I need to go to bed soon so that I can be up in time for closing arguments today. I woke up this morning and then fell right back to sleep. Thankfully, Runkle was there and he breaks most everything down in an hour and fifteen minutes.
I’m going to put the seating chart for the jury here for y’all again here. I refer to it all the time myself. One of the lawtubers talks about Juror number 4’s beautiful fashions a lot. The jurors seem to hate Dr. Hughes like we all do.
Runkle thinks that none of the jurors believe anything Amber said. They seemed happy to see Camille Vasquez getting up to cross examine Amber. Apparently, Amber really bombed on the witness stand. That is what I thought too. But, I only saw a bit of her testimony. What the hell with Amber saying people want to put her baby in the microwave? After the defense rested Amber and Johnny left. So did most of the galley who were almost thrown out shorty before for talking to much. But, Runkle stayed for the jury instructions.
Thanks TT – do what you can but take care of yourself ❤️
Yes!!!! Thank you so much TT. You are appreciated! #1 though is that we all want you to put
your health first.
I cannot thank you enough for the Runkle referral. I listened to him last night and also emily d? Don’t know if I have that right but I am LIVING for this trial and was Shocked by Ambers testimony yesterday. Narcissists love to have the last word. I agree with Runkle that Depp will win, I’m just wondering if they will stick to the 50 million or maybe just ask for a dollar. Runkle opined that they may give him 7 million because that is what Amber got in the divorce.
She is Done. Fingers crossed. I am very lucky in that I can have the live feed on in front of my computer on my Iphone and still work. It is very slow at work so that fills my time. Don’t know how I will amuse myself when this is done. If I was on the Jury I would want to get the verdict in and go Home. And sweet revenge as today is 7 years (maybe 6?) to the day since she got the TRO and Johnny Depp’s daughters birthday. Hope you are feeling better.
Thought the same thing about a quick verdict, especially going into long holiday weekend. I watched all of the law tubers: Emily, Runkle and dui guy and they all said that they think jury is already on JD side. One even smiled at JD yesterday. After all the histrionics, the case boils down to defamation and as many noticed yesterday, she admitted that she wrote it about him. I’d go further and find malice after that soliloquy about going against the JD machine. I feel like she tried to ride the #Metoo wave but he is NOT Harvey Weinstein with 2mil other victims. Quite the opposite in that all exes speak highly of him. DUI guy opined she already knows she lost but she also already got what she wanted-publicity.
She is also a proven liar and a bad one at that-her hubris blinded her from the lengths others would go to prove her lies.
Jury instructions before closing imo will only put the part about the op-Ed admission in their heads going into closing which will just drive it home!
JMO!!!
I’m waaaayyyy too obsessed with this case lol!
Me too, no pun intended. This resonates with Anyone who has been abused, and who knew it was so prevalent especially for men?
So thankful you mentioned his daughter’s Birthday as the day she chose to file. The tape of him begging to leave and meet his daughter… a decent person doesn’t ask you to neglect seeing your child so you can “ prove you love me”.
Classic abusive behavior “PROVE IT” I
Yes- thank you TT! Echoing Melcle-take care of yourself.
And raising my hand for trial junkie roll call 👋 IJC present, ankles taped and ready for closings!!!
🙋🏻♀️ Here and ready!
Present! ✋
Here we go! Closing arguments. Waiting to see just what each side will bring up. Thank goodness the are only 2 hrs. each.
In the court of public opinion Depp has won. Let’s hope the jury is in agreement. Fingers crossed.
TT, you gotta take care of you first!
The Microwave Baby statement is interesting.
There is a court case going on in the UK between WAGS Colleen Rooney and Rebekah Vardy (both are footballer wives.) The trial is called Wagatha Christie because Colleen Rooney called out Vardy for leaking information to the tabloids and was able to find out it was Vardy by turning off who can see what Colleen posts via Instagram. Anyway, there is a statement from Vardy that she became suicidal over people making threats about putting her baby in the microwave.
Now! Here is where things get interesting. Amber’s SM is locked. She is not able to make nor receive comments (statement is courtesy of Twitter.) So, how can she be receiving daily death threats from SM, which is what she stated (or a derivative) during her last testimony that she was receiving daily death threats and the baby microwave statement as well. Just checked her Instagram and it has been shut down for 6 weeks. Same with Twitter. Now looking at her Twitter account recent posts, just a couple cause I am not wasting time on this chicks Twitter. There are nothing but positive and loving statements (I checked more than a couple). Now its not to say that she didn’t scrub the accounts. However, if one is going to court, one would have all the evidence they need for the trial that they are being abused online. I’m not seeing it.
But then again, I think she is full of shit and has been disposing her excrement at this trial, very much like how she shit in her own bed!
Yes, I have had my Diet Coke, I am going to fetch another!
Good catch EAC!!!! Go fetch another DC, you are on fire!
I was going to ask how she can get loads of DEATH THREATS if her SM is shut down. Lies.
However, people DO say horrible stuff.
When Kim K posted baby North having swim lessons, people said they hoped she drowned. A BABY.
I do believe that microwave comment was said about other famous person’s baby. But maybe I misremember. I’m thinking Heard is saying stuff she heard (npi) from other celebs.
I wonder (It’s been suggested she had a baby for mom value sake) I know, disgusting but?
