I starting this RHOBH recap about an hour and a half early because my brain is NOT working today. In fact, it hasn’t been for a while. The other night I was making dinner for me and feeding Banjo. When it came time to add the wet food to his bowl, I dumped it all on my dinner! Banjo ate well that night. Covid Brain ain’t not joke. But this is the show with the most comments by a mile. Last week I wimped out and just did a discussion forum and it was fantastic! You guys had almost 200 comments! But I am dying to go to Rome tonight, so I shall plod through and share my thoughts.
Let The Roman Holiday Begin!
I find it hysterical that production put Denise and Garcelle on a second flight. Maybe first class was full on the main flight? Or most likely, they want the other women to trash Denise all the way to Rome. I’d rather fly with Garcelle and Denise. I adore Kyle and Rinna but they would be A LOT to fly with. On the other hand, Rinna could sanitize my seat for me. We didn’t get any plane footage, so my conspiracy theory is shot. They do all the trash talking in the cars. You can’t tell me Rinna wasn’t filled in on the 9 hour plane ride. Meanwhile, Erika and Dorit are appreciating the sites and being grateful to be there. This is the hotel they stayed in. If I ever get out of the country again, I am staying someplace GOOD.
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I would never leave Rinna’s room. They can see the Vatican from her window. And she has a huge out door smoking area patio. I’d like the Rinna suite please. Meanwhile, Kyle calls Dorit to see what she is wearing. She says she is wearing a white shirt, black pants and flat boots. “So casual,” Kyle responds. Dorit says yes. Then we go to Dorit’s room where she is in a Chanel white shirt. I know this because in true Dorit style it says CHANEL on it. So tacky. And she has a hair and make up person with her. Why would anyone take a glam squad on VACATION? And, for reasons totally unclear, the woman is gluing fake pearls to her hairline. Le sigh. Oh dear GOD. She has fingerless gloves that say Coco. Honey you are in Italy. This is Versace territory.
Time For Drinks In Italy!
I was wondering where Sutton was. She has to get her passport renewed and is threatening to book a private plane. I recently FINALLY got my new passport and am ready to flee ASAP! I kind of forgot to recap because I was so excited to see the sites. Rinna wants to play the stupid go around the table and discuss what the most trouble they got into as a teenager game. Sigh. Kyle starts. When her mom found out she had lost her virginity, she called a family meeting! Kim caught her in the act and told the whole family. Did I mention that all of Atlanta must read this site because Black Box Merlot is sold out everywhere? My neighbor who kindly went to get me some says the wine aisles are all wiped out. And we have HUGE aisles of nothing but wine. People are losing it at this point. Wine is the new toilet paper around here. Garcelle and Denise finally arrive in Italy after their flight was delayed. The other ladies seem surprised to see them. Really?
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OMG, They are going to the Spanish Steps the site of one of my childhood traumas. I was probably around seven years old and went with my parents and my brother who was around 17. Spending time in Tripoli, you learn how to haggle. So my mother would look at all the venders wares on the steps and then just walk away or attempt to haggle. Well, she attempted to haggle with one guy and he got very angry for some reason. He called my mother a name in Italian that my brother understood. The next thing you know my brother and my generally docile father are in a physical altercation and I am terrified and bawling. I don’t think any actual blows were thrown but there was much shouting. I can’t stop bawling and mother basically told me to shut the fuck up. That was almost as scary as the time we were surrounded with machine guys pointing at us in Turkey.
More About Me! Ummmm I mean Roma!
Garcelle seems to think that if she didn’t get her passport she could have flown private and would not need one. That is not how the world works, Garcelle. You can come by donkey like Jesus and if Jesus did that today, he would need a passport. Wow, I guess they don’t allow vendors on the steps anymore. I also don’t think there were all the high end stores there in the 70s. It seemed to my seven year old mind to be a pretty sketchy area. I think Fendi is tacky. Oh I remember the Trevi fountain. It’s odd the things you do and don’t remember when you were seven. That’s like almost fifty years ago. I believe that was when I got my first alcohol. lol. I think that might be where the gin popsicles were. They were delicious. I wanted two. Mama said no. Daddy might have said yes…
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The second best thing about this episode after the travel porn, is I HATE DORIT AGAIN! YAY! I knew she couldn’t be likeable forever. And Sutton has a fucking ring light and a glam squad of two. /eyeroll Kyle and Kim are in a good place and have a sisterly phone call. Rinna uses Erika’s glam squad and that doesn’t bother me at all. Tonight everyone is getting super glammed up for a dinner party at a fancy Roman restaurant. Y’all know what that means. It’s ON! LOL I love new girl Garcelle who refuses to play the game. She say, “Dorit and Erika were having a fashion show. Come on! We are having dinner at the hotel!”
It’s Time To Confront Denise
Sutton did not like her white wine and the waiter suggests Pinot Grigio. WHAT THE HELL ELSE DO YOU ORDER IN ROME? And then she tells Garcelle that she was offended when she asked at their dinner together where she got her money. Garcelle apologizes. And thus begins the airing of greivances. Teddi, the only sober person starts it. She repeats all the nasty things that Brandi said Denise said about her living in her father’s shadow. Denise said she never said any of that and I believe Denise. This seals the deal for me. I am TEAM DENISE.
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And why is it “really bad”, Teddi if Denise and Brandi did hook up? Denise has been beyond open about getting happy endings to her massages. Why would she deny this? So Teddi is the one tasked with telling Denise what Brandi said. Kyle says that Brandi thought she was in an open marriage and the next morning Denise say never to tell Aaron. This is an awful thing to do to someone who can’t go home. Denise says Bravo Bravo Bravo and tells them not to air this footage. I mean who cares if it isn’t true. And Teddi is sort of a snake in the grass who said Denise does the Bravo Bravo Bravo thing to keep things from being edited.
