I need you guys not to castrate me for this. This is how I see it. Breonna was dating a drug dealer. Or Some kind of criminal. So the cops exercised a no knock warrant I do not think think that should even be a thing} and her boyfriend shot first a the cops thinking they were intruders. So the boyfriend thought he was being attacked and shot at the guys. BECAUSE WHO DOES THIS?
Sadly, Breonna went out there to STAND BY HER MAN! I would have done the same thing in her situation. THAT SAID, you just don’t run into gunfire. I mean I would for my boyfriend, but…she is dating shady people. The cops were there to get her boyfriend. She is not blameless in this. She had a shitty boyfriend.
This is my opinion. What am I missing here? I get that she was killed in her own house but what I need you guys to explain is why this chick with a drug dealer boyfriend is so important.
Oh and Ben Crump is the worst person in the world.
So don’t scream at me, make me understand.
I really don’t understand the whole thing. Apparently you are sleeping with dealer?
The officers knocked and announced before entering with force, this was witnessed. Breonna and BF were standing together (not the safe move) and BF shot one of the two officers. Officers fired back. Officer outside also fired but hit apt 3 rather than Breonna’s apt 4. That is what he was indicted for.
I watched every second of the AGs press conference and every Q&A. I then went to twitter to see what was being said. Unreal how pieces and parts were left out or turned around, all to incite more violence.
Is it sad that a woman made some unfortunate choices in her life and ultimately died because of those choices? Yes, of course that’s sad. Blaming police for defending themselves and inciting riots across the country is not going to help Black lives in any way.
Two police officers were shot by rioters in Louisville. Now LeBron James says he will post bail for any people who got arrested Is just disgusting.
That’s what happens when Twitter folk don’t watch the unedited news conference in its entirety before they comment.
You do know the boyfriend in the apartment was not the one on the warrant. So according to you the young lady deserved to die because she dated a drug dealer at one time. And I can guarantee that Lebron has had his own negative experiences with the police as almost all black men have. Ask some black third grade school boys sometimes about their experiences with the police and I think you would be shocked. They know way more than they should and it is not because of what people tell them. It is because of what they have seen and experienced. It tends to shape your views and when it continues because people find ways to justify it, it gets extremely frustrating.
She was receiving drug packages at her residence on behalf of her drug dealer ex, as I understand it. And this was a multiple location/multiple subject gang takedown, so police will do simultaneous entries to protect officers and prevent the destruction of evidence.
So the search warrant for her residence was warranted, based on ongoing criminal activity.
There is NO evidence Breonna was receiving drug packages for her ex-boyfriend. The narcotics team went to the postmaster general to ask if suspicious packages were being delivered to Breonna Taylor’s home, the postmaster general said NO.
I would like to add a couple of more important points. Breonna Taylor was not under investigation. Breonna Taylor was never suspected of selling drugs to anyone. Breonna Taylor was never suspected of possessing drugs. The team that entered Breonna Taylor’s home that night was NOT a trained SWAT team, it was three narcotics officers in street clothes. The police claimed they knocked and announced themselves, Kenneth Walker, who was with her did not hear them announce and 16 neighbors, did not hear the police announce themselves.
The search warrant was for the location. It isn’t specific to the individual whose name is on the lease. Lots of criminals split time between their mother’s home and a girlfriend’s, for one example, yet the police can have sufficient probable cause to search if contraband is known to have entered the house.
Something Clever, There was zero evidence there were drugs or drug activity in that house. In fact, there were no drugs found.
Walker is on a jail tape admitting that there was a bang and police yelling before he fired the first shot. He also talked about using Breonna’s apartment for receiving hold holding drugs and money. Her ex also received drug packages there. This was a long investigation prior to the raid. Breonna wasn’t an innocent victim. She was fired from her EMT job after a body was discovered in the trunk of a car rented under her name. You hang out with criminals, you receive packages for criminals, you handle their money and you’re a part of their criminal activity then there’s consequences for that.
PixnTrix, Please site where you got the information regarding Kenneth Walker stating he and Breonna used the apartment for hold drugs and drug money.
The postmaster general has gone on record stating Breonna Taylor was NOT receiving suspicious packages at her apartment. The police used this unsupported claim to obtain an illegal search warrant.
SuzyJane;
Breonna Taylor was involved in Glover’s drug dealing since 2016. The compiled evidence consists of phone records, video footage, recorded phone calls, and A dead body even being found in her car within this time frame— an associate drug dealer of her ex who she was still working with. The warrant had HER house address and HER car HER NAME and HER social security number on it. She was involved and had been. Read the redacted report. Facts matter
VHunt, Absolutely, facts matter. The police were not investigating Breonna Taylor. Breonna Taylor was not being accused of any crime. The warrant was obtained with false information. Enough! with the victim blaming.
Walker was her NEW boyfriend and not the old (3 months?) drug dealer … he couldn’t hear the police officers voices (TV too loud?) … fired a warning shot & police shot back … Breana was a bystander
the old boyfriend used her car multiple times , used a phone in her name & had postal services delivering packages at her house … thats why they got the warrant … and they knocked on the door … civilian witnesses
Very infortunate accident with multiple mistakes! RIP Breana
Sorry but there is tons of evidence. Also she was not an emt. She was let go for after 4 months of training. She also had a dead drug dealer found in the trunk of her rental car. She was neck deep in the drug game. There r multiple taped jailhouse phone calls implicating her. Her name was on the warrant plus she is on film leaving the drug house with packages multiple times. Her boyfriend also made her walk in front of him who does that if they think they r being broken into
https://www.wkyt.com/2020/08/26/warrants-issued-for-arrest-of-breonna-taylors-ex-boyfriend-amid-leaked-new-documents/
There was also no drugs found in her residence. She was shot 5 times. Nobody on the tried to administer any first aid. This woman was a daughter, sister aunt, friend, cousin, partner. I can’t believe the lack of empathy, and compassion for a innocent victims loss of life. It’s ignorance at its finest.
Actually, if you actually looked into it, her ex boyfriend while in jail used the phone that was tapped and admitted that both Breonna and her current bf were apart of the drug dealing. He’s the one who said she was receiving packages, and they were then brought to the trap house, that her car was seen going to on multiple occasions. The reason they didn’t find anything was because the packages were already taken to the trap house.
She was a suspect or she wouldn’t of been on the warrant. She was suspected because of her ex bfs phone call while he was in jail. You can try and spew the leftist narrative but the facts are the facts, and claiming otherwise doesn’t change those facts. They have a witness that suggests otherwise.
That’s a lie! They entered the wrong apartment. They admitted that from the get go.
That’s not true please go listen to the special prosecutors press briefing.
Wrong! Her name was on the warrant & so was her vehicle! She was fired from her EMT job! BLM was responsible for the false narrative! STOP THE LYING!
That was disproven. She had received ZERO packages on his behalf, even when he wasn’t an ex. (FYI, broke up over 2 years ago)
As for the simultaneous entries? They apparently fucked up, because the dealer was already in custody when they went to her door. I”ve not confirmed that part yet.
Erica, This is one point that can be conceded to the police. I don’t remember the exact timeline but Glover was arrested only a short time before the police broke through Taylor’s door. Was there time to contact the other unit, yes, but understandable that it didn’t happen.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/09/24/correcting-misinformation-about-breonna-taylor/
this is comprehensive… and provides the details and/or sources to all the questions and disputes above.
She is listed in the warrant, which means she is a person of interest. How that would unfold, would be found after an orderly entry and detainment of the parties at the location.
Unfortunately, that did not happen.
Erica, the dealer did not need to be present. The warrant specifically states that the location and individuals in the location are of interest, as they may be aiding the dealer.
Walkers discharging his firearm was not a warning. It was directed at the individuals on the other side of the door. When you shoot a firearm at any individual, it is only common sense that they will likely return fire.
No. They EX boyfriend was. And he was in custody already. Not current boyfriend. Packages? Don’t know. Packages come to door. For ex? I suppose you could refuse if home. But it could be medicine or present for grandma etc.
Here is a link for the investigation
https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/63943132/breonna-taylor-summary-redacted1
If this doesn’t work try this link and look for the Breonna Taylor link
https://www.tatumreportexclusive.com/shocking-report-leaked-in-breonna-taylor-death-investigation-shows-how-involved-she-really-was/
It’s in no way victim shaming. However we make choices in our lives. She made some wrong decisions in her life. Should it have cost her her life. No… However you can’t claim to be a victim of circumstances you yourself created. She knowing did those things and giving her the benefit of the doubt maybe she didn’t realize or didn’t want to see how deeply involved she was. We all do stupid things for men we claim to love.
No she wasn’t receiving any packages of drugs even the post master said she was not but you’re going to go on some bullshit that a police officer says to save his ass that’s what’s wrong with America today. They announce their selves one time only one person heard it and if they were dead asleep (Sadly no pun intended) they didn’t hear it. I they didn’t announce it more than that as they were busting down the door. And that has been proven by interviews with other neighbors.
Thank you! A LOT. Of misinfo is out there. And by the way Walker, Taylor’s actual boyfriend would be and should be covered by the “castle domain” or stand your ground law in KT. he shot at what he says he thought were intruders. He is covered. They were at THE WRONG PLACE. And the warrant was issued based on a lie. This is an utter travesty. Arrest and charge them.
She was on the warrant, you didn’t know that right?
Thank you for making an insightful comment. Unlike most of the others.
Really? Her boyfriend called 911 – not a drug dealer move. The cops who were shot? The chickens are coming home to roost.
There are MAGA operatives disrupting the protests, though I do not agree with peaceful anything, due to racists wanting to exterminate black people. They did not knock, they were full of it, the cops do not care about black people, the white supremist has infiltrated the police department and military.
Now, we are supposed to care about those that want to destroy us? I think not – too many personal experiences to name regarding black, hardworking men and women being harrassed by the police.
Why do they put those who are afraid and hold no regard in our neighborhoods to police? They do not live among the people they are to assist.
Please do not start the black on black crime because the majority of whites are killed by whites. Besides, my taxes are not paid for criminals to police my community.
Look at the rallies? Who is packing these rallies? The “decent people”? Breonna was a decent person. It is not my role to educate any
I love Lebron James. Please get them out of jail, the same way money is raised for the racist cops who continually kill our children.
I have already donated.
Everyone is not out to get you. Some people may be, but I am not. Others are not. We are all SO VERY FUCKING WILLING TO HELP.
IOW; I have heard a lot of statement of fact without a clue. A Federal Grand Jury has about the only chance of getting to the truth. The most vehement are the ones jabbering as fact, the least informed…the truth will out
“Want to exterminate black people” yet the black boyfriend who shot a cop is completely fine. They had every ‘right’ to “exterminate” this man if they wanted to.
If they hadn’t shot so widely and blindly particularly the officer who shot through a sliding glass door, they might have been successful.
Tamara, it is all media created division.
First of all, Beets, there is so much wrong with your statement but I don’t have the energy. But I will say that Lebron, as well as a handful of other celebrities, committed to paying the bail for The Minneapolis protestors who were arrested, at the time of the George Floyd stuff. This was end of May ma’am. You saying “now lebron says he will post bail for any people that got arrested…” is false. He is not posting bail for the cops who were shot by “rioters,” in LOUISVILLE! Get your timeline and facts straight and stop trying to blame an athlete for something he isn’t doing. Also, one person shot those cops, not a group of rioters. But I guess that’s what happens with dumb folk don’t research and just go off hearsay.
I’m leaving this in the wrong place I know so pardon me for that .
I’m a long time lurker maybe left a few comments over the years as well and I have to say I’m upset not only at your post but at some of the commenters thst so amused me in the past but have shown me who they really are. You do so much research for your posts which is why I’ve returned again and again but this seems like you just heard a rumor and posted about it with no thought. The BREONNA TAYLOR case has been in the media for months the truth has been out there for months and not one of you cared enough to follow along SAY HER NAME is about breonna. RESEARCH HER CASE BEFORE SPEWING GARBAGE. OH. AND BEN CRUMP IS NOT GARBAGE HE SAID HER NAME AND WENT TO WORK PERHAPS you should do the same. Yhis is why BLM exist because racism exist and you have all proven that you are in fact racist. That’s all I won’t curse or anything before I leave, just know I’m hurt and angry that I laughed with racist and I have to live with that but you have to live with yourselves.
Thank you. Than you. Thank you. It needed to be said.
Nope. The officers knocked but the did NOT announce. There were 12 ear witnesses who said all they heard was the knocking and zero announcing. That’s why he fired a warning shot from his legally registered weapon and stood his ground in his own home.
The police immediately knew they fucked up and what did they do? Coverup like always. From the police report that said she had zero injuries – to them “finding” one neighbor who said he heard the cops announce – but there were 12 others who said they didn’t say a word. Stop believing the bullshit. The fucking DA is married to Turtle’s niece. So Fuck the popo and lets get the to the conspiracy to hide evidence and cover up a murder.
