I’m not sure what is going to happen today or when I will be awake to follow the trial but I thought all my Sidebar people would need a fresh thread. I don’t really have anything to add because I haven’t been doing too well. The world is just such a scary and depressing place. I am going back to bed soon and I hope I don’t sleep through too much. Keep me updated please. I love you guys. I’ll be back ASAP. xo ~tt
Hang in there…
ThanknTT – take care and be well – hugs!
So Re the letters Jennifer Howell wrote to Whitney Heard. The jury was able to read but it was not entered as evidence. I’m not sure that makes sense to me.
After an extensive search of the bowels of the internet last night, I found JH’s signed declaration. I did not find the letters in any format that I could view without paying for it, plus I question the authenticity of the places I found them posted. I don’t know if that declaration will be given to the jury. I got the impression that because these documents in totality were procured by Adam (walderman?), that there’s a legal reason this stuff was not covered in open court thus can’t be included in the jury’s stuff? I’m using question marks because I still don’t understand why it all can’t be submitted into the evidence and why she was cut off in her depo. Perhaps it’s considered prejudicial? That said, I think the jury must already be exhausted and on overload so I’m not sure they will be able to connect the dots to infer how damning the info is. I’m just a viewer and I’m out of gas and exhausted too so yeah… I want the lawyers to explain it.
I think today’s supposed to be relatively short. I’m just hoping AH team runs out of time to do surrebuttal. I think they only have maybe an hour left and his side has plenty left. Emily d Baker pointed out that those texts yesterday when JD was on the stand and denied they were him, actually said that they were INCOMING texts but his team didn’t catch that mistake! She said they can only fix that during closing. And the time limit doesn’t count toward closing arguments. That’s evidently been set as 2hours for each side on Friday morning, then jury instructions and they won’t be sequestered for deliberations. If they still have one witness left for JD rebuttal portion and time isn’t issue, idk why they can’t recall JD or someone to clarify those bad texts rottenborn brought in were incoming?!? My brain is tired and hurts lol.
IJC – good points! I don’t understand how jury can supposedly read something but it’s not evidence and I concur that the jury is probably well saturated at this point which is disappointing but expected.
Here is a Reddit Link.
https://www.reddit.com/r/JusticeForJohnnyDepp/comments/ux1l1z/jennifer_howells_email_to_whitney_heard/
It doesn’t cost anything to sign up….
I have a comment waiting moderation. I think its cause I used a link.
Go to Reddit
Type in the Reddit search bar
Jennifer Howell emails and a slew of items will come up.
The first one will show you.
Reddit doesn’t cost anything.
Thanks!
Gotta say I officially can’t stand rottenborn. I understand it’s his job but it’s so not necessary to be such an ass during cross. Plus this guy operated on the fucking finger so what is the point of wasting your precious time trying to impeach the actual surgeon. It’s like they’ve completely lost sight of jury management. What if anything is endearing about Rottenborn? Lol I can totally see him as the type to mansplain to the women on his team.
It’s almost like her team has become as argumentative and nonsensical as their unlikable client by osmosis!
Totally agree!
He is taking the word “defense” to literal heights!
We all know when people are defensive its cause they are wrong.
To be an antagonistic prick shows he is taking some of this personally.
Time management is not their forte that is for sure.
You mean Rotten…Born as JD says!!! Cracks me up
I couldn’t stop laughing at that one…..
It was delivered perfectly!
Amber Heard going back on stand today which means we have another AH vs Camille! Cannot wait!
This will be internet gold.
OMG yessss! Thank you for this! She is incapable of being normal so that should be great right before it goes to jury. Ha!
Exactly!!!! Cannot wait
I am sure these people spent weeks with Amber going over how to respond to questions, which is safe to say, she didn’t and won’t listen to.
She is not able to stop. We can hear it in the audio tapes, she keeps going. She is not able to enable the stop switch until she gets what she needs from any situation.
When she is on the stand or in any of the deposition videos, she is just running her mouth.
I say let her run it…..
Yes!!! Let her go!! I’m here for it!
i think you’re saying she can’t take direction!
How the hell do they even have time left for this? How funny would it be if the judge cut her off mid-sentence or mid fake cry! 😂
I can’t believe they are wasting their time like this. Just wow.
I guess she won’t be called now…. Damn!
And boy has it been great!
I love that they (AH team) keep using the 12 year old L1 guy to question all the tech issues. He clearly has no trial experience. This is the same guy who objected to himself yesterday LOL.