The Fourth Wall Comes Tumbling Down
They play a flashback of Denise saying Bravo Bravo Bravo in the past to make footage unairable. Or so she thought, but here we are nonetheless. But if it was untrue, she surely wouldn’t want false allegations aired. Sutton, bless her heart, tries to interject some decorum about what is and is not appropriate dinner conversation. She claims to have already heard the rumors about Denise and Brandi but THAT IS THEIR BUSINESS. And who on earth relies on Brandi Glanville for truth? And now I find myself awkwardly on Dorit’s side when she tells people there was no need to bring this shit up at all. Denise says if they ever want her to be on the show, they need to cut that.
Next Week: Brandi’s shit stirring becomes more obvious.
Denise’s version on how friendly she was with Brandi changed from Bravo Con to 5 days later in Rome. Also, they’ve already shown that she did talk a lot of shit about Kyle in the vehicle with Garcelle and Rinna a few episodes back.
I can’t stand Dorit. She’s just obnoxious. There’s nothing entertaining about her.
Yes there is, those pearls on the side of her head.
She had to find a use for the beads that fell off her dress at Kyle’s party.. 😆
😂
The only thing Dorit cares about is appearances. She brings nothing to the show. I continue to wonder why she’s still on it.
Dorit is a clackwaggler.
Mobile phone user (invariably female) given to inane, loud conversations with other (invariably female) users during which the phrases “Yeah” “I know” and “Did he?” will be uttered metronomically.
When not talking on the phone, clackwagglers will be texting/taking selfies. When not texting they can be observed gripping their phones tightly, scanning them every 15 seconds waiting for them to ring.
lol–this is so perfectly described…
I feel bad that I actually stopped hating Dorit for a few episodes. I blame Covid Brain.
I blame a Bravo editing. Several people here expressed surprise that we found ourselves liking Dorit this season.
Yes, Bravo does seem to be trying to help her but for what? We don’t even see her pretending to work on Beverly Beach. I am much more interested in finding out how she and PK manage to live that lifestyle that I am in Denise’s sex life. Oh, well.
Yes!! How? The clothes, glam squad etc.
TT, then I join you with the Covid Brain, because I too was liking Dorit for a couple of episodes! Shame, shame, shame.
I’m sure I can’t be the only one who remembers when E! ran “Denise Richards… It’s Complicated”. That’s when I really started to become a Denise stan. She really opened her books and mentioned it all, so it’s hard for me to believe these allegations that she’s hiding all these dirty secrets that Brandi must allegedly tell the entire world.
While I may have changed my mind on other past and present RHOBH cast members, my prior assessment of Brandi still stands: She’s as trustworthy as a four-dollar bill.
Also: Dorit still sucks, and I can’t any more with her “fake it ’til you make it” ethos. As the old saying goes (you know, the one Dorinda once used on RHONY): Money talks. Wealth whispers.
I think Denise has a lot of good qualities. I don’t understand why she is so mad though. She is the type that would say, “Yeah, I hooked up with Brandi, so what?” If it were true. I think what she is mad about is Brandi saying she shit talked everyone. I don’t think she did that.
And Again, apologies for tolerating Dorit for a few episodes. I’m not really thinking clearly these days.
My two cents is that Aaron would not be happy w this and leave her and she knows it which is why she is trying to cover her tracks.
Exaclty..Like Kyle Bangs stated, that Denise is trying to change her image. And when Denise goes, it is not true, when nothing was brought up about the hook up. There are three sides to every story and the truth lies somewhere in between,
I have absolutely no idea why Denise is on the show. She’s well aware and had her own reality show, so I think she is coming across as inauthentic. That is it for me. She’s just not anything but giving me anxiety being upset being on a show that is torture to her. I don’t want BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO every episode.
Is this her storyline? Trying to avoid the cameras? Lol maybe, guess her throwing out the “guess I am going to call my lawyer” is always a buzzkill.
Thing is Denise was/is going through a crazy custody battle, she doesn’t need anything mentioned that could negatively impact her. At the end of the day every single one of the cast is inauthentic with what they choose to show; Rinna don’t talk about my husband, Dorit being chased around the pool wasn’t even aired, Kyle and the cheating rumours, Erika and the Giradi lawsuits. But in everyone of those cases, they backed each other and didn’t allow it to be on the show. Denise has been a hit since day 1 and there is huge envy from the rest of the cast (Exc Sutton and Gracelle).
Actually, Kyle’s “very good friend” LVP made it a point to bring up the cheating rumors on more than one occaision.
vickie80, Denise is not going through a crazy custody battle. She has custody. Charlie is asking for an adjustment to his monthly support payment to her and for relief from the back child support owed. Charlie has significantly less money than when that custody arrangement was made and currently has little to no income. And, every woman on this show is strong, successful, independent, and beautiful, no one is jealous of Denise.
I think Aaron would’t be mad that the hookup happened, but rather that he wasn’t there to watch.
He’s that kind of pig 🐷🐷
Well it’s my experience that in friend groups, shit talking with friends about other friends is normal behavior and if it gets leaked everyone is so appalled that they then shit talk about the friend that was outed talking shit. Which is all very hypocritical.
The reason Denise was so upset is because she is dealing with Charlie in court with child support and doesn’t need to give him any ammunition whether perceived or real. She is also dealing with a jealous husband who doesn’t want her out gallivanting about especially with someone like Brandi. Seriously would you even go near her in person let alone in a bed?
There are people on this board that are more familiar with child support rules than I so perhaps one will chime in. It is my understanding custody issues are where the ammunition is brought out, child support is determined by formulas set by state civil statutes. While the system does allow for some discretion by the court, generally it has little to do with a spouse’s behavior.
Also, while I think Aaron is an asshole, unless you have some other first hand knowledge, he has not shown any signs of being a jealous husband.
