OMG! I am all set for this RHOBH recap but did not do setups for Family Karma! Argh! I totally forgot that was tonight. I need a ladysitter! Okay here we go, I am still behind on Family Karma but lets get these bitches off to La Quinta, Garcelle, Erika and Crystal are apparently staying at a hotel rather than Kyle’s house. That seems weird but if it means we get less Crystal around my girls Sutton, I am all for it. I had no idea this was a triple recap night, I’ve just been fucking around all day.
Off To La Quinta
Thankfully they are not wasting any time getting on with the trip. It’s funny that Erika’s “clubhouse” is being emptied out because it is “an expensive she doesn’t need.” That was where she stayed on many nights. Allegedly. And she was not alone. Allegedly. I guess now her gentleman callers can come to the new fancy mansion. OMG. Erika is going to whine about “being on a budget.” THERE ARE ALLEGEDLY $36 million in her account. She really thinks she is going to sell this narrative because most of the hard stuff didn’t come out until either the very end of filming or after. This all makes her look ridiculous.
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Kathy wants to know if there is a bellman to carry in her luggage to her sister’s house. Kathy did apparently have a driver. I thought she said she drove herself, but I must have misunderstood. Or maybe that was Dorit’s driver? Sorry I can’t look at the screen that much. Kyle, Rinna and Dorit learn that at least two million dollars of victim payments was stolen by Tom. They seem shocked. Is Kathy drinking out of a vase? I’m sort of over her highly calculated slapstick. Dorit knows what that is like. She’s had her accounts frozen as well. Also, Tom’s attorneys are about to claim he has Alzheimer’s disease.
Erika Arrives To Spin A Few More Tales…
Everyone flocks to hug Erika. Everyone cries for poor Erika. PULEASE. I know they don’t know what we know now at the time of filming, but still. Let’s wait and see if Erika every once this season says that she feels badly for the widow and children whose money was stolen. Kathy wants Erika to talk to Robert Shapiro. Erika says she knows Bob very well. That makes him suspect as well, Kathy. Erika said that Tom could not see or hear well. Girlfriend, that is not Alzheimer’s. Dorit tries to make it all about her. Sutton talked about her father’s suicide two days before Christmas. I love Sutton for being supportive. But I also know that her ex-husband was UBER wealthy and not a criminal. So it makes sense she might have signed things. Also he was not transferring millions of dollars into her multiple LLCs.
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Erika is claiming she has not spoken to Tom at all. But that didn’t stop her from opening YET ANOTHER LLC that allegedly received MILLIONS of dollars from Tom and/or the firm. I love when Kyle says that she is making all this food for people who don’t eat. Rinna comes out in a sequined jumpsuit. Dorit helps Kathy get her luggage to the room. Kyle drops her spices. No one knows how to sweep. I cannot sweep or mop. My mother and sister used to always mock me. IT’S A REAL IMPARMENT! I know what it looks like, but she I try to model that, it doesn’t work. I am the worst housekeeper in the world. My mom used to show up at the most inopportune time and do that. I need a maid.
Erika Jayne Is SO CALCULATED
I love that Erika Jayne says that she will do anything to cleanse except go to confession. She’s southern. So it is HIGHLY unlikely she is Catholic. Tom says he is not paying spousal support. Probably because she is ALLGEDLY sitting on $36 million dollars. Erika says she doesn’t know if there is anything to get. Probably because she already has it all. Erika says he should turn in his bar card and stop practicing. Oddly enough, he was still giving very lucid speeches about this time. I don’t believe for a minute that she is no in communication with Tom. Rinna points out that Tom was very lucid the last time she talked to him a year earlier.
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Now suddenly Tom is mean as fuck. She is now saying that Tom’s car accident which was much worse that she said at the time. I am not believing this and neither is Sutton. Then she says she assumed when he didn’t come home he was with some other woman. This is clearly throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. I can’t with this. Seriously. Erika’s “you guys have no idea what I have been living through.” PLEASE. She had her own relationships. Allegedly. Now she is saying she went through his phone and found out he was cheating. This is all fiction. They ALLEGEDLY had an agreement. That was what her “clubhouse” was for ALLEGEDLY, for her liaisons.
Rinna manages to bring up Scott Disick. Because Rinna. And we get a fabulous midseason preview.
Erika is full of shit. The more I see of her this season, the more obvious it is. I guess she really thought this would help her get away with it. Instead, she looks guiltier than ever… And even worse, it looks like Ron Richards is now on a mission to expose skeletons in other RHOBH cast members’ closets.
It’s about damned time we get the closet tours we really want and need.
Who is Ron Richards?
To put it in the most basic terms, Ron Richards is a specially appointed lawyer / trustee to find out what Tom Girardi did with certain money that he won on behalf of his clients, that he then did not pass on along to those clients. This money is now “missing” (ie misdirected towards funding Erika Jayne’s career.) Ron Richards is going down the rabbit hole to find out where it went, who it went to (Erika) and then he is going to try and recover that money.
LoL There are so many bones in the closets too. Boy oh boy, I can’t wait. Yes, Erika is full of shit and she is going to jail. She’ll do 18 months.
Ron Richards is related to Kyle? Must be a family member
Ron Richards is NOT related to Kyle. Jesus.
š Is she not allowed to choose her own representation?
lmao TT I “felt” your eye roll at that
I was kidding
HA! Closet tours indeed! Is Neneās next? Erika was really on a roll tonight. Like TT said, throw it all against the wall and see what sticks. Sheās obviously a liar, either before saying Tom was so wonderful, or now. Probably both.
she thought she was better than everyone else, the tough girl is getting her comeuppance, say bye to the glam squad
Erika is clearly trying to establish the narrative to protect Tom and herself in their lawsuits. We are supposed to forget everything we saw of Tom in past seasons and just accept that he was some demented, angry husband? This is all so transparent and goes to show that Erica and Tom are not as smart as they think they are.
Long time lurker. This episode was so ridiculous I had to comment.
I’m tired of Erika’s theatrics. Her dramatic car accident story kept changing and the way she spoke, slowly and methodically, it was for dramatic effect. I wouldn’t have bought any of her stories, so I don’t understand how the ladies are so supportive when she keeps telling lie after lie. At one point Erika asked, where did the money go? My first reaction was, b!t$#, you spent it all on your glam team! You know, the friends you bought! I saw in the previews at the end that Sutton challenges her story and I’m glad someone is doing that. There is a future scene of Erika crying with a full face of makeup on and I think it’s a joke. This is the ice queen who never shows emotion, yet she’s laying it on real thick. Literally not one natural tear was ever shed that wasn’t wiped away so she’s overacting.