Guess Elizabeth Holmes did so?
Anyway, I think it’s probably not been mentioned a handful of times, and she didn’t reveal her daughter until publicly noteworthy, with photos.
I found suspect, without knowing who AH was.
I think she expected more of “she’s a mother!!!” And it didn’t quite go down like that.
Is Amber still able to read comments on Facebook, blogs etc?
I have been hearing conflicting stories on what Johnny or Amber are allowed to view on SM. I heard they are allowed to look but not respond and heard that they are not allowed to look at anything.
I just wondered if maybe she was reading comments since they are heavily stacked against her. Just wondered.
Wow. How I missed this comment is astounding. Very very interesting!!!! A baby in a microwave is a very specific (although heinous) threat. Hmmmm
Is there anyone here that is on AH side?
I see no hands. LOL
My hands are shoved deep into my pockets. Yes, even as I type and drink my Diet Coke! I am that good! No support from me. I feel bad for all parties involved, cause, seriously, this is bad.
I’m not on either side. She is mentally ill and he’s an addict. No winners here.
Omg just had a delicious thought! JD wins and gives his proceeds immediately (meaning donating and not just pledging – jeez..) to ACLU and Childrens hospital
YEEEESSSSS!
Eat that for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
EPIC
NOT NOT NOT to ACLU! ACLU was involved in writing Heard’s open and pushing for publication to be days before Aquaman release.
ACLU is not what it used to be.
Maybe the Innocence Project along with the children’s hospital.
I stand corrected – thank you Nanette!
Thank you Nanette!
I agree, let my stance be noted.
It is quite clear what the ACLU”S agenda is.
Great minds think alike, I remember when the ACLU was about rights and willing to offend the public to defend those principles.
I’m really disappointed in ACLU, they wrote the article, it was reckless of them. Did they do it for the money? Her “pledge.”
Not to be technical, they did not write the article, she wrote the oped. Finally admitted it on the stand yesterday when Camille Vasquez goaded her during cross-examination. They reviewed it, edited it and had their lawyer review it to ensure they could not be sued (they removed JD’s name from the article she turned over to them) according to the ACLU representative who testified.
OMG, I was thinking that yesterday!!
Oops, yeah just saw what you reminded us of the ACLU’s involvement. How great would it be if Johnny donated to an abused spouse type of organization ( for both sexes )?
That would be great!!!
Johnny would actually have to RECEIVE the money from Amber and that is never going to happen. Johnny has already won what he wanted.
yep
Wait. Did judge just say they can award extra damages???!!! Like PUNITIVE??!!
YES!! Highly unlikely IMO but wow!!
Omg Camille puts her gum by a sticky note! That is something I would do bc I’m always chomping on gum!
Umm is today’s hairstyle supposed to represent a crown of thorns? 😂
You can’t make this shit up!
😂🤣👍
Is there an advantage to going first in closing arguments or is it the person who brought the case that has to go first in closing arguments?
Idk about which order has advantage, but plaintiff goes first always. That said, since she has a counter claim, her side will be the last to go before it goes to jury. That’s my understanding anyway. I’m not 100% but I think one of the lawtube people addressed this.
What in the world could Amber be writing!? Her memoirs? Her statement for when she loses? List of potential suitors?
A kill list…
😂🤣👏
LOL 😉, she was very busy, busy. (Until the call time for distraught looks)
“💩 on the Bed” list . . .
Writing that list up with a Number 2 pencil!
best comment ever!
One camera zoomed in (it’s all over tiktok) She’s writing nothing. Her pen isn’t even on the paper. Just pretending to write 😂
Y’all that last part where Camille acknowledged all real victims actually made me tear up. It’s so true and I think why I have such a visceral reaction to her. It’s like she’s taken a giant shit on us and made a mockery of our experiences.
I’m so sorry for to you all real victims of abuse
IJC – thank you for saying that because it does feel like that.
I am also sorry IJC for you and all the others that have suffered abuse. I cannot imagine the
the pain you went through.
I appreciate the support here. The fact that I’m not the only one who feels this way is validating in and of itself. I’m guessing there’s others not commenting who feel the same. Thanks also, Kiki26. If you know you know. 💕
That is why there is so much backlash against Amber.
She is lying and she, herself, is an abuser and I am not sure which pisses me off more (I think the latter, cause I don’t think there is enough being said about this.)
This will not end with her, regardless of the trial or verdict.
She is going to claim til the day she is buried that she is a victim of DV.
She is going to be pushing the same bullshit rhetoric that she pushed in the OP ED.
After all of this, she is going to do her damndest to be a spokesperson for Domestic Violence Survivors. She will look to start her own DV program. This is what she will do in place of having a career in Hollywood. This will anger not only the public who don’t believe her but true survivors who don’t believe her.
There is going to be another fight on her hands. When an actual domestic violence victim confronts her and calls her out.
This is just getting started.
I’m tuning out Elaine as I type this. I hope you are wrong. If the jury gets this right I hope it cancels her. She only has a platform if others give her one. I have no doubt she’ll try because, narcissist. But if she is ordered to pay substantial damages and can’t discharge in a bankruptcy it might finally get her to stfu.
I also hope that after trial is over someone with a big platform reveals Jennifer Howell stuff. It’s so powerful.