Other than when he told Denise he’d break her hand. Oh, that’s abusive, not jealous…
Yep – The 3’some is window dressing all roads lead back to Aaron – Aaron in Season 2 seems to be around more physically and vocally leading Denise by the hand ( which he threatened to crush )
This is about Aaron’s comment, I will no longer be watching as it’s not entertaining.
I watched that show I loved it I loved her and her dad.
I think Dorit and PK would have money by now if they weren’t spending to look like they have money.
I do agree with you! I loved Denise on her show. I think if there were things she had said or done she would just admit it.
Rome was beautiful. I would LOVE to visit there. I have never traveled internationally and I would love to.
I cannot stand Brandi. I liked her waaay back, but not now. Dorit….I really just can’t like her. I want to, but she just doesn’t have much personality.
I liked Teddi (I’ll admit it was primarily due to John Cougar Mellencaamp), but she is full of it. “Really bad”? That was infuriating. She said it like she was going to accuse Denise of child abuse!
I love Garcelle! I thought her money question was funny, but I do understand it was probably inappropriate. Sutton accepted her apology and let it go. I’m starting to like her.
I love Denise. I just can’t help it.
I have always liked Kyle and especially her fun dynamic marriage to Mauricio. However, I think she has been assigned the person to stir the drama.
I don’t know what to say about Rinna.
Curious about the reunion.
Poor Denise, she just wanted to have a good time and here comes Teddie Downer, ruining it for everyone. I wish we could have seen more of Italy and less of these staged conversations. Why did they eat dinner at the hotel, why didn’t they go to a fancy restaurant. So many questions. I cant wait to move to California. I wonder how these ladies feel now that Brani came out and said she was lying, I would like to have an update on that.
WTF? When did Brandi admit that? Please spill. I will google after dog walk. WTF!
Allegedly she said it on her radio show or whatever, she they they kissed and that was all.
Someone please tell me how saying bravo bravo bravo unaireable?
I think it’s the Fourth Wall thing.
As if everyone involved and everyone watching doesn’t know … an example of breaking the fourth wall under extenuating circumstances was when the Below Deck cameraman rescued Ashton. (I bet a certain Chief stew wishes he wouldn’t have 😉.)
Otherwise it’s “invisible fly on the wall.”
I don’t think I answered your question adequately. The fourth wall is the “cutaway” or “invisible” wall between the stage actors and the audience. (There are three physical walls on the stage.) The actors are supposed to act as if there IS a physical fourth wall separating them from the audience.)
Brandi’s story doesn’t add up to me. She’s claiming she came forward because cheating is so bad and she’s not a cheater and hates cheating. If this was an issue and she had such a strong moral conviction around, then why did she frequently claim the women’s husbands were cheating on them whenever she got upset in past seasons? Why resort to that kind of put down or wish that on other women if you feel like cheating is the most terrible traumatic thing that could ever happen? Also why did she do things like throw herself on Eileen’s husband, if cheating is so beneath her? Beyond that, she was constantly throwing herself at married women when she got drunk too, and rarely respected their boundaries. Her supposed morals just aren’t in alignment with her actions. And it all seems very fishy to me
Also, Brandi asked Denise and Aaron to be a throuple at Kyle’s party….after the alleged hookup. If what she said about Denise texting her randomly about keeping her mouth closed, that to me would have been the first post-party text from Denise…like “hey why would you ask my husband and me to be a throuple” yet no mention of that to Kyle and Teddi. Also, for a non cheater, do we all really believe her and the witch chick that was on for one season just kissed? And…isn’t that technically cheating by itself?
She’s so full of shit. Another thing, so what if Denise said things about the others. They all do. I’m sure Erika has heard that she’s a cold bitch before. Big deal. Saying Denise is a cheater is fighting words and could ruin her personal and professional life. Teddy looked like a fool telling Denise with her “its bad”, it’s reaaaalllly bad”, making Denise squirm until Dorit told her to stop torturing her and say it already!
Teddy needs to go. She’s so awkward and boring!
Brandi’s story has been changing since the first rumors began. It has been changing since last week’s “totally random confession” aired. If you watch true crime shows, you know that one way cops determine whether a person is telling the truth or not — when a person’s story keeps changing, they’re usually a liar. Not always, but almost always.
I did notice that Brandi didn’t shake her head the opposite way that her words were indicating, but that was because she was too busy trying to remember the script. When this airs out west, I plan to watch to see what Denise’s head does.
I paid attention to Denise’s response after reading this post and your comment – I think she was doing the opposite!
I think the opposite too.
Teddi has to be the most unlikable and uninteresting person on the planet. If Denise did say those things about Teddi it’s nothing that hasn’t been said before. Also Erika has been called cold a lot by many of the housewives, however I think Brandi just took what she’s seen on the show and read on Twitter and said Denise said it..
Now next week Brandi said she’s slept with another RHOBH? Lol. She’s crazy.
This.
Kyle’s mini me has got to go. Kyle is caring and fun but Teddi is just awkward and uncomfortable to watch at all times. And Erica, brrr.
I think Denise us too genuine for her own blossoming these career spin experts.
Meant- Denise is too genuine for her own good.
Kyle is caring and fun? I guess I must have missed that all of these years!
Unlike Rinna, Kyle tries to make the other women, especially the new ones feel welcome and comfortable and that is a caring aspect of her. Her impressions of the other ladies, especially Teddi’s unusual walk and her ability to deescalate problems with her indomitable splits make me laugh.
Denise claimed that Brandi had sex with Lisa Rinna. Brandi didn’t say that.
How do you know Brandi didn’t say it? Also there’s a tweet of Brandi saying she wants to have a threesome with Denise when she was on WWHL in June of last year, which would be two months after their alleged hookup.
