By Our favorite Movie Critic, Erica
HAPPY OSCARS WEEKEND!
I have a little bit of BAFTA gossip and a few Oscars predictions and thoughts. So, for the uninitiated, the BAFTAS (British Academy of Film and Television Arts) are the British version of the Oscars. They also have TV awards like our Emmys, but I don’t care about that.
This week has been EXTREMELY busy, but I couldn’t have us enter the Oscars weekend without this little tidbit. The movie nerd part of my Twitter feed blew up during the Super Bowl (BAFTAS were also on Sunday in the UK). I haven’t even had a chance to watch all of the BAFTAS (I will probably do so just for Graham Norton, the host. I LOVE his talk show!)
BAFTAS SO WHITE
So, in BAFTAS gossip news, the BAFTAS had their own Oscars So White moment. When you look at the list of nominees, yup, pretty pale! Not that the Oscars are having the most diverse year, but at least the Academy is working on it. The old white dude demographic will also decrease as they start to kick the bucket. Not that I want Jack Nicholson dead. Until now, the BAFTAS have managed to avoid notice. But in the year of “Megxit”… dream on, Brits!
So, the two speeches brought to my attention were Joaquin Phoenix’s acceptance speech for Best Actor. He WENT THERE.
Key Parts Of His Speech:
“I feel very honored and privileged to be here tonight, and the BAFTAs have always been very supportive of my career, and I’m deeply appreciative. But I have to say that I also feel conflicted because so many of my favorite actors who are deserving don’t have the same privilege.”
He then said, among other things:
“I think that we send a very clear message to people of color that you’re not welcome here.”
He wrapped up his speech acknowledging he isn’t perfect in this regard:
“I have not done everything in my power to ensure that the sets I work on are inclusive. But I think that it’s more than just having sets that are multicultural. I think that we really have to do the hard work to truly understand systemic racism.”
The big BAFTAS Gossip is that he LEFT HIS BAFTA ON THE PODIUM. However, when I watch the clip it looks like he walked off without it, but just as the camera cuts away it looks like he was turning around to get it. So, it was probably unintentional.
Prince William Makes An Unprecedented Public Comment
Later in the evening, the President of the BAFTAS spoke. I think that is what he is. Anyway, it was His Royal Highness the Duke of Cambridge, Prince William (I think I have the title right.. .fuck it if I don’t. I’m American.)
PRINCE WILLIAM ACTUALLY ACKNOWLEDGED “BAFTAS SO WHITE” IS A PROBLEM.
Excuse me while I shout it out for those who aren’t Anglophiles. The ROYAL FAMILY NEVER GETS POLITICAL IF THEY CAN HELP IT. Especially those who know their asses will be sitting on the throne. THEY DIDN’T EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE THE PRESS BEING RACIST TO MEGAN AND THE BABY!
While Joaquin’s statements were more provocative, some in my Twitter feed lost more of their shit at Prince William’s speech.
Prince William Said:
“We find ourselves talking again about the need to do more to ensure diversity in the sector and the awards process. That simply cannot be right in this day and age.”
Later in his speech he said:
“I know that both Pippa [Harris], chair of BAFTA, and Amanda [Berry], BAFTA CEO, share that frustration and continue to work tirelessly to ensure that creative talent is discovered and supported. BAFTA takes this issue seriously and, following this year’s nominations, have launched a full and thorough review of the entire awards process to build on their existing work and ensure that opportunities are available to everyone.”
For the record, I’m not team “the immediate royals hate Megan because she’s biracial.” My opinions on the royal family dynamics are a WHOLE OTHER POST if this was Erica Tattles. In short, I think that the immediate Royals (Queen, Prince Philip, Charles, Camilla, William, Catherine) love Harry and Megan. I think that the recent broo haha has been more about the tabloid media, the “Royal Family Firm” obligations towards that media, their tradition of not saying a word (keeping the stiff upper lip) about the nasty rumors, and Harry and Megan finally reaching the breaking point.
Tamara Tattles Sneaks In Some Purple Pen
Erica forgive me for sneaking this in but I was Googling a few things based on this very interesting post and saw that Prince Harry was apparently upset about on of Rebel Wilson’s jokes. The source also said that the show was edited to make it appear he was unbothered. So of course I had to watch the jokes and they were hysterical. So I had to include them here.
