Tonight is the big night when Oprah Winfrey’s interview with Prince Harry & Meghan Markle finally airs. I was looking forward to it earlier today. But then people kept popping in to comments saying the most vile things. I’ve removed the commenting option on that post for my own mental health. It was as if Meghan Markle shot their mamas or something. One of them even mocked her for cradling her baby bump. I didn’t have much of an opinion either way on this marriage. It has nothing to do with me or my life. I did feel a lot of compassion for Meghan when the UK press was so very racist toward her from the beginning.
For those of you who can’t access any compassion, I’m going to need you to figure out how to reign in your excessive vitriolic diatribes or just go watch the housewives or Tweet with Bethenny Frankel about this topic. The spewing of hatred at a pregnant woman, has already ruined my day. Meghan Markle’s treatment in the UK press has been just awful.
Do You Know How To Curtsy?
It looks like Meghan Markle and Oprah are neighbors in Montecito! They are filming outdoors in a friend/neighbor’s yard due to Covid. Oprah makes it clear that no questions are off limits and no one knows what questions she plans to ask and she was not paid for the interview. Oprah was at her wedding which she describes as magic. Meghan says she didn’t really research what she was getting into as far as day to day life as Prince Harry’s wife.
Meghan says that the first time she met the Queen she was going to lunch with Harry and suddenly his grandmother announced she would be joining them. Harry asked if she was nervous and she wasn’t then he asked her if she knew how to curtsey. And she didn’t so they practiced it outside for a bit before she went in. Meghan claims she did no research on the royal family before marrying Harry. I find that really hard to believe. I Googled a bit to help me navigate this recap.
Meghan Markle’s New Home Sweet Home
Next we get some footage that Oprah shot the day after their interview at Meghan Markle and Harry’s new home. It’s a very large property with dogs and chickens. Harry is the there as well. In the chicken coop, Meghan drops a bomb. She and Harry actually slipped away three days before the wedding and had a private ceremony in their backyard with just the two of them and their archbishop.
Back at the interview, Oprah goes over some of the rumors in the press when they first got married. Namely, staff quitting over her diva behavior and making Kate Middleton cry. Some of the rumors she had heard of, others she had not. Megan denies making Kate cry. She says that the reverse happened and it had to do with wedding arrangements (allegedly flower girl dresses). Meghan say Kate made up for it and brought her flowers. It was odd that seven months later when the story came out in the press the roles were reversed. Odd indeed. She was upset that no one corrected the headline when everyone knew.
What??!! Others Besides The Ones Here Mocked Her Baby Bump?
This was one of the most irksome snarks on the now closed previous commenting section. Every pregnant person in the world does that! It seems like the UK press thought it was sweet when Kate did it. But when Meghan Markle does it she is being “prideful and vain?” Another… let’s call in a black and white issue (AHEM!). Kate’s husband gave her an avocado to help her morning sickness. When Meghan was snapped eating an avocado, the headlines read that she was eating fruit, “linked to human rights abuse and drought …MILLENNIAL SHAME!” What the holy fuck is wrong with people?
Meghan doesn’t seem to want mention the race thing. So Oprah is going to bring it up. Meghan doesn’t want to call it racism. She does say that she was always and advocate for women’s rights and then in her new role she was silent. Oprah asked if she was silent or silenced. She says “the latter.” She says that the royals, for lack of a better term, were willing to lie to protect other family members, but they weren’t willing to tell the truth to protect her.
Meghan Markle Locked Away
Meghan clarifies that there is THE FAMILY and there is THE FIRM. And the firm is the group that runs all the family businesses. She says she the Queen has always been wonderful to her. Then they play lots of photos footage of the two of them giggling together. She says everyone in the family welcomed her. She says she was locked up in their house a lot and not allowed to go to lunch with friends.
Meghan Markle says that when she was pregnant with Archie, she was told that the child would have no royal title (that was due to him) and that he would not have security. They also had concerns about how dark his skin would be. The conversations were had with Harry about Archie’s possible skin color. Meghan doesn’t want to out who had the conversations. Meghan says it was also a lie that she and Harry refused to take the usual photo with the baby leaving the hospital. She says they were not asked to take the photo because he was not getting a title.
The Relentless UK Media Lies About Meghan Markle
The extreme racist and sexist remarks by UK Media and internet trolls made life for Meghan Markle “almost unsurvivable.” The racist comments directed to her child must have been devastating. I simply cannot imagine. Meghan was suicidal during all of this. She remembers telling Harry. She went to The Firm/The Institution and reached out for help. Was told she could not go get help. She says The firm takes your passport, your driver’s license, your keys and you are basically at their mercy. And it seems they are short on mercy. This is heartbreaking.
Harry comes out and they announce together that they are having a girl! They don’t plan to have more children. The baby is due this summer. I’d say early June at the latest. Originally, the couple planned to live in Canada and still serve the commonwealth. But when they arrived, The Firm had cut off their security. That was the final straw. For a while they lived in one of Tyler Perry’s houses and he provided the security. Eventually they bought their new home in Montecito.
Prince Harry Joins The Interview
Prince Harry says his biggest concern has always been about history repeating itself. The media attention toward Meghan was amplified Several times over due to race and social media. Harry asked for help with more protection for Meghan in many ways and The Firm refused to provide help. Harry was naive about how racist everything became so quickly. He says he never blindsided his grandmother or his father. They had numerous conversations about his safety concerns for Meghan and the baby. He had a variety of solutions. And there was no support given, so they left. His dad has stopped taking his calls.
When it came to Meghan’s mental health Harry never asked his family for help. He knew it would not be given. So he needed to get her out of there. Harry said that 72 female members of Parliament spoke out in support of Meghan against the press, but his family would not. The Palace throws Christmas parties for the tabloids. Wow. Harry says he was trapped and didn’t know he was trapped until he met Meghan Markle.
Prince Harry Has Been Financially Cut Off
He says his father and his brother are trapped as well. His family has cut him off. But he still has his inheritance from Princess Diana. Harry says he speaks more to his grandmother now than he ever has. She likes to zoom to see the baby. Harry says he feels let down by his father because he has been through this situation himself. He loves his father and hopes to heal the relationship. Same with his brother. But for now they are taking some space.
Oprah brings up the conversations Harry had with his family about Archie’s skin tone. Oprah wants the details. Harry says he will never reveal that conversation. The conversation seems to have happened Before the marriage. They both agree with support and security they would still be there. The talk about their new charity, Archwell. This is how they will continue to serve the world. Harry is loving taking Archie to the beach and on bike rides. And being able to do those simple things. He’s content. He has no regrets. They are now thriving. Meghan has her fairytale ending. They both feel like the other saved them. Oh there is more tomorrow on CBS This Morning.
I appreciated their explanation that it wasn’t privacy they sought but rather freedom and support.
I admire that they kept conversations secret and private while also explaining the hurt they experienced so genuinely.
I’m glad we got to hear from them because the truth always lies somewhere in the middle mostly because the truth is so grey. We’ve heard aspects of the truth via the media, who believe the vitriol they spread and now we get to hear another side that hasn’t been presented by the media.
Also, Oprah is so beautiful. This interview felt so genuine and respectful. I hope this family finds peace and healing.
Oprah is the absolute queen of understanding. She brings life situations that may be foreign to certain people and make them understandable for all! She brings comfort and truths out of her subjects!
I understand her retirement from daily talk shows but for goodness sake! She is The Queen of interviewing humans! No one has ever done it better, period.
Poor Megan and Harry. How devastating. You would think the firm would be more understanding considering Diana and he struggles. This is just heart breaking. Just heart wrenching stuff. For his dad and brother to not understand why he protected his wife and child. Just making me cry. I pray they have a better life now and forever. Big hugs to both of these wonderful people.
This interview was just bombshell after bombshell. It actually gave me anxiety thinking of them living through this. And the thought of Diana leaving money for Harry as though she knew the spare would be treated this way. So heavy and heartbreaking.
He has grown into an amazing man and they have made a beautiful life together.
Team Harry and Meghan. All. Day. Long.
👆🏼This I thousand percent👑
I think his mother would have been so proud of him. And plot twist Megan would have made a gracious and loving Princess 👸 same as Diane.. He definitely chose someone within his mother spirit. They say boys married their mothers…And there’s definitely a ring of truth in that.
“Diana”
Totally agree.
I hope they are successful and happy with their children. They’ve had their say and can hopefully quietly go about their life and work but something tells me this is not their last interview
It’s won’t be, thank goodness. The have a huge Netflix deal. Everyone wants a piece of them. And as Harry says, he has to support his family now. I loved seeing him playing on the beach with Archie and Meghan like just regular Joes. I think they like it too. Even in they do live in Oprah’s hood. My opinion of Tyler Perry was upgraded during this show too.
I’m so glad you said that about Tyler Perry. I now have even more respect for him
Same! Everything I hear about him makes me love him more! He seems like such an amazing guy!
My opinion of Tyler Perry was also upgraded.
When it originally leaked, my instinct was that he was getting something out of it, but he never said anything about it — and their media deals seem to have nothing to do with Tyler Perry. Maybe he really was just being nice and loaning out a mansion? Maybe this is the kind of thing nice rich people do?
Tyler Perry is a godsend. Bless him for protecting Harry and Megan. Bless his sweet sweet soul. He will forever be an angel in my eyes.
After this bombshell interview, I can’t wait to see what kind of material they put out next. So Proud of them both for telling their truth. Diana would be so proud of her son and his wife.
I haven’t read your complete post TT, thankful I can comment!
I have always liked Prince Harry, he always seemed so genuine, compassionate, caring and personable in interviews. I admit I didn’t know much about Meghan Markle before they announced the engagement, but they really seemed happy together – they just glowed around each other. I was really happy for them, especially after he’d had to grow up after the devastating loss of his mother. I could NOT believe the amount of insane animosity leveled at Meghan. I thought it was sick and unwarranted. That interview she gave post partum with Archie where she started tearing up broke my heart, I hoped she had friends around her, she was obviously really hurting (seems like she didn’t have anyone there but Harry, and that must have been excruciating, although I am sure he was so supportive, it’s a time you need to be surrounded by lots of people who love you). I was hoping Charles wasn’t acting like an ass in this, but it seems he is. I’m glad to hear the Queen still wants to be in their lives. I was relieved when they left the UK, and so think Harry really spear-headed that, he wasn’t about to watch his wife destroyed the way his mother was. I can’t fathom WHY everyone blames Meghan for everything. Her husband put her and their child above everything, and I find that wonderful. But, wow, I still see people ranting sheer hatred about her on social media and it’s awful. I think this “she was mean to assistants” was COMPLETELY manufactured by the royal brand pr team. I hope she has a happy, safe pregnancy, easy delivery and they live happily ever after.
I think some of the allegations are true, like the golf blankets being the wrong shade of red, and not understanding the rules about the tiaras. It seems like she was really miserable and hurt and probably lashed out sometimes.
I do not believe she didn’t see any of the tabloids and only heard about them through friends, or that she didn’t research the royals before marriage.