Sorry, I meant that it was said by Denise on the show in the same breath where she was saying she would quit because someone accused her of the same thing.
I have no knowledge of Brandi ever said it privately.
Ohh! I think Denise said it to show Brandi’s credibility, or lack thereof.
Denise is going to say Brandi told her she slept with Rinna? After proclaiming last night she had little contact with Brandi?
Thank you both! I have been saying these same things about Teddi since shortly after her arrival and I got slammed for saying it. Never been a Teddi fan. And she is up kyles ass the way Kyle used to be up LVP’s. I guess I can never express myself correctly about this. I don’t care if they are good friends IRL, like who cares? But it’s the way that friendship fucks up the group dynamic that I took issue with on top of just plain not being a fan of awkward Teddi as a cast member. I’m sure she is a perfectly lovely person IRL, just never felt she was a good fit for this franchise.
This was meant to be reply to JustJenn and Rabicate. Landed in a weird spot.
Teddi is the worst. Everything about her sucks in my opinion. She is only on the show because Andy thought she would get her father and Meg Ryan (at the time) on the show. She offers nothing and is the biggest crybaby ever!
I agree that a Teddi should be off the show. She is BORING!
It sounds like your mother got more than she bargained for. LOL team Denise here
I really want to be Team Denise. I love watching her and I admire how she took in Charlie and Brooke’s kids when they (Charlie and Brooke) were messed up. However, she seemed not very believable when she kept denying things before they were said. She also had a look couple of times like she was lying. Could be editing.
All of these conversations bore me, to be honest. I feel like in NY, they argue about real life. In BH, they argue about what people said or about things that happened off camera. They beat every issue to death and then some. I’d much rather see Rinna selling on QVC or Erika showing off her house or Dorit trying to run a business, or any of them with their families. Instead we get countless dinner parties where the topic is why did you say xyz about me?
I totally agree, Kara W.
I am a huge Denise fan, but her denial did not seem plausible.
As in most cases, I imagine the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
Perhaps Denise and Brandi had a drunken makeout (as ALL Housewives do, at some point!) And she took it and ran with it.
To get screen time!
No matter the case, I hate them not enjoying the beauty of Rome to focus on this petty fight!
Can’t it wait???
I agree. I dunno if sex happened, but something did. Prior denials from Denise invoked anger. This response was welling up with tears. Seemed very different to me.
Also, I like Teddi so maybe my judgement is clouded but she was welling up too. I think it weighed heavy on her too and it was a lot to keep in. I think the things said about her hurt her and she wanted to know if that’s how Denise really felt and everything else built on top. Never to hurt Denise but like word and feeling vomit almost. Her awkwardness because she was so uncomfortable knowing things she didn’t want to know. I don’t feel like Teddi was malicious. Kyle on the other hand, I think was elated and couldn’t wait for it to all get out.
I agree on all counts. Denise isn’t as good of an actress as she thinks she is.
And she’s not even making sense. She blanket denies saying anything mean about anyone -they all trash talk each other- says she and Brandi don’t confide in each other at all, says it’s such an unfair accusation that she’s quitting the show -then says they Brandi confided that she had sex with Lisa? She can’t keep her story straight.
I still think this plot is a story that Denise, Lisa, and Brandi wrote together. C- for execution.
I would definitely watch Dorit hostesibg at Bucco do Beppo or Kyle throwing parties with high Mauricio.
Teddy is either frowning and grumbling about how she’s NOT OFFENDED or staring dead eyed with her mouth hanging open to catch flies. Erika should be interesting, but she doesn’t say any words. Garcelle and Sutton are nice but uninteresting and trying too hard. Except that Sutton claims to have been told about Brandi and Denise having had sex months earlier.
I loved that Denise it’s complicated show it was well done and she was very honest. I remember really liking her and her dad.
I think this whole situation is just production driven and senseless. I’m sure she slept with Brandi but it’s irrelevant because who cares. They can do what they want it’s a non issue. Production made it into an issue. Denise had a fling it’s her business.
One thing that doesn’t track for me is Brandi says Denise told her that she and Aaron had an agreement that she could hook up with girls, but not guys. Then she says she talked WITH BOTH Denise and Aaron about it. Then she says Denise and Aaron asked her to find them girls for threesomes.
But then she says Denise LIED. But how are we supposed to believe that when Brandi says Aaron was part of the discussion? She didn’t say “they must have changed their stance and Denise didn’t tell me.” It’s just so far off. Brandi contradicts herself often.
I think that’s Brandi’s point. She was a willing participant when she thought it was not cheating by Aaron and Denises’ standards, but a he would not have been involved if it were a betrayal or cheating. So, when Denise said she had cheated after the fact, she felt like she’d been manipulated into doing something against her moral standards, such as they are.
I think it’s such a huge allegation to say that this happened while Denise’s daughter was having a sleep over. What parent would ever let their kid have as much as a play date with any of Denise’s kids after that? That’s the only thing that makes me inclined to believe Brandi.
I don’t and never will believe much of anything Brandi says. That lady has and will do ANYTHING for attention.
I’m sorry I’m not team Denise. I like her, but she’s shady as fuck. “I like you Kyle “ “I can’t fucking stand Kyle”. She talks shit which is fine, she’s not really friends with those women but then she pretends it’s not being said. Also Denise for an actress is a BAD LIAR. She was lying all through out that dinner. So yeah. I still think her Brandi hooked up, which as someone who watched Wild things as a young teenager I’m not mad at… But idk something isn’t clean in Denise’s buttermilk.
But gosh I REALLY wanna go Rome.
Yes, it sure did seem like Denise was lying at that dinner. In the end, so what? I am still Team Denise. The way these bitches, particularly Rinna and Kyle, have come for Denise is just disgusting, I’d hate to have a “friend” like Rinna.
