Well here is the Erika Girardi news of the day. First of all, Tom is living in the assisted living facility. And the paparazzi caught him leaving for an outing to lunch with (I guess his brother?). Tom looks really bad. His eyes are scary crazy. His demeanor is fine. So the paparazzo asked him if he thought Erika knew about his legal issues. His companion tries to get them to stop filming. And even Eventually Tom says, “I thinks she knew.”
Well of course she knew! There is an entire timeline here showing she was served in May and September of 2020! There is no doubt that she knew. And she discussed some of the lawsuits at a reunion prior to that I believe where she says that a case was dropped and the plaintiff “apologized.” She knew a lot.
The main thing here is that I now believe Tom really does have some dementia issues. He looks like a whole different person. And contrary to what Erika Girardi said on last night’s episode, his family is taking care of him.
Um, WOW.
He may be a scumbag thief-but that is a definite decline and very sad.
There’s no doubt in my mind that Erika knew what was going on and didn’t care. However, from what I read about the pap/Tom confrontation, they initially asked him how he likes his new living arrangements and he said he did. Then they asked him if Erika knew. I think he may have thought they meant did Erika know about where he’s currently living and he said he thought so.
I might have to agree with you. When I first heard this, I thought YES. FINALLY. I wondered why on earth nobody has ASKED HIM about if she knew, did she know, what she knew. Hell, I would ask “Does she know that you were scamming for her glamming??” So when I watched the video…and he says “I think she does” it still sounds like something she can wibble wobble out of. She’ll say that he means “I think she does know now what’s going on.” Still too ambiguous. Also…did you catch that little twinkle and smirk after he said it?
I agree because he used the present tense DOES, not DID.
“I think she does.” meaning she does know something RIGHT NOW.
Obviously if he wanted to say that she KNEW (past tense) about his acts, he would have answered “I think she did.”
There is no sense in saying that today in the present she does know about his actions because everybody knows now. It’s been in newspapers and a documentary has aired.
I really got the impression he was referring to Erika knowing where he lives. They had just asked Tom about his new residence.
Tom was totally thinking the question was about his present living arrangements, because that was the topic they were talking about. And also he said, “I THINK she does” because he doesn’t really know what she knows about where he’s living. If the question had asked whether she knew about the scamming, he wouldn’t have to say “I think”–he would know whether he had told her or not.
I don’t like Erika, but I don’t know whether Erika knew about the scamming or not. Of course, she knew Tom gave her lots of money, but that doesn’t mean she knew whether it was his legitimate cut, or whether he was stealing. He was rich when she met him. But this video is certainly not proof of Tom implicating her, because he was not asked about the scamming.
I agree. I think a lot of things changed when her grandmother died and she became Erika Jayne. That’s when the need for the money really started and he couldn’t say no.
And my father had Alzheimer’s/dementia “The Long Goodbye”. Who abandons their husband because he’s sick? Definitely plan. FWIS
FWIW Jesus.
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I’m still having a hard time believing he has severe dementia. Multiple people have noted that Tom Girardi did in-person and virtual events last year and still appeared sharp. Is it possible he’s deteriorated this rapidly in the past year? Maybe, but Tom’s own credibility is very shot IMHO.
Maybe I’m being too conspiratorial, but I’m thinking Tom knew exactly what he was saying and doing when he said this to paparazzi. He knows he’s going down, and he now knows Erika is willing to throw him under the bus, so why not ensure that she goes down with him?
Yes it is possible for someone to deteriorate from Alzheimer’s/dementia extremely rapidly. My Gram went from sharp as a tack to completely out of it in less than a year. The Alzheimer’s/dementia also seemed to come on out of nowhere. Thinking back though there were times she was forgetful or would zone out, but she was in her late 80s. My Grandfather also went downhill extremely quickly once he got Alzheimer’s/Dementia. Tom looks very out of it in this video. I know he is a jerk, but I wouldn’t wish Alzheimer’s/Dementia on anyone
I think he’s really ill. The last picture with the black eye is when I started to believe he has cognitive issues
Some patients can also tell old stories till the cows come home. My mother can keep the doctors entertained with her old stories & jokes, but my sister and I know the timelines are off and the stories aren’t always her own. I bet Tom could give old speeches no problem. Ask him what he had for breakfast may be another story. Long & short term memory can be 2 totally different ball games.
