Sabbat Shalom! It’s the “Black Sabbat” RHONY recap where the black friend was excluded! YAY! Sonja has a date. And Luann wants to have a snowball fight. YAY!? I’m kind of crabby tonight because some idiot women have banged on my door for two days in a row now while I am trying to sleep. Today they came twice. I have yet to open the door. They looked very “perky.” I imagine they either want to invite me to church, or they are campaigning for some political candidate. This is not the hood for knocking on random doors. IJS.
OH YAY! Here we go! I’m sort of offended by this whole conversation between Leah and Eboni. Personally, I think Leah is appropriating another culture just to piss off her mother. She’s like a thirteen year old. How is Michael Lorber spending so much time with Ramona and letting her do open houses for extremely expensive properties when she doesn’t even have a license? Grrrr. See I told you I was crabby. I got my license on the first try when I was 19 or 20. I’m a very good test taker and told my mother after I took it that I failed. The Georgia licensing test was very obscure with things you would never need to know. Why is Ramona wearing a handbag while doing the walk through? And hitting Michael? And she can’t shut up. I need more wine.
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Eboni meets with a genetic investigator to continue her search for her father. I was just going to ask why this is necessary due to all the mail-in DNA tests that will tell you about any relatives that have taken the test. But, before I can type that she says that the did do Ancestry and no close relatives were found. The genetic investigator looks at the results and finds a couple of close relatives. She says she may no something for her in a little as a week.
Sonja’s date didn’t go very well in my opinion. If he is loaded, I think Sonja could do it. But he talks about surgeries at a dinner date in gross detail. And spews his drink from his mouth when they toast. Keep your spittle in your mouth! It’s a pandemic! Sonja says he looks nothing like his photo. And he doesn’t. Sonja doesn’t drink on the date. For once, a drink or two would have been in order.
Sabbat Shalom!
All the girls get ready for Black Sabbat. Leah calls to say she will Zoom in because she was exposed to Covid and has to quarantine. I’ve never been invited to a Sabbat but, I would dress like I was going to church. Sonja is in a sequined minidress with some sort of weird tail. What is wrong with these people? Don’t they own a simple long-sleeved camel cashmere dress That’s mid-calf length or something? Ramona wears a short zebra dress. Luann wears on of her sparkly cabaret dress with a slit up to her hoo-haw. Since this is a Jewish think, Jesus can’t even come take the wheel! When they arrive at the stunning home, Luann starts a snowball fight with the girls. This does not bode well for this evening. I predict Ramona will nod off at the table and Sonja will put the moves of a Rabbi.
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The hostess, Archie, is also in a silver sparkly dress. So. Whatever. The three black guests are the only ones who are appropriately dressed. The decor of the huge home in Jersey is like a museum of dogs. It’s weird. I loved the dog statues on the porch. But then, once inside, it all became way too much. Also, I Googled whether it was Sabbat or Shabbat and was told it was Sabbat (but pronounced with the h). But the Jewish lady has huge napkins, or maybe it is a prayer book at each setting that spell it with the H. So now I am already confused about tonight’s lesson in Judaism. Ramona can’t stop commenting on the “very eclectic table scape.” She “kinda likes it.” I kinda don’t. Ah, Ramona namedrops her “best friend” Michael Lorber (the realtor we saw earlier) as her Jewish friend.
This Is Going To Be A Trainwreck
Sonja already starts talking about her ex-husband. Eboni says that she and Sonja get along because they are both introverts. I don’t think they know what that word means. They are both loud and never STFU. Production plays a quick roll of scenes with Sonja being anything but an introvert. Ramona is suddenly the expert Challah. Leah is already having technical issues and interrupting the hostess. Archie and one black man are the only Jews as this sabbat. So much for my Jewish lesson. Archie is very odd. And the black man is very softspoken and reserved and is looking for a reason to run from these lunatics.
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Ramona announces that she was once engaged to a Jewish man who wanted her to convert. She took all the classes but he never recognized her accomplishment. So she dumped him. I do not believe a single word of this story. Leah’s Hebrew prayer song was quite emotional. It doesn’t take much to get my allergies riled up these days. Archie points out that the Jewish people and Black people share the struggles of centuries of oppression. It’s the first intelligent comment of the evening. So, of course Ramona has to interject and talk about the Italians. Just be quiet, Ramona. But, no. She says, “How about when I went to college and Jewish people hated me?” Girl, read the room. This is not about you.
Ramona Drives The Sabbat Train Right Into The Ditch
Ramona storms out because no one is listening TO HER? Good Grief woman! You literally interrupted the hostess to insist on making it all about you! I feel like she needs the instructions I gave my second graders. You have two ears an one mouth so that you will listen twice as much as you speak. Someone at her age should have definitely had some etiquette training. Or at the very least basic HOME TRAINING! Was she raised by wolves? She is infuriating and is ruining something that I really wanted to learn more about. Why am I not surprised. Ramona says SHE. IS. BEING. DISCRIMINATED. AGAINST. Quite frankly, as much as I despise the term, this is the appropriate time for Eboni to bring up “white fragility.”
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Archie asks if she should go after Ramona. Luann says that might be best. Archie says she can go “apologize for the Jews!” I can’t with this either. “The Jews” are not responsible for Ramona’s “college trauma” because people didn’t like her. And I CANNOT BELIEVE I AM AGREEING WITH LEAH, but I doubt very many people liked her in college because she is self-centered and entitled and demeaning and rude and doesn’t listen! Luann convinces her to give Ramona a minute. Ramona comes back in screaming. These three black people look like they want to be ANYWHERE but in this shit show. They are pretending to read their prayer books and probably praying at the same time.