I would have busted out laughing. That story.
The dramatics with her hand over face Lolololol.
Welcome to the peanut gallery!
Maybe weāre more like they Greek chorus.
I hope you post often now that youāve jumped in.
I see she chose the waterproof mascara this week šš
I thought the same thing. The mascara was day 1. Now we are at day 2 dramatic face grab. Will she have weak knees and need to be seated next? Cannot wait!
Back of the hand to the forehead! Such theatrics!
I think we need to start a game of Pretty Mess Bingo!! Sample squares could be things like:
Cries with running mascara
Cries without running mascara
She changes her story
She dramatically gets the vapors
She complains about her small house
She faints
She mentions having no staff
She works with her glam squad (even though she doesnāt have any āstaffā anymore. Allegedly!)
She introduces yet another new narrative about Tom
Etc etc etc š
Omg yes!! But call it self absorbed mess bingo. I donāt even want to give the pretty part – bc itās all make up, and her souls seems the opposite of pretty. Maybe petty
Her story about Tomās accident was clearly either entirely made up, or the reality of it was changed to fit her dramatic new narrative.
She contradicted herself when she first said she found Tom, which is how he allegedly found out he was in an accident. What was she doing at this cliff, she just happened to be there when he went over?
Then, she goes on to say she found out about the accident because Tom called her and told her about it.
Did anyone else catch this discrepancy?
They all jump on Erikas side but attacked Denise. Why?? Cuz they were so jealous of Denise. Kathys trying too hard to be odd. Itās getting annoying. And I believe nothing out of Erikas mouth re $. Sheās full of it. Will this whole season be about the trials of poor erika??
I totally agree about Kathy….her “Richie Rich Ol’ Lady” schtick is annoying. “I don’t drive my own car, carry my own bags or know how to clean up glass, I just scrub it into the floor with a grill brush – look, I’m so funny and quirky!” I have an idea of where she can shove that humongo candle…..
I am counting the days Erikunt! Counting the days…..
Lets her dogs shit in Hilton hotel suites for the housekeepers to clean up, according to House of Hulton.
I’m sure she would look at a pooper scooper and say, “Well, what do you do with this? Will it straighten my hair? BWHAHAHA – I’m so adorably rich!” lol
Gross. Peopleā¦.cats use litter boxesā¦.take you damn dog out. They arenāt indoor poopers. How your treat hotel housekeeping means a lot to meā¦.do you leave a tip? Do you leave gross shit lying around? (Or be like most of us and kinda keep your stuff in pilesā¦..)
Yes and Scott Disick!
They are being good friends. Erika has always been so guarded, itās the first time sheās let them in. This is totally how I behaved when I left a controlling narcissistic man. I could be transparent about how it really was.
Iāve been so busy I havenāt seen the evidence against her. Iāll say innocent until proven guilty. For now. And she did mention widows and orphans in that the man she trusted would steal from them.
LOL.
How can you have an opinion at all without reading the facts. Just because you haven’t read them doesn’t make her innocent. It just make you ignorant of the facts.
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I was completely transparent about being ignorant of the facts, and did not have an opinion. Innocent until proven guilty is a fact, not an opinion.
You have been right so many times, I wouldnāt come here if I did not respect your opinion.
Also yesterday was the 5 year anniversary of Terryās passing; I had a melancholy but emotionally productive day. I kind of have closure. I hate these new terms! Iām such a boomer.
This disheartens me. Since when is agreeing I donāt have the facts, said I didnāt in my original comment a subject to such ridicule?
And I did share what a hard day yesterday was. Oohh Burn T! That REALLY made me feel shitty Ktina.
I used to feel safe here-
Iām sorry for your loss. I hope you have a better day. Hugs.
Lemonade stand w my 3 gdaughters today! š Definitely a better day- Thank You
I wrote something ā¦.. the. Accidentally clicked the moving guys banner!!!! Ug
Iām sorry you had a sh*tty relationship. Iām glad your out of that. I hope your improving your strength and finding grounding.
Erika is a tough Subject bc she was very loud about being rich, needing no female friends and choosing a smart powerful husband. She displayed her wealth in a gross manner (and turns out it wasnāt really hers)
Itās hard to understand when you mention innocent until guilty – bc a lot of information about how she is choosing not to follow court orders on assets is in the public domain. Sheās kept selling her clothes on a resale sight months after being asked to stop (by court).
I think itās prob a gut reaction to give the āeye rollā for a lot of us who are aware of how she isnāt obeying court ordersā¦.so itās the lack of looking for the info that feels like willful ignorance (or being a busy person!).
I appreciate your response. The controlling husband (father of my children) is alive and we are very cordial. The husband who died I married after getting divorced 13 years ago. Terry who died was my soulmate.
I have educated myself on Erikaās non disclosures. Does she only have Richards, or does she get to choose representation? I would definitely agree, if you have $$$ you got from Gerardi, give it up it doesnāt belong to you.
Her being flashy and in your face was when she (I believe) did not know he was stealing the money she was spending is just something she was used to. Wtf do I know. I just always liked her.
Thanks.
Nancy, Richards is not her attorney. The super short version, He is the attorney basically assign to go through her documents and find the assets to liquidate for the victims.
She has her own team of attorneys working for her.
Iām sorry. I didnāt know. Didnāt mean to make you feel worse. Hope your days get better!
Ooh! Burn! Nice one T!
That car accident story was so full of holes. He was in a coma for 12 hours–she says she knows because she found him. How would she know how long it had been? He drove off a cliff but then it was that he fell out of a car. Then he called her…when he was unconscious? Confused. Looks like Sutton is going to call her on some of her stuff. I feel like Rinna is keeping Erika at arms length, not getting too involved. Probably wants to keep the gloss business above the fray.
Again, why is Dorit on this show? We get yet another packing scene with her kids. After that, she’s just a lot of wide-eyed, mouth-agape reaction shots whenever someone’s telling a story. It’s so Heidi & Lauren from the open of The Hills.
I would have thought Erika could get through at lease ONE bullshit story without contradicting herself every five minutes. I clearly overestimated her intelligence or at least her ability to sustain a lie.