I think she probably saw the tabloids too and it’s SO painful she just can’t even go there, she doesn’t want to let them know how deep they got to her. It actually makes my heart hurt worse for her. I do agree I think she was overwhelmed, under extreme pressure and feeling attacked and may have gone bananas at moments over nothing -I’ve been guilty of the same sh*t, if I’m being honest. She also knew she was already under a microscope over the wedding and I could see where she’d want her hair people to have access to the tiara to know how to work with it, but also see why they couldn’t give it to her then – seems like someone could have given her a dupe or something just to have her hair team practice with. I think people attacking her over cradling her pregnant bump is sick. I’ve been pregnant 8 times, I have 5 kids. I started laying my hand over their hearts inside of me the day the stick test went positive, even the ones I lost. I don’t know why anyone sees her doing that as a bid for attention? Every pregnant woman I’ve known has done that.
Sorry for your tremendous losses as well💔
So very sorry you have gone through that. Big prayers to you! And I am not even religious 🥴
Thank you Looloo and Fofeena, that’s very kind of you. I’m so sorry, I shouldn’t have mentioned it and brought everyone down. I think my experiences just make me feel extra empathetic to women like Meghan and Chrissy Tiegen and other women who’ve gone through it. I just also find it sad that high profile women in general often tend to be put under a negative microscope, like Diana, Britney Spears, Meghan, etc, it’s sadistic.
If this was a no holds barred interview then why didn’t Oprah ask about her family? I too don’t believe that she didn’t know anything about them. I recall an interview where her mom said she dreamed of becoming a princes and was obsessed with the royal family.
Yes her best friend from 2 yrs old until Meghan’s first divorce did an interview, had pictures of the 2 together constantly throughout the years & said Meghan had books about them/Diana. She is the same friend pictured w/Meg in front of the palace. Meghan stated in her & Harry’s engagement interview she really didn’t know anything about him or his family.
They discussed her father. They didn’t put it in, but they also discussed the sister – who she hasn’t seen in over 18 years. She was raised as an only child. Her fathers children from his previous relationship were grown and out of the house when she was born. Oprah discussed this this morning.
Her mother has been nothing but supportive. Why would that relationship be discussed openly? The interview was about their leaving the UK and The Firm.
I don’t understand why she would lie?
I’m uk based x a first time poster, I’ve not seen the interview yet but I suppose I just wanted to let the USA know that the majority of us English people loved meghan x we wanted her as the breath of fresh air she would’ve been x
Thank you for saying this!
It seems that 72 women in government felt the same way.
I am glad to hear that THE PEOPLE loved Meghan.
And I think it’s awfully disrespectful calling the royal family “the firm” .
Meghan was really loved by all of the uk, we all loved her, Harry was by far our favourite, I just really think that she misjudged how much pressure comes with joining a royal family. The expectations, the press intrusion, but she shouldn’t disrespect the monarchy simply because she didn’t realise what she was marrying into xx
She did NOT call the ROYAL FAMILY THE FIRM. She made a very clear division between the family and The Firm/Institution who ran “the business end.” The firm is the suits calling all the shots and controlling all their lives.
As I said I’ve not seen the interview yet x I’m uk x I suppose I just wanted the us to know that the actual uk public really wanted Meghan and Harry here, the first “common” born, mixed race, actual normal member of our monarchy x
And that’s why I’m so looking forward to when the uk get to see the interview because as it stands we’re told that Meghan has been so rude and nasty about the monarchy and I want to have the other side x the media can’t control Oprah’s interview so that’s what we need to see here x
I’m waiting to watch it in Australia too. As part of the Monarchy, we have a lot of Royal coverage here. I was really pleased when they got married, and fully understood why they would go overseas after what happened to his mother and how the media treated her. I am, though, a firm believer that family problems should be discussed within a family and not for public consumption. I think it will be even more difficult for them to come back together with his family after this.
I’ve seen the interview and I wouldn’t blame Harry one bit for not wanting to reconcile with Charles.
There are three sides to every story.
When you see the interview I think you’ll understand why she had to go outside of the family to get the help mental help ..security..and support they were literally begging for. It was within monarchies powers to provide that help and support and security …but they never did. I will be really curious to see your take on this after you’ve seen the interview. Raw, powerful, shocking and heartbreaking 💔👑
I believe lots of it is true, but I think they’re also a tying to manipulate public opinion, they know the royal family will never be able to do an interview to refute things.
There are different people, those who air their family issues and those who don’t (really evident with Facebook. I think once it’s public, it’s harder to come back together.
@Sarah in Australia
Conversally, had she NOT left the palace ..she would have never been able to tell her side ..which is her truth. And I don’t believe that that they cannot tell their side .,,they have the media on their side and they can feed the British media anything they want!
Absolutely! Harry lost his family and that’s very sad, this is coming from someone that thinks family is everything. She obviously doesn’t feel that way the way she turned on hers.
Ew. WTF is this.
I think you meant to say the way they turned on her!
She was not close to the sister. She was an only child who met that POS twice in loud 10 years.
The father came out as part of team Royal Family which pretty much led to the Queen’s statement thus morning.
Yes, I’d really love to hear the reactions and perspectives of people living in the U.K. to this interview! Important to hear from the people who actually live with and experience the monarchy directly.
If being led “The Firm” is disrespectful, then the RF shouldn’t act like such a dusty, dated, antiquated institution, maybe? Disrespectful? What a joke.
The monarchy has no place in modern times. I find it disrespectful we don’t talk more about that. And this from a Commonwealther who has great interest in Liz getting off our damn money.
Lastly, I question your claim that most of the UK liked Meghan– that seems to be very much the opposite case, reportedly. Which I’d agree with considering your post claimed Meghan was “disrespectful” in calling the Royal Firm what it was.
I feel sorry for their situation, and I can relate to her when she shared her suicidal thoughts. I don’t believe everything she said though- of course she knows what has been published about her. She seemed very well versed. If she were to admit to one thing she would have done differently or one thing that was true that reflected her in a negative light she would be more believable. She seems to blame them for not teaching her things since she’s an American, but the onus to learn the anthem and hymns is on her, not someone else. The concerns over security and her son’s title and the racism- yes! She does hold anger over too many things though I believe.
I do think Oprah asked good questions- the things we most want to know.
Why don’t you go teach yourself all the things you need to know about being a princess and get back to us. I can assure you that there are people there to help white people learn that stuff.
Why go there?
TT- there is nothing this poster said that required such a nasty response. ANd you wonder why people post and visit here less.
OMG- I just watched this — it was very scripted in what she and Harry planned to say. While I believe most of what she said, I think it was more of a P.R. move for their ventures (including Harry’s with Oprah).
Obviously, she got more than she bargained for in marrying into the Royal family. Her tale of depression was heartbreaking, but are we supposed to believe that Harry could not get her help? I just don’t believe that.
In the end, it is a tale older than time. When you rip your husband away from his family, resentment will build at some point and who knows how that will all pan out.
BTW– even in CA, you cannot work at age 13 at a frozen yogurt shop.
Seriously KD? If you are talking about me telling someone to teach themself to be a royal, IDGI. You have been here forever and I’ve been super hard on commenters that I feel deserve it. But I don’t see see a problem pointing out someone doesn’t know what they are talking about. One of the queens, support people is actually in charge of doing that and apparently it didn’t happen.
You’ve been here way too long to get your panties in a bunch over a what I consider a relatively benign comment. Feel free for calling me out for being a bitch when warranted. But this is not one of those times.
Also in California minors can get work permits through their school. However, I agree thirteen is a bit young to be in a school to work permit unless she skipped a grade or something. It did sound a bit fishy.
It might have been something quasi legal. I know when I was thirteen like 8 million years ago, I worked for a bit at the business of one of my mom’s friends. It was a small business and my mom had to sign some form saying she gave consent and it had to be “on the books” as strictly under a certain amount of hours. Maybe that was Meghan’s situation? I also came to learn for years of working part time and random jobs from 13 to 18 that lots of places had lots of ways to hire minors and still fly under the radar. I’d like to say I had no idea how shady or exploitive it was, but I think I did even then, but our family needed the money.
California currently allows 12 and 13 years old to be permitted to work during weekends, holidays and vacations. I don’t know what the law was then but I think it’s certainly possible she was working at age 13.
What you are overlooking is that a PRINCE cannot get help for his pregnant wife who is having suicidal ideations. I call bullshit on that. This seems like a scripted plan to GTFO. Good for them regardless.
Also, they have a deal with Oprah’s production company. I find the earnest dialogue suspect. Love the chickens though. Enjoy your 14M mansion.
The royal family told the press where they were living in Canada. The daily mail published it. They then cut Harry, the blood prince’s security detail even though there were threats against them. You seem a bit daft.
Kk you are wrong. And so was Megan. The Government of Canada was paying for their security from the time they arrived. Their security detail was the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. The Canadians were unhappy with this arrangement AFTER it was announced in March 2020 that were no longer working members of the royal family. This interview had glaring inaccuracies for me, which then makes one suspect of other info provided. It is also my understanding they never repaid Canada which really pisses us off.
Come on Tamara. Give her a break. We don’t know Megan and Harry personally and should be allowed to voice our opinions.
Not sure who you are talking about, but if you read her opinion, clearly I let her state it. I’m also allowed to respond to commenters opinions.
Meghan was not blaming, she explained his lost she felt. I do find it strange the Family or Firm did not provide Meghan with instruction.
On history of the place where needed, who was who among the family living on the grounds/castle, and so on.
That in itself seems strange to me.
Why did “they” not want a picture of them leaving the hospitable unless they were worried a comparison would be made. That is old thinking yet what else ??
I can see what Harry meant by possible jealousy in a few places. They were going to treat Harry’s children less than other royals. Why? I say race.
I believe there’s some racism in all of this but that’s not why their children would be thought less than.
huh? Praytell, what are the other options why a child would be considered less thant?
Cause while William’s will be King Harry will not. Harry and Williams may have been treated differently because of this. So it is likely that their children may be as well.
I bet if people treated your child differently for any reason, you would hold onto a lot of anger too.
I have mixed children so yeah … I know what it’s like to some extent. And I mentioned that I understand the racism and security anger in my post. I took it upon myself to educate myself on my partner’s culture, and I’m still learning new things all the time even after many many years together. Although I’m not a princess, I do know first hand the complications of biracial marriage and fears related to my children.
Good for you!! I don’t think you said anything wrong .. I’m sure there was racism, but I don’t believe half the things she said.
She’s using Diana’s death, depression and the stressors that lead to her death and making it her story to manipulate Harry. She knows his heart aches for what his mom went through and uses it to get what she wants.
I agree totally, she is a master manipulator.
💯👆. I know I sure would, this momma bear would tear the damn place down. I only have 1 child, an almost 6yr old son (April Fools Day Baby). He is absolutely my whole world and by far my favorite person in the world, the main reason I still wake up everyday. Nothing I WOULDN’T DO to protect my baby and family.
So sorry racism isn’t something you want to discuss… BIPOC hate being victims of it.
Meghan is a polarising figure.
I have no doubt a twenty-first century American woman would feel suffocated and trapped by Royal protocol. I am sure Katherine feels the same at times. I am happy they have a new life in CA & can enjoy their time with their young family.
I don’t believe everything she says though – I believe she treated staff poorly – these people don’t talk to the media, its unprecedented that the enquiry is happening. The palace did learn from Diana and this was seen through the Duchess of Cambridges transition from girlfriend, to fiancee and then wife.