The Train Has Wrecked And I Am Dead
Dear LORD! It keeps getting worse. Ramona now says she cried at night because she wished she was Jewish. Wait, I thought thirty minutes ago you said you converted! The Sonja blurts out, “Can we please listen to ‘the blacks and the Jews”. I mean, Sonja means well and now “the blacks” have drained their drinks except for the poor pregnant lady. And they are laughing and looking for a bartender. Eboni is horrified. And I am too and I am not even there!
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Then, Ramona demands that they bring out her “first course.” Archie points out that they are not doing Sabbat so it’s not time. BECAUSE RAMONA WON’T STFU! Ramona gets up and goes into Archie’s kitchen looking for food because she hasn’t eaten all day. She at on the entire bus ride there! She goes into the kitchen and starts demanding food from the staff. They were literally plating the food when she got there. No one can possibly this ill-mannered in real life, can they?
Next Week: We MAYBE get to see a Sabbat? And Eboni’s researcher found three possible fathers for her. I’m not sure if I can take anymore of Ramona at Sabbat. My blood pressure is sky high from this episode. Jackie Hoffman and Dorinda are on WWHL tonight. I ADORE Jackie Hoffman. I’ll update in comments.
Dorinda as written a book called Make It Nice. Andy refers to her leaving the show as her being “Put On Pause” there are many hints that she may come back to the show soon. Dorinda seems to like LEAH. UGH. Dorinda is letting two groups of fans come to stay at the Berkshires while she is on her book tour in I think September or something. And according to what I read today there were two one night stays for up to four people and it’s $100????? a night? That’s insane. I don’t think she should do it at all but if she does she needs to charge at LEAST $5K a night. Better yet, have people bid on it to keep the riff raff out. I think she is doing another thing for charity but I forgot what it was.
I think it’s more of a raffle that costs $100 to enter.
I could not stop laughing. 😂 Those poor people. Is it impolite to excuse one’s self and and simply leave? 😬This show has become ridiculous. I honestly don’t know if Bravo can fix it.
I am bummed I did not learn more, or rather, anything.
Can Leah be fired soon? Please?
Ramona is a lost cause.
She’s a relic from the 80s with a Gordon Gekko mentality. She’s ensconced in her UES bubble, and she LOVES it!
Give it up Eboni/Leah, you’re wasting your time.
I really have to wonder if Ramona is real or not. I can understand some of the things she says just because terminology has changed so much in her life and she does live in a bubble. So I believe the stupid racist shit she says is genuine. And she did shift from calling her employees The Help (a movie she should watch by the way) to calling them “hospitality assistants” and frankly I think the correct term is Bravo hired staff.
But let us assume that she lives in a bubble of rich white people and doesn’t realize she is racist or Anti-Semitic. I know a lot of people like her and I can not excuse her behavior. But, I can almost see her falling in the whole “Father forgive them because they do not know what they do.” Category. Almost. Despite it being pointed out to her several times.
However, she is also uncouth. She has no table manners. She was very insulting to the woman whose home she was invited into. If I had done even ONE of those things my mother would have jerked a knot in my head and beat my ass even if I was thirty. Because she raised me better than that. I knew how to set the table and what forks use when when I was six or seven. That’s why I have eleventy billion sets of dishes. It was something I did with my mother. Same with flower arrange. I was the only kid in my Brownie troop who had to wear a slip under my uniform that my mother hemmed herself. Once I got to spend the night with Marvella because mama was going to Malta for some dental work, and the last time she left me with my dad he took me to a movie. To be fair, in Libya there was this one really fancy theatre that show movies in English. We never really new what the movie as in advance. Usually someone would go first and tell all the ex pats what the movie was. Apparently, the one I went to was inappropriate for small children. Also I was prone to puking at the movies. Which I did profusely. Everywhere. Anyway, I’m rambling. But that is why I got to stay with Marvella whose mom put AMERICAN snacks in out lunch boxes.
My point and I did have one but I had to take a phone call that lasted awhile, is that I learned to say please and thank you. I learned not to eat until the hostess eats. Proper topics for dinner parties which don’t include interrupting the hostess as she welcomes her guests. Not talking about why you excused yourself from going to the bathroom.
There were some things that just went unspoken. Don’t mock the hostess for her unusual table selection or ginormous napkins. NEVER EVER STORM THE KITCHEN MAKING DEMAND FOR FOOD. Some things you know even if you are six if your mama raised you right. My mother took me to an Arabic wedding once and it was FASCINATING. She also hosted cultural events at the ruins in Sabratha for the expat Archeological group.
Anyway I just got off a long but enjoyable phone call. So apologies for losing my train of thought. And also my phone is dead.
What is more surprising, that Jewish (or any people!) hated Ramona or that she went to college? Inquiring minds and all….
We need to remember that perhaps Ramona’s behavior is so outrageous because she wasn’t invited to a lovely home by a lovely woman for a lovely dinner. It wasn’t a real dinner party and she didn’t want to be there and showed it by acting like a child. She was ordered to go by her bosses as a part of her job where she is expected to sit there and take it while a co-worker insults and berates her in the name of the new wokeness agenda Bravo has decided on this season. She is not worried about offending a co-worker just as they are not worried about offending her. The lovely Archie is a co-worker in this instance as well-hired by Bravo to put on this sham of a “Black Shabbat”. This would explain a lot of her rude behavior including going into the kitchen to look for food.
And, she could run off to another “engagement” as she was in New Jersey and they all road together. Like she does so many times before!