I think the BAFTA comments are about as close as William can say publicly about the issue when he very well might want to scream “you fuckers, you cost me my brother at my side because my sister in law is biracial and you lost your racist minds over that.”
Oh, I guess Brad Pitt also said he was naming his award “Harry” because he was taking it back to the USA with him! OOOF! Slightly tacky, Brad… but you took your shirt off in Once Upon A Time In Hollywood and you are still hot, so I forgive you.
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It will be interesting to see if this hurts Joaquin Phoenix’s votes for Best Actor. We’ll probably never know, but the Oscar voting literally closed on Tuesday. I will also be interested to see if this emboldens anyone else to make a political speech. Oh, excuse me… emboldens any other white dudes. Women have been saying controversial shit in their speeches for a while. (See Patricia Arquette’s 2015 Oscar acceptance speech on wage equality. The Arquette women have no fucks left to give. I love them.)
I’m SO looking forward to the convo we always have on Oscar Sunday. Great news… the obligation I had on Oscar afternoon got MOVED so I get to watch it live with you all! (YAY!)
Erica’s Oscar Predictions On Best Picture
Of the Best Picture nominees, I’ve seen 1917, The Irishman, JoJo Rabbit, Little Women (2x!), Joker, and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Today I’m seeing ALL of the Shorts. I found a recliner theater that shows all of them at once in a 3 hour, 18 minute show thanks to the official Shorts website! This shortened season sucks though. Just had to finally give in and say I am not going to be able to see all the Best Picture nominees.
My prediction is that 1917 will win Best Picture. It is ABSOLUTELY worth seeing on the big screen. Beautifully shot. But I think it will win because it doesn’t have haters. My favorite film of the Best Picture Nominees that I’ve seen so far? Jojo Rabbit. I ADORE this film. The kids are fantastic. For the first time, I see why people appreciate Scarlett Johansen. I won’t be pissed if 1917 wins, but I will be screaming with joy if Jojo wins. I will probably try to see it in the theater one more time before it leaves.
A Surprisingly Good Film
I was absolutely surprised by how much I enjoyed Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. I usually avoid Quentin Tarantino movies because they are so violent. This one isn’t so much. Please, if you have seen it, don’t ruin the surprises in the comments. I went in knowing NOTHING except the setting, and I want others to enjoy it the same way.
Between now and the Oscars, I recommend trying to see Jojo or 1917. Oh yes, my fellow women, go see Little Women as well. Greta got ROBBED of a best Director nomination. Martin Scorese phoned in The Irishman. When people online try to say “but who would you leave out of these amazing directors?” that my answer. Martin. Fucking. Scorsese. Little Women was a better film, and was better directed than The Irishman. There. I said it.
And A Nominated Film You Can Skip
You can also give The Joker a miss, in my ever so humble opinion. Dark, dreary, and honestly? A depressing flat character.
I guess I see why he was nominated because he carried the entire film, but the SNL skit about it being white guy rage is also funny because it’s true.
Still working on what I am going to have for dinner Oscar Sunday as well. Want it to be somewhat healthy and easy. Maybe something in my Instapot!
What are your plans for Sunday? Will you watch are are you going to watch RHOA? Try to watch both? Skip it all and watch Netflix?
Don’t forget to check in with us here on the Annual Oscars post. We will start chatting about the red carpet looks and keep going until whenever it actually ends! See you there!
Oh shit… She started to say ANDREW. Honestly I bet that is more worrisome to William and his future reign as monarch. Those royals seem to be long lifers (the ones related to the Queen Mum anyway) Andrew is only 60… he is gonna be an albatross around King William’s neck for sure!
(They were in the Royal Albert Hall I think)
Andrew needs to be MORE than upset. Doubt he’ll ever see a jail but banished works for me.
What did Andrew do? I am not up to date on the royals except for Megan and Harry.
He was friends with Jeffrey Epstein. Not “out in a public place snapping photos” bullshit that people put on Twitter with the Clinton’s and other famous people, but in private partied with him. One of Epstein’s accusers said Andrew was there. Maybe even participating. (She wasn’t prepubescent so not talking pedophilia)
Andrew has been forced to step down from doing Royal engagements, etc. His mother cancelled the big 60th birthday party planned (there was one planned for him like they recently had for Prince Charles turning 75)
Supposedly he keeps refusing or postponing talking to the FBI.
This all came out I guess, when he gave some sort of interview in the UK, and discussed Epstein
OMG! This is horrible!