The most telling thing about Meghan is how she only talks to one member of her family, cuts off friends, her treatment of her ex husband etc. It’s a strong pattern. Now she is cutting Harry off from his family & friends.
I hope he is happy.
He seems quite happy. She seems happy. Archie seems happy. Everyone is happy for them, except the haters. I wonder why they are so butt hurt… could it be…
I agree totally, she is a master manipulator. Not haters because we don’t believe her.
Please show how she is a master manipulator. Omg her husband loves her and takes her out of a toxic ass situation. So she should endure racism and a guided cage? Gtfoh with that mess. It’s a racist trope that a black woman should be grateful to be in their presence. She deserves to be happy. I’m sorry you’ve never been loved or loved anyone enough to leave a shit situation
Rufus, go read the support Meghan has online since this bulling story came out just before interview, from life long friends about her character, who she is as a friend and person.
Read several of their supportive comments and you will change you comment.
She seems very nice and she wanted to remain a royal.
Ive lost respect for William and Kate.
I’m Australian & we are a member of the Commonwealth. I think if Harry & Meghan are unhappy & want to leave that’s great. If the British public & us here are not paying for them pursue their bliss.
Harry has $40 million to look after his family, so as for being cut off, no sympathy.
I’m pretty up to date on this his & the support statements from her Suits co stars, makeup artists etc don’t balance for me on the string of accounts of her dropping friendships, husbands and family – note these are all people who cant assist her rise to power.
There were no questions about their hypocrisy in regard to carbon emissions, the truth about what happened with her father.
A fluff piece carefully crafted to put them in the best light possible.
Meghan is no Diana. She appears to be a narcissist
Her rise to what kind of hypothetical power? She’s right back where she started in California as an actress. She’s soon to be the mother of two and a working actress. Neither of those jobs are power grabs.
Also, don’t all the commonwealth countries contribute to THE FIRM regardless? Why would Canada or Australia be the ones paying if they lived there? Why wouldn’t the same institution do it?
Megan want’s the power of celebrity – she equated Royalty with celebrity & found they were quite different. Read early interviews with her.
She has stated quite openly she wants to be a powerful woman – a successful actress, business woman & lifestyle guru with her “Tig” website, a humanitarian through her work with the UN and now the philanthropist princess.
Now she is a mother of two, was an actress & is a Duchess & currently one of the most photographed women in the world. Has just had a 2 hour primetime interview with one of the m post powerful forces in entertainment? Has dozens of news stories, papers, blogs, websites etc talking about her – so not interested in power?
The Commonwealth pays for Royalty when they visit or tour – Canada paid their security but were no longer required when they withdrew from “the Firm”. Their visit to Australia cost over $5 million dollars when you count in security on top of accommodation, transport etc. That money could have been spent on schools, aged carte or hospitals.
Maybe she could be on RHO Santa Barbara
You should be watching Good Morning Britain right now. I’m sure you just love Piers.He’s not a fan of women’s empowerment either.
No TT, I don’t like Piers & he has attacked her horribly & all because after meeting him once she ditched him when she was with Harry – which is exactly what she would have been required to do as he is a polarising media personality – and an asshole.
However I can say that I think she is disingenuous. She is not a complete victim & she takes no responsibility for her choices.
She’s also lied about knowing nothing about the royal family – the childhood friends she ditched have photographs of them watching Diana’s wedding, articles in magazines etc.
I hope she & Harry enjoy their freedom. & new baby.
If power is being able to make your own decisions and live on your own terms, who does not want power? Why do you think Kate Middleton stays with Williams. Not exactly a love match.
Lllol these people. She’s 39 so she was born 2 years after Diana’s wedding. And liking diana has nothing to do with liking the Windsor family. Everyone knows diana who knows princess ann or Beatrice and eugenie? Like stop
Actually Meghan is a lot stronger than Diana. And a lot smarter too.
I agree with that. I also don’t think she’ll allow Archie & the baby girl to be the centre of a media storm.
On the contrary Kate & William are definitely a live match – she’s given up her freedom & taken on the gilded cage for the man she loves. She’s just reserved & very English – & she has been tabloid fodder, but not nearly as bad as Meghan.
Meghan & Harry seem very in love – but just because they are more demonstrative it e mean their relationship is mire living than Kate & William
To be fair Diana was 19 and Meghan is 39. Maybe more life lessons under her belt…
Harry does not have 40 million. That celebrity networth guy has a LOT to answer for. He got £10 million from Diana on his 30th birthday and there are just rumours about his inheritance from the Queen Mother, anywhere from zero to sharing £14 mill with William. The palace statement is online that she left everything to the Queen. Their security costs 1.5 million a year so yes, I could certainly live on that kind of money but it will only pay for Archie’s security for a few years, security he needs through no fault of his own. I just read yesterday on the Daily Mail a comment from a guy who said they needed a sniper to take them out and it had over 100 upvotes (I flagged it) and zero downvotes and had been up for 2 hours.
Thank you on both counts. I hate the people who believe these online net worth websites. Even the 7 million that Oprah got for the show was a GUESS. That has not been disclosed either.
The BRITISH news sites ESTIMATE Harry got about 16 Million from Diana.
I think I read around 8 to 9 million but interest and investment wise it grew
Her friends don’t feel that way. They seem to have been in contact with her while she was in the UK. They all spoke up in her defense last 24 hours.
Her dad deserves what he earned and she has only 1/2 older siblings.
Ms Rufus Ragdoll, what did you think about the comments regarding the Australian tour. Do you think the public and the country reacted as positively to H&M as they did to Diana and Charles? Were the crowd levels comparable?
I was really young when Charles & Di came here & but everyone went wild for the Princess. Charles actually went to school in Victoria for a tear or 2 & he was familiar her so Diana was the draw card.
Harry spent time here to on a sheep station in the Northern Territory when he finished high school.
Everyone was very excited & enthusiastic about Harry & Meghan’s visit & I’d say the wedding & tour probably reinvigorated the Royalists – but i think we all see ourselves as a Republic when the Queen passes.
There were lots of crowds but also some conflicting reports – she too banana bread to a morning tea on a sheep station in Victoria & said she made it. Story comes out she threw a tantrum at Admiralty house. – home of the Governor general who is the Queens representative in Australia & its amazing on Sydney harbour. Apparently she thought she would have the whole house instead of the guest wing & she screamed at the kitchen staff to make her recipe so she could take it with her. Stories about tests & tantrums with her security detail & the timing of events. I get she was pregnant & tired but it was a shocking contrast to the strong powerchick exterior.
Theoretically she was an asset but the life was too confining fir her.
Thanks! I asked because I think she has a need to be as famous and beloved as Diana. (Not going to happen. Diana was special.) Harry says that he does not want history to repeat itself. But yet, he is making so many of the same mistakes. You cannot go back from this interview.
Yes, I feel sorry for him. Why did he think he could bow out & have tax payers front his security costs?
Cause he’s never lived in the real world. $40 million is hardly poor.
Lets hope when/if she gets tired of him he can cope out of captivity. I found him very sad in this interview.
He’d better hope Grsnny hangs on for a bit more as Charles will not easily forgive.
Of course he was sad..Sad that that his family and the firm let him down…Dismissed her pleas for mental health…Would not protect HIS biracial son…Question the color of his son and daughter skin tone..Would not call off the horrible press and their racist slant and lies …even though it was in their power to do so.
Why do we not here horrible things said about prince Andrew and his affiliation with Epstein and pedophilia.
Surely that’s more salacious than anything Megan and Harry said or did. We cover it more in the US then in the UK…
Have you seen the video or the article with the side by side photos of Meghan & Diana. It is outfit after outfit of Meghan matching Diana. I don’t mean eh yea the outfits are similar. I mean spot on as if she were being cast to play Diana. Not just a few matches, 20. On a couple you might say yea similar. But the others were really matched up.
Clothes …are we really bringing this down to clothing. Millions and millions of people were inspired by princess Diana clothing! Why is it shocking that her daughter-in-law was too..Same thing happened with Kate and the same thing with Meghan. People rushed to emulate hairstyles clothing wedding dresses etc.
You mean a meeting with your Prime minister who flashed the white power sign in a photo with Meghan and Harry?
How do you know what she does? Many people have defended her so I would say she has lots of people in her corner. Her mother and that side of the family have never said one word about Megan but if my family acted like her family, I would cut them off too. Harry is a grown man able to make his own decisions but the bi-racial woman is to blame. I wonder what you would do if someone mistreated your kids and spouse. Kiss up to them so you could keep wearing a tiara or have the courage to walk out the front door.
I go on the information available- of course her current friends support her, but there is a pattern of poor treatment of those who don’t fit her current plans – when people show you who they are, believe it.
She can still have been treated badly & not be a particularly pleasant person. The same as Diana did a wonderful job philanthropy but was pretty psychologically fragile – the constant ringing & stalking of the married England Rugby Captain – all verified with phone records & police reports.
Diana also manipulated the media very successfully.
Oprah didn’t ask a single controversial question.
Rufus, I completely agree with you on the view that people and situations do not need to be “either-or”. A person can have good friends, and still treat others poorly (like staff). I’ve seen that in life situations all the time. Someone can be opportunistic and controlling, and still care about social justice. People are always assuming that things have to be “either-or”, when the truth is, things are usually “and-and”. People are complex, and we all will only see what the media (which in this case includes Oprah) chooses to portray. All any of us can do before forming an opinion is to try our best to read and hear as many “sides” of a story as we can.
I agree with you, and hope that after this interview, we might hear more viewpoints from from people who were on the “inside” of the real situation in the U.K.- either the family, the “firm” or both. I adore Oprah, but she obviously had a set perspective going into this interview, and the questions were crafted to show Meghan and Harry is a particular light. I also have a certain “spidey-sense” about Meghan, and some things just don’t sit quite right in my gut (like, someone as sharp as Meghan, knowing what happened to Diana, did no research about the particulars of life as a royal before deciding to marry Harry??). I’m sure that Meghan experienced some very rough (and racist) things. At the same time, she’s extremely savvy, and knows how to play into the “issues du jour” in this country to craft a certain “brand” for herself. I don’t see her as a total innocent victim in this situation (nor do I see her as a “villain”). Nothing is all one way or all the other- I just have some feeling that perhaps Meghan may have had a bit of a plan from the beginning- but I’d need much more information….
That said, I hope that she, Harry (who I love), baby Archie and the new little girl have a beautiful life here and do good things for our country and the world…
I truly have sympathy about baby Archie and the comments about his or any other children they have skin color.
There are things though….
her best friend since age 2 (until Meg’s first divorce) gave an interview with yrs & yrs of pics of them together constantly saying that Meg did study the family, had books, etc. She said after a couple of seasons on Suits she just was not the same person, used her position for what she wanted, that she wanted to adopt a dog that someone else was trying to adopt & Meg sent an email saying how much the dog would be loved on her Suits set and included friends in the email. The former best friend said it left a bad feeling.
She admitted (on camera) to lying about being in the union when she wanted the Suits role. The fit over the banana bread. The fit over the red blankets. Yes, I’m sure her every move is scrutinized.
