip ended with their flight getting canceled? It’s been a long journey and so much fun in comments. Hopefully we can all get involved in a new trial soon. But, not too soon. I still haven’t caught up on my DVR where I missed watching my daytime shows, and some night times ones too because I was glued to Runkle and the rest of the guys on Youtube. I think we all need a bit of a break. Maybe. We shall see what is coming up.
Meanwhile, Johnny Depp as been having the time of his life playing guitar and singing with Jeff Back on tour at London’s Royal Albert Hall. He got a standing ovation from the sold out crowd. I presume he will be back in court on Wednesday, but he really doesn’t HAVE to be there.
So we wait. I think at this point everyone has their mind made up and most if not all are pro Johnny Depp. But, all it takes is one holdout or God forbid three to make things take forever. If the verdict comes back Tuesday that is a good sign for Johnny because there are some jurors who are very obvious about being on his side.
Or they might decide to go with there was abuse on both sides. But, even then Johnny still wins his suit and vindicates his name. And either one of them or both could be granted monetary compensation. Or they could send them all home with nothing.
There is some talk about them giving Johnny $1. I don’t think the jury will even realize that is a choice. Runkle thinks it would great if Johnny was awarded $7 million, because that is what Amber got in the divorce. I don’t think they would think about that either. But, I’d love it if they did!
So when do you think the verdict will come in? What do you think will be there decision? They could find for Johnny but not for Amber, or vice versa. Remember there are two cases for them to rule on Johnny’s initial suit and the Amber’s countersuit. They could find for both cases if they go the abuse on both sides way. Or decide to deny both cases. Do you think anyone will get a monetary compensation for defamation? Any guesses on how much?
I do believe Johnny will win but probably not so much money. I do believe he wanted to be vindicated and he has so anything else is just icing on the cake. $7m would be GREAT!!!!!
“7 million dollars in total was donated. I split it between ACLU and LA children’s hospital” I think they showed this in court at least twice that I saw. It would have been enough for me to write it down. Who lies about donating to a children’s hospital. I hope Runkle is right and they find for Johnny and give him the 7 mil. Imagine the PR dream of him donating this to LA children’s hospital in full Captain Jack garb even better. Reputation restored. I’m hoping they decide quickly. I bet on 2 days. JD for the win 7 mill. AH loses counter claim.
I think you mean $7 million was pledged, NOT donated! AH lied about that too.
IMHO Amber’s lies were so egregious that I hope they award him $100 million. I think the $50 million he lost is fair because he did lose those 2 parts, unlike AH who will only lose $4 million for Aquaman3. There is no comparison between AH and Gal Gadot, Chris Pine and Jason M. They are all LEADING actors and Ah is supporting or minor player at best. She really does stink as an actress! How anyone could have believed her and her tearless sobbing is beyond me! I am also upset that JD also paid for AH and her friends to live in his penthouses and homes, took them on vacations and was basically taken advantage of by her friends and family for years! They talk about the $7 million settlement but it was more like 14.2 million after all of AH’s bills were paid off by JD. I think JDs career started to go downhill because of AH (they got together in 2011 or 2012).
I am hoping the jury sends a clear message that you don’t ruin someone’s life because they were leaving you or you didnt get the settlement you wanted! We know that is true because in audio you hear JD tell her he is leaving her. Days later she sends an ultimatum. Give me penthouses 1, 3 and 5 (expenses and utilities paid by JD), the range rover (expenses paid), $50k a month plus attorney fees or she will file the TRO. She knew JD was out of the country on tour and she alerted TMZ and which side of her face to photograph the bruise!
She has set DV and SV victims back and she should never work in Hollywood or be an ambassador to anyone. I’d even take her daughter away from her if I could.
I’d love to see them give jD $57 million and JD dress up as Jack Sparrow and visit the sick children (like he has in the past) and donate the $7 million to the childrens hospital. SCREW THE ACLU! They helped AH write that piece of garbage!
Bravo!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I believe there was a confusion over the wording. She said pledge which can be interpreted differently than saying donated. She is saying they are one and the same but I personally do not see them as synonymous. So to me it was unclear.
The problem is she did confuse the two words but still doubled down when told they don’t mean the same thing. Literally cannot admit any fault of her own.
Soooooo True. She doubled down hard. Then when they showed the video clip of her on the British Talk Show, literally saying, I donated the money too ……..
She transposes the word donate and pledge at her convenience.