Was this a bigger deal than Megan being biracial in the British press? I would think I would have heard SOMETHING about Andrew as much Entertainment news and gossip that I flip through on a daily basis.
I can’t be sure, but while it did get some attention, Mexit got bigger press. Why I am firmly in the Royal Rota are Racists camp and why I don’t think their leaving had much to do with the immediate Royal family (except for maybe Andrew). I think the tension is because of how they did it (they had to announce early because they heard it was being leaked, etc.)
This has to be KILLING Andrew. I’ve always seen him as a bit “thirsty”. He did a lot of appearances, but I found his demanding a big royal wedding splash for his daughter similar to Harry and Meghan’s off putting. He was apparently pissed it wasn’t getting the same coverage, esp. over here.
Actually it’s far more serious, a young woman named Virginia Roberts has alleged that Epstein forced her to sleep with Prince Andrew when she was underage (17) She alleges that one evening she went to a nightclub with Epstein, Maxwell and Andrew, and afterwards she slept with Andrew at Ghislaine Maxwell’s London home. She even has a photograph of the two of them together in Maxwell’s home with Andrew’s arm casually slung around her waist. Andrew has stated he rarely takes personal photos and he believes it’s a fake but the victim said the FBI has looked at it and comfirmed it is real. (Who knows) The woman has given several interviews with Australian 60 minutes and she sure seems credible. Her name is Virginia Roberts. She was with Epstein for a really long time. Terrible story. Lots of stuff on youtube etc. A wormhole for sure!
“Queen Elizabeth is calling on Prince Andrew‘s two daughters to take on more royal duties following Megxit, the dramatic departure of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle from the royal family.”
Sounds like the royals are running out of royals. Or at least royals under 70.
Yes. Andrew was “in bed” with Epstein. He needs to be held accountable!
Slice o pie, Not sure whether Andrew did or did not sleep with Virginia or if so in what circumstances – but a girl of 17 is not underage in London, at least.
By her own admission she went to work for Epstein around age 16 at his estate in Florida – just down the road from Trump’s Mar a Lago, where she previously worked as a “towel girl” for guests at his pool. That is where she met Epstein. Her dad said he dropped her off for her first day of work at Epstein’s as a “masseuse”. I saw Trump saying he fell out with Epstein over him luring girls away from his own estate where I think they were more decoration than “hands on”.
I understand Epstein also involved girls who were definitely under the age of consent – eg around 14 etc.
It came out awhile ago that Epstein owned an island in the Virgin Islands where he ran a human trafficking ring. I can’t swear to it, but I believe I read it somewhere or saw it on tv that Andrew did frequently “visit” Epstein there. I also saw pictures (again don’t remember if in print or on tv) where Epstein and Maxwell were frequent visitors and hunted with Andrew on Royal grounds. They were definitely close. I don’t know how Andrew couldn’t have known what Epstein was up to, especially since he was a bit of a fuckboy back in the day. I feel awful for the Queen as it seems that Andrew and Harry were her favorites and she is old-I hope the stress of it all doesn’t take a toll on her health. I also wonder if Fergie had some knowledge and if they had some sort of arrangement because divorce aside, they seemed relatively close, like maybe he made sure she kept quiet. She got a lot of crap for her antics… who knows maybe his were worse? Looking at it retrospectively, it makes sense. I’m just speculating here. And I’m a stupid American. Sigh. Oh, and, allegedly. But I do know that Epstein had an American well known friend who is in hot water now whom I used to work for and I heard horror stories because I was working there as a minor at the time, like 13 or 14, in the US and that means it was the late 70s or early 80s. If shit was happening then, I can only imagine how much worse it got over so many years. (It was a legit company and I wasn’t working as a masseuse, model, or anything like that) It’s all just horrendous.
Adding my 2 cents: I believe that Jeffrey Epstein helped Fergie with some timely loans to pay off her massive debts, back in the day. She is not an innocent in this whole sordid mess.
The thing is Erica, FBI dont seem to have much other than anecdotal evidence against him, or they would enlist UK Police help. If FBI are at the stage of fact-finding about circumstances Andrew may have seen in Epstein’s home and can help them with, they really need to send officers over to London to interview him.
You would not expect someone to travel to another country to “help Police” try to build a case against themselves or others. I believe Andrew’s lawyers dispute the public announcement not by the FBI but by the Manhatten Attorney General that Andrew is “not cooperating”. A lot of people in UK believe this was a publicity stunt to look like something was being done with the case.