This!!! I wonder how much production geared Ramona up for this. Eboni is a tough one for me. And even though she wasn’t there, Leah still managed to be rude and try to make things about her; “turn me around,” “what’s happening.” Pulling Eboni away from a party she invited people to. Leah is abhorrent.
That’s a very good proposition and one I hadn’t considered. It does make a lot of sense.
Narcissists do get worse as they get older and Ramona might fall into that category. She seems to have no boundaries whatsoever anymore. I can’t believe she’s lived in NYC all these years and can’t behave at a Shabat. That dinner was a SH&& show and I had to turn it off. It was like a cringey “I Love Lucy” episode.
Narcissists do worsen with age and offer as Exhibit A , Donald Trump, Ramona’s hero🤣
Aww bless you for mentioning wearing a slip as a little Brownie! Me too… Girl Scout level too! Momma bought them for me well into my forties.
New Orleans girl here, in her fifties, smiling and missing her Mom.
I am dying and loving that you said Ramona is uncouth. There are not a lot people that get that. I have always heard it as “They don’t have any couth”. And the home training. AKA acting right in public.
Ramona’s cough is in her back pockets and her pants are in Egypt!
If she thinks she can sell people homes, she needs to LISTEN to what they want. Likely, she will think she knows more about what they want than she does.
She got a whopping 81% on her test and acted like she scored 100%. Narcissistic ignoramous idiot cuntsatchel.
I was the opposite. I was basically raised by animals, but I still don’t act like Ramona. I saw the way people reacted to my parents, and their poor behaviour and I observed others. When I got older and went to nice restaurants I watched what other people did and how they behaved. I modelled the manners and qualities of teachers or friend’s parents I admired and was fanatical about studying etiquette. It’s a matter of basic self awareness. I saw the appalled looks my parents received and I never, ever wanted anyone to look at me that way. Ramona doesn’t see those looks, or take in the way others around her behave. There’s something going on there. I know people have speculated about various disorders, but I just think Ramona’s ‘bubble’ is extreme. She is so self obsessed, she can’t see more than a few inches in front of her face.
Very good post Tamara. I almost think this has to be shtick for the show. Surely Ramona cannot possibly be that rude and ignorant, can she? Her manners are unacceptable.
The entire cast should be fired immediately. Ramona is the OG of all Karen’s- she’s despicable
I think Leah may be worse than Ramona.
Leah’s aggressive wokeness may be the worst thing I’ve ever watched.
OMG! Totally agree with this. Leah is the worst! And her screaming while on the little iPhone was absurd and very jarring and irritating. Cannot fathom how or why Bravo Suits think she is even one bit funny, interesting or entertaining. She is none of those.
Leah is unbelievably annoying.
Leah is revolting. They wanted someone that could stand up to Ramona but she makes Ramona likeable. Im young but Leah is so crass. I think she is just as uncouth as Ramona was tonight.
Leah is totally as uncouth & obnoxious as Ramona. It’s as if they are actually Mother and Daughter!
Any idea why those cages were in the dining room? They looked like pet cafes for a kennel at the SPCA
That was just nasty. But even worse based on the preview and stills I thought they might be bird cages? I could not eat in a room with birds. I am extremely terrified by “pet birds”. There should be no animal cages IN A DINING ROOM. That is a HUGE HOUSE! But I would have never said a word about them in that situation until I got back to YOU GUYS.
I built something like those cages outside for my cats, they are cheap and flimsy, they have to be reinforced with zip ties. They fell apart and I tossed them and got my cats a proper catio. I love your stories of your childhood T, you have led a very interesting life. I was taught manners, by my parents, my grandparents, my siblings, my friends, it is how people grow up! I think she is just so obtuse and self-centered it doesnt occur to her to consider others. Either that or she keeps trying to make herself relevant and controversial so she can stay on the show.
I asked someone who knew her a year or two ago if she was on the spectrum or something and the reply was something along the lines of no, she is an upper east side rich woman, who feels entitled and those women come a dime a dozen in that part of Manhattan. My sister in law has lived on the upper east side for decades and doesnt act like this, but she grew up poor and lives a middle class life.
The Eboni story may end up being a remake of MamaMia.
I found Sonja to be very charming for the most part and love her friendship with Eboni, it feels very easy. It appears to go far sound next week though.
Still thinking of JustJenn and hope she is okay.
Omg yes!! Birds scare the shit out of me! I’d be out of there!!
Why doesn’t Eboni know who is her father? Her mother is alive. Does her mother not know or is she refusing to tell Eboni?
I am confused. Did she ever discuss the reason?
She may have but I can’t recall. You make a good point she is not adopted she can ask her mom
Her mom either doesn’t know or won’t tell her which is messed up either way.
I think it is a fake story line. Realistically, her mother could narrow down the pool for her. Not to slut shame, but unless her mother had some serious Jerry Springer “you are not the father” kind of sexual encounters, I mean how many men could it possibly be?
I’ve known a few people who were raised by single mothers and their mom’s refused to tell them who their father’s were. The reasons for it seem to make sense to the mom’s even though it makes sense to no one else. One of them managed, through DNA, to track down her bio father but he wanted nothing to do with her. That may be why some mom’s don’t want to share the info with their children.
I am pretty sure, that if she could get the answer from her mother, she would.
Not to be crass, but most people know who they had sex with 9 months before giving birth.
Right?! Even if there was more than one dude, ya kinda know who you’re fucking ?! Sounds like mom was a bit loose and carefree !!
On a show a few weeks back Eboni said her mom said it could be one of three guys. And so that girl she thought was a half sister was the child of one of those 3.
I mean it does seem logically to just check with the other two families, but maybe she isn’t trusting her mom’s info and doesn’t want to blow up someone ones life until she has proof.