I’ve been tuning Elaine out as well!
I too hope Jennifer Howell’s letters are made public but someone with some clout!
This is what has pissed me off most since the beginning. When she labeled herself an advocate for DV. Anyone can be an advocate, they do not need to have been a survivor of DV. It was her calling herself as an advocate BECAUSE she said she was a victim. I did not EVER believe her. Just my spidey senses. (Subconscious mind picking up on cues.)
How far did she set back the REAL survivors of DV?
I had something to say about her but I am worried it may need a trigger warning with it. I am not sure what constitutes a trigger warning. I also want to be respectful and sensitive of the needs of the true survivors that are on here. While I am a survivor, it doesn’t give me license.
So, I would like to think that it wouldn’t set back true survivors, cause she is not a survivor but an instigator and for the most part society doesn’t believe her.
Mention it all! Yes she triggers me but speaking for myself I use humor to cope. I know this is a serious issue and I’m super pissed that she has made a mockery of real survivors, but I also think she’s the aggressor and have no problem making fun of her for her bullshit. As you described yesterday, we all have coping mechanisms to get through life.
This is a a great question Nanette. I pray that it doesn’t set the real sufferers back. More fallout from her lies. Hopefully her credibility is shot. The verdict and time will tell.
Exactly. Could you recount your experiences On A Witness Stand without shedding a single tear? Noe. I know I couldn’t. When I was in rehab and recounting my experience my fellow “inmates” ;)) said it seemed like he was right outside. I had no idea what I was experiencing. And this was almost 20 years after the abuse.
I will need to learn how to sleep again after this trial. It starts at 11pm here in Australia so I get sucked in every. single. night. Ive never seen anything like this and doubt I ever will again. It’s been a study of human behaviour, pop culture, addiction, celebrity and psychiatry. It’s really made me think and ruminate about a lot of things. I think he will win.
The smirks between Amber H. and her attorney are disgusting. I hope the jury sees them.
Ok, I am glad someone else said something. I saw the same.
I hope the jury has been watching her like a hawk and taking notes on her.
Had to run out to doc appt. Watching on my phone . Did Ben mention yet AH admitting she wrote the op Ed yesterday??
No. He’s going over jury instructions. I wondered why he wouldn’t just replay her saying it. Does the fact that it was part of her counter claim restrict him from doing that? Idk!?!
I felt like that was an integral point. Wish I understood this better
I hear you! There were a few things that they didn’t bring up that I felt was really important. That was one of them!
Shit. It got busy at work. Google is useless. Did The Judge give the jury instructions first? Anyone??!!
Yes.
Johnny’s side closed first. Camille and Ben spoke.
Amber’s side is on now. Rotten…….born (sorry had to, that is how JD calls him).
Thank you so much-
Ok, an Amber alert has gone off in court.
Given what Amber alerts are used for, I will refrain from what was about to fly out of my mouth and on the keyboard.
But if I may, the irony of it.
I hope the child(ren) involved in the Amber alert is found safe.
Yes. The irony not lost.
I’m finding myself tuned out for Rotten Born. I just can’t.
Okay this is really rude but yesterday when she said “I’m a human being “ all I could think of is that old movie about the elephant man. I know. My bad. And only those who are old will probably get it.
I find myself physically feeling her face and distraught looks looking forced during the closing from her attorney.
I’m phobic about liars (Jodi Arias gave me the same reaction) I am sure because I was raised on so many secrets I NEED to be told the truth.
I’m yet to see and judge the truth (all the time)but expected to hear it in the witness chair. Provable lies we have.
Makes me cray cray!!!!!!
And his arguments have been blown out of the water by Camilla Vasquez, so he can just have a seat!!
Yes. The lies, projection and gaslighting is what gets me. And when your entire case is based on a LIE, the closing falls flat no matter how good the attorney. No matter how many times you repeat the lie, it doesn’t make it true.
What if anything could she have done? She could have told the truth.
What I am not liking is how Amber’s side is allowed to even reference the UK case. I get why the defense has brought it in, to let the jury know that everything that was said in the UK was said here, so this is just another loss.
The UK case has nothing to do with this case. I am not sure how or why this was allowed.
I do not care for Elaine. There was a time that I felt bad for her just because you could see she was struggling. However, that shitty comment to Morgan Tremaine was unnecessary and unprofessional on her part. I am glad he gave it back to her just as good as she gave it. But then again, when people are losing, they go for everything! The whole Amber Heard team is a joke. Normally lawyers come out of these cases looking better. Not in this case, I can’t see anyone running to their law offices.
Also, Elaine is just regurgitating what Rotten…..born closed with…..
FWIW, I just googled the cap for punitive damages in the state of VA. $350k is max that can be awarded for punitive.
I was wondering what the $350k represents, I thought lawyers? No that was a cool 6mil.😎
Thanks IJC.
Questions:
Now that the jury has the case.
Given that Johnny is LA based, not sure of Amber’s living situation, do they need to stay in Virginia while this verdict is being decided?
Do both sides have to be there in the courtroom each day as the case is deliberated?
I read that they will not be there for verdict.
I’m hoping that 7 people decide quicker than 12.😊
JD & AH not going to be there for verdict? Bummer.
Yes, I guess so they aren’t photographed when verdict told?