I think sheās drugged. She said she was on antidepressants but l think sheās adding other stuff. Just a guess.
I was on antidepressants and if she was really on them then she wouldn’t cry like she did in the past episode and be happy drinking champagne the next scene. Antidepressants don’t make you “drugged” where you can’t remember your story. They make you feel calm, not so emotional. She is very emotional compared to how we have seen her in the past. She is being calculated, working on her acting skills and trying to see what stories the ladies believe so she can use them in court.
Omg yes, this. She never had any emotions before and now that she’s on antidepressants she’s always crying. Yeah, right.
Joey, what antidepressant were you on that didn’t make you feel drugged? They make me feel like a zombie.
Love your explanation of anti depressant (they make my life better). My comments are being crazy today. Like myself
Omg. Iām sorry about my messy comments.
Tried lexapro ? Itās good for anxiety/depression. Sometimes people will put it with another one to help energy levels.
I think key is to try them for at least a couple Months. Youāll feel wacky for a couple weeks bc body needs to adjust. My brain needs them :/. Some people need them situationally – my life is my situation ;). Iāve taken for a long long time.
Lexi pro wasa gift from heaven until they made the generic version. It sucked and I stopped
Love your explanation of anti depressant (they make my life better).
Totally with everyone on her acting chops – sheās trying , but itās about as good as her singing.
Not in defense of Erika, but I have to respectfully disagree about the effects of antidepressants. You can still be VERY emotional on antidepressants. It entirely depends on the person, their state of mind, and what they are going through. There is no one standard reaction to these types of medications. That said, Erika has to know that she benefitted from the settlements that were awarded to Tom’s clients. Maybe she did not know at the time (???), but surely she knows NOW and should forfeit and money that rightfully belongs to others.
Donāt drink and lie, kids.
Why is no one mentioning that first episode where she said how WONDERFUL quarantine was?? āTom and I had dinner together every night and talked and talked and it was so nice because it was just the two of us!ā????!!
3 more episodes in and now itās āHeās insulting me.ā
āHe canāt hear.ā
āHe was mean to me.ā
āHe made snide comments about me.ā
Come on!! Not one of the wives noticed this shift in her narrative??
Omgā¦.Bc Erika is full of her hotel sh*tying dogs poop!!! She is sooo concerned with how people view her she changes it constantly. If you look very that cheating old hubby – stand by – donāt change your tune 180 a year later bc youāll look better. Full of sh*t
I just want to say I don’t believe Erika about the money at all. But I looked that crazy when with a man like Tom. I didn’t know what my own opinion was. I wasn’t allowed to have any. It really is a brainwashing, so I’ll give her that she was making the best of it to tell herself it was fine to stay for the money. But she’s guilty. And I don’t buy Tom’s dementia BS. Nor the car accident story. The thing that resonates with me in the doc, that was so like my ex, is he tells the young burn victim (whose money he stole) that he’s a good guy. If you’re a good guy, you don’t need to tell people that.
Dorit isn’t bad this year, shes like a tacky couch in your grandmother’s house. You can’t sit on it, just something to look at. I have enjoyed her wide eye looks this year as Erica spins her stories.
Agree wholeheartedly.
Erica face looked so different from the scene at the restaurant with Kyle. Erica’s story about the car accident is completely made up. Let’s see the police report and insurance claim and then decide. Erica’s stories have more holes then swiss cheese. She is so narcissist she believes she can fool us.
There is a rumor that Erica gave Rinna $5 million to help start her makeup line. Maybe this is why Rinna is die-hard Erica.
Seems like Kyle is too. At dinner, it was almost like Erika called her beforehand and told her to ask a few leading questions and bring up old shit. Remember you told me this, Erika? – and then this happened, remember? – oh yeah, you did say that awhile ago!
Why was Kyle her narrator? Semmed forced and planned…..
I think Rinna is worried that all her skeletons will be let out of the closet if she doesn’t support Eirka. Plus, as you say, the so-called investment in the lipstick line.
They all have skeletons and fear disclosure. Plus they are all disingenuous and will rally around a clearly lying co-star to keep the story going and the light off them.
I was laughing when someone mentioned Kyle’s OTT open-mouth reactions to Erikas bullshit stories. And Dorit as well. Acting at their “best.” They are jokes. And this fawning and wide mouthed reactions is a slap in the face to the real victims.
Just to insert a few facts…
Someone started a bullshit rumor about Erika investing in Rinna’s company.
And I know for sure that Kyle is shocked by all the news coming out, yet, she kind of wants to be in denial. This is REAL TIME not on the episodes.
I do think that during filming the women were told repeatedly, these are allegations. etc. I think Kyle, Rinna, and whoever sticks by her did so for those reasons. I also know they are questioning thing NOW. Not sure if it was before or after the literal handholding shots for IG with their little 12yr old girl “team name” and motto, but I do know that eventually a puppies eyes open.
I also think they have to be smarter than they appear on the show with even limited information and will scramble not to be associated with Erika eventually. NOT DURING THIS FILMING SEASON. But next will be all about WHO COULD HAVE KNOW ABOUT ERIKA BEING A FELON BY BRAVO?
But Erika has put all of them in a VERY bad situation. Think about it. If you were filming at TV show with your “friends” and someone was accused of all the shit she did, what would you do? I imagine most people would just go with the fake (but not scripted) plans for the show.
They are going to definitely regret that whole hand holding shit on IG.
Dorit staunchly defends Erika, and now, as Tamara has reported here several times, Dorit’s own debt issues are being widely reported. She owes the IRS #1.3 million? My guess is that those who defend Mrs. Girardi most vigorously are they, themselves, feeling guilty about their own grifts.
TT, I hope I haven’t violated your posting rules with this message.
Dorit and PK are riding on unpaid taxes and other sneaky moves. They donāt have the money they display -ā¦ā¦.like a lot of people IRL. People! Live within your means and/or save money. Go shop at consignment stores. Blah blah. Iām on a roll today. Omg. I am procrastinating cleaning
But but but!!!
Ron Richards has āallegedlyā found issues with Rinnaās finances. Maybe people put two and two together and came up with 5.
Nevertheless, heās going after Rinna now about finances regarding her lipstick line. He hasnāt disclosed if Erika is the one behind her financial discrepancies, just pointing out that Rinnaās financials areā¦problematic.
He found the lawsuit but that is the extent to Rinnaās financial issues.