And, why didn’t Eboni’s father find her? She’s not going to get anything but heartache.
I’d never tell my daughter it was “one of three guys”. Dear lord
mama mia mama mia here we go again.
It could be that Eboni’s mother knew the guys as “Spider” or “Tex” or something like that. No last name, and only a nickname.
It only takes one time to get pregnant. I respect that her mom didn’t rope some guy into 18 years of child support.
Mom was a little “loose” as they used to call it 😳 but I would hope she could at least narrow it down to three or four???
This cast just doesn’t … gel? Leah always looks SO washed out. A little blush and some bronzer goes a long way, girrrrl. Eboni.. don’t entirely dislike her, but she’s playing a role. Bring back dorinda!!!
Over all okay episode. Ramona is already high maintenance I can’t imagine her selling me an apartment. She seems like she would be looking at me with her giant eyes and asking “are you going to buy it!?” Or constantly calling me because she wants to make the sale. Interested in Eboni’s finding her father, I hope she finds the extended family she’s been seeking. Sonja date was bad, there was no chemistry and you can tell she was wants to be in a relationship. I can see Sonja as an introvert… on the off seasons but not during filming. The Shabbat dinner was cringe worthy because of Ramona. I understand she wanted to make a point but you are there to learn about another persons culture/religion. Shut up! This another example of Ramona being Ramona and acting a fool in front of everyone. Glad to see Luann was quiet and didn’t want to put her foot in her mouth. Curious to see how
WWHL – IMO I believe dorinda will be back next season because how andy said “on pause.” They usually don’t bring back fired housewives on WWHL the following season example Tamra was let go hasn’t been back since season 14. Glad to see Dorinda reached out to Tinsely after her and scott broke up. Overall she seemed like she was happy to be there
Dorinda’s pants!! Yes they need to bring her back so we can have some fun again.
Please let this be Ramona’s last season on RONY. She’s a nightmare. I was mortified watching her behavior.
Hi I love your recaps. I would never ever correct your grammar (I know the rules), but since you asked, it’s “Shabbat” or “Sabbath” (but when we refer to Sabbath with a “H” at the end, we are usually only referring to the 24 hour period beginning at sundown on Friday evening to sundown on Saturday evening). I really really appreciate you asking and appreciate that you want to learn more about the Jewish culture/holidays! It makes me love you even more! ❤️ I wish I could have you over for Shabbat dinner. We would have so much fun. Let me know if you are ever in Washington DC!! Thank you again for your sensitivity!!
Thanks Anne, I really tried to get it right! Google apparently mislead me. And I’d like to apologize on behalf of Ramona. I think she is just an old self-centered person who makes for great TV! Also, the only Jewish people I ever met were my sister’s former neighbors who I loved. And she made the best…okay the only but it was really good….matzah ball soup ever. I hope I don’t get in trouble for this comment because I once said I never saw any Asian people in the ATL unless they were running a business. I don’t get out much apparently.
Haha! I’m impressed they knew how to make matza ball soup. It’s really hard to make. And so glad you enjoyed it 🙂
I make chicken stock and matzo ball,soup any Jewish grandmother would be proud to claim as her own. It’s EASY!
THANK YOU! I didn’t want to correct either, but…
Archie had incredible grace and patience. You’d have thought the way Ramona behaved that someone brought a man to a girls’ night dinner!
Archie and her family are incredibly connected in the Real Estate world. As was said in Pretty Woman, “Big mistake. Big. Huge…”
Nice reference! “That someone brought a man to a girl’s night dinner!”
A girl’s night dinner party, no less, that was at a Jewish woman’s home and prepared by a Jewish chef (not a cook)!
Does production put Ramona up to behave like this?! I can’t even fathom someone would be so rude as to interrupt so much, shout over others, make it all about her–and then get up and go in the kitchen to demand food! When you are at someone’s house for dinner, you sit there until they serve you food, and then you say thank you and hope you like it. If you absolutely can’t stand it, you push it around on your plate and then say it was delicious but you are just so full. You don’t go demand food before you are even to that point in the evening. I just really can’t believe someone would behave this badly unless production told her to.
Seriously. I can’t imagine ANYONE could act like this. I hope this is production. OTOH, she has always been kind of stupid and unrefined. I don’t care if I found myself stuck a Trump fundraising dinner. I would never be this disrespectul. (Yeah, yeah online I would) But my social graces IRL would not allow it.
Ramona’s political beliefs and “new” money play a big role in her behavior. She’s rude, loud, obnoxious and always wants to make everything about her. Archie was much, much more patient than I would have been. Ramona would have been booted out on her ass.
“I don’t care if I found myself stuck a Trump fundraising dinner..” this is why I love you! You truly make me laugh out loud!!
Maybe production figured it would just be an average boring dinner so have Romona do what Romona does, be a spectacle. They could not rely on Sonya to drink and go that route. She could just be really hamming up her behavior for reactionary reasons for the rest of the cast. Or it’s just her being her rude self. Besides when was the last time we ever saw a calm pleasant dinner with the ladies on any show lately.
She clearly didn’t want to be called and old grandma or boring that’s for sure!
If anyone out there has ever had a self-absorbed, narcissistic friend you will know that Ramona could never act that well. Ramona is a self-absorbed, narcissistic person who will never change because she has watched herself on this show for 10 years and has only managed to get WORSE! Had a friend like her, she was the only person that brought out my violent side… and even THAT didn’t wake her ass up!