I think it’s just too much waiting and would be examined.
I’m okay with it. They did what they had to.
Judge said she will give 1 hour notice before verdict is read. The attys and clients won’t be in court. But she also asked for the attys to stay within ten minutes of courthouse in case the jury submits a question. I know from the lawtubers that all attys are staying in VA until the very end as in verdict being read. As for clients, if they plan to be there for verdict (idk if it’s required but can’t imagine either skipping it), Cali is more than an hour away so I imagine they will stay as well. Again, this is from the law tubers, I am not an expert obviously.
I still have questions too so I’m going to re-watch on Emily’s thing to hear her commentary which usually answers my questions and I can f fwd through a lot of it.
Verdict watch! Yay!
Question: will/can they appeal the verdict?
I truly have tried sympathizing with her, a addict does crazy things while binging.
Until and since the audio tapes from Australia and the re-direct, I never questioned him again.
Even today, I didn’t hear the evidence that he physically and/or sexually assaulted her.
If verbal abuse he admitted to, means he loses, I wonder how the lawyers proceeded while knowing that he was guilty.
I wondered the same thing.
I would be a awful juror. AH attorney said “if he said a abusive word once” she wins.
I don’t know how to go from there.
“It’s all or none” believing A H testimony. Okay, that’s that.
A wash?.both lose? What are the jurors supposed to decide? Why am I here to decide this!!!? My juror self would wonder.
Oh, and the first amendment on top of it all!!geesh.
This changes the definition of abuse under the law, we have probably all said things when angry or hurt that could we regret and could be considered abusive. It is verbal and emotional abuse with the intent to control and isolate that is so damaging…
What is good for the goose is good for the gander, a female insults a male that physically attacks her ? BS. She had friends and family around her CONSTANTLY. She interferes in the child/ parent relationship ( the begging to see his daughter was the end for me ). Interfered with relationships and people he had been friends with for decades?
Issac Barrush (?) was the witness that I think even Amber felt a little pain. Asked by CV, Amber actually couldn’t bring herself to insult him, call him out for weeping . That was brutal and honest testimony.
From the words of Amber Turd I didn’t punch you I hit you.
Out of her mouth.
I side with Depp. $0 on both sides.
Not true, because she never claimed verbal abuse. She claimed Sexual and Physical abuse. Camille reiterated it in her closing. If you believe she lied about anything (which is obvious), how do you believe her?
This. And 1st amendment doesn’t give anyone the right to accuse someone in public of a heinous crime with zero evidence to back it up, thus a definition lawsuit.
*Defamation!
I’m confused though / isn’t there clear evidence presented of verbal abuse “the next move if I don’t walk away….. it’s going to be a bloodbath like it was on the island”. Or the screaming “you stupid F” – if one instance of verbal abuse means she wins this case, don’t we have clear evidence of it right here?
Can we also remember she didn’t bring this case forward, she is defending herself from litigation Depp brought forward. The counter suit is kind of standard play right?
He is placing a crazy financial burden on her through all this – it feels like financial abuse all over again to me, and for what? It feels more to smear her than regain his own reputation.
As many have said, I think they had a toxic relationship and were likely both abusers – but it doesn’t cancel out the fact Depp is an abuser and therefore should lose this case.
She put out the op Ed. She lied over and over and accuses Everyone of perjury. But herself.
I say he gets a dollar because they have to award if found in his favor. He’s allowed to defend his reputation.
Boy, I am glad you are not on the jury.
Amber instigated the events that resulted in this case. She is a bald faced liar. She accused him, sullied his name, lied about abuse, used makeup (remember she inadvertently called it “bruise makeup” That’s because it’s used to create bruises.) There is a photo of her, with no marks, skipping out of the courthouse after getting the TRO. I can’t believe that anyone gives weight to anything she says.
This is not financial abuse and that is not an issue in this case. She has plenty of money from not making the donations she promised. If lawyer fees used it up, too bad.
He is not an abuser. Verbal abuse was never alleged or even brought up until closings and her lawyers were desperately trying to find a basis for her to win. And she certainly hurled more than her fair shaire of verbal abuse.
Her lack of touch with reality is clear in the crazy hairstyles and librarian outfits. They did not make her relatable at all. Regular hair and clothes would have served her far better than the costumes she wore every day.
Again – I do t disagree with many of the posts you made. But it’s a defamation case – a single instance of any abuse means the jury should find in her favour. The audio clips I mentioned were not raised in closing they were raised around day 3-4 and again, would those words not constitute a verbal abuse? Assuming they are, case closed right? There is no ‘contributory negligence’ aspect to this case, it’s simply was she abused at any point or not. Maybe not to the degree she states, but to say 100% of what she has said is untrue, in the context of those audio clips, the images we have seen and some of the expert testimony to me seems a little bit close minded? And isn’t the burden of proof of a civil case the balance of probabilities? It’s not beyond a reasonable doubt – so there is more leniency here to at least say some of what she suggested is probable.
I agree only because I remember when they were divorcing and she was supposed to get $50 million. The crazies came out of the woodwork backing Depp who was saying she didn’t deserve that amount. So ok she gets $7 million then Depp says what is she going to do with it? He thought it should go to charity and so that’s what she did. I think he is controlling and she isn’t playing with a full deck.