Brandi, IMO, is just thirsty. She wanted a way back on the show and ended up trashing her already bad reputation. I don’t think that any publicity is good publicity. I do believe her though. She got all nervous and wasted at the hospital charity event. Not that she usually isn’t wasted, but the nervousness thing was real, it seemed…..
I’m in the minority as a Dorit fan. Can’t put my finger on it but she is way more entertaining than Kyle, Teddi, Erika and Rinna. I don’t understand the Rinna fans. She is fake as fuck and we see nothing of her life other than her spoiled kids and her dog’s ass.
Someone told Teddi to step up her game and go after Denise to stay on the show (Kyle).
I heard that Garcelle was not coming back, but watched WWHL last night and she seemed just disgusted by Rinna. It seemed like Sutton and Garcelle believed Denise made those comments about the other women. Again, so what?
Also Andy said somewhere he hopes Denise comes back. Me too– along with Dorit, Sutton and Garcelle. The rest of them are just unwatchable.
I’m with you. I really think Denise said those things about the other women and was unprepared to respond truthfully. She wants to be viewed as the fun easygoing down to earth girl but is hiding her true feelings about the women. They totally had the right to ask her whether she said these things or not.
However, I don’t care about the Brandi storyline. Teddi told her what Brandi said but she doesn’t need to explain herself about that business.
Dorit’s Chanel outfit reminds me of a gas station attendant from my childhood. Some days I wish that was still an option! Is having your gas pumped still an option anywhere? I guess big cities or wealthy communities, certainly not where I live!
My first experience after I crossed the Oregon border and into a gas station was to look up and see a smiling gas attendant at my window. It’s against state law to pump your own gas. YAY! I HATE pumping gas, so this set the tone for my short trip. Everywhere I drove everyone was very polite and friendly. I have heard for YEARS that Oregonians were rude to California drivers. I guess I won’t find out until my next trip because as I got my fill up at the last gas station, I noticed my rental had Utah plates!
It’s illegal in NJ to pump your own gas. I am in PA and it’s weird if you travel there.
I’m a PA driver, can’t tell you how many times I’ve gotten out of my car and looked around all confused before I remember I’m in Jersey 🙄
Yessss! Totally hideous outfit. FFS Does she always have to have a designers name across her shirt?!
Here in NJ (and only 1 other state—I believe it’s Oregon) gas station attendants still do it. I feel lucky bcz who wants to do it in all kinds of weather. I tip 2$ every time I fill up. Way worth it….
I had no idea I should tip! Stupid NYer here. How much is standard?
I asked several people in Oregon and ALL said no to tipping.
of course tipping is not required but when its raining or cold or scorching hot I am so appreciative to not have to pump it myself I just do it out of gratitude…lolol
I’m a big tipper. I love to be served!
In Oregon you are not supposed to tip, but I always do. It’s very cold most the year and rainy and they are always kind and friendly
FloridaGirl – just an life experience share: Husband and I lived New Zealand a few years back. Auckland to be exact. All gas stations were attendant service stations. You really weren’t allowed to pump your own gas without an attendant coming out and practically embarrassing you back into your car. Many many of those men attendants did wear turbans. I never was clear exactly of what country they hailed. It was rather nice though.
Yea she said it’s not true, then was asked, “ oh you know already?” Then, tried to say she didn’t know what was fixing to come out.
Agreed. I was surprised to hear the women calling Denise image-conscious because of how “open” she seemed last season and her messy bun and outfit choices. But her backstabbing of Kyle caught on camera (while later claiming to Rinna, “I like Kyle!”) shows that it is a character. Not sure why…maybe she feels she’ll get more work if she is perceived as a saint. Or maybe it’s at act she put up for Aaron?
I think what Brandi was saying is true. I wasn’t sure before last night’s episode, but the outburst and the bad lying (how she responded to Garcelle’s question) confirmed it for me.
I’m wondering if the drastic change in Denise from last year to this year’s image overhaul has something to do with child support/custody. If CS owes her thousands in back support and she’s in court trying to get any support, perhaps he’s using the strategy Denise isn’t a perfect role mode either and they should have shared custody. (If it’s true- he’s sober now and doesn’t have money for the wild life he had). If he can prove this then no support would be owed. Custody is nasty and CS always goes low. Denise seems very upset by these “other issues”.
Also, I would never believe Brandi -EVER! She’d do ANYTHING to get back on tv. Mind you after the Krupa lawsuit you’d think she’d be cautious but she doesn’t seem to be scared by Denise’s cease and desist.
Denise was so obviously lying. People can say so what all they but that is the point. She is lying. Why is it anyone else’s fault that she’s lying? Plus, it’s just housewives 101. There’s a rumor and who do we believe? Blah, blah, blah.
Dorit is SO FAR OFF THE MARK on CoCo Chanel. Chanel MADE her mark on making women’s clothing easy, comfortable and beautiful. Her branding was not putting her name on mediocre crap to justify a price tag. “Everything” pearls is not the essence of Coco. Contrivance and artifice is the opposite of CoCo Chanel. When she said take one thing off, she meant shit like “COCO” on those mitts. And those stupid hairline pearls.
Absolutely. Nanette.
Dorit looked stiff as a board.
Plus, aren’t we in Italy?
Sutton nailed it with her Dolce dress! 🌹
Didn’t watch this week’s show however I saw a picture of Sutton and I can’t believe I am typing this – Sutton is living La Dolce Vita – I loved her dress.
The one with the red roses?
Same here!
Yes, little black number with the red roses she looked stunning.
So on point.
I am replying to Nanette – Chanel gave women freedom. Yves Saint Laurent gave them power. – Pierre Bergé.
