Yeah y’all so sorry for the lack of RHOBH recap last night. I’ve been sleeping A LOT. Like a lot a lot I did roll over to check the DVR and see what I was supposed to be recapping and RHOBH was not there. If I don’ go through my recordings every day and get them in order, this is what happens. So I am watching on demand now and can’t pause for for long.
So far Sutton is the first to want to distance herself from Erika. Because she is the only one with a brain and a reputation. It has not been shown on this show how significant Sutton actually is in the charity world. Sutton has a reputation to maintain and probably should not have gone on this show in the first place. Crystal and Garcelle are also questioning. They finally start to understand that the accident with the broken ankle is not the “dementia excuse.” However, this whole Fox Force Five shit came WELL after this was filmed. So what is up with that shit? Sutton pulls out receipts.
Merry Christmas?
This whole episode seems bizarre to me because of the FFF crap later where they seem to be supporting Erika AFTER THEY KNEW “EVERYTHING.” Sutton is really smart for distancing herself from this crap. I would not be surprised if she quit filming the season. In other news, it’s Christmas and Garcelle is having a Haitian Christmas. I love her family. It’s so cute.
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Everyone heads over to Kyle’s place for Christmas. Kyle’s family is already in Aspen where they spend real Christmas. But the point of this fake Christmas is to find out what Erika knows. I am SHOCKED that Teddi is there. It does kind of make it real though since Kyle and Teddi are close. Of course Erika dramatically arrives last. Why is Erika driving a production car? Nothing she does makes sense. I guess she is watching her drinking on camera so she doesn’t slip up but she has already said too much. I predict this will not go well.
Awkward!
Dinner is already awkward. Garcelle doesn’t even approach Erika after the situation in La Quinta. Kyle tries to tell everyone she cooked dinner. Please ignore the 13 chefs in the kitchen. At dinner Erika says says that there is even more coming out. Sutton suggests that Erika could have information before it hits the press. Everyone threw Sutton on the bus. Eventually, people come clean about getting legal advice on their situation. FINALLY, they bring up that $20 million was in her LLC. Garcelle is not buying this either. Neither is Sutton. Erika says that she didn’t know she had $20 million in her LLC. LOL. Now the ladies are asking about where the $80 million went. Dorit is fake supporting Erika to her face. Garcelle says if what Tom did was true, the fuck Tom. Guess What? It was true. And it went on for DECADES.
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Erika says that if what is alleged is true it is awful. But, she has no idea what happened. She has no idea what happened to all the money. She’s lying. She finally acknowledges the victims. Erika says she appreciates those who still want to be her friends. And for those that don’t she understands. Sutton accuses Dorit for throwing her on under the bus with Erika. Erika leaves first. Next week, Garcelle is over all the RHOBH.
This episode was so good! Sutton and Garcelle are the only rational women on the show who have working brains because no one was as reasonable as them in understanding this mess. Where’s the money? Tom blew the money on Erika’s music career. He paid for recording the songs, music videos, glam squad, costumes, tours, and marketing. That’s where the money went. Erika can’t sit there and pretend the money meant for widows and orphans wasn’t funneled to her llc. Erika knows where the money went. This is why she is in this legal mess.
I think the “threatening” scenes are coming. My other question would be…you have a business manager and still claim to have no access to “the books”. Doesn’t make the least bit of sense. Give me a break…talk about a COWARD.
And she also had money to leave, rent the $9,000 a month bungalow and buy a Range Rover. She knew about those finances and how to pay her business team, assitant and glam. So how does she not know about her LLC
Right, she had plenty of disposable income. I don’t believe for a second she accepted the money and never questioned the origins. Now she’s wondering where the money went as if she doesn’t want to acknowledge he spent all the widows and orphans settlement money on her. The money’s gone. Her career swallowed it up.
If everyone hates all the franchises of the Housewives why are they watching and commenting. I am still entertained by them and if not would stop watching.
There is too much logic in that statement! 😉
Yes! So true! They all have flaws and make mistakes. Some worse than others of course. But, it’s a show. It’s over the top crazy and just an entirely different world than mine here in central Jersey. So, it entertains me.
I am not glued to the tv necessarily but I like the whole scene. The banter, the clothes, I love Kyles house, watching them on glamorous trips and fancy restaurants. It’s an escape. Same with Captain Sandy and Captain Lee. Neither are my idea of perfect but who is. Perfect would be bland.
Then I love reading recaps and all of the comments to see how others perceive the shenanigans. Different takes and opinions are interesting to me.
OK, Sutton was completely thrown under the bus. She is wise to question the stories Erika is telling; she is wise to try to protect herself. Garcielle is also smart to try to find out the truth Dorit is a coward, Kyle is a coward, Rinna is just a cunt. Miss “I Need To Know The Truth” is not questioning ANYTHING Erika says. I DO believe there is a money connection between E & R. And you cannot convince me that if this was reversed Erika would not be questioning things in the same way that Sutton is now. Look how they all heckled & jeckled “puppy gate” & Denise which were totally stupid. The Erika/Tom thing is SERIOUS! I believe in supporting friends but if it comes down to saving you or saving me, I’m picking me every time.
I’m glad someone else feels about Rinna like that….most ppl here fawn over her. Ugh
I always found Lisa Rinna to be gross. Especially her phony cackling and clapping. It’s obvious she tries her best to seem genuine even when she speaks to her husband, mother and daughters. I think the only time she seems her realist is when she was on the attack. You can hear it in her tone. Or when she sees paparazzi. Her excitement got real then too.
Rinna…the truth seeking, shit stirrer had NOTHING to ask? EJ has a business manager she pays…so um pick up the phone? If nothing else, EJ is a bad liar.
Rinna Rinna Rinna if only she was deposed, maybe that would shut her up. BTW what a feast yummo!!!!!
I read Rinna is getting a lawyer’s letter from Ronald Richards where she has to swear under the penalty of perjury that she has no information in support of Erika’s “innocence,” or rather information confirming Erika’s knowledge of Tom’s conduct, and she has to indicate all statements she made on the show were mere puffing, or else she will be deposed as a fact witness. Sutton was right to worry is what I love about that!!
It doesn’t bother Rinna at all that for months and months Erika has known that her life was funded from stolen funds and has done nothing to pay back even one cent! That’s a tell.