Please read an article by Jason B Whiting on this case. I was interested after reading all the comments on Amber Heard smirking because Initially I stayed away from this case after seeing Depp on the witness stand being allowed and applauded for his flippant remarks and arrogance on the witness stand showing him to be a man knowing the world is on his side. I’m not on either side of this debacle. Just wondering how no one else noticed his flippant attitude. Not trying for an argument just as a person looking at both sides.
I will take this one. He was flippant with Rotten,,,born just as Rotten…born was with him. He uses his words and tone to make his point. I noticed, I just did not care, after all, if someone did all the crap to me AH has admitted to doing to him and their lawyer was being snide, I would react the same way. I think part of the problem is that we expect men to react differently to abuse than we do, and we forget that she filed for divorce less than a week after his mother died and a TRO on his daughter’s birthday. It is like she figured out a perverse way to ruin every special date in his life.
PRECISELY!!!
Oh I don’t like anything about Amber and feel she’s dug her own grave. I just felt Johnny was being very glib and not treating the process seriously. It’s my curse to usually see both sides.
I used to try to see both sides. Then trump happened. Now, I am firmly in the camp of “there is right and there is wrong. All mistakes and all wrongs are not equal.”
Lying about being raped with a wine bottle is not the same as being verbally abused. If she had written an oped claiming she was verbally abused after physically assaulting her husband, I would have been like “Yeah, she is telling the truth.” We should believe everything else she says. But he is saying “I used drugs and alcohol, I abused objects and furniture, the only person I am guilty of abusing is myself” and she is saying: “Everything I have ever done has been a reaction to being physically abused” while not showing any signs of physical abuse or ever accusing him of physically abusing her in all those hours of tapes she recorded.
By the way, let us not forget that they can refer to his texts because he submitted his phone and she was supposed to be facing sanctions for destroying hers.
Just browsing and puking as Heard talks about her triggers … if she’s filming Aquaman and is triggered, the whole set closes … blah, blah, blah…
After detailing her upbringing and everything that went on, she claims now that Depp started these triggers. Uh, no, do not believe. Either she has lied for years about her early home life or she has minimized it when it suits her.
Thanks so much for all comments and to TT for getting us on the Runkle train. Camilla was giving me good Meagan Markle vibes today when she was bad ass on Suits not annoying Princess Meagan. I love the idea of people looking up to Camilla in all of this what a bad ass she is. Love her. OMG now I need to get off the train I was actually watching DUI guy sooking about not getting into court. Then thought what the hell am I doing! Runkle and Rob actually lined up and slept in the line. I’m going to watch Runkles debrief then hopefully return to my life! Hope JD wins.
Yeah, DUI guy turned me off the day before yesterday. I find Runkle, Emily D Baker and Law and Lumber much easier to watch.
Happy Saturday!!
Ok a couple of tidbits bc I think this is what I specialize in…. 🤷🏻♀️
@jamesincourt (he sat w Runkle and crew) said Before jury left, AH lawyer, Elaine went into the bathroom and cried.. he said it had happened once before. I really feel they were (clearly) outmatched by JD’s team…. Which brings me to my other tidbit…
So I started down this rabbit hole (JD/AH) by following @houseinhabit. She was at Ghislaine Maxwell’s trial and covered it extensively. She was also at this trial the first week covering it and came back this week. Her account is shut down and now is @houseinhibited. Anyhoo…. She turned me on to @thejdcase which turned me onto some of the YouTube videos.. so @house (shortened) has a lot of followers and a lot of intel. For example Courtney Love reached out to her recently and @house posted her video. Anyhoo…. Someone who works for Rocket Man (crooked dick as JD likes to call him) and said the following…. Paraphrasing here – he hooked AH up w her lawyers and got her mediocre ones bc he does NOT want her to win. He is physically drained by her. She has dirt on him but one she loses, dirt goes away…. I do believe her baby is his – the result of the embryos he wanted to get rid of…. Also @house account went down when she first reported on Rocket Man so she was thinking the second account would as well but it’s still up.
That’s all I got! Have a great weekend!
That’s all you got? LOL! I am FASCINATED by the tea you have been serving, Melcle. And that I am able to decipher the code of who you’re talking about before finishing my first cup of caffeine is a testament to how obsessed I have been with this case. (At first for a hot second I thought RocketMan you were referring to was Elton John-bc it’s early am and he was mentioned by Rottenborn yesterday, which I’m still scratching my head as to why that was necessary other than a client driven name drop, lol) Just woooow! Thank you again for bringing it all to TT and sharing with all of us sidebar junkies in comments.
And enjoy your weekend as well! 🙂
IJC! Hahaha!!! I just love some good tea! 😎. This is the stuff I tell my hubby which I start w “word on the street” and he literally rolls his eyes at me! So glad I have you all!!! 😂😂😂
I really hope you stick around after this shitshow is over. in the foreseeable future, there should be a lot to comment about, because … #felonsbybravo
Have a great weekend.
Also, I love James bc he was in several pics of the audience gasping w his mouth wide open! That would have been me!!! Lol
I also appreciate your tea. He will forever be Mollusk to me, even reading articles about him. JD has a way with words.