So succinct and true. I really, really, REALLY HATE all of those clothes (especially T-shirts) with the designers name slashed across the front. It’s a cheap parlor trick to sell overpriced crap to rubes like Dorit and Jennifer Ayden. Notice that Sutton doesn’t wear that crap. The only good thing about that gross branding is that there is a lot of counterfeit. Usually, I am very against counterfeit fashion, but for the overpriced, hideously tacky branded stuff, I say, “copy away.”
Here is what is bullshit. Brandi makes a big deal out of never cheating. I don’t care if the marriage is open or not. IF she did have sex with Denise (which I doubt ) she was still with someone that was married. And if she did, so what ? It’s none of their business. Teddi seems more upset about what was said about her. I can’t stand Teddi. I do love Garcelle and she has stuck up for Denise. The rest can go away.
So i just had a wild theory on Denise wanting to have this cleanish image now. Could it be to garner more Hallmark work or keep what she’s got, I dunno, just a thought, hey Lori is gone we need another older hot lady🤪. I thought Denise did trip herself up though, when she said she had little to no contact with her, but then said yeah but Arron was there. Looking at the ceiling for the story to come to her. Sorry I totally think shes lying they had sex, shes smiling when she says ‘what?’, like omg totally lying!! I know this gang up mentality is the new way to rid the show of casemates you don’t want, but it sure seems like Bravo is feeding this beast too. Frankly I’m just happy theres a story line here and they’re not all drunk talking about cabaret or sad old men like NY.
When Denise said, “Aaron was there,” I wanted to hear the rest. But Buttinsky Kyle interrupted AGAIN. I think (under Kyle’s loud crap) that she was saying something about Aaron coming up (to the filming location) and something about THREE KIDS being there. (Brandi said two.)
I remember back when the podcast was done that Bravo’s The Daily Dish (I am pretty sure that was where) ran a bit about Denise and Brandi having a slumber party. It was all above board and saying Brandi went up there to do the podcast and how she stayed with Denise and they watched movies and laughed, etc. All about fun.
We need to remember that Kyle’s party, the “True Confession,” and the trip to Italy were mere days apart. Why didn’t Brandi, in typical Bravo tradition, SHOW THE RECEIPTS? The texts from Denise right before and after the party. I wouldn’t necessarily expect her to have the older ones BUT SHE DOES. THOSE, she put up on “the socials.” There is nothing inappropriate. It’s just Denise confirming the podcast plans and telling Brandi she can stay with THEM if she wants to save money.
This whole thing is starting to STINK like Kyle. Kyle who would not let Dorit finish what she was trying to say. Dorit only got the intro to her main point before Kyle talked all over her. Kyle used to be my favorite, but I am starting to think it is SHE, and not Denise, that is not who she pretends to be.
Kyle did the same thing at her party last week. Denise was trying to talk to Teddi and Kyle sent Camille to interrupt them. She reallly doesn’t like Denise and is making her feel as unwelcome as possible at every given opportunity.
A lot of people on insta are saying the scene with Brandi’s confession at Kyle’s house was filmed after the Rome trip. I guess they were piecing together insta stories/posts and timelines? Brandi is desperate. I could see her single white femaling Denise.
So Teddi was lying when at the dinner table she said Brandi’s accusation was all on camera? I don’t think so.
I mean it was supposed to be days after Kyle’s party and before Thanksgiving. Kyle’s house was full on Christmas decorated when they filmed that scene… I think it was a reshoot for sure. Teddi definitely took the lead and acted like she was Brandi’s confidant which doesn’t at all align with the scene at Kyle’s house at all.
I believe the party was Nov. 19. I found it online when I put together the Joanna Krupa v Brandi and Brandi v Denise timelines.
Yes!
I was leaning towards Brandi, and after tonight I really am. Something about Denise’s reactions seemed off.
That is such a crazy, out-there thing to hear if it’s not true. I feel getting quiet, angry, trying to stop filming, and then saying you’ll quit the show, is what you would do if you know there is truth there.
And Teddi (as insufferable as she may be) kinda catches Denise, when Denise is claiming to have no clue.
But the cherry on top is that Sutton heard the rumor from a mutual friend too. Huh???
Brandi may not be reliable, but after having to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in lawyers fees during that Joanna Krupa lawsuit, I can’t imagine she’d risk making something 100% up from scratch.
But who knows…
PS – Dorit freaks out about Kyle’s margarita IN ITALY, as she is head-to-toe in a French designer??
If I was innocent of some gossip I would want to know exactly what was said, and would want the truth out.
Also…
No one can fault Denise for polishing up her act a bit.
All new Housewives do this!
After watching themselves for a season or so, they learn what works a little better for these ensemble shows.
(Exception…my beloved Sonja!)
Denise has definitely seemed more guarded.
Maybe RHoBH is not the best for her.
I’d watch a solo show about her and her family…again! 💖
More guarded and a bit paranoid could be an influence from Aaron.
Where is the free spirit woman I anticipated her to be!
Remember he did threaten (and it was a threat) to crush her hand.
And they were mic’d, oops. That is not nice or kind. He said it. I think he is a buffoon.
There’s something off with him. Strange dead shark eyes.
Yes, Denise is not the same light-hearted, fun woman we saw last year. Not sure why. I predict the deflection back on Rinna next week is not going to go well for her.
While I don’t personally like all of the BH Housewives this season, I do think they all bring good characteristics to the show.
Sutton got a lot of comments last week about her figure. Did y’all notice her showing up to walk around Rome in ivory pants and the front of her shirt tucked in? She has a cute figure.
That’s not a bad theory. Although I don’t watch those sappy Hallmark movies. I wonder what Aaron makes from his business ? She may be the one bringing in money. I think Denise was smiling because she wasn’t expecting what was coming. The point is that no one cares except these witches. There is a story line but it will be re-hashed ad nauseum like the other stupid story lines.
Too true.