I am not sad that Ramona derailed the dinner. It started off wrong with Eboni not inviting Bershawn. Eboni got her just deserved for being a fake
I totally agree. There was plenty of room at that table for Bershawn. I hate it when cast members try to ice people out of filming. I can see the same thing starting agin in Potomac with Karen being sent to the guest cottage.
The house was weird to me– you walk in the door and are immediately in the dining room? And the cages and odd lighting fixtures? I just moved from this NJ town last month after 25 years. It is a NYC suburb loaded with new money snobs.
There is a very large Jewish population and I hate to say it, but I’ve had a similar experience to Ramona. It’s subtle, and definitely elitist. Anyways, I can see the need for some sort of inclusiveness initiative in that neck of the woods.
Ramona’s behavior was terrible, but I think she was drunk. She gets sloppy in a different way than Sonya. I’m guessing she was fuming about another lesson on racism and oppressed groups. I’m tired of the preaching as well and Eboni is a hypocrite for excluding the black cast member.
This episode was not about calling all the girls racists. If the are they are but that is not the point. This episode was about learning about Shabbat. And I was disappointed that Ramona’s foul mouth kept us from that. And it would not have been preaching. Sadly, Archie was not allowed to share with us.
Agree with you Tamara.
Besides, Bershawn came on the show as Ramona’s friend not Eboni’s friend. Ramona’s “it’s all about me” song and dance was bad enough and I’m happy that Bershawn was not there to back Ramona’s disrespectful behavior. Eboni was wise not to invite Bershawn and production should’ve let her exclude Ramona. Ramona’s absence would’ve provided an opportunity to learn something about Shabbat!
Every event does not have to be a teaching moment. That is the point.
Eboni excluded Bershawn.
kdwagz, YES!
It would have been wonderful if this episode was learning about Shabbat. But the notorious Eboni started out calling it “Black Shabbat.” And it all went down hill from there.
During the van ride Eboni gave a prelude to the dinner event and when talking about her 3 friends, made a point of telling Ramona, “they are black Ramona.” Ok Eboni, you already said that during the dinner invite. Clearly Ramona would have seen for herself upon being introduced to the 3 black friends.
Also, At the dinner when Ramona interrupted Archie, Eboni had to take over the conversation and started talking about oppression and again brought up white supremacy. I wanted to hear what Archie had to say. But Ramona had to open her mouth and Ebony turned it into a learning lesson. She talks but she sure doesn’t listen. Wish someone would teach Eboni, “You have two ears and one mouth so that you will listen twice as much as you speak.”
I got around to watching. Shabbat is a serious thing, and a mockery was made of it. Leah and her “I’m half Jewish now” just no, it pissed me off.
kdwagz, Ramona was not wrong feeling left out by her Jewish classmates. My high school had a large Jewish presence and my best friend was half Jewish. She was accepted only peripherally as it was her father that was Jewish, not her mother. I was accepted only in conjunction with her. It was a very clear line. Even today when I look at their Facebook profiles and check out their Friends it’s 99% Jewish, 1% other Whites. Yet they post all kinds of BLM, DACA, and far left kind of shit that they really don’t care about in any kind of reality. Hate to stick up for Ramona but I had a similar experience in HS, college, and even the workplace.
In Leah’s interviews with the low cut pink dress, does it look like she’s wearing a breast plate from Drag Race to anyone else? This is the only thing I can think of watching those.
I would like to see Dorinda return and Ramona gone forever. Romona is not entertaining when so incredibly rude, ignorant and clearly not willing to listen to anyone else.
The open wire shelving/cages may have at one time been for poultry or open lockers somewhere but is repurposed for decor.
I think there was a bird in there. WHO KEEPS BIRD IN THE DINING ROOM?
I rewound and froze a few times
It seems like the vases are in individual cages for some reason and it seems to take up quite a bit of space in the room. Maybe this is so they don’t break? I have many questions. I did not see animals birds snakes hamsters etc.
Many people keep birds in or near the dining room. A well-adjusted bird is part of the family’s social life. Just keep the cage clean. Or let the bird hang out on a perch or a manzanita branch near the table.
I thought the same thing. I was wondering why am I not seeing nipples or a hint of areola🤪 devils advocate here, perhaps the dining room has the best lighting for the eccentric bird cages in the dining room, who knows!!!
She has an awful boob job.
Funny how there was no room for Bershan and then Lea canceled and now there’s room. Lea is exhausting, and Ramona is a mess. As badly behaved as Ramona is, I feel bad for her (please note I am not excusing her deplorable behavior at the dinner). She a child of immigrants and no one in that group really understands how challenging it is to be raised to be an American by people who are so new to the country. Over the last few years she’s hinted at her early struggles and no one can relate, therefore no one can empathize. She’s feeling left out of the conversations regarding tolerance and diversity. However, her privilege is in the fact that her daughter doesn’t have that baggage and is able to seamlessly blend into the country and be seen as an American, and Ramona doesn’t quiet understand that the experiences of Blacks in America are different because they couldn’t blend in, they were always considered a distinct “other,” and their experiences were always based on their differences in skin color. Ramona needs a major history lesson and Ebony actually isn’t equipped to do it. I was hoping that Bershan could be that bridge to help Ramona understand better. Ramona is in her 60s, she is older, she needs her hand held and she needs to be guided into the understanding. Lea’s constant shrieking and Ebony’s finger wagging aren’t helping. Again, no excuse for Ramona bad behavior at dinner.
I am of the opinion that old people will never get it. And I am sort of old people and there are things I will never get. But if I was at dinner with Donald Trump as the host for some reason, I would never ever behave that rudely. I simply cannot see behaving that way. And if I was starving and Donald was serving literal shit, I would politely say I am not medically allowed to eat shit because I am highly allergic but it looks fabulous.