I don’t know what to think about the discord over Charlotte’s dress. Allegedly, people saw her make Kate cry. Now, she says Kate made her cry. I do not doubt that the media has attacked her because of race, I don’t agree with that. Kate was tortured by the media for being Waity Katey, because her her mother was a flight attendant, because her parents worked in service trade, objectified & slut shamed for the lace neglige….I know it’s still not race. I’ve read lots on Princess Anne. She could not marry who she wanted, was scrutinized for being a hit, loved on tours. It may be royalty but it’s a tough role/job. It’s hard to imagine Meg had no idea. The Royals do look on it as their job, their role. I’m glad they got fully out. It does not seem they were happy in their roles. I do think it’s better they pay for their own security. It would make sense if they give up the role/job, that they give up the benefits. Also, they can determine the level of security needed.
from what I read it wasnt about Charlotte’s dress it was about the stockings? Maybe Kate told Meghan that the protocal was for them to wear stockings despite the heat and Meghan didnt think that that protocol for children was that important? I still think this is a cultural British Royal thing vs American thinking..at least in THIS instance.
I hear she slammed the door in Kates face when she brought round the flowers. They were both in tears due to the disagreement at the bridesmaids dress fitting, but Meghan didn’t acknowledge Kates upset, who had just had a baby,. As always two sides to a story!
From the additional information provided it would appear to me that Meghan was green to the point of fury with jealousy of Kate, maybe because of her previously extremely close relationship with Harry – he often referred to in
public as his sister, maybe because she’s been such an annoyingly good queen in waiting, or maybe because the British press and public adore her . Her small and continual digs at Kate throughout the interview are clear even talking about Waity Katie and the implication that she was the star of the show, was at best childish and worst self serving
I think everyone should just wait and see a. bit more before they blame the RF and the institution for what happened to Meghan. I still don’t understand how, if her husband has sought and received therapy she wasn’t allowed it – perhaps she went to the wrong department HR after all are for employees she should have gone to her private secretary for help. Why would Harry not have told her that if she didnt know. Mind you why would he wait until the 11th hour in a limo to let her know that she would need to curtsy to the queen. I appreciate these are things a Brit would know, but he should have made sure she knew well before lunch. Why couldn’t he have taught her the National anthem, I mean its only 1 verse , with a lot of similarity in the lines, and I am sure like the stars and striped we all have it instilled with us when young, him perhaps more than most. Harry was with her H throughout the marriage. i.e not away at see like Fergie so why didnt he help her more. I appreciate she could also have been lonely, but find it a bit unbelievable that she wasnt allowed to see friends, after all half of the restaurants in London, at that time made their names on the fact Diana ate there. Finally, she said she was silenced, if that is the case why did she reach out to Vogue and ask to be the September editor issue…..
There are a lot of questions about this interview, they are contradicting things they have said previously – why.? Perhaps because they lied at the time, or maybe because it would not have been such a satisfactorily incendiary interview and they wouldn’t have done as much damage . I hope they can sleep at night, particularly Harry to inflict such damage on a 94 year old woman and her dying 99 year old husband who have done one ting all their live which is to try and serve their country and the Commonwealth. Which incidentally is not an empire ,despite Meghan and Harrys clear lack of information and is meant to be force of good ,with the UK acknowledging the past, but seeking to improve today
One last thing Harry and Meghan were never financially cut off, after all they wanted financial independence. However, they were arrogant enough to believe that the UK tax payer would continue to pay hand over fist to keep them safe, despite them making it much harder by not being in royal residences, and therefore more expensive. I have limited sympathy as they had sufficient wealth on their own to support themselves whether inherited or earned. now I wish they would go away and be quiet, but I don’t think thats on their agenda.
Where are you hearing all of these things? (don’t answer that) Since your listening skills are so great, have you heard the one about READING THE COMMENTING RULES BEFORE POST ABOUT THINGS YOU HEAR? https://tamaratattles.com/commenting-rules/
Tamara I am a UK citizen, this has come from palace statements, the law, commentary from Prince Harry before about his Mental health and how he feels about Kate and also the UK press. Or must it automatically be untrue because it is t flattering to MM or potentially because it highlights two sides to every story. PH did not operate in a vacuum before he met MM. I appreciate you may not have read royal press much before MM came on the scene but don’t’ down play others knowledge because its better than yours and not above Bravolebrities.
Oh and by the way, anyone questioned Meghan about the blood diamonds yet?
Yes, I’m in Canada but follow British press & news. I wish I had the patience to type all this. There is some validity to her statements but also a lot that doesn’t add up and many questions left – like where was Harry?
Very self-serving. I think she thought she could be a fairy-tale princess and do good works when & where she wanted – not realizing that it doesn’t quite work like that. I think much of this is a clash of cultures. She’s a Cali girl and was not comfortable in the UK. We’ll see how Harry fares in the sun & sand. He just may miss those reported grey rainy days & countrysides
Gee… None of the “lowly” people from “Suits” or the game show had crap to say about her.
She keeps In touch with MANY longtime friends. The dad stuff hurt her deeply. I believe the reason they are in SoCal is because they are close to friends and family. Notice it is not HOLLYWOOD.
Thank you! If she was such an awful person, why haven’t we heard any stories outside of vague rumors? I’m waiting for all the staff to grow a set and start telling real, concrete stories about William and his temper. He and Kate run through staff at an alarming rate.
2 words TT ‘Murdoch press ‘ understanding Rupert’s influence in international media ( Fox News) and you get an inkling of what a truly awful man’s impact is on democracy across the western world. He still has an unbelievable influence over Australia’s press for someone who renounced his Australian nationality to become American. Look where it’s got America, he is a blight on our future , seriously.
Yes, yes, yes! Thank you!
SPOILER ALERT ~ This is a one sided conversation between catty “friends” that have no clue about this other than what media gives you.
Yes, I’m talking to commenters … here’s a rose for you if one needs it.🌹
Try to be nice, just because opinions differ…
At first I thought it was going to be a fluff piece when Meghan was talking about not knowing much about the royals or googling Harry, but I’m glad it went deeper. I felt incredibly sad for Meghan and her struggles with mental health issues, being in quarantine in our own homes has been a struggle for us all, and that’s basically what she had to endure in new place with no friends or family around and with people who didn’t give a fuck about her while pregnant! That would be an absolute nightmare.
It sounds like Charles is the one who had a problem with a black baby which is really gross, but not surprising given his treatment of Princess Diana. I’m glad they are in close contact with the Queen…that’s gotta be helpful for Harry.
They seem like a happy little family with their recuse chicken, dogs, Archie, and a daughter on the way. I can’t wait to see what they do going forward.
My spidey senses say it was the Queen who had concerns about the black baby and how it would look. It’s definitely a family member and not THE FIRM who had that conversation I think. I felt like they were covering for someone that they still like….
It could be Charles or even the brother I guess. But probably one of those three. I feel like he didn’t really talk to his dad much during all of this.
You really don’t know her at all do you? She’d be the least racist of them all – she has always seen the Common wealth tribal Kings & Queens as peers.
The Royal family, Britain & the Commonwealth were pretty excited to have her marrying in initially. Its not for everyone.
I’d say it was Duchess Michael of Kent – the one who wore the Blackamore broach in front of her – famously racist, elitist & rude
Oh, & when she was staying in Sydney at Admiralty House, home of the Governor General the Queen’s representative in Australia, she was a nightmare – this comes from the staff who worked there.
I don’t know TT’s spidy senses are strong and pretty often well proven!
When it comes to Bravo & Housewives I curtsy deeply to Queen TT! However when it comes to the British Commonwealth & the workings of a Constitutional Monarchy, not so much.
Oh & Archie would not ever have been a Prince until Charles ascends the throne as titles stop with the grandchildren of the sovereign. They actually changed the rules for the children of the Duke of Cambridge as he is the direct heir to Charles, so his 3 children get titles. So while Beatrice is a Princess her son will never be titled.
Archie and the future daughter will both be titled when Charles ascends the throne.
Exactly TT & both Harry & Meghan would have known that so her confusion is disingenuous.
Yes, that was made public that Archie was not titled because King George V proclaimed it must be a child or grandchild of the King/Queen. It had been explained that when Charles becomes King, his grandchildren will be titled, and how William’s son, George, is titled due to being a direct heir of a future King. I agree with you that I do not understand why Meghan included that in with the skin color issue. The skin comment was definitely a bombshell on its own.
Give me a break. The entire institution is racism personified.
Paige Six said it’s not the Queen or her husband, so that leaves Charles and William or maybe both.
Page* lol
Oprah said on good morning America that they made it clear AFTER the interview ..it was not the queen nor her husband that spoke of it…I suspect it was Prince Charles too. And I also think the jealousy over there Australian Tour could’ve been Price Charles as well ..he was definitely jealous and bitter about how well Diana was received and beloved everywhere she went.. My .2 on my spidey sense says that.
I think it was William who asked about the baby’s color. He and Harry had a falling out before the wedding (I think it was before). The argument was couched as William asking Harry if he’s marrying Meagan too soon. My spidy senses tell me the baby comment/question was made at the same time.
William: Don’t you think you are moving a bit too fast? I mean what will your children look like. Their skin colour may be a shade dark.
William could’ve been prompted by other family members to ask since he and Harry were supposedly so close. They don’t want to say who it is because it’s wayyyy too damaging. Duchess Michael of Kent has been a racist. Why protect her? Nah it was the future king…William at the behest of Charles (maybe).
That was my thought too, Bosandi! It never made sense to me that Harry and William would fall out so completely over “are you sure you aren’t moving too fast?” William making disparaging marks about Harry’s future children sure would cause such a rift though!
I think it was Charles who had the “skin color” conversation. Meghan and Harry are better people than me because I would have knocked his teeth straight through his ears. I don’t find her not googling Harry believable but I found everything else genuine. I think she was genuinely scared for her son and husband’s safety. Her husband had the balls to remove them from a toxic situation, which is commendable. As a royal buff I was so happy to see they are still close with the Queen. Charles was a shit husband and he’s clearly a shit father. I hope we get 10.000 more interviews because I cannot get enough!!
They expected, and our Prime Minister was ready to supply, full security whilst here in Canada. On our tax dollar. That didn’t sit well most of us. Both Harry and Megan acted a tad butt hurt over the situation. LA has sunnier weather than Vancouver island anyway.
Megan has an aura of self-righteousness. That doesn’t excuse the terrible media scrutiny she’s received, and racism. British media is truly disgusting. I don’t quite like her though. Not sure why. She is very pretty and seems well spoken. I have always felt Megan wants to control the attention she receives and how it’s perceived. Definitely reaffirmed after watching the interview. Harry is great. Stand up man and husband.
“Megan wants to control the attention she receives and how it’s perceived” – doesn’t everyone want that? I do not understand how that is a fault of hers at all. Especially given the apparent repeated and blatant false stories that have been “reported” about her.
The role of a Royal is a job. When you leave a job, you don’t typically keep the benefits. My husband was literally almost killed on his job. No it’s not royalty or celebrity level. His work is still done the same. He could have quit, not gone back to the dangerous job. Many asked why he did. He wanted to keep his benefits…insurance, 401, pension, etc. I did not agree w/their thinking the Firm, or Canadian tax payers should pay for their security either. I definitely do not want to see them killed and understand his trepidation after his mother’s horrid accident and death. I’m glad they have obtained the lucrative opportunities that they have in the U.S. so they can continue to have security.