There is a lot to unpack . I work in law enforcement so I will try . Firstly police were looking for an ex boyfriend not her current boyfriend. She hadn’t dated the guy in over a year . Secondly the warrant was inaccurately authorized . To authorize that type of warrant the ex and or suspected criminal activity should have occurred at that address within the past thirty days . Neither of those things occurred. Thirdly it was authorized asa no knock but police say they didn’t execute it as a inch . That claim is dubious as only one witness out of 12 says they heard police knock . And with the amount of officers involved it would have been a noisy affair had they announced themselves , conveniently no body cam footage is available to verify this claim . Furthermore the time of night the warrant was executed further suggests it was executes as a no knock as the entire premise is to catch people off guard before they have time to dispose of evidence . As an aside no drugs or evidence were discovered in her home and the ex boyfriend stated she was never involved in any illegal activity even when he was offered a plea deal to say otherwise . The current boyfriend is law abiding and had a legal weapon in his possession. Kentucky is a stand your ground state and he heard what he said were intruders . He yelled out asking who it was and got no answer. The next thing he heard was his door being broken down and people enter and he fired one shot . A shitload of police gunfire ensued from inside and outside the residence killing Breonna and endangering neighbors . She was shit six times but the fatal gullet cane from the one officer who was shot as which is why the grand jury didn’t indict him . People are outraged because two law abiding citizens were sleeping in their own home and one of them was killed . She had no criminal record and even if she did execution would not be the sentence . Dating and having enough sense to break up with a questionable boyfriend is not illegal and for black people this is proof that even being asleep in your own home you aren’t safe . The city knows it committed a series of blunders form the warrant authorization and lack of address verification, the violation of body cam policy, the excessive use of force and community endangerment which is why they settled for 12 million dollars. They didn’t pay that kind of money out because they were blameless. But it does nothing to bring back the life of a young EMT with a long life ahead of her
Thanks for sharing. I get the outrage. I am just trying to sort through the details. It’s just such a hard thing to understand. Maybe it is my Covid brain.
They also tried to get the former boyfriend to implicate her, for a plea deal, which the family has shared the documents and he refused.
TT here is a link to legal documents
https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/63943132/breonna-taylor-summary-redacted1
I love when you follow legal cases and break them down!
This is just one I can’t break down.
I totally understand that but I love how your mind works!
PixnTrix, Well, that explains a lot. You get your news from Brandon Tatum, a right-wing conspiracy commentator.
I research and find the facts I don’t rely on MSM they lie lie lie! People are out there rioting not even knowing the damn truth! I look at court documents and records and reliable sources.
There is nothing about that report that looks official. This is not a copy of a police report.
try this one: https://htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com/files/search-warrant-2-1589584493.pdf
States and cities almost ALWAYS settle cases. It isn’t an indication or admission of any wrongdoing. It’s an opportunity cost calculation.
States and cities do not settle for that amount of money. The Central Park Five are just receiving their money.
This is incorrect. She has only broken up with her ex 2 weeks ago. His bank account listed her address and his mail came to her apartment. Breonna Taylor rented the car the dead body was found in. I am from Louisville and have read the leaked information.
Like they can’t “doctor” evidence lol. That’s why it was leaked. If it was credible, they could have just put it out there during one of the press conferences.
Mail can continue to come to an address for a year after one moves, and often longer once the change of address document lapses. Anyone who’s moved knows this is true.
Plus, I’ve been divorced for 20 yrs and my ex-husband’s brother used me as a credit reference without my knowledge. I only found out when the company was trying to collect on the debt. You’re believing what you want to believe. Just admit that and let the facts continue to fly right on past you.
Thank you Shawana for explaining what really happened in this case. It amazes me how some people still want to blame Breonna Taylor for her own death. At the end of the day when The Kentucky AG (who by the way is on tRump’s short list for the Supreme Court, and who worked for Mitch McConnell, and rumored to be recently married to his relative), stood before America and proved beyond a show of doubt that Black Lives Don’t Matter. The outrage over this murder is real and someday somehow justice will prevail.
Also, let’s process the coverup by the police that night. Seemingly, no one’s body cam worked. They initially told her mother the boyfriend killed her. Also, the ex-boyfriend reported that he was offered a lesser sentence to say he really was living there with her. The cover-up was enough for obstruction of justice charges along with perjury charges for ALL involved.
I am also in law enforcement. This is a fair and measured assessment. The warrant was stale.
Thank you. As a Kentuckian who has been following this case for a while, you were the first commenter to get the facts right reading through this thread. Truly, thank you.
So many things have bothered me about this case from the beginning. If someone in plain clothes busted in my house after midnight, id likely react the exact same way as her boyfriend did. I mean, why else have the 2A if you can’t defend your home and your loved ones from intruders. Secondly, I could care less if she was on her front porch under a billboard that read “buy drugs here.” The cops are there to serve and protect, not serve as judge, jury and executioner. Part of being American is that we are afforded due process of law and presumption of innocence until found guilty, and Breonna got none of that, and it cost her her life. It’s a terribly sad case, and my heart breaks for her family, Louisville and our state. It was all completely avoidable, and yet, here we are.
Thank you for your accurate assessment and willingness to share the knowledge.
Everything Shawana posted is the truth. Thank-you for posting all of this so I don’t have to.
I will only add a link to the very sad 9-1-1 call that Breonna’s boyfriend Kenneth Walker made after the police murdered her. It is heartbreaking, but what you hear is anguish and a cry for help (medical and police) because he doesn’t know who just broke into their apartment and shot up the place. Keep in mind that these “officers” were also in plain clothes.
Yes I also posted about stand your ground in Kentucky if they used a no knock warrant that was obtained illegally and they did not announce themselves to which is 12 witnesses say they did not and he believes that there were intruders and he had to legally obtain weapon in his home he has legal justification and protection to protect himself and his property
Oh my God T.T , I am scared ? for your life seriously ?. I have the same thoughts over this issue but even with alcohol and drugs, I can’t get this bold to voice my thoughts. Praying ? for you.
Not sure what you mean. I am only asking for an explanation of what happened to Breonna.
And I have gotten ten million explanations. All different so I guess none of us will ever know.
I think the confusion is because people think her current boyfriend was the drug dealer. He’s not. He has no criminal record. It’s the ex-boyfriend that has the criminal record. He is the one that was already arrested and in jail 10 miles away. The other problem is that the police asked the post office if there have been any suspicious packages delivered and the answer was no. Then the neighbors corroborated that the police never announced their presence so no one would have known that were officers and would have shot at them for breaking in.
At this point, there has been so many instances of police acting inappropriately and never punished that local citizens do not trust or believe them. In cases where officers have reported peers that are acting inappropriately, they are usually fired for reporting the offense while the offending officer gets training.
As far as the looting, people that own nothing and have nothing to lose will not care about the property of people they perceive to have something, and they will not care about public, city owned property. They believe that this country is built on a lie.
Right! Kenneth Walker has no prior criminal record. I think everyone thinks she was currently dating a drug dealer because the warrant was for Jamarcus Glover (Taylor’s ex) and Adrian Walker (who unfortunately shares a very common last name with Taylor’s BF, Kenneth.)
I find myself so frustrated when you make posts about things that are race-related. The matter-of-fact tone that I did entertaining when talking about reality tv isn’t so much when it comes to real life shit. I believe you really want to understand what happened and I think we all should make every effort to it this post started with misinformation as you got around to asking your questions. If I’d known nothing about the case and were to stop and your post without reading replies, I’d leave believing what’s been said despite it it being true and figuring folks are making a big deal where they shouldn’t. That’s frustrating as hell.
Agreed! Many people just read the headlines and that’s dangerous
First off drug dealer ex-boyfriend was from 2013! The cops already had him in custody! Your statements are disgusting. They obtained an unlawful no-knock warrant, didn’t announce themselves and shot her 8 times and shot up her apartment and her neighbors apartments.
Please check out this link, which is the arrest report of the ex-BF. He was arrested at 0243, that is 2:43 am. The search warrant was served at Taylor’s residence sometime between midnight and 1 pm.
https://htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com/files/glover-arrest-slip-1589585535.pdf
Are you fucking serious , you fat Bitch, I see you racist like the rest of your people, used to read site alot , never no more you whore
Oh look first time commenter goes straight to WLS. And God I wish I was young enough to be a whore. lol
Please stop with the horrid name calling.Please leave if you can’t respect the host and boss of the chat leave T alone .
BreonnaTaylor was messing around with both of the guys at the same time and threatening each other and they are both drug dealers and she was involved here and there that comes from people that knew her
I have been lurking here for years. For Bravo insights on yr part plus the board. And recipes. Kick me off here but for real this situation does not need to be on your site. Peace out. And knock it off. Totally irresponsible.
Why exactly does this not to be on MY SITE? I talk about whatever is happening. I pay a shit ton of money for this site. And I talk about whatever is going on. So unless you would like to start paying the bills around here. You need to GDIAF.
https://www.wkyt.com/2020/08/26/warrants-issued-for-arrest-of-breonna-taylors-ex-boyfriend-amid-leaked-new-documents/
She was back and forth between two men. The drug dealer ex was the target, not the boyfriend that fired a shot in self defense. The target was at a different property. They lied to obtain the no knock. They failed to do proper surveillance and thought she was alone. They were looking for cash the ex said she was holding for him but they didn’t find any. The entire raid was botched, and the boyfriend present was not a criminal and they didn’t know he was there(because they screwed up surveillance).
Kenneth Walker was Breonna Taylor’s Boyfriend. He is not a drug dealer & has no criminal record. Charges were even dropped against him for shooting the Officer. Her EX Boyfriend has a criminal history. Faulty info said he was getting drug packages sent to her home. This information & much more regarding this case is readily available & it’s said that people of color have to prove they aren’t at fault, even in death.
https://www.wkyt.com/2020/08/26/warrants-issued-for-arrest-of-breonna-taylors-ex-boyfriend-amid-leaked-new-documents/
Watch the New York Times documentary on Breonna Taylor. It will answer all your questions and then some!
We’re all in trouble if people are using the New York Times & especially a documentary by them as factual information!!!
Yes because who believes in the New York Times and The Washington Post now that we have FOX NEWS?
The following is a reply to someone else’s comment. But when I say “they” I am specifically referring to YOU! I’m outta here so fast after pressing POST. Your ignorance is too much to be tolerated by my black life that matters!
Thank you for trying to enlighten some of these folks. They seem happy in their ignorance and distorted views of the facts. I can not believe that I’ve been sharing this platform with so many racist. I can’t believe that they are actually blaming the victim for being killed because of her choices in men. (If we were all killed because of our choices in men there would be a significant decrease in the human population WORLDWIDE!)
If an black infant had been mistakenly shot because of all of those rounds of bullets I guess they would find a way to blame the infant too. Why? Because it’s Black!
SHAME Shame shame!!!
It’s like this: she was fired as an emt in 2017 and was mixed up with drug dealers. Her car and home were on the warrant. Boyfriend shot at front door while cops were knocking, They returned fire upon entering apartment. NOT a race thing. A criminal thing. However, this tinderbox of a country looks for any reason to explode… and so here we are. Soros pays protestors to protest. They don’t get paid if they don’t protest.
I could be wrong but I do not believe they knocked,
Here is what I understand a drug dealer was served a no knock warrant,,, he shot cops first and she died,
The drug dealer was not her boyfriend. He was another man she knew in her past. They had him under surveillance and knew HE DID NOT LIVE THERE. No drugs or money were found in the apartment. Of the 12 other people interviewed in the building, only 1 heard them yell police and he was already awake.
The police fudged their report, indicating Breanna was not injured. No one tended to her medically. In fact, they are supposed to have an ambulance on hand during a raid, but sent it away earlier. It was actually her boyfriend who called 911 and tended to Breanna. They showed no respect for human life.
Oh police fudged the report? That a fact is it? And a Grand Jury voted not to indict the officers. A jury of her piers might I remind you. And yes TT you are correct. Your not missing anything. The officers were fired at first. She jumped in the way of fire. The evidence will be released. I sure hope Ms. Taylor’s family donates most of their 12 million settlement to BLM.
A Grand Jury is not a jury of her peers but a specialy selected, secretive body beholden only to the prosecutors office who themselves need law enforcement on their side to win cases.
She jumped in the way of fire?
So YOU were there, Charlie? You personally observed who fired first, did you?
Or did you get that from one of those “piers”?
(And it is a fact that cops lie. They lie all the time. I’ve experienced that first hand).
A grand jury is selected the same way as a jury of trial. Both sides of the law are on it. I have been through the grand jury selection process. And no I was not there but were you…? So you know what happened do you? So it’s ok to riot and steal and destroy cities and other peoples property ? How many officers get shot and killed every year and their families and supporters don’t riot. There is a difference between peaceful protesting and rioting,
Charlie,
Unlike you, I know the difference between a grand jury and a petit jury, including the very different functions they serve.
No, there are not “both sides of the law” on a grand jury, whatever that nonsense even means.
The rest of your comment is just a strawman argument, and a stupid one at that.
Charlie, the Grand Jury voted not to indict the two police officers because of the way Kentucky law is written, police officers are legally allowed to return fire when fired. The law is written to protect police officers, even if they are at fault. The one police office that was charged was standing outside the building and was not under fire. The Grand Jury had no choice.
The grand juries mean nothing. They are with the prosecutors for days, going through various cases and build a rapport.
Remember O.J. – well he got off because, Cochran, being the intelligent lawyer, knew there was no way a jury composed of majority black women would send a black man to jail.
A jury of majority white folks in Kentucky would not send a bunch of white cops to jail.
Now, if black cops did this to a white girl, they would get 20 to life.
Besides, why are you people so worried about BLM? The minute we stand up for ourselves, you become engrossed while the FBI warned for years that police are cozy with the far right. White supremacist violence is the real threat to America.
Not the Taliban, not those poor Latin Americans they are killing and sterilizing.
It’s you Hitler fans.
Sweetie. PUHLEASE. Recognize that we see what is happening and we all have hearts in our chest regardless of our complexion. Not everyone is like Trump. I am so very sorry that this president was elected. It is not that hard to just love each other. The bad shit that is happening makes everything worse. We all really want to just love one another.
