Because I don’t think you can.
Suck it the fuck up Meghan! I mean I want to talk about this, but I am not sure what to say here. Don’t they like Africa or somewhere? Am I remembering this wrong? Why not just say they are going to help the people of somewhere? I find the whole “leave us alone” aspect of this very disingenuous.
Say something like we want to take the spotlight off us and we plan to focus on saving the owl population. OR SOMETHING. But fuck it we are moving to Canada hope you all die seems kind of harsh, noe? You DO NOT GET TO DISRESPECT THE QUEEN THIS WAY!
Preach it TT!!! Educate!!!
Just thowing this out there…
Maybe Harry is not Charles’ son. And if Archie needed dna or blood testing for any reason, all would be revealed anyway.
There is a conspiracy that Archie was actually birthed by a surrogate.
But the James hewett is Harry’s father was debunked agos ago, Hewett didn’t know Diana until after Harry was born.
Good effort to debunk by the Firm, but according to some sources, Diana & James Hewitt actually did meet in prior to Harry’s conception. Hewitt also did make that curious statement about the “best thing” he could do for Harry, if indeed he was his son. . . .
That rumor is about as true as Jennifer Aniston still secretly pining over Brad Pitt.Ridiculous. I realize this is a gossip site but it’s a hurtful nasty rumor. Can you imagine loosing your mother and people then claiming that about your father as well? Red hair runs through Diana’s family as well as the royal family. Look at Harry’s cousin for God’s sake! Diana’s brother’s son looks EXACTLY like Harry. He was at their wedding.
I love you sweetie, but he looks exactly like the guy who people say is his father. EXACTLY. And nothing like Charles.
Possibly the Earl of Pembroke. Doesn’t matter. His mother was married to Prince Charles at the time so Charles is the legal “legitimate” father and raised him as such.
Not that I am suggesting Charles is not Harry’s biological father, but if a DNA test proved Charles was not his biological father, Harry would immediately lose any place in the succession to the throne. The British throne is handed down through blood, not who brought you up.
That’s more “Game of Thrones”. If your mother was married her husband is your father and you are in the line of succession. Adopted or children born out of wedlock at the time of birth( even if your parents marry later) are disqualifiec.
Marriage over blood. If your mother is married at the time of your birth that man is your “legitimate” father which will entitle you to his title and if you’re royal, part of the line of succession. Adopted or children born out of wedlock are disqualified (even if your parents marry later on).
Sorry Jackson. That is not right. In a royal family, blood is paramount. However, I am not suggesting in any way that Harry is not Charles’s son.
It is never marriage over blood in accession to a royal family throne. It is strictly blood.
Marriage is paramount. William or Harry could each have 15 kids with other women and those kids would NOT be eligible for titles or be in the line of succession if those children were BORN OUT OF WEDLOCK! However Harry being born to Diana while she was married to Charles makes Charles his regardless if Diana was outsourcing with other men. It’s marriage over DNA.
No Jackson, in the case of a royal family, you are wrong.
I’m not wrong. Especially in the Royal and in aristocratic families. Out of wedlock children are not eligible to inherit titles or be in the line of succession. IF YOUR MOTHER IS MARRIED AT THE TIME OF YOUR BIRTH, HER HUSBAND IS YOUR FATHER!!! The rules were put in place long before paternity or DNA test were invented. Harry is considered the son of Charles because Charles was married to Diana at the time of his birth. The law/the rules don’t take into account any sex partners Diana or anyone’s wife had at the time. I didn’t make the rules, it’s just the way it is.
I am sorry Jackson we are not going to agree on this one. But I never said Charles was not Harry’s biological father. Also, Harry is now way down the succession line so it does not matter anyway.
It’s not about agreeing, it’s just a fact not an opinion. Queen Victoria succeeded her uncle, King William Roman Numeral Four even though he about 10+ children with Dorothea Jordan that were alive at the time of Victoria’s succession. However, the children were BORN OUT OF WEDLOCK and not eligible to inherit the throne. The children King William had with his wife predeceased him as did his siblings and their legitimate children except Victoria, which is why she ascended to the throne at age 18 in 1837 when her uncle King William died. Having parents who are married at the time of your birth is required to be in the line of succession and/or inheriting your father’s or highest ranking relative’s title. It is still marriage over blood to this day. Christopher Guest inherited his father’s title over his older brother Anthony Baden-Guest because Anthony was born before has parents marriage. Even after has parents married he was ineligible because he was considered illegitimate at the time of his birth and not eligible for the title BECAUSE HIS PARENTS WERE NOT MARRIED AT THE TIME OF HIS BIRTH. Christopher Guest’s adopted children are also ineligible for obvious reasons and the title will go to his younger brother.
Jackson, as I said, we are not in agreement on this. Can I put it another way – if it were found that Harry was not Charles’s biological son I am certain it would make a huge difference. But I have not said at any stage I think that will happen.
One thing I am certain of – there is no point your trying to convince me on this any further. Perhaps just be happy you believe what you believe.
It’s not a belief thing. It’s a fact thing. I don’t think you understand what I’m saying. I don’t agree with the rules I just explain them. You can look them up your self. Lady Colin Campbell writes about the royal family a lot, including a controversial book about Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother. That book in particular deals with marriage, legitimate children versus children born out of wedlock and the length s aristocratic and royal couples will go to produce “legitimate” children. Don’t take my word for it. Look it up.
No way. I saw the first pictures when the day after or whatever. As someone who had a baby this year Meghan is exactly what a recently pregnant woman with a day old baby would look like. You still look knocked up but deflated and minus 8 lbs
As an Australian & member of The Commomwealth – but by preference a Republican – I agree with your sentiment, but will add that Meghan has to understand that Royalty is NOT celebrity. Celebrities receive their privilege from their accomplishments- real or perceived. She was a moderately successful actress on a moderately successful cable shoe – she’s no Meryl Streep! Royalty is a leftover from a medieval land owning past & the bar again – Faustian or not – is that you shut up, do your duty in supporting the British public and your sovereign.
The Royal family do come under intense press scrutiny- however their very privileged life, despite its constraints, comes at the cost of the British taxpayers. I don’t think you can be “a little bit Royal”. You are either in or you are out – and what irks me is that they want their freedom to do it their way, but both the British & Canadian taxpayers will foot the considerable bill for their security.
Considering the widespread poverty in the UK, reflective of the more rigid class structure and the political & economic instability resultant of the problematic Brexit, I feel they are monumentally selfish in their timing.
Furthermore their arrogant woke lecturing of the public, her hollow championing of the feminist cause, reminds me of Ricky Gervase’s warning to Hollywood to accept your award, say thanks to your team & your god and piss off. I won’t be lectured by over privileged brats with a monumental carbon footprint who have just rented a luxury holiday home from a Russian Arms dealer – thanks a David Foster,
As an Australian you might have noticed even when Meghan and Harry sent a message of condolence for your devastating fires it was all about them – ranting on about how they were trying to save the Amazon rainforest, etc.
Total narcissists. Her sister Samantha turns out to have been telling the truth about her, using and discarding people, and I am so sorry for her sick old dad.
She must be a shining role model for people like our old friend Ashley Jacobs.
Probably a joke account, but a Bravo Andy offered her a role on RHOBH.
Yes, very self serv8ng! On the other hand very impressed & also embarrassed by Bethenny Frankel contribution – impressed by her thoughtful efficiency & embarassed our stupid government has been to busy dithering, obsfucating & visiting a Hawaii to take timely decisive action.
LOL – I’m sure she’d love to be the queen of RHOBH!! She’s have to have more swans & ponies than LVP.
I think the sister is a self serving nutter, but that doesn’t mean she is wrong.
I could never understand why they didn’t send a team to Mexico to help prepare her dad for the wedding, especially after the problems his mother – who was British landed gentry not a foreigner from a completely different culture – had. Mind you this isn’t the first American princess to struggle – Grace Kelly too found her role in Monaco constricting.
Eloquently said, thanks.
As a born Anglophile, this behavior is mortifying. As an American, it’s a black eye on us.
One can be royal, low key, and humble.
I had wondered about what you just stated….only being royal to a degree that suited them. It sounds like they are saying they want some of the privileges that come with being royal, but not all the responsibility, and they want to be able to make as much money and in any way they want without constraints.
MelG, I imagine most every one in the world is fine with them earning their own money, something they are not allowed to do while also on the government teat. The outrage is they want to profit off of their titles. Royals profiting from their name is strictly forbidden. Harry and Meghan have trademarked “Sussex Royal”, established their own website, and hired PR and Marketing firms in LA. They go too far.
I think they should be in or out…not in just enough to profit off of a title or get their 95% from Charles.
I absolutely agree with you that the british royalty is a leftover from antiquated times. It has no purpose and it is ridiculous the amount of money tax payers have to spend on their lavish lifestyles, weddings, palaces and estates, etc. Kudos to them if they want to step back, but they shouldn’t be allowed to still get a piece of the pie. You want out, get out on your own. Their lifestyles shouldn’t continue to be supported by the tax payers.
I just read up on the other comments & I clearly don’t follow any news on the royals and had no idea that she was treated so badly and there was so much racist hatred towards her. That is sad and again kudos to them for getting out. I stand by, however, that if they are getting out of this ridiculous antiquated institution, they shouldn’t continue to profit off the tax payers’ purse. Good on them for walking away from such hateful shit, but they shouldn’t receive any pay for being part-time or quarter-time royals. I say again that the monarchy should be abolished. It’s just dumb.
Here here and hear hear!
I really don’t think it is dumb or that it should be abolished. It acts as a stabilising, non-political influence for carrying out community goodwill visits, awards, etc, – not just for UK but also maintaining and facilitating the friendships of about 52 countries in the Commonwealth. The work of the Queen and senior royals is a big influence for world peace. It looks out of date, but to me that is part of its charm. And I don’t know, but I have read that it helps bring a lot of tourist money into UK to see their buildings and ceremonials. I dpnt think it costs the UK population much on a per head basis per year.
If not for the Royal Family, UK would probably have to move to having a political President like USA, and all the costs of maintaining that. Then if the Royals just went and lived on their estates as private individuals then those at top of succession tree would still be extremely wealthy because of all the land they own – but they would be by no means the wealthiest family in UK.
Best comment ever
Bravo Rufus! ??????
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Did you miss the part where they said they’re going to work towards becoming financially independent? They don’t want to be owned by the taxpayers anymore. Especially when the taxpayers seem to have such a low opinion of them. It’s quite annoying that they’re criticized for being leeches of the public purse and then criticized for finding work to pay their own way. The fact is that they can’t win, no matter what they do. You can’t be mad at them for trying to be less of a drain on the country while complaining about poverty.
Before making the announcement Harry had already asked Disney executive if they had voice-over work for Meghan (there is a video of this at the Lion King premier) and she recorded a voice-over for Disney before even going over to Canada on holiday. BUT they still want the public money and family money to continue, plus taxpayer paid security.
Jen, when do you think the changeover date might be to them being financially independent?
How do you think they will make much money without sponging of the royal family name and reputation – ie royal family IP?
Why do you think a meeting is going ahead Monday to work something out about how much money they will get and which government will pay for their security officers? In return I imagine they will be asked not to obviously monetise their connection to the royal family.
I feel if the royal family were not so worried about Harry’s mental fragility, they would not be bending over backwards to try to support him financially as he walks away. He has said very recently he feels sick with nerves every time he goes out to make an appearance at an event. He would most likely not be straining things with his family (he was always close to) if he were mentally well at the moment.
Thank you, rufustheragdoll, best commentary on this entire issue that I have seen in the past week! So well stated, and so true.
thank you, best comment all week.
Disingenuous is right! They were in love with Africa till Meghan noticed it was full of poor people with genuine problems. Right now they are on the bludge again, sponging off yet another rich acquaintance as they make use of his property in Canada to loll about in.
They acted like spoiled kids once Meghan saw she could not wrench the lead role from Kate – who she seems very jealous of. They made their announcement on the evening before Kate’s birthday and without notice to the Queen. Just wreckers.
Their own new website arrogantly states they are walking away from the work but want to keep their titles, the lovely house the Queen renovated for them to live in and 95% of their pay, ie the millions p. a. from Charles’s Duchy that is supposed to be for his children and himself to be chief supporters of the Queen. They also intend to make money off their connection to the royal family – calling that financial independence. They will keep a 6 policemen security detail UK taxpayers pay for.
Really disgraceful! Try taking the offer of no work for 95% pay + company house and use of company IP for your own gain to your employers!!
THIS!!!!
Well said!
Agree with every word. Well said Mackie!!
Wasn’t this more about the racism Megan experienced? Dangerous decision to have someone chose between you and their family- rarely ends well.
Britain is very multicultural- a large proportion of the population has West Indian heritage, & my relatives & family friends of that heritage believe that whilst as in all nations their are racist elements, this is an excuse. The Duchesss of Cambridge has also copped a lot of criticism, sadly it goes with the public profile & most of the criticism has been about Meghan’s behaviour rather than her race or background. Her treatment of staff has been appalling – Royal retainers are not celebrity assistants to be paid peanuts & slave for reflected glory.