I find her to be a washed up fame ho.shes ways attempting to grab the spot light and she has no talent
Yes! Garcelle and Sutton are so smart. I had a work friend who as it turned out was a major drug dealer (as in sent to federal prison for a decade) and I was freaked out. And that’s what these girls are mostly is work friends. I realize some have deeper connections but oof. And poor Sutton being thrown under the bus by Dorit (“Sutton thought we should talk”). I mean I know when EJ flips out she can be intimidating but couldn’t they say “wow these allegations are shocking and as your friends we believe you had no knowledge of his alleged activities but we want to say we support you as a friend but we can’t condone what he’s done”. Though honestly she’s not even much of a friend to any of them, she turns on a dime, she’s been cruel.
I just personally have a real problem with the fact that since she joined the show she’s bragged about her intellect and now she pretends she didn’t know how to go to a bank. I can understand not sharing about a marriage arrangement or whatever but the other stuff….just plain doesn’t add up.
And you’re 100% right they were so fixated on the Denise thing, that honestly is no ones business but a federal crime suddenly they’re all “oh we gotta blindly support our friend”. Makes no sense.
Erika’s storyline is front and center. Production is doing a good job of protecting her, as they did with the Gudices. Those two hung on for many seasons while they slowly tanked. Viewers love the controversy. No one who is truly intelligent makes the decisions that EJ has. Be like Sutton, she has the most active brain sells of the franchise. Rinna is a D lister who is hanging on by a thread. HH is her saviour, she is right to kiss his posterior, EJ will stab her on the way out the door.
I’ve been very open to the possibility the EJ really knew nothing of Tom embezzlement’s….after watching last night I’m starting question what she knows and doesn’t know. And we do know that at this filming, she had already been subpoenaed twice so. I also agree with G, why isn’t she furious with Tom? So much collusion going on…and if that’s what “frozen assets” looks like….good lord. Glam Squad still on the payroll it seems.
It is curious that she isn’t furious with Tom. And also curious that she is still spending on glam when the legal bills are through the roof while the known money is supposedly frozen. She is trying to make it seem like she is doing her own glam but it’s obvious a team is just paring it down. Even her pony tail for that mascara streaming scene with Kyle at the park was turned out for camera. She is calculating everything. She shows no fury for Tom but rage for Sutton and Garcelle. Curious indeed.
Agreed! It is infuriating that she has no anger at what her husband did to those victims. She definitely sounds like a mob wife. She just really doesn’t seem to care, not many F’s does she give.
She shows rage for Sutton and Garcelle because she knows they know, and they know that she knows they know.
They are receiving what is called narcissistic rage. It’s real, and it’s Erika.
I dont think it matters whether Erika knew or not. We know Erika has known for months and months that her life was funded by stolen funds from innocent victims and that she has not paid back a cent. She’s spent millions of dollars on herself that was supposed to be used for the care of burn victims and cancer patients and she’s made no plan or arrangement for how she intends to pay back the victims. In fact, she’s stood in the way of the investigation. What she’s doing right now is worse than anything she might have done before Tom was disbarred. She’s a wicked monster.
Thank heavens Sutton has the courage of her convictions as does Garcelle. No one here is surprised that Dorit was so “supportive” of Erika. Like Erika, she is a lying liar who lies.
But like you , TT, I don’t get the FF5 either. Erika must have dirt on them. Birds of a feather…
what surprised me is that Bravo didn’t show Erika threatening Sutton like they showed in earlier previews. Just a guess on my part but could it be because Erika’s lawyers said something to Bravo? Or, hahaha, was itbecause Bravo has no courage to actually show that Erika has not changed at all… because last week wasn’t as bad as when they were in Hong Kong and she went off. Also, her mascara didn’t run then.
So good on Sutton and Garcelle and no surprise about the others. Rinna showed her colors long ago. That whole own it schtick was just that-aschtick. She wanted to be on the show and would do anything to be on it.
The threat is later. You can see in the previews for that scene, they have different styles on from last night.
I am LIVING for Sutton and Garcelle. Erika’s “sympathy” for the victims was emotionless, hollow, and insincere. She *may* not have none that Tom was stiffing clients, then where is her outrage towards Tom? That’s what makes her so disgusting- she is completely focused on the “me”.
Garcelle and Sutton don’t NEED anything from these women, hence the honesty. They have $ that they alone are control of, unlike the others.
I haven’t watched all season so I watched last night. Erika is like a shell talking . Oh please Dorit. Didn’t Dorit’s husband have financial issues in England ? Good for Sutton but these girls will never have her back. Kyle’s table looked beautiful but this show will probably end like Dallas.
I can guess Kyle is coming out with a cookbook?
Her famous lasagna, thanksgiving dinner?
I am over Erika getting all the show. Let’s move on.
I think l have seen enough. It is getting a little old.AFTER this episode.😊
Erika knew. The scamming began 20 yrs ago, after Erika was in Tom’s life. I am also going to believe her about Tom’s mental state. That means is was HER in control. Somebody with early onset dementia is easy to confuse. There is no way she got millions of dollars dumped into her businesses and never went to a bank.
I am so here for Garcelle telling Dorit to go F herself!! Yes!!
I feel bad for Sutton who probably is not going to handle the FFF gang up that’s coming.
FFF Stands for ?
FabFitFun!! Lol.
Here, it’s Fox Force Five. That’s what Kyle, Rinna, Dorit, Erika and Teddy named themselves.
Not very original, that’s the “news” show that Alexis from OC was on.
It’s also the name of the failed TV pilot that Mia Wallace (Uma Thurman) filmed; she tells Vincent (John Travolta) about it over dinner in “Pulp Fiction”. Quentin Tarantino then used it as inspiration for “Kill Bill Vols. I and II”.
Krista, I agree with you…I think this all started when Erika found Tom. I bet it was easy to get Tom swayed then as I am betting he had early onset dementia then. My mom was experiencing signs 25 years before she was diagnosed officially.
Even if she didn’t know she knows now and she’s fighting to hang on to all her stuff. If she had any real concern for the victims she was selling as much as she could
Yes, exactly. That’s one of the things that bothered me.