I don’t want to beat a dead horse but that was it for me, when it came to her credibility. Also, was JD the only doing lines and taking hits of ecstasy for their 5 year relationship.
I hope this ends soon and she goes away. I do believe that whoever loses will file motion to appeal. We might have part 2
I’m exactly the same it was “the moment” for me. Watching that TV footage of her saying “donated it” and looking so smug with herself. Then doubling down in court trying to make us all think the words are interchangeable. Then likening it to a mortgage! I don’t know how Amber buys a house but my mortgage has fortnightly payments and the bank owns it until I pay it off. If I was a juror you could not change my mind on this.
Exactly !
I was open minded to hear her out at the beginning-then Amber started with Donation-Pledge “revision ” – comparing it to paying a mortgage ….. I was out .
It’s just not relatable to anyone who has a mortgage- or wants to buy a home. We are not idiots.
I did NOT pledge to Wells Fargo that I would pay my mortgage every month for 30 years.
It’s really sad that she is using and abusing the system
under the veil of “ womens rights” and
“Domestic Violence” So many women have a very difficult time getting people to believe them and don’t have a way out. The resources to help abused women are scarce at best. Amber discredits women that have been abused.
I don’t believe for a second that she “confused” the terms. She sought to hide the fact that she made no donation. No one as smart as she is doesn’t understand the difference. But she thought/hoped people would confuse them.
I actually should have said she “confused” bc I don’t buy it for a second as well! She is the smartest person in the room, right?! How would she confuse that? 🙄🤪
Agree with you 100%
But as I recall hearing in testimony from the ACLU rep, AH did not sign the Pledge Agreement and was asked to several times. So there is no agreement in place for the a forthcoming donation.
Excited for the verdict ! I do think whoever loses will appeal. I don’t think you have to be a Johnny Depp fan to dislike Amber. Amber came off as such a liar and even on cross examination would not take accountability for anything. It’s difficult to believe anything she says after the Pledge or Donated part of the trial. Amber would not give an inch and insisted she donated the $ to charity after Camille provided proof that she had NOT donated any money that others had in her name. Also, the excuse of not donating the divorce settlement money because JD sued her is representative of her altered universe. Amber had the divorce settlement money for 18 months before JD sued her. This one aspect of the trial, for me, was very telling that Amber is a liar and I think the jury had seen enough. I was screaming at my computer monitor during her cross examination WE ALL HAVE CALENDARS and CALCULATORS you didn’t donate a dime. Hope the jury comes back quickly.
I agree with you. I also could not believe some of the abuse she endured. Being a survivor of rape I fought for my life. Two men I fought off until I couldn’t anymore. But to say she was subjected to a bottle inserted was hard for me to believe. I would not have let a man I was married to do something like that and remain married. I cannot believe that story.
I am so sorry you had to go through that. As a survivor I respect your opinion
Thank you for sharing 🙏
AH has pissed off DA survivors as well as rape victims around the world, including me. You are very brave to have fought and to share. Secrets keep you sick and I applaud you. If Johnny Depp does not win I believe that sets women back. It really infuriates me.
Well, it is seven thirty a.m. and I have not been to bed yet. With the long weekend and not much to report, my up all night and sleep all day has gotten even worse. I barely woke up in time yesterday for BDSY recapping. So I was up all night last night as well. I’m kind of sleepy but I have to get up and go to the bathroom about every 45 minutes these days. It’s excruciatingly painful because I have not been able to eat. So there is a situation. Please send PrepH! I’m going to put the TV on Court TV in a bit and then lie down. So I may sleep through the whole verdict. 🙁 GRRRRRRR
Go to bed (in my Bethany voice)!
Omg go to bed!!! ❤️
Sign up for notifications with Emily D Baker? She will notify you on your phone when the verdict is in? I am so happy you are covering the trial, and happier that you turned us on to Runkle!! Any DA survivor is Pissed at AH. I really can’t see her ever working again. And So happy to see JD up there doing what he loves, it is very cathartic. I’s set up for the “ding” from EDB so I will jump on here when I hear it. Fingers crossed, but I do not think we will see a verdict today or even tomorrow.
Did you do it through YouTube or how?
FYI: Emily is doing a live YouTube stream today at 11am CST/12:00pmEST where she will go over the jury instructions during verdict watch and have a Q & A for those who have questions. I think she explains how to sign up for alerts during her streams.
I don’t see how Amber could possibly win. On pins and needles!