My mother had Alzheimer’s. Two separate hospitalizations for broken legs within three months and she deteriorated so rapidly that she never came home again. She, who had been a fiend at rehab after past surgeries, whom the physical therapists loved for her willingness to push herself, was unable to follow the simplest directions. She never got out of her wheelchair or her bed again without other people moving her. I saw Tom’s eyes. He’s got that look. He’s Tom Girardi, but a piece of him is missing.
I agree. It is the eyes for me. You can’t fake that empty look.
I’d bet you one zillion billion trillion dollars that i could fake that look. Heck I’d do it for 50.
Sorry but I disagree with you! Two family members have had ” that look” Grandfather that passed & currently my mother. Even sis that died from brain cancer looked blank! Sorry TT I had to comment! Hugs no disrespect on others opinions
Yes i agree and i think he is hurt by the way Erica portrays him on television. That was a threat to her when he lookes straight in to the camera and says, yes i think she did. They are actually good with the to big clothes and no more suits and i believe he is acting demented so he will stay out of jail. He knows exaktly what they are doing because it was probably his own plan and he is trying to scare her to submission for some reason. But i also belive that it has taken a very large toll on both of them but espesielly Mr Tom Girardi that he lost weight and has gotten older. Its to convinient that he all of a sudden has dementia, but they are divorcing and he calls her every day. Why hasnt he forgotten her already if its late dementia? This is a ruse but people are falling for it! Ps sorry for my misspelling im not that educated in the english language.
You English is better than 75% of the commenters here. (Most of those don’t get posted. lol.)
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Actually my grandmother jused to act demented when she didnt want to pay fore something and i was so embaressed but it worked! And who called pagesix for his outing?
Absolutely! My dad had Lewy Body Dementia which takes years to come on but is very fast once it gets to a certain point. He could tell you facts with dates from 40 years or more ago but didn’t remember what he ate for breakfast that day. This man is clearly suffering with dementia. Very sad she continued her ways when she clearly knew he wasn’t well.
Tom, clearly is not the same as we’ve seen him when he’s appeared on the show.
Having said that, this does not look good for Erika.
Its terrible to say
but I believe the dementia and assisted living is staged, 100%, its to get off the hook for 12 years of fraud
hes a EXCELLENT con man, along with his wife.
It could be. It has been done many times in the past. But the look in his eyes says to me that the lights are on and nobody is home.
Yeah, his eyes. He wasn’t with it.
I agree that he seems out of it. No one is saying he isn’t a con man, but he certainly seems to have dementia now. It may be that he wasn’t able to pull the right strings on his ponzi scheme as his mental abilities declined.
That won’t get him off the hook, especially since his brother is the conservator. The courts will aggressively and meticulously analyze every dollar Erika and Tom took in, where it came from and how it was spent.
On another note… it’s been said that Toms financial woes were well known, all the way from CA to NYC for years, he had borrowed millions of dollars from “friends” and associates. There is no way that information never made it back to Erika. No Way.
While we have seen that she sometimes slips up, we know that EVERYTHING Erika says is a set up for something to come. THIS is why she has pushed the diminished mental capacity storyline.
Because SHE KNOWS that HE KNOWS that SHE KNEW about where the funds came from!
She wanted to be proactive in planting the seed that POOR PITIFUL Tom doesn’t understand what he’s saying. That will be her defense against whatever he purposely or accidentally says that implicates her.
She forgets that forensic accountants and paper trails trump “he said, she said.”
I for one am totally buying diminished capacity after this video. So really nothing he said will be considered in a courtroom at all.
But none of that really matters. While I think Erika knew all along and did not care, Tom will not be criminally charged in my opinion due to dementia and therefore is mentally unable to defend himself. Erika on the other hand, could POSSIBLY be charged criminally, but it is the IRS that is going to get her.
Tell it sister!!! 🤗. It’s always the IRS that gets you 💰💵☹️
i hope this happens. If it does, she will join Al Capone in the “death and taxes” catching up when nothing else sticks.
In California, the Franchise Tax Board is even more aggressive than the IRS!
I actually think, based on her behavior on the show, that she may trying to pull a fast one as well. Such as she’s not well, etc because of the monotone, etc. I’m not saying anyone is buying but it may be a set up.