I never said they expected Andrew to fly over, but he has been unavailable to anyone for questioning. If the UK people think it is a publicity stunt, they need to wise up. The fact is, OUR own government, at least the Executive Branch, has a lot to gain by his remaining silent frankly.
Hi Erica, not it is not a joke. But Andrew’s lawyers were quoted in the media recently saying they were preparing a rebuttal to the Manhattan Attorney General’s announcement via the media. No rebuttal was made public. But I guess they were drawing attention to the fact FBI has no jurisdiction in London and will need to work through local police force to carry out any official questioning.
Scotland Yard did investigate Andrew’s involvement some years ago and did not pursue it, They could always open it up again, if FBI has extra evidence now that was not available before.
Clinton has been completely cleared on the flight he took by the women on that flight. They said he was always polite, funny and respectful, nothing else.
Plane full of celebrities flying I think to Australia, some place far, Epstein offered his plane to numerous celebrities that were attending the same charity event. Clinton and others were all respectful. Not saying every man on board was.
Plus this was 20+or- years ago.
Andrew hmm, pics w girl and she has said yes they had sex. No one said that about Clinton..
Are you on the crack pipe?
LOL Didn’t watch all of the BAFTA’s but did watch for Graham’s opening monologue!! I Love his talk show and watch it every week. Will be watching Sunday.
I just went back and edited in a bit of Graham Norton so we could all have a taste.
I just remembered that Rebel was IN Cats! So her mocking it is double funny.
Ha! I don’t spend much time in my car but when I do I either listen to conservative talk radio to eavesdrop on the enemy or more often recently, NPR. I think it was some conservative talk radio guy who one day was reading a variety of movie reviews for Cats and laugh his ass off. Did you actually see it?
It left so fast I didn’t get a chance! I have the Regal Unlimited so it wouldn’t have cost me anything. I hear it was a total shit show – that they were trying to do special effects editing THE MORNING OF THE PREMIERE! The hands reference by Graham Norton was because they didn’t get around to giving them paws in some scenes! I guess you could see Judy Dench’s wedding ring! Oh, but they digitally removed everyone’s junk. LOL!
TT, I don’t think Americans quite get a lot of the nuances. At the BAFTAS William and Kate were very gracious and showed their sense of humour as they sat in the front row and jokes were made about their family. Most were in good taste, eg Brad’s was right on the nail – Harry IS a trophy for Meghan. Rebel’s were not in good taste. There is no way William and Kate are responsible for the dumb behaviour (if the best light is put on it) of his uncle or Harry. For entertainers to come to London and make jokes about the Royal family with William in the front row is pretty childish. He is there to give the BAFTA participants a high profile in UK by his presence. That is why he was asked to be President. I guess a lot of those Hollywood flakes are used to slinging off about their President in their own country and could not see there is a difference in doing it in someone else’s home.
Most of UK and Commonwealth countries are way more upset over the Andrew allegations than about Meghan being biracial – which most people could not care less about – just her very arrogant behaviour that stepped well outslde of all the protocols the Royal family keep to – to avoid looking obviously “above” people in UK who are all conscious they are not nearly so wealthy. For instance, the Royal family and old aristocracy have something called “noblesse oblige”, which means they treat those working for them really well and retain their loyalty for sometimes a whole work life. They do not treat them as menial, dispensable workers.
Meghan did not treat anyone well who she saw as beneath her and was called out by Kate for abusing one of Kate’s own staff before her wedding. Meghan lost about 9 of her own staff while she was there – including a black woman who is evidently highly skilled and has a really stellar work history and who chosen by them to run Meghan and Harry’s Foundation. Meghan is now being accused of using the UK taxpayer-provided, highly skilled and highly paid special police officers in their large security team in Canada for running errands and other unskilled work (to their dissatisfaction) and word of that has got out. Yet they are doing nothing now for UK. Huge dissatisfaction about that. Canadians do not seem to want to pay for them either. USA?
I think the final straw for most people with Meghan was when she put out the announcement on Instagram that they were leaving – without waiting for the Palace team to work out an announcement that would smooth things over with dignity. Of course the family were aware Harry and Meghan were dissatisfied, but they had not presented a plan to the Queen and Charles for consideration, as they had been asked. The Instagram post was a dreadful shock to the 93 year old Queen, who was already coping with her 98 year old husband’s illness. Royals always put out well considered announcements via the Palace. Meghan and Harry had been given 10 days’ notice that a leak of their idea to leave had been received by the Sun – but they did not disclose that to the rest of the family or use the time to get a proper announcement made through the Palace.