And YES, they did lie on the report and also in the process to obtain the warrant. FBI is still investigating and Daniel Cameron the KY AG didn’t provide all the evidence to the grand jury. It’s unknown whether he even brought charges. He’s on the record aligned with the police and is part of the problem.
Right. Just ask Emmitt Till about a jury of peers.
Please find the unedited press conference and watch it in its entirety, including Q&A. You really are far off base on several points.
So the guy who just shot at police officers was left uncuffed so he could render medical assistance to his GF? Gee, I hadn’t read that.
It was not served as a no knock warrant. That was one of the many rumors that incited outrage.
That said, if you’re a drug dealer with loaded guns startled by someone pounding on the door then forcing their way in, you’re probably going to be paranoid and react before thinking about the words the person at the door said. So, I don’t think it would have changed things if police didn’t knocked and announce. But, they did.
Her death is tragic regardless of her involvement with criminals, but standing next to an armed wanted criminal while he’s shooting at police put her at risk. A lot of tumors and misinformation circulated that made people very angry. There was a rumor that she was shot while in bed. She wasn’t.
Tensions are so high right now and people are choosing their position immediately without having the full story. And no one wants to admit they were wrong or wrongly informed. On either side. In excessive force cases, there is always rioting regardless of the charges filed. It only creates a bigger divide and more tension.
Well said Bucky.
Well said Bucky.
I wish you would take the time to read. The police have stated that the boyfriend in the apartment was not the drug dealer they were looking for and that she was in bed when she was shot. That has been reported numerous times. But believe what you wish. Ignorance is clearly abundant these days.
Not well said at all Bucky. I agree there is alot of misinformation being circulated, and your post is proof of that. She was not standing next to an armed criminal. The EX boyfriend was already in police custody. She died because she made the mistake of thinking she could sleep in her bed at night without being shot by the police.
I’m so mad a these people right now I can’t see straight. Breonna was murdered, period!!!
Most of you should just stick to trash TV.
The boyfriend in the apartment was not a criminal. He was a law abiding citizen with a legally owned gun who defended his home when someone broke in. That is why the charges were dropped against him for shooting the police officer. Now ask yourself if the police had really identified themselves as police, why were the charges dropped against the guy who shot at them. And I guess if you dated a criminal at one point, you deserve to have your door knocked down in the middle of the night especially when they already have arrested the guy they were looking for.
Exactly
Kenneth Walker is a law-abiding citizen with all the legal paperwork to conceal carry and to defend his home in the State of Kentucky. He was not the drug dealer. There is no evidence that Breonna ever accepted or was part of her FORMER boyfriend’s drug dealing. Believe me…if there was evidence we would all know it. It wouldn’t be rumors spread by racists and cop apologists. It would be everywhere. And the fact that prosecutors tried to get Breonna’s ex-boyfriend to do a sleazy back-room deal whereupon he would say Breonna did accept packages for him and she was part of his dealing in exchange for a lighter sentence for him and the ex refused? Says a lot more about the drug dealing ex’s good character than the ethics of the prosecutor’s office! I cannot imagine how that ex is suffering for not going along with that plan because he is at the mercy of the very corrupt people responsible for Breonna’s death and who desperately wanted him to lie to help with their cover-up. The cover-up has worked. The only officer charged with anything will get off. He will be hired in LE down the road. No one within the system has one bit of remorse. Louisville Police will continue on their merry way and Black people will continue to live in fear 24/7/365.
I live in Louisville. Her current boyfriend (the one who shot at police upon entering) has no criminal record and was not being investigated or on any of the warrants. This is not disputed even by AG Cameron.
(Y’all, my comment nested in the wrong place, no offense meant. I was trying to reply to Bucky).
But her current boyfriend wasn’t the drug dealer.
I get that part. And I get she was needlessly murdered. I guess that is all I need to know.
He wasn’t the drug dealing boyfriend. You’re spreading lies and you need to stop.
You said “A lot of tumors and misinformation circulated”
Yeah, like stating that she was “standing next to an armed wanted criminal while he’s shooting at police put her at risk.”
Let me shout it in case you are hard of hearing.
HE WAS NOT A WANTED CRIMINAL. HE WAS NOT THE DRUG DEALER THEY WERE LOOKING FOR.
His 911 call was subpoena’d. Guess what? It corroborates his story that armed people busted into his home and he defended himself.
The warrant was stale. People in Law Enforcement have stated this HERE.
The officers are charged with endangering the NEIGHBORS with their gun fire, but not for her death.
Her boyfriend, Walker is not a criminal. He possessed a legal firearm. The cops were investigating her ex, JaMarcus Glover.
Wrong, Bucky.
Read a little deeper into the details.
You most definitely have a right to your opinion, but please read the facts first! ?
The person they were serving the warrant on was already in police custody.
But there was also a search warrant on the location, because it was used for receiving packages that were part of the criminal conspiracy.
The warrant in question was for the dwelling.
you guys are making this even more confusing.
Tamara, we are trying to explain that there is a difference between arrest warrants (for people) versus search warrants (for places and things, for seizing evidence). The residence and vehicle were alleged to have been instruments in the drug trade. I guess the police had evidence that packages had been delivered to that residence. I don’t know how many or how recently before the judge signed the warrant. I also don’t know why her vehicle was subject to the warrant.
But the police gather evidence to support the probable cause that evidence has been in those locations within the past XX number of days. And the judge reviews their application and can ask questions. These warrants have a judge’s signature on them. Taylor didn’t need to be named on the warrant.
I’m not sure either. 1 neighbor says cops did knock and identify themselves. No other neighbors corroborate this from all I have read.
One thing I read called it a No Knock warrant, but the other stuff I read says it was not a “No Knock.”
Very confusing!
My understanding is that they had a no knock warrant, but it was not served as a no knock. Per body cam evidence, they knocked and announced. This is pretty much the reason no knock exists. If they’d not given extra time to grab a weapon and start firing, maybe a life could have been saved. I know most people think the opposite though.
Bucky, There is NO body cam evidence…that is one of the issues…AND Walker her boyfriend had NO CRIMINAL history.So she wasnt standing by a “wanted drugdealer” He, did however fire the first shot and police reacted. You have stated mis-information while telling others not to read facebook. The New York Times and CNN and CBS all have similar accounts.
The AG spelled everything out clearly, find the UNEDITED version of the press conference. It answers many questions very succinctly and is worth listening to.
That comment was for MelG…
Cameron was full of shit at the press conference. His characterization of the raid was completely misleading, he intentionally mislead the public. In his story he blames Kenneth Walker, a law abiding man who is innocent, for the death of Breonna Taylor. Taylor’s attorney is hopping mad and demanding the evidence presented to the Grand Jury be released to the public. If Cameron feels confident about his statement, he should release all of the evidence.
According to a report on CNN this afternoon, the Governor of Kentucky is asking for details of the grand jury testimony to be released to the general public. It may be released in a redacted format, which would not tell us as much as we would like. However, the Governor is obviously not satisfied with the press conference and its lack of important details.
Shar Woods, This is good news, thank you for sharing.
Okay someone sent me this link. https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html I am not trying to cause controversy, I am just trying to figure out what happened, This appears to be an unbiased report. I am just trying to understand what happened and why this particular situation is more egregious than the many other times this happens.
It became high profile, and highly inflamed, because it happened so close to George Floyd’s death. Everyone has a hair trigger reaction now.
It became high profile because an innocent woman was killed by the police in her own home.
This is a good article which does explain a lot. One main issue some people are finding hard to understand. The man who shot at police (current boyfriend) is not the same person who she was with previously and the person associated with the drugs. The ex-boyfriend has specifically said multiple times, she was not involved in his drug stuff.
Also, three officers that night were fired for putting lives in danger. Also, one shot 10 rounds into the home through blinds. He did not have the direct line of sight as required.
NYT unbiased? That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard in ages! Thanks for the laugh.
Please do not listen to Bucky or Beets. The things that they are saying are not true. This is extremely disheartening to read. I want to talk about terrible Captain Sandy and awful Malia!
MelG, An important note regarding that one neighbor, he initially told the police he didn’t hear the police announce themselves, then after his second police interview, he changed his story.
I’m not sure either. 1 neighbor says cops did knock and identify themselves. No other neighbors corroborate this from all I have read.
One thing I read called it a No Knock warrant, but the other stuff I read says it was not a “No Knock.”
Very confusing!!!!
They had approval to do a no knock warrant but they didn’t do it, but “knocking “ , and asking to come in . It involves banging on the door and hollering “police ! Warrant !” Then busting in . The element of surprise is the important part. Unfortunately her friend had a gun ON him and shot at the police who identified them selves ! If they were at the wrong house (and they were not), and Breonna and her friend just sat there and cooperated this would not have happened. He thought drug dealers were trying to kill him . What the what ? So now it’s wrong if you shoot at the police they can’t shoot back . Not how that goes. Her associations got her killed , it is very sad. Unfortunately more police will die due to misinformation.
NOPE. If he had shot at police he would have been srrested. Stop ✋lying ✋!
The KY AG said they did knock and announce they were police. A neighbor in the complex testified to this. I live in Louisville and have closely followed this case.
They knocked really loud and hard and said who they were neighbors heard them
ONE neighbor said that they knocked. Many other neighbors said they did not knock. Do you really think her boyfriend would not have been arrested and charged if he shot at police who announced themselves as such? Tamara, letting these people spread lies on your site is wrong. These are not opinions, they are lies. Facts matter..
I could use a side gig…could you tell me where to sign up for one of these paid protesting jobs?
Since you seem to be so knowledgable, surely you have the address or phone number for the Soros protesting HR department.
TIA
Soros paid protesters? Gtfo with that nonsense. That is totally made up bs and unworthy of any thinking person’s post.
I know! I keep hearing about Soros hiring protestors and I also would like that HR department number :)!
Ask your far right instigators or your basket of deplorables.
Are you claiming she was fired from her EMT position at Jewish Hospital?
But from what I have read, the warrant wasn’t actually for her house. The police went to the wrong address and were just “lucky” enough that there was a bad guy there too….I could be very wrong but have read this multiple times.
Absolutely wrong. Her home and car were on the warrant, even MSNBC reported that. Maybe consider your news sources.
Like I said, I could be very wrong. I used TT’s link and have now read more. What scares me honestly is if someone barged into my house even if they yelled police first I’d grab a weapon. Sorry but natural fight or flight response.
Totally agree! If you wake me up in the middle of the night banging in my door, you are getting shot.
So why was it wrong for her bf to defend himself? Neither he nor Breonna were criminals. He had a legally obtained and registered firearm in a Stand Your Ground state. There was zero evidence of drugs or any other illegal activity at the residence. Why are only white people allowed to defend themselves and their property?
It was for her house.
There’s no doubt these are mostly paid professionals. Who pays them? I don’t know but there are a lot of people with very deep pockets who benefit from these riots continuing. It’s sad for the legit peaceful protesters, they don’t stand a chance.
Mostly paid professionals? Where is the link to this conspiracy theory rhetoric? Convenient theories for you .com ?
Kool-Aid much, Gigi?
Trump pays nothing for his piece of shit protesters. The true America is being revealed, and their hearts are black.
My white associates are constantly texting me to see if I am alright. I hope all the racists and their families are one day treated like black people in America.
Please don’t give in to the hate. Please don’t think people of one complection or another all feel one way.
i’d love an explanation,,, I feel like i am not getting it,
It was her ex-boyfriend that was the drug dealer, not the one she was with at the time of her death. The no-knock warrant was linked to the ex-boyfriend, who they already had in custody from another raid earlier in the evening at the time that they executed the warrant on her house.
I’m in Canada but this is what I’ve observed from our news coverage of the events: She broke up with the dealer boyfriend. She began another relationship. *Old* police surveillance had observed the first boyfriend collect a package from her address so the police thought she was involved in the drug-dealing. It was more likely that she’d told her ex some mail had been delivered to her place and he should come and get it. So her address was included on the list of places for the no-knock warrant. The police surveillance failed to notice he hadn’t been dating Breonna for months. At the time of the raid, the dealer ex-boyfriend was in police custody, but the police doing the raid didn’t know that. Kentucky is an open carry state so when the police did raid the apt in the middle of the night, her current boyfriend fired in self-defense thinking it might be her dealer ex trying to get in when it was the police (he claims the police did not identify themselves). Once she was shot, no medical attention was provided and she died due to her injuries. The police then tried to get the drug dealer ex-boyfriend, who was already in custody, to say she WAS involved in the drug dealing to lighten his charges, he did not agree to this, as she was never involved in his dealing.
Thanks for explaining and not yelling at me like people will probably do. I really just didn’t get the whole thing. And I thought her CURRENt boyfriend was who police were there fore.
You may recall my son being in law enforcement. He is on a special unit, and they do no knock warrants. Before executing warrants, they consider all aspects…is person gang affiliated, known to have guns, or are there children or other relatives in home, etc.
Her b/f was a criminal. No judge signs off on a warrant of the kind without weeks, or even months, of gathering intel.
With that being said, knock or no knock, officers are LOUDLY announcing that they are police. The b/f admitted opening fire first, striking one officer. All bets are off then. The shooting becomes justified.
No, her BF was NOT a criminal.
The target was a long-ago ex who did not live there, nor had he ever lived there.
The “intel” gathered in this case was flimsy hearsay.