The website for his business (which seems to refer to him as Aaron Cameron unless I’m misreading it) describes a business that sells nothing but treats literally every complaint. The facility is in Malibu and his customers are celebrities (or at least Bravolebrities). I bet Yolanda alone gave him a fortune.
I’m still amazed that he had sex with Denise at his business while she was paying for “healing.” That has to be some sort of OSHA violation!
Denise proudly talked about having sex with him while being treated and made several advertisements about his penis. It implied that that’s a service he’s selling, which I very much doubt is true, but the implication wasn’t accidental. That would have been a more interesting storyline.
I’m pretty sure she clarified that in a later episode – that they had been dating for a bit and were out for dinner and, feeling frisky afterward, decided to go to his office to do the deed since it was closer than home. It did not happen during business hours or when she was there for a treatment.
He’d stress me out!!!! He’s not very warm and fuzzy.
I don’t believe a word of what comes out of Brandi “The Truth Cannon” Glanville’s lying mouth. She has admitted to making shit up in the past to punish that person or for more air time. I love Sutton for bringing her Southern Lady manners to the group. You can tell they are real because the look of distaste on her face says it all. Garcelle’s look on WWHL last night was perfection. She really is a stunningly, beautiful woman. And Sutton ain’t no mutton either. TT I got lost at the Trevi Fountain when I was seven years old back in 1964. The place was packed and I lost sight of my family group. Somehow, I managed to find, what my mother said was, the only English-speaking polizia in the crowd and I was quickly reunited. I also remember, when traveling in Europe back then, that they had what they called the American meal plan at the larger hotels that we stayed in. My mother always insisted that we stay in hotels where we had our own bathroom. Those were not as prevalent back then as they are now. Can you imagine traveling with six kids and not having your own bathrooms? Also connecting rooms. One for the two girls, one for the three older boys and one for my parents and much younger brother.
brandi is next to denise in the group photo taken in front of the roman fountain that begins this essay. does brandi appear on camera at all in rome? she didn’t appear on film on the airplanes flying to rome.
That’s Rinna.
oops! so it is. my bad!
That’s not Brandi, that’s Lisa Rinna.
I believe Denise, I think Brandi wants attention and I think everything she accused Denise of saying about the other ladies came straight out of Brandi’s head. None of it sounded like Denise speak. Brandi wants to return to RHOBH or get some other full time reality gig and she will say or do anything to get it.
Also why is some chick up thread plugging another website not once but twice! I thought that was a forbidden thing around here.
Did Brandi get “friendly” with Carlton G.? That wouldn’t be such a shocker.
As for Denise, people’s lives evolve while they’re on these shows, so she’s still getting comfortable with a new husband, her kids are growing up, she’s got these Hallmark gigs – and perhaps she regrets the image she portrayed early on. But you can’t make it disappear, so it will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
What a great show it would be without Erica, Teddi , Rinna and Kyle. Maybe we could get back to glamour and fun, not all this petty jr high school drama.
So if they are ok, outing a possible affair or marriage issues, why are Rinna, Kyle, Erica all excluded from getting roasted?
THe gang up things is mean and horrible to watch. There is a definite pattern on here, and LVP is no where to be found, These ladies are all moms, and if they cant have compassion on that level alone, to keep up this narrative of her hiding things and not being open in front of her kids is sad.
I dont care who Denise sleeps with, but I totally understand her wanting to deny doing anything with Brandi.
Who in their right mind would admit to that?
We need to see more of Garcelle and Sutton. It seems to me that the Cast members that have been on the show for a while find someone to pick on that’s new so that person won’t come back and their positions are more secure. garcelle is working on so many interesting projects why didn’t we get to see that? Teddy is so boring. I think this whole Brandy thing was set up by Bravo. I wonder if they told Brandy if things work out they would give her a spot on the show to get her to make up crap
Feck It – I’m going to watch this episode and add my tuppence worth.
So many comments about Denise lying at the dinner I have to see for myself.
I turn the channel when Dorit comes on, I don’t know what it is but I cannot stomach her.
I really like Sutton. She is authentic (appears to be) has class, and says what is happening fair and square. And she doesn’t always come in a costume. Her dress looked great at dinner. Very pretty on her.
Agree. We need more cast members like Sutton & get rid of Teddi. I do feel bad that her new baby has health issues but she is not a good fit on this show & never was. More monied successful intriguing woman like Sutton & much less Teddi , Erika Dorit etc.
Does anyone else find Teddy to literally be boring AF?? I mean literally watching her is painful. She’s also just really becoming a Narc.
And I used to really like Erika but she’s just not pleasant anymore
and also….in what world is brandi glanville credible. that should have been their first giveaway. no one wants her on the show and she needs some $$ so she came up with a lie to rev things up to get involved.
Nope just you
denise looked totally guilty. that smile was a nervous smile and that BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO says it all. she got caught. but nonetheless, teddi is unbearable
When the “new normal” comes into fruition and you can safely travel abroad the best trip to do in Rome is Vatican Night Tour – You’ll see many of the Eternal City’s most recognisable landmarks lit up after dark, from the Spanish Steps and Ara Pacis to the Castel Sant’Angelo.
Bonus – Less people, no vendors selling you crap/flowers, cheaper than the over priced daily tours and it is so much cooler in the evening.
Didn’t Denise mention at the beginning of the season that Charlie Sheen was taking her back to court? Anyone consider maybe this is why she is coming across more guarded and especially when it comes to her children? That would make a lot of sense.
Brandi would say literally anything to get back on tv, That woman dragged out a lawsuit for years over a lie. Why would she be exclaiming how much she wanted to be a “throuple” if she was so upset about what had happened with her and denise? I absolutely refuse to believe Kyle/Kim/Teddi didn’t have that conversation planned in advance. I don’t think Kyle could stand Denise being a fan favorite last season, and I’m liking her less and less with every episode. She really is a mean girl and without being able to hide behind LVP, it’s more and more evident.