If she truly didn’t know then, she knows now.
Why isn’t she horrified by all this coming out?
Why isn’t she pissed at Tom?
I’ve always been a big fan of Rinna. I’ve loved her since Melrose Place.
No longer. She knows where the bodies are buried.
Erika is going to jail.
BTW, there is no such thing as ‘Innocence until proven guilty’ in a civil trial. It doesn’t work that way.
I think of Toms dementia is really true then the only explanation is that Erika masterminded the whole thing. Stealing the money giving it to her company. Right now she id focused on protecting herself and throwing Tom under the bus. Erika took the money planned the whole escapade. She is also keeping everything.
I think she is calculated smart and very astute. This poor me I didn’t know anything makes no sense.
I also wanted to say if the situation was reversed Erika would have immediately consulted with lawyers. So maybe Erika let’s calm the moral outrage.
She got Tom on the phone to help Denise. Wait wasn’t he demented then?
LOL good point about her calling Tom for Denise
What an uncomfortable dinner! Sutton speaking up for a lot of us there, she is great.
This is totally off the Erika topic but does anyone else notice how much Kathy resembles Caitlyn Jenner? Do they have the same plastic surgeon? They could be twins!
Yes! I noticed that right away!
I posted about that several weeks ago and no one responded so I thought I was the only one. YES! It makes me confused sometimes.
Yes! So funny, I thought the same as well. These people don’t realize how ridiculous they look. At fifty something you’re supposed to have a few wrinkles. Her face looks so shellacked, like the top coat of my nail polish!!!
Yes!! I was wracking my brain over the last several episodes trying to figure out who KH resembles and then I suddenly realised it was Caitlyn Jenner! Even the way they speak it’s uncanny
My boyfriend and I thought the same thing but my 12 yr old said I was being transphobic by saying that? Idk. Gen Z is annoying.
Madis, okay, That made me laugh 😂!! Omg, Gen Z are the pc police!! Lol
“Gen Z is annoying.” Ain’t that the truth!!! My kids are schooling me on everything.
I didn’t notice the similarities, but I thought she looked terribly old for the first time. The plastic surgery did her no favors. She’s not really attractive anymore, to me at least. It’s a weird “void” look.
I loved Haitian Christmas at Garcelle’s. The food looked delicious and her family is fun to watch. There have been moments when I haven’t cared much for Sutton, but she’s truly won me over. She, Garcelle & Crystal can tell how smelly Erika’s stories are and will stand their ground. Rinna bringing up Denise was deflection pure & simple. She’s so far up Erika’s ass I’m not sure if she’ll ever seen sunlight again. That doesn’t seem like loyalty — it seems more like someone who has financial ties to Erika. Kyle hates conflict of any kind so she backed down pretty quickly. Dorit is an idiot with scams in her past so she backed down. I’m not sure Kathy even knew what was going on. Listening to Erika’s monotone voice gave me the creeps. She’s playing the victim when there are real victims she should be worrying about.
I was trying to find a way to describe Erika’s voice and you nailed it – creepy monotone is right! She’s either doing that or bare-teeth snarling like a rabid dog. Both voices are ways to try and control the person (ie scare them into no longer wanting to question what’s happening.) I’ve just never been a fan of Sutton but I feel so bad for her about being spoken to that way. Like people have said…nobody seriously wants to question Erika about THIS, but, will question and dwell on other very little and minor issues?
You’re right about that. This group loves to beat dead horses (panti-gate, puppy-gate, Denise & Brandi, etc.) but when something comes up concerning Erika they turn into cowards. I’m pretty sure Sutton will do something in the coming weeks that will make me not care for her again, but for now she’s one of the few women on the show that seems to have functioning brain cells when it comes to this situation. Bare teeth snarling is a great description for Erika’s behavior when someone questions her & she doesn’t like the question.
I read somewhere that sociopaths/psychopaths, people with anti-social personality, typically criminals tend to possess attributes like the monotone voice, where they seem to feel nothing, where normal people would be hysterical in the same setting. Erika really feels nothing for any of the victims, it’s all about herself and the direction her life is now moving. The only emotion she ever showed was extreme anger and rage misdirected, esp that time at Eilleen. She’s a wicked witch.
You are exaclty on point with this. I was thinking the same thing. The tone of her voice when she was speaking about the victims was so cold and emotionless. Oh she’s sorry alright, sorry that they got caught. It’s obvious she could care less about the victims. She’s delusional if she thinks they way she is behaving will win her support. If anything, it’s convinced a lot of us of her guilt. She really is wicked.
After watching last night episode I think that Tom used Erika as a screen to hide 80 plus million dollars behind. We are all assuming most of the money went to pay for their lifestyle/music career, but I think Tom is not a fool and used her LLCs to hide some money. Everybody is saying yeah he used the money to pay for glam squad, ugly tracksuits etc, but he hid assets even from Erika. I would also check out the mistress’ finances as well. Erika was duped, but not in the way we would assume. She is probably going like wait a minute if there is 80 million dollar missing, how come I only have 20 million? The con artist (Erika) got conned by the master con artist (Tom) Dorit, Kyle are just blabbering idiots without a backbone who just follow the herd or a perceived leader. Kathy is in another universe altogether where these type of situations cannot even reach her. Sutton, Garcelle and Krystal seem to have a clear grasp of the situation. Rinna is a cucaracha who will survive this and rise her head again with the same hairstyle. I just have two questions: what was Teddi doing there? And where were Faye Rensick and Camille Grammer?
I’m thinking there are a lot of accurate points made by you, and I like your handle as well. 🙂
Thank you!!
Where oh where are Camille and Faye???? I agree. We need some truth. I’d even take Brandi at this point…
Brandi was on the after show with Porsha and Giselle. After the shock of her face wore off, they were all giving Sutton a hard time for not sticking up for her friend 🤪 Sutton has more brain cells on her pinkie nail than those three put together after a Prevagen only regimen.
That was exactly my take on Brandi’s appearance on the show. She seems squarely on Erika’s side. She’s still attacking Denise. I’d be happy never seeing Brandi on another show but she keeps showing up in one way or another.
Brandi threw shade. She said she thinks Erika knew. “Girardi or Jayne”. She was calling her split personality.