It does seem she has challenged things at every turn, as though she was saying to hell with what the monarchy expects. Her clothing has strayed from what royals typically wear, she was adamant she would not follow what Kate and Diana had done when Archie was born, they snubbed the Queen this past Christmas, etc. Multiple articles early on stated how Meghan felt she was the new Diana so you speak. Diana did ruffle feathers, but she was admired by the people. What Meghan and Harry have done is beyond disrespectful.
I couldn’t agree more… I thought all those stories about them not getting along were not true but I was wrong. She doesn’t speak to her family except her mother & that speaks volumes of someone’s character. When your not getting along with a multitude of people maybe your the problem?
How many “multicultural” people do we see in The Crown series? Or playing polo, or chasing foxes, or swanning around to each others’ country homes? The class system is alive and well in England, and they do not like diversity in their royal family. There have been really disgusting comments/photos likening Archie to a monkey.
Nonsense! That was a made up excuse she and her supporters use.
She was welcomed, the Queen even invited her and her mum to have Christmas with her family before she was married to Harry. Unprecedented!
Charles walked her down the aisle when her dad was too sick to go.
The Queen took her for a special tour with her on the royal train. Kate got none of those privileges.
I never saw any racial put downs. People fell for her and thought she was wonderful, then soon noticed how attention-seeking she was and inconsiderate of others. Harry was gradually alienated from his brother and wider family and looked miserable. He is clearly bossed about and she holds his hand and pulls him along like a dog on shirt leash in public.
Like Diana did years ago, they complained about the press but continued to do attention-seeking stuff that ensured the press would take notice. Now she just wants to be a celebrity with royal title and pay but no work.
The British public indeed welcomed Meghan, and then the cracks started to show. She appeared to not give a fig about precedent and protocol and did her damdest to rally against it.
She thought the press would love her whatever she did, and when they didnt, she pitched a fit!
If you are able to check closely, I think you might find the queen’s invitation to Meghan’s mother for Christmas, which was politely turned down in 2018 was a total figment of Meghan’s PR team. It would have been an extreme precedent as an invitation, & never in a million years refused. In all due respect to heart-felt Republicans, the British monarchy is not only the glue that holds Britain together politically & culturally, but it brings in a tidy sum way above the cost in the way of tourism dollars each & every year. Ideals aside, check the financials. Finally, note that the meant-to-be subtle money-grubbing ways of the newest royal is grounded in history. Check on how another American divorcee-married-into-royalty lived off the fat of the land. Wallis Simpson, while married to the Duke of Windsor after he was forced to abdicate (no, he didn’t give up his throne for love; he was forced out of England forever politically), was also a money-grubber, who had rich Americans subsidize her lifestyle wherever/whenever she could, though it was on a smaller scale than the dreams of our Meg. Wallis took small sums of cash & flowers wherever she appeared with the Duke, & jewelry. (BTW, my old high school boyfriend was her hairdresser late in her life. True story, though not the source of my info, which was a biography.)
Obsessed with Wallis Simpson & her husband the Duke of Windsor who shares a birthday June 23 rd with myself & twin sister. Please regale us with tales of yore. Read every book about Wallis ; my personal favorite THE LAST OF THE DUTCHESS by Lady Caroline Blackwood ( Lucian Freud’s first wife & a Guinness heiress & author herself )
So you hate Megan for the stories you have made up abour her and Harry. Got it.
Much of it was about racism she was experiencing.
And continues to be. Love that everyone believes this is all her doing, Harry has a mind of his own and has always been a bit of a rebel.
Specific instances of racism, please. This is an american media thing. She was welcomed with open arms, in a big way. Then she started with her elitist,, exclusive, prejudicial ways.
TT doesn’t allow links. But it’s not difficult for you to Google.
You must be White, because y’all are always the ones that want Black folks to PROVE racism. LMAO. New flash: this world is still racist. And will most likely stay racist. And it only gets worse the higher we ascend. She wasn’t welcomed with opened arms. Google is free and is your gateway to the truth.
Thank you
Hey Shay, As someone else on here said, racism goes in all directions. A lot of people of colour are racist too. The bitterness and need to lash out is sad and can be very unkind.
Check out the birthday post on Kate’s Insta (@kensingtonroyal)- just a photo of her in jeans, leaning on a fence with a simple message thanking everyone for birthday good wishes.
She has also graciously pinned a message from Harry and Kate at top – though the other royals put messages for Kate on their own accounts.
In recent posts to Kate you will see this one:
“lynncov I’m sorry but all I see is a useless perfect white princess.”
This sort of nastiness happens and is defended by some. One poster even said reverse racism does not exist.
But don’t think this type of racism will stop Kate from just carrying on with her work, because she is a woman of fortitude and has great loyalty to her own and the royal family.
Agree wholeheartedly Shay. The ranks were closed upon her as they were to Diana, Fergie & Wallis & any strong minded female with a voice is always marginalized in the world. I believe she was tolerated to gain empathy & to prove the monarchy is hip & relevant. While I am not a fan of Meghan I think she is a fierce wildly stubborn person & I admire her fortitude. I adore the Queen but let’s face it she is not the type of women we are ; we speak our minds , air out our grievances here with no apologies or regrets & I for one am proud of us.
notice Meghan’s only black friends are famous?
Huh?
I wish there was an emoji for how hard my eyes are rolling.
Yup.
The fuck? This comment is exactly why this should be not be a topic.
I respectfully disagree. Open dialog is such a gift. Is it always pretty? Does it stir a feeling in you?
Don’t allow your discomfort to rule you. You don’t have to comment. Yet, you can speak your mind, or not, but please don’t let the conversations stop because you’re uncomfortable.
Ummm, it’s been mentioned here that we as Americans don’t “understand” the Monarchy of GB, the very one we broke from and is integral in this country’s independence from? Monarchy was already an antiquated form of rule at that time…thank you France!
Are we perfect? No. Do I understand the ins and outs of the current queen and her family, no. But I do see her grandchild, motherless and obviously disillusioned, ready to cut the cord (so to speak) and probably doing it all wrong because this doesn’t happen in our lifetimes but maybe once?
I hope the family finds peace, period.
So beautifully put, Kipper…
“Open dialog is such a gift. Is it always pretty? Does it stir a feeling in you?
Don’t allow your discomfort to rule you. You don’t have to comment. Yet, you can speak your mind, or not, but please don’t let the conversations stop because you’re uncomfortable.”
They could have moved to Australia under the pretense of helping out with the fire disaster. So many causes to champion: Displaced/homeless people, animal rescue and rehabilitation, rebuilding, environmental detoxification. There needs to be practical and emotional healing and strong leadership to organize. They could have brought so much and gotten the distance and separation they want at the same time. They could have been heroes.
Nooooo!!! We don’t want them! The millions of dollars their visits cost need to go to relief & rebuilding.
The trouble is they are not genuine in their sympathy for those in trouble. It is all a facade.
They posted ‘fire’ tragic photos with their obviously insincere message and did not credit the photographers, even when posters repeatedly asked them to. I noticed, then saw in media, they delete posts they don’t like – you see them, then you don’t.
They would no more go and actually help in Australia (or anywhere else) than they did anything of actual assistance in their tour of Africa late last year.
They actually stood in poverty-stricken Malawi and gave a self serving interview about how miserable they were in their own lives and said they were going to sue the press.
Meghan made her lips tremble as she said people did not often ask if she was OK. This was at the end of a couple of weeks touring some of the poorest communities on earth, where girls are not safe from rape and Aids is prevalent. Meghan and Harry are very wealthy – his money estimated at about 30 million pounds, – plus they want everything paid for.
So sorry for ranting! These two greedy grifters disgust me.
I agree. How can you look the young girls in the eyes?
Just throwing this out there…anybody consider Harry is sick of the Royal life? He watched it kill his mother, he’s always at least 2nd fiddle to William, and the British media have been horrible to his wife and child.
I don’t have a problem with him wanting out, he should just pay for his own life & not commidfy 600 year old institution for his personal benefit.
Also, Diana did wonderful things by she was also no saint & played manipulative games with the media. In fact she was pretty unstable.
Yep!!
This^
I could give a big fat flip if Harry decided to leave the Royal life. Of course he is entitled to make that decision, and to do so with no reasons given. However, they lost me when they stated they wanted to maintain use of the Royals funding, property, and security while they seek “financial independence”. The couple has a combined net worth of around $40M! In what bubble are they living that $40M doesn’t give you financial independence. And their plans to make money??? they have trademarked their royal title so they can sell mugs and t-shirts (and much more) with names and faces on it. Harry is welcome to go live his best life as he sees fit, time for him to get a job.
I hope the Queen slaps them silly then kicks them out on their butts without any funding or titles.
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Agree!!!! I hope she says they can’t have it both ways, they are either in and do what’s expected or they are out and they take the $40M they have and GO….and that they cannot step back into royalty later.
Seriously. The UK press are horrible to everyone. The trick seems to be to keep your head down and play by the rules till you win respect – like Kate did, who put up with ridicule for many years. She is a lovely person who is a wonderful mum and works very hard for the Family and public. She has won respect. Meghan could not be bothered but courted publicity anyway and won no respect.
I think Harry is not all that bright, no tertiary ed (even from that wealthy family) and may be a bit unstable like his beautiful mother seemed to be. Many kids lose their parents and do not have the support and funds he has had. His story about flashbulbs giving him PTSD seems to be only when he wants an excuse. Other times seeking the limelight.
Diana died in the end because she accepted being driven by a drunk driver working for her boyfriend’s father, rather than relying on her own personal police squad. She also was not wearing a seatbelt.
Exactly! Harry wasn’t worried about flash bulbs when he came to the USA to Vegas and did all of his partying. Kate has endured a lot and as you said, she kept her head down. Just in the last year or two Kate has endured all the tabloids reporting stories about William messing around with her friend.
Yep you’re right put up with bullying – that’s the only way to get respect. Yep Harry needs to suck it up people have to grieve in exactly the same way and money absolutely makes up for losing a parent in childhood. And absolutely right it’s his 36 year old mother’s fault for getting in that car anyway – she deserved it – she definitely wasn’t being chased by the paparazzi ? Mackie40 should work for the British press, you’d fit right in.
I am positive that Diana was in fact being chased by the paparazzi through that tunnel in Paris. I am old enough to remember that the car was being chased. That said, she did not have her seat belt on and she would have survived with it on. I feel people are rewriting history, she was born in the aristrocracy and was heavily influenced to marry Prince Charles and he did it as he was forced to by his family who knew of his dalliance with Camilla. Everyone seems to forget that Charles was a creep who kept a second residence for his mistress. Diana I have no doubt was deeply depressed. That is not a crime and she had every right to scream from the rooftops for what Charles did to her. He lied like a criminal and made out that she was unstable. It was despicable. The RF were astonished at the reaction to her death by the world and Charles was jealous of her popularity. The RF always protected Charles and they were not kind, in any way, to Diana and tried very hard to diminish her. She was to put up or shut up.
Yes Louise, a group of French paparazzi were following Diana’s car that night in Paris and the driver, who turned out to be way over the legal alcohol limit for driving, accelerated dangerously into the tunnel and they all followed. You are right she was not wearing a seatbelt and a security employee in the front passenger seat who was wearing his survived without becoming a cripple – though his face needed reconstruction. On that occasion she did not want to be photographed, but she was known back in UK to often let the media know where she would be at an event if she did want a photo taken. (She was no longer on the royal events calendar.) She did try hard to upstage Charles after their divorce. I too felt sorry for her about Charles’s affair – very hard for a young woman to take – but I really dont know the ins and outs and timings of their love affairs.
I think at that time the system was that foreign paparazzi would snap intrusive photos of royals and celebrities all over Europe and sell them to the British print media. Since Diana’s death the UK papers have basically agreed not to buy and publish those type of photos.
That is why, for instance, you will have seen no or almost no snatched private photos of Meghan Markle while she was at home in UK. You will see Kate and William manage the media by letting them take the occasional photo by arrangement – which is much more sensible. Or Kate takes and releases photos of her kids – she is a good photographer of professional standard. The time someone took telescopic lens photos of Kate topless at the house they were renting for a holiday in France, I dont think it was published in UK but in foreign magazines – and they were sued successfully by Kate and William.
The recent photo of Meghan Markle with her baby and two dogs in a public park in Canada appeared to me to be pre-arranged (like Diana did) as she was not looking at all taken aback but had on her best professional smile for the camera, and the dogs and protection officers looked very relaxed, not like they had been startled at all. However, it looks like Harry was angry when he got back and was told people were hiding in long grass. He threatened to sue photographers even if they are in a public place when photos are taken.
Diana did not have “her own personal police squad.” The “Firm” took away all her personal security when they took removed her status as “Royal Highness” when she & Charles divorced. She drove herself around without protection post-divorce.