Their shock announcement was also on the eve of Kate’s birthday – which Meghan would well have known – as Kate has for years spent that day having a quiet family day with her husband and kids – and that would have been ruined. Just another bit of Meghan’s spite, as people have come to expect.
One silly person on a talk show showed an old “gag” photo of a couple walking down the steps of a hospital with a chimp, with reference to Meghan. He was fired as people everywhere were horrified. It turned out he was just one very dumb person who had not really thought it through that Meghan is bi-racial. There are lots of people happily living in UK who are a lot darker than Meghan – who looks more Italian or Spanish anyway.
It was convenient for some people, especially in USA, to claim the press were all biased against her because of her race – but they had all started off with very glowing praise and almost adulation, till her behaviour started to grate with her total narcissism, and obvious manipulation of Harry – who seems very easily led and weak. Since walking out of the protection of the Royal family PR machine he has seemed a totally different person to the Harry people thought related well to others and was a really nice guy. He had talked about his dislike of the media – he had never got his head around the fact his mother was killed in an accident – driven by a drunk driver and without her seatbelt on. It could have happened to anyone – regardless of paparazzi.
Everyone also knew of his grief ( presumably shared by brother William) but Harry had not made a career of it. The stiff upper lip Meghan said UK people have – that she would not do – is very real. in UK and a lot of Commonwealth countries. People don’t generally bare their souls publicly. The members of the Royal Family are brought up never to complain about adversity. And Kate never complained when she went through years of ridicule from the press when she was going out with William. She never reacts to trolls saying she looks old for her age, etc. None of the RF will publicly complain about Harry or Meghan. In fact the Queen put out a message to the contrary saying how loved and valued they were – even as they walked away.
A couple of days ago Harry allowed himself to be led on stage in Miami by Meghan who introduced him at a conference of bankers run by JP Morgan – and though invited to talk about environmental issues, he stood there – a Royal Prince – and talked about how he is still badly affected by his mother’s death about 25 years ago and has been in mental health therapy for years. It came out first as for 3 years – then people started commenting it looked like from when he met Meghan – so the story was corrected to 7 years. But 7 years would include when he was flying helicopters for the army – so that seems unlikely or otherwise shocking. They also flew to the event in a private jet from Canada. So maybe Meghan will drag him around events to profit off his telling of his misfortune after his mother’s death – when so many others lose parents and have a much harder road in life from then on, with little or no support. Around the world there are so many people in horrific life circumstances, by comparison. They are also using and profiting off Harry’s position in the Royal family. Noone would pay to hear one of your reader’s personal tale of woe repeated. I do not think Diana would have approved of her memory being used to make money in this way either.
In the case of Andrew he has been tried and found guilty in the court of public opinion of having sex with teenagers when in his 40’s. ( How many men do this anyway??) Maybe this happened. He definitely did befriend Epstein, who was introducing him to other wealthy people who could help with his role at the time of acting as a sort of Ambassador for UK business and trade. Andrew invited Epstein to several events in UK as a guest, at the time because Epstein was the plus 1 of Ghislaine Maxwell, an old friend of Adrew’s, who is accused of being Epstein’s madam as well as his sometime girlfriend.
Andrew went to stay at Epstein’s home as a guest for several days AFTER Epstein had been in gaol the first time – nearly 20 years ago. While there Andrew was photographed, in a (to me) obviously posed photo, with a 17 year old girl who now says she was forced by Epstein to have sex with Andrew 3 times, as well as with other people she has not yet named. She has made repeated claims and evidently wants compensation, has appeared with tears streaming down her face. Who knows if she is acting? Who were the other men? Are they as wealthy and high profile?
Meanwhile Andrew made a very silly interview appearance on tv late last year to try to clear his name. It was just awful and he should never have done it. He seemed pompous and, despite the photo, tried to say he had never met her. He would obviously have been better to say that he could not remember her, which would have been more believable. Andrew is known to be not so bright and the most arrogant of all his siblings. But I cant get my head around him agreeing to a photo with a sex worker – if he knew she was one. I can see how he might well forget a girl who asked to have her photo with him. I simply do not know on this one – and I don’t think anyone does except Ghislaine and the woman in the photo as a 17 year old – Virginia Roberts. But in any case, the whole thing has been very sordid and shown he has terrible judgement in friends, at the very least, AND in how UK people would judge his appearance on tv, so it was most embarrassing for the Royal family and he was asked to retire from public life. I feel sorry for his two girls – who have stood by him loyally – as has his own mother.