Being willfully blind is a coping mechanism. We have IRL friends who were in a messy affair with another friend blah blahā¦.guess what – everyone except me and my loud questions – pretended it wasnāt happening, itās not true. My husband said āstay outā. I think there is a willingness not to get in others mess – bc itās just fun to drink w them.
My ārealā IRL friends who have hubby issues – take action, change behaviors, or they arenāt my friends. I donāt deal w shit well.
So you either pretend itās not there and listen with shocked face – or you start to perk up and say āwtfā if this mess, what are you doing ?
Oh real life ā¦.. thank god Iām not involved in this mess. Got my own !
I don’t mind Kathy’s oddities, she can be funny, and I’m enjoying watching her and Kyle get along. Now Erika, she was a diva and played the part very well, but now miss diva has blossomed into a very pathetic drama queen. She walked in there ready for all the ladies to rush by her side, with all the hugs and sad faces just for her. I can’t wait til the ladies get it all figured out and possibly want nothing to do with her, but first they all need to call her on her bullshit. Especially with her and her empty threats, like really. If the choice is to continue sucking up to this calculated liar because they are afraid of her, that’s crazy, just lock your doors and don’t answer. I would love to know what LVP is thinking about all of this, I’m sure she has a head full of one liners.
I WAS enjoying Kathy’s kookiness until it seemed to be targeting Sutton… Also I see now why Erika Jayne comes for Sutton later this season. Sutton KNOWS she is full of shit. The others have chosen to go along to get along with her. They seem afraid of her. Or maybe they truly don’t want to abandon their “friend.” But has ERIKA EVER been a friend to anyone on this show? NOPE. So why are they pandering to her NOW? IDGI.
Yes I was too. But then Kathy started the bs all over at Rinna’s party. The hunky dory comment was ill timed at best. It started the bs for Sutton all over again. It was mean and it was wrong.
I had to rewatch that. At first, I just thought it was Kathy being kooky, āwhoās Hunky Dory?ā I didnāt think of it as a jab toward Sutton. Then, I rewatched, and though dammit I liked you, donāt be a bitch. Sometimes being a bitch is necessary, BUT NOT TO SUTTON., EVER! Sutton just seems like a sweet, genuine classy lady.
Agree, at the beginning, Kathy was a new personality who seemed harmless. But she is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. She is mean and hides behind that demeanor to get her digs in. Sutton is in her sites, I assume because of her BFF Christol. She was jabbing Kyle quite a bit last night and Kyle was doing her best to laugh it off. But one could see the history of Kathy ruling the other sisters with an iron fist.
Idgi either UNLESS, they have invested, hidden, helped her. Hmmmm.
I m looking at Mario and PK. What is it with “Mario smoking a blunt talking bullshit” with PK.being “so drunk”?
Odd, and they seem shady. I think that we are going to hear more about them.
Mario has firms worldwide. Just gut feeling.
Note: there is nothing wrong with smoking a blunt and being drunk. Just that is a close friend. Not business meeting.
I hate that relationship too, but the blunt is legal and liquor is Mauricioās drink of choice. That is a happy man. Kyle is the model wife, keeping it all together while her man provides and parties. Iām not that nice. š
I donāt understand the friendship thing either. Before this happened, you never saw Erika hanging out with Rinna Dorit or Kyle outside of shooting HW. There were no social media posts together. Erika even made the comment in prior seasons that she doesnāt have close women friends. Now all of a sudden they are Fox force five and she and Rinna are Thelma and Louiseā¦nope not buying it. They are obviously all working an angle for the show. Unfortunately they are on the wrong side. When Erika goes down for this they will spin it that they were lied too and how could Erika deceive them like this. It will be very dramatic and they will be the victims and all discuss at length securing them another season on the show.
Mario is a salesmanā¦.aPK will pump up his ego. Mario can take PK/dorit to properties and they can ride on coat tails You want to sell a 10 mil property in punta mita mexico – you bring a party to it. Dorit and PK will happily join and socialize. Friendship of BS and convenience. Itās not substance
Iām bordering on possible comment issuesā¦.butā¦.House of Hilton by jerry Oppenheimer is a juicy and informational read of Hilton family past. It sheds a lot of light on how the three daughters were used for big kathys benefit and pay rolled her life.
Paris Hilton has a new cooking show and acts exactly like Kathy. I think it’s legit. Or she copied her mom?
I donāt believe anything Erika is blabbing about.
Itās all very calculated.
Letās not forget that Tom is a top notch litigation attorney. He is ruthless. There is not one word coming out of Erikaās mouth that has not been scripted and rehearsed. They are using her Housewife platform to set up his incompetent defense. Itās all BS.
Yep! And it is failing miserably.
Oh come on, Tom drove off a cliff, may or may not have flown out the car. Broke his shoulder, ankle, passed out for 12 hrs, totally plausibleš¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
Lol!
Rinna stop promoting your daughter by bringing up Scott’s name at every turn. It’s no secret that Rinna has been wanting her own version of KUWTK on bravo… It ain’t gonna happen!
Oh Erika, you need to stop with all your FAKE, I’m a victim, boo-hoo-ing, all the while dripping in diamonds, wearing design duds and carrying LV bags. It’s not a good look.
Yes, that annoys me. We had a concrete guy who did our spec houses we built. We thought a lot of him, and I recommended him to a friend. He said he went to bid the job. Her Lexus was in the driveway, and she was dripping in her diamonds. She had one Diamond ring that was huge. He said the whole time she went on & on about being a single mother, being divorced, needed a break, couldnāt he do it for less, etc. She could afford it. He said it was insulting. He was supposed to cut his price so that she could maintain her lifestyle. People like that are sickening. I was embarrassed.
The wealthiest poeple are often times the cheapest. It’s how they stay rich….BLAH!
All these celebrities getting free swag, dinners, trips, gifts…and they are the ones that can actually afford those things. So much for us little guys!
Could you imagine your 18/19 ur old dating a 40yr old? Thatās gross
Glad to see Erika found the waterproof mascara later in the seasonā¦. *SMH*
I wanted to see more of Suttonās mom. That would be an interesting addition to the show
I loved Sutton’s mom and was shocked to see her on the show. I figured she would be mortified by it all.
That was a strong woman and makes me think if Sutton was raised by her thereās a lot of strength we havenāt seen yet.