While the warrant was originally approved as a “no-knock”, it was CHANGED prior to the raid to “Knock and Announce”.
Ask your son what that means.
Cops shot 10 rounds from outside THROUGH BLINDS into the apartment. That is NEVER justified.
Ericzku,
Do you have a copy of that “flimsy” intel we can read?
Oh, it was only one officer that fired into Apt 3. He was indicted. Breonna lived in Apt 4.
The ex received packages at Breonna’s address, so she was involved and tied together.
You really want this to fit your narrative but it just doesn’t.
Oh OK.
It was just one officer who fired through blinds indiscriminately, sending rounds into 2 apartments.
So that makes it alright then?
You are truly vile.
Ericzku, it’s not okay. That’s why that guy was charged. He will be put on trial.
Thank you for trying to enlighten some of these folks. They seem happy in their ignorance and distorted views of the facts. I can not believe that I’ve been sharing this platform with so many racist. I can’t believe that they are actually blaming the victim for being killed because of her choices in men. (If we were all killed because of our choices in men there would be a significant decrease in the human population WORLDWIDE!).
If an black infant had been mistakenly shot because of all of those rounds of bullets I guess they would find a way to blame the infant too. Why? Because it’s Black!
The police always lie to cover their asses. The shooting was not justified. I hope if this happens to someone in your family, you will hold this same point of view.
Just because your son says he was a criminal, well, that is all. They went to the wrong address – they were callous. Any black person would do – officers loudly announcing are not necessarily a reason to fall back. See what happened? Yeah, f”** you and your son.
I can feel your anger. I am sending you love in return. SOMEHOW SOMEWAY we will get through this.
That is not the correct story. The New York Times did a story with the details.
Yes! This. The NY Times story was really good. Also, anyone interested in this story and criminal justice reform should follow Radley Balko on twitter.
If you even listen to podcasts, The Daily had an episode just a couple weeks ago that broke the story down. There were two men she was dating on and off simultaneously. One was the drug dealer but she wasn’t directly involved in his shadiness and he wasn’t with her the night she was killed.
The other man (who was interviewed on the podcast and gave his account night from his point of view) wasn’t involved in any of the drug business at all.
According to him they fell asleep at her apartment after a night of making cookies and watching Netflix the night she was shot and killed by the cops. He sounded completely genuine, innocent and traumatized by the whole event in his telling of it.
Only one neighbor out of many interviewed said they heard the police Identify themselves before they entered Breona’s apartment and they heard them so so only once, which differs greatly from the police who say they identified themselves many times before entering.
It’s a layered complicated story (as most stories involving humans are) but in my opinion, the police fucked things up big time (again.)
Breonna may not have been “totally innocent” in many people’s minds because she was involved with a “bad guy” but from my own personal experience as someone who was once engaged to and living with a person who was involved with drugs and some shady people himself, I know I definitely don’t feel it would have been my fault or that I would have deserved it if cops came to my house looking for him, when he wasn’t even there, in the middle of the night! It may be easy and tempting for people to judge and condemn, but it’s not a crime to love a criminal.
Breonna and the other man were confused and terrified after being woken up to the noises of what sounded like to them, people breaking into the home.
Even after Breonna was shot, The boyfriend who was with her that night actually CALLED THE POLICE for help after Brenna was shot, bc he had no idea the police were there and in fact were the ones who’d just shot his girlfriend. The police absolutely made a bunch of mistakes in this case and did not perform their jobs with the caution and certainty they need to have to protect and serve.
Joolz has the best explanation from everything that I have read through since it happened. I understand how law enforcement COULD think that everyone was all entwined, but the boyfriend with her the night of the shooting (NOT INVOLVED WITH MULTIPLE MEN) has no record.
It SEEMS outdated, erroneous intel and a poor decision to raid at night started the clusterfuck.
It seems she changed her life around and a tragic mistake was made. EVEN IF the cops announced, ALMOST ANYONE awakened from sleep is going to experience some degree of confusion. Why the cops couldn’t wait to arrest them as they were leaving the apartment is a big fat mystery. There were no children inside in imminent danger. A full apartment house filled with (mostly) sleeping people put many lives in danger.
Being a cop is a job with enough danger, I never will understand just why it was decided to raid a home of anyone at night. It wasn’t like it was a crack house filled with felons 24/7.
I just read an interesting article after I googled “breonna Taylor’s ex boyfriend” That article talks about a recent rearrest of her ex and also of recorded jail phone conversations between her ex and her. I believe that article gives more insight to why police had a warrent for Ms. Taylor’s address. It doesnt excuse the excessive use of force and like you said the total CF of the time the warrant was served but it gives more info on the situation.
Nanette, is there a reason you can’t listen to the AGs press conference that explains EVERYTHING CLEARLY and with evidence?
The AG is a lyong, weasel who sucks Trump and McConnell dick on the regular. Who gives a rat’s ass what he barfed out at that press conference?
Thank you. Peace…..
Correct! ☑️
That is so completely wrong. Please watch the unedited AGs news conference…
That comment was to joolz-of-the-north to watch the news conf
From what I read today, they did have a “no knock” warrant, but knocked on the door and announced they were the Police. The boyfriend, along with her were in the hall and the boyfriend shot at the first officer through the door. The others came in shooting. She apparently was in front of him. The only officer who was charged was the one whose bullets went into another apartment. I wonder if they had on body cameras, and when that will be released.
They did not have cameras on, which is part of the problem.
She was not in the hall. That was a lie set up to excuse her murder by right wing police lovers.
The coroner’s report said nothing about her standing when she was shot.
Even CNBC reported she was in the hall. The boyfriend and the cops said they had both gotten partially dressed and gone towards the door.
Karen, you are making up all sorts of things. I don’t know what you are using as a source of information. Facebook? You’re not getting facts from whatever that source is.
Bullshit! They were sleeping! The boyfriend called 911 because he didn’t know they were cops. Why would he call 911?
I read that cops did use a battering ram to enter and that Breonna had actually severed ties w/the ex boyfriend/dealer who was in the warrant as the subject believed to have received packages at Breonna’s apartment in the past.
This Taken from CNN, On March 12, a Jefferson County Circuit Court judge approved five search warrants for locations linked to Taylor’s ex-boyfriend, a convicted felon suspected of supplying a local drug house. One of those locations belonged to Taylor. Hours later, in the early morning of March 13, officers arrived at Taylor’s apartment and began pounding on the door, an officer later told investigators.
Taylor was in bed with her boyfriend, Kenneth Walker III, who said he heard banging at the door just after midnight. Concerned there might be trouble, he grabbed his gun, which his attorney said he legally owns. They yelled to ask who was at the door but got no response, he said afterward.The officers used a battering ram to break in the door, and Walker then fired one shot at who he believed were intruders. Mattingly, who was first through the door, was shot in the leg. He and two other officers — Hankison and Cosgrove — then returned fire throughout the home.
Walker was unharmed, but Taylor was shot multiple times and died in the shooting.
“Somebody kicked in the door and shot my girlfriend,” Walker said in a 911 call.
Walker was taken away in handcuffs and a grand jury later indictment him on attempted murder of a police officer.
No drugs were found in the apartment. There is no police body camera footage of the incident. Kenneth Walker, who was licensed to carry a firearm and under the assumption someone was breaking into his apartment, fired first, injuring a law enforcement officer, whereupon police returned fire into the apartment with more than 20 rounds.Two months after the shooting, Taylor’s mother filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the officers involved, and prominent civil rights attorney Benjamin Crump joined the family’s legal team. To settle the suit, Louisville agreed in September to pay $12 million to Taylor’s family and enact several police reforms.The LMPD also said it would change how the department carries out search warrants in response to Taylor’s death. The Protesters are angry that no officers were charged with the death of Breonna, also claiming that they never said who they were, other witness heard them say POLICE. also family/protesters saying the shot inside house 20 rounds with no regard for human life, she was struck 5 times.. .
Thank you. I Just never understood what happened.
But the correct information has been out there all along, available for anyone interested to read at thier leisure. Right wingers on social media spread the lie that Breonna Taylor “stood by her man” which is the most rediculous falsehood I’ve seen yet!
I’ve never heard the stand by your man thing anywhere until TT just said it. I’d always heard she was sleeping in her bed. And, no, the correct information was NOT out there until the AGs press conference.
She was literally standing beside him in the hallway. You are spreading false information.
Think this through. If that were the case, why did none of the 20 rounds fired hit the boyfriend, but five hit Taylor? Even the poorest marksman would have hit the boyfriend at least once, which is how you know they weren’t side by side.
Imagine someone has shot at you, as the BF had judged fired at the officer. Your body is flooded with adrenaline.
The sheriff’s deputy who died when 3 officers responded to a mass shorting in Thousand Oaks, CA was actually killed by friendly fire. The male CHP office had shot wildly in the direction of the firefight between the mass shooter and the deputy. So I’m not surprised. Law enforcement officers get a lot of training in firearms, defensive tactics and entering, but the training can’t simulate what it’s like to do this under fire.
The fact that we are arguing among ourselves is the problem. This seems to be what happened. https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html I watch a lot of news and I didn’t know any of this. I thought she was sleeping with the drug dealer when this all went down. Actually the guy they wanted was in custody and for some reason they broke into her apartment at midnight. If you come to my house after dark you will get shot too, police or civilian. It’s kind of insane.
TT, all due respect, this NYT article is not what was said at the press conference. They have twisted it as well, I can’t believe our media is this awful. Watch the press conference and tell me what you think, please.
so tell me what you think. I am more confused by this post. AND ALSO I AM GLAD YOU ARE STILL HERE. Thanks for sticking with me. I love you and you are welcome here all day everyday. You are allowed to have your own political beliefs even if I don’t understand them. You are my friend and I don’t want to wait until after the election to talk to you again. I tried emailing you eleventy billion times. If I have to choose between you and everyone else, I CHOSE YOU. Not because we always agree but because you have a right to your opinion.
Beets! The AG’s statement was extremely misleading. Do NOT take his statement as a statement of fact.
We’re arguing because you’re more right wing followers got their skewed info from Fox.
The fact that all this passed you by, even as Breonna Taylor’s name was as apart of the summer’s protests, says that you decided not to look into the story, for whatever reason. Likely in part because you’ve decided we are rioting and not protesting. You have a bias.
And you don’t? Y’all need to lay off of Beets. This is AMERICA she can think whatever she wants. I may disagree with her but I really like her and she is welcome here. Hating anyone who disagrees with you makes you part of the problem.
Re: Beets
I have always liked her too. But she’s been a PITA lately. It’s not about her having a different opinion. It’s easy enough to scroll past that. However, it is, IMO, the manner in which she has been coming for other commenters. Most people here are more than aware that Beets is the resident contrarian. It’s your site and your rules, but IDGI. You’ve told people who were less hostile in their approach than Beets to go fuck themselves yet she is the becoming the one that starts the shit and stirs it unchecked. It’s not fun to have political arguments on every thread and it seems that is all she wants to do is poke at the rest of us. I’m bearly hanging on in the clusterfuck that is DJT’s America and I cannot understand how you can not only condone her agitating remarks much less encourage her. I don’t think I’m alone in my thinking but I am respectfully sharing my opinion on this matter. It’s the provoking manner and relentlessness that is the problem as much as the content that is maddening. So please explain why WE should lay off HER. Just because she has a different opinion is a pass to be an asshole to the rest of us? I admittedly have given it back to her and have recently decided to not give her any more of my attention or energy. But I’m a bit butt hurt that you would state that you would choose her over all the rest of us. Why can’t she just reel it in a bit instead of taunting constantly? Seriously, wth? IDGI
IJC, I agree.
Well her opinions sometimes annoy the holy fuck out of me. But she is Beets. And I am not picking her over you or anyone else. I’m just saying she is welcome here and I really like her. She is the Scalia to my RBG. 🙂 Even if she won’t answer my emails. It’s okay to have people with different opinions here. And we are all going through a lot here.
Well if anyone here is good at sewing, I need a dammit doll that looks like a red root vegetable.
Karen, I read and watched EVERYTHING I could find from EVERY NEWS SOURCE out there (no twitter or fb)liberal and conservativefrom the start. watched the AGs report that included witness accounts, ballistics and trajectory findings, who was where, chronology etc. I want facts, not a bunch of twisted up crap.
The idea that everyone in the PD, the FBI, the labs, etc. all got together to cover something up to protect the officers sure sounds like some tin foil hat conspiracy theory nonsense to me.
I believe the AG and the grand jury. I am going to wait for the FBIs report next. I have been up since 9:00 yesterday morning waiting for the AG and have been reading and watching and commenting since then. I’m aware of all versions of events but I believe the official findings thus far.
I’m going to turn this topic off in my head for tonight… I swear. I really am.
Then you should have asked first. . . by perpetuating the misinformation you are doing a disservice to your followers.
I agree with your comment on Ben Crump, he is a trauma vulture in the “Black” community.
Simply the worst. He is the male Phaedra. Reverend Warnock is the real deal.
You only see him as bad because his name attached to a case elevates it to national prominence. What you don’t realize is that he gets into a case often months after a family has been screaming for justice.
He is the worst person in the world. And you are his plaything.
not sure what I did wrong. But I do apologize if I offended you.
No need to apologize. You’re good. This is a contentious subject. I’m truly surprised at all of the misinformation being written here. The NY Times, and several other investigative stories, have laid the facts out. The current laws, in Kentucky and even Supreme Court rulings, make it extremely difficult to prosecute even the most egregious police misconduct. There is a long list of innocent people killed due to mistakes made during no-knock warrants. These warrants should only be used in the most egregious circumstances. The home should be a sanctuary. It makes no sense to barge into someone’s home for a simple drug charge, pick the suspect up on the street.