Wow! Long comment.
Sorry!!
THIS!!!
This is everything I’ve heard from my British friends who are shocked that anyone is bringing up the race card with Megan.
They think she is a famewhore who culled Harry from the royal family for fame and money which is why the British press is treating her so badly.
Tick, tick until her plan starts unraveling.
She’s up against a 1500 year old monarchy. She may have won the battle but will lose the war.
As far as the Oscars, BRAD PITT BRAD PITT BRAD PITT BRAD PITT BRAD PITT BRAD PITT!!!
Thanks JoJoFFL! I have tried to put in a post with a video of Meghan attending a meeting (with many people of colour) of the Queen’s Commonwealth Trust. It is awaiting moderation as I know we are not allowed to post links to other sources – but I thought a video might be different.
It shows the sort of behaviour lots of people of many ethnic groups called Meghan out for. TT will allow it or not.
I can’t bring myself to read the whole thing. The fact that you are so dismissive of the monkey picture as a one off is a turn off for me. In this day and age, NO ONE SHOULD NOT KNOW THAT IS FUCKING RACIST. She may be light skinned, but her mother was at that wedding, wearing her locs proudly.
Buzzfeed published side by side articles of Kate vs. Meghan doing the EXACT SAME THINGS, like cradling the baby belly something every pregnant woman I know has done in crowds. With Kate it is described as loving, with MK, they brought in experts to analyze if it was a plot or some new aged thing. That was ONE example of at least 20 comparisons they came up with.
You thinking Harry is such a goddamn pussy is another red flag to me. Since well before he MET Meghan, he said his HAPPIEST time in his life, where he felt of use and free of the press was 10 specific weeks in his military service… IN AFGHANISTAN. IN A WAR ZONE. Clearly it is not Meghan that has made him hate the fucking press. Again, he would rather be in a goddamn war zone than dealing with the shit the press throws at him. (I don’t think he is bothered by the charity representation at all, and clearly loves his grandmother)
This is all about the Royal Rota.
But I’m not going to engage in this nonsensical racist arguments. Oh, we’re not racist we just think she’s a whore… when they probably think she’s a whore because that is what black women and biracial women have been targeted as. (It is a known fact that young black girls are regarded more sexually than their white counterparts in most colonizer countries.
Mackie, I agree with your comment. Glad you spoke up.
Erica, the monkey comparison was terrible and racist and hateful, and no one is disputing that. It was widely condemned. It is not representative of most people’s thoughts.
As for claiming the press treats Meghan terribly while treating Kate wonderfully: The press was mean and awful to Kate *for years* and she put it up with it and went on behaving exemplarily. It is only after *years* of awful stories that the press decided now they like her. The press loves to tear someone down, then build them up, then tear them down. So yeah, now they say nice things about Kate, but that is not having to do with race and them favoring the white woman over the biracial woman.
In the UK and the US, there are a few people who are racist, but most people are not. Most people wish each other well and do not want to fight about race.
“In the UK and the US, there are a few people who are racist…”
It would be great if you people could stop talking about race before my head explodes from the condescending comments from Mackie and the out right ignorant ones from others.
JUST STOP. This is supposed to be a comment section about awards shows. Not a place to swoop in and insult Americans, or black people, or to get your nose out of joint over a hilarious and very well written comedy performance by a lovely woman from New Zealand where everyone is well educated and white, just like some of you like your people. As for your royals, it seems they are doing a damn fine job of embarrassing themselves. Don’t blame the comedian for referencing their front page scandals especially since is was such a tangential reference.
Great comment Mackie. Good insight and I agreed with your thoughts.
I had read several articles about her treatment of staff. I wanted to learn if it was true. I found articles from the British press also. The royal staff are treated like distant family more than a servant, Megan did not understand.
I read people close to the group said Meghan was having a huge problem with Kate being so beloved. Meghan would never be her equal in public.
Personally, just my thoughts, I liked Meghan, however early on you could see she was not trying to fit in. The falling out between Kate and Meghan happened just before the brothers disagreement. Possibly it was part of the reason. When Meghan felt reprimanded or mistreated she was done.