Yes and no. She used police when she had her children with her. She was terrified police were bugging her car, etc.
Thank you. People act like it is all Megan’s fault but Harry is a grown ass man and has said many times he wanted out. Other royals have streamlined and no one has said shit. Always blame the woman. Racism does exist and it has been proven time and again. Hell be happy you got William and Kate’s lazy asses. They can now do more work.
This is the heart of what I was going to try to articulate.
I think it’s disingenuous to not consider this in all these angry reactions. Why should they lie or operate under any kind of pretense when making a move that THEY have decided is best for their family? Why in the world would we think this is all about what Meghan wants or isn’t sucking up?! It’s amazing the expectations we have of folks who are in situations we can’t even imagine ourselves being in.
Harry’s Mother was killed by a drunk driver. Not the media.
Harry’s mother was most definitely killed by the media.
Not at all. On that Jackson is absolutely correct. SHE chose to get into a vehicle being driven by a very drunk man who then drove into a tunnel at very dangerous speeds. She was not wearing her seatbelt either – which was stupid. Both of these are rookie errors lacking common sense that police warn about all the time.
The bodyguard sitting in the front passenger seat was injured but survived and recovered Diana made much of the paparazzi chasing her but was well known to often issue out in advance where she would be to get herself photographed. She was really beautiful and it was hard to take a bad photo.
She was unhappy though when they took photos she did not want taken. They had photographed her with Dodi on a yacht. On this occasion she knew the French paparazzi were waiting outside in numbers and would have been wise to stay at the hotel instead of going out.
It is easy to blame the paparazzi, but on this occasion, though they acted like vultures after the crash, I feel she made basic errors that caused her death. Otherwise it is like Iran blaming USA for the fact they recently shot down a plane in error – if you have your finger on a missile button YOU are responsible. If you get into a car with a very drunk man driving and/or if you don’t put on your seatbelt, YOU are taking a risk.
Applause! Deafening applause. She was indeed ! Tell it sister !
Interesting to see White people go on about how multicultural the UK is. Ask any African living in the UK.
Interesting you think we are all white
Came to say this! And they are an interracial relationship. I say more power to them and wish them well. I love it when people say ” I saw no racism”. Yes because it didnt affect you. And those it did are often told to ‘lighten up’. Smh
find one black friend of Meghan’s who isn’t famous. find one black ex of Meghan’s. Sick of Meghan using her “of color” color card only when it “suits” her.
You’re obviously a racist.
Um why does anyone need to be judged on the number of people from any race? You probably only know the famous ones.
Megan is black enough to draw racist comments but you do not think she has enough black friends so that makes her not black? Do you see how crazy that is?
Take that chip off your shoulder and stop using it as a lens through which to view the world.
Last night I went on their IG account to read what they actually said about their departure but really had fun reading the comments! Talk about disillusionment!! If they really thought that people would say ‘oh, how adorable, live your best life’ the tens of thousands of comments that are full of *accurate* vitriol might be a wake up call.
Ugh, and she left her baby in Canada with the nanny, dropped the bombshell in the UK and is now back in Canada. WE DON’T WANT YOU!!!
Maybe she can do a Hallmark movie of the week with Russia Smollet – it’s that level of crazy!!
It’s best that Harry and Meghan withdraw completely from the royal family, lose all their titles, and no longer receive a ha-penny of British taxpayer money.
Let them try to become celebrities, in the Hollywood sense of the word. They can join the cast of Vanderpump Rules or RHOBH. Jax can take Harry under his wing at Sur and mentor him in bartending.
It’s very telling that (except for her mother) Meghan is alienated from her entire family. Even more telling is how she was initially accepted into the royal family and by the British public and has now alienated them as well. Do some research on the curious timing of virtually all her announcements, interviews, etc. She had a golden opportunity to do great things and blew it due to selfish and attention-seeking behavior.
Let them make their bed and lie in it. Ta-ra!
I’d love to see Harry as a busboy re James at SUR – or maybe he could DJ? Meghan is clearly made to join the Witches of WeHo – they could be the new Shwartz & Katie!
I’m interested in the prenup I am certain she signed, particularly the part concerning the children. If Harry and Meghan establish residency in Canada or the USA and then divorce, will the child be required to stay in the country of established residency? Shit move by them not to take Archie home with them to visit his extended family, a total “f*** you” move.
Harry is not very bright and is besotted. Very likely there was no pre-nup and she will take him to the cleaners. She does not muck around when she wants more.
Surely the Firm didn’t allow them to marry without a prenup!?
The thing I don’t understand is how fast this happened. They haven’t even been married two years, right? How could they both be so wounded so fast? If the PTSD story is true, Harry needs deep mental health care. His sensitivity to how his wife has been treated seems overwrought–she hasn’t been in the public eye all that long, given her maternity leave. And Kate has been the subject of similar treatment over a far longer period of time. The unwilingness even to acknowledge his son was born — to a public that expressed largely positive interest — was bizarre. How does a simple photo harm a newborn?
I read that she spent a large part of their trip to Africa telling him how proud his mother would be of him — is that the conduct of a wife, desperately trying to support a mentally fragile man, or of a woman deeply involved in narcisstic control of him?
The whole thing is incredible. The BRF and public are lucky H is not the heir, given his inability to handle even his role as number 2.
Absolutely right. I think his mother was unstable, and he has inherited that weakness. He was also a heavy drinker till Meghan got her mitts on him, so that could start again with the stress.
Diana had bulimia and a lot of depression and reported self harm of a minor nature, but was still making sure she put out info of her planned whereabouts to the press so she would get the picture coverage she craved. She was beautiful and looked great in photos and adored her kids.
I felt sorry for her about Charles cheating on her from the start and I think that pushed her over the edge rather than the press. Everyone knew.
There was infidelity on both sides of the marriage, Charles with Camilla, and Diana with a number of different men dating back as early as 1986. I dont think Diana was even half as innocent as she was painted to be.
Yes, I agree. But she was said to be a virgin when she got married at 19 and he was already in an affair with Camilla that never ended. Diana found out about Camilla on her honeymoon. She must have sensed Charles was not very keen on her. They were so different. As a young wife Diana would have been unusual if she had not reached out to find someone to love her too. And again, when that did not work out… She never really found a relationship that would work. I dont think Dodi would have worked.
The virgin story was a farce out out by her Uncle. Besides Charles there were others before. As long as she was fertile from a “good family” she was in like Flynn.
So i am American, who grew up watching the royal family because of Diana. Kate received worse treatment from the press and was truly hounded from the moment there was a rumor of them dating.
They complain about Meghan’s spending money of her wardrobe but did the same for Kate, they complain about Meghan not choosing British designers which i find reasonable, she is suppose to represent Britain now. They complain about how she coducts herself in public, stepping in front of Harry and directing him.
I have seen very few “racial” insults but her fans make everything about her race. The most common complaint i have found is her refusal to follow protocol which probably takes time to learn, but her repeatedly making the same misteps looks like she didn’t care to learn.
Now Meghan’s fans are all over the royal reporters and the other family members accounts insulting people and attacking, but especially with the reporters when they are asked to provide examples the replies are more like you know what you did.
Those fans seem to be from America and they are rabid in their defense of her for those slights and their lack of knowledge shows. If someone doesn’t like her its because she is not white, she shouldn’t have to follow protocol since that is for white people, the royal family set her up to fail.
I will say since Harry has always been seen as the lovable black sheep of the family, if she seemed less controlling of him in public they probably would have chopped it up to 2 peas in a pod.
And since i really don’t want to get into any argument, if their are supporters of her here please provide me with examples of people disliking her for her race. I really have not seen any articles calling her out on anything to do with race, but i have seen what gets said on twitter under #sussexsupporters, #sussexstans, # megit to name a few.
I have seen that Britain may be a melting pot but it is currently boiling with issues on race, so i don’t want to insensitive to that.
I am certain recism was not a factor – anywhere near to the racism being stated by people of colour who admire and identify with Meghan in some sort of imagined reflected glory. They do not realise Meghan would not give them the time of day unless they are very rich, like Oprah or Serena.
There are also people who think they are being coordinated by Meghan on twtter, the accounts are protected but they act like they are being run by Markle and are doing her bidding.
You won’t find what you are looking for, because your understanding of racism is that something has been printed about her explicitly saying that she is disliked for her race. That wouldn’t happen would it! She has absolutely not had the same treatment as Kate just google the difference between the articles praising Kate for cradling her bump when pregnant, compared to those attacking Meghan for doing the same as a good example of how differently they were treated. The front pages of the papers here today in the UK are disgusting, it is a very depressing place to be at the moment with Brexit looming and this just highlights the issues we have with institutionalised racism. FYI – Kate wasn’t hounded when they started dating – William was able to go to university without any press intrusion at all, look this up, the British press agreed with the Royal family to leave him alone. Their relationship developed away from any press intrusion.
Kate was hounded by the press for 6 years, starting in 2001. The Press Complaints Commission were found at fault at it was quoted that the PCC “took too long to act to protect Kate Middleton from clear and persistent harassment”.
To now try and rewrite history to say that she wasn’t is ridiculous, we live in a digital age where information is at our fingertips.
Not rewriting history, I said when they started dating! The press covered his arrival and then his graduation other than this he and therefore Kate were left alone. All the senior Royals have received harassment from the press, Meghan’s treatment has been much worse than Kate’s bad treatment basically.
JustJenn said it elsewhere in the comments, Meghan was treated a hell of a lot better than Kate ever was to begin with.
Meghan was absolutely welcomed on arrival as a ‘breath of fresh air’, and people were genuinely happy for Harry he had found someone at last…. then the attention-seeking, selfish, I am a star behaviour began and Meghan lost a lot of support.
I have seen the cradling bump article, i thought it was more about the length of time Meghan cradled her bump vs Kate personally. She was cradling in Australia October and never stopped. I also saw articles complaining about Meghan’s wardrobe choices, compared to Kate, less price mor day vs evening attire. I chalk the bump complaints up to the amount she was cradling and the day vs evening attire up to America vs British. Is there a different reason to assume it was racial? ( really asking because i have no problem admitting i am white and therefore some subtle racism completely passes by me)
Lets face it there was no reason for the pregnancy to be announced at the wedding. So some of the bad press I assumed was coming from Eugenie supporters.
The press were brutal to Kate, calling her Waity Katie and mocking her mother for having been a flight attendant. They left William and Kate largely alone while they were at St Andrew’s, but after they were graduated, they hounded Kate. There were countless critical stories printed about her. It is only now, after years of her performing wonderfully, that she gets such good press.
The press loves to tear people down, build them up, tear them down, etc.
I’ve said this from the day they got engaged, she is going to do whatever she has to shake up the Royals and make sure she goes down in history. She probably thinks she the second coming of Princess Diana. She’s she’s an actress and she is use to it all being about her. I can hear her now with Harry….your mother would want you happy, you need to do whatever it is to make you happy. I think she knows just how to manipulate Harry and he is just being pulled around and doing whatever she says. She got what she wanted, she married a Prince and now she wants to benefit from that monetarily, and by “leaving” the Royal Family, she can do that. Just watch, they will probably have multi million dollar deal with Netflix soon.
So let me understand this. You are saying stay there and let those demons keep coming at her. Only her husband is defending her. When her husband defended Kate all the time. (Harry). Just let her stay there and be as miserable as Diana. This is 2020 no way. Let them build their on path. They will go back.
No one is saying that – we are saying if you don’t want this life that is fine but don’t expect the hard working taxpayers of the UK & The Commonwealth to fund your choices – you pay rent for your house that in held in trust by the crown for the people and you pay for your own security detail and your own designer wardrobe. Also show respect for the institution who birthed you / you married into and act with decorum – not everything is about you. Do not exploit the Royal connections you are rejecting for personal monetary gain. They have close to 40 000 000 pounds, they will not starve.
Kudos to Prince Harry for making a decision for “his family” . Let the man live his life. I am in the minority on this one. He is 6th in line to become king, which is highly unlikely unless 5 heirs kick the bucket at the same time (God forbid). Prince William and Kate should be the ones doing the majority of senior royal duties,since William will be king. Yeah, he should have disclose his decision to Granny, before announcing it to the world. Something tells me that this is not a new concern with the Windsors. They knew. They just didn’t think he had enough of Diana in him to walk away. I read an article yesterday concerning shocking new of the beloved Prince stepping back, not quitting. The people relates to Harry and understand the anger they are feeling. Apparently, Queen Elizabeth II, Prince Charles, and Prince Williams are meeting to come of with a better plan to include Harry. It is not socking. Harry has been different. A royal rebel. Go on Prince Harry. Enjoy your life.
So the main responses i have seen are outrage he didn’t tell the Queen and that he expects to continue to receive 95%percent of his income from his father and that they will still be getting security for free, thats not financial independence.
Harry has said before he is only staying to for his Grandmother, i don’t think anyone expected him to stay after the Queen passed.