Hope you are feeling better soon, Tamara! I’m
Here we go!!!!!!!!!
Is she on the stand? I’m on CourtTV and they’re behind with all their stupid annoying commercials.
Yes
Ty Nancy!
And sweating bullets, and lying her ass off- as a DA survivor I am Pissed. I could not testify about the abuse I suffered 35 Years ago (and my abuser is dead) without crying. She is a fucking liar. Thanks for all your insight IJC-
Watching it now and I’m Pissed too. As a DV survivor myself, she is making a fucking mockery of actual victims. At this point I fucking hate her lying ass and hope they award him bc he is more believable and consistent with behavior of an actual victim than she is. She triggers me and he doesn’t. Sorry not sorry she’s a lying cunt. And a shitty actress. I even hate her hairstyle today! Grrrr!
Okay sorry I lost my shit. I shouldn’t name call. She really elicits an extremely visceral reaction from me. Like very triggering. I was HEATED. I’m sorry I turned into a momentary troll; no one deserves the death threats etc.she was describing and I don’t wish harm upon her. so I sincerely apologize. (Wish there were a delete button for comments sometimes but I can admit when I’m wrong.) I do not, however, believe her claims.
I think it a reaction many are having. I used visceral in a previous post … because that is the right description. Lashing out and then realizing … went too far. All is good.
The fact that you feel regret is what makes you a decent human being. Crazy Depp fans gross me out but that is on them.
I think many of us can say that on a daily basis we all deal with triggering events and we get through them by how we manage those events. Whether it’s ignoring, use tools given to us by therapists, or other licensed outlets. Self help from books. Etc. It is one thing to have triggering events, it’s another to expect people to cater to bad behavior. I can be sympathetic, empathetic and compassionate to everyone. But when it is shitty and abusive behavior under the guise of triggering event, hard pass, I am out!
I am not saying she doesn’t have triggering events, she probably does.
However, the unspoken rules her friends have to abide by…..Basically handle her with kid gloves.
Meltdowns that people have to deal with.
She is not mentioning at all how she is handling these issues, meltdowns, triggering events, etc.
She is not explaining what behaviors come with these triggering events. Does she lash out? Does she get physical, fight, flight, freeze? Does she shut down? Retreat? Cry? Shake?
She is only stating how everyone has to deal with her inappropriate behavior. Sorry, I am calling it inappropriate behavior cause that is how this is being presented in my opinion.
I am sure she is humiliated, embarrassed and feeling under attack. I am sure people are saying some heinous shit to her. Which to be honest, no one deserves that and we can all agree that no one deserves abuse.
Did anyone see tears?
Feel better TT! We are all here for you.
Well, if she thought he was violent and heard the rumor about Johnny and Kate and stairs, why would she hook up with a guy that is in her mind (also, someone she sort of knew but didn’t know much about) abusive to his partner.
I thought the exact same!!
Ok I was clearly wrong when I read she then was not going to testify again. I ran out for errands and now have to rewind. Argh
Because … he was Johnny Depp! And she wanted her way into that golden life!
I wonder what was going on in the courtroom while Amber was on the stand to make the judge threaten to clear out the courtroom. People must have been talking or “snickering”.
Ok, so am I correct in that what I heard, she dug her own grave (with her own bobby pin I might add)?
She said that the reason she wrote the OP ED piece was because he was receiving all this support? So, she was jealous he was getting all the attention and not her? Am I getting this right?
Hook a girl up!
Yes that’s exactly what I thought!
TT take care of yourself and know that you have a lot of people who care about you and enjoy hearing what you have to say waiting for you when you are able to come back.
It’s ABSOLUTELY telling how survivors just don’t believe her. It is beyond insulting on her part and says just how insensitive she is.
She sure played the game of how she thinks that she is not lying, but in a court of law, it’s not social media and not a game.
I think Camilla sadly seemed frustrated and lowered herself to Ambers level a bit. I’m pretty sure that Amber not really answering the questions, and used the go to Worse statement “put your baby in the microwave” which I doubt the truth of that.
I’m ready for “everyone but you would have had to lie, to make your story believable” Guess tomorrow is going to be great.
Thanks for the information regarding sequestration of the jurors.😊
R.I.P. Ray Liota. Thankfully for his family he passed in his sleep. Best of the worse case when so sudden.💙
Sorry if this was commented on but did you hear her admit she did indeed write the op-Ed bc of JD?!!!! Malice proved IMO! Huge moment!