She blew up the family and has spent very little time there since before Africa trip.
Think Meghan’s time in England was less than 7 days after their return from Christmas. Harry stayed longer but Meghan returned to Canada right away.
Not spending Christmas there said it all.
Meghan won’t return, what a brat.
Im curious how resentful Harry’s kids will be for missing out on so much.
Having William and Kate as Aunt and Uncle seems like it would had been fun.
Soon it will be Kate and Harry who??
Rebel is neither American or a Hollywood flake. She is a very well educated Australian with a law degree and I presume the same amount of Royal knowledge as someone from say… New Zealand and should never be compared to anyone from America where absolutely no one knows anything at all about the Royals.
As for William and Kate’s showing their sense of humor, as I said, their responses were edited with other responses through the night to avoid showing their lack of enjoyment of Rebel’s harmless jokes.
Yes, you are right. Rebel is clever, was being “clever” and I feel was rude to get a cheap laugh. She is well aware of the cultural circumstances in UK as against USA and Australia and was playing to the gallery. It was a joke about the problems the Royal family are trying to keep on top of at the moment. She knew William and Kate never complain (not Royal culture to EVER complain) and she also knows what it feels like to be ridiculed personally, as she was ridiculed for years over her weight. Getting her laugh was more important to her than being sensitive to William and Kate in the front row – especially as Andrew and Harry are not personally controlled by them.
Rebel is also, as you say, well aware that there are huge and surprising cultural differences between social norms in UK and USA. Most people do not realise how multicultural UK, Australia and New Zealand are. There are also surprising cultural differences between, say, Australia and New Zealand which do not become obvious until you have had extensive experience in the two countries and/or intermarry.
Sorry, so took it for granted people knew Rebel is Australian and well educated that I did not include that originally. But many of the stars of the night were Hollywood and those were the people I felt she was impressing on the BAFTAs night.
She jokingly talked about not knowing the name of the Hall, and evoked Harry and Andrew. If she hadn’t mentioned Andrew and instead had started to say Harry OR William, I don’t think it would have been an issue.
If you think the vagina jokes were offensive… um, this IS the land that produced such comics as Benny Hill, right? The Brits might be the frozen faithful in their church services, but they got rid of the prudes when the Puritans came over here. I doubt those jokes really offended William and Kate. Fuck, I REALLY doubt that Charles and Camilla were offended if they were watching – they were really good friends with Joan Rivers for fucks sake!
Erica, I agree completely. It was the Andrew mention that was really off. William and Kate were teenagers back when Andrew may or may not have been sleeping with Epstein’s teenagers and there is nothing they can do about it. Making a joke like that about their family was off. I agree the Harry jokes were fine and dont care about the rest at all.
Mackie40. Starting off a novella saying “Americans don’t quite get” really isn’t earning you the right for a to read your opinions/hearsay. Do you know Meghan personally? I think not.
Of course it doesnt – but the cultural differences are very real and are there if you have lived in a few countries for comparison. Sorry what I wrote was too long!
Mermaid, I hear you re hearsay. There are masses of references, but TT does not generally let us post links . Thats how you will see people post things as facts, pro or vs topics, without any back up information.
I have now tried to post a video showing how Meghan operated at a meeting of the Queen’s Commonwealth Trust – it has lots of bits of the sort of behaviour that put people off Meghan over time. Pushing ahead of Harry, the actual President of the Trust, (she was made Vice President becasue she is married to him). Butting in when they are being welcomed at the beginning and the meeting agenda is being introduced,. Talking about Harry and what he thinks right in front of him and not giving him a chance to speak. (He looks confused.).Wearing a leather skirt when she is a strict vegan and vocal against animal exploitation (people call this hypocritical). Lots of little things like this appeared to add up to the end slide in popularity., whereas at the beginning people were so hopeful and raved about how beautiful she was and how they hoped she and Harry would succeed.
It is possible TT will allow a video where she will not allow a link to a print resource or website. It is with moderation at the moment. If it does not arrive we will know videos are not OK either.
A few more facts from my British gran:
The racism Megan, Archie and Harry experienced was proven not only by statements within the extended royal family but also in highly bigoted articles since they began dating in 2016 including rants by Piers Morgan, Katie Hopkins and Boris Johnson in the Daily Mail. Harry sued the paper and the Queen wrote an open letter begging media to stop tormenting Harry’s family.