I think as long as they are not monetizing their title, which is looks like they are, no one would care.
Read the article in NY Times. He told the family and he called Prince Charles last week. His father advised him to write up an engagement for Her Majesty’s approval. The Queen had advised she will give her blessings, as long as his father approved and they must come to an agreement of the duties of his part time role. Apparently, Prince Charles approved. The only reason Prince Harry announced it early was because The Sun got wind of it and was going to run a negative story. Apparently, the Royals are on board with his decision and are rushing the final plans of his new role. They never said the wanted to live off UK government. All the details of their next step is on their new website and it has been disclosed in NY Times. The British press is upset, because they are boycotting them. Kudos to Harry and Meghan on enjoying their life.
Mostly rubbish and your wishful thinking. You have no idea of how royal family protocol works – and if that is what NY Times printed, neither do they. Harry, however, knows exactly what rules he should have followed with any news release.
That is certainly how I read the majority of responses I have seen.
Charles’ sons get a lot more money as intended leading supporters of the Queen but Harry still wants all that while he leaves the work to his only brother.
It was the whole tone of their new website statement of their position that was so arrogant – including saying they were prepared to ‘collaborate’ with the Queen – as if they were her equal. And the Queen is genuinely loved and respected for her many years working to keep stability and friendship between Commonwealth countries and in UK.
Tons of others lower down the line in the family cheerfully just get on with the others and pull their weight for the Queen with little or no money given to them.
I so agree. They should be able to live their lives. They are nor hurting anyone by doing this. I do not blame Harry at all for not wanting his son raised in this toxic environment. He knows better than anyone what it is like for the child.
Enjoy his life doing what? Pumping gas to pay the bills? If he’s got a trust fund, then OK. But Wallis and Edward wandered around for decades, lost and without purpose.She has him by the balls, and he doesn’t even realize it.
FYI: Living free is an American falsehood- we all get dressed, work, compromise, and pay taxes-even the trust funders. .
@kkbella stay woke. The man is not a pauper, nor is his wife. As a private citizen, he will make thousands of dollars on book deals, lectures, etc. No need to insult the man’s intelligence, but don’t worry. There is plenty of love in Canada and the United States for Harry and Meghan. With friends like Oprah and the Obamas, I doubt he will be pumping gas or trolling for coins on the corner. Must be a British thing. A full service gas station is like a dinosaur in the U.S.
being sarcastic about the gas station-in line with how he is completely unprepared to “make his own income”. @BougeeBee you stay woke or as I would say, get clear- dumb ass. His “friends” are not life long, but really what we used to call eurotrash or hangers on- Oprah, apple TV, and the Clooneys have no ways to make them income without their titles, No one cares about what they can do without their titles- GRANTED by the Queen. Ergo, directly representing the Crown, and its views- not the views of them. And FYI- you all that think 34 million, more or less, standing alone, with the lifestyle they have and want, WILL NOT BE SUPPORTED. They need way more than that. A movie, a book deal, with the charities to which they are supporting? Laughable.
I may be unpopular for even saying just THIS, but I have mixed feeling about them leaving. I will say that I am not surprised, and for a while now I have said as much. Last week I even called that they weren’t coming back when my Mom mentioned them and their drama and struggles. One thing’s for sure… Madame Tussaud’s wasted no time showing how they feel! That’s one way to say “Good riddance!”. Damn. I just hope that everyone ends up happy. I feel bad for the Queen if she’s upset about it but you never really know what goes on behind those walls, and what conversations are being had. The Queen has proven herself to be a very multi-layered woman. (I also have my own thoughts about Harry that I’m not going to even mention here) If she is indeed extremely upset by this, then I just don’t know why they couldn’t wait until she was gone at least, out of respect for her. Again though, who knows what’s really going on deep within that Onion. I agree that it’s absurd for them to keep their titles (especially her), and the money and cottage. As someone else mentioned above… How much GD money do they need to be “independent” ? It’s actually quite gross, and THAT part I am surprised by. Flabbergasted really. The more I think about it though, it seems that in the end, many of the Royals end up following their hearts over what other people and/or “the” people expect them to, as unpopular as it is, or was at one point in time or another.
I also have mixed feelings. As someone from a former commonwealth nation that was ravaged by the British empire, and is still reeling in the aftermath of post colonialism, I don’t have much love for the royals and the brutal dehumanizing history they rest their laurels on. We all know what happened to pay for those jewels and homes, and I wonder why everything hasn’t been sold and reinvested into the people damaged by their legacy. I can only imagine how deeply violent existing within that family must be. But how could she not know that? I would NEVER marry a royal or even attempt to publicly uphold that institution. I would also NEVER marry a regular person who dressed up as a Nazi for Halloween, no matter how young he may have been. So while part of me is like yesss get out, another part of me is suspicious of her life choices in the first place.
I feel as though they are hoping to be billionaires and quite possibly political figures in the future(Megan). Just my thoughts.
I woke up early for Princess Diana’s wedding and their wedding: I was ALL about it and thought they were the cutest couple. Unfortunately, something started to bother me and I think it was when she wore the coat to the wedding when she was a month pregnant at the most. Something felt very ‘attention seeking’ and it made me quite sad. I soon noticed other things. I was surprised to be honest. They will soon earn millions and that’s what Megan truly wants along with being “looked up too”. I read the Tig(her blog), every comment was positive from readers. She yearns for this again and wants it. She loves being in the limelight-she was a struggling actress for years-its what she worked so hard for & now she is on top of the world(if you look at this from a celebrity viewpoint ). I can’t imagine how much their foundation will make-endless amounts of money & influence rolling in. The next few years will be interesting: I hope it’s what they truly wants-sounds lonesome to me.
Not all English are royalists. From what I have read lots of people see the monarchy as a useless institution, and this in large part due to having to pay for them. So, this puts a couple off the payroll.
Agree. The Brits and their attack dog media has been bitching for years. They didn’t accept Meghan, nor wanted her to be there. Now they have decided to set themselves free, now they are saying “No. You can’t go”. Let them go and leave them alone. It’s what they wanted. The U.K didn’t realize if Meghan goes so would “the people” beloved prince too.
But they have demanded to keep 95% of their pay plus their police escort of 6. Check out their new website.
This is kind of misleading their security escort is dictated by the Home Office they don’t really have input in it in the same way that the President of the US doesn’t as public figures. How that works out after they take this action I don’t know but as public figures for their own personal safety they require those security arrangements and as long as they remain in service to the crown I don’t see why anyone should complain about it really. As for their income that comes from the Surplus proceeds from the Duchy of Cornwall which is something just over 21 million pounds this year, through his father. That 21 million pounds serves as the incomes for Prince Charles family, Williams family, and Harry’s family. The people of the UK don’t fund that. They receive just 5% of their income from the Sovereign Grant which pays for their offices in relation to their official duties in service to the crown. That 5% comes from the people but in a roundabout way through the Sovereign Grant. in that the queen surrenders the revenues of the crown estate something like 300 million pounds to the government and the government gives the crown something like 80 some million pounds back to pay for the running of the monarchy through the Sovereign Grant, I believe it’s pegged to like 15 to 25% of the revenues of the crown estate, and in terms of how much the royal family is worth on an annual basis to the country it’s something like 2 billion pounds. All in all they’re not a financial burden to the people. What frequently gets lost in the conversation is that under the terms of the current structure Harry, and Williams families are prohibited from earning professional incomes. The actions Harry’s family is taking here is to distance themselves just enough from the royal family that they can begin to earn an income.
Actually H & M do have a bit of input re protection and have now removed a sentence on their website saying they are entitled to it. Scotland Yard has in last day or so said they don’t have an unlimited budget and something will need to be worked out. Eg maybe Canada will pay some of it, though a poll said Canadians are unhappy with that.
The Duchy money is not like ordinary family money to be given to you just because you are in the family. It passes each generation to the person next in line to the throne, as he/she and their immediate family usually do most work to support the monarch and so have associated costs.
Depending what is worked out – if Harry is to continue actually doing a reasonable amount of work for the Queen (ie stuff actually required and not done on a whim) then I am sure Charles will continue to pay him family money. But if Harry is only doing his own interest projects and the family work has to be picked up, say, by some of his cousins – then I would think Charles will divert money from Harry to the cousins.
When the Queen dies and Charles becomes King (possibly not so far ahead, and maybe hastened by the aggro) William will inherit the Duchy and all its money and will expect allocate it to his own family and anyone else central to supporting Charles as King through their work. The central players work long hours on community help projects as well as doing their public appearances.
Luckily Harry is a very wealthy man with money he inherited from his mother, and Meghan seems keen to do Disney, etc, work. So they have plenty of their own money either way.
Not all English are Royalists, but roughly 80% of British people support the Monarchy.
My daughter informed me last night that I must be the only woman in America outraged by Megan and her behavior! (Except for some of my like minded TT followers, Americans are so lame about their understanding of the monarchy) Yet ever since Megan’s “friends” released her letter to her father, and i read it, I decided she was manipulative, and did not understand the title she signed up for, and did not deserveHer sister may have been right after all? (And she’s a nutter)
Then, there is this whole thing on what exactly are they qualified to do? B rate actress and professional heir, “Collaborate” with Amal, George and Oprah? Well, eurotrash and hangers on don’t really care about you without a legit title.
Can’t handle how entitled she thinks she is. Why didn’t they just lay low, no public appearances? Don’t change the world right away with bananas, high profile patronages, and trips to Africa.Get the lay of the land- this isn’t hollywood- it’s a different boss here baby, She didn’t even give it 2 years! And, she leaves Archie with the nanny in Canada, to come back, drop a bomb, and then go back to Canada? I can’t get enough of this, reading DM and the comments incessently.
You and many others, including the press, would have attacked them no matter what they did
Thats not true. Americans overwhelmingly supported her and the marriage. But I think we did that with the understanding that she would make what is there a better part of a whole. Kind of like the current Pope is trying to do with an old and new church. You don’t get to show up and tell us all how it’s going to be It’s sad. HandM should support the Q, or then say nothing. Why is it so important for M to appear at every dog show, and then try to make her mark? She’s there representing the monarchy. QE the 2nd is going to write on a banana? At least check with her first.
Oh @kkbella. It isn’t really that serious. They’ve lived through it and believe this would be healthy for their family. They won’t know how they’d feel until they try it. For the sake of their mental well-being, let them have it. It doesn’t affect you personally, focus on your future king who is happy to embrace the role. Celebrities/royals have feelings too. And no, you don’t know how they feel.
Except it does affect Brits personally, we pay for the Monarchy through our taxes. And to continue to pay for H&M who have publically said they want to step back is an insult, personally to the British public.
And they are saying they want to stop taking your money. What is the problem again?
I have to admit that I’ve never understood this argument; the crown gives the government (the people) over 300 million pounds annually and the people give it back something like 50 to 80 million to run the monarchy so in that farcical sense I suppose you’re accurate that the people pay for the Monarchy, but only from a fraction of its own proceeds which it freely gives to the people in the first place, so not really. The Monarchy is a huge net positive for the country. In fact you pay less in taxes because they exist. The monarchy is directly responsible for nearly 2 billion in net income for the country in tourism dollars. Again no where near the amount they take from what they give the country.
Her father abandoned her mother and had nothing to do with her prior to her dating Harry. He then tried to sell information about her to the press. Stfu
That is patently untrue – he paid for her private high school education.
She spent 10 years of her life on set after school with him in Los Angeles when he worked as a lighting manon Married With Children etc.
He partly paid for her college.
He was at her first wedding.
All documented.
For a battle of wits you are clearly unarmed.
Layla, the statement indicates that that want to be free of Royal duties but still have the tax payer funded home& security while they earn their own money. This is not allowed, this is why people are upset. They want to have & eat their cake. And they were rude to the hand that feeds them – TheQueen.
Lala, that is not what they have said at all!
Meghan has definitely been the subject of mean racist comments constantly by tabloids. Maybe Harry just wants to protect his family from all that hate. People are so judgmental on these two adults and acting like this is the worst thing in the world. We need to remember Phillip’s shenanigans. Charles’s indiscretions and of course Andrew’s mess and just wish the couple well!
Since you brought it up, the palace protected all of those men and their “shenanigans”. What will become of Harry when the honeymoon is over and he has some “shenanigans”, or worse—she does? The machine won’t be around to protect them or their children. Just saying. Again, I don’t think these two thought about the long term effects of this ridiculous plan. They are still in the honeymoon phase of marriage. Heaven forbid that she lets her bitch light shine on Harry one day… He will be fucked. Even if roles are reversed, she will be fucked as well. They are silly kids who have no foresight.
Hmmm. I do wonder how Harry could come back tail between legs if need be? Andrew looked like the injured party back in the day but he’s always stayed closish to Fergie which makes me think he forgave (approved) her dalliances to keep his secrets…IDK people?!