Looks like we were raised by the same type of parents. I can remember our family being invited to dinner by family friends and being told we would put a smile on our faces and eat whatever was given to us or face the wrath of angry Italian parents when we got home. Ramona’s behavior is out of control. It’s one thing to act like that in your own home or when you’re with your closest friends. Not acceptable, but passable if your friends know that you’re an idiot. It’s another thing altogether to act like that in someone else’s home — among people you’ve just met and who are trying to celebrate a religious holiday. It would have be so much more fun and educational if Ramona acted like an adult for once and just shut up and listened.
I really agree with this comment. I definitely think Ramona is socially awkward, sometimes borders on being a big fizzy douche, and certainly puts her foot in her mouth on the regular; but I also think she was probably taught to find the commonality instead of the difference and that it’s her version of empathy. I’m not even so sure she’s wrong.
But every attempt she does try to make is portrayed as clueless, racist and downright evil. I think she starts to shout because she gets frustrated and doesn’t feel like anyone cares what she has to say.
Which they decidedly do not.
I missed her saying she had gone to classes to convert for a guy but I would absolutely believe it. It’s not as uncommon in the tri state region as you would think-there are still plenty of Jews who won’t marry outside the religion. Seems pretty on brand to me, especially if the guy had money.
But I’ll assume nobody cared or heard her or just assumed she was making it about her.
We are not Jewish. But I attempted to keep kosher for a few years. My kid went to the Jewish preschool (amazing) and and it was a rule so I learned. I never went to classes or anything but they all taught me what I needed to know and I embraced it. She was the only non Jew in her class but they welcomed us with open arms. Our whole family joined the Jewish community center which was also amaze balls. This wasn’t like a ymca that anyone went to—it was like a country club where there was a LOT of money. I’m just telling you all that to explain how this region is really a melting pot and what might seem improbable just might not be.
I cannot believe this season has turned me into a RamonaStan and yet here we are…..
PortiaP, When did Ramona say her parents were immigrants? How did I miss this? I know her Dad was abusive but I don’t recall her being first generation.
Ramona is a wanna be. She grew up with nothing and has new money. She has no idea how to act in social settings, and is tolerated by her 60 best friends. She is abrasive and self centered and because she has some privilege now she is trying to erase her childhood with her fake friends and entitled attitude. 🙄
But my family was not particularly wealthy either. We were fortunate to have lots of great life learning experiences. I went to a wedding in Tripoli once where they killed a goat in front of me and I was like 7 or 11. And it was BRUTAL AND AWFUL and I I hid my tears and went with it or my mother would have beat the shit out of me. In the ride home we she gave me a long explanation about other cultures and how they need to be respected. Other than that I LOVED the experience and cherish it to this day. I will admit that I think of seeing an animal killed in front of me is the freshest memory. And the only reason I am bringing this up is Shabbat is a cultural experience. And in NYC, being Jewish is not really a new experience for most people. I love learning about other cultures and I would have been mesmerized. I as a viewer was so looking forward to this. But I fear this will never be a real Shabbat. 🙁
TT, I was permanently scarred by Bambi. How the EFF did you survive that??? I can’t even get thru the opening credits of Lion King without losing my shit!
Um, I personally think there are limits to what I should be required to accept of other cultures. If there is something about znother culture I find abhorrent, I am not going to just accept that. I am entitled, as is everyone, to have a set of standards.
I can accept if say for example it is a cultural norm to eat with hands rather than utensils. I reject and find inferior and repulsive blaming women for their own rapes and forcing them to marry their rapist to save the family honor.
I think we are getting way too carried away with this idea that we have to accept everything about other cultures otherwise we are “intolerant”. Screw that, I have a moral compass that I should not have to compromise for the sake of political correctness.
No she didn’t. Her father was a doctor. He was an asshole though but they had money.
Ramona’s father was not a doctor. Where did you get that idea?whoever her parents were, the neglected teaching her even the basics of proper behavior, she’s very low class and Nuevo Rico!
My mother grew up the daughter of Polish immigrants. Dirt poor…like crates for furniture and flour sack dresses poor. But her manners were impeccable. AS WERE HER PARENTS. Its not as if poor people or people from other countries cant have manners!!! Ramona has been amongst he so-called upper crust for years and can easily observe correct behavior. I think it has got to be shtick for the show.
Your story is reminiscent of mine, my aunt’s baby crib was sleeping in a dresser drawer. Because it’s all my grandparents had.
She’s just self absorbed and fixated on her own self, not how anyone else feels or thinks.
Oddly I do have a bit of a soft spot for her, but if I were her friend or colleague id need her in very small doses.
It’s the OGs who makes RHONY. Leah and Eboni are completely ruining the show.
“I’m sex positive and BS negative” … ok basic white b. This is literally Katie’s intro. I love sex. Sex. Sex sex sex sex. Aren’t I so edgy?! I’m so sex positive. So sex edgy!
Enter Brian Williams, sorry,‘Ebony Williams. Why the airs?! I understand Ebony was faking but the stories online prove that she’s a faker and a baiter.
The facts don’t lie … and the whole ‘black power’ ‘Black Sabbath’ dinner is a joke. .
Ebony is a fraud. She only dates Rich, WHITE, Jewish men.
Hi bravo, I see you. This whole preacher,
Every Single Scene, persona is just that, a persona. She is a liar, a con , an opportunist. No more, no less.
Hope you’re one and done – Ebony.