Omg cannot believe that about Ray Liotta! RIP
HOLD UP!
DID YOU JUST SAY RAY LIOTTA RIP?!
Sadly, yes.
Apologies for the incorrect spelling of his name. Ray Liotta.
So surprised by her admissions to the Op-ed. Isn’t that over and out. Admission of GUILT?
Ray Liotta was working on a movie in the Dominican republic called “DANGEROUS WATERS”
So apparently it was unexpected.
This just tells you how loyal I am to this whole thing. I just walked in from planting, jumped on computer, went straight to TT to get an update and read about Ray Liotta!
A true talent! May he rest peacefully.
Now for more sadness. The teacher who was murdered in Texas, mother of 4 children. Her husband just died of a heart attack.
Gotta send some love and prayers to these people.
I would say yes, admission of guilt. Watching them go through the rules for tomorrow is quite amusing.
I would think it absolutely proves malice!!! I am going to assume (and I’ve been wrong a lot lately) that JD’s lawyers will be hammering that home tomorrow! What a gift
Yes!!! So sad! Died in his sleep in Dominican while filming a movie. He was only 67! That seems too young to me!!
I am 65. Funny how that seems young now. I Loved him, but I am happy he didn’t suffer and went out quick.
Amber absolutely buried herself, see Runkle’s tweets they say it all. Mention It All!! He believes it not if but how much. He said things like “Call the Fairfax PD! I just witnessed a murder!” And “It’s like watching AH nail herself into her coffin.” She Admitted to writing the op-ed piece about JD and that shows malice. Can we expect a verdict tomorrow? That would nicely seal up the weekend for everyone involved. I loved the judge, she was amazing.
Nancy – 57 here so I totally feel the same!!!
I saw Runkle’s tweet and the other two sitting w him. They all seemed stunned. Let’s
Hope it resonates!
I am crying over the Fairfax PD comment.
Pure gold!
No one deserves abuse, we can all agree to that.
However, going back to her testimony. There is a big difference between triggered and abhorrent behavior. There are people who will use bad behavior under the guise of them being triggered.
She speaks of triggers and how rules are set in place and what her friends must abide by and how the crew has to handle her during her meltdowns. Basically, how everyone needs to handle her, kid gloves.
What she doesn’t speak of is how she is handling these triggers, issues, meltdowns. What is happening to her during these events? Is she fight, flight, freeze? Lashing out? Physically abusive? Does she retreat? Break out in a sweat? Shake? Cry? Overwhelming anxiety, nausea? Anyone who is triggered would be able to describe what happens to them. Me, anxiousness and anxiety. Then I get into flight mode, gotta get home! Heart is pounding.
I’m not saying she doesn’t have triggers or bad memories, cause I don’t know and that would be egregiously unfair of me.
I can be empathetic, compassionate and sympathetic to those who have triggers, I get it! I am able to pick up on when someone is just being mean and using it as a guise.
I think those would have been valid questions to ask her.
i don’t get why she has not had an epic meltdown on the stand. being in the witness box has to be intimidating, scary, anxiety-inducing. i don’t get the idea that she is drugging to stay calm in this situation. instead, she is controlling and performing.
I saw that about the teacher’s husband. So devastating!
I just saw that as well. Heartbreaking.
Did Amber say that only her and Johnny ‘s friend Isaac were the only criers? Ummm, still have yet to see her actual shed tears. Hmmm. Another lie that can be proven?
That’s the thing, if I am crying, trust me, everyone would be grossed out by the snot snorting and tissue wiping. Mascara everywhere, the opposing side would be calling “Foundation” as mine is running down my face! I get it, we all cry differently. Her face didn’t get red! When people spoke about her face, they were able to tell she was crying cause it would be all red.
She should have taken crying and mascara lessons from Erika Jayne!
Interesting that the last episode of RHOBH featured an enormous fight around being triggered! And witnessing some cast members there who also have yet to shed actual tears?
On Ray Liotta, Rest In Peace, does anyone else here know of the strange deaths of tourists that have been occurring in the Caribbean? There were two or three just this week. I’ve heard speculation that it might be some strange combination of cleaning products/ fumes, for example? I don’t think there’s been a cause given yet, but he was way too young!
And finally, on AH? This sounds mean, but every time I see her on the stand – and I’m in Australia, so we’re not as saturated here with this trial AND we’ve just had a marginally more positive change in government via election on the weekend – every time I see her, I think ‘pig’. She has a piggy look to her eyes. Not saying she isn’t attractive looking, just that I cannot unsee how porcine she appears!