I think as a grandson and in line to the throne, I hear Harry is 6th, but hello people, everyone is oldish and as a misinformed American (me), is Queen Elizabeth failing? She seems to be still on enough of her game to maintain physically and professionally for quite some time. I respect her for her longevity and loyalty to her (crossing myself and I’m not Catholic) people.
Hello, is it just me or can we just check off a few non potential future kings or queens (can’t believe I just typed that, it’s weird) but it’s going to be prince William, I’m calling it now.
As a parent, I understand that life changes drastically once a child is born. Your priorities are different, You do whatever you can to provide the best life and protection of your child and family unit. I truly feel that he made the decision to step back for the well-being of his family which is perfectly understandable. He has first hand knowledge of the difficulties of living the life of a royal. He just might not want that for his son. Plus Megan was just not cut out for royal life.
However, I do agree with most people that he handled stepping down very badly without consideration of his royal family and careful planning involving the logistics of making this decision. Maybe he wanted to put something out there before the family talked him out of his decision. Perhaps Megan gave him an ultimatum. I don’t know but the announcement feels very hasty and rushed.
That bitch is THIRSTY and she thinks she is smarter than everyone else.
This is a blatant fame and money grab and Harry is coming off dim witted.
This will not end well for Megan Markle.
I 100% agree with you JoJoFLL.
As this story has unfolded, I have my own child in my thoughts. Just prior to the holiday season, my daughter came to me upset with some of her in-laws. She has been having difficulty with some of her husband’s family lying about her and creating loads of drama. She was ready to separate herself from them, not the entire family just the shit-stirrers. This decision would have also kept her husband on the outside. My advise, suck it up buttercup. I told her she should do nothing (wish I could put that in italics) to alienate her husband from his family. She didn’t have to be friends with anyone but she had to be friendly ….. fake it all day! Someone close to Meghan also needed have a hard talk with her a long time ago. She doesn’t have to like every one within the royal family, they certainly don’t all like each other. She knew damn well what she was marry into, if she didn’t like it, she should declined Harry’s proposal.
Agree with both of you!
My mother in law gave similar advice to others. And, bless her, when me and my 2 kids came barrelling into her quiet family, she NEVER made me feel excluded. Even when she served rare roast beef (which I had never seen) and let me cook mine in the micro (usually a sin in the family).
Sucking it up is what most families do. It’s a kindness.
So well said. Taking on the Queen is not a good way to go.
Eating popcorn to this drama. We can sit back and watch it all play out. My bet is give it two years and somebody’s coming back across the pound, tail between legs.
It is so silly that everyone thinks Prince Harry is being controlled by Meghan. Uh, wasn’t he a rebel before meeting Meghan? I doubt very seriously she controls him. Now, they are trying to blame Oprah in advising them to walk away, which she has openly denied. They have decided to step back and apparently his father and grandmother are not barking, so why is the public barking?
He was not so much a rebel as a heavy drinker who.did silly things and got into scrapes, like dressing up as a Nazi for a party and being filmed having a naked irgy with a friend and girls at a hotel somewhere. Just behaved a bit like a rich lout. But had a ready smile when sober so people thought he was a lovable young rogue.
Very much so. Photographed stark naked as well. Harry is absolutely wild on his own with or without Meghan.
Good for Harry, Megan & Archie. The royal thing isn’t working for them, so they’re going to step off the payroll & work. Harry is 6th in line to the throne, he’s never going to be king. Let him live his life.
The Queen knew this was coming, she was trying to slow walk it, a tabloid found out, so they released the info before they got scooped.
The fact that this is getting such outrage, while Prince Andrew was allowed to be a pedophile & participate in international Sex trafficking for years (don’t tell me they didn’t know, they knew, hell, I knew & I’m just a schmuck who reads) tells me a I need to know about where the royal family’s priorities are. I wouldn’t want my kid around that either.
Then let them pay back every dime they already spent. I don’t think anyone would really care if they left except it IS about the money. Shouldn’t be able to monetize titles either. Can’t have cake and eat it too.
Say it. totally agree. Prince Andrew step back just before Christmas, because he was being exposed for having sex with minors, so why are the public not bitching about the damage he has done to the family? Neither Princess Anne, nor Prince Edwards, or Prince Andrew’s daughtersn do as much for the Firm, as harry and Meghan. People are saying Harry should pay back the money. Yeah, right. Like her Royal Majesty will make her grandson pay back money to U.K. Sulk it up Brits. You wanted a monarchy you can gawk at and hold them to your uppity standards. Well, paying for the “idea” of having a monarchy is the gift that keep on giving.
Princess Anne is the hardest working royal, I have the privilege of having met her several times through my work and she is regularly involved in my industry. She is not just a name/figure head, she’s intelligent, dedicated and involved in the causes she supports. She puts in more hours/attendances a year than the others and genuinely gets involved in the organisations she is patron of.
The Princess Royal doesn’t fulfill the American notion of a fairytale princess though – and this is a strong, driven woman who has always gone her own way, create as normal a life as possible for her children & still managed to do her duty.
People forget – or are clearly ignorant – of the fact that the Earl of Wessex and his wife Edward and Sophie also tried to maintain some independence and work, however they become vulnerable to those who wished to exploit their connections for personal gain and were highly criticized in the media and then withdrew to concentrate on Royal philanthropy.
I’ll keep saying it – Royalty isn’t celebrity. They are not the Kardashian / Jenner’s, who incidentally however much I disapprove of their materialism, hussle to earn their money. Thank you Kylie Jenner for your extremely generous $10 000 000 donation to our State fire fighters – you have done more than our own billionaire Rupert Murdoch & Gina Reinhardt. You were not required and it is appreciated.
Off with their heads! Seriously though, they clearly have lost touch with reality. Royal PITAs.
It’s like Wallis Simpson with social media lol
Several of the Black blogs and websites I frequent have been posting the ongoing racist comments other royals used against Megan, as well as the rest of the world, since they married. I don’t mean to suggest that she is a saint, but let’s not pretend that a whole lot of folks weren’t thrilled about having a Black person marry into that family.
The press and the media racism towards Meghan probably play a major role in their decision, especially that troll Piers Morgan, who appears to be obsessed with Meghan. Just down right creepy. They are really upset, because Prince Harry has blocked the Royal Rota and the media. They are now controlling their interaction with the media.
Amen! I’ve seen side by side comparisons of articles written about Kate vs. Meghan in similar situations. The one that REALLY struck me was the headlines about their pregnancies.
The one about Kate:
“Not long to go! Pregnant Kate tenderly cradles her baby bump while wrapping up her royal duties ahead of maternity leave – and William confirms she’s due ‘any minute now'”
Then Less than a year later, same newspaper:
“Why can’t Meghan Markle keep her hands off her bump? Experts tackle the question that has got the nation talking: Is it pride, vanity, acting – or a new age bonding technique?”
Kate got mistreated when she was dating William, sure… but even in those comparisons, this disparagement of MM’s mother had racial over and undertones. (Saw one headline that her mother lived in a ghetto)
This is 100% about the media. I didn’t realize that because they were accepting about 5 million from the royal dole, they had to participate in the “Royal Rota” – the group of news media outlets that cover the Royals in official engagements, who have access to their calendars, etc. The very same people who trash Meghan on the daily with headlines like I just typed out, and the same who didn’t give a shit about the troops and basically outed Harry so much when he was in a war zone so he had to give up the career he wanted (so when people ask why he just didn’t get a “regular” job… that is why. He HAD one.). Oh yeah, the same media who chased his mother to her death.
I think the tabloid press over there has been pissed at them for a while because they’ve BEEN using social media, etc. differently than the other Royals for a while now. I follow their Insta, and I don’t follow a lot of sites I don’t personally know, unlike Facebook. They use their Instagram as their own media to highlight charitable work around the globe (not theirs, but groups they admire and have worked with). I’m sure they were pissed when Meghan has worked with non Royal Rota media as well.
Oh, and just because you are not working in the family business any longer, doesn’t mean you are leaving your FAMILY. His cousins almost all have their own jobs. I also see nothing wrong with using their title for shit. The Earl of Sandwich does!
The Earl of Sandwich is not a member of the royal family
You are missing the point! The Earl of Sandwich has a title and like many people in the UK that have a title uses it despite not carrying out Royal duties!
You are equating Landed gentry with Royalty & Royalty with celebrity – you have no idea what you are talking about.
If you are replying to me, I understand it perfectly thank you – it isn’t complicated.
Ok… but Prince Charles is, and the Duchy Originals was a company started by him, named after the Duchy of Cornwall, and its logo stems from the Duchy’s coat of arms.
That was Kate’s third pregnancy, she was forced to announce her first pregnancy before she was ready due to complications and the press finding out. Kate was also hounded at first, called names, had topless pictures leaked, etc. Meghan had a much warmer reception when comparing the early years of the two.
That was just one example I have seen. Kate didnt get accused of using her unborn child for vanity or attention. Or being “too bossy” or a lot of other tropes.
She was accused of all sorts of things if you look at articles from 2011 and earlier. Maybe she was better suited for the Royal lifestyle but the press was also unrelenting with Kate.
Accused of what exactly? Being keen to get married? Being followed obsessively followed is not the same thing. Erica’s Example and comment on tropes is spot on.
Wow! Nothing surprises me anymore…..
I’m so thankful for TT and fellow commenters for enlightening me on the inner workings of the Royals. I truly feel that I get the “real” story here!!
With everything going on these days, this soap opera involving the Royals is an escape.
So please keep sharing your stories, knowledge, ect… I am here for it!!
Thank you for this site TT, you will never understand how much it is valued.
Cheers
Meghan is as fake as a three dollar bill. She came across so sweet and naive before they got married, she didn’t know much about Prince Harry but only wondered if he was kind ?
She cozied up to The Queen and loved animals as well..they were practically bffs!
Then there was the huge world wide televised wedding with an A list guest list. None of the negative publicity leading up to the wedding caused her to have second thoughts about that.
And yes, Harry has always been a rebel but one with a cause. He went around doing great things without seeking attention for them while still upholding his royal duties. If they said they wanted to go live off of the grid while trying to save the world people would have almost expected that about the pre-marriage couple. What they are doing now just seem to prove all of those nasty rumors about Meghan to be true, sadly.
You’re a bigoted fool if you believe she should stay to be called horrible racist names and have her child subjected to that treatment
Ditto,ditto, ditto. totally agree. People are walking around with their eyes wide shut and wonder why this world has become a hate monger society.
What racist names has she been called? And don’t call me a bigot just because I can see when someone is fraud.
The race thing has nothing to do with this- but go ahead and make that your best argument. Her missteps are all on her and her behavior. Harry is quoted as saying time and time again: “what Meagan wants, Meagan gets”. At least until Grandmother says no. She was shocked after her overwhelming welcome that she was not top dog, and that her opinion or “way” was not going to take the first slot.
She’s a fraud. I knew it the moment I saw her interviewed with Harry after the engagement. She needs to stop with the racist stuff. She looks Italian. I didn’t know she was half black until she got famous being engaged to Harry.
What the fuck! What did she say the was bigoted? Get over yourself and your virtue signaling. Seriously, I wanted to believe is the fairytale for her, she now has her ace in the hole and that is that baby.
Only white women say this crap. Yall are so angry at the loss of control over her blackness. Her first meeting after the engagement Harry’s aunt wore a blackface broach. They called her ghetto and straight outta Compton, compared archie to a chimp, asked her to do a sambo routine and be grateful for being allowed to be near a royal. You’re an idiot and obviously have no friends of color if you think this.
exactly
Well TT maybe if you ever dealt with constant racism and hatred you would leave too. The press compared archie to a chimp, called her a nigger repeatedly and harassed her. You’re racial bias is showing and maybe speak to a black person before spewing this hatred. Harry has always shunned the crown. Stop blaming the black woman for his adult choice.
I read the article of the writer, who called baby Archie a monkey, after he was born. Stay woke people. The U.K was not nice to her at all. Although she is bi-racial, all they saw was the blackness. The woman has been ridicule for by the press, since she arrived on British soil. George Clooney and others has come to her defense in asking the nasty British press and people to stop judging her and leave her alone. She actually flew back to Canada this morning, where she is embraced and loved. U.K. you had your chance to show love, but you failed royally.
Provide a link to this so called article.
I don’t think it’s appropriate to post a link on TT’s site. If you google Baby Archie called a monkey, the first hit is about a British radio host who called him an chimpanzee. Other articles, such as the Sun, also report on the number of racist tolls that surfaced after the baby was presented. Trolls aren’t the media, it get it…
That was overly racist but the amount of covert racist language is there in abundance.
They spent millions of tax payers money renovating their cottage and now they want out of doing royal duties. Bloody cheek! I hope they know that it’s all or nothing as we will not be paying for their security since they want to live like everyone else.
They have been criticised for very good reasons: private jets all over the place when’s they queen takes the train and other royals fly commercial. A larger carbon footprint than Lewis Hamilton while stating that they are trying to save the planet, and then whining when we ask them what the fuck they are doing! She’ll be the ruin of Harry as he wasn’t like that’s before.