OK, my hubs family is from upper east side and they all act exactly the same as Ramona and Sonja and Eboni. That’s all I thought about watching this. It was like entering twilight zone being around them. We would go visit (we don’t live there and he hasn’t since he was in his 30’s) and it was exhausting being around them. First, all of them are VERY LOUD ALL THE TIME. Second, constant interruptions AND VERY LOUD ALL THE TIME. Third, constant inappropriate thins being said everywhere about everything. Fourth, his step mother (recently married to his dad the first time I met her) had a silver bell on the dinner table and during dinner she would ring it when she needed anything during a meal. WTF? The first time I witnessed this, I burst out laughing and couldn’t stop. It was like the final scene during moonstruck. Total absurdity. I couldn’t stand being around any of them. And so to think these idiots are being paid to act like this (or act like themselves) on a tv show makes me shake my head and realize I’ve missed nothing barely watching this season. And this includes all of them.
What does your husband say about this mess?
Why do you find using a bell so unusual ? It’s certainly nicer than yelling to the kitchen when you need something. We always used one when we had kitchen help.
Ramona was off the rails, but they were all awful. That dinner was a shit show. Disgraceful and inexcusable on all their parts.
Am I the only one thinking Eboni is a huge hypocrite forcing all the women to her PSA lectures so she can educate them inner wokeness? Yet she excludes the only other black cast member unapologetically. It comes of as opportunistic and that word describes her whole season to me.
As for Leah, the irony is not lost on me when she hatefully screams that Ramona is hateful. Ramona is not hateful she is ignorant and rude. It reminded me when she had a breakdown over Heather didn’t have AC in her Berkshires house and flew out to a Hamptons party.
I honestly think Ramona gets even ruder when she is nervous and gets defensive- it’s pretty weird but that’s what I see.
I don’t miss Dorinda. Leah and Eboni can’t leave fast enough. I have no pleasure at all in watching neither of them and I see their appearances as contrived and forced narrative.
I agree that Ramona’s behavior at dinner was rude and lacking in social graces. You are right Tamara, she was gobbling the snacks in the van on the way over. And knowing she was going to dinner later, who’s fault is it that she had not eaten all day? Self centered and entitled is her problem.
The scene with the realtor showing the apartment bothered me. First of all that dress was weird. She’s in her sixties and even though she has relatively nice legs, that dress was too short and the neckline was an immature Peter Pan type collar. Just because you have a nice figure does not mean you look good in everything IMHO. As usual, she rudely berated and hit the realtor who was acting as a mentor to her. A professional would know to work collaboratively with him in showing the apartment if he kept chiming in. Perhaps ask him if during the next showing she could try it by herself. She was up in his face with no regard to physical distancing.The whole scene bothered me. That reality company must just be working with her for the T.V. exposure. They can’t be taking her seriously.
Just because many UES people behave this way does not make it proper etiquette. Someone needs to gift her with a book by Emily Post.
I think this whole season would have been much better if Bershawn had been the official cast member instead of Eboni. Bershawn fits the “have fun” vibe of Housewives, not the preachy, teaching-moment Eboni.
Affirmative!
Ramona. Hear me out. I like her. I think she is a good person, underneath, inside of Ramona. She has been a good friend when needed. This behavior at Sabbat and elsewhere is I think is show driven. She has been on the show awhile, and she knows what she is willing to do and what she is not willing to do. She does not want to do politics. She does not want to do white supremacy. She is not going to be woke and self flagellate. She is Ramona. She knows its all a set up. So she is not being rude to her hostess, she is pushing back at production, when she gets up and walks into the kitchen for dinner.
Bravo is really missing the mark trying to address race on the show. They should start by casting someone that actually gets along with the cast. When Eboni entered Archie’s house you could see the joy on her face seeing someone she actually likes, in great contrast to the way she behaves around the cast where she fakes affection, respect and patience. Tackling sensitive and potentially embarrassing subjects doesn’t work between people that just don’t like each other.
The pacing is also off. Too much, too many episodes, too little humor. And then to give Leah free reign to capitalize on these issues in any way she can by causing as much vapid and insincere drama as she can, just weird.
Not to mention that they are making the cast uncomfortable too. It’s clear at this point that all (except Sonja) are feeling on edge. No wonder Ramona feels like production is setting her up, because they actually are whether they intend to or not. And Sonja should start worrying too because if she says “blacks and jews” one more time she’ll be in just as much trouble.
Why are so many people making so many excuses for Ramona’s horrible behavior at Archie’s house? If someone you don’t know came into your home and acted like that, would you think it was OK? She acted (and has been acting) like a spoiled 2 year old. If you don’t want to discuss certain topics, just don’t speak. Just pretend to be listening. Shabbat wasn’t about her. The hostess was attempting to show how much Jewish people and black people have in common. Ramona destroyed the evening by her obnoxious interruptions every time someone said something. I was looking forward to learning more about Shabbat and the traditions and Ramona just couldn’t control herself.
I am annoyed these NY women have no fashion game, and they knock us in the south for ours. Every episode is another costume party. When Dorinda, Tinsley and Bethenny left, they took elegance with them.
The entire cast needs to go. I tried to book at Dorinda’s (Not far from my family in CT, and my sister was going to go halfsies, but all dates are booked. Wah!! I’ve been to a Shabbat dinner and was lucky enough to be asked to open the door for Elijah, a ceremonial aspect. Certain foods are served in specific manner, I really enjoyed it. I was 15.
I cannot with these women anymore. Ramona has absolutely no redeeming qualities.
Ramona is truly insufferable. Ramona I have five words for you:
MARLO HAMPTON’S UNIVERSITY OF ETIQUETTE
Who here wants to pitch in to send Ramona to get schooled? Better yet, let’s transfer Ramona to RHOA and let those girls “assist” her with learning to be a human being that isn’t a complete moron.