As far as the other 2, Sutton and Erika are co-workers, not friends. If this was happening on one of their shows, they’d set Erika on fire.
I loved Garcelle’s Haitian Christmas and I’m glad something happy was inserted into this episode because Kyle’s dinner party was awkward to watch so I can only imagine what it was like to be there in person.
I applaud Garcelle for not even going near Ericka because she did not deserve Ericka’s nasty outburst in Palm Springs
Sutton and Garcelle have asked the questions all of other women have but are too coward to ask.
Kathy is wisely keeping her distance from the Ericka situation and Crystal appears to be following her lead.
The Fox Force Five nonsense will not achieve what they hope
Garcelle’s description of Teddi as an annoying gnat is spot on.
How different things would be if Erika was sitting there saying” omg, as SOON as I heard what going on, I divorced that man I didn’t know, got a plan to liquidate my personal belongings, and got started on repaying these poor victims and families ”
Hunh.
Perhaps being in the midst of so called music carrer & filming she didn’t want to lose her diamond or the money! “PRETEND AMNESIA” LOL
LOL. I just think that she could have doubled her so called desire for fame had she stepped up.
We would have been praising that she is such a fine person and admire her.
Geez, the only reality criminal I have respect for is Abby Lee Miller. She took responsibility and sadly got cancer!!
I have a lot more admiration for her.😊
Long live Abby Lee!
The whole FFF is a joke. Will they be front and center in the court room to support EJ, are they that desperate for attention and publicity? EJs cold and monotone responses speaks volumes, but what struck me most was her “if” this happened statement. G said it best, where is the outrage at Tom? EJ knew something, to what extent we may never know.
Couple of things….ONE….I LOVED watching Garcelle and her family at Haitian Christmas. I think Wendy (on RHOP), should show us more Nigerian culture in that way. With THAT being said, someone said in an earlier comment that Erika must have something on Dorit, Kyle and Rinna, (though it’s already been said that Erika invested in Rinna’s lipstick business). Because at this juncture, it’s obvious that Erika knew SOMETHING. Their continued support of her is starting to look like some type of collusion to me. “Investing” money in your friend’s ventures could be ONE way of hiding it from……nevermind, that’s just my prosecutor’s mind thinking out loud. ANYWAY, they better check themselves because at this point they’re looking as shady as EJ. Lastly, I CAN’T WAIT to see Garcelle show them a little bit about trying to f*** over a Haitian next week. They’re going to see another side of her. It’s going to be DELICIOUS.
I am living for Garcelle telling them to eff off. I mean, they are taking the side of their friend, Erika, but they don’t need to accuse each other of what ALL of them with any brains (ie not Rinna or Dorit) think Erika knows SOMETHING.
Erika has lied and lied, so why would she tell the truth now? She wouldn’t.
She acts like she is heavily medicated. She wouldn’t drink which makes sense if she is taking Valium or Xanax.
Next week should be good!
I think Erika’s concern for the victims is BS.
She is clearly spewing the “head injury “ narrative that Tom and his legal team have told her to impart.
She’s very well rehearsed.
Remember, she was married to this crook for a long time and she was well aware how ruthless and cutthroat he was. His arrogance had no bounds.
With that said, if she really wants these victims to get their due she shouldn’t be assisting the very people who stole their money.
I don’t believe for one minute that all that money is gone.
Tom underestimated his victims by believing he was smarter than them.
I know it’s not popular, but I’ve always loved Kyle. However, I’m not liking the support of the crooked cunt. Yes, we are supposed to support friends, but that is when they “own it” as Rinna always demands. Erika can’t keep her stories straight.
Erika is acting like she did not have access to anything. This woman had a daily glam squad, clothes, travel, jewelry, bags. You just don’t shop and spend like that, then cry that you did not have access to any money to speak of. So which is it??? Tom took a hands on approach and saw to every purchase made, every need & want, or she was so hurt by the man who didn’t talk to her, didn’t bother to watch her on Broadway. Oh wait, they did talk every night over dinner during Covid last yr. Oh wait, no he didn’t talk to her anymore and shut her down if she asked questions. WTF??????
I’m not saying Tom did not rule the roost, but she is complicit. Her own stories are showing that….her trying to paint the picture that Tom has dementia and that is why he messed up. This was going on for too long for that story to hold water. He’s crooked. He’s been crooked. Everything about them is bullshit. They did not own the planes she liked to brag about in her earlier seasons, her singing career was a hobby, nothing about it was lucrative. The mansion wasn’t worth what they claimed.
NOTHING adds up. One minute, Tom was a cheater and had other women, poor poor Erika. He had his secret La Quinta house. Yet, she had her condo. Supposedly he had to have all this money to keep Erika in a manner to which she had become accustomed, and jeopardized everything to do that. Yet, he berated Erika, didn’t go to watch her on Broadway, had other women. That doesn’t sound like a man desperately trying to keep pleasing the wife he loves. The dementia claim doesn’t add up. He was still lecturing, and allegedly doing so brilliantly. Erika is trying to act (acting poorly at that) like some accident happened 3 yrs ago that wrecked this man health wise. We are supposed to believe that now, but over the past 3 yrs we were supposed to believe her when she went on & on about how brilliant Tom is, how a prenup would’ve been useless against an attorney like Tom. She doesn’t keep her narrative in one lane. She’s all over the damn freeway. It’s why she can’t sell her BS anymore.
I believe they had an arrangement. Erika knows where the bodies are buried. Therefore, he tried to keep her happy until it caught up to him, and they concocted this BS he’s trying to sell the media & courts and she’s trying to sell on tv. I’m still watching, but I feel like I’m watching Bravo do to RHOBH what they’ve done with RHOD & RHONY. The disdain is growing over these women supporting the BS. I hate it about Kyle. Dorit is as fake as Gizelle Bryant’s new wardrobe. Sutton & Garcelle are the only ones speaking sense, and Sutton was definitely thrown under the bus, run over with it, and backed over and run over again. Run from this shit show Sutton. RUN!
Gizelle’s fake wardrobe? Lol. She has a stylist this season. Too bad. Her terrible taste was HER and fun to see.
Erika should have figured out by now that the “I don’t know anything about it and had nothing to do with the finances,” excuse didn’t work out so well for Theresa and it won’t work out well for her.