OMG i LOVE Mollusk! HAHAHA
Tamara, I hope you are feeling better soon. I want to thank you for your Sidebar posts and comments. And turning us onto Runkle and the other law tubers (I never knew this group even existed and would have never found them if not for you!) I really appreciate the safe space you have provided for us to be able to discuss this particularly riveting case . You really have cultivated a great group here! Your insights and knowledge of the law are top notch. I feel like I’m learning stuff instead of counting dead brain cells when there’s a case you cover.
Thanks are also in order to all the awesome commenters that have engaged in this trial. I’ve not been so sucked into a court case in many years. I have thoroughly enjoyed exchanging ideas with each of you, and in a space that felt safe to bring up some of my own personal experiences. To find out there’s others here who have suffered through much of the same was also comforting as well as the support from everyone. Also y’all are hilarious and the humor brought levity to the intense material. Regardless of opinions on how the verdict goes, I haven’t found a better group of decent human beings anywhere else. This was time consuming and emotionally draining, partly because I was sooo obsessed. That said, after some recovery time, I look forward to the next case we can collectively engage in!
Hope everyone has a restorative and enjoyable long weekend! I’ll see y’all back here when verdict is returned! Y’all are awesome! 😊
Agree wholeheartedly.
Have a great weekend. Just don’t go out to buy gas in California …
IJC – same!!! Thank you so much TT and this wonderful group of people!
I find it an honor that someone would feel comfortable enough to share something personal of theirs with essentially strangers. So, thank you for trusting.
On other sites, some of the views are dismissive, many think it is ridiculous and pathetic that people would take their time to even acknowledge what they think is a spectacle. It’s Hollywood after all. How and why should the outside world be sympathetic nor show care to this couple who have everything, yet are clearly troubled individuals?
It does come across as a spectacle and it’s salacious and at times TMI. We have all shared a few comical thoughts about the case and while abuse is no laughing matter, many will use humor to get through a personal opinion or a triggering moment. (Guilty as charged!)
I think what many are not seeing nor hearing is that this trial is actually a big deal. This is bringing certain issues front and center and often turned a blind eye to:
Domestic Violence.
Domestic Violence towards men. This is a major taboo that never gets addressed.
False accusations.
DV doesn’t just happen in Hollywood, it is worldwide and more common than what society wants to see, hear or admit to. We have all seen people falsely accused have their lives ruined because of false accusations (and not just with DV, but crimes in general).
Everyone has their opinions on who may be innocent or guilty or keeping a neutral stance that the whole thing is a sad and tragic situation.
While this may be a joke and pathetic to many, this is very real and cannot be met with derision because it’s Hollywood.
Thank you Tamara for providing a place where this could be discussed, vetted out, considered, etc.
Thank you everyone for sharing your opinions, humor, thoughts and kindness.
Ditto what IJC said.
Good Saturday Morning Lovely People!
Want to throw out a thought on one of the audio tapes.
The one where Amber is laughing, mocking, taunting, and just sounding downright strange and maniacal.
If a person is being domestically abused, I don’t think they would provoke their abuser. They wouldn’t taunt or bait their abuser. An abuser would behave the way she does in that audio by mocking and taunting their victim.
For me, I did my best to keep a low profile as well as keeping subjects simple and non confrontational. Yes, I know that no domestic abuse situation is the same.
Just an observation.
Oh I completely agree! That is one of the main reasons I became obsessed with this. Her audio recordings are so damning to me…. There was absolutely no fear!!! Mocking, taunting, pushing him to anger. Absolutely disgusting.
After all the EVIL LIVES HERE on ID channel, the stories of abuse are so similar.
Their is always a recipe, that works, and it usually isn’t a marriage of 15 months, public…..it’s Until death or escape.
She has SO MANY of the hallmarks of an abuser. But the tapes are so creepy. SHE is so creepy. The way she dresses like she is Beetlejuice In Court, always playing a role. If she ever gets another role, it definitely won’t be in a tearjerker — I haven’t seen a single tear shed. Just the scrunched up ugly cry face.
Omg that cackling made me so uncomfortable every time they played it. To elaborate a bit on my experience, I was taunted like that by my mother growing up and she’s returned to this kind of behavior as she declines with age. I also was assaulted by someone who put me in the hospital years ago for a very long time. But in therapy I learned long ago about the grey rock method of retreating from the instigator in any of these situations and that is my go to. I feel like JD obviously had a therapist and coped in a similar way. I might be projecting a lot but regardless; In no way would anyone who has experienced it taunt their abuser or do anything to ignite the anger/rage. Whatever ones coping mechanism in the moment, I don’t see any human doing anything to goad the abuser into anger or by mocking them. She is a lying liar who lies and as Ben Chew said her lies only get bigger, more outlandish and metastasize with time. It’s disturbing and disgusting.
My novel is in moderation for some reason but totally agree. I was hesitant to say she set him up and thought that was an outlandish idea until I started paying attention to the proceedings. The secret recordings are super creepy and malicious but ironically she is so manipulative and unaware of reality that all the recordings did were expose herself.
You guys are amaze balls.😊
I’m going to be surprised with a verdict because just from the above comments, it could be very divided in that jury room.
The fact that they were anxious to get out of there for the weekend kinda says something. I don’t think that it is kumbaya. Guess we’ll see.