I also thought he looked bad in the video, Tamara.
I think Dorit is dumber than I thought, and I always thought she was a silly goose.
And there has GOT to be something Erika has on Rinna because I see no reason to be so loyal that you defend the indefensible.
I am flabbergasted that those women are so afraid of Erika. Seriously, what is she going to do to them? Yell at them? That’s why they’re afraid of her? She’s really dreadful and behaves so badly on TV, that that’s why I believe it’s a set up of some kind.
Exactly
Wow. He doesn’t look very good. To me, he looks confused.
Yeah, it doesn’t look like an act to me. Maybe I’m gullible? But he doesn’t appear to be cognizant and has aged twenty years since we saw him on the show.
I wonder about what medications they’ve got him on too.
Or knowing all of your skeletons are out of the closet, you owe more 100 million dollars, and you have basically lost everything will definitely age and do a number on you physically and mentally.
She made demands on him and didn’t care how he got the money! I would bet she talked to him and threatened him just like she did to Sutton!
They both need to pay the victims ALL of their restitution. Not sorry, it’s easy to take a hard line here.
Although they both disgust me, I felt a little sad watching Tom go out like this. Storied career & bountiful fortune to disgraced, disbarred & alleged swindler.
If he’s really suffering from dementia, it’s too bad his actions prevent him from dealing with it in private.
I think we all get wrapped up in the Erin Brockovich (sp?) version of who we think Tom is/was. He was not the attorney featured in that movie. I (maybe only me) believed that was who he was intended to be depicted as (aka I thought that attorney actor in that movie was Tom Girardi with a different name). I barely remembered the other attorneys coming in on that lawsuit until I saw clips recently. So anyway, my point is that Tom being touted as ‘the attorney from Erin Brockovich fame is not completely accurate IMO
Having said that.. he was a powerful and engaging man/attorney – a thief and con man as well. After viewing that video, he’s either an excellent actor or he has substantially declined.
The actor that play Girardi was Peter Coyote. He was lead counsel for the bigger law firm they brought in to help with the lawsuit. Not the guy who was Erin’s boss played by Edward Masry.
Yeah, I’m not sure why I didn’t know that until I really paid attention. Every time I heard ‘the lawyer from Erin Brockovich fame’ I assumed it was the main character/lawyer/boss. I was wrong 🙂 Knowing that now though… Tom Girardi wasn’t ‘the lawyer’ from that movie so I’ve often wondered who styled him that way. Was it him? I’d bet it was and I’d bet he intended to have people fooled as to his part in that movie so he could get more and more clients (and fame)
I thought that all along until this started breaking loose. When I googled the movie a couple months back is when I finally grasped who portrayed TG.
I think Tom is sly as a fox. He’s an intelligent and ruthless litigator. He’ll do whatever it takes to win, but what’s most appalling is that he has no moral compass. If he’s soulless enough to steal money from his trusting clients, he is certainly capable of using the bogus dementia defense.
Never mind what Erika “knew”, let’s focus on what she knows now. She knows where hubby hid the stolen money, monies that will keep her in the style she’s accustomed to. They are both crooks.
Totally agree. He’s not fool and definitely not demented. The legal community that he has been a part of for decades is the same community that will continue to let him get away with this….using staged photos to justify going easy on him.
And they always appear the day after RHOBH airs…
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As a viewer from England and don’t know anything at all about the USA laws, I can’t help but feel nothing but contempt for Erika.
She feels pity for the victims of their deception but only when put under the spotlight. The girl sincerely has no remorse
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And not enough to repay them. She’s a POS.
I have zero doubt he’s got Alzheimer’s or dementia. He was clearly confused by the question at first and possibly doesn’t always know who Erika even is. He didn’t seem to know what he was answering. The pre-diminished mental health Tom would have fired back with “Knew what?” He was a shrewd lawyer and didn’t suffer fools easily. No way he would have answered that question without seeking clarification first.
As to whether or not EJ knew – I doubt it. He controlled everything in that marriage. She called him The Boss. She couldn’t get any repairs done without his permission. She had to behave a certain way in his presence as Mrs Girardi. Couldn’t speak for or over him, not allowed to interrupt him, definitely not allowed to swear. Also, it’s HIGHLY unlikely he shared any of what he was up to financially.