So well said! Sutton is a treasure! I also liked her mom very much. Also, yes TT, it is now clear why EJ attacks Sutton at some point later in the season. All of the drama is so contrived with EJ. It is impossible not to see. I recall Andy Cohen saying at some point earlier this year that everyone would be shocked at EJ’s sincerity and emotion. It is the exact opposite. It is a third class acting job at best and you can literally see her to build a story.
I’m insulted that Bravo and Andy Cohen thought that we would buy this. “EJ’s sincerity and emotion.” Give me a break. It makes you wonder how they are going to spin Jen Shah.
I can’t wait to see Jeh’s black mascara dripping down her face. At least she cries whenever she doesn’t get her way. LOL. Erika went from “ice queen” to sad clown.
Amen! Loved her mom and her honesty about her husband. You can tell she went through a lot with him.
Sutton is my favorite housewife.
I canāt believe Erika flat out admitted she knew Tom was cheating on her years ago but stayed with him because of the money. The reason I canāt believe it is because this shows she knew that money had dried up/would be drying up BEFORE she filed for divorce because she literally said on tv tonight that she was willing to stay in a loveless marriage BECAUSE OF THE MONEY. Thus, she clearly knew the money was going to dry up or had dried up and thatās why she filed for divorce (she literally admitted that he had been disrespecting her and sleeping with other women for years). And it seems even more likely that when she got back from Palm Springs, Tom told her they needed to get divorced to hide whatever money/assets he still had. Either that, or she found out there was no money and left him.
Exactly. You said it all.
Her trying to float the idea she left bc he cheated, was mean, and heās incompetent is complete and utter bullshit.
I would have been more sympathetic at the time, before the rest of the shit came out, if she said, āsome shit is going down that I canāt talk about and I had no choice but to file for divorceā.
Now that more facts and court judgements have been revealedā¦.she has no leg to stand on.
Literally the only verifiable thing she said is that Tom had an accident a few years ago and broke his ankle. The whole unconscious for 12 hours thing was bullshit. And to claim that was the beginning of his decline might have some truth on the physical side, But the man was giving speeches right up to his being served, and afterward, and those in attendance said he was totally lucid and gave great speeches.
So it wasn’t until he knew he was going down that the Alzheimer’s excuse surfaced.
I believe she got in trouble w courts for posting the Judge name and info – the lady Tom
Supposedly had multi year affair.
Erika was harnessing judge.it appeared she went on a drunk social media spree and sent pictures of text and womanās name
The yarn spun tonight was fabulously unreal. Great episode, the pills she’s on are doing wonders, if only they could give her truth serum. I bet every lady up there is just thanking their lucky stars it’s not them! I just realized we didn’t get the boring crystal violation cat fight, maybe that’s the real reason I enjoyed tonight!! Btw my hubby thought Family Karma was Summer House, I should have said hun their are no butt shots, wrong showš¤Ŗ
Kyle hugging Erika with the dish towels and the tag still on! Lol
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Over Ericaās poor little rich girl act! Her day is coming and itās not gonna be good. Iām a little confused because she started bitching about a pool bill but has money for Mikey? The numbers are not adding up! I wish Kyle wouldve be supportive to Kim The way she is to Erika. Overall good episode, The midseason trailer look good! Still thinking they are slowly editing Dorit out like they did to taylor (S.3) and Teddi (S.10). Now that the ladies are in La Quinta, all I can think of is āYOU STOLE MY GOD DAMN HOUSEā
Kyle allegedly pays for Kimās apartment sheās in now. Iāve read that several times. Kyle has helped Kim a lot over the years.
People call it an apartment, but it is a lovely condo in Encino, and apparently, Kyle and Maurico bought it for her shortly after her shoplifiting incident. I’m not sure why this is news all over again. But, yes Kyle bought Kim’s house which is quite nice and comes with lawn maintenance and other help.
Kim bankrolled her entire family since she was a little girl. Hope Kyle continues to take care of Kim ad infinitum. It’s the right thing to do. Kyle is a really good sister. Kim needs support peace love & understanding. I wish them both well. Kathy is a hoot ! More Kathy please !
Yes, and Kim suffered horribly with abuse from producers, etc which their mother condoned. Kyle 100% owes her ad inf.
Glad to learn Kyle purchased the house Kim lives in. I wonder whose name is on the deed — do Kyle and Mauricio own it?
It certainly raises my opinion of kyle to hear these things. Glad she is using her new(ish) wealth to help family. And appreciate it’s not being publicized.
LOL at her “Newish” wealth. Yes she own it. It was purchased right after all the shoplifting at Target rehab stuff. I think she was living on another property she (I think) rented for her then, and they came took her dangerous dog away after it bit eleventy billion people. So that didn’t go well.
Great recap. Now I don’t have to sit thru it. I would rather watch Denise Richard’s sit on the couch with her husband & her children than this shit show. I love Kathy hope she is a full timecdiamond holder next season. Goodbye Erika. Goodbye Rinna ( whom I adored before# Brandigate ) Goodbye Crystal. Keep Kathy Kyle Garcelle & Sutton. Lawd her my prayer.
Is it just me? Did Erika say she found Tom after 12 hours and then changed it to he called her??? I have to watch it again but it seemed like she was changing the story as she told it. And nobody at that table was thinking BS???
I heard the same contradiction! You didn’t imagine it.
If he tumbled down the ācliffā
Then maybe she did have to hunt for him
ROFLMAO. Really?
He was under the hydrangea bush! Thank goodness it wasnāt the prickly pear!
Erika is truly entertaining. Too bad she canāt act.
I want to know if it was pink, blue or white hydrangea!!! Real details!!
Right? He was unconscious. He called her from a ditch. She went searching for him when he didn’t come home. He broke this. He broke that. What a lying liar she is. To what end?
Gotta admit itās hard to feel sorry for Erika considering how much she flaunted her wealth in the past – the clothes, the glam, jewels, private jets, $40K a month for EJ. IF the story of her marriage is true, itās understandable why she developed the āIce Queenā personae. Personally I feel the truth is somewhere in the middle of the scenario – she knew some things but not all. But considering how serious these allegations are and compare them to the allegations against Denise, well obviously one is serious & the other not so much. But look how they rally around E but set out to destroy Denise. Of course with Denise Rinna saw her storyline & grabbed on to it because thatās who she is. Will she do the same as more info comes out about Erika? Doubt it.