Prince Andrew is literally not expected to fulfill any royal duties because of the accusations of participating in Epstein’s heinous behaviors. He still has a royal residence and still has security. His daughter still got a royal wedding. HIs punishment? His mom reduced the 60th birthday celebrations. Whoop de fricking do. Harry pointed out – he was BORN into the position. Born a prince. You can take away all of the honorifics, but you can’t take away the fact that he is the legitimate son of the Prince of Wales, a future king and therefore is a Prince. They can’t take away the fame or the danger – and frankly, everything he went through as a child? He’s earned protection for life.
Exactly somebody here posted .,,why would they expect to be paid and have security when they step back for a senior duties…And I also replied Fucking Andrew didn’t lose shit and his actions are for more Egregious then anything Meghan and Harry could ever do in life!!
They went into that. Because of the stress with the racism and lack of support, they asked to go from being Senior working royals to regular working royals, and would still be doing work — just not at Senior level. But that compromise was refused.
Harry mostly felt their location was too well known in Canada to remain. And yes he was hurt even his security was pulled.
They didn’t leave immediately after his security was pulled. The RCMP stepped in and provided watch over them for a short time. The British media hired float planes and boats to where they were staying. They felt hounded, and rightly so. Megan always wanted to be closer to her Mom. I don’t think Canada was ever a realistic plan, for her anyway.
Gee … How “entitled” and “selfish” to want to be close to your mom and family during A PANDEMIC when you have a baby.
Let’s not forget there was a miscarriage in there too! I have no children and never wanted children, but it is not beyond my limited scope to have great sympathy for someone having a miscarriage. It was a BABY to them and they grieve loss of the baby. Perhaps Meghan was even “vain” enough to have cradled that baby or talked to that baby before she lost him/her. Add hormones to the loss and realize the impact that may have had.
In the uk the coverage on the front pages on Saturday / sunday was so bad I did not buy a paper .Imagine that .No wonder they left,I would have done the same.I have respect for Harry and Tyler Perry for protecting women when needed.suzzy oxford
Could it be that the brits will never be accepting of Americans? That they are majority still a racist country? Still butt hurt America told them to take their tea and gtfo and she just represents a trigger for them? Oh and sorry, I don’t believe for a second that they ever really loved Megan like someone commented here 🙄
Hi, Brit here. This was an interesting interview to watch and it’s actually really frustrating constantly being told because you’re a Brit you don’t like MM.
When she first came to the UK there was a huge amount of positive press about her. Younger people in the uk were excited to see someone shake the royal family up and modernise them. The ‘Hollywood glamour’ was done really nicely and the fact that she had been an independent woman who had made millions on her own was another feather in her cap. Unfortunately there are poisonous people in the press – piers Morgan for example and the likes of the Daily Mail who have and will always print horrible/fake stories. Kate Middleton got her fair share when she married William. For the majority of us (with sense) you take anything the Mail says with a grain of salt and ignore it.
The press are horrible regardless of whether it’s British press or not, look how Britney Spears was treated in America.
There are parts of that interview were you feel incredibly sad for them and also no one should take shots at a pregnant woman about simply being pregnant. She can be as proud as she wants and rightly so.
In the same way the book came across this is only one side of the story and I think if you start condemning either side with limited facts then you’re just doing what was done to MM.
A lot of British people feel it would be nice if they just got on with life in America. Go live how you said you wanted to live.
This interview breaks my heart.
And is the reason why I will not let people call my children “prince” or “princess” …
This interview breaks my heart as well. Harry and Meghan connected over their philanthropist common interests. They had high hopes for their future together. I wonder when Harry said “history repeating itself” he was also talking about Camilla.
I think one of the biggest things for me that lends credence to Meghan’s statements is that while an investigation has been opened into bullying claims made in the tabloids 18 months ago, the Palace has remained silent on Prince Andrew and the pedophilia accusations, including not requiring him to respond to the still outstanding FBI request for an interview. This clearly displays that they pick and choose what is released to the media and who is protected or not.
YES!!
Yes yes yes 👏 👏 👏
I just made that comment about three minutes ago…We cover it here in the US more than they do in the UK…Just concluding that the palace does have the power to shut that shit down and chose not to when it came to Megan at all the horrific racist things with that were said to her
These are public figures, and none of us will ever know the truth about public figures. All we have to go on is whatever the media (which includes Oprah) portrays, and our own “spidey sense”, which will always be the “truth” as seen though the lens of our own psyche and life experiences. On the surface (and I do mean surface), one could view Meghan as someone who married strictly for true love, then became a victim of the royal family and the media. The other “surface” view is that Meghan was a somewhat struggling C list actress who had always craved celebrity and wealth, who received an obvious instant upgrade in both categories through her marriage to Harry, but then wasn’t willing to pay the price of being part of the royal family.
There is no doubt in my mind that the real truth, as in any situation in life, is always going to be bits and pieces of all of the different sides of the story. Personally, I do not believe that I have enough information to form an informed opinion (and it would still only be the opinion of a complete outsider) at this point. This interview only showed one side of the story. I do really appreciate hearing the perspectives of people who actually live in the U.K. And I know it would never happen in a million years, but I’d love to hear the side of the royal family- but that’s not how they roll (which doesn’t make them all good or all evil- it’s thousands of years of tradition).
Struggling C list actress? I never watched, but her TV show was on for 9 seasons. That is in no way “unsuccessful” or struggling. If she had not left and gotten married, it probably would have lasted a little longer according to people I know who watched.
If you google, I think you’ll find many sources characterize Meghan as a C list actress- some as a B list, but more sources seem to classify her status in the acting world as C list. “Struggling” was not a good choice of words, however, compared to the level of wealth that Meghan acquired through marriage (even after Harry being cut off), her prior status as a C to B list actress doesn’t compare to her previous life. She has a level of fame that she would never have had if she had not married into it. That was the point.
I meant to say “doesn’t compare to her “current life”.
I hope I’m not breaking a commenting rule but I think Bettheny has actually apologized and changed her tune after watching the interview!
TT do you watch the Crown on Netflix? This would make for such a good season!
“I’m sorry if it hurt or offended you”- BF
To me this is not an apology. She knows she hurt and offended people hence her addressing it. And she also say it, not I, for her own behaviors. An apology that only address another’s potential feelings and not what you actually did wrong is passive aggressive IMO. Either own it or shut up. She is insulting.
She only said it because #KHive went after her bony ass, with receipts. I’ve always stuck up for BF in the past – but I tweeted at her myself. It was not an apology.
But perversely, I still wanted to trash Carole for trashing Bethenny.
What I find uncanny is Oprah’s ability to drawn on different, unrelated issues (over the course of Meghan and Harry’s time with the Royals) to show us a single theme – being that Meghan (and her kids) faced prejudice.
Prejudice from the press, the royals, the staff/firm and her blood relatives.
After reading all the comments, I appreciate that Meghan and Harry elicit all kinds of emotions, from apathy to zeal.
They could be saints or narcissists. Time will reveal the truth.
Oprah was an absolute pro, like she had evolved to her final form or something. It was incredible to see.
It was obvious she was quite a few moves ahead of them, good thing for them she wasn’t trying to be hostile. Why didn’t Oprah interview R. Kelly???
Maybe he wouldn’t agree to an interview with Oprah.
I do think the changes were difficult for her and the media was unfair. However some of her statements were sensationalized. I have bi-racial niece and her dad had similar comments when on her skin colour before she was born not because of racism but curiosity, for others I know it was about concerns on how the would be treated within family or in public. Hell for years I was self conscious taking her out because of the looks I would get. Black adult white toddler and black toddler (my daughter).
Added to her saying that skin colour convo while having a discussion about him not getting a title is calculated. She would have known that he is not entitled to one until Charles becomes king. It is possible they asked for a courtesy title and was denied. I can understand be mad about that given the risks but the way she painted it just seemed wrong to me.
Other than that the interview was interesting I don’t believe she was always kind but she wasn’t a b!tch 24/7.
We’ve had a recent engagement in our family. We’ve wondered if they plan to have kids, who would be biracial. Sure we’ve wondered who the kids would take after, speculated that if they take after their (Asian) mama they’d be fortunate vs. the the cute but translucent father. But at NO TIME did we use the word “concern”.
That was the tipping point for me -that they were CONCERNED that Archie would turn out darker than Meghan. You only worry about such things if you think they are bad.
Personally, I think it is either one of QE2’s cousins (Princess Michael already showed her racist cards), Andrew, or one of the other women who married into the family who don’t have her poise, ability to speak to large crowds, etc. – Camilla or Kate.
Based on the interview I am not sure anyone was concerned in a negative way. Concern could mean given the racist undertone Meghan already experience there could be concerns for Archy if he were dark. There is no actual context, it’s a little too grey for me. Some of her statements were not truthful which gave me pause.
Given her claims to not have heard of megxit, didn’t research the monarch, implying that Archie not having a title was based on skin color. It seems sketchy. If she said she researched but nothing could have properly prepared her for the actual experience, I would respect that.
I don’t doubt she was mistreated, suffered mentally and felt misunderstood but I feel there is a lot of grey. No one should have to go through what she did and it’s shameful that little to no support was provided.
Wasn’t ambigious to me. “I’m concerned about his skin color” can only be taken one way. Whomever said it had NO worries about how Archie would be treated as a black prince because they said NOTHING about the blatantly racist coverage she got. I don’t think the Palace even issued a statement when one reporter depicted that baby as a MONKEY.
Thank you. I was wondering why no one brought up that a BBC on-air employee published that picture of them with the monkey the day Archie was born. He was fired after an outcry and quietly re-hired and the family never commented. For that reason alone, no one in that family would ever interact with the child if it were mine.
She said they wanted to change the rules so he would not be a prince after Charles becomes King. That they wanted to change the rules specifically because of him. I see a lot of people interpreting what she said instead of simply listening to her words.
Thanks Yveline. I recall that. I just didn’t mentally note the details. But I do remember her saying they wanted to change the rules in some way to keep him from his title. I appreciated your explanation.
This interview made them more human to me. I don’t necessarily believe all that was said but my heart sad for what they had to endure. CBS this morning filled in some blanks.
Meghan being American, of mixed race, divorced and an actress gave her too many strikes against her from day one. The firm was having none of it – even if the British public viewed her as a refreshing change. Maybe Meghan acted like a diva at times but I have the gut feeling Prince Charles would be his own kind of nightmare to work for. But the firm not assisting Meghan with her royal transition said a lot. She was DOA with the firm and they had a Prince and Duchess to spare.
Harry is her puppet
Her plan to remove him from his family from part of her plan from day 1 in my opinion.
she knew what was expected of her as a royal, and she didnt want to do what she signed up for
sorry not sorry
Completely and utterly disagree..I think Harry is happy breaking the chains that bonded him. He even alluded that his brother felt the same way but he too was stuck.
.As they both stated ..many Royals were ALLOWED to-step back from their senior duties and take on a different role and they were not financially cut off or without security.