She’s behaving like a human being whose life has been turned upside down several times over. She’s she’ll-shocked. And given she can’t lash out at Tom for what he’s done to ruin so many peoples lives, it’s no surprise she’s lashing out at others. She’s being attacked left, right and centre. Put yourself in her shoes and consider how YOU might behave if you were in the firing line for your ex’s criminal actions. I’m not defending her either, but I totally understand why she’s reacting this way.
All that being said, what’s REALLY disappointing is to see that question was asked in the first place when he’s clearly muddled. The way he walked and his entire demeanour shows he’s got limited mental capacity.
If I put myself I would be mortified. I was immediately turn over all stolen funds. I would show remorse for the victims. I would be crying to my “friends” and not threatening them for asking basic questions. I would be visiting my soon to be ex-husband and assisting with his care. None of these things that Erika are doing makes her look in any way innocent or remorseful.
Yep! But why do these housewives kiss her ass? She has always been a hard, cold mercenary kind of gal. And frankly her excessive lifestyle was conspicuously distasteful particularly in light of its provenance. She might not know line item details of Tom’s fraud but checks from his company should not be paying for the largesse of her production team. Especially to the tune of $25 million. I never understood why people admired her so much. She can put on a performance but she can’t fake basic empathy. The empress has no clothes.
Nice try Erika …
TT, I’m not buying Tom’s decline, dementia….it’s the long game he is playing.
Yes, he looks old, somewhat frail—- but he is playing this like a fiddle. I’m sure Ericka’s mention of a TBI ( which can definitely cause change in mental status- cognitive impairment) on the show will be mentioned in court and this photo of Tom will be part of the “proof”.
He’s lost weight and looks frumpy– just in time for paparazzi..just like Ericka’s TJ Max pictures..
I’m sure the judicial community will have sympathy for him and he got away with his shenanigans for years…..He knows his audience– he’s played them for years already.
This is staged. No one knows where he’s at except that it wasn’t where the last photo op was taken. How did the paps find him if someone didn’t call and let them know? I can’t imagine it’s a lucrative gig to stake out all assisted living facilities on the off chance of seeing someone the world is interested in.
As well as the guy that cuts in front of the camera – if he was seriously trying to stop the interaction he wouldn’t have left such a long gap allowing Tom to respond. Very orchestrated IMO.
He (Tom) has had eye surgery for glaucoma so that may explain the vision issues but he didn’t strike me as particularly confused. Definitely looks like the wind has been taken out of his sails tho.
Does anyone remember the mob boss that faked dementia for years to get of prosecution? He would walk around in bathrobes and be pushed in a wheel chair. I would not put it past Tom to pull the same game. There have been others that have also played the diminished capacity card. It may be true but I just done buy it.
I almost hate to ask this, but has anybody thought maybe she knew his mind was going and used this to set herself up financially or something. Would also explain why if he really hurt his head in an accident, she wouldn’t want them to do surgery. Cognitive tests after would show his.mind was going and put a stop to the plan.
Ooo – I like this theory. Makes a lot of sense to me! Surgery or no surgery, if he had dementia starting, she could easily have set up documents for him to sign. Some people get more paranoid with dementia, but when my mother-in-law had dementia, she became more docile and trusting. I think part of it had to do with not having the mental capacity to argue… it was easier for her to just say okay to things because she knew she was safe with us. Hers was not Alzheimers as far as we know, it was vascular dementia and progressed very quickly.
Yeah, his eyes. He wasn’t with it.
What I am curious about is even if Erika knew all along, opinions vary, what was she supposed to do? He had been reported to the bar repeatedly by victims and the bar did nothing. He had an office full of lawyers who also likely knew and they did nothing. Why is it only Erika being held accountable in everyone’s eyes as “she knew she should have done something”. When the bar looked the other way, when the lawyers working with him, for him and making bank from his fraud knew and looked the other way, what does the public think Erika could have done that would have made any difference? Report him to the bar? Lots of people did that to have nothing done about it.
Good point. There’s no way that many others didn’t know. A secretary would know.
Erika is out here saying she doesn’t give a f. She is still flaunting her “wealth” on RHOBH. While the rest of aside from Tom are keeping their mouth shut. That is why Erika is center in all the hate. You know what she deserves it all. The real victims needed that money for ongoing health issues. Whose paying for that? So F Erika!