And as delightful as Kathy seems to be, Iām not really buying her cluelessness. I think itās a personae she adopting for this show to keep a focus on how ākookyā she is instead of anything deep. Doubt she will accept a ādiamondā next year. Sheās in the catbird seat – included but not inclusive. Nothing with her family, business, etc.
Dorit is basically just a walking billboard.
I don’t mind Dorit in the role of walking billboard. I always enjoy seeing what she’s wearing. It’s a welcome diversion from the Erika Girardi mess, and the Crystal/Sutton ongoing saga.
Kathy is the one who is medicated. She has that vacant look, not ruffled by anything, difficulty following a train of thought…..that combined with some learned helplessness from being pampered her whole life. If you forget her history she is entertaining to watch.
Erika, Erika, so many lies….Do they really care about her or do they just care about the drama? The nicer they are to her, the more she will spew lies.
Every time she laments about her lost income and closing her bachelorette pad, I think of that poor burned kid, not getting a dime, and Tom just going out of his way to bullshit him.
Re Kathy – she might appear pampered but she went through childhood hell. Sheās a character and has done well
In life. Iām sure her life isnāt charmed as it appears.
I have to look for one of these books or articles on Kathy with the real backstory. Keep seeing references to a juicy history of some sort and my curiosity is piqued.
Omg!! I hope you have comment notifications turned onā¦.book called house of Hilton by jerry Oppenheimer. It will give you what you want and youāll never look at Hilton/Richard the same. Those girls/women have overcome a very bizarre childhood
Did Erika throw Yolanda and Davidās reason for divorce out there while telling her tales? Letās not lose this in all the other stories! Erika said āafter what happened with Yolanda and David, I decided to go through Tomās phoneā (and she found an affair. It sure infers that Yolanda found a something, something on Davidās phone, no? Just adding a PS to this, wives usually find a way to start looking at the financials, even if they havenāt been too involved before, when they find evidence of affairs, too.
In the past, David has said he will never disclose the real reasons for the divorce. Yolanda has eluded to the show and her illness, it David has said thatās not it.
One more thing. Letās say we take some of what Erika is saying at face value. She sees him declining all the way back to the auto accident and finds at least one affair, but she stays. A few years later, she leaves and is talking about leaving, because of his decline and not getting help being the last straw. If youāre the wife of a lawyer, surely you know or can talk to plenty of people who know thatās when you āhatch a planā to talk to medical social workers his doctors, lawyers and other family members, as necessary, to take the steps to see whatās wrong or proceed with conservatorships yourself if heās incapacitated (rather than divorce). Thatās why this is very suspect, beyond everything else being reported now.
Maybe, because she did it so fast that no one has time (and at the holidays) to question her?
Also, who wouldn’t hire a private investigator? She had the means.
Your man is cheating, call Yolanda lol jk, get the $, read receipts, get a private investigator!! I never had to but love true crime lol.
Oh, and get in the safe deposit box, and the safe.š
If he was suffering from dementia and still rich she would have stayed!
She could have just made sure heās comfortable and well cared for and go have free reign to do what you want, answer to no one and have total control of the purse strings.
But thatās not what happened. Heās broke and in trouble and sheās a big reason why heās in troubleā¦
So she tried to leave out the back door and take that pile of cash with her!
He’s not currently broke, but he is about to be when the bankruptcy trustees take all of his money AND “hers.”
NO NO NO! Erika is NOT the reason Tom is in trouble. TOM is the reason. He was probably doing unethical things long before he met Erika, on a smaller scale. She was the beneficiary of his theft, but not the reason. She’s a POS, but not the reason. IMO,
That is the reason I am having trouble with Erika’s story. At one point in time she made a statement that she planned to stay with him until the very end. Now she is leaving him because he is in decline? Not adding up. Okay let’s say he was cheating too. No one can convince me that she was not too. Clearly there are other reasons…1) He is in legal trouble. 2) He may be having money issues. 3) She is helping to hide assets. It is hard to see it any other way?!
Not buying the poorly acted spin queen Erica. She is truly trying to make up evidence to support her case. Here comes the spin that he isnāt right, the defense canāt say Dementia as there is evidence that he is lucid and giving speeches before he was charged. Dementia comes in as a slow burn, not fast. The only way to squirm out of things is an Alzheimerās diagnosis, which can be quick, 1-2 yrs, but not that quick. Hope the prosecution blows that out of the water by trying to get medical records. Plus it was his Psychiatrist who diagnosed him with Alzheimerās, girl please, nope. It is complex to diagnose Alzheimerās and a Neurologist or PCP orders a panel of blood test, MRI, scans looking for Tau or amyloid proteins and/or a lumbar puncture looking for tau and NF light chain proteins as well as low amyloid-beta. A Psychiatrist does not order that work up, they may assume, but you canāt diagnose based on assumption.
The car accident was another example of the āhe is illā changing story, He was out for 12 hours, but he called you, you found him unconscious, girl bye. What is he calculating, philandering, mean, or old and ill?
All the money is gone, Tom doesnāt pay me a cent, but he put $$ in your LLC and the defunct firm is still paying into it, now a new LLC to try and keep your ill gotten gains?
Sutton is lovely, you can see the cogwheels turning and her figuring out that something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
Tired of these women supporting Erica, who may not have been fully cognizant of her husbandās thievery, but certainly still tries to hide and keep her monetary āgiftsā as well as try and sell āgiftsā that were bought with clients settlement money.
She is alway in full glam, not to poor to keep shelling out money for that. Nope, she needs to go, clink clink.
The man who helped with the bags was Crystalās driver.
None of the women were surprised to hear about David Foster cheating on Yolanda. Heās in his 5th marriage for a reason.
Also, is it possible that Erika has been faking it her entire time on the show? Was any of it real? Her marriage, the planes they chartered but didnāt own? I wondered why their house needed so much work. Rich people do not keep a rotten tree in their back yard, and they repair the pool tiles. Were all of their cars leased? How do you blow tens of millions of dollars and have nothing to show for it? I guess that is the 36 million dollar question.
Is any of Erika ever real? Yesā¦sheās been faking it allā¦.but I think thatās her life. Sheās playing a role. The only consistent things have been 1. Willing to work to make it (left son w parents, worked as a sitters, trying to break into Hollywood, or find a hubby) 2. Sheās willing to drop anyone who doesnāt support her (no friends) 3. Cold cold coldā¦.the one time on show she seemed relatable was with her mom (?) maybe about her grandma dying? (Donāt know there was some science a couple years back where she went āhomeL
Peopleā¦.go to therapy. Get over your self involved shit. It never works out well
I haven’t read comments yet so apologies if repeating.
