It is time for the last Below Deck recap of this shit show of a season. Let’s just get through this as quickly as possible. I’m with Captain Lee, I really don’t give a shit. Oh, FINALLY we are going to see the incident in the van where Kevin is begging production to pull the van over. Andy says there was a producer in the van who decided it was not safe to pull the van over in the middle of nowhere in Thailand.
Andy asks what Ashton’s reaction was to seeing the events that happened in the van. He said the first time he saw it was when the trailer was released. Up until then he didn’t know he hit the window of the van. I am not sure I believe that. The guys had to have talked about it at some point. Right? He says he immediately texted Kate and apologized. Kate also thinks he is full of shit. She asked him if his hand hurt the next day. He said, “Not really.” Bullshit.
Ashton’s Memory Comes And Goes…
Then, Ashton has full recollection of what he was thinking when Kate asked about his mother. Interesting. That is the only part of the van ride he remembers. They play his conversation with Captain Lee the next day where he doesn’t remember much of anything. Captain Lee says that is the problem he has with all four guys is that they would get blackout drunk all the time. Then they would get together in the morning and try to piece it all together. Captain Lee says Kevin was carried into his bunk five time that he knows about.
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Oh, no. A viewer asks Captain Lee if he still feels like never wants to work with Ashton again. Captain Lee qualifies it now by saying if Ashton is the same guy he worked with last year then no. What? Ashton better NEVER be back on that boat. Ashton says he has stopped drinking. I doubt that sticks. Ashton apologizes to Kate for trying to kissing her. He seems to be making excuses for the first night but not the second. Ashton tears up talking about it. But, it is a result of all of the crap he is getting from the public he feels sorry for HIMSELF.
A viewer asks Captain Lee if he wishes that Kate had told him about Ashton’s unwanted sexual advances immediately. He says, “Yes.” He says if he had been told, Ashton would have been terminated on the spot.
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Andy says that Ashton had mentioned that his mom had seen the show and she said she thought she had raised him better. He tenses up immediately when his mother is brought up. Ashton says she expressed her concerns to him and she is not happy with the way he behaved. He says that is why he is making changes to his behavior. Andy asked him when he stopped drinking. He said the beginning of January, which was about a month prior to filming. It seems Kate and Rhylee may know something as they both have strong physical responses to this claim. He said it was an easy decision. Kevin gives a half assed apology to Kate about kicking sand in her face.
Abbi Gives Her Perspective On Being A Female Deckhand
Andy asks Abbi and Simone (why those two?) if they felt the guys were “intensely against them.” Abbi says that while she was there, the guys respected her. She says she saw later on in the season things that she did not experience. She says she got along well with the guys. Simone says Brian was like a brother to her the whole trip and she and Kevin got along well as the season progressed. Her primary issues were with Tanner. Courtney and Kate both believe that the reason Abbi and Simone don’t feel as strongly about the situation is because they are less assertive and it is the more outspoken women who were the brunt of the misogyny.
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Kate says she doesn’t feel the guys individually are bad people, she thinks they are quite lovely? WTF is going on with her? She says they all seemed to encourage bad behavior in each other. Or something I don’t know what has gotten into her at this moment. She says it was peer pressure in a very stressful environment. This opens the door for Brian to make excuses for his behavior. Rhylee and Captain Lee and Courtney all disagree. AS DOES AMERICA.
Kevin Doesn’t Think The Guys Behavior Was That Bad
When Andy asks Captain Lee again if he was aware of what was going on he says no. Then Kevin, asks why he wasn’t aware. Captain Lee says he wasn’t on shore with them, he wasn’t around the crew mess with them. Captain Lee generally stays on the bridge or in his quarters, he chooses not to mingle with the subordinates. Then Kevin says he doesn’t think the behavior was that bad! Are you kidding me? Captain Lee is pissed. I am so ready for this to be over.
Captain Lee says that Ashton tainted the other deckhands against Rhylee before she even got to the boat. He doesn’t think he gave her a fair second chance. Ashton disagrees. Ashton says he could have done more to bring his team together.
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Then, he asks Captain Lee what he thinks about the problems with the fishing expedition. THAT WAS ALL FUCKING STORY LINE. The third deckhand does not have the responsibility or the authority or the knowledge of determining the fishing laws in Thailand. She did what she was told. Ultimately, that is most likely Captain Lee’s responsibility to know. Captain Lee’s answer is that he thinks Ashton has no remorse for his behavior this season whatsoever.