If she knew it all along then she shouldn’t have spend millions on a phony music career that the law firm paid the bills for. Have you seen the list of bills for the 25M?
Whether she knew or not, she had a “business” that she allowed another business pay the bills for it.
She is on the show telling stories and people are reacting to them. Many of her stories don’t add up. This is why she is getting the heat.
She is also in a marriage for 22 years, and even though she “left” him, as the spouse she is still responsible for the debt that occurred during that marriage.
Lawyers don’t make THAT much money. It is also not ethical to take 25 million from a law firm to pay fir his wife’s unpaid career. She knew how much money his firm paid her – an exorbitant breach of ethics. She didn’t care. I would not be surprised if she enjoyed being the wife of someone who seemed untouchable. She is not stupid. She might not have known explicitly but she knew it wasn’t kosher. Maybe she can’t say much right now but she has not expressed empathy toward anyone. Her currency is cash not compassion.
It doesn’t matter (to me) what Erika knew. That is not the point. When Ruth Madoff learned of her husband’s misdeeds, she was Horrified. She handed over her jewelry. She kept only what was allowed (about 2 million, I think.) Instead of supporting her husband’s actions, she said he was where he was supposed to be- In prison.
Her daughter in law pleaded for a name change because she and her young children were being threatened and harassed.
This is normal behavior based on facts and circumstance. The way Erika is behaving is not normal and she acts entitled on a sinister level.
I think most of us agree that Erika’s behavior is despicable. At the very least, in the last several years she was made aware of the lawsuits and that money was misappropriated. Yet, she continued to spend lavishly and brag about it. As far as her appearance on RHOBH this season, that was predictable. She may have realized she will lose all her money and she needs to make a living. Both Production and Erika know her storyline will attract viewers. She also mistakenly gambled on spinning her tales in order to turn the legal cases in her favor. I wonder how long these court cases will drag on. I am getting tired of her and her narrative.
I think it will come down to, whether he is or isn’t having the health issues, the money ain’t hers for the keeping. There is no way that when this is sorted out (which can’t come quick enough) that she should be living anywhere close to the lifestyle she has been. Dorit seems to be okay with houseguests (Boy George) so maybe Erika can crash on her couch
I feel if he was really in the throws of dementia why would she give up on him now? If he didnt do what he did or if he didnt get caught then she would be in for a whole whack of cash if she stayed and looked after him. Shes all about the money and Im sure thats why she married him in the first place. Why leave him when hes got one foot in the grave and she could be first in line with her hand out? She KNOWS and KNEW it was a sinking ship and she jumped off before it went under. I work with dementia patients in all stages and I dont think he has it. I think all this stealing over the years has been super stressful for him and when he got caught it all went downhill from there. Losing everything including his social stature, his career, his wife and all his money just aged him, plus hes putting on a good show 🙂
Kemper, I am curious if you watched the video.
I am wondering in Tom had previously had Covid. I just left an Alzheimer’s Conference and the speaker is a well-known author and authority from the research center. He said that there can not only be aresidual ” brain fog” from Covid but that it can also accelerate Alzheimer’s disease very quickly.
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of course she knew. I found it very telling that on Erika’s first season of RHOBH, Erika was bragging about all the time and flew the girls on Girardi private jet. Every season after, flying on Girardi private jets was noticeably absent to me. You don’t go from flying on “your” private jets all the time to never, and not go, hey what happened to our private jets. I also believe Tom’s response was she, Erika, knows now, not that it was an admission that she knew the whole time. I don’t believe that Tom has dementia or alzheimers. He simply looks old. He looks like he’s finally been caught and is now a shell of a man.
Okay… I have to say that I too now think that he MAY actually have some dementia going on. I’m open to the possibility that is. Prior to seeing this I thought he was 100% full of shit.
As much as I wish that this was some sort of smoking gun, I agree with many others in that I don’t think he understood the question. I think he either meant did she know that he’s in the facility, or does she know that he’s/they’re in legal trouble NOW. I don’t think that there’s a snowball’s chance in Hell that this will be admissable at all, even if they don’t buy the dementia, due to his wording, and the asking if more than one question. They can definitely say that he was talking about the facility at the very least.