Harry’s mental health philanthropy began with his own therapy in 2007 as he detailed in his recent speech in Miami. Prince William has stated he’s tried his hardest to help Harry since his mother’s death, but can’t do it alone. To keep blaming Megan for dragging Harry away from the royal family is not factual. Prince Harry stated privately and publicly he wished to step back since 2006. All agreed his young age exposure to difficulties between his mother, father, Charles mistress, royals, and press have impacted him greatly. Harry’s desire to protect his family and support themselves seems appropriate given the Brits desire pare monarchy roles, costs and funding.
Finally, a recent FBI press conference blames Prince Andrew for non-cooperation in the numerous Epstein investigations, failure to answer questions or tell where Ghislaine Maxwell is hiding though he speaks with her frequently so trafficking will stop and victims receive justice. ‘Randy’ Andrew described ‘loyalty to his friends’ as his overarching duty in his horrifying tv interview, not duty to the Queen, commonwealth or ethics. No surprise, loyalty to friends over monarchy, allies, and law make him unfit to lead.
Brits cheered Ricky Gervais hosting gig at the Golden Globes which was highly political and derogatory to all awardees and in attendance. Sadly, the chase for ratings, ruthless media, and govt officials penchant for ‘shooting from the hip’ (US President and UK’s PM’s included) may have forever lowered any standard for decorum.
Thank you!
OK friends, to get this back on the Awards track… my apologies if you went to see the shorts on my recommendations. Saw the Live Actions (which were good, but a number were sad) and the Animated today. Except for Hair Love which I LOVED.. the animated shorts were fucking WEIRD this year. I think my friend and I looked at each other half way through and said out loud, WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?
Sometimes the Shorts show up on YouTube or other streaming services. Fun fact, first year I saw the Animated Shorts was the 2016 nominees. I loved the winner so much I bought it (Piper, by Pixar. 6 minutes)
I loved the Live Action The Neighbors’ Window so much. A full movie in 20 minutes, I swear.
It seems to be completely lost on Mackie that the title of the video I posted was entitled “Rebel Wilson steals the show with HILARIOUS unexpected BAFTA 2020 speech – BBC” Those last three letters refer to something Americans miss the nuances of… it’s called the British Broadcast Company. That is a network in England. The people who live in England are referred to as British. And they have TV networks, ya’ll. This video was watched over 3.5 million times and some of them might be British people who understand the nuances that go straight over out heads.
A WHOLE SHIT TON of people commented and not a bad comment in the bunch. That is unheard of. Surely they were all Americans who didn’t get the horrilble nuances.
Then there was this video from the 2016 BAFTAS. Again, everyone loved Rebel Wilson. And there were British people on there who said it was great. But when people started talking about her hosting the Golden Globes, the British people said, WAIT FOR IT! That AMERICANS would not laugh at these jokes because WAIT FOR IT… they would not get them. I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP.
Apparently, this is a thing in England and the Commonwealth countries, So Basically, the reason we have been bombared with hatred for Megan and very little disdain for Andrew is Anti-American sentiments and a tolerance for racism if it is a one off thing here and there in a national pubication about their beloved royals who must not be joked about. Suddenly it is all clear in a very sad sort of way.
The second one below was posted by The Guardian which, if you are an un-nuanced American is a British Newspaper sure none of those commenters could be Americans. We’ve never heard of The Guardian. Who knew that foreign press even existed? We simply must get more nuanced, ya’ll!
Besure to check out the comments here.And also in the BBC video embededi in the post. I’ve already forgotton what BBC stands for. I do know a Monty Python joke about the Queen of England though, and in that joke it stood for Big Black Cock. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNe8Gs1V6Lw
Oh and one more thing, if less than one half percent of the population of the country you live in is black, you are probably not really familiar with racism or aware of your own bigoted views and should probably not try to be an authority on racism in England or America. Or hold yourself out as an expert on Americans and their ability to understand the nuances of other cultures just because you have been to Los Angeles to visit Disneyland and take the movie studio tours and perhaps watch a filming of The Price Is Right.
That is all. I think. For now.
I am closing comments on this post. If this political bullshit and denial of racism continues you will be banned. I have already posted a warning on the Oscar watch party comment section. YOU WILL NOT FUCKING UP ANY MORE FUN POSTS WITH IDIOCY.