A friend who is very well connected in LA said if Amber loses there will be oodles of former colleagues and friends ready to spill the dirt on her.
Ok that is great tea and not surprising! That Insta acct I have mentioned before @houseinhabit, had a lot of friends of Amber’s ex reach out to her and also share pretty horrible stories of constant physical abuse.
Also – sidenote…. @houseinhabit is huge Queen Elizabeth fan and flew to attend Queen’s jubilee! Pretty fun to see pics!
I saw a picture of QE yesterday and she looks Amazing for 96!! Gives me hope- And so happy that Harry and family will be visiting with her. It’s about time.
She does!!! Same re Harry 🥰
Excitement for Harry’s children to visit their family and cousins. On this very special occasion of their great grandmother’s Jubilee.
An occasion that when they are older will be happy that they were there and took part in. Sadly, Harry’s children are not closer to that side of the family. I hope that this changes now. Nothing is sadder than not knowing your family because of parents arguing. Unfortunately, the children are caught in the middle.
I love the Queen! When I lived in Ottawa I was able to see Prince William and Princess Kate. She is really beautiful and he is so handsome in real life. Waited for 2 hours along the side of the road with 4 kids. 😂
Ooh I would have waited for that too! 👑
This should have been called The Defication Trial instead of The Defamation Trial
I hope they make an example of that lying B#[email protected]! narssissists think they can get away with this kinda crap and Im sick of it!Im especially sick of the pathetic “me too” crap!Johnnys got this one and she will be no more thanks to her own doing!I cant wait!!
I wish everyone who had dirt on AH had come out already but it wouldn’t have done the jury any good. I think AH seriously needs help. She is a very sick individual. The audio where she repeatedly tells JD to suck HER d**k and laughs maniacally really sent chills up my spine. I’m afraid for her child as well! She could be another Mommy Dearest!
Can someone explain to me how the judge determined who the alternate jurors where? I looked everywhere to see if it was predetermined or if she just decided on those two.
It was predetermined before the trial started. They literally out all 11 names in a hat and she drew out 4 names and they were revealed at the end of the trial. 7 jurors will decide this case.
Thank you! I started watching the trial in the last few weeks.
I think next to Johnny Depp (already) getting his vindication in the court of public opinion and Heard (who I inexplicably hated since I first knew who she was), having her downfall in the same “court,” MY FAVORITE THINGS about this trial are:
The new people commenting here — I hope they will stay — and some OGs returning
AND
The camaraderie of Emily D. and Runkle and Law & Lumber and the other lawtubers AND how they have built a community of sorts. I really love seeing people come together instead of acting like the Real Housebitches.
🙌🏻
I think Johnny will win. I don’t think the verdict will come today just because the paperwork alone seems to be a more brutal task than the trial itself.
I think 7 million would be a befitting amount and donate (not pledge 🤦🏼♀️) it to The Children’s Hospital and to a Men’s Domestic Abuse Charity or Shelter. After that bullshit nonsense with the ACLU, they can take a hike, totally lost credibility in my book and I am sure in a few others. What they did was damaging, shameful and irresponsible. I wonder if Johnny could go after them, I think he should.
I am curious if other charges will be awaiting Amber, perjury and for admitting altered photos into evidence? There was a situation regarding the judge getting angry after Rotten…..born asked the question about admitting fake evidence. Very curious about that.
JURY QUESTION RE OP-ED! Directly after lunch break. They must be close! The judge answered that the title is the statement in question!!!! Omg
Ok, you guys gotta head over to Twitter.
I was just taking a gander to see if there is any backlash against the ACLU. They did not disappoint!
There is a #ACLUsupportsabusers. WOW!
The ACLU is a nasty organization!
They are going after Johnny Depp for 90,000 to reimburse them for document prep. There is also talk of them suing him for the money Amber “donated”.
The ACLU knows no shame!
The ACLU’s twitter account is being blown to hell!
They are in the midst of being cancelled!
Sorry, I didn’t mean to leave TT but to check out what is happening to the ACLU on Twitter.
I know I am on a ACLU bender but this one is too good to pass up.
The ACLU provided a letter to the English Courts during the first trial saying that Amber did donate the 3.5 million. Now people are calling for the ACLU to get charged with perjury.
I hope Amber was worth it for the ACLU!
The jury in the Johnny Depp v Amber Heard trial has gone home for the night without reaching a verdict. They’ll return Wednesday at 9am.