They both can fuck off and stay in Canada. The British public have made it very clear that’s we do not want them and we don’t want to pay for them.
And why was newborn Archie called a monkey by the press?
I love me some Gayle King, but even she alluded to the press as wondering if something was wrong with the baby. I believe she said they wondered if the baby was “a throwback” with “a red Afro.” This was all japing and hurrahs because Archie’s first pics were revealed that morning. I was shocked! She is black and best friends with Oprah, so Gayle is quite verbose about race. Tasteful and very smart. I believed her that people were “wondering”! I thought if she let that slip, the speculation must have been atrocious. Disappointing!
See the British pats are not being truthful as to what speared headed Prince Harry to step back for the good of his wife and son. As the hours and days tick away, the truth is starting to trickle out. The Royals knew Harry’s plan, before he left for Canada. They were trying to play hardball with him by stalling and making him jump through hoops. So, the royal rebel beat them at their own game. And, that is the reason they are not happy. He forced their hand. I honestly believe he could give a hoot about the title.
The American media is printing the real story.
Everyone is getting that story – the issue is not consulting the Queen & their childish & entitled plan to finance the new life. Their protection squad costs milli9ns of dollars & they expect to live rent free on crown land in a home paid for by the British taxpayer. He is childish & she is calculating. The racism on blogs etc is indicative of troll like online culture, the mainstream media has not harassed her racially – she is using the card to get her way.
Again understand Royalty is NOT celebrity – your privilege comes at the price of service & the Royal family is not to be cheapened & commodified to fund a lifestyle. It may be outdated & antiquated but it’s the way it is – you get a gilded cage on a long rope as your life is paid for by the British taxpayer. A very lavish life with media scrutiny. I don’t want it, some do.
they have made their choice. Live with it.
Everything you, as an Australian, say is a absolutely right but it seems impossible for lots of people in USA to understand or feel the significance of the Royal family in UK and Commonwealth society.
Those constantly playing the race card on Megan’s or their own behalf, have not watched the genuine respect the Queen has always shown to every race. Same as Charles and William and Harry. It is the same as we look at some USA customs and institutions and they may seem alien or useless.
It is so easy for people everywhere to jump to the wrong conclusions and think they understand what they don’t.
I personally would like to apologise to Samantha and Thomas Markle for earlier not believing them.
That comment was made by a newspaper (either The Sun or Daily Mail probably) which is known to make inflammatory comments. They were very quickly condemned by actual proper newspapers (ones that use journalists who report the news). Unfortunately that comment went global and people think that all of the press here are like that. The “red top” newspapers like to make quick headlines and have their own agenda. They very rarely report actual news with any journalist quality.
Gayle King anchors the CBS morning news. I trust her journalism.
Actually if you google it- you will see it was tweeted by an employee of the BBC who was then fired.
Maybe she read it on the BBC: I heard GK with my own ears say those words.
That cottage was slated to be renovated well before they were even engaged and regardless of its occupants. It is a designated heritage site.
A simple google search will reveal the litany of micro and macro aggressions she’s had to endure for YEARS & all y’all see us an uppity negro who should sit there and take it. Smh
Yes. You can quit. It has happened before. The beloved Queen Elizabeth would not have even been Queen without a similar situation. Look up King Edward VIII and Wallis Simpson. I watched something about it on the history channel and it was very interesting.
Also, why is it all Meghan’s fault? Seems like an easy scapegoat to me. I would bet that this is not her decision. That Harry was ultimately the one to make the choice. He probably doesn’t want his wife and family to walk the same line that his mother had to. Seeing how that turned out.
Is Meghan an American or Canadian?
I thought she was American, thus her only sin is that she is exercising her right to freedom in a relationship with a man indebted to another country with ancient culture and customs. Meghan wants to be free. Maybe Harry does, too. This decision may be all about Harry and his heart, his health. I wish them the best.
I think Megan had a completely different idea of Royal Life. She thought being a Princess would be like being an A-lister and a Disney Princess all in one. The statement they made with regards to “making their own money” kind of sums it up for me. She wants to capitalize on her newfound fame (I had never heard of her or the show Suits before Harry) and live like a Kardashian. That’s my theory/opinion.
With regards to Harry, I think losing his mother at such a young age really had a massive effect on his relationships with women. Diana was an extremely driven and ambitious woman. I think Megan has those characteristics, minus Diana’s charm, Grace, empathy, and sincerity. His other maternal influence is obviously the Queen. She is the definition of strength. Between his mother and his Grandmother, he is used to a Matriarchal life! He seems to let Megan lead the way….
No matter what they do they get attacked. You criticize them for being paid by taxpayers, then criticize them for wanting to end that and earn their own money. Nothing they do will ever not be attacked. Why would they want to raise their son in such a toxic environment? Archie has been attacked for his race since before he was born. Harry knows how difficult it is to grow up with such scrutiny. Who can blame Harry for wanting better for himself and his family
They dont want to end being paid by the Duchy though, that makes up 95% of their income, which is paid for by the British public!! They have only said they will relinquish the 5% they get from the Sovereign grant.
Oh, good lord y’all. Meghan got her feelings hurt by the press. How awful. Name me ONE celebrity, political figure, or public figure that hasn’t had vile, hateful things printed about them in the press. Even the beloved Queen has received more than her fair share of criticism.
And I don’t blame Meghan solely, they are operating as a couple.
Fine! They don’t want the royal title or duties. Then they should take their $40M and go on. And should refuse any and all public funding. Prince Charles money is his as long as he is living, up to him alone if he wants to share. No one is “entitled” to anyone else’s money, even kin.
I’m sorry but for those who are citing racism, it’s everywhere and so is the media. Leaving the monarchy isn’t going to stop fucktards from spewing hatred. Harry knows what he was born into. I’m pretty confident that she had to become a British citizen in order to marry him. Are they just going to keep moving from country to country trying to find what they want? And what is it that they truly want? They say privacy yet she is an attention whore. They say financial independence yet want to keep titles and income. They preach about climate change yet take private jets. They clearly haven’t grasped that perception is reality and have zero self awareness. They sound like hypocritical brats. Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. Celebrity fades and yet the monarchy has still endured. Monarchy by definition is bloodline. How is the baby going to like this once grown? You only get one family and they seem to want to push both of their families away. It also seems like they are both very near sighted, and not very bright. Where will the Clooneys and Oprah be when Archie grows up? There are so many other ways that they could have played this…. and actually used their platform for good, even if taking a step back like many before them. Once Wills becomes king, no one is going to care what they do. Instead it looks like they were only interested in instant gratification. I don’t know that they really thought this one through & if they actually put their child first in making this ridiculous announcement. Yes, the monarchy is antiquated, but it is what it is and it’s much bigger than the two of them. Also, of course the royals don’t care about the money—because it’s the TAXPAYERS money they are wanting to hold onto. As if they haven’t spent enough of it. Now they are going to make Canada pay for their security?! Sofa king selfish.
I’d watch a show where they’re stripped of everything and become financially independent working at McDonalds. Clearly they never watched The Simple Life. She wouldn’t last a day!
I don’t know why but I’m American and this makes me angry. Perhaps because she is furthering the perception of entitled greedy Americans? I can’t with her. And I think he’s just pussy whipped. This is not going to end well for either of them, IMO. Ughh
Thank you so much for this wise comment IJC. It is so hurtful to read comments putting the royal family and its tradition and work down. It is a huge influence for stability and friendship in many countries besides UK. The Commonwealth has about 52 member countries.
Totally agree! Also, she didn’t have to become a citizen to marry him. She is still an American citizen. She thought she was going to lay about and eat bonbons all day while being pampered, it’s actually work to be a royal.
I had really hoped that H&M would bring a change to the British Monarchy for the better, drag it kicking and screaming into the 21st Century. Unfortunately the only thing that will be remembered is that when Meghan married Harry he broke with the institution and left it behind. They wont have changed anything, all it will do is give the tabloids more reason to vilify her ?
Because I love a good conspiracy, I’ll put on my tinfoil hat. The Royal Family is not the loving family led by the sweet but tough matriarch. The monarchy is a machine with the sole purpose of keeping the monarchy intact. The “men in grey” are a real thing. The controversy with Prince Andrew’s relationship w/Epstein and that abominable TV interview was not a good look. The queen has been protecting Andrew (an alleged pedophile) from the beginning when it’s almost a fact that he’s had sex with underage girls. She protected him so much that Charles had to step in and say enough already. Not a good look. I believe in order to deter the public from that scandal, they threw Megan and Harry to the wolves. The media criticism has been relentless. The queen gets to look good again b/c she’s the victim. She’s not that sweet old lady holding a purse. None of them are sweet and certainly not victims.
This is not as simple as they are selfish unaware pricks. It may be part prick but this is messy, complex, and runs deeper than we can even imagine. I do agree, however, that either they’re all in or all out. The in between makes it worse.
Why is she the villain in this? Harry is a man and he can make his own decisions. His mother was demonized but his father, the man was the one who caused all of the turmoil. Megan’s father, a man tried to sell them out to the tabloids to make a buck. I’d ditch him too! The rest of her family(besides her mom) sound like kooks. I’d have nothing to do with them either. They said they’d work towards financial independence. Let’s see what they do before we tar and feather them. Harry has stated before that none of them want to be king or queen, so let him move on. They should have come out with a joint statement with the palace so there wouldn’t be all if this unnecessary drama. However, the palace knew this was coming.
Aw I feel depressed reading these comments. I’m sad for Meghan and Harry and I can’t blame them for wanting out! I live in the UK, and I’ve been shocked at the newspapers here and how they have treated her, I can’t believe anyone thinks that Kate had the same treatment?? Perhaps in the US you haven’t seen this? What I find unbelievable is that Andrew was on tv here just before Christmas basically being proven to be a paedophile, yet this gets more outrage? Brexit Britain never changes, always protecting the establishment. My over riding memory of Harry will always be the small 12 year old made to walk behind the gun carriage at his mother’s funeral in front of thousands of hysterical bystanders. Look at those photos of him, his mother was harassed to death, the paparazzi took photos of her body in Paris, and you wonder why he wants out after the same has started happening to his wife. I looked at the news stands today as I got the train to work and felt depressed at the bullying front pages and subtle racism.
Thank you, MrsVC. Agree 100 percent.
Thank you!
Once more with feeling… we really don’t care about the UK stuff over here. We have no international channels and for the most part, While we do find the glimpses we get into the royal family interesting, you kind of have to go out of your way to know what they are up to. It’s not like it is on the news every night. I mean we are interested, but..most of us do not go out of our way to seek info. But clearly as the comments show here, we do kinda want to know what is going on.
How true. I think it is ridiculous that no one questions why the queen and the rest of her family never defended MM from the leaks and attacks. I read it Williams’s team were feeding MM info in exchange for killing stories of his cheating on his wife.
I’m from the UK and have never been a MM fan, being a royal is not about celebrity. Catherine has taken on her role beautifully and still gets her freedoms, she recently spent time working with a midwifery team in hospital and they community, under the radar. It’s not like Meghan didn’t know what she was getting into, and or send like they still want the funding, the security , the ‘cottage’ ( it’s huge) but with none of the responsibility or obligation. It doesn’t work like that. As for Harry, well he’s literally royally fucked it. She’ll leave him at some point and then he’ll have nothing.
Oh and I don’t think there’s less outage about Andrew’s paedophilia, most people just aren’t surprised
And of course the sex with young girls has not yet been proved, just his being comfortable accepting hospitality and friendship from a convicted paedophile and his ridiculous interview saying he never met Virginia Roberts.
Clearly he did, and she asked for a fan photo to show her mum. But that hardly proves he had sex with her – royals must have people wanting selfies with them all the time – like celebrities do. Obviously you would not remember them – but hard to deny a photo of at least being side by side in a room.
A fan photo to show her mum?? I honestly can’t believe the comments on this article – but this is the worst. Accusations aside, he was happy to use tax payers money for partying and holidays, he had no problem entertaining a convicted paedophile, but it’s Meghan that’s the problem there are rumours that she’s bossy and we will believe those without proof because that fits our decision that her face doesn’t fit!
Sorry to upset you mrsvc, but Virginia is reported as having told the FBI that she got the photo for her mum when she have it to them years ago.
Life is not always black and white, but usually shades of grey.
It’s been front page outrage here in Oz & in the UK. But I agree with you, the only person who I think was surprised about Andrew was the Queen! The tragedy is some ways is that he has been rightfully retired while the Sussexes could have been a new progressive face of the Monarchy, along with the Cambridge’s as they tackle mental health openly etc. Its sad.
I also guess people see events through their cultural lens & therefore with race a historically deep seated issue stemming from slavery within the American context – not saying it isn’t an issue within the UK & The Commonwealth it’s just different – that people see racism as the defining factor in this situation. However the majority of the UK & The Commonwealth were overjoyed to welcome Meghan into the fold, a representative of the reality of the twenty first century family.