Theresa’s “innocence” git her a big bravo paycheck. It still gets her one.
Erika wants the same.
God, I hope not.
What saved Theresa is that she appears so stupid that her not knowing what Joe was doing is actually believable!
Bingo 4paz. Felons make ratings and a least a couple of cast members are required to buy her story to make it interesting. EJ may circle the drain for many seasons. At least we won”t have to watch her perform any more. She was taking a job from a well deserving drag queen.
As I remember it Tom was going to go to the last “Chicago” show to see his wife perform but it closed because of Covid. That is not Tom not caring and being a poor husband.
Sutton is working for her Diamond. I’m glad she is asking these questions because the others would just let it slide, to them it’s like Erika got a speeding ticket. Sutton and Garcelle as asking the questions the viewers want to know. The 20 million transfer to her LLC, that’s something Rinna or Dorit would’ve never asked Erika. I understand where Sutton coming from worried about her reputation, the ladies do not want to be dragged into another lawsuit or have to testify. Dorit asking PK and Boy George for legal advise is laughable! Dorit is the Cynthia Bailey of the group aka flip flopper, wants to say it’s wrong but kiss erika’s ass. Don’t worry Dorit you won with the glam squad, she has no money. You can tell Erika just went to eat and get her gifts. This makes me wish Brandi and Kim were on this season because they both would’ve been on Erika and Rinna necks about this. Brandi about the allegations to Erika and Kim would’ve help Rinna accountable. One thing I noticed during the dinner, not once did the show go to one of Erika talking head interviews. Good episode, looking forward to next week where Garcelle tells off dorit.
Best moment of the night was Kathy explaining her saying “Ready to have a gorilla…” and it transitions to a Kim confessional talking nonsense! I laughed so hard.
Brandi was on the chat room show. She did a good job, Gizelle and Porsha both said she needs to be back on the show… agree!! She mention her and Kim are currently not on speaking terms. I like getting the opinions from past housewives and especially someone who is still connected to the group!
I liked that Brandi seemed a bit humbled. She copped to her terrible temper and judgement. It was refreshing. I would give anything to know the details of Brandi and Kim’s hot tub fight!!!
You’re so right Brandi would totally stand up for Tom’s victims! And Kim would not let Rinna off the hook. They are what the show is missing, wild cards.
Yes. Someone needs to be an independent thinker. Sutton and Garcelle are too graceful. We need a real bitch to face off with Erika.
Lol
Sutton bringing up the lawyer that left 10 years ago plus the son in-law that left. She is just giving them an invite list for depositions. Hope she also recommended her financial forensics person to the prosecutors as well. She is a smart cookie.
Rinna about Sutton: Why the f**k are you thinking about your reputation here?
It’s because Sutton has a reputation worth protecting Rinna. And she uses it to try and do good.
Sutton is being so clearly compassionate and empathetic to EJ but is also being sensible and protecting herself and the good she does. She is not disregarding EJ’s heartache in all of this. She isn’t being cruel.
Rinna is using any reaction against EJ that she can to bolster her storyline, deflect from EJ’s culpability and paint herself to be the true friend and hero.
I find it so interesting that Rinna can share that she spoke to EJ this morning about what was said but as soon as Garcelle took a chance on bringing something up that EJ had shared she is slammed for it and EJ has yet to apologise!!
One of my biggest issues with Rinna/EJ is that so much of their dynamic happens off camera, it has impacted the show for seasons now and in an awful way.
I honestly need Rinna to not be on this show anymore. She’s unbearable to watch and she has so many other amazing things she could concentrate on!
Sutton lost me though when she was basically forced into the timid confrontation (if you can call it that) with Erika at dinner – after acting tough behind her back. AND WHY BRING HER A CHRISTMAS GIFT!? Especially, if she’s so concerned about her rep.
I still think it’s possible Erika didn’t know the extent of the fraud, if “daddy” wants to put 20 million in her Erika Jayne fund, why question it? He’s winning lawsuits worth hundreds of millions of dollars. However, I do think she’s trying to go along with his cover story, and is now guilty by association.
Dementia, the affairs, how they’ve enjoyed each other during quarantine, wait actually he’s really mean to her, it’s all too much. She’s clearly trying to cover something up, but I guess time will tell what that is exactly, and how involved she was.
But it’s been a fascinating season. Oh, and Dorit needs to get the axe. Break up the FFF, and get a friend of Sutton or Garcelle’s or Crystal’s in there next year to balance it out.
You’re playing into the storyline. It’s BS. Sutton on camera with all the sudden no one having her back? Tough spot. Erika is BS.
@RNR says – Sutton isn’t overly timid, she’s just like any one of us. She didn’t expect to take the lead, she expected a show of support from her ‘friends’ and the majority of them dipped out and threw her under the bus (imagine a situation in high school where you and your friends agree to turn the tables on a bully. You call out the bully because your friends are right behind you but…. you turn around and you’re alone. That was Sutton’s position).
Remember Erika’s tagline one year, something like ‘I’m an enigma, something else, wrapped up in cash’? That fits Sutton more than it does Erika. Sutton is complicated and human – an enigma. She’s strong and in need of support, she’s emotional yet clear headed and smart, she’s rich (independently), she’s well known, etc… I could go on and on. That’s why you’re seeing what is perceived as weakness in Sutton. No one wants to be abandoned in the face of a lion. Especially if the lion is whimpering with a thorn in it’s paw. Then you’re a monster for ‘picking on the lion when it’s hurt’ – even if the lion would eat you after you removed the thorn.
Oh my gosh, that was very well said.
Ronald Richards was on Up and Adam! today and told an exclusive that Tom transferred $14,000.000 of client’s money from his law firm onto Erika’s Amex card which in turn, have her signature on every transaction. He wants it back for the real victims. TT was right, I was right and That Bitch has been lying for years and is lying every day of her no morals life. No soul. Richards shared a lot of information as to why Tom may skate criminal charges ever being brought against him, even the IRS…. Makes me sick to my stomach. TT can explain it better.
I found it off putting that Kyle sat Erika next to Sutton knowing that they were going to confront Erika and that Sutton would have to take the brunt of it. That was strategic & mean of Kyle to do that. With Erika’s rages, I don’t blame Sutton for being a little meek when Dorit threw her under the bus.