Prince Andrew comes to mind…
Fuck THE NAZI was given a governorship and an allowance so he could live in France in a goddamn villa and rub elbows with HITLER.
Totally disagree. This is a grown man who served in the military not some weak little boy. He wanted out and he got out. Sorry all the upset females who never had a chance in hell are jealous.
Meghan exemplified Strength and Poise. She has her dignity intact. I’m glad the US now has her and Harry to represent great examples of human kindness to one another.
When I tell you they are a mess in Britain just go on Dailymail and give your opinion. I tell them all the time they wanted to get rid of her now she is gone and her husband is with her leave them alone. I always thought she would have post pregnancy depression and would be suicidal because they kept coming at her. I had no ideal that it was during her pregnancy. I would say Pierce was the leader of the negativity. If you come out for them they will thumbs down you their replies is that she is a liar and an attention seeker. So sad and it will continue.
The nasty press I actually followed was the private jets, which was after Harry made some kind of environmental lecture. The UK press tracked all their private jet runs — and all the royal private jets — for a really long time. They had charts of their carbon footprints and bills and maps of the flights and everything. Stories about Charles’s helicopter trips, the queen’s special private train, and so on. Even William and Kate went on budget airlines because of the fallout on that one.
I was disappointed Oprah didn’t ask at all about the private jets. It seems inconsistent with the no money they were claiming.
You do know lots of people use private jets for security. Especially if you have no security for your wife who had been dragged through the mud and your baby. By the way, I heard that budget airline William and Kate flew on was empty except for them and their entourage.
If flying in private jets is what she meant by security, then maybe I don’t understand what is going on at all.
MM is everything I aspire to be. She is beautiful, eloquent and brave. Her husband truly loves her and their family and they both left behind their lives for each other. The interview broke my heart to hear how hard this has been for them and I am truly happy for them that they seem to be on the other side. Thrilled that they will be adding a beautiful little girl to the family.
There used to be a rule about not posting links, so I won’t post it. But you can find the articles easily enough by googling.
The Queen’s cousin by marriage, Princess Michael of Kent (not spelled with a Cu) chose to wear a pin upon her first meeting with Meghan. A Blackamoor Brooch.
The belly cradling? As a thinnish woman with a tiny pelvis, by the 8th month it feels like you need to help with those muscles. Keeping that belly in place.
Buzzfeed News did a side by side comparison of headlines that Kate got vs. Meghan, doing the same exact things. Beyond the avocado toast. It was maybe a year or two ago?
I just looked at it and the difference is astounding. They showed 20 instances were the coverage was, what I can only believe is willingly, slighted Meghan.
While reading this I can’t help but get strong Yoko Ono/John Lennon vibes.
As others have stated if they wish to leave the monarchy fine that is their decision but they also must accept the fact that inevitable changes come with that decision.
Bloodlines have always been a major factor with the Royal Family, why anyone is surprised at this is confusing.
My guess on who made the comment regarding the child’s skin tone would be either Charles or William.
Yes, an arrogant, wife abusing, neglectful parenting, cantankerous, rich musician and his home wrecker, bad singing wife are exactly the same as Harry and Meghan.
John made his own bed. He was an eccentric moody man who was killed by a crazy person. That is all.
Interesting comparison with John and Yoko. I see what you mean. Although John was more famous than Harry… LOL (hope the intended-to-be-funny comparison with John’s comment on his popularity vs that of Jesus was not lost).
From the time I was a child, my spidey senses tingled at Richard Nixon and Prince Charles. I trust my spidey senses. Because Harry has a great personal relationship with his grandmother and not his dad, it does seem the racist stuff was Charles. None of the “lower on the chain” royals could have had such an impact on the subject. If it were not him (and it is not the Queen or Phillip), he could have quashed all of that shit.
Well … Prince Charles, you once said you wanted to be a tampon inside Camilla. I guess it was JUST A WEE BIT lost in translation because you are a FUCKING DOUCHE! You were in the way you treated Diana and now Meghan.
For years, I have wondered if the Queen is keeping the crown until William can take over. Still wondering.
THIS!^^^
That last is kind of an interesting point, although I do think the queen has an immense sense of duty to her people, and feels that as long has the ability to carry out the functions of her position she will not step down.
But I must admit I don’t think Charles is all that popular certainly less so than Harry. Come to think on that Harry is probably the most popular royal aside from the queen in the world and that includes his brother. Not that I have any reason to cast a side eye at William.
The entire thing is just sad because Harry and Meghan could have done so much for the monarchy.
FWIW, and I’m from the UK, I think the skin colour comments were Camilla or Andrew not Charles.
Meghan is wrongly conflating Archie’s lack of a title (other commenters have explained why he didn’t get one at birth) with his ancestry.
Do I think the fusty archaic white aristo Royal set could be racist? 100%
Do I think the UK is more racist than the USA? No.
(Let’s not forget that today marks the start of the murder trial of ex police officer Derek Chauvin.)
Harry & Meghan are being completely disingenuous stating how close they are to the Queen whilst pulling the pin out of a grenade and hurling it at Buckingham Palace. The BRF has evolved under her reign since 1952. Go after the ‘Institution’ and you go after the Queen. The two entities cannot be separated.
Ultimately, I think Harry wanted to leave the BRF and meeting Meghan gave him an exit route. I and the vast majority of Brits have no quibble with them leaving. I think this was their plan all along and the narrative of ‘the press bullied us out of the UK’ was in part the explanation they needed for their departure.
The British tabloids are utterly misogynistic. Before Meghan they went after Kate, Sarah Ferguson and Diana who was hounded by photographers. William and Harry were never pursued in that way and nor was H & M. There are very few pap shots of the couple and the ones we have seen were probably set up. Yes I do think Meghan set up pap shots. Diana had friendly journalists who she briefed to get her side of the story in the press and she also tipped off photographers.
I think this interview was very sad to watch. Whatever I think of Meghan – and I’m not an unalloyed fan – I wouldn’t wish that distress and despair on anyone. Meghan had nothing to lose from this interview – ZERO! Harry by contrast has done a lot of damage to his own blood family who have so far had no right to reply.
It will be interesting to see how the BRF responds.
I agree with everything you’ve said.
Meghan and Archie are his family. He should protect them which is more than his father did for his mother or his son. I think Harry knows exactly what he is doing. What father cuts off his son’s access? They have had all time in the world to respond.
I think that your analysis sounds very fair and credible. I don’t think things are as simple as “Meghan as the poor innocent victim” or “Meghan as the strategic, somewhat diva-esque, controlling person who drove Harry away from the U.K and his family”. I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle, because Meghan did “twist” some of the facts to make it sound like they were victimized (like Archie not having a title, and like the security being removed when they chose to leave the royal family- I suppose they expected the citizens of the U.K to fund their lifestyle choices on their backs, even though they were no longer serving the country).
I do have great sympathy for Meghan’s pain and struggles with her mental health, but not total respect for the portrayal of absolutely everything related to the situation as the two of them being “victimized” due to Meghan’s mixed race. The royal family has been tough on many, many people.
Yes, I thought the comments Harry made about not being financially supported anymore by the BRF – when he has millions in inherited wealth and so many people have lost jobs and businesses in the pandemic – was tone deaf.
Do we still get paid for a job after we’ve handed in our notice and cleared our desk?
Exactly! She’s making this all about race and I’m not buying it. I didn’t even know she was biracial until she got engaged to Harry. She’s a 39 year old woman, not some 19 year old like Diana who didn’t know what she was getting into. I feel bad for Harry and hope he finds peace
I saw a lot of true sadness in Harry’s face and eyes throughout the interview. And it’s so true- Meghan had nothing to lose by this interview. Harry’s ties with his family were already torn (hopefully not permanently- he did say in such a heartfelt way that he hopes to repair the relationship with his father, which anybody should be able to understand, even if Charles is a douche). But, this interview has the potential to hurt his grandmother. I don’t blame them for leaving a situation that wasn’t working for them, but why throw grenades behind you as you walk forward?
I agree with all of Kat’s posts which all seem to have a central message. That is that the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
I just took a look at the available hate crime statistics for England and Wales, and to that of the US.
The US with a population of 328,239,523 reported 7,314 hate crime incidents involving 8,559 offenses.
England and Wales alone no representative of the UK population alone is 57,100,000 and they reported 105,090 incidents of hate crimes.
The way each classify hate crimes may be significantly different, without a lot more research I can’t say, but those numbers are fairly astonishing given the significantly larger population of the US, and again those numbers are for England and Wales not the entirety of the UK.
Just looking at these numbers casually I would say it’s a bit premature to make bold statements like the US is more racist as a nation than the UK. I also read an article that claims Britons themselves say not only that it’s a problem but they’re of the opinion that it’s getting worse.
If I had to venture a guess I would say by percentage of population they’re probably very similiar, with the UK containing more incidents of racism due to its extensive relationships with its former colonies. Which isn’t to say the US is good by any means. The UK has always struck me as an Island nation to be fairly insular. Which may be an overstatement on my part but I’d welcome your input.
TBH I wasn’t saying the US is worse in terms of race hate crime than the UK, just that both countries have a problem but perhaps that wasn’t clear from what I wrote.
I know there has been a big increase in hate crime in the UK since Brexit but I’d want to know how those figures break down – based on race/gender/sexual orientation/religion/disability? And I would assume a lot of this sort of crime just doesn’t get reported at all which is even more disturbing.
In terms of insularity, Brexit definitely brought to the surface a kind of ‘Little England’ xenophobia which appalls me personally. People who came to live in this country from other parts of the EU said they felt less welcome. There’s been an increase in far right extremism which appears to also be an issue in the US, if the rise of the Proud Boys and similar groups is anything to go by.
All very depressing.
Lisa – I think the family uses that terminology to differentiate between just being a family, and that whole institutional part of it – no other family has an inhouse public relations division, security, etc. I felt that they were really hinting that a lot of this has to do with the non familiy members of the firm as well. They are the leaks, the manipulators, etc. (It has happened to many a royal in history… look at Rasputin!
The family members are more or less EMPLOYEES of the firm. The firm is the LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE who are really in power and tell the EMPLOYEES what to do. For example, HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN wanted to go spend the night with Prince Harry and Meghan. The FIRM told her she had more important things she needed to do (even though she was, she thought, free that night) and so she could not go.
THE FIRM runs the show and makes all the decisions, holds the passports and ID in their possession and hold all the cards so to speak. THE FAMILY is the face of the business and makes the public appearances at the behest of THE FIRM. Thus Prince Harry saying that THE FAMILY is trapped. It is also THE FIRM who sidles up to the tabloids for some unknown reason trying to get good press. That doesn’t seem to be working for THE FIRM or THE FAMILY.
Not true TT. Do you really think flunkeys would be able to tell the Queen not to meet Harry and Meghan? That’s crazy. She’s the monarch!!
The courtiers serve the members of the royal family or ‘principals’ as they’re called. You’ve got it completely topsy turvy if you don’t mind me saying.
And they don’t ‘sidle up to the tabloids’. This is what people in the US just don’t understand. The BRF are seen as public servants not celebrities. There is a symbiotic relationship between them and the press as they need newspapers to publicise their work which then justifies the many perks of living a very privileged life.