Teddi is just completely unlikeable in every way. And Rinna is trash for not telling her “friend” what was being said, off camera, so Denise wasn’t blindsided.
Yes. She and Charlie were in a legal situation over custody and child support while Season 10 filming was going on. When anything is going on in those situations, EVERYTHING can be brought up by either party.
This! 100%
Totally agree with all you said. Teddi just needs to go. She loved bringing shit up to Denise. I thought Sutton would freak out but she handled things really well. Love Garcelle, she stuck up for Denise and is a good friend. Kyle and Rinna are just intolerable this season. I always thought Kyle and Rinna were snakes and they are proving it.
Doesn’t Denises tag line reference her having sex with a masseuse? I’ll always get a happy ending? What is happening with Denise that she needs to call out the executive producer during filming?
And threaten to call her lawyer.
I didn’t know teddy’s baby has issues..sad. I think she will eventually accept that she doesn’t fit in, no matter how hard she tries. It doesn’t matter who her father is. She will use her kid as an excuse to not return. 🤞
After watching this weeks episode and reviewing the above comments Brandi is still a big fat liar.
In regard to Denise – Mmm the jury is still out on that one there is a missing a piece of the puzzle for me and the threesome story line is looking more like a red herring/diversion, it is irrelevant whether it happened or not.
1. Bravo’s editing is not helping the situation.
2. Denise has shut down in Season 2 and Aaron appears more in Season 2. – No more talk about Happy endings, Big Penis etc maybe linked to her Hallmark image and/or Charlie Sheen but her comments were specifically about Aaron.
3. Aaron in Season 2 seems to be around more physically and vocally leading Denise by the hand ( which he threatened to crush ) plus Denise regrets going to the bathroom which led to the interaction with him and Erica. – ( my arse )
Denise and Aaron claimed they where being stalked by the paps – Sutton confirms there where no paps.
4. Sutton claims she was informed about Denise and Brandi months previously – Really?? – What social circle would Sutton have been in month’s previously to have heard that juicy gossip? – she was introduced to the group and viewers by pal Lisa Rinna.
The fact that Sutton’s ex- husband would not allow their children on RHOB left her story line being really only “couture,” good manners” and “place cards” did Bravo/Rinna feed her that line as the viewers would automatically accept it coming from such a refined good mannered Southern lady.
This is all window dressing – Denise was naive about her husband,- Aaron is angry and feels he needs to monitor Denise and it has feck all to do with a threesome plus thirsty Rinna wants to wear a crown and I am still missing a piece of the puzzle.
Last but not least – There is no Merlot to be bought anywhere in Europe – TT is correct wine is the new toilet roll.
So was Aaron wanting Denise on RHOB to promote his business and his miraculous cures for all ailments but Denise promoted his big penis instead and Brandi made sure he did at least get some sort of Happy Ending.
Brandi was a no- show at the Reunion which pissed Rinna off – I wonder why?
Because she wanted to slander Denise some more under the guise of having Denise “own it.” Which is laughable when Rinna freaked the fuck out when her marriage was mentioned and went as far as sending threatening text messages. Talk about double standards.
So true JustJenn – Double standards reminds me of how Rinna attempted to remove herself by claiming she learnt her lesson with the Munchausen syndrome but she is up to her neck in this story line no matter how she attempts to distance herself.
Ok kinda off topic from the comments here, but I for one am sick of Denise and especially Aaron showing up for everything looking unkempt and like country bumpkins. Aaron especially- he never looks even clean, and what he wore to Kyle’s party was atrocious. There’s a time and place for jeans and casual hair buns, but not every time and place. If Aaron is on the show to promote his business, I for one would never trust my health with him and his skeevie presence. Not that I think everyone should look as absurd as Dorit and her pearls, or Erica and her gorgeous but unwearable white outfit. Sorry to veer into “tacky comment” territory but especially Aaron is getting on my nerves with his sloppy appearance.
Totally agree. We watch BHs for the glam. Every woman in my neighborhood dresses better than Aron and Denise and that’s saying something. Aron gives me the creeps. Something is really wrong with him.
Finally caved and watched this. More travel porn please. Dorit looked fucking ridiculous. I’m just fed up with these bitches and the petty ridiculous storylines by Bravo. I was down to this one and RHONY. If you are too annoying to watch during a pandemic when I’m looking for escape television, it’s time to shut it all down. The entire HWs bunch can go kick rocks. I’m out.
#TeamDenise
I think its time for the housewives to break the 4th wall like teen mom did.
I think this cast is currently the best cast of all the housewife shows. Each woman is different, in a good way, they meld well together. Some are more likeable than others but none I hate to see come on my screen.
It seems like Brandi has felt totally dumped by Denise. It’s quite awful to go out and share a story like this one when apparently Denise is very scared of something.
It is wrong of Bravo to air this as well.
After so many times housewives in the franchise have been flirting with bisexuality, it is almost boring otherwise. But Teddi finds this shocking..?
I think Denise is a liar, and watching the dinner scene only made it more obvious. Whether or not Brandi is lying about anything, Denise reacted like a total liar.
I loved when Teddi caught Denise when Denise referred to “that” not happening – before Teddi even told her what “that” is.
I keep coming back to the old rumors about Denise sleeping with her former BFF Heather Locklear’s husband when he (Sambora) and Heather were still married. If that actually happened, then it cements that Denise is anything but an honest girl’s girl.
I think she’s all smoke and mirrors.
Hope y’all are doing ok in the heat.
Loved Garcelle telling her boys to get off their phones and the rocking chairs at Kyle’s and “go do something so I can cuss”.
Denise: We get it. You are “Denise Richards”, when you’re not June Cleaver (Nice one Erika).
Thanks Tamara for this brilliant place.