I noticed that, but figured that was production behind it.
Hey All – you guys might want to look at Page 6!!!! Ronald Richards has updated us on where the 25 million that was deposited into Erika LLC has gone. According to Richards Erika owes the law firm 28 million plus interest. So her statement that “if Tom took the money she wants to know where it is” is total BS for the cameras. She alone spent it. Good read, very informative.
I wish they had left Dorit and her fake, annoying baby talk voice outside. LR is a black hearted varmint who has turned on every HW I like. Crystal offers nothing. Garcelle & Sutton should receive workers comp for carrying the entire season on their backs.
I don’t get the rinna hate here, at least in this context. She’s simply saying “I knew Denise was lying, but I don’t know about Erika yet.” Not the deep.
When it comes to “questioning” it’s apples and oranges. Denise and Brandi doing the horizontal polka is clear cut — sussing out how much Erika knew, and when, amidst a twisty story involving fraud, cheating, car crashes and Alzheimer’s is much more complex.
I think a lot of people see this situation differently. The difference is in the gravity of the situation.
With Denise she was being questioned repeatedly about a possible encounter she had with Brandi. It would not be anyone’s business but their own. Denise said repeatedly it didn’t happen. That didn’t stop Rinna from harassing her and demanding that Denise tell her that she did it.
In this case it isn’t about some possible silly rumor that only affects the two people involved. This is a serious criminal matter. If she was involved in such a disturbing criminal act( or knew about it) anyone who is friends with her needs to know what her true character/behavior is like. That is the only way to know if you should have a friendship with them.
If they tell a white lie about a fling they had, who cares. You could still be friends.
Helping cover up for someone that stole millions from clients who need the money is a deal breaker.
It really is apples and oranges.
Exactly !
And Teddy just sittin’ there thinking thank God I’m just a HW friend so I don’t have to hold Erica accountable!
Tom Girardi duped judges, the California State Bar, major news publications, and the most intelligent and successful attorneys in the State of California and the Nation for DECADES. Yet, people cannot fathom that he also may have duped his wife and that she may have believed him and been unaware of what he was doing.
His law firm–which had some of the most talented lawyers in California–was solely managed by him and he didn’t even cut in the partners at the firm that were partners in name only. So if he didn’t include attorneys at his firm in the firm business why would be ever tell or include Erika in the business. Let’s be real, for Tom, Erika was probably an “accessory.” A young, hot wife he could parade around as a way to bolster his image.
Yet people keep looking at Erika like she’s some mastermind. When in reality she was probably what a lot of women are–unaware and uninvolved in what their husband’s do. I don’t understand why we want to blame Erika and burn her at the stake for what her HUSBAND did. Why must women always be held accountable for the actions of men as if women can control them???
Also, the fact that it may have been her LLC and she’s listed on the incorporation papers doesn’t mean anything. Where is the evidence that she actually managed and/or exercised control over the LLC?
If you own a LLC -you sign the tax returns every year. There’s not a chance in hell Erika didn’t know where the money was coming from and how much was in her LLC’s. The fact that she had several LLC’s proves she understands the tax codes and the benefits they provide. Multiple LLC’s separate income , assets and liabilities of each of your business. This limits any potential liability risk between each of your limited liability companies. Forming multiple LLC’s can reduce your taxable income and each llc can be structured differently for your personal benefit.
She was also an officer in her husbands law business. She played the tax game on both sides. She’s quite financially sophisticated and is in no way a victim of her husband “dealings’.
Okay, so Dallas is gone and NY is on some kind of back burner until they figure stuff out. And soon we have OC coming which will be a yawn fest and the only reason SLC is interesting is cuz we want to watch a criminal go down which leads me to my thoughts… Pull every single one of these housewives shows off. Be done with them. They were great but are now not. Time to go. They were popular when they started over 15 years ago but the world has changed. We’ve all changed. Ya know what I’d watch but will never be done? The Real Housewives of the South Side of Chicago and how the mom’s and dad’s there try to keep their kids safe from gang warfare. Or how about the Real Housewives of Dubuque, Iowa and how the farmers try to continue making a living and do the farming. Or how about the Real Housewives of (insert hospital name here) where we see what the Dr’s and Nurses go through on a daily basis with covid/delta and whatever other variant will rear it’s ugly head. Now those would be interesting, educational. But no, we have these scammers, felons, criminals, liars, cancer-fakers, know-it-alls, “cunts” (Erika’s necklace), bitches, race-baiters, racists and all the other words to describe these POS that go on these HW shows. What interest do they hold to any of us anymore? They aren’t an escape nor are they entertaining. IMHO. Is it just me thinking they’ve all seen better days??
Agree!!
It’s true Ramona’s refusal to listen to stories and the truth of racism and Dorit’s experience with people of color because they are the help, Luanne’s I’m not racist, all this is just not a good look. The privilege is not as funny these days.
Nope. Not funny at all. It has been hard to even participate with message boards. Some fans are every bit as bad as Ramona.
I’ve been watching the older seasons. S1-S3 of NYC, OC, BH.. they were all good. Genuine connections. Genuine feelings. Genuine squabbles. Now, it’s about who can be the biggest jerk. They get rewarded for being vile. It’s gross.
I saw those first episodes for the first time a few days ago. Luann was involved with charity. Bethenny was working hard and falling on love with Jason.
In their ITMs, they appear like normal people, only richer.
In their ATMs today, they pave all bought into how special they are. How important they are. Their entire demeanor is different.
With Covid and BLM and the wildfires … they all make me sick.
Quite possibly the best shade production has ever done was showing Dorit soliciting advice from Boy George -twice. I could not stop laughing!
I completely think there is a strong possibility that Erika didn’t know. Her husband was a powerful attorney with connections to politicians. Erika was a trophy wife and a kept woman. It’s not too far fetched to think that he told her to sign whatever and she did. Or for him to say let me deposit money into your LLC and don’t ask questions. However, let’s say she did ask questions. It is also not too far fetched for him to say don’t worry about where it’s coming from. Go live your Erika Jayne fantasy and mind your business. What I do find completely hilarious though is that those women expected her to answer those questions on national television. Yes the money is in an offshore under my son’s uncle’s cousin’s shell Corp.