Also for those who are having withdrawals or still not over saturated, Runkle did a late night stream with law & lumber Rob and a couple of other guys last night on Runkle’s channel. Just fyi lol. I fell asleep watching it last night but it’s still up.
Wrong. Wrong . ZERO proof of him being an Abuser. ZERO. Ample proof She is the ABUSER. She ADMITTED to it.
Accusations are just that ..unproven word salad. I was totally swayed against her by her ridiculous acting on the stand..the audio tapes , the lack of photo evidence on her part..my god I have been physically abused and I documented EVERYTHING. He how many times..punched her face until she lost track of them..wearing those big old rings ..and not one photo
.by her friends..her nurse..herself?
I’m going to try to lighten things up y’all. Sorry but I started thinking about who could be cast in the Netflix Ltd series for this and input will be fun. So far I’ve decided that Camille should be played by either JLo or Penelope Cruz, Elaine by Sarah Paulson, and some completely random, basic unknown rookie actress for AH. That’s as far as I’ve gotten lol.
I think Adam Waldman is an incredibly toxic person and I hope that Mr Depp gets him out of his life.
Claire – so many see Adam Waldman as a hero who brought Amber’s lies to light. Give me your thoughts since you feel different. I’m serious bc I hear differing things. Thanks
Everyone is so joyous about the fact that Johnny got his say, You really think he’s better off when the dust on this has settled you think that Walman pushing him in this and other cases has been beneficial. Forget the team Johnny he’s tainted and I fear has nobody who truly gives a damn. I suggest you read the Rolling Stone interview which Walamn set up. Johnny is a victim of all the parisite’s that have fed off him I don’t think Amber has been the worst.
I wouldn’t say I was “joyous” he got his say bc a lot that came out was ugly but I am glad for him that he got his say since I do believe AH is a liar.
I do agree he has been surrounded by people who are not good for him although I do think Amber was the worst or at least on par w the worst.
I think both of them are I doubt he remembers a lot of what he did he’s a mess and the facts are she has a child to get back to and he has a major void and a lot of people I don;t are healthy waiting in the wings, No matter the outcome I think he;s going to feel like shit it will be shallow and joyless and it;s not a victory or anyone it;s been a circus which never needed to happen and it;s why I query Walman’s influence I maintain it’s not healthy.
The biggest abusers in all of this sorry mess have been the ‘Johnny your great team Johnny give me another $ Johnny love you Johnny’ his family everyone he’s had in his employee. I doubt he has anyone who he truly trusts as even is own sister seems to take advantage. This hasn’t been good for him despite the bravado.
Interesting outlook. I do agree that Waldman should have clarified that when he tweeted out the comments that he was not speaking for JD. Then she would not have had a basis for the countersuit. However, I do believe JD needed to file the lawsuit after the SA accusation in the headline of the Oped. Surprised he did not do it sooner, but her tweet apparently was the straw that broke the camel’s back.
I have been there and put up with a lot of verbal abuse, left the first time it got physical. I know the differenct and simply want someone who purports to be an advocate to be honest about their experience. It sets all of us back and makes it harder to believe when people lie abou these things. The backlash is not about liking him, I could not possibly care less, it is about her lies.
I have a feeling this is going to be like when my son died and I was told on here not to be depressing or when Hugh Hefner died and I called him a predator but was told on here I was dancing on his grave. Be careful. That’s all I’m saying. Two broken people with two different explanations.
Wow, I don’t remember either of those things happening. I’m so sorry that happened to you. I don’t think anyone would have a problem with “dancing on Hugh Hefner’s grave. And I am terribly sorry about your son.
Thank you. It means a lot because I didn’t have many ways to express myself especially when my son died. Since telling me to not be so depressing I’ve not commented as often and try to be positive. It is really hard for me to open after noticing all are on one side.
I’m so sorry Jade for the loss of your son ! No one should ever tell you that you are being depressing!
I don’t know if you were commenting on my question about Adam Waldman but I truly would like to hear other’s opinions.
Take care
You are saying that I told you not to be so depressing? I can’t believe I would do that. Have you met me? I am depressing here every day! Hell, I can’t even start a recap most of the time for not whining about myself. That is what we are all here for! I if I said that I apologize PROFUSELY! I am so sorry.
I’m sorry about your son. People heal at their own time and in their own way and I am sorry you were dismissed. I hope you are feeling better.
As for Heff, if you haven’t watched the documentary, “Secrets of Playboy.” You May feel vindicated.
I was most interested in Holly Madison’s story because she used to call him “Puffin” as a pet name. She really wanted his baby. But when she tells her story … chills. So MANY chilling revelations. A couple are truly terrifying.
I didn’t actually need the documentary to feel vindicated since I had a cousin who was a bunny so already knew Hef to be a predator/ pimp. It doesn’t really matter. I was only expressing how I am sometimes on the outs but eventually my thoughts are found to be true.
Jaded, you have been here a long time and I have noticed your absence but sometimes people come and go. I also recall that you often do have opposing views and that is fine. Especially for old timers like you. Sometimes not so much for people posting for the first time with comments like “Teresa Guidice is so smart and classy.” Clearly, I have never sent you to the WLS. It’s hard being in the minority on certain subjects but it happens all the time here.