I noticed that she said last night “he supported and FUNDED my career”
I was so sucked in last night I actually thought “I have got to get to the recap to “shake it off” for some reason I was drinking the koolaid.?
Oh, and she mentioned “the bedroom” at the.clubhouse.
I found it funny that we got the full on house tour I think a couple of episodes ago or whatever as nd now it’s gone𤣠I just hope her dog went to as loving home!
Gag me – Erika will never win an oscar lol SOOOOO dramatic
I thought it was just me cuz I was stoned out of my mind!
Erika is full of shit & the way they all held on to her every word was lame. Every time she was on screen I kept thinking she’s auditioning for the role of her life! It seemed so fake & performative.
I would love to a guest at either one of Kyle’s homes
Kathy is hilarious. Love her!
Crystal was enjoyable in this episode
Happy Garcelle is back next week.
Erika’s poor acting only shines a brighter light on the holes in her story/timeline.
Dorit is label laden wall paper this season.
Lisa Rinna needs to get her own storyline and stop using her daughter and cast mates.
Can anyone explain to me why Erika would even wear mascara – in the previous fake crying episode – when she was clearly wearing false eyelashes? Is that even a thing?
As someone who used to wear fake lashes a hundred years ago, I did use mascara because it helped blend the fake lashes with the real ones. I don’t wear them anymore but fake lashes are so much better now it’s probably not necessary. Of course, the dramatic (comical) effect of mascara running down her face wouldn’t have happened.
Thanks, Terri.
I thought it was very telling how Erica said she would do anything but go to confession. I didn’t take it as going to confession because that is what Catholic’s do. I heard it as “I won’t go to confession” because I didn’t do anything wrong. She is trying to spin it that she is broke and currently has nothing but she still fails to remember she spent money that didn’t belong to her or Tom.
With the information we have now that wasnāt out there during filming what weāre seeing, the reunion will be interesting even Erika doesnāt show. If youāve noticed, not only are most all of the ladies protecting Erika, but Andy appears to be as well.
I think that scene at the hotel where her dog pooped and she lamented about having to clean this up too and then just left the poop for someone else to step in really sums it up
I may have a dumb question. Could Erika settle this by paying for the ill gotten gains and just return what she can, and owe what she owes. And make it go away?
Seems so much better to get it over with and people forget fast, she could ‘re-establish a toned down career.
Of course she could give everything she has to the victims. It would not eradicate her crimes, but it would return her reputation for many people… It would also look great to the courts.
It will never happen though because she is āinnocentā and is ājust trying to make a new lifeā with what ālittleā she has. š¤£
Erika wouldnāt stop selling her semi tacky designer clothes on a website when the lawyers asked/judge told her.
And she was selling these clothes for 200 less than retail – like why do I want to pay 2,500 for a sweat shirt worn by you? Nope – 150? Maybe. That good designer resale š
Greedy and self absorbed.
I’m tired of Erika’s monotone delivery of everything. I have a BS meter that is on point and it goes wild any time Erika is doing a performance. She’s pathetic the way she is trying to make HERSELF a victim when there are REAL victims involved here. Sutton’s intuition is figuring it all out and we see how Erika will respond–with THREATS. Real tough girl—first crying that she had “no where to go” and now she’s going to take on Sutton for not falling for her lies. I want to punch the smug off her face.
Me too! If I were Sutton Iād say āwhat are you gonna do? Have Tom sue me?ā āBitch donāt be writing checks your botoxed face canāt cashā. Erika makes me fume!
I’m not saying that Erika knew nothing about what was going on but I really don’t believe she knew it all. Her LLC was created in 2008 with Tom as the Agent for Service of Process. Her Corp. (Pretty Mess, Inc.) was created in January 2021 which was after she filed for divorce and most likely created for her post-divorce income. Tom’s assets were frozen in December 2020 and Girardi Keese has already filed for bankruptcy before Erika’s Corp. was even created so there’s no way he could’ve transferred money to Erika’s Corp. That money may have been transferred to the LLC before that but if Tom actually controlled the EJ Global LLC, the fact that he transferred money to that LLC doesn’t mean anything. As a lawyer, it just gets frustrating when people believe everything they hear without actually knowing the “facts”. Which ultimately we may never because only Erika and Tom really know. The fact that Crystal doesn’t even look at her bank account or want to look at a bank statement should give an indication that in the world of very wealthy women, money is not something you worry about. I also find it interesting that Tom and Erika were marred for 20 years and he never seemed to have an issue with making client payments until recently. Everyone is saying he was financing Erika’s lavish lifestyle but it just doesn’t make sense to me that the embezzlement of client funds didn’t appear to occur until the last couple of years. I think Erika is a stoic ice queen that is very experienced at hiding her emotions and putting on a facade. I never bought her relationship with Tom as being wonderful and loving. She seemed to me as someone who fulfilled her role in his life as agreed and she was very respectful of him. But she also always seemed a little afraid of him to me, and she always said that he was the most ruthless person she knew. She once said they didn’t have a pre-nup because Tom would never let her leave that marriage with anything, pre-nup or not. I’m just saying don’t believe everything you read or see. Lawyers tell the facts in the light most favorable to their clients and to create certain implications but it doesn’t mean that it’s necessarily true without the full context.
I admit I didn’t get past the “her post divorce income” bullshit. Court documents claim that Erika Jayne and her two entertainment business companies (EJ Global, LLC and Pretty Mess, Inc) received jewelry, luxury items and lottery payments from Girardi Keese to the total of $25 million. As a result, they suggested Erika Jayne conspired with Tom Girardi and his law firm to hide assets meant for the supposed victims in the ongoing cases. The HIDING OF ASSETS IN THOSE TWO COMPANIES were at $25 million at the time of THAT court filling and they have now found another ELEVEN MILLION DOLLARS.
Whatever happened to Broke TOM and Broke Erika? She has received THIRTY SIX MILLION DOLLARS SINCE SHE FILED FOR DIVORCE. Does that make sense to you? Come on.
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Wasnāt the idea that he bankrolled the Erika Jayne stuff and that company – pre divorce, pre embezzlement – may have the ill gotten gains?