Google Rhogena Nicholas and Dennis Tuttle in Houston. There are many, many more.
Thanks for the unbiased facts of this tragedy. Appreciate reading the facts & not wildly speculative suppositions by a chosen few. Succinctly stated with no hyperbole or grandstanding alternate facts narratives.
I mean, I apologize… I just still don’t get what happened. My understanding is she dated a drug dealer. I get it is not cool to be shot and killed in your own house, And apparently, I don’t see why this is such a big deal. I mean why is this death causing riots in the streets? Whoever her boyfriend was… i think paying her familiy 12 million dollars is ridiculous! Everyone is freaking out, These are my beliefs. Maybe they make me a horrible person. Feel free to weigh in.
Then I’m really sorry you don’t understand and I’m even more sorry that you’ve chosen to buy into the right wing campaign to smear Brenna Taylor’s name. She was asleep when she was fatally wounded, and if it can happen to her, it can happen to any Black person, and the police will never be held accountable for their actions. And a system that time and time again makes the actions of law enforcement acceptable, is a system that justice isn’t blind, but rather solely applies to the select few. That’s why we’re protesting. If we’re going to die anyway, we may as well go out fighting, not while sleeping.
Agreed. She was not the FIRST black woman to be killed in her own home while doing nothing wrong. Just as George Fliyd, Ahmaud Arberry ans Elijah Mccain were not the first. But, she is one of the matches to light a prominent and very important movement.
No one should be killed in their own home because police officers were neglient in performing their duties. Signed judicial warrant or not…they did not execute it legally, in my opinion.
Breonna’s MURDER is important because if she can be killed because of an ex-boyfriend’s criminal history..who is next? She was/is literally being persecuted by law enforcement and personnel because she is “guilty by association”.
She was shot to death because her current boyfriend legally fires a warning shot as law enforcement entered their home without warning.
Her murder has been in the news as well as all pending legalities.
To say you dont know…very disheartening. Especially as I dont usually see hot button issues on this page. As Karen said, if POC are being murdered so…blatantly…what the hell are we going to do about anybody or anything else?
And I hope you post about other killings of other black people and their lack of justice such as the lives mentioned above alongside Breonna.
I agree. I’m out – this thread is pissing me off. This has been on the news for months and now you want to incite people and act like you don’t know why this is a big deal? WTF? This Beets person means more than 99% of your readers? You’re losing your mind lady.
I of course know why this is a big deal. I am just trying to figure out the details. We call that learning. I disagree with A LOT of what Beets has to say. But she is here, with us. And y’all just need to calm the fuck down about her. Why is the one person over in the corner with the MAGA hat making you all so hyped up? I can still like her even though she has shitty political views. THIS IS WHAT IS WRONG with this country. Maybe… if we just love each other… things will get better? I’m not losing my mind. I’m just being open minded. Beets has NEVER attacked anyone here. Especially me, like you did. It’s okay to post here and like Trump. We can talk about that. Because we are a family here. Maybe we have something to learn from Beets. Telling each other to fuck off may not be what we should be doing right now.
I don’t care (much) what political party or type of hat anyone wears. I dislike disinformation. I read the news, too much actually. And from many sources. If there is a story I become interested in I read the national, state, and local sources, then will read the legal commentaries. It’s not difficult to get to the truth but it is time consuming. Most people don’t take or have the time and just read the headlines or social media memes.
Yay good for you and your reading skills. Read the comments here.
People don’t have to love each other but society would improve greatly if people would respect each other.
Yeah, I’m done here too. I just can’t support a site that lets people post lies about an h an important topic. Beets is not being honest Tamara. It is not a matter of opinion. We are not talking about some stupid Bravo show. This is our country and democracy on the line. I’m out. Good luck everyone. I hope we can beat the facist, racist propaganda and save our country.
She was not asleep. They both heard knocking, got dressed and went to the hall. This was the boyfriend and the cop account, and it was reported on both MSNBC and CNN yesterday.
I just want to understand what happened. I’ve heard dozens of stories about “what happened there doesn’t seem to be a clear narrative. I am just confused. Literally all I know is everyone everywhere is “saying her name.” Is it wrong I want to know what happened? https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html
TT…read this article https://www.live5news.com/2020/08/31/warrants-issued-arrest-breonna-taylors-ex-boyfriend-amid-leaked-new-documents/
I do not think it is wrong to want to know what happened. I think the way you posed the question and your determination that her name is not worthy of being said is wrong. It may have been better to do more research before saying what you said.
I meant absolutely no disrespect. I was just trying to understand what happened/
If you have a moment, okay an hour, I highly recommend watching this show “New York Times Presents the Killing of Brenda Taylor” The show is on FX and Hulu. It’s season one, episode three. Here’s a link. I found it to be highly informative.
And all this back and forth is is just creating confusion and chaos.
All by best TT
https://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/new-york-times-presents
So because you may have dated a drug dealer at one time, it gives the police the right to knock down your door in the middle of the night? In that case every woman who may have dated a criminal at some point should be worried that the police decides to kick in your door.
Get the facts right first. She was calling the guy in jail and there’s evidence she had his stuff/packages. The warrant was for evidence about a drug dealer.
Even now, with all the info out there, these comments are still saying it was the wrong apartment, or he was a distant ex or whatever.
So did she deserve to die? Stop justifying an innocent person’s death.
IDGI STILL the midnight killing was about the cops looking for evidence? If they were looking for evidence they could have done that in the light of day. Why did the cops need to kill people to garner evidence? What am I missing here.
And do these 90 thousand comments not justify the fact that I’m not really sure what happened?
Trashbox, we gotta give up. Truth doesn’t fit the narrative of the rad left and the media. I really didn’t realize just how bad the media is and how many folks get their info from FB or Twitter. They are all one and the same when it comes to misinformation. I’m gonna go catch up on MAFS now, mindless entertainment sounds heavenly.
I am fan. This post hurt my heart. I am fan.
The protesters are angry that no police were charged for what they believe is reckless shooting, and how they feel it all went down killing innocent Black person. That the police never get charged with killing a black life. That the law we have make it almost impossible for a Police officer to be charged with these kind of actions…
Aside from your point about the no-knock warrant at o’dark thirty, there are a few things worth considering.
The police investigated themselves, which doesn’t offer much objectivity or confidence. The initial investigation had a number of inaccuracies, including a check mark that forced entry was not used and no officers were injured (one officer was injured).
Regardlesss of who Breonna Taylor was with or the company she kept, that shouldn’t justify her violent death by law enforcement. It was alleged that her boyfriend at the time, Kenneth Walker, was a drug dealer but that has not been proven and charges of attempted murder and assault, against him, were dropped. He shot once in defense of someone he did not know forcing their way into Taylor’s home, and KY does have a “Stand Your Ground Law”. There were also reports that an ex-boyfriend, Jamarcus Glover, had packages that were suspected of having illegal contents, delivered to Taylor’s home, but this was not true or found.
The investigation by the KY attorney general was an effort to determine whether criminal charges were warranted. With 1 of 3 officers charged for wanton endangerment, which does not involve Taylor’s death, essentially, it’s as if no one is held accountable for what happened. Supporters want to challenge the idea that actions by police should go unpunished by nature of their job. They also want to see a fair trial, without charges there’s no justice. Does this help clarify the disappointment?
From my understanding, she had previously dated the drug dealer. Her current boyfriend was not. As a matter of fact her X boyfriend had been taken into custody on the other side of town, almost the same time that they were crashing into her home.
It was a no-knock warrant. Her boyfriend had a right to fire as they did not announce who they were. He was using his right to “protect his castle” (stand your ground).
So clearly, there were errors made here, but the fact that there was an initial “cover-up” should give some pause ,why? I think that there is more to the story that we will never know. Maybe Breonna was a target of a “hit” or this was a plain ERROR on the part of the police and they won’t admit it,but will cover their arses.. Don’t know…..but the police response was not “normal” and the cover-up is suspect.
I think it is clear that Black people in this country are treated differently in situations as this. THERE IS NO QUESTION of this and until white people understand this and want change, there will be NO change in the system.
Maybe this will help you see where people are coming from-the only officer that was charged in this case was NOT charged with shooting Breanna. No one was. The officer was indicted for shooting recklessly into ANOTHER apartment. So, shooting a wall is a crime while shooting an innocent black woman is not. From my perspective, that devalues her life. That is how I see it.
If cops are shot at, of course trey have the right to shoot back! I do not understand the upset here, either. and the $12M is a ridiculous amount.
Please give me a logical reason why the public is upset. I’m not buying into the no regard for human life, or that they didn’t provide immediate medical attention. i could be wrong, but I’ve read Breonna died almost immediately due to injuries. No amount of medical attention could have saved her.
If i’m a cop and i’m shot at while doing my job u better believe i’m shooting back!
Maybe if you were a cop you would do due diligence by making sure you knew who was in the home. This young lady was in her home and did nothing wrong. The police are in the wrong because they should never have been in the apartment in the first place. The guy they were looking for was already in custody and did not live there. The police should not be allowed to break down doors of any home they want to. So if a former drug dealer lived in an apartment you just moved into by police reasoning it would be okay to knock down your door and if you shot at them because you didn’t hear or they did not identify themselves, they would be justified in killing you and your loved ones. If it were your loved one, you would think 12 million dollars were not enough. The city and the cops knew they messed up. That is why that settlement was so big. Then read about all the lies the cops told. Why lie if you were in the right? That is why nothing changes. This is not the first time innocent people have been killed because of no knock warrants. Even children have been shot. Now what if kids had been in that apartment. Would they deserved to be killed?
“they should never have been in the apartment in the first place.” I’m not sure where you are getting this information, but it’s not correct. The warrant was for her apartment and her car, and she was targeted because she was associated with a criminal. They weren’t looking for a guy, they were looking for evidence in her apartment.
Maybe you need to go listen to the whole press conference? There seems to be a lot of misinformation in this whole comment section.
Hi, lawyer here. Please stop commenting when you are inaccurate. As any skilled prosecutor, the AG only included facts in the press conference which fit his narrative and justified his (in)actions.
While the warrant was valid, it was obtained with inaccurate information. The person they were looking for was incarcerated and since Ms. Taylor nor Mr. Walker were being accused of a crime or presented a threat to the public, then there was no immediate or urgent danger that necessitated executing a warrant at the residence at night.
IF they were looking for evidence the warrant would have specified what type of items they were looking for and guide where in the home they could look (if you’re looking for a stolen 52” tv you can’t open a small drawer). The warrant was obtained under false circumstances and poisoned the execution of the warrant. Thus, the police should be charged because their actions were illegal. And the officer who testified to the warrant provided false testimony-perjury.
Further, officers have a duty to render aid as first responders. Failing to provide Ms. Taylor with life saving aid after shooting her should have warranted additional charges and is also partially why the settlement was offered.
Just when I can’t take the insanity anymore, you post this. Thank you.
“obtained under false circumstances” “threat to the public” What on earth are you talking about? There is evidence that she was talking to the drug dealer in jail, she was getting his packages, she was romantically involved with him within weeks, and she had moved things in and out of a trap house. She rented the car someone was found dead in. This was an investigation that had gone on for years.
You don’t have to be a “threat to the public” to get a warrant for evidence. Lord, I’m glad you’re not my attorney.
Maybe you think all of that’s not enough for a warrant? That’s a whole different issue.
Everyone here is acting like a warrant means the drug dealer had to be there, which isn’t true. The warrant was for her apartment and for her car for evidence, because she did at least appear to be involved.
Thank you
I just want to be clear. My Thank You was to HELPUSALL
That’s unfortunate, sugar, because you probably need a good attorney.
Police cannot just get a warrant and enter people’s homes for evidence in the middle of the night, especially if there is no reason for urgency. In order to obtain a warrant that will be executed in the middle of the night there has to be existent circumstances. Something to indicate there is a threat to the public. Otherwise you are infringing upon people’s rights. The 4th amendment protects against unlawful search and seizure, I’m sure you’re familiar with the Constitution. Warrants for evidentiary searches are usually executed during the day.
And where you’re argument fails and it is obvious that you are flailing for some reason-any reasons- to demonize Ms. Taylor, is that if she was such a threat and had committed all of your alleged crimes then the warrant would have been for HER.
Either way, we have a justice system. No one deserves to die at the hands of another. All reasonable and American minds can agree Ms. Taylor did not deserve to be killed.
“existent circumstances. Something to indicate there is a threat to the public.” I think you mean “exigent circumstances,” maybe slow down your subtitles on Law & Order. But that’s about warrantless search, which we aren’t even talking about.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Warrants for evidence are executed in the middle of the night all the time: for drugs, for financial crimes, for all kinds of things that aren’t immediate threats. They are done in the middle of the night (or very, very early) so people don’t destroy evidence.
“Threat to the public” is something you made up that has nothing to do with any kind of criminal law standard.
You are totally correct. I have read all the comments, and there are so much misinformation, it is pathetic! Please listen and comprehend the exact facts that were given at the news conference! All the answers are there! Quit making stuff up and giving false opinions!!!