Captain Lee Storms Off The Stage, Housewives Style
Andy seems to be sticking up for the deckhands which is no surprise at all and he is asking why he never reprimands Kate. First, he asked about her throwing laundry. He says they were all drunk and he was the only sober one so there was no point to that. Plus, I might add they were on shore leave and not on charter. And the fucktards pissed her off while she was folding THEIR laundry. My head may be exploding and I should be used to Andy by now. Then he talks about the penis cake. I never got what the issue was with in the first place. They guests asked for a penis cake, Kevin made a penis cake. What difference did it make that the primary had gone to bed?
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Captain Lee says that he has worked with Kate for six years and she deserves his respect and they can take how every they like, he doesn’t give a shit. Then Andy asks Ashton about asking Kevin if he slapped Rhylee with his dick. Oh God. Ashton says he has seen a therapist about that… at this point Captain Lee can’t take anymore and does a housewife walkoff! He mutters. “I am done putting up with these fucking dickheads.” I am sick of recapping these fucking dickheads.
Captain Lee Returns To The Stage
Kevin feels like the guys are all apologizing but the girls haven’t. BECAUSE THEY ARE THE WRONGED PARTIES YOU FUCKING MORON! Now we are just repeating shit over and over. Ashton’s insincere apology tour. I can’t.
Captain Lee is back. He said the conversations were getting very negative and he didn’t want to be a part of it. Andy asked him if he will work with Rhylee again. His answer surprises me, he says, “Good question. Unless things change, probably not.” Wow.
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Andy asks the women if they have anything to grow from based on this experience. They all offer areas of growth. I really don’t give a shit about this. It is like asking a victim what they could have done not to be victimized. Simone talks about being a black stew. She says she tried not to be the angry black woman stew. Kate has moved to NYC. Andy asks if the group will go out together. Courtney says absolutely not. And that is where my recording blessedly ends.
I am not in a crappy mood and have two more recaps tonight. I’m counting on Captain Glenn to make me smile in the next one.
Just follow Leslie Jones on either twitter and IG she is live tweeting the reunion and she is reading the deckhands and Andy for filth. I’m disgusted by the season and I don’t blame Kate for leaving the show.
Leslie was amazing especially when she was yelling at Andy about giving Ashton a pass bc he wants to sleep with him. And then her yelling at Ashton for basically saying that Kate throwing pants on the floor is way worse than him attacking Kate or her getting sand kicked in her face.
Andy is really angry that his bff female friends are most successful than him. He drools over Kelly Ripa and was upset that he wasn’t chosen to cohost LIVE. His misogyny got worst after that.
This is the most F’d up mess I’ve ever watched in my life. Andy Cohen was ridiculous defending that misogynistic BS. Kate even pointed out that Ashton had still been doubling down prior to coming to the clubhouse for the reunion. Every apology any of the guys gave was followed with a “but” or a F’d up excuse. I could not believe when Andy started questioning Capt Lee regarding whether Kate ever does anything wrong!!??!! REALLY???? To even attempt to compare Kate tossing laundry on the floor to Ashton shoving his tongue down Kate’s throat, or Ashton having to be refrained from assaulting Kate… it’s so beyond messed up. Andy needs to go!!!!
“…I could not believe when Andy started questioning Capt Lee regarding whether Kate ever does anything wrong!!??!!…”
I think Andy suffers from the same affliction that we see with so many talk show hosts in the political arena: false equivalence in the name of “being fair”.
They could have a serial killer on one side, and somebody who has gotten a couple of speeding tickets on the other. These fucktards (like Andy) would say, “Well, to be fair, you’ve both broken the law..”.
That kind of bullshit has had disastrous effects on our country (because so many idiots buy into it) and though Andy isn’t nearly that important, I hope he gets called out on it. Loudly.