Such a shame all of that food was made for a group that won’t really eat it.
All I know is I’m craving a turkey dinner now 🤪I do appreciate Kyle wanting carbs, lol!
I was thinking the same thing about the food, who is actually eating (not Rinna) it and what is she going to do with all the leftovers.?
Crystal seems to eat in most scenes with food.
Anyone notice that EJs body language and what shes says contradict each other. So she knows now that the money is ill gotten, I guess it’s just a matter of how much is hers and what shes responsible for with Tom. It’s just all gross. I love that Sutton and Garcelle are going there, bravo there are your stars!! So if Erica is coming for Sutton, does that mean she will blast her in the charity world, or did she really think shes going to have a shot to come out of this golden and anyone that talked shit will be sued? I guess we’ll find out in time.
Tom had help embezzling client money. I do not believe for a second that he is the only one who knows where it went.
Approximately 15 of Madoff’s employees went to prison for his Ponzi scheme along with Bernie Madoff.
Absolutely…and part of me believes EJ is among those in the know. Either way…Madoff’s wife was more sympathetic than this one. She is horrid.
Watching he pretend to be this ignorant is simply infuriating. Nope, not buying it. Sorry not sorry. Love you TT
I read that Tom has been stealing from his clients since around 1995 or 96. I would love to hear from one of his ex wives to corroborate this went on back then. This man is an arrogant and pompous ass. I somewhat believe that he possibly told EJ not to question him about the money and gifts that he gave to her. Just shut up and look pretty!! The way he spoke to her in her first season was disgusting. He spoke like he was her superior and not her husband. Whether she knew or not is no excuse. If she was married to a bank robber, she wouldn’t get to keep the loot from the heist. Why does she feel entitled to ill gotten goods that her partner stole? I think she may not have had a hand in the theft but she has known about it since for a few years. She is an accessory.
That was about the same time Erika met him.
What is baffling is how Rinna, Kyle and Dorit are so easily manipulated bu Erica. It’s like, where are your brains ladies? Erica’s argument is so weak. He had brain damage 3 years ago and thus is not liable for crimes going back 20 years ago? She has never been to a bank? And then she brings out the red herting of the affairs and the terrible marriage which she never mentioned, which shows her secretive, insincere nature. And as Sutton said , her story matched Tom’s lawyers. Thank Gawd Sutton and Garcelle are speaking up!! They are everything! But dang they are getting hated for speaking truth to power, that power being Erica Jane lol.
Wasn’t Erica Jane a stripper back in the day, No offense to strippers but aren’t they hustlers and know how to get money from clients, and we are suppose to believe that now Erica Jane is so naïve, that she doesn’t know anything? I think her cop son is coaching her on how to behave or with answering questions with the press. Just thinking someone who can snatch up someone so wealthy is apparently so in the dark, not buying it..
@TT–I didn’t know where else to leave this, but where in your rhob archives was the excellent (novella in a way) synopsis of the dynamics (bobby fischer, etc.) I did try yet got enamoured with reading recaps and comments from 2012-2015 lol! Thinking of you and hope today is better 🙂
I think if you do a search for Yolanda, that you can scroll through and find Tamara’s excellent and entertaining post about the Machiavellian moves behind RHOBH.
Back then, it was more about a personal feud between LVP and Yolanda.
This criminal shit is another level.
I read the LA Times article and followed the timeline. It says his son-in-law resigned from the law firm in June. She filed for divorce in November on Election Day. First and foremost the fact a close family member left on his own accord is indicative trouble was brewing. Don’t tell me she just sat at the dinner table with her husband. asked questions, didn’t get any details and just said oh ok. She has always prided herself of being smart and direct. She knew when $20 million hit the LLC and if he was not making much sense since this car accident then did she continue to spend money freely as people close to her were leaving a law firm? There were signs, she herself said people started to call her and what did she do? Turn a blind eye, spend money and claim I tried but he didn’t tell me so oh well. Ridiculous. Separately I am disappointed in Kyle as I have the most affinity for her among the “5”. Yes she feels bad and I understand as a “friend” she feels bad seeing Erika go through pain. However, when are you going to stand behind Sutton who brings up very rationale points? Instead you are going to throw her under the bus and say she is just worried about her reputation. Let’s be honest, they all are worried about their reputation every single day. How about her worrying about her reputation when Garcelle asked if she was being racist regarding the charity money. She was worried about her reputation when her own sister accused her of stealing money in the final episode of the first season. She was worried about her reputation when LVP brought up magazine headlines about her husband. Don’t pretend to be so high and mighty. Have some empathy like Garcelle and stand for what is right, the victims. And until Garcelle actually brought that up at dinner Erika was forced to acknowledge the victims. I have doubts she would have said a thing about them claiming sympathy unless it was brought up.
Do you think she really asked Tom where the money came from? She looks like more a spender than an asker. With the real question being is she mad that it all ended? Or angry that Tom got caught?
This episode was exquisite. I could tell they spend a lot of time on it. Edited to perfection. So good.
I cannot believe that I was such a fool as to believe EJ. Tamara ALWAYS is right! I mean, I was ready to give her the benefit of the doubt, but no ma’am!! And yes, Sutton Is the smartest person in the room.
What is this fox Force five?
I believe it is Kyle, Lisa, Dorit, Teddi and Erika. WTF is happening? My last bastion of hope, I LIVE BH & NY, and will for sure watch BH, especially now! NY has become unwatchable. IMO.
Love, duh.
Rhny I have not watched the last four episodes. Finally started and could not get through them.
I used to love it. Same with rhop. And rhbh is getting closer to not watching.
Used to just love these shows. It seems that they need to be retired.
The only one I did like was Dallas! Oh well.
And they should be the “gag me group” AHA .😊 (fox force five)
I’m wondering if Erika will ever part with her prized Cartier Panther ring. Anyone seen her wearing it this season? It would seem a bit gross for it to show up on her finger with everything that’s going on. I think the ring went into hiding.
I saw Bravo’s extra clip on YouTube with all RHOBH women (except Erika of course) talking about what happened at the dinner. Wow, that was interesting! Sutton stood up for herself really well and Garcelle too, but Kyle acts a bit strange about where she stands.