I hope I haven’t broken any rules with this observation?!
Runkle is hysterical:
“Hello, Fairfax County Police?
“I just witnessed a murder”
I can’t stop laughing over that one!
Very interesting read over on Runkle on Twitter.
There is a court case going on in the UK Coleen Rooney/Rebekah Vardy.
Vardy felt suicidal by the “baby in the microwave” from trolls.
But more importantly, Amber’s SM has been in lockdown mode, can’t send messages or post comments.
Which has people questioning the “hundreds of death threats every day.”that she is receiving.
Things that make you go HMMMMM!
Ok, I am watching Amber’s testimony again.
Amber and her team always made the claim that she didn’t write it about Johnny.
She just said “I know how many people will come out in support of him.” “I know how many people will come out and say whatever for him, that’s his power, that’s why I wrote the OP ED”
“I have seen people do this time and time again, that’s why I wrote the OP ED.”
She just admitted that she wrote it about him or am I wrong?
Also, if someone is pushing my sister down the stairs, I am not thinking of what my husband did prior to our relationship to someone else. I am thinking about saving my sister from falling down the stairs. Also, which is it, was Johnny going to punch Whitney or push her down the stairs? I am listening to this and there are two stories going on.
NO, you are not wrong – she absolutely admitted that is why she wrote the op-ed. Her lawyers must have been pissed!
Her stories have consistently changed many times through the years –
Thank you for that Melcle!
There is so much testimony and rhetoric with Amber, it gets confusing…..
Also, she will vehemently state she is not a victim, but then say she is a victim of DV! Ok, then which is it? I am going with she isn’t one.
This girl is a revolving door of nonsense.
Also, funny to hear how she is an expert on Meta Data and explaining it to the jury.
Oh you didn’t know she was a metadata expert?! Hahahaha! One of the legal guys on Twitter at the trial said the metadata was a disaster for her – that was prob before she admitted she wrote the op-Ed about Johnny…
I finally just read the emails. Omg heartbreaking. I’m disappointed that it was ruled out as hearsay or whatever the reason was. I do hope the jury gets this one right, even if they only award him a dollar. Poor JH, she seems like a gem of a human. For real, I’d love to have a friend like that. Makes me miss my BFF that died a few years ago.
I re-watched her testimony and a few others since today was short but the second time did it on Emily d Bakers YouTube. She was streaming live and commenting in real time on her channel and Runkle joined her once everyone was dismissed. (I didn’t watch her live today). He did go back in for when they argued over jury instructions. Her thing is still posted for today’s. I think I’m going to watch with her tomorrow for closing arguments instead CourtTV which gets super behind.
After reading the emails I now am having sympathy for all of them. It doesn’t change my mind. But it also reinforces that the reason those diagnostic tests limit the scope of abuse to one year is for one reason to separate out childhood trauma and current IPV. Are victims of childhood trauma more likely to pick partners who are abusive? Yes, but it cuts both ways in that many abuse victims grow up to repeat the behavior. It could be argued that both experienced childhood trauma but BIG difference is his ability to be calm, measured and reasonable and able to admit fault. He also seems to be the one doing the cowering. She “owns” nothing. She won’t budge an inch even on the petty stuff. Plus I just think she’s lying for a multitude of reasons.
My two cents after being the asshole earlier lol.
Omg you were NOT Being an asshole earlier!! Stop!
I have been doing Court Tv so will try Emily Baker.
Great points about DV – thank you!
You were Not an asshole earlier IMO. I feel this is resonating because DV was de stigmatized when Nicole Brown was murdered. That’s when I realized truly what had happened to me for almost 3 years. I think you have an amazing legal mind and really enjoy your comments.
Anyone know if TT is ok? I’m worried. I know how she clearly loved her kids, and I believe her journaling system should be mandatory immediately. Especially now. We lost a 14 yr old who was very close to all 3 of my kids to an accidental shooting. It haunts me to this day 💔
Thanks you guys! I feel seen. I just love our group here.
And Nancy, that’s awful. My heart goes out to you all. So heartbreaking. Agree journaling is a good tool-for ALL ages and I need to start doing it again myself. Sometimes I just write stream of consciousness and it lightens the load to just get it out. Hugs of comfort sent! And yes worried about TT. It’s been a lot for her. But I also know she’s very strong. She has not gone completely dark so I think she just needs space and a break-understandably.