I think her pattern of failing to maintain close relationships within her own family & friendship circles & her pursuit of celebrity connections at the expense of Hatrry’s long standing friendships is more reflective of her problematic behaviour, as well as her refusal to conform to the expected behaviour of a Royal. (I’m pretty sure no one was excited to Welcome Donald Trump to Buck House, but as Royalty must be politically impartial they all sucked it up and were gracious under pressure, however the Duchess was too woke to do her duty.)
Sometimes strength is not bucking the status quo but rather enduring to hold oneself and others to a higher ideal. Clearly the Royal family what’s been willing to redefine their role to support their happiness and Harry’s mental health, but this immature & impatient pair were too narcissistic & stupid to grasp the complexity of dismantling a 600 year old institution & despite the problems facing the UK & the Commonwealth with the economic crisis, Brexit & natural disasters they felt despite their privilege they must come first. They just had to lay low & enjoy Archie while it was sorted. Selfish.
Spot. On.
Her father has never been involved in her life.
??? There are multiple photos of them together looking very close – she as a baby and right through to when she was college age. Have a look on Google. In photos you see he was a nice-looking man till he got old and sick. She first got interested in acting because of hanging around on film sets, as he was a leading lighting director. Doria also met him on a film set as in those days she was a makeup artist. Only a social worker relatively recently – has had various careers.
What problematic behavior? Please provide one non-sexist non-racist behavior?
Look, I am interested in your comments. BUT I am not cool with you attacking my readers. Talk about your opinion on the topic without attacking others,
You and your readers really need to take a history class a class on micro and macro racism. It’s not attacking them it’s pointing out the hypocrisy and obvious racial biases and the sexism. Oh the black woman forced poor harry to leave. It’s not real racism unless white people feel it is? You are refusing to acknowledge the series of racist actions against her and not seeing that Harry is protecting his family.
That is your point of view. It is not shared by me or the (obviously Indian) UK Home Secretary, Priti Patel who has now said the racisim charge is not true. She has seen nothing racist in the critical press. She has thrived in UK and feels people of all ethnic groups can. She is proud of multiculturalism in UK. One of two people may have made mean personal, race-based comments – but so do black people against whiltes, We ignore it if we are wise, and realise these trolls of any colour are not us and should not be listened to. We don’t sit down and have a pity party about it and try to make out it is mainstream thinking.
I am thinking of the black person who thought it a good idea to put a post on the Duchess of Cambridge’s birthday post on Instagram this week – thanking people for their kind wishes for her birthday. This troll wrote: “All I see is a useless precious little white princess”. I doubt very much that Duchess of Cambridge let this nastiness ruin her day. But a lot of people who are sick of the race card being played would have noticed the nasty comment and thought: Yes. Great example to the nation of how a troll operates.
As I commented to you before in this thread look for and associate with people who are not racist – look for the good in people. The vast majority of people are not racist and we all need to be resilient instead of expecting everyone to have our precise perspective – what fun would that be if we all thought the same??
I have repeatedly many times here that I do not follow “the royals” it is not my thing. But multiple people have posted here that Meghan’s child was called a monkey. THAT IS RACISM. And it is horrible. And people are assholes.
I generally think I am smarter than a lot of people. But this particular topic is out of my depth. I appreciate your informed opinion. I just wish that ERRYBODY would stop personally attacking each other. That is all.
Also, I never blamed Meghan for any of this. Harry is a know rebel. That much I do know. I have seen negative press on Meghan. But again, This is not a subject I know much about. I watched part of the wedding and that was about it.
@KGsayssays.. If you want to pick a fight with me on my site, I regret to inform you that I am an unarmed opponent here. That is why I am reading and learning from all the commenters. You included. I am however well aware of racism. When my family returned from living and working in Africa, I was called a towel head and a sand (n-word) for years after my teachers introduced me as Tamara from Africa.
Yes, the monkey comment was not something I had seen. Of course it is racist. I looked into it and found it was one individual. Noone applauded that and he was fired from his job – so I think that shows the system in general does not support racism.
Again, I am not familiar enough with the subject to argue it either way. I wish I was. I love to argue. 🙂
Her fathers side of the family rejected her and that pathetic trashy sister is obviously jealous. She has maintained great relationships. Her son is in Canada with a long time friend. Serena Williams threw her that lavish baby shower. She is very close to her Mom.
This was planned but the press was going to leak before details were worked out so they got in front of it.
MM is intelligent and media savvy. How dear she refuse the racist, xenophobic abuse and take control of her life. She was raised by a strong, classy, independent, dignified woman.
Love & respect were not being served at that table and she justifiably walked away.
Love it!
Mackie40 your comments are giving me life tonight! Rational, balanced and without any insult, you are the commenter I wish was in a few of the Facebook group’s I frequent!
Thank you for such a kind comment!! You have truly made my day.
So many typos I’m most of a bottle of prosecco in. Apologies.
TT, thanks for putting up this post. I thought nothing of the situation until I started reading the comments.
I can’t wait to get through all of them, very interesting.
I agree, thank you TT for the post and commencing comments. I honestly don’t know what to think at this point!
Obviously this is a very complex situation. I tend to side on being yourself but family, no matter is pretty important.
There are a lot of families here we can relate to personally. If we can’t relate by family we can relate by our friends and our friend’s families how lost must we feel to separate ourselves?
I do not understand the pressure these (royal) kids feel, pretty sure I’d have cracked too. Even the Queen cracked a bit back in the the day but there was no where near the media there is now and she is one smart savvy woman to the crown. GB I’m sure will hold her in high regard, forever.
I can’t believe everyone forgets the horrible treatment of “Waity Katie” by the press. Maybe because I’m a few years younger than Kate and Meghan, and celebrity gossip has always been my favorite hobby, but I remember it all. I think one press outlet even interviewed Kate’s ex-boyfriends after William proposer to see if she was saving herself for marriage. And let’s be honest, Britney Spears was the princess we all wanted and deserved. I think people got that same feeling with Meghan at first, but que sera, sera.
Yes and when did they call her ghetto or say she was an angry sassy negro? Stfu
The press said Kate was a layabout leech just waiting on William to propose. They mocked her mother for having been a flight attendant. They said the whole family were just schemers trying to get their hands on William. There is no question the press was extremely rude and unfair to Kate and the Middletons–it is only after years of proving themselves that the articles regarding Kate and her family have changed.
Let’s just shut the racist discussion down now, and exclude it from the dialog.
Even if she experienced racism, WHCH BY THE WAY, SHE NEVER ACKNOWLEDGED, then it is OK for her to go into the “private sector” and do what she wants?Take her bi racial child to America, “which is so much more evolved than England” and quit the life she had the knowledge and experience to endure and re work? Hello.
Isn’t the better argument that she stay and educate, promote, change the minds of the heathens? Use your position granted to you, given to you, to make a deeper change? Your deep love for your husband, and your child? If youve got the strength of feminism, I fail to see it here. Well, according to many, she should cry justification, take her toys, and go home. No justification here people. Especially with the blood of her son. Get it together sister.
I like your comment.
It was very much acknowledged by Harry when they confirmed their relationship in an official statement via the palace actually : ‘His girlfriend Meghan Markle, has been subject to a wave of abuse and harassment… the smear on the front page of a national newspaper; the racial undertones of comment pieces’ and the outright sexism and racism of social media trolls and web article comments.’
They have no obligation to subject themselves and their son to the vitriol of the press. It does not matter what they do, they get attacked for it. I used to feel so sorry for William and Harry when they were growing up. If one of them had a tantrum or picked their nose, they were attacked on the front page of the tabloids. Maybe they want better for Archie. They are human beings and have the right to self determination.
Exactly who can blame them
Who knew y’all would have so much to say about this I’ve enjoyed getting caught up on the comments. This isn’t exactly my area of expertise. All I know for sort of sure is that Harry has 38 million dollars or so and doesn’t need to get a job at a full service gas station. They will be fine. They deserve happiness just like everyone else.
Agreed.
I can only speak to my own experience growing up in the U.K. as a child in the sixties. My mother was Puerto Rican, half black, half Hispanic and my father was Irish. My father was an engineer who worked for a large US company tasked with locating properties and getting the ball rolling on opening factories in Europe and Africa. We were based out of London and that is where I attended ‘Public’ school. That is what the English call private schools. My classmates came in all colors and ethnicities. The British are not so much racists as they are class-ists. As Americans with money (the U.K. was not far past rationing at that time), I had my issues at school. It had nothing to do with my race as I have inherited my father’s blond hair and blue eyes. It had everything to do with how posh you were. I had many a bruised shin from being kicked under the dining table for not holding my utensils correctly or following proper form. Manners are everything. I will say that many times people were confused as to whether my mother was an extremely well-dressed Nanny who wore diamonds and pearls, lol. We actually had a Nanny who was Danish. My mother experienced racism twice while we were there. She shut it down quickly. We lived in a new American-style neighborhood with many very posh, British neighbors and Americans that worked for Aramco. They all loved my mother and my parents kept in touch with many of them over the years. I love England and the English and hope to travel back there in the next year or two. Meghan was a pushy broad, barging in front of the Queen while looking like a hot mess, carrying an attitude of do you know who I am, hogging seats at Wimbledon as she couldn’t stand to be around the great unwashed and the Brits took the piss out of her. She got what she deserved. Harry is a Prince of the Blood and cannot lose his HRH but HM can damn sure take his Dukedom, Earldom and Baronetcy especially since the Letters of Patent have never been filed. She and the PoW can cut them off and the Queen can charge rent on Frogmore too. Old Rachel is a fool if she thinks she can outwit the courtiers with the long knives because trust me, they are out. Has Archie’s birth even been registered? An RAF fb page with a meme featuring a still of DanielCraig as 007 and the Queen walking down the hall of BP from the Olympics. The text reads ‘Just the Yank bitch 007, I’ll take care of the ginger twat’ lol
That’s only because you look white. It wasn’t just twice it was constant. Your white looks have shielded you from actually being a victim of overt racism. If you stopped to think you would find tons of instances of racism.
Why are you so fucking anger with my reader? Perhaps this is not the site for you?
I agree, Tamara. Kgsays may not know we dont personally attack and call names to other commenters. We actually show respect to one another.
Well, sometimes I will call a bitch, a bitch.
My mother did not look nor was she white. Race was a very open subject in our family probably before you were born. I spoke of mine and her experience. And you are flat out wrong. She never, ever felt she was a victim of anything.
This warped view and reasoning isjust sad. Try to look for the good in people and you might find it.
Please educate me. Don’t belittle me or state the obvious… that I don’t understand racism and how that feels … as a middle aged white woman, I have no idea! You’re right! Please tell me how it feels, tell me how you internalize those horrible comments, tell me about the hurt, the sadness and the anger. Help me to understand more. I think most of us can have empathy and be equally as angry and upset that this exists and is tolerated. Just because I’m not in it doesn’t mean I can’t have compassion or feel for those who live it. I love the conversation here and the differing opinions and views. On every subject … Royals, media, race, motherhood, pussy whipping husbands! Saying “you can’t understand how racism feels” (paraphrasing) ends the conversation. I could easily say “you don’t know what having a child with special needs feels like” but I’d rather inform you, feel the compassion, educate and work towards inclusion for all and the end of this disgusting division.
I have been waiting days for someone to reply to your comment from the oppressed point or view. I love your comment and am sad that people would rather argue with one another than open a meaningful dialogue from this beautifully written comment. Thank you for posting it. I hope someone, even just one person who has experienced racism reads this and replies accordingly. I applaud your effort.
Great post, TT. I pray that at least a few of these posters research the racism M & H have had to endure, and I understand why they want to be alllll the way away from the shit. A whole lot of Black folks like me are cheering H & M for putting family first, seeing as the monarchy already has a minimum of six successive heirs in place. They need to go and live their BEST life.
Amen, well said Shay.
Bet there are a whole lot more folks willing to take any and all the shit to have H & M’s lifestyle, security, access to the best education for their children, solid roof over their head, fully stocked fridge and pantry, quality healthcare, clean running water, a life free from war, gangs, crime …….
So all the hatred stems from jealousy and envy, then. That makes sense because neither Megan nor Harry have done anything to deserve this amount of hate and vitriol.
I do not understand why people are so angry with them. They are under constant attack no matter what they do. I hope they are able to make a happy life for themselves.
One other thing, Meghan has dug up Diana’s corpse and she and Harry have dragged it all over the world. Let her Rest In Peace FFS. No wonder he can’t move on. Well played Meghan. Keep him emotionally off-balance so you can manipulate him. I know a raging narc when I see one. They make lousy friends, partners, children but, in particular, parents.
Lmaooooo….Diana has come out of every-fucking-person’s mouth since the day she married Charles. Miss me with that bullshit. No one has let Diana rest, and I for damn sure believe she would object to ill-informed non-royals speaking on her son about how they are offending her memory. Diana loves“d her children above EVERYTHING, and I’m certain she would think you are a cunt.