I agree with you. It’s not that this isn’t the norm for Andy. It’s like with your analogy of speeding tickets vs serial killers, there is no logical comparison between tossing laundry on the floor vs sexual and physical assault. Sexual assault includes unwanted touching and kissing. I’m sick of Andy and Bravo excusing and sugar coating bad behavior, and this season went so far beyond bad behavior. I’m reading lots of backlash, but really thought it would be more severe. I can’t get over Andy excusing the behavior and the BS lame excuses and justification by the bru crew….not that I really had respect for Andy, but this is detestable. TT & others commented that the new sailing show is not as bad as what we just saw from this season of Below Deck, but I just haven’t had any interest to watch after Below Deck. I only watched the reunion hoping the brus would be reemed, but Andy prevented them from getting what they deserved….for now. I believe in karma though.
No one said the sailing show was “not as bad as Below Deck” We said it is pretty good so far, On the most recent episode, a male who was flirty with a female told the wasted female who wanted to go to bed with him that she needed to go to bed and sober up, ever so politely and she went to her cabin and crashed and had no memory of it the next morning until she was filled in because eveyone heard the whole thing.
So yeah, similar circumstances are handled VERY differently so far.
Yes. I think you hit the nail on the head. Eric. Thank you!!!
OMG!!! TT please post Leslie Jones reactions to Andy!!!!!!! Love it!!!!
Check out her twitter feed. It’s awesome !
I loved watching her go off about Andy. She is who needs to be hosting reunions!
OMG, could you imagine! She would be screaming calling everyone out. She was funny and had me dying on Project Runway. They should do something with her.
This is the only Bravo show my husband will watch with me and we are both DONE! Andy was horrible. I’m happily reading Leslie’s twitter recap. Andy Cohen does not have the balls to have her on WWHL.
I too am done with Below Deck. I used to love the show but this season did me in.
Andy doesn’t even have the balls to look at Leslie’s twitter feed. Nor does he have the balls to get calls on his radio show that criticize him.
I saw that. Were those interns that called in acting like he did fine? That one last call was real and his response was something like, “I am sorry that I have disappointed you. I’ve done maybe 150 reunions so if 149 were good then whatever.” THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY TIMES HE HAS BEEN HORRIBLE AT THE REUNION!
Andy can fuck ALL THE WAY OFF. disgusting.
This was the worst. Forget the cast, Bravo better start apologizing to viewers or they won’t get us back. Horrified reactions to Andy and the d*khands who blame everyone but themselves when they are a mob of black out drunk gropers and ragers are universal. Memo to Producers: Stop the van and counsel cast members during abusive assaults. ‘It’s dark outside’ is not an excuse to let it continue. Andy asking if the cast minds getting assaulted is disgusting. Just more employer abuse by BraNo.
Horrified is the word. What is not being stated is the fact that Ashton’s oral “kissing” is not just disagreeable and disrespectful, it is medically dangerous. From tongue kissing and french kissing STDs are frequently transmitted, yet worse is we now know scientifically that from these STDs head and neck and oral cancer are being spread. This puts this activity into a whole new realm of evil and culpability. It disgusted me to hear Ashton retell his aggression towards Kate as a form of thwarted “affection”. . . as in his story of “the first time” he tried to “kiss” her he thought that they had shared a “moment”, etc. The vehemence Ashton feels towards Kate is unparalleled, so his thrusting his tongue into her mouth is nothing less than oral rape and a form of violence.
He can not combat her intelligence and he can not get her into bed, so he will show her what’s what by overpowering her very slight body. No wonder Captain Lee is outraged. Just to contemplate who and what Ashton typically kisses and has sex with, since he is frequently in a black out drunken state, chills me to the bone about what diseases he may be carrying. . .
The fact that Kate had to undergo this, plus have sand flung into her eye is entirely inconceivable to me. Walk off the boat? Yeah, at very least. It is a sheer testament to the utter class of the woman that she came back on the boat out of respect to Captain Lee and out of a sense of duty.
Further, we can see by Kate’s obvious conciliatory gestures at the reunion, that she has truly put this ugliness behind her and moved on. She clearly understands it would be only more harmful for her to retain more toxic feelings than she has already had to undergo physically.
How sad and unfortunate for everyone. Without her, this show will never be the same. She created the success and following for this franchise. However, as much as I will miss her, and I really will miss her a very great deal, she was a shining example of a strong accomplished female, I would be more upset had she not decided to go. Good luck, sweet beautiful Kate Chastain
Kate has Quit! Yikes!! Hope she takes Tinsley’s place on RHNY. Who could fill Kate’s shoes?