It seems tensed between Kathy and Kyle, and at the end of the clip Kathy mocks Kyle about wearing so similar outfit and having not so different hairdo as Garcelle, and Kathy says basically in an ice cold way that Garcelle is more beautiful than Kyle.
I had to go back in the clip and check if I really heard right.
The Richards sisters have a very complex relationship. I always wondered what Kim meant when she said that Kyle and Mauricio stole their mom’s Palm Springs house. And regarding “American Woman,” I thought it was a great show and had so much potential, but it caused a rift between Kathy and Kyle. I hope that Kim is doing ok and dealing with her issues.
Here is my guess about the Family Palm Springs house. Kyle and Mauricio wanted a home there of their own, bigger, newer, nicer. They didn’t want to maintain the family home owned with the sisters. So Kim could buy them out, but didn’t have the money, or they could sell it. They sold the home and Kim got her portion of the money. In reality Kim didn’t want to sell the home and feels it was “stolen” from her. As others have said, it was probably bought with Kim’s childhood earnings. Yet, at the time they still owned the home together, Kyle and Mauricio were probably paying the bills for it as well as supporting Kim.
Anyone please correct me if I am wrong.
TT would definitely know the facts better than me.
I believe so. After reading the book that shall not be mentioned it seems Kim funded a lavious amount of funds upon her family during the glory days of her successful career. Never cared for Kim until I read this book. She was extetemly generous with her earnings & it seems only fair that she is now getting financial help from family members. I for one cannot wait to read her autobiography which will be released before the end of the year.
I think the book might be very interesting to read as well, and I am sure Kim would not hold back on what she knows about some HW’s.
Apparently she spent 25 MILLION.of Tom’s law firm money …
Per US magazine…
The letter specified where the money allegedly went. A large portion — $14.3 million — was charged to an American Express card from 2008 to 2020, while another chunk — $1.5 million — was used to pay the McDonald Selznick Associates Agency, which represents dancers and choreographers.
Attorney Ronald Richards, who represents the trustee on the bankruptcy case, said in a statement to Page Six that Erika owes Tom’s firm more than $28 million plus interest.
Lawyer stuff.. She doesn’t need to have known. She spent 39 million dollars via EJ global. 14 million of it on an AMEX card. She won’t go to jail but will have to pay it back. If Rinna gotv5 million from her, a portion will go to the victims. She is toast.
I think she is just pissed period. No more $$$, when she thought there was a never ending river of it. Nope, it’s GONE. Along with her integrity and reputation. That’s a whole fucking lot of money to pay back! She thought she was set for life, no you are just set up! Why ISN’T she mad at Tom? Very strange.
I don’t believe a work Erika says and I hate how she uses tone and evil looks to scare the women into submission. They are all scared to death of her (except Garcelle and Sutton) because they’ve seen how she flies off the handle when she is displeased with someone. Good for Sutton and Garcelle sticking it to her. She gets more unlikable as the season goes on. She is literally attempting to sell us that she is a VICTIM in all this and she is nothing of the kind. She’s so pissed she doesn’t have access to the money that belongs to other people anymore. It’s disgusting.
AGAIN, I will play devil’s advocate. AGAIN, I will say let’s suspend our disbelief for a minute.
Let’s just say Erika knew nothing about the alleged theft. Let’s just say she was told not to worry her pretty little head about the money. Let’s just say she knew Tom had lots of money and assumed it was from HIS SHARE of winning cases and smart investments.
OK. Fine.
What galls me is her behavior AFTER this has come to light. In no way would she be advised to admit complicity or admit that she knew anything. Whether or not she did, a smart person follows the advice of her lawyer. It is the way she went about trying to secure “her share” of the money. Fighting to keep her “gifts” from Tom, arguing that they were “gifts.” She didn’t CARE if those gifts were bought with money STOLEN FROM VICTIMS. The gifts were “HERS.”
She did not come out with a statement saying that she was keeping her expensive jewelry in a safe place, administered by a trust, until legal and moral ownership could be established. She fought the investigation all the way. She COULD have cooperated. She COULD have said how awful she felt, spending $40k a month on glam, when the victims needed the money to pay their mortgages IF THE THEFT RUMORS WERE TRUE.
But that would have been a lie. Because she didn’t feel bad. AT ALL. As proven by her subsequent posts on Instagram in her designer track suits all glammed up.
The WORST image was her in white designer duds and full-face glam, with the caption “So fresh. So clean.” All I could think was, “How rotten. How dirty.”
I completely agree and this is what disgusts me as well. She’s more than just cold, she’s non-emotional to the point of being scary.
Inherently cold the black v neck wearing grifter said way back when.
Does anybody on the planet believe Erika’s convoluted story about Tom driving on a “switchbayack” behind their house and losing consciousness for 12 hours while also calling her for help after hurling in space off a cliff and out of his car?
If she believes the victims come first, why not hand over the Cartier panther rings purchased for $200,000 each and the diamond necklace and earrings she wore earlier in the season?
Not only are her stories full of inconsistencies, her so called morals are as well.
If there has been no police report about Tom Girardi’s accident, then this does not ring true either.
No.
Erika needs to fire whomever gave her the advice to attack and bully. That was her only time to be humble and remorseful. Not attack her castmates who question her.
Hello fellow Belinda! Erika hasn’t been keeping track of her stories which in turn I’m not surprised if cast mates start calling her bluff! Enjoyed reading your post!
If she knew nothing about finances, why invest In Rinnas lips buiness? Who paid the investment out of what account?
I would rather have a catheter then endure the shadow of her father at my Christmas gathering. She brings nothing to the show. That she ever held a cubic zirconia ( I mean diamond ) astounds & amazes me.Just looking at her smug holier than thou demeanor makes me want to get a fly swatter & raid. Please go away shadow your name escapes me what have you accomoplished in life ? Oh now I remember encouraging starvation & referring to it as a lifestyle brand & charging exorbinate fees for it. Alledgedly. .
Are you referring to Doritos or Erika? Or both?
Teddi
She’s been guest co-host on Daily Pop for a few days now. I didn’t think it was possible, but she’s even more annoying hosting a talk show than she is as a cast member on a reality show.