Here’s what I know…her ex boyfriend was a dealer. Not the dude in her apartment that night. I mean, I don’t know him personally but, the warrant wasn’t for him.The cops were simultaneously executing a warrant on the ex’s house across town. For some reason, a judge thought they should check Breonna’s place too. The cops did knock on Breonna’s door (it woke them up) but according to the neighbor, they did not identify themselves and immediately started using a battering ram. The boyfriend, who slept with a gun on the nightstand (as you do) came out (Breonna followed) and shot through the door, hitting a cop in the leg. There were also cops on the back patio who, after the boyfriend shot through the front door, shot through the slider. (6 shots, blinds were pulled down, no line of sight) and that’s when she was hit. This all happened in a matter of seconds. The officer on the patio was found guilty of not following protocol or some stupid BS. People are pissed about that. And at the judge for signing the warrant for her house. Hope this makes sense. It’s 2:50 am in Seattle and I just woke up from a rum coma.
Thanks. I thought the guy in her house was the drug dealer the cops were after. I understand that no one should have to worry about being shot by police in their own home. I am terribly sorry she died. I just wanted to understand what happened .
The trouble is that we aren’t just talking about this case. If this were a one time event, it may not even be much of an issue. However, time and time and time again, police are not held accountable for their actions. There is rarely an indictment and cops are almost NEVER punished. I get that you want to understand the specifics of this case, but it isn’t just about this case. It is every other unjustified killing that lacks due process that has come before it – of which there are so, so many.
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Thank you! It’s been one thing after another where it feels like blacks lives don’t matter. It’s maddening, upsetting, and I am just tired.
CoolMama,
The specifics of every case are crucial. Every case will not fit neatly into the “all police are evil racists” box. But some will so specifics are needed every time anyone is shot by police.
There will be changes made to police procedures. Body cams that show the ENTIRE arrest from beginning to end will be so important to everyone’s safety. Forensics and ballistics don’t take sides, they just tell their part Of the story. This isn’t a hopeless situation.
1000% agree w BeetsWhy on this one (and i usually don’t).
I understand. But this case is the one all over the news . I watch the news a lot. And it has never been clearly explained. I just need to know what exactly happened.
But it is about this case. THIS CASE has every celeb talking about it. THIS CASE is everywhere. And yet, most of us don’t really know what happened. I am trying to understand WHAT HAPPENED and not just be on the celeb train with no idea of how things happened.
https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html
What about the smear campaign I keep hearing about where officials wanted the ex to impugn Breonna?
I hear you and I’m not 100% sure this case is the sword to fall on. However, the fact of the matter is that there is little to no accountability for law enforcement. EVER. When folks start to dissect the details of a situation that is so often repeated, it feels like we are missing the big picture. How many times are we going to question the victims and when are we going to start questioning the police?
Yes, it’s been a widespread misconception that Kenneth (her current boyfriend there the night of the shooting) was the drugs suspect police were looking for. He was NOT. The person they were looking for was a former boyfriend she had dumped some time ago and who had not stayed at her place for quite awhile. Many witnesses at the complex said they did not hear police announce themselves until AFTER shots were heard. Kenneth said when he heard the knocking and then the battering ram in the wee small hours of the morning, he did not hear police identify themselves and assumed someone was breaking in. He armed himself with his licensed and registered gun to defend himself and his girlfriend from who he thought were intruders. Neither Kenneth, nor Breonna, were suspected of doing anything and were not on the warrant issued, a judge just signed off on raiding her place to find the suspect…even though it was highly unlikely he was there and they had other current KNOWN places he was staying. After Breonna was shot, she was still alive and bleeding out on the floor with Kenneth (as he’s stated) asking them to help her and they didn’t. He called 911 himself. Kenneth, who THOUGHT reasonably they were being home invaded and fired his weapon is being charged with a more serious crime than the officers who shot Breonna in her own home. Breonna is guilty of nothing more than having bad insight previously in her past dating someone who turned out to be a criminal and she’d already rectified that by dumping him. And that’s not an actual crime.
Furthermore, before you RESPONSIBLY conduct a raid, you watch a house to see who lives there. You get intel from the post office, you run the occupants through wants and warrants and you check the records for registered guns.
EVEN IF I DIDN’T GIVE AN F ABOUT THE “bad guys,” I WOULD care about my officers. PROCEDURES would be in place for the safety of the officers. Procedures were either non-existent, crappy or not followed. Knowing WHO the occupants were and knowing the occupant had a registered weapon, it would have been easier and safer to arrest them as they were getting into a car or walking on the street. Then, secure the premises and search.
Exactly! Tell it sister !
They had the incorrect address.
The initial media spin was that she was in her bed, it was the wrong apartment, and nothing about the boyfriend shooting.
All of that turned out to be wrong.
That was not the initial media spin. The boyfriend was charged with shooting the police officer but after an outcry, the charges were dropped because he was in his own apartment and shot after the police broke down the door with a legally owned gun by the way. He was not the person he was looking for. Breonna Taylor’s former boyfriend who did not live at the apartment was the target of the warrant and was already in custody before they broke down the door. Now if you are sleeping and someone breaks down your door, what would you do? Funny how only Black people cannot defend themselves in their own home.
Even in this thread, people are saying she was shot “sleeping” and that it was the wrong apartment, because that is the spin on social media and in the early reports.
The warrant was not for a “person,” it was for evidence. Breonna was targeted because she was talking to him and maybe had his stuff/packages.
I don’t recall ANY of that on the local news. You saying that is actually the first time I have ever heard it, and I watch WLKY every day and read The Courier-Journal weekly.
It’s even in this thread, people are still saying she was shot while she was asleep or it was the wrong apartment. That’s what was all over my social media, and still is!
I am talking about news sources. Not social media. While I love this blog, and it is my go to for all reality TV news, this is not where I go for local and national news. I read the newspaper. Maybe that is the problem here.
Even today, after all the news is out there and was reported everywhere, the narrative is still she was killed “in her bed.” https://deadline.com/2020/09/kentucky-native-george-clooney-comments-breonna-taylor-decision-i-was-raised-to-believe-in-holds-people-responsible-for-their-actions-1234583107/
Not that she was standing next to someone shooting at cops.
I am just trying to understand.
As you should LA I am not a news site. I am simply more and more confused about Breonna Taylor. There are so many “news stories” out there. I am just trying to figure things out like the rest of you.
Don’t apologize for asking the right questions. And don’t listen to the rude people who try And make you feel bad for not understanding.
You are doing the right thing by asking the questions and being open to each point of view.
Unfortunately right now everything is political, and therefore no matter what you think someone’s going to be “yelling”??
Personally cops have way too many liberties in this country and this case is unfortunately not the one that highlights that the clearest. But as we have seen with the George Floyd case, when it is clear…. nothing happens anyway
“Tensions are so high right now and people are choosing their position immediately without having the full story.”
There is no doubt in my mind that Breonna should not have been killed by police. I grieve the loss of her life as does most people. I just want to know what happened. I am seeking the truth because I have heard a million different versions of the story. I feel like this one is the most accurate. Tensions are so high right now and people are choosing their position immediately without having the full story. https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html
For the factual part, I’d recommend listening to the AG’s press conference was obviously heavily planned and explains all of it, including the parts that don’t match with the FBI version.
The collective response you are seeing is not based on these facts, because a lot of this was not available until recently. And most people don’t know the actual facts, as you can see on this thread.
well if anything I feel better about being confused. But I am still confused
With all due respect that news conference told the story from one point of view. Law enforcement’s. Daniel Cameron is a gutless wonder. Met with Breona’s mama before the announcement yesterday but failed to tell her that the charges weren’t related to the death of her daughter. She found that out along with the rest of us.
Exactly!
First, I read the entire police report. No she wasn’t a big time drug dealer. However, her name was on the warrant. They have pictures of her at the trap house. She was involved. This was a 4 year investigation! For those of you that don’t believe the police. What about the boyfriend? He said in the report and on jail calls. Breonna WAS NOT in the bed sleep. Please stop with that lie!! She was in the hallway with him! He ADMITTED he shoot at the police first! If someone fires a gun at you. Your going to fire back!! Personally, I think the boyfriend should be charged. I feel he used her as a human shield. His actions got her killed. She was shot 6 times! Why wasn’t he injured? Also, Breonna was fired as an EMT. She rented a car for him and a dead body was found in it!!!
I’m a social worker at the county jail in my city. I have been working at this jail for 15 years. I have met a lot of Breonna Taylors here. She is a victim of bad decision making. She was hanging out with dope boys and involved in the dope game. You either end up in jail or dead! This should be a lesson for all young ladies.
It is untrue that her at that time current boyfriend had anything to do with drugs. 1. The exboyfriend was associated with drugs. The current boyfriend is a law abiding citizen with no criminal past ( like that even matters) that legally owned a gun. 3. It doesn’t matter where she was killed in her own home whether it’s the bed or the hallway. She shouldn’t have been killed anywhere, her need, bathroom, kitchen, etc.4. There is no evidence the boyfriend used her as a shield.5. His actions didn’t get her killed. He stood his ground as he thought intruder were breaking in. Is stand your ground only for whites people? The police killed her. 6. This is the first I’ve heard about Breonna renting a car for anyone, current or ex boyfriend. Are you suggesting that her death is justified because she rented a car for someone?
Sorry, but no. If someone is breaking in to my house (which is what he thought that was happening), I have every right to defend it. In his mind, it could have been the ex or people that were associated with him. So, he defended his home. It isn’t his fault that Breonna was shot. It was incomplete police work and procedures. I support the police 100%, but there some cops that make their own rules. This was a comedy of errors. The minute that they knew that they screwed up, instead of trying to cover their own assets, they should have rendered aid. Incompetence is to blame, certainly not her boyfriend that was defending her.
Yes indeed.
I may be in the minority on this but I understand why the cops weren’t charged – despite my belief that they should have received some sort of ‘punishment’. joolz-of-the-north’s explanation was accurate as were the others that said it was a huge disruption in the middle of the night – in an innocent woman’s home. I’m furious that that poor woman was put in that situation and essentially executed for no real reason. I say ‘no real reason’ because there wasn’t a need for this. Had the cops checked their information, this may not have happened – drug dealer ex was in custody, they should have known she was no longer a close associate, etc… Honestly, if that were happening at my door, I would be in the same situation.
Here’s the problem, and (sadly) it really isn’t so much that an innocent woman lost her life: The problem is cops in general. They do what they want, when they want, and there is very little accountability. In this case, they were reportedly following orders and maybe the lack of charges is the right thing to do. But… what it speaks to is a bigger problem – a law official’s blatant disregard for life, particularly black life – regardless of said individual’s participation in the events that led up to the confrontation (which btw… was no participation). This was an excessive use of force in an effort to find.. what? Drugs? Drugs which shouldn’t be shooting back? To me, the bigger picture is that the whole structure of police forces should be overhauled/reevaluated (something politics are turning into ‘Defund the Police’ controversy) – this should never have happened to Breonna Taylor and, without courts recognizing the severity, it will happen again. Things need to change – which incites the fury and protests over this verdict.
I’m a white woman but trust me, I’ve seen enough instances of abuse of power, and have been in situations where I’ve been concerned for my safety (from cops) so I get the protests. I’m a law abiding citizen and have never been in trouble, per se, but i have had a cop in my house (after I invited him in – 16 y/o daughter called them because we took her cell phone – long story) and once that cop was inside, he nearly physically attacked and almost arrested my husband for having the nerve to question his presence inside my home (not realizing that I had invited the guy in to get him off the porch). Fortunately, in our case, my husband had the presence of mind to settle down and let the cop continue his aggressive behavior but that situation was very eye opening. Note: they didn’t make me give the cell phone back
Overall, in this case, I understand the letter of the law and the results of this investigation – even though it sickens me. These particular police officers were following established protocol and orders – and may have become afraid when initial shots were fired – I get it… I really do.. Maybe they shouldn’t be punished (individually) but the system needs to be overhauled entirely.
This is what I wanted to say but couldn’t put into words. The system is so clearly wrong. An overhaul is a must for citizens to be truly safe. Searching for drug money and/or drugs should never be done during the middle of the night. I have no clue why anyone thought this was normal or remotely okay. This was clearly not an emergency. A life was lost for nothing at all. This plays out over and over in all of our communities. A month doesn’t pass without seeing someone shot and killed by police while executing a search warrant on the local news. Violence begets violence and the cycle never ends.
Poeple are saying her current boyfriend who called the cops for help for her and who fired on police first was not a criminal. Is this for certain? Because in my mind, if you have a felony, you’re a criminal. I don’t want an argument, I just want to know if it is a fact or not.
according to Kenneth Walker’s (the current BF) attorney…Mr. Walker had no past criminal history so I am not sure where you got that he had a felony. Also (and I dont know Kentucky gun laws) I dont think a person could have a legal, registered gun if you have a felony on your record. The initial charge against Mr. Walker for the shot he fired was dropped. Many sources are reporting that the officer that was shot was likely hit with friendly fire.
Wow I am shocked at Tamera she is a research kind of girl. This thing has been in the news forever with the circumstances surrounding the case but your response calling him a drug dealer not knowing he has a license to carry he was protecting his family they knew the man was already in custody or they hadn’t made sure to check every thing before the mission to place. I guess that the white privilege speaking.
It’s amazing that you cannot even spell my name while we work through this. Must be your white privilege.
Honey you misspell words all the time but jump on everyone else for doing the same. But, like I said you usually try to be spot on about your facts.
Our AG is also Mitch McConnell’s puppet. Never even tried a case.
I don’t think Mitch was on the grand jury. Not all AGs are trial attorneys FYI.