Kate on Real Housewives? Stop. She wouldn’t fit it.
Kate is actually a lot like Bethenny. Kate is not friends with any of the HW’s though.
Has Kate officially quit?
Yes she announced it after the show. She moved to NYC. I presume she already has some sort of employment in place. She has been there for a while.
I’m glad for her, but wow, that really knocks a hole in the show for me.
If she left because of how those bastards were allowed and encouraged to act by the Misogyny Channel, I hope the show fails.
I’ve just about reached the point of no return with Bravo. At this point, I’m down to RHONY and RHOBH, and I’m not even sure I want to bother with those either.
I saw Kate say that she was moving to New York when she left charter and she was afraid to do it but excited too, or something. I don’t know if it was the show itself or the after show. But I don’t think it had anything to do with the guys. I also heard her say early on if she is still a stew on a yacht in five years, that would be embarrassing, or terrible or something …she didn’t want to be a stew forever.
Based on her sucking up to Andy Cohen in her online announcement I have a feeling that she got some sort of corporate job with Bravo. I should as my Bravo source about that.
Oh no, not Bravo! Oh, I hope your source tells you she’s going to the Travel Channel or somewhere, anywhere but Bravo again.
My source is unaware of any job Kate has with Bravo.
In other news am I the only one that thought it strange that Kate said she was taking a new job hoping to be financially independent? Does she not make enough money to support herself as stew? She sure had self proclaimed expensive makeup and clothes… IDGI.
No “reply” button below your comment, Tamara re: Kate’s becoming “financially independent.” Her comment appeared to be a riff on Prince Harry and Meghan’s announcement of stepping back and becoming financially independent. It looked to be a jokey parallel.
You landed in the right place! Thanks for the explanation. It makes sense now.
No one can fill Kate’s shoes, but who would we like most as chief stew? I would like to see Amy. If not Amy, either Emily or Bugsy.
Jesus, for those douche bags being such assholes on season they sure are a bunch of fucking whiners now. I would be stunned but I actually expect nothing less from these little bitches. And Kevin has zero self awareness at all, none. Ashton at least tried to fake it with tears and acting like he messed up and is seeking help. Tanner is an over grown mamas boy who has no idea just how stupid he looks and Brian is a lost cause. They are fucking suck. Just watching Adam on sailing yacht shows you just how lame Kevin’s food really was. Hate to say it but Simone really annoyed me, she really did. Courtney was full on just like Rhylee and I was happy to see it. To have Capt Lee walk off says a lot about how he feels about this reason. I think Kate is just tyleying to find her zen place.
I remember in the first episodes I thought I would like Simone and dislike Courtney. Not too long after, I began to really like Courtney and not like Simone. By the end, I LOVED Courtney and LOATHED Simone.
Same here!
“I am really sorry you made me do that to you” is all I heard and 100000% the words of an abuser to their victim.
Each one of the apologies these little sh!ts gave was concluded with a ‘BUT’
Every. Fricking. One
And the side glances, elbow nudges. Ashton would apologize, follow it up with a ‘but what about’ question to negate his own behavior and then roll his eyes at Kevin when Kate or Lee or Riley shoved his weak justification back down his throat
At least tanner kept his mouth shut most the night.
My otherwise wonderful spouse had a bad habit of “I am sorry you perceive that perhaps something may have been misconstrued..” etc. Finally, one time I stopped him after the “I am sorry”. I said “do you mean it? If so, then that’s all I need. Thank you. ”
He got it.
Your dvr cut off on of the best parts with Courtney telling Andy not to even finish his sentence when he started to ask if Brian may have a chance with her. I thought she was going to be a stuck up princess when she started but she turned out to be one of the best ladies they’ve had on a bravo show
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Quietly assertive. No bullshit got by her.
Every one of those man children makes me physically ill, especially Andy Cohen! Captain Lee gets a pass, although I’m pissed that he said he wouldn’t hire Rhylee again. This used to be my favorites Bravo show but now even this show has been ruined. I’m hoping I can get into the sailing one, but so far only I can only remember Adam’s name.