That’s true of the entertainment industry too and the army of publicists that barter access to their clients for interviews and stories. Meghan and Oprah would know that better than most.
I think the firm serves the position/office not the person to ensure continuity regards of the person in the position. To protect the entire royalty and future generations against the possibly foolish action of one royal. In that sense I think the queen could every much be powerless.
I think it was probably Prince Charles and Prince William who changed the Queen’s mind at the time H & M were exiting the family.
That’s because you clearly don’t follow conversations or logic very well. Stay in school.
Yes as an Australian we’ve always been taught that the Queen and the royals are just very wealthy public servants and the 4 billionaires who own 70% of the British press I push a very pro monarchy and conservative agenda. It is indeed a symbiotic relationship one feeds on the other
Not true. There is no way the press have access to the information to the Royal family without some type of relationships. Seems like you are the naive one.
Jasmine, you really should STFU if you didn’t watch the interview. It was all explained very carefully during the Interview and further on the news shows. I’m not pulling this out of my ass. I’m literally recapping what Prince Harry and Meghan Markle said in their own words.
So have several fucking seats. SOMEWHERE ELSE.
Did I say I hadn’t watched the interview? Mmmkay TT.
Love you, have a great day. Mwah!
The tabloids even have their holiday party at the castle every year. That sounds a lot like sidling to me (but then again, I’m just a stupid American 🤫).
I don’t know. I think in large part the queen is a prisoner of duty. But I do think it nice that she wanted to spend the night with them.
YUP!!!! Great way of explaining.
People also forget that the Queen is 93 years old. Trusted advisors/caretakers will be listened to.
If you desire to be powerful but not in the limelight – you will pick a team. If you picked Kate? Meghan is a threat to that popularity with the tabloids, etc. Suddenly, the spare’s wife could potentially upstage the future Queen. They did this a bit with Fergie, and plus, people always want to claim “cat fight!” with women. But they didn’t have the race thing to be REALLY nasty to Fergie (and they were pretty nasty)
Megan lost me when she said she never googled Harry, wasn’t aware she should curtsy before the Queen and knew nothing about “royalty”. It’s very easy to google therefore easy to find photos of Megan in front of Kensington Palace as a teenager. It’s also easy to google and find photos where she is dressed EXACTLY like Diana. Why would she do that?
It is also a known fact that she was personal friends with Eugenie prior to meeting Harry.
She wasn’t so trapped that she couldn’t jet to NYC to have a $200,000.00 baby shower thrown for her. Something the royals would never do or approve of for any other member of the family.
She knows making herself out to be a victim in a very similar way to Diana pulls at Harry’s heartstrings making him willing to do anything for her. I even question if her suicidal thoughts while pregnant was her way of throwing herself down the stairs. Unfortunately she has given us many reasons to question her, none of which have anything to do with her skin color. And for those reasons it’s hard to have sympathy for her.
If the discussions of the baby’s skin are real it is awful and the name should be made known so the other suspects are not under that horrible cloud of suspicion.
I realize my opinion won’t be popular on this site but thankfully opinions are like assholes. We all have them….
Well if you care, you opinion is well received by me JRich. I too didn’t believe all the hogwash about not Googling the family or just sort of happening upon Prince Harry. I totally believe that she set her sites on him and got him. There are a lot of reasons to question her.
But I do believe she was suicidal and that she was not allowed mental health and lots of the other things. I also believe that both of them now have a solid family unit for the first time in their lives. And that they just want to live happily ever after and I am pulling for them.
Whatever happened to the redhaired stable guy who was um…friends with Diana? I think they should look him up at this point.
TT, I agree, I think she totally wanted him, and, hell WHO WOULDN’T? Gorgeous, smart, fit, kind, dynamic. I think she just knows how it’s going to look if she admits it (even though there’s nothing wrong with her having a crush and going for it, if I’d been in her place, I would have, too!) The Spencers are descended from the Tudors and from Elizabeth of York, many of whom were red headed and described as hotties in their youth (Henry VIII as a young man was over 6 feet with dark red hair and athletic as hell, if you can picture it). I think Harry got those genes from Diana.
Neigh! NEIGH!
The red haired riding in did not enter Diana‘s life until after Harry was born… although at this point I think it would be a better option for Harry.
The red haired riding instructor did not enter Diana’s life until after Harry was born…Although at this point I think it would be a better option or Harry.
I would be thrilled if he could claim someone else as a father than Charles, truly. I just don’t think its the case. As Beekeeper says below, that guy was in the picture after Harry’s birth
Also Harry looks more like his father, Charles, than William does. Same eyes, nose. He also has Philip’s chin.
WOW. I just doubled check that and it’s true, he showed up when Harry was around two. He looks so much like James Hewitt.
Do I sense intimation that young Harry wasn’t sired by Charles? Curiously I’m hearing quite a bit of that lately if it is, although I have also read that Princess Diana did have red-headed family members on her side of the family.
Years ago when the pictures first emerged of the guy who “may be” Harry’s father, I thought 100% there was no way that that wasn’t his father. That was until I saw pictures of Diana’s brother at all different ages. They also look very much alike. I just can’t help but to think that after all these years, if he truly isn’t Charles’ son, a royal insider close to the family would have leaked it in a way that we wouldn’t doubt. Now, with the recent events if we still don’t hear from insiders that he’s not Charles’ biological son, then I think is safe to say that he is. That’s my thoughts on it.
I’m fairly sure there has been a dna test either with or without Harry’s knowledge of it.
Oh no doubt.
I’m totally sympathetic to everything that’s happened to them. I follow another site that’s really into the royals. This is all so nuanced
W bits of and pieces of truth bathed in lies and exaggeration. People have spoken abt her losing her temper maybe she did but after how many micro aggressions And how many slights? As someone posted up thread – she can be both the victim and the “bully” depending on how it’s presented. One fact is that the British tabloids were horrible and racist towards her. And That’s not an opinion. It’s a provable fact.
Now, I too find it hard to believe she knew nothing abt the royal family. Could we be taking this too literal though? Of Course she knew they existed but maybe didn’t know the inner workings? It’d be impossible to prepare for what she experienced.
Also her bit abt meeting the Queen and not realizing she’s have to curtsy was a little far fetched.
That said, if she pursued him so what, Kate pursued William for 11 years.
I’ll give her a pass on the curtsy thing. That meeting with the queen was probably early in their courtship, and while she may understand the concept I’m sure she didn’t mind the coaching.
One of the many things that blows my mind is this business of the monarchy cutting off their security team. Between the queen being extremely wealthy, and the royal family so symbolic all over the world, any well-known members would be huge targets for mercenaires or terrorists.
Their security is paid for by the UK Treasury. Costs are not disclosed, for, well, security reasons. For 2019-20 they received roughly 49 million pounds via the Sovereign Fund, to cover operating costs, and travel expenses, and they’re still projected to have a shortfall of 35 million pounds due in large part to the pandemic, and to their credit the family is not going to be asking for more money to cover the difference, that would have been tone deaf had they done that frankly.
I’m asking myself was this a petty slight or are they’re real financial considerations involved. Frankly I don’t know, but I kind of want to.
Sorry meant Sovereign Grant not fund.
I do wonder if the security team would have been cut off if they were truly penny less? The fact that Harry and Meghan are multi millionaires (Harry was left 40 million dollars and they have endless big-money earning potential), combined with their choice to leave the U.K. and leave their service to the country, does at least call into question whether security should continue to be funded by the tax dollars of citizens, many of whom are poor to middle class. If Meghan and Harry were not wealthy (and able to afford their own security), that might be different, however, if I were a citizen of the U.K., I would not want my tax dollars to fund independently wealthy people who made the independent choice to relinquish service to their country (no matter how “valid” their personal choices might be). It’s at least a question worth considering, and I don’t believe that looking at all sides of an issue is vitriolic. Choices are hard to make, but all choices come with both good and bad consequences.
There we go with that fake $40 million number again… Le sigh.
Yeah, you’re right. I should know better. But they’re not hurtin” He did say that they could never have afforded to break free if he didn’t have the $. It’s a tricky issue.
The monarchy is a money generating engine for the UK to the extent that is the case then I think it’s reasonable to have the State pick up the cost of their security. I’ve seen an estimate that the monarchy generates 1.8 billion pounds for the UK economy which far outstrips what the country pays for their security and for their operating costs.
I have some questions about the security, maybe someone can help? I believe if they had stayed at their provided home security would have been continued. Did Megan and Harry’s choice to leave, change that in the sense that the Commonwealth became responsible for security cost? I’m originally from Canada, and still remain a citizen. I know there was an uproar around RMCP footing the cost at the taxpayers expense to continue to provide security. The firm has accountability and follows a protocol that Harry no longer fell under the guidelines of, after stepping down from his formal role. To be angry about his family not personally taking on the financial responsibility to pay for his private security seems a little entitled. Tyler Perry was so gracious to allow them to stay in his home and utilize his security team, but I felt like the undertone of the interview made it seem like they did not have the means to provide security for themselves. Maybe some can explain this? I’ve heard between 10 and $40 million dollars was left to him by his mother…
The actual amount that Harry received was never publicly disclosed. So everyone is estimating. Most news agencies I watched set the figure at around 16 million. Still, no one knows for sure.
Even if it was 10 million I would assume he would be able to rent a house and pay for security. Right? It was kind of Tyler Perry (via his relationship with Oprah and Oprah’s relationship with Meghan) to offer his house and security.
Jasmine, Has Andrew’s uniform, medals, security etc been stripped away? He was “fired” for cause.
Now that Meghan’s dad is on Team Royal, it looks pretty dismal for them. The best thing the Queen could do, is acknowledge, like most families, the last year has had challenges for them. They will immediately suspend the bullying investigation, and focus on the senior staff for any racist actions or remarks.
Immediately restore Harry’s military honors, and service, as well as the charities. He actually served, rather than cosplayed.
Don’t get me started on Andrew – what an absolute disgrace. He’s apparently the Queen’s favourite which perhaps explains why very little has been done.
But this thread is about the Oprah interview and I’ve never said Harry should have lost his military appointments. I’ve also said the security issue is complicated.
If you google Hewitt now, as well as Prince Charles, Harry’s eyes are much more like Charles than Hewitt’s.
Harry and Charles eyes are narrower and closer together. His chin and jaw resemble Phillip’s.
OH GREAT NEWS FOR BRITS TODAY! PIERS MORGAN HAS OFFICIALLY QUIT GOOD MORNING BRITAIN AND ITV BASICALLY SAID GOOD RIDDANCE!
Also the Queen made the following statement:
“The whole family is saddened to learn the full extent of how challenging the last few years have been for Harry and Meghan.The issues raised, particularly that of race, are concerning. Whilst some recollections may vary, they are taken very seriously and will be addressed by the family privately. Harry, Meghan and Archie will always be much loved family members.”
I think that is a perfect response.
As much as I find him distasteful. I think he should be heard.
Voltaire said, “I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
Yes- absolutely spot on response….
Yeah I just don’t like the some recollections may vary because that can go either way, and since Harry, and Meghan are not sheltered by the institution anymore it sort of points more in their direction by default.
Still to her credit she did issue a statement.