Tamera I don’t know it seems like people don’t get it. What happened to officer friendly the people that came to the schools and were so kind. They get meaner and meaner it not just to black people others slip thru too. Why did they shot that little boy the mother just wanted assistance. They need to be checked for drug use steroids as well as coke and meth. It doesn’t make sense.
Right now the Louisville interim police chief is having a news conference to update us on the two officers that were shot last night as well as several other officers that were assaulted with bats, bottles and bodily fluids. There were 127 arrests and 16 looting instances.
Fox and MSNBC covered in it’s entirety, CNN COVERED NONE OF IT, they ran regular programming. Think about that.
I had mostly MSNBC on yesterday, and I thought their factual coverage was pretty good, except a couple of the screaming heads.
The arrests of looters? How shocking. Protestors are not looters. The officers that were assaulted? What do you think was going to happen, after the sickening grand jury results? The two officers shot last night – who shot them? Can you prove it was the protestors, far right instigators or gang members?
Some views are based on assumptions, some on facts. It’s a fact that young lady was murdered. It’s a fact The Central Park Five were railroaded. It’s a fact that a large majority of falsely imprisoned black people are now being exonerated due to DNA.
Tamara is an excellent facts person. But sometimes facts are hard to find. I’m not making any statements about the facts in this case, but I will allude to the statements in this thread; even in this discussion, there are multiple posts about facts that are conflicting. I really applaud Tamara for trying to start a conversation that would lead to better understanding vs. further polarization. Unfortunately, what I am seeing as a reader, for some, who ‘get it’, there is no leeway in their minds for those who do not and they don’t appear willing to engage in discourse that would lead to better understanding. YMMV.
YES!!!!! AGREE!!!! When someone is trying to understand, ask questions, open a forum for people to explain and share knowledge don’t f**king verbally cut them off at the damn knees.
Absolutely
Right on Mel G !
This. I am thankful to Tamara for encouraging our discovery of the most pertinent facts involving this case. Unlike other news coverage of shootings by police this rings different to me. I have gone from believing it was a complete screw up and overreaction on the part of police to thinking it is a tragic event we can hopefully all learn from.
Although I would have marched for many of the other black people who were victims of police injustice I would not march in this instance. This is more about the procedural aspect of the arrest warrant. Big problems with that but not with the actual officers carrying out the warrant.
That said, I ask myself how would the community react if this was a basically innocent white woman shot in her bed while asleep. Thank you TT! This thread is very helpful.
Read the story on Rhogena Nicholas and Dennis Tuttle, there was outrage, still little has been done about it.
CrazyPugMom, I agree. I’m starting to question myself and the news sources I use, what with the disparity in nformation here. If anything, it’s been a wake up call for me to start digging deeper. And I’ve not cared for the bashing of differing opinions that’s been happening here lately. A lot of us have managed to co-exist on this site for years.
Someone emailed me to say that I am just trying to get views. UM HELLO! I am always trying to get views that is my job. But I never imagined in a million years that this would get so many commenters. And the emailer also said something about me knowing what happened. I am still confused. I used to be smarter but lately,,,, I am not, I drink a lot,, I am scared. I am not doing well. So no I am just asking questions, And am waking up with new bruises in the middle of the night to a dog eating Nivea. Life is fucking hard, Can we just lighten up on each other? Why the fuck are people coming down on me because a Trumper posts here? People are allowed to have opinions here. Let us all just live! You can hate her opinions without hating HER, That is all I am saying. She’s my friend. Just like all of you are.
I agree with you.A true libertarian would have
Voltaire in their heart and in their head.Disagree with the view but I fight for your right to have that view.
What has happened is people want to shut down ALL opposing views and resort to name calling .
Is it any wonder media fills in the blanks .Just asking for views is now asking to be insulted .
Ps I still dont know what happened.
As a Louisvillian, what I don’t understand is why the city gave Breonna’s family an unprecedented $12million settlement before the findings were released. Which would presume some culpability on the part of the police/city, yet no one is charged with shooting her or for her death and no wrongdoing was found with the exception of firing in the wrong apartment. Then why was $12million paid out? Seems like a coverup is definitely possible.
I think it was because they let her die by not calling for help. Thinking the real cover up (and possible racist act) is that she could have been saved had she been tended to medically right away..
It was said the BF (who returned fire on police) called 911. If that is true, then he wasn’t taken into custody at that time? Because if someone fired on police they usually don’t get let go right away and given access to their phone in an active crime scene. This is part I don’t understand. If he wasn’t deemed a threat, how come help wasn’t called by police and only him. And how long after she was shot was he actually able to make that call? After reading all these comments of factvsfalse info. That is the conclusion I am coming too.
She may have been involved as far as receiving packages at the house. Police may not have followed protocol regarding the “no knock” or firing into the dwelling. Neither one matters if the real reason she is dead was that she was refused immediate medical attention.
This makes total sense so why in the world is no one talking about this? All of the focus is on the shots fired and whether they knocked. This whole post highlights all of the confusion surrounding the case and lies spread by people on both “sides” yet so much is getting overlooked.
Because the only part of our government that is still working how it’s supposed to be according to the constitution are our civil courts. Criminal courts are compromised. Every other branch of government is also compromised by not doing what they are constitutionally obligated to do nor are they handling their respective checks and balances duties. From a congress on both sides that is bought and paid for to a president handing out executive orders like free fliers from a newly opened restaurant (pre-Covid) to a judicial branch that may or may not meet out justice according to the current law on the books to a military that may or may not defend the constitution above everyone and everything as their main job these days is making weapons manufacturers even richer…none of it works for the people except the civil courts. For many people—including Black people and other people of color—the civil court is the only place they will ever see any justice. Ever. And yet Black survivors of police brutality or the loved ones of those murdered by cops are supposed to deny themselves even that justice because somehow the money is tainted? It gives these families what? A bad look? Makes their case for justice weaker? Look around: financial settlement is all these people will ever see. And the city of Louisville did settle quickly because every prosecutor in America knows the civil courts still work. They know they can’t roll in with BS and lies and win. They try to not even waste their time. Plus they know they can make the families look like greedy monsters for accepting cash for a loved one’s murder.
If you don’t have Covid brain, if you think cognitively, and if you don’t side with one political party over another then you can look at all of the known facts about this case—NOT the unknown grand jury report which was not released to the public, but only summarized by the AG who is not a non-partial person in this murder, and you can only conclude that these cops lied to get the no-knock warrant, wore plain clothes to hide they were cops, wore no body cams or did not have them turned on, did not knock or possibly “knocked” as they battered the door down, shot up the apartment so badly that their bullets entered into other apartments yet did not hit Breonna’s boyfriend even though the cops allege Breonna and her BF were side-by-side in an apartment hallway, retreated after they murdered Breonna, did not worry about the status of Breonna or the BF long enough for the BF to make more than one call including to 9-1-1 crying for help because he didn’t know who or why someone had broken into their apartment and shot Bre, arrested the BF, tried to frame the law-abiding BF, tried to coerce the ex-BF drug dealer into lying about Breonna to bolster a fake case against her, only fired one cop who is the one who allegedly did not hit Breonna with gunfire, settled with Breonna’s family before the grand jury findings, and then only summarized the grand jury findings instead of releasing them.
Black people want justice and equality. They continue to be denied.
Thank you Tamara!!!! Breonna was a victim of horrible choices. Unfortunately she was killed. Please people, look at how your choices can lead to bad results. Please stop the cycle so lives can be saved.
First of all I do not think Breonna needed to die. I do not think she is a victim of “bad choices” I am a total fuckup who has made many bad choices when it comes to men. That doesn’t mean I need to die. So shut the fuck up. I am just trying to understand what happened.
TT, you’re comments are completely understandable and warranted.
The warrant was for her ex, who is a known drug dealer who was still using her address. Police found his mail at her house.
Not only is her ex a drug dealer, her current bf is one as well. Breonna was actively engaged in the drug trade. Police have video, pictures, and phone calls of her going to their drug house picking packages of drugs up and returning to her house with them.
AND, her car was found with a dead body in the trunk in 2016. She said she didn’t know anything about it. The ex was with the car when the body was found.
The police did identify themselves. The bf did shoot first. Let me ask you this, have you ever shot at anyone at any hour of the day or night at your door?
It is true the officer outside who started shooting at the building was horribly wrong to do so. He had no clear line of sight to be shooting at anything.
It was always a lie how this story was portrayed. Never had anything to do with race. Breonna was not shot in her bed. This is the story the media conveyed because it fit their narrative of police killing innocent black people. And those who pointed out the facts in the situation have been called racists and other names for doing so.
There’s no question police brutality should not be allowed. No question racist cops should be fired when they are found to have committed crimes. But there’s also no question most of these shootings are brought on by the choices and behaviors of people who are criminals.
Police do not go around hunting for random black people to kill. But that’s what the narrative is. People who believe that are misinformed, naive, brainwashed, or want to believe it because it fits their distorted world view.
Dearest TT, I have no desire to yell at you for not understanding. Questions are always good. Growing up in NYC I have seen a lot of “no knock” warrants go wrong. Years ago a 3 month old child was killed because the police went to the wrong apartment, even with the correct address on warrant. My point is we are flawed by design. Mistakes will happen & the innocent across the board will continue to pay the price. We need a better tactical solution to the “no knock”
The AG made it very clear the warrant was not a “no knock”. That piece of information sent me reeling. I hit a wall & cried for hours. The police use of a battering ram under these circumstances is a legal quagmire-see 4th amendment. If you don’t hear the police knocking it is illegal to kick your door in, except in exigent circumstances. Those circumstances better pass the sniff test, it’s a high threshold. They are to sit & wait until the person on the warrant leaves their home & taken into custody legally. We are also not legally obligated to open the door for the police. Not to be questioned by them or arrested on a warrant.
Until qualified immunity is eradicated, police will continue to murder with impunity.
Wether I agree or disagree, you have the best commenters. You & Banjo stay safe ?
I am not trying to take a side. I am just trying to understand. I agree that Breonna should never have died. I think all of us are on that side. I just don’t understand how that happened is all.
Lisa you are also one of the best commentors. Thanks for posting here.
you guys have also made this clear as mud. The only thing I know for sure as Breonna didn’t deserve to die. And I guess that is all we need to know. I was hoping to understand why she did, But apparently that part is super complicated.
I am just now watching The View.
Two words Ben Crump.
He’s an “attorney” like Phaedra is.. They are both media whores and pieces of shit. I cannot stand this fool. He makes everything worse.
Phaedra is not Crump – more like Cochran. He is a good man who says the truth. He cannot make it any worse than black people who pay taxes being assassinatd by white supremists.
Crump is out for Crump. He’s a deplorable. He swoops in to any sad situation to capitalize on it.
This man is the worst. I despise him. He uses people. Trust and believe he got his share of that $12 million settlement. I don’t believe he is sincere with the families he attaches himself to. Sad because when people are hurting they are desperate for support and someone to stand up for them. He just isn’t the right person. Crooked ass.
Here is the link to the AGs full unedited news conference from Kentucky’s FB page.
https://m.facebook.com/kyoag/videos/616294642586423/
You will want to go to minute 17, that is where he enters. Not sure why they didn’t cut out the waiting but that is how it aired live.
Surprised your not quoting the police commissioner and the the union spokesperson too.
The AG is not credible and should not be quoted or trusted.
Ask 100 people what happen, you will get 100 different answers. I take what the AG says as fact. I’m suppose to trust him, I don’t. It was a failure upon inception & down hill from there. All the checks put in placed failed. By design (no body cameras) or incompetence (shooting blindly). Everything that could have gone wrong, did. My tears were from frustration. We will never know what actually happened,
No need to pick a side, the clarity you’re seeking may be elusive. I can’t speak definitively about what happened. I can only repeat what I’m told & if I choose to believe it. I don’t like that shit.
FYI I am taping The Talk and watching it now. If you got turned off this show before.. You need to give it another chance. It is so much better than it had been.
This is all horrible.
After a billion comments, I still don’t get what exactly really happened,
That’s because no one except the participants know for sure how it all went down. A lot of the details are disputed. A couple of things are undisputed however-
– her BF who was with her, was NOT the drug dealer they were looking for
– no drugs were found in her place
– BF fired bc he thought it was a break in (Kentucky law allows him to stand his ground)
You’ve linked to The NY Times article that lays out the facts several times at this point but still say you don’t get it? I can’t help but feel like this was just a way for you to drive traffic to your site. I have been a consistent reader of yours for years (multiple times a day) but I’ve got to bow out. This, and your constant defending of that condescending troll, Beets, are the last straws. This is just too much. I wish you nothing but the best. Later
That condescending troll, Beets ,has every right to be here just as you have the right to go. As for me, thinks are clear a mud with the Breonna thing. I am always trying to drive traffic to my site. THAT IS MY JOB AND HOW I EAT. That said, I never thought this would be a huge post as it is. I just drink a lot and say things that sometimes hit a nerve. This is one of those times. Back when Jodi Arias was on trial, I had WAY MORE VIEWERS and no ads. So….you do you.
I can honestly say I have learned something today by reading multiple comments by a variety of people. For the truth tellers & the fact checkers I sincerely thank you for your time & effort explaining this sad case to all of us.