My fucking DVR fudged this so reading the recap. Even worse behavior from the Neanderfucks and the gay wannabe Neanderfuck than I expected. The only mature man on that stage was Capt. Lee. I don’t know why the deckhands thought Abbie was so great. She complained and whined and didn’t know shit. Even Capt.Lee said Rylie is a good worker and Ashton turned the deckhands against her before she came aboard. The first night when she got into it with Kevin, HE was the one ordering for everyone, she only asked him to order something (either keto or paleo) that he should AS A CHEF know. Those things are likely to be on a preference sheet so he needs to keep up with the times.
Right up until she left to go back to her now husband, Ashton had or thought he had something going on with Abbie. He was stunned when she left and why she left. He was planning on getting some so it is my belief that she was treated very differently than someone Ashton knew would not be a conquest.
Bingo! You are 100% correct!
I concur. That’s when he had to start “working so hard to get my dick sucked.”
Andy Cohen has gotten progressively uglier, meaner and more hateful year after year. His stupid little show got to his head and his sheer hatred of women is palpable. He is nothing more than a lonely aging single man, desperate for love which he will never find because he has an ugly heart. This reunion spoke volumes on who he is as a person. I feel bad for his kid.
Ugly heart indeed ! Well said Gigi.
Agreed!
Ashton is one of the biggest boobs that I’ve ever seen and should not be responsible for managing people.
Watching these imbecels backtrack from their behavoir towards women is absolutely ludicrous. Each & everyone has an excuse forth thier unproffesional & unbecoming conduct towards their female colleagues. Unbelievable & shameful. These poor excuse for men turn my stomach.
Courtney and Simone looked really beautiful. I was happy to see Courtney hold Brian accountable for his actions when he tried to blame editing on how he came across.
Conversely I was disappointed in Simone for nodding her head and co-signing Kevin when he said Captain Lee should have known about the misogyny on the boat. WTF Simone, solidarity much? Aside from speaking of her experience as a woman of colour in yachting this reunion was not a good look for her.
Reruns aside, if I ever see Ashton on my TV again, I will boycott Bravo.
As of January and last week, Ashton decided to stop drinking and see a therapist. This is ONLY because he has read the backlash he received. He is not remorseful. He is crying because he is upset that we don’t believe his crap. Ashton lied about enjoying working with Abby. He was upset with her lack of work ethic. She couldn’t even get out of bed one morning.
Kate also lied because she pacified Simone during the reunion. Let’s all be honest people!
Best line from TT: “It is like asking a victim what they could have done not to be victimized.” These boys have zero remorse. The boys need to stop apologizing because we all see that they don’t understand what they are really apologizing for. They still make excuses. They haven’t owned the behavior.
We can all learn from Courtney how to have self worth and tell a boy no.
Kate’s behavior on the reunion where the guys were “lovely people” with bad behavior or whatever and her positive attitude toward Simone was because she has moved to NYC and is leaving the show to pursue other opportunities. She has to be diplomatic at this point while either applying for jobs or being watched by the employer she may already have.
What none of the Captain Lee favors her really get is that she HAS owned her shit with him in the past, but she takes it like a goddamn adult (said in Captain Lee’s voice). When not in the midst of a charter (reunions) she’s been self reflective but still proud of her skill set. She said that she shouldn’t have done what she did to Caroline at the end, but that she would NOT apologize for expecting them to do their job. I also think her willingness to say “oh, you have great attributes too” is also because it makes them appear even WORSE, since they NEVER do the same to her. It is all still SHE THREW MY CLOTHES ON THE FLOOR! SHE DIDN’T TRAIN ME (when she didn’t even know the basics. I will never ever get over that goddamn lime massacre.)
I loved Below Deck. But, that season was just gross. I’m not surprised Kate is leaving, I’m just sad it had to be on the heels of that season. I hope they bring her back as a fill-in at some point. Andy was not the right person to host that reunion. It needed someone accustomed to heavier topics. He just compounded the problem. No matter what you say about Kate, she can slap a smile on her face and move on when duty calls. I think that is what she was doing when she said, the brus were not “Individually” bad guys. She was moving on. My favorite show just left me with a slimy feeling. Way to go brus. Bring back Eddie, Connie & the cute gay deck hand from California (can’t think of his name). More laughter and less bru please.
Dave. YES. I would love to see those three. And Colin. We need a Below Deck All-stars season!
Simone drove me nuts. I can’t stand the way she talks. You can barely understand her.