I live in England. Since 1987. I am not British nor do I have a UK passport. I am not a Royalist, but I admire the Queen for the job she has done. My take on this subject ( for what it’s worth) is:
36 year old, Trustafarian, Royal Prince was denied privileges that came with the job he gave up. Daddy also stopped additional funding of £8 Million a year. So he comes out and blames Daddy for being a racist.
Thanks for your opinion, Piers. Good luck with the job search.
(All you racists sound alike)
Simple Julie
Don’t give me any credit, you’ve shown yourself to be a bigot on your own.
Thanks!
I would never give you any credit, Julie.
LOL DON’T MAKE ME PULL THIS CAR OVER!
Seriously. Y’all are arguing about nothing and throwing around some serious words.
Wow, y’all throw the racist and bigots labels around pretty freely. Seems a bit unfair to Micmac. She says she doesn’t like Piers but he should not be silenced. That’s not racist of bigotry.
I agree with her if we can add to the ending, “he should be drowned in a lake of fire,”
hear hear
I know, there is some resemblance with James Hewitt, TT, but as you read, he wasn’t even in her life until Harry was a toddler. I really do think Harry gets a lot of genetics from Diana’s York/Tudor/Spencer blood. Plus, as someone else pointed out, he has some look of Prince Phillip as a younger man. I also think Diana still thought until after Harry’s birth that things might still work out with Charles. I think those few years after he was born really broke her, hence the affair. I can’t blame her. I think Hewitt got really stalkery and vindictive after it ended. I was trying to refresh my memory. I think he sold her love letters. I can’t remember if he wrote a book.
I tried to keep up with all the comments. Just not possible. Tamara, would you consider polls on your site? Is that an option? I appreciate the candidness of the interview. I feel there were some inconsistencies. Poll question one: Was the comment about the baby’s / babies skin color made when she was pregnant or when they were dating? I would appreciate that poll question. The other would be: Is it possible that you used to admire Bethenny Frankel but now think she pre-interview tweeted to once again stay “relevant” and now can not stand her. Yes/No/Who the eff is this dumb bitch. I hope my choices for pole question 2 make it clear how I feel about BF.
Sorry. I wanted to do a poll recently myself on another matter but I’d need to use plugin and I didn’t find one that I trusted.
Well, shoot, I can answer that one right now. Yes, yes I totally agree that ForumDude is a most awesome dude, and deserves special recognition. True story.
I’m Tamara Tattles, and I endorse this statement. And might add that ForumDude is also fun to argue with. 🙂
Ok let me preface this as this is just my opinion and I recognize the difference between facts and opinion\perception. I found Harry as really authentic and genuinely concerned for his wife and son. You can see the pain on his face and the sacrifices he has made to keep his family safe. The comments about Archies skin color which I believe are true are disgusting and if it wasn’t something said in private but the driving force to deny him his title when Charles takes the throne well then I say let the monarchy burn. To clarify I mean privately making a racist comment is disgusting but separate from racist policy. Family matter vs Government Policy.
Now on to Meghan, I find her to be a master manipulator and I believe she is a covert narcissist. I find her completely controlled and aware of everything she displays and I don’t see anything authentic about her. I believe she is crafting her image and cares a great deal about it. She is no dummy. It appeared to me she wants and feels like her Son should be titled and owed his birthright while also claiming she’s just Meghan and that stuff doesn’t matter. It felt like a moment she revealed herself and Oprah tried to give her a way out and Meghan was clear she wanted her son to be a prince. You expect to quit being a royal but still have titles and the money from the commonwealth. I found this ridiculous and extremely far fetched. I do believe papa Charles should have bankrolled security from his personal funds until they got settled but I don’t believe children have the right to expect things when they make those types of decisions I just think a good parent would have done that.
Mental Illness claims: I believe if she did go to the firm for help that she wouldn’t have received it and no matter what I don’t agree with that. nobody should have to suffer the onslaught of British tabloids. She didn’t deserve that no matter what. I would have liked to see her acknowledge her own father added fuel to the fire. It felt like that was a huge turning point with the tabloids, It then became Jerry Springer like and a free for all. I found her comments about Kate classless, it’s common knowledge the palace doesn’t comment on stupid stuff like that and it’s not Kates fault as she’s not allowed to comment. So she made you cry and she felt bad and made it right all privately while receiving no credit for it. Good job throwing her under the bus and pointing out once again how you were victimized. I think she should have stuck with the comparisons the press did with them which were completely unfair. I did agree with her comment about if you love her you don’t have hate me and if you love me you don’t have to hate her. The media is to blame for this not the palace. I believe this was another moment she revealed herself.
I was frustrated with her remarks about her wedding really being a show for the world and not about them, well welcome to royalty! Your living off public money and part of that comes with the public life. It came across as ungrateful. In my bones I don’t trust this woman and there is much more than meets the eye with her. Hopefully I am wrong as a Harry really seems to love her and he sacrificed everything for her. Their son is beautiful and I do wish them safety and protection. I don’t think either of them are entitled to receive money (that includes security that the taxpayers pay for) from the government when they are no longer a working Royal.
I agree with many of your opinions. But I think their secret wedding shows how much they truly love each other. It wasn’t (IMHO) a dis at all the fanfare. And it doesn’t mean she didn’t enjoy the fairytale version. I’m sure it was equal parts stressful as hell and like being in a dream. She certainly loves attention. I think all of us agree on that one thing. But a private ceremony between just the two of them, not done for show, must have been very meaningful. I think it was TMZ who reported that the prior ceremony was not actually official due to the lack of witnesses. But that wasn’t the point. They wanted to write their own vows and make personal commitments. I think that was sweet.
Also, I think I choose to believe at least some of the things Meghan said in the interview because I want the fairytale to be true. So that probably clouds my judgement and perhaps the judgment of others. Even I don’t buy everything she was selling. But, I need someone to have a happily ever after these days. And I feel like… even though she set her sites on Harry and got him right where she wanted him, that they are truly in love. And we need to celebrate love in a time with so much hate. Even here, on this site.
I agree about the private ceremony I just think the way she revealed it felt off. Again just my gut but you’re right let’s hope this is genuine love and they get their happily ever after.
Well fuck. “You’re right” is something I don’t hear often lol. Thanks.
Wow 😳
What is it now, old man?
Wow – There are a lot of strong opinions around here. Why all the hate? Agree with them or disagree with them, I think it took a lot of courage to take the path they’ve taken and I wish them luck and happiness.
The more we discuss it, the more depressed I get about the whole thing. I’m sure it’s all more complex with various gradinets of who is telling the most accurate version of events, and also we have how different people involved viewed things, people are subjective when emotions get involved. Whatever the case, it’s now kind of a big, sad mess on one level and I’m sad that Harry and William are estranged because I always sensed they were extremely bonded. I don’t think Meghan needed to Google Harry or his family because she already knew some people in it and maybe she was really caught off guard when Harry announced the Queen would be joining them last minute and she wanted a lesson in how to curtsy properly for her. It would have scared the hell out of me and I would want clarification. I think they GENUINELY love and adore each other. I hope it was Charles that made the disgusting comments about skin tone because I’ve already thought him an ass for a long time. I would hate to think it was William or the Queen. Also, I’d be shocked if it was the Queen considering how genuinely delighted she looks in every pic I’ve ever seen of her with Archie AND I can’t imagine her uttering something so crass at this stage of her life. I just can’t. I kind of wish now that they’d never done the interview. I think it came from a place of deep hurt, but in the end it probably won’t accomplish more than widening that rift with their extended family. Maybe they’re ALL toxic and Meghan and Harry are better off burning their bridges and never looking back. Sometimes it’s the case in families and there’s nothing else to be done. I don’t know, I’m not them. But the softy in me wishes for some healing and repairing of those bonds, if only between Harry and William and their grandmother, and then Meghan and Kate by extension. I know they’re famous and rich and in gilded cages, but they’re still just humans. Maybe the fishbowl high stress got to both Kate and Meghan and they started turning that on each other. I think they’re more alike and have more in common than they realize. And I mean that in the best possible way.
I know my comment is a bit shallow (considering everything that was said), buttttt… Is it just me, or did Harry look sexier than ever?
You’re just saying what we’re all thinking… Sooooo
Not sure who you are talking about, but if you read her opinion, clearly I let her state it. I’m also allowed to respond to commenters opinions.
I’d like to hear more from Canada. There seems to be a lot of animosity about Canada having to pay for security when they were there.
I’m by no means an expert on Commonwealth countries. But I have lived under the assumption that some taxes go to England? Is that true? To me, and again I have not clue, but I would think that when the Royal family visits a commonwealth state, they provide security. If the Prince and is wife would have moved to Canada or Australia or wherever, that is part of the responsibility as a common wealth country.
Anyone care to share how that works? I know the Canadians are saying it is their military or whatever who had to provide security, but I feel like that is part of the responsibility of a commonwealth country.
No taxes from Commonwealth countries goes to the UK. The commonwealth is in effect the old Empire, albeit free to join or leave as you wish and is just really a support system/ friendship network to support environmental issues, democracy and to give small states a voice on the World stage. The Queen, is the head currently – Although that will probably change on her death and another country will take over.
The reason M&H went to Oz and SA is because they are part of the Commonwealth and they were given the positions of Vice President jointly as it would have appealed to their wish to support the young and also probably because a lot of the demographic would be people of colour so this would have been appealing to M as she has stated in the past. It a real sadness for the Commonwealth that M&H didnt work out and despite my dislike of M as an arch manipulator and hypocrite I sincerely believe that
From Canada. When there is a Royal visit, the Canadian taxpayer pays for the whole shebang. Every expense. When Harry and the shebeast (seriously just joking) came to Canada, it was a vacation, not a Royal visit. But everything except the donated house was covered including security, provided free of charge by the RCMP. (free for them, not the taxpayer) The vacation was for six weeks, and they asked the Queen for this time off after the whole hoopla that they created in Africa. It was an official visit to Africa, but they both gave interviews basically stating that they were stressed out. Meghan said to a reporter, who asked how she was and she seemed near tears when answering that no one else has asked how she was. It created huge issues about her flair for the dramatics. Harry also spoke emotionally about his own disdain for his family. Meghan never returned to the UK until their last agreed upon series of events for Commonwealth week. Incidentally this interview with Oprah, was also aired during Commonwealth week.
In each province’s capital city, there is a “Government House”. A home completely supported by the taxpayer. It is technically the Queens home. In each province we have a Lieutenant Governor who is the Queen’s rep. The Lieutenant Governor is supposed to reside in Government House. In Edmonton, Alberta, the house has been unoccupied for decades. For the country, Canada’s rep is called the Governor General. Yes, all taxpayer funded. They were to have another summit, one year after their final duty, however Harry made contact with the Queen and advised it was a permanent decision. It was the Queen’s decision last year that they had to be all in or all out. They could not flit back and forth between regular person and a Royal member. And for the record, the Queen did not strip Harry of medals and badges etc that he earned during his military service. She stripped him of his military patronages. Americans don’t seem to understand the difference. A patronage is basically an organization or charity for whom you are a figurehead, no different than if he was the patron of the Royal Opera Society.
Meghan’s new residence is in a spectacular private area
for the rich and famous. It’s about 45 minutes from where I have lived for 60 years.
At the end of the day … if she wants privacy … she is not doing anything for it.