Oh — my — god: The last episode was a brutal refresher course in the many shades of annoying that Ramona embodies. From her walk on the bridge with Bethenney and a thousand things before and since. Her brash squawking voice, ignorant malapropisms, cutesy, coy, and far-too-coquettish-for-64 (though still bug-eyed) glances and mannerisms, reminded how much she basically ruins the show.
The real estate segment was already the height of rudeness, shhhsh-ing and slapping her “mentor”, only surpassed by the even more rude, self-centered interjections at the Shabbat dinner. When early in the evening she said “I’m talking too much” and then hi-jacked the dinner, I got a vibe that she was on something or more of something or something new, more abrasive and aggressive than usual. And her appearance is fair game because SHE brought it up, talking about losing three pounds and fawning over herself in the mirror in front of people she just met. It’s obvious she feels she looks great for her age (aided by surgery), but there’s a weird stiffness in her torso that telegraphs her age. Brings back memories of her bow-legged “Turtle Time” dance on the dock. I know people in their mid 80s who are more lithe than she is. She really does remind me of a certain former Cheeto-in-Chief, she’s too dumb and egotistical to realize how mediocre she actually is.
Anyhoo, the main thing is her voice (and everything she says) hits my ear drum like an icepick.
I just watched this episode earlier today, and I am still waiting for my blood pressure to go down. I can’t remember ever being so annoyed by a RHONY episode. Between numerous references to “Black Shabbat,” Leah’s repeated interruptions and Ramona’s appalling behavior (what do you even call that pathetic display), I am beyond annoyed.
It’s a shame because it was an opportunity for anyone interested to learn a bit about Shabbat and what it represents. How is it that hard to simply stay seated, stay quiet for a few minutes and listen? Maybe they’ll be able to touch on it in the next episode, but I doubt that will go any better.
And I’m sorry, but really, Ramona? We’re supposed to feel sorry for you because you had Jewish classmates in college who didn’t like you? Was she seriously playing the victim over that? It’s never fun to feel excluded, but she was alienating everyone at that table by making the night all about herself.
Yes this episode was both messy and also a reminder of how good the OGs are love them or not. I was most interested in learning more about the dinner. Leah of course had to be extra even not being there. Now that there was an open seat why didn’t eboni invite bershan? Bershan has more fun and messy energy. Get it right bravo.
This whole idea of integrating the RH franchise is obnoxious. It isn’t an office or a school or a restaurant where you have to be inclusive, it’s supposed to be a group of FRIENDS. Bravo should quit forcing these fake “friendships.” Why is there no cry for a WHITE LADY on RHOA or RHOP or M2M? Because it would be FAKE! Ramona’s “collection” of friends is like a Pandora charm bracelet — I need one of these and one of these and they mean NOTHING to her but to make her look “nice.” And she is NOT NICE. Even to her “real” 50 girlfriends.
I grew up in a mostly white neighborhood in the SF Bay Area. I had no black friends because there were no black people around! At my first job at the Phone Company, I found myself the only white hippie girl invited to the homes and family functions of some Black, Mexican, East Indian, Chinese and Filipino coworkers. Why? Common interests. The universal unifiers — food and music. The Blacks loved that I loved Motown and they knew it was authentic because I knew all of the words. We went to music shows together. The other ethnicities APPRECIATED that at our pot lucks I was excited to try all of the different foods. I thought it weird that others did not. They invited me because I was the novelty white girl who would try every food and not act grossed out and insult their family. Whatever. I had whole new worlds open for me and I loved every minute of it.
As far as etiquette and manners … if you don’t know the formalities, PRACTICE THE BASIC — DO UNTO OTHERS! Treat people as you would like to be treated. Starting with THOU SHALT NOT SHIT on other people’s floors!
This recap & comments are so good. Now I have to watch this episode. The recap of Belie Deck the recap of RHOBH & now epic read of RHONY. T.T you are on fire 🔥. Now I have 3 shows to watch
Below sorry damn phone & no glasses ! Yikes! xo Marc
Marc, this season of Below Deck Med is one of the best of any Bravo shows in a very long time.
Yawn is no where near as bad as before. If I had never seen Malia and her underhanded acts on both of her last seasons, I would be voting her as best bosun, tied with sentimental fave Eddie.
The rest of the crew is my favorite ENSEMBLE ever. Just dump Lexie. She is THE WORST EVER. EVER. EVER!!! I would take Lazy Liz and Crazy Caroline and the one who pushed Hannah any day over Lexi/Satan. I am very fond of Chef Mat. As long as he stays on ship. I think if Lexi were gone, Mat would see much of his anxiety abate.
Even for Ramona this was over the top. And given everything she’s said and done over the years I’m surprised I’m saying that. How does this woman have any friends at all? I’m not counting her RHONY “friends” but RL ones. I couldn’t see spending time with her at all.
Women that don’t need a paycheck from Bravo make the best HWs. Leah and Ebony are wannabes, doing what they can on social media to keep their new jobs to support a lifestyle they would like to have.
Leah’s plastic surgery (courtesy of her bravo check) is awful. Her breasts literally look sewn together at the bottom.
Thank you for the recap. The comments here are what makes the show! Ramona is working hard for that paycheck. Where was Lu in all of this? Keeping quiet while your castmates are noisy won’t keep your job. I hope Dorinda and Tinsley come back. Goodbye to Ebony and Leah. Have to say Leah’s inappropriate outburst are part of her Bipolar. The perpetual teenager stuck in an adult body. Not good for her mental health.