Nobody cares that you thought you were better than you actually were. We saw that you sucked at minor things like cutting a lemon…..That makes you look stupid and not great at service! I didn’t think Kate was mean to her at all.
I think Courtney needs to get some sort of reality non asshole award.
She might be the most normal and smart girl on reality tv.
I really couldn’t stand Kevin either. Unbelievably insecure. Hated him every week.
Ashton is such an asshole!! He talks so proper and seems to think so fucking highly of himself. He’s beyond disgusting.
Brian is a complete IDIOT. He really kept thinking Courtney was just gonna smile and say yeah, let’s be friends. DUH
Yes, at least Tanner kept his mouth shut. So glad I don’t have to hear Jiminy Fricket any more.
I have no problem with Kate, she owns what she does…She doesn’t deny it.
Reilly IS a hot head. She is also a hard worker. I think if you get off on the right foot with her, she would be fine.
I LOVED so much when Capt Lee got up after Ashton said he went to therapy! Haaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Rhylee has something to say on everyone except Abby. OMG, STFU Ryhlee. Captain Lee walked off because he couldn’t defend always defending Kate. A good manager wouldn’t play favorites. Rhylee needs anger management. No one on this boat was likable this season
Before reading the recap I was already thinking “Wow what a sh^t show” :). Last night was painful to watch, thank god it was only 2 parts versus 3.
I am like some of your commenters- ready to say goodbye to Bravo. Below Deck and Top Chef are still in my viewing list. But now, Below Deck may be out. I have never seen a worse season on Below Deck or Below Deck Med. Even when fighting was bad, the crew were never so aggressive and hostile. I think each woman on the Below Deck crew cried at various times this season. SO BAD.
My theory about Kate quitting:
In the beginning, she was probably asked/hired on the basis of her bitchiness.
Subsequent seasons, she got sick of being the bad guy. And I assume social media has not been nice to her.
Who wants to keep up the charade of being the asshole? And I bet Andy-production encouraged the “brus” to hurt Kate.
Also, Courtney for the win. Dignified and classy when responding to Brian. Never gave an inch.
It pissed me off to see Andy’s glee at the whole mess. Shame on him. As my mom used to say “what you put out there will come back onto you 7 times 7”.
T knows that I’ve always loved Andy, and even when she didn’t, I LOVED Kate. I have from the beginning and never waivered.
Honestly, I shouldn’t be surprised in a guy (gay or not) in the midst of the situation not seeing his own bias and privilege… I love my dad to bits; he was the first to teach me not to put up with guys’ bullshit and just go for it, but he still has his moments of supporting the misogyny. (Said he would vote for Obama and Bill Clinton again if he could in 2016, but couldn’t stand Hillary. He did vote for her, FYI. He isn’t that bad. But I would continually point out that Obama hired her to be SECRETARY OF STATE. That so many of the policies he liked about Bill came from her collaboration with HER… so what was the difference. Oh… he gets so mad when I bring this up even now. “IT ISN’T BECAUSE SHE’S A WOMAN”. )
So I’m not MAD at Andy…. I’m vastly disappointed. It would almost be easier if I was mad – then I could go scorched earth. I don’t think I’m going to watch this one (my DVR also fucked up). I’m also sad that Kate is leaving, not that I blame her in the SLIGHTEST.
I might not even watch Vanderpump Tonight. I should be reading my bookclub book, but I think it is time for Tequila and catching up with Grace and Frankie. I haven’t watched the latest season b/c of the holidays and the OSCARS. That or the Kominsky Method. Probably Grace and Frankie because Jane and Lily.
I was so hoping that someone would tell Kevin he was full of shit and Production would do a montage of him having diarrhea to “oh … mister Dobson.”
I wonder if Andy ever writes up the cards with questions he wants to ask but blames others. “baddog1234 in San Jose, Calif. wants to know which bru has the biggest dick.” “Bigboner in Teaneck, New Jersey wants to know how many times the brus cornholed.”
Pleeeaaase tell me that Andy Cohen has had an epiphany and apologized for his shocking STUPIDITY!!!
Nope he has given a multitude of excuses though, the thing on his head hurt and he was on painkillers. There were women in the control room who he asked if he was hard enough on the misogynists and they said yes. He thought everyone had something to apologize for. He was trying to be fair to everyone. His excuses change by the hour.