The NYTIMES is a rag take it from a NY’ER. The last credible editor resigned because she stated that she refused to allow twitter to run the headlines at the Times! Go figure! I left NYC a long time ago thank you Gawd! I now reside in Kentucky!!! Yes Breonna did not deserve to die but because a bunch of thugs didn’t like the outcome gives them no right to destroy others property. There were ppl from other states they were interviewed & gladly said so. It was disgusting. They shot 2 police officers. To state that the AG is incompetent is unfair, actually he kept alot close to the vest
in order to maintain the mob at bay! There was a truck with weapons that were being distributed for the mob. Anyone that carries a weapon & calls a police officer the C word is part of a mob not a protestor!! The AG could have given more info that would have enraged
them more. He chose not to. I will leave it at that. Her current boyfriend even stated that they knocked & so did others. It was a knock warrant. She died because of the coward she had for a boyfriend. He knows it. Stay tuned because it will come out! As for Crump he’s an ambulance chaser! Can you imagine trying to defend a child rapist? OMG!!! WE NEED TO
ACCEPT THE TRUTH NO MATTER WHERE IT TAKES US!! IF a police officer did wrong I have no problem with she/he being punished. The media is worse! Thanks! Peace ?
I apologize for only casually paying attention. But do you now at least understand why there are so many versions of this story and why I asked the question in the first place? I never expected this level if comments/vitriol. But there are so many stories out there, I am pro police in a time where sadly that is not cool. But if you break into my house at midnight you are getting fucking shot. badge or not.
Tamara, you are not expected by most to follow all stories in the news and report the facts. You have every right to question what you don’t understand. A few years ago my Uncle was sitting in his house doing a puzzle book when suddenly his door was rammed down and he found himself on the floor in cuffs. He was accused of being a drug dealer. The police had gone to the wrong house! Mistakes happen, as clearly they did in the Taylor case. The problem is the cover up. The police offered the ex boyfriend that was the true drug dealer a deal to be let off of the charges if he would implicate Breonna. He refused as she was not a part of his drug dealing. They don’t pay out 12 million to the family, quickly, if their hands are clean. Take care of you and Banjo!
Once more with feeling. When I know something I tell you what I know, When I don’t understand something I will ask you. I am actually no better off than I was before asking. Breonna’s lost life is a tragedy. That is all I ever knew. Maybe that is all I need to know. But wow…. you guys love to argue.
Wow I just scrolled through and looked at a handful of comments. I am with you on still being confused about this case. There is a lot of differing information out there that contradicts itself. I think we won’t really know the true facts until the grand jury info is released AND the actual trial happens and even then I don’t think either side will believe what is being told. I have been trying to stay away from political arguments because people tend just to end up personally attack each other and it is really depressing. Thanks for trying to get info!
What we know for sure is that on Sept 23rd, 1955 the murderers of Emmett Till were acquired. Time will tell. We will look back at history and through different lenses. There were two sides then. To some of these commenters, It is easy to see what side of history you would have been on.
I agree with you TT. I see it this way as well. She was no longer dating the drug dealer boyfriend, however the surveillance they had (which justified the warrant ) showed the drug dealer boyfriend recently at the home multiple times, allegedly with “packages” at times coming in and out, not necessarily from the US Post office. What drug dealer uses the US mail? . She had also recently been on surveillance with him in a car. There are over 30 recorded calls from the ex boyfriend when he was in in jail and Breonna. Many references in his recorded calls to other people about Breonna handling his money and business for him while in jail–his words, could be true, could be a lie. In 2016 a dead body was found in a car she was renting, when Police questioned her she said she let the ex boyfriend drive it. No direct evidence she was a dealer or user. herself, but being linked to a drug dealer proved fatal for her. I think this young lady was trying to better herself and step away from that life and that type of association but she was still in contact with the ex. The upstairs neighbor testified in the Grand Jury that he heard the Police knocking and announce themselves. It’s been reported as a knock and a no knock. So I guess that was up to the Grand Jury to believe or reject The boyfriend admitted he did in fact fire his gun first. Once you fire at Police in that kind of situation, anything can happen.I wish the Police had verified whether the ex was actually there or not before even executing the warrant. It was handled badly from the get-go. We really don;t know what all the evidence shows, hopefully it will be released. It’s very sad. I feel for her family. I feel sorry Breonna lost her life over some low life. The blame is all around though.
In this case, as in most cases, much of what is initially reported and what we “hear” turns out to be wrong–but meanwhile, people have made up their minds (to fit their prior biases) and started taking actions ranging from posting on FB all the way up to rioting. It would be far better for everyone to stay calm until there is a full investigation and the facts are out. I heard it repeated endlessly on news outlets that the police were at the wrong house, but that is not true.
And it’s not just this case; in most cases the early reports are wrong. In the old days, they had a saying: Falsity is halfway around the world before Truth can pull his boots on. These days, we see a tweet with 10,000 retweets, and then the correction (if there even is one) gets about 10 likes. The stories that most fit your prior biases are the ones you most need to be suspicious of and delay spreading.
You don’t get ostracized from this site because you have shitty political beliefs. We are supposed to be talking about TV!
And that’s terrific. But why you let thise people push this bullshit about Soros paying protesters and “reasearching” their “facts” from a bunch of fucking bullshit online “sources” is beyond me. People are so easily manipulated and their stupid fucking phones have made it like shooting fish in a barrel. Guess what, your “research” is FAKE NEWS with an AGENDA. The press is there to hold the people in power accountable. Don’t let some orange turd that lies every time he opens his mouth tear down our democracy. Facebook is doing that just fine by itself.
Expert disagrees with the emperor? Deep state operative, fake news, everybody is out to get me, boohoo. Expert agrees with the emperor? Hey, you”re head of HHS, USPS, Dept of Ed. Jesus Christ. Why is this so hard to see. It’s manipulation at ti’s worst. Biden says something doofy, he’s straight Satan. Trumps sows mistrust in the very foundations of this country? Cool! Ugh. Airplanes full of men in black? Obama is somehow both totally incompetent and also running a shadow regime that’s going to take the country down and put us all under sharia law? Which is it???
It’s not about your “right” to your opionion. It’s that your opinion sucks and is influences by a lifelong con artist. The problem is bigger that this case. The irony in Beets saying she can’t believe how “the media” and “radical left” are the entire issue. It’s batshit. The left eats their own with a big helping of political correntlness. The end. It’s so dishonent. Fox and OAN are lying to you, too. I think of justing ending it all somethines. I dont’ want to live like this.
I’ve put through a lot of nasty moderated (first timer) comments. Apparently, I am a racist and an opportunist for making this post at all. If that is your assessment of me, you are clearly brand new here. And yes normally I would have researched this. I appreciate all of you sending links. Links are not normally allowed here but I have allowed every one. Breonna Taylor’s death is just so tragic. That I knew. But I still struggle to understand how such a tragedy can occur. And now of fucking course the cops are not held accountable. It’s just more sadness in a very shitty year. I’m sorry if you now hate me and/or want to leave the site. But this conversation needed to happen. But make no mistake, Breonna Taylor will not be forgotten by me.
But that’s not how you started this. To you Breonnna Taylor’s death was justified because she had once dated a drug dealer. The fact that you’re allowing links is only making that even more clear since so many of them are to out right lies and innuendo that have been refuted. I also can’t help but think you brought in that NY Times article just to stoke the right leanings flames that you already knew existed from your more right leaning regulars, who have said foul things in the past.
Social media is your bread and butter and has been for a decade now. That’s why it’s really hard to believe that you knew nothing about this case, and aren’t simply using feigned ignorance to further the right wing agenda to smear the name of Breonna Taylor and the protesters who’ve simply had enough.
We now know you’re definitely not a Democrat, and emphatically so from another post, and we’ve watched how there were many folks like you who claimed to hate Trump, but somehow still checked his name on their ballot. So. I’m not saying you’re a liar, but as someone who knows you have a Twitter account you utilize rather efficiently as the mood strikes you, I am saying your veil of ignorance is showing signs of wear.
https://www.wkyt.com/2020/08/26/warrants-issued-for-arrest-of-breonna-taylors-ex-boyfriend-amid-leaked-new-documents/
https://htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com/files/search-warrant-2-1589584493.pdf
Here is the search warrant and the leaked transcripts of phone calls from Breonna and her ex boyfriend who apparently she was still seeing.
https://www.wkyt.com/2020/08/26/warrants-issued-for-arrest-of-breonna-taylors-ex-boyfriend-amid-leaked-new-documents/
https://htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com/files/search-warrant-2-1589584493.pdf
The Louisville police department have stated the leaked transcripts are incorrect, misleading, and should not have been made available in their current form.
The fact that Tamara even asks this question and the negative lies she states as fact is enough to no longer read her blog. I’m not going to support racism and bigotry.
I usually do not care when people leave my site. ESPCIALLY first time posters. I am reading along with the rest of you.
Particularly since now that you’ve made your political leanings crystal clear, you’ll have even more supporters of your site than ever before.
Your engagement on this post alone makes that clear.
TT is not a bigot or a racist, you are mistaken.
And here in lies a big part of the problem with our society at the moment. An innocent black woman is shot in her own home and it becomes polarizing based on which political party one is aligned. I don’t know if this particular shooting was racist or not, I am certain it was another black person unnecessarily shot by a police officer. Change in policing needs to happen to keep these avoidable killings from continuing to happen. Even though I disagree with much of the information presented here, I appreciate TT starting and continuing to allow this discussion. For this change to occur, difficult conversations, like the ones happening here, must happen.
“To simply blow this off as a tragedy for which no one is to blame is an insult to the life and legacy of Taylor, but also to the dozens of innocent people who have been gunned down in their own homes before her. And the effort by Cameron and others to make all of this go away by feeding the public half-truths that blame the victims in this story — Taylor and Walker — for Taylor’s death is inexcusable.
We could prevent the next Breonna Taylor. We could ban forced entry raids to serve drug warrants. We could hold judges accountable for signing warrants that don’t pass constitutional muster. We could demand that police officers wear body cameras during these raids to hold them accountable, and that they be adequately punished when they fail to activate them. We could do a lot to make sure there are no more Breonna Taylors. The question is whether we want to.” -Radley Balko
You can’t speak for Tamara, and there are actually Republicans and Independents who understand the issue with the case and the clear misconduct involved.
The issue here is Tamera’s opening statement as we as her allowing links, many of which are easily refutable. I just find her ignorance of the case a little too convenient given her own professed political leanings.
Yes! there are many that understand the fact regardless of political affiliation. There are also many more that seem to have picked a side based upon their political views. IMHO
I’m not trying to speak for Tamara. As a long time reader I can give my opinion. Anyone that has read this blog for a while is aware she has had a lot going on personally and professionally these past six months. Knowing this, I don’t think it is unreasonable at all she has not followed the Breonna Taylor shooting closely.
I was here way back during the cat lady days and know that Tamara always had things going on. I also know that she inspires a cult like following amoung those she likes, and is very good at her job and running this site. With that said you still can’t speak for her, cuz as the cat ladies found out, you really don’t know her.
You write the truth, Karen!
I came across your blog while I was deep in a RHOBH Google spiral a few days ago. I admire your bravery in speaking so freely; that’s definitely something people have been avoiding lately. Keep speaking your mind and questioning what we’re force fed by the media! You’ll always have me as a fan whether I agree or not.
Literally every day it is more confusing. NOW THIS.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/28/us/breonna-taylor-grand-jury.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20200928&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=cta®i_id=65264220&segment_id=39275&user_id=97749b9f765226e13ac9f7a52c184c57
I don’t know why that would be confusing. A Grand Jury member knows better than the rest of us what evidence was presented vs what the AG is saying publicly.
But heres a great article from Vice with info from a SWAT team member that questioned the raid and why his team knew nothing about it.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bv8q3w/louisville-swat-team-told-investigators-they-had-concerns-about-raid-on-breonna-taylors-apartment
I want twelve million from the family of the black man who murdered my sister. Not happening, right? All black people are innocent, right?
Le sigh.
I did ask for that to be removed. I got triggered again and wrote something stupid.
New article that explains the case and why a Grand Juror what’s all transcripts/recordings of the Grand Jury proceedings released.
https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/21514887/breonna-taylor-daniel-cameron-prosecutor
I asked for explanation for this and didn’t get anything but anger. I wanted the facts. And I got them on the ABC show. I get it now. I knew it was horrible. I knew it was unfair. but I needed to know what happened.
And now I see the whole story which is all I was asking for…
And Daniel Cameron is the worst person in the entire universe.
You got anger because this has been a terrible Summer into Fall for many inside and outside the Black Community, and even as winter falls were still working to make sense of the direction this nation has moved it, and knowing whether or not it’ll ever change. At this point I’m skeptical, buy I suppose time will tell.
Also, it was never that I thought Breonna was the problem. It was just I did not understand how any of this could happen. I just didn’t and don’t understand how this can happen. I literally vomited watching the show. But not until Daniel Cameron showed up. Before I saw that, I thought it was just more racism, cops win, etc, But Daniel Cameron? What does he think his pathway to politics is? It is certainly not a path as an African American man… He’s a fucking sell out. And I apologize for being late to the story. I tried to ask what happened and I only got it all spelled out to me like I hope you guys would tonight…
In saying that she was dating a drug dealer and stood by her man, it sure sounded like you were blaming her, even if that wasn’t your intent.
I am profoundly sorry for my ignorance.
And I apologise for the anger I expressed at you, and only you. The rest of the ignorant folks who post it can suck it. I’ve no interest in making nice with folks who are intentionally ignorant.
I’m still shook by that 20/20 show. Why weren’t the grand jurors showed that body cam footage. You can’t unsee/hear that.
Which is why they weren’t shown it. The proceeding was a farce, and I’m thankful a jury member had the guts to step forward. He’s the reason we have the 20/20 Special. Otherwise the press would have simply moved on.