It’s difficult to be a contrarian on the Internet. ❤
I’ve been missing my favorite contrarian, BeetsWhy for a while. She disagrees with just about EVERYTHING. And she is actually one of my favorites.
Thanks TT. Obviously, I’m fine or I wouldn’t stick around. I’m embarrassed I even brought it up. Thanks again.
I love “our” beets!
Different opinions than mine, but that is fine with me.
Jaded, words can’t express my sympathy for a lost child. I promise you are not the only one struggling with depression here and apologize that you didn’t feel heard. That is awful. Being dismissed feels terrible and I’m sending you healing vibes.
Thank you IJC. I really am okay. After my son died we were able to gain custody of our grandson. He’s a living reminder of my son.
I am so sorry about your son. I have a son in active addiction (not saying that is how you lost yours). I’m always scared to “get that call”. I promise I will hug him tighter for you. I wish I had magic words but I just couldn’t not express my deepest sympathies. ❤️ Sometimes just saying things out loud is a little relief. And Tamara has given us a safe space here.
This is for the discussion up thread regarding the issue of defamation and the accusation that he is the abuser. I’m not an attorney and one could explain this better than I can. But I’ll attempt to explain in the most basic form because it’s actually very complicated. The entire reason it ended up as a civil trial is because the first amendment doesn’t protect speech that is factually untrue defaming another person. The reason it is for a jury to decide is how our system works. The lawyers on each side argue their case. While sn attorney might interpret/manipulate the law to fit their narrative, They are held to a judicial standard to uphold integrity while doing so, regardless if the content of evidence is salacious, etc. in a defamation case, the burden of proof is on the plaintiffs. This was factually and legally JD’s case to win and his burden to prove going in. It’s difficult to prove a negative. After the evidence is presented one assesses if that burden of proof was met. Different people will resonate with one side or the other which is why a jury must be unanimous or hang deadlocked. It becomes a matter of opinion. In my opinion, for instance, I believe that JD side had the facts. It is also true that the law was still on AH side. However, the op-Ed specifically accused him of physical and sexual abuse. An actual crime. But in a civil court/suit, which made the accusations especially egregious. The evidence didn’t prove either OF THOSE TWO THINGS happened, no matter how many times she repeated her allegations. The last count was to whether or not she legally “republished” the article. By her tweeting the link to it AND ADDING WORDS to it in order to reach a new audience, the burden of proof was also met for this count. The other stuff was to confuse as a tactic and it obviously worked on some people. The case was not about verbal abuse or destroyed property. The despair of the attys on her side resorted to trying to confuse to win. It is very rare to have speaking objections during closing arguments and considered bad form. if you recall, there were several side bar objections during the AH sides closings. This is because they were being admonished by the judge during sidebar. They were teetering extremely close to misrepresentation of facts and actual law. This is why each time, Elaine had to reframe the way she said stuff when starting over. They had also mismanaged their time and only had 6 minutes for surrebuttal. It was a slimy, twisty , hurried, frenetic, shitty way of presenting things and jury instruction and I lost any respect for her counsel I had left at that point. It was dangerously close to unethical and they were desperate. I still don’t know how that jury will decide but the last thing they should be worried about is whether or not they trust what the LAWYERS said. It was disgusting imo. They knew they had already lost and I imagine that their case was client driven but they shouldn’t have sunk to her level and I believe their careers will have fallout from that being televised. It grossed me out almost as much as she did when it was over. I’m biased at this point but hopefully it at least sheds some light on the legal process of this shitshow.
Apologies for the walls of words.
Very informative and clarifying. Thank you.
Thank you so much for saying everything I was thinking. In the end, I was yelling at the TV while Elaine was regurgitating Rotten Born’s words and misrepresenting the facts. This has been the best distraction from my real life troubles which I now need to find a new way to deal with (stage 3 breast cancer, finished chemo, had double mastectomy, doing radiation now (burns are horribly painful).
Eve, so sorry for what you have been going through, but it sounds like you have been very brave and strong and are winning the battle. You’re an inspiration and a warrior.
I wish you the best on your journey. You have done so much of the difficult stuff. You’re almost there … rest and recovery.
Please let us know if there is anything I can do. (Not trying to speak for everyone, but you know this group, generous and uplifting.)
Thanks. You all are such a supportive community.
Totally agree Eve the power of distraction is amazing. I’m in same position as you minus the radiation. I’m actually finding it harder now that I’m supposed to return to “normal life” the brain isn’t quite working like it use to. I watched a lady last week who said once your hair grows back you have the misconception that you are “better” and everyone treats you like you are the same but obviously we are not. Anyway you aren’t alone I just wanted you to know that. Yes going to need a new distraction.
This is so informative. Thanks for the clarification on how the process works!
IJC – I finally had a chance to read this thoroughly. Thank you!!! So informative!!!
The one thing about all this is I couldn’t envisage myself glorifying in the hate of someone I had a relationship with. I had some really abusive crap but would I want them to suffer no because that makes me just like them. I’m not a big fan of the American justice system it’s based on money look at OJ and Elon Musk if you’ve got enough you’re untouchable ,
Johnny Depp Performs at Concert in England as He Awaits Verdict in Amber Heard Defamation Trial
Johnny Depp made a surprise appearance playing guitar onstage with Jeff Beck at a concert in England on Sunday