I believe people had begun to go after his firm before this recent blow up – it was people who he represented not getting their full payments ? Itās not new ā¦. It maybe they could slowly dole out small amounts while wasting the rest on Bentley etc.
I was just curious so I went and searched google about his car accident and found nothing when it supposedly happened. Since when can a high powered “famous” lawyer and husband of a housewife not make the news after being shot out of a car, being in a coma for 12 hours, plus all the injuries he supposedly had? People make the news for ingrown toe nails these days and that type of car accident never made even TMZ?
I did the same and found some evidence of the car crash and the ankle injury but not much else.
omg, I just started watching this episode. EJ arrives — what an act! And she even uses a different voice to talk. I loathe this phony act. She is a lying liar.
There’s something about Sutton that is endearing. I like her. I hope they keep her along with Garcelle. Kathy, I am not sure how much of her quirkiness is real or play acting for fun. I hope that Bravo will finally, at some point, decide that Erika has to go .All eyes are on Erika’s every word. Maybe when her wages are attached.
Bravo LOVES a FELON. She might get a going to prison spin-off! LOL.
In Erikaās book she wrote, āThe whole Erika Jayne project was only possible because Iām self-funded,ā she wrote. āThe haters are always going to say, āAll you do is spend your husbandās money.ā First of all, itās our money. Know how I know? Because the IRS tells us that it is. My name is on that tax return too.ā
Funny how it was āour money.ā Now, she doesnāt know anything about the money, or where the money is that he took. This is becoming like a game of Hangman. The more she opens her mouth, the closer she gets to the noose around her neck.
I cannot fathom why she did this season other than she thought she was smarter than she actually is, thought she would put on this act we are watching each week and sell her victim BS. She is really quite brazen on social media. I canāt decide if she is really not afraid of Richards the attorney, or she is so delusional that she thinks people are buying her act.
Her hubris thinking she could come on this show and convince everyone she is innocent is amazing. Everything she tapes gives more ammo to the prosecution. Maybe she can keep her fanbase for a bit? Or dupe the other housewives. But she is giving the prosecution so much to work with every time she opens her dumb mouth.
Her hubris is pure inertia. Her whole life she has lied and been believed! Her whole life is an illusion. Why wouldnāt we believe her, believe in her version of everything? āwe always have. Thatās how she thinks, (how too many people think).
Yes and yes!! I like to see them fall. Bc a chunk of us can read BSā¦..and I love seeing a Narcissist fall (they donāt believe it will ever happenā¦.hence narcissist)
If Erika has $36 million then she needs to pay those people their $2 mil. She’d never miss it! Greed! Past seasons no one could pry an ounce of emotion from the ice queen. NOW she blubbering all over the place with bs line after bs line. What a liar and for some reason I’d be willing to bet Teddi is enjoying this, as well as Vanderpump. Don’t know why they came into that thought lol
The 36 million is all from Girardi Keese victim funds. She will be responsible for paying ALL of that back.
The thing she will go to Club Fed for, eventually is TAX EVASION.
Thatās right Karen. Whoās the ālittle fawn in the woodsā now?
Erika is now trying to set up her & Toms defense by saying he’s not well. How convenient right around the time the money was stolen he wrecked off a cliff & was unconscious (sp). Broke a bunch of bones & had a head injury. Bull$hit. I can see right thru her stories & so can everyone else. She should’ve just kept her mouth shut. If Tom was such a good lawyer he should tell her to stfu
Erika needs to give up. She needs to use her last few $$$ and get some vaginal rejuvenation and find herself an Oligarch.
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Just watched it omg.
First of all will say this in earlier seasons Erika never showed emotion. Except for the strange crying and embracing Tom scene. That was uncomfortable to watch… I can only speak from my experience. When you have a husband who is verbally abusive. You learn quickly to “put the mask on” all emotions are threats. I doubt Tom was the “perfect” husband. But she had financial motive while others have children. The later unfortunately keeps in the hell cause why put your kids in poverty then to sacrifice yourself. So I can see why she would stay. But that is where my sympathy ends. I can relate to Sutton’s mom.
I find police interrogations fascinating. They way the perp think they are so clever and can talk their way out of their crime. But the fact that they are “talking” is to their detriment. Erika and her newly spun “Tom” stories reminds me of those. Her car accident story makes zero sense. More Tom is sick which at his age I do not doubt. She should not have filmed this season. It makes her look worse.
The half season trailer looks promising. Looks like they turn on Erika. Probably why the facade of support on social media.
The best response I’ve seen to threats like that is from Atlanta’s new gal Mia. Wendy told her not to stick her hand in her face (upcoming scene) and Mia said ‘well it’s there now, what are you going to do about it?” LOVED that moment. I don’t know how it will play out since the episode hasn’t aired yet but that response was GOLD. I wish Sutton had similar confidence in the face of EJ’s wrath. I feel like they’re all afraid of her and that’s the only reason she’s been so successful with conning them.
Why are they so afraid of her? Are they afraid she’s going to verbally attack them? She certainly can’t have her estranged husband sue them.
My thing is, Wendy had her hands up first! She was talking the exact same way – all the hand motions and pointing HER fingers first. Can’t take it when it’s thrown back at you, huh 4 degrees? Glad to see Mia didn’t back down….
I bet the other BH housewives are sorry they filmed this season with her in hindsight. If all the info we have now had come out when they were filming I bet they would have said they didn’t want to be associated with her and have the stink rub off on them.
I spent some time in ex-Yugoslavia in the 90’s with my ex-husband that wrote articles about war criminals there and they often had a type of wife that performed singing to aggressive music with outfits no decent person wants to wear. These women got a lot of expensive gifts never ever feeling sorry about the victims.
*blink*
This is right on to how she behaves. Erika role was to be a wife and perform or support him. Now that her money is in danger sheās going āoh no poor meā. Iād say roll and work with the prosecution
Um, Nana seems to have diarrhea of the mouth. Or is it just me? I mean I love comments but good grief, woman, TAKE A BREATH.
Also Nana is married and I am not? I feel like I could easily steal her husband, but would I want him? NOPE. LOL.
I guess Erika didnāt hire divorce lawyers until after she started filming. If she did, they would have told her not to talk about herself as a breadwinner on camera.
The book she wrote, the avitar, the shoe collection, all can be used against her if she wants to get anything out of her divorce. DUH.