They have been deliberating for roughly 9 hours.
Wow I had no idea the jury had to answer so many questions! Apparently the question they asked the judge was are they looking at the heading/title of op Ed or the entire article. She said just the title/heading for that particular question. “I spoke up against sexual violence – and faced our culture’s wrath. That has to change.”
If jurors find that statement is false then there are 7 more questions on that path to answer.
I don’t think she had any evidence that supported sexual violence so the first answer should be false. Then down the path they go.
I’m changing my estimate to earliest decision Thursday.
I was waiting at Peet’s coffee for the Fiancée to get her pre-op blood panel,and CoVid test. I was the only customer and there were three employees. I was curious about the take of the younger generation (guy, 26; girl, 22; guy, 19) on the Depp v Heard trial; were they even watching.
I asked if they were following. A RESOUNDING YES! Are they on either side? RESOUNDING JOHNNY. They all cited Heard’s lying ways as why.
All three know women who have been physically and sexually abused. They all are angry that Heard exploited the legit #metoo and #timesup survivors for her personal evil agenda.
As far as Depp damaging Heard’s “career”… only ONE of them knew who she was. From Aquaman. Granted, the pandemic put a damper on the movie business, but Heard was around before the pandemic.
All think Depp’s image will rebound, maybe even more Jack Sparrow. I wish.
Ok that’s funny bc have been going to my hubby’s radiation for prostate cancer which started last week and the two receptionists – one 40/50-ish and the other early 30-ish are watching and we catch up every day! They feel the same as we do!
This trial is bringing disparate groups of people together.
The “kids” yesterday want me to stop in again after they’ve had a chance to watch the HBO Perry Mason so we can discuss it. They were googling Erle Stanley Gardner after I told them the writer of (the original) Perry Mason was a lawyer and had some famous cases where he got innocent people freed from jail. So cute.
We all agreed Heard will need a REALLY good lawyer if she gets charged with perjury. We all wondered what, if any, precedent exists for using digitally altered photos as evidence.
Good Morning y’all! Just getting up. Rolled over a few times and saw the jury was still out and got some much needed rest. Thanks so much for all the updates today to let me know what I missed.
Does anyone have more details on what the jury was asking about the headline of the op ed? Was it about who actually wrote the head line?
Per Washington Examiner Twitter:
After hours of deliberating, jurors wanted to know if they are to determine whether Amber Heard made defamatory claims in her entire 2018 op-ed or just the headline.
Amber’s attorneys looked like they were reeling when this question was read out.
As someone posted here before, the writers RARELY write the heds. They may (but usually do not, except for the brilliant ones here and there). The copy editors write the heds. My first Copy Desk mentor taught me that a goos copy editor needs a dirty mind. To avoid the Headlines feature then in Jay Leno! So in the Washington Post, likely a copy editor wrote it.
I think there was a question — but maybe I am confused — about the bed on when she reposted it. THAT LIKELY was hers. I THINK that whole reposting thing is a point of contention.
Is there really a winner here?
In my opinion. Both individuals were abusive. Both need major psychological help.
All I see is two very sick individuals.
This.
Y’all I was up super late watching the law tubers painstakingly going over those complicated jury forms and they spotted two actual errors on the forms, one of which is a simple change of the word “or”to “and”, which changes the entire sentence structure of the instruction and pertains to the criteria that must be met. Keep in mind that they are lawyers and nitpicking but if the jury reads it that way they can believe she is lying and still side with her legally and it’s stressing me out. I mean, I hope they don’t check their common sense at the door but I’ll be devastated (as will many other survivors) if she gets away with her blatant lies. TBH, I lost faith in our justice system a long time ago but this has so many real life repercussions for so many people, I really hope they get this one right -regardless of any monetary awards. Hopefully they are listening to the cackling audio again because it is sofa king disturbing I don’t know how anyone can’t be swayed by that emotionally.
Don’t ask me where the error was located because my brain is fried from going over every single page, lol. I totally need to find something else to occupy my brain other than this shitshow. It’s not healthy!
Many women and men totally invested in this. DA survivors coming out in force against AH. I do not see 2 sick individuals, I see one. JD is thoughtful and seems to have a lot of self-awareness that AH does not have one single iota. I don’t think it is necessarily unhealthy, you just want justice, as do we all.
Now I need to listen to the “cackling voice” part which I have been meaning to. Thank IJC.
Someone with my typing skills must have typed up those documents. Did no one PROOFREAD them?