Agreed. Why on earth is anyone dragging Princess Di? NOE. Just NOE.
Because the press and Kensington palace threw her under the rug calling her horrible and harassing her for hugging her children. Diana was scolded and called an attention whore and evil and a stain with her common ways, why? Because Charles was caught boinking camilla. Stop being a typical south Carolinian and denying the real horrible racism and horrific treatment of Meghan.
Why are you attacking my commenters rather than discussing the topic? PLEASE READ THE MOTHERFUCKING COMMENTING RULES!
Diana never had “common ways” . She was never accused of that. She was an aristocrat and that always showed in her manners.
Diana’s Father was an Earl – she was landed gentry and her ancestry was more a Royal than Charles – she was related to King Charles II LOL
Huh? Say what, now? Dug up Diana’s corpse and dragging it all over the world? A bit too dramatic and a little Stephen King-ish.
Tamara, I love you beyond measure. I am headed to the next post, as Project Runway is one of my favorite shows due to its diversity.
Love you back. And thanks for being a long time reader. I always enjoy your comments. xo ~tt
Thank you, my love, cuz I feel like drunk posting tonight (warning, Will Robinson ???), and this thread ain’t the vibe I’m tryna roll with, ?
I am so glad that the USA left the monarchy behind almost 250 years ago! The fact that the poor taxpayers in the UK are stuck with the huge bill for all this nonsense just blows my mind.
Harry and Meghan can do what they want, on their own dime. I do think Meghan is going to ditch Harry– what is he to her without his royal connection, and she has bigger fish to fry. She seems to have a habit of using and then ghosting most people in her life. I was raised by a narcissist, and I can see it in her. She’s only interested in what you can do for her. Once she’s extracted what she wants from you, she’s onto the next sucker. I feel sorry for baby Archie– I know what he’s in for. Hope I’m wrong.
I don’t want you to be right but fear you are 🙁
You can twist and turn this anyway you want in a negative way and/or positive way regarding Meghan and Harry. The bottom line is they have the right to raise their child how and where they want. I am just sick of the castigation of those who want to live their life in a way different than the expectations of society, family or birthright.
I am also sick of the cancel culture, aka angry mob too.
I’m sick of paying for the so called freedom of the privileged – live your way, pay your way as I & 99% of the world do. They are not owed anything.
He had NO CHOICE he was born into this life,
And he just wants OUT.
I agree, I think he is done. Everyone can blame it on his new wife but I think Harry has been looking for an eject button for a very long time. Now he has someone to do it with him and stand by his side. I didn’t realize they had their dogs in Canada with them. This seems like they have put a lot of thought and planning into this decision.
I think there is truth in that – he now has the opportunity to exit the Royal bubble and be responsible for funding his own life and find some peace.
It’s just a pity he chose to rent a Russian arms dealer’;s home on Vancouver Island, but that won’t worry the dogs.
But, according to his website, out with 95% pay and UK public paying for his protection. I think this is the point rufus is making. Noone wants to cut down on his choices – but financial independence means just that – not still expecting daddy to support you for work you no longer want to do but that will have to be done by someone else in the family.
I agree but do think that they should do whatever they like with the caveat that if they don’t want to participate in the job of being a royal then don’t trademark Sussexroyal and say you are stepping back. Hypocritical to try and reap the benefits of everything that goes with being royal when others are actually doing the job. Forgo your titles and trademark you own names. People would have more respect for that.
As for the racism of course there is going to be some. Sadly there is evil in the world that can never be eliminated. I had no idea that she was African-American until the wedding. Unless you follow this closely most people judge Megan on her behavior rather that the very few that hate her for her heritage. Trying to paint everyone who doesn’t agree with her actions as a racist is ignorant. I am not naive but do believe most people agree on the evils of racism and do not participate in it.
I think you are absolutely right Sasha. And sadly even Kate is getting racist comments put on her Instagram for being white – presumably from bitter people of colour. An especially nasty comment was put on her birthday thanks post – what kind of person would do that? People of colour need to realise that most people of any race, as you say, are not racist and the aggro from some people of colour is misplaced.
Kate and Meghan have both been talked about badly. Agree everyone? Kate was just used to the nasty tabloids and ready for all this bullshit. Meghan probably thought she could handle it, but who could? Not me. Her husband is trying to protect her from all of this and just has had enough. So they’re gone. Live with it.
I think Meghan and Harry are doing what is best for themselves and their child. I also feel that inside Harry has a fear of what happened to his mother. So I think they made a decision together. He is not whipped, he is a man, a husband and a father now. He is doing what he wants that he feels is best for his family.
And now, with social media, times are worse than ever. I would leave if I felt my family was being portrayed poorly or it could do some damage to my family’s mental state of health. I know it seems weird leaving, but it is not a scandal. They just want out.
I don’t understand all this talk about Meghan. A narcissist, a master manipulator.. the list goes on. They fell in love, got married. The end. She is not this evil manipulator trying to bring the Royal family down.
The thing that makes me most sad is I don’t think Harry and William are close. I thought they would be close, but they don’t seem to be. They are very different. Well, at least I hope they don’t dislike each other. Princess Diana would want them to love each other and be there for each other as well.
I find it ironic how all the vitriol is directed towards Meghan, yet Harry is just as equally a part of this decision. Harry has always marched to a different drummer; been more sensitive, expressed his disdain for the press and the role he believes they played in his mother’s death and the scrutiny of his parentage (ie Charles not being his father).
Imagine growing up and living with that. It’s not surprising now that he has a family of his own, he is zooming into over protective mode given that background. It is by accident of birth that he is in this position. He has a right to try and carve out something different than his brother or father choose. He knows the intimate details of the sacrifices they have had to make and maybe he wants something different. The logistics will be messy and they probably will make some mistakes. But he has a right to try and figure it out.
The New York Times wrote a great article called “Black Britons Know Why Meghan Markle Wants Out’ detailing the racist, classist treatment Meghan and Britons of color endue…it’s worth a read for those carrying on about how Princess Kate has been treated just as badly or how racism didn’t factor into this decision.
Again missing the point – no one denies they have been hounded & are unhappy. It’s the way they have conducted their exit and the expectation of living on tax payers money and the financial commodification of their Royal connections that is drawing ire. There many valid reasons for their personal desire to withdraw with race being among them – but the New York Times doesn’t pay for their lifestyle.
They don’t have an expectation to live off of taxpayers! It doesn’t set out any of their plans on their website- clearly nothing has been sorted but a basic intentions, they have stated that they wish to be financially independent. Why do you keep talking about this like it’s fact? Have you been given a different public statement in Australia?
I urge you to revisit what was taught to you in your world history class (assuming you had one). Brush up on your reading about how the monarchy works and how the royals get paid, what their expected roles are in order to receive their incomes, the protocol, and it’s function. Don’t skip the part about Wallis Simpson. Oh, and please read it from a book and not google or Wikipedia. Once you have a good grasp on how it all works, please re-read the statement put out by SussexRoyal, with a fresh set of educated eyes. Then please rejoin the conversation. ?
Thanks for the patronising reply. I am sorry didn’t know I was dealing with such intellect how silly of me and you know so much about the British National Curriculum- wow! I did take a history class thank you very much, I actually have a 2:1 (just missed a 1st damn it) in Classics from Warwick University- it’s a very difficult degree course to get on lots of ancient history and Latin involved (you may need to use Google as I suspect you don’t know as much about this country as you pretend to). At no point in my very expensive British education did I ever receive a history lesson in how the present day monarchy earn their money, why? Because it has absolutely nothing to do with History that’s why. If you think you understand it better than me fine – I doubt you do, just as I doubt very much that you were taught how the British Royal Family earn money and protocols in an American school. Why would anyone need to learn that let alone an American?! – stop trying to put people down to argue with them because you can’t actually articulate yourself as well as you think you can.
So you have a classics degree in Ancient History – congrats me too! – Sydney University with a Rhodes Scholar postgraduate study in Cambridge! – but you don’t know your own constitutional history?
Well I suppose Ancient History ends in about 500 AD & the seeds of the Constitutional Monarchy are not laid until post English Revolution in1689 – 1701.
Methinks your very xpensiveand difficult education may have some gaps.
MrsVC I swear I heard violins playing as I read of your illustrious background.
Extraordinary a woman of your education knows nothing of the Duchy, the many hard-working farmers and others that generate its income and its purpose and management, to ensure a huge fund to support the Crown.
I apologize if I came off as patronizing. However, I’m even more dumbfounded that you were educated in the UK and still can’t read between the lines of the statement of intentions given on SussexRoyal. I’m trying to stay on topic here so I don’t feel the need to post my personal CV. “They have stated that they wish to be financially independent “…. THIS IS THE ISSUE. They go on to say that they want to keep their titles and money, and, and , and… My understanding is that they plan to monetize their titles which is forbidden or at the very least extremely tacky. It’s like asking an employer to give you the company salary and perks for not working. Your vitriol is not much different than the tabloids. Once more with feeling, they are asking for others to continue to fund their lavish lifestyle which is the reason for the anger, especially from the taxpayers who pay for their expensive security. Evidently, 30-40 million is not enough for them to walk away with. Not to mention that they broke protocol by announcing their intentions without the expressed blessing from the Queen. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out how ridiculous and entitled their plan sounds. So, no need to attack me personally again. Plenty of others have tried to explain it to you so if you still don’t get it then fuck off. (In America that means fuck off) ?
Their website clearly states Harry still expects the 95% of his income he gets from the Duchy – some millions of dollars a year. This is what has paid for expensive clothes and trips and other lavish spending. Charles controls that money as Prince of Wales. This is a hereditary farming and other business interests estate and the money is for the use of the heir to throne and their immediate family BECAUSE they have always carried the biggest load of work in supporting the Crown. William will inherit the Duchy when Charles becomes King. At present William and Harry are paid about the same out of it and Harry wants to go on collecting the same after walking away from the public community support work – which will need to be spread around other family members as William will not be able to pick it all up.
So Harry still thinks his family should financially support his private life while he tries to get “financial independence ” where his biggest hope of making money is trading on the family name and reputation.
The big expense for UK taxpayers will be police protection. Scotland Yard has estimated this will amount to well over a million UK pounds a year as there are 6 expert and highly paid police guarding Harry, and it gets very expensive when they are out of UK and travelling.
Then there are Commonwealth country taxpayers who pay the costs, including security and events, when a royal visits – a visit cost mounts to millions very quickly. It would become bludging off hosts if the royal is not actually even on Crown business, but doing their own thing.
Not sure if this new situation is costing Canada yet, but Canadian police used to guard Harry when he was visiting Toronto to go out with Meghan. I believe UK police are over with them in Canada at the moment as it started off as just a “holiday” for them..
The thing is, Harry had a very big inheritance from Diana and Meghan has money. Many people think if they want to do their own thing, by all means do, but they should pay their own expenses out of their own money and not be bludgers.
Harry and Meghan already have a history of bludging off other rich people like Elton John to get free private travel and holiday opportunities and luxuries.
Charming ? FYI I posted my education because, even though I wasn’t being nasty – just stating an opinion, I was told that I was evidently asleep in History classes, so I thought it was funny as I clearly wasn’t. I also used it as a reference to show that I had had a long education in the very country that the monarchy are and had never had these lessons on how the monarchy works. But you are right I am not any way near as clever as you three pretentious so and so’s and can’t understand statements in the way you can. I will stay off this reality show gossip site as I am obviously not bright enough for the comments section.
It is certainly a very much more complex topic with a lot more to the background history and rules than a Bravo reality show.
Go well.
Of course you posted the ostentatious details of your education to belittle we posters who challenged your assumption we lacked an understanding of how the Monarchy is funded – and you call us pretentious?
Also just because you watch reality TV doesn’t mean you are stupid.
Too true. Loving the Oz mongrel in your comment, Rufus. Am married to one.
Ozzies are generally clear-eyed and straight.
Oh my word you three are crazy!! Any of my comments on here were saying the following- I feel sorry for them, I think she did receive unnecessary harassment and I will take them at there word that they want to be financially independent. Nothing nasty, nothing pretending to be some sort of Royal expert. And yet you three felt the need to reply to my comments and one of those by IGC said that I was stupid – needed a history class and that apparently the monarchy was taught in detail at school. My reply to a really nasty comment was – actually I have a very good education and studied history thank you very much and in that education which I doubt had holes in it children in the UK are taught very little about the inner workings of the monarchy. You are the ones on this board literally telling anyone who doesn’t agree with you that they don’t understand the monarchy and telling people they are stupid. Saying things like “methinks Your education had gaps” is pretentious.
Bravo. I agree wholeheartedly. This is not about the wokeness of a culture but rather how two individuals choose to live their lives. The Queen’s father became King because his own brother abdicated. So why his Harry so wrong for doing virtually the same thing. The Queen would not be the Queen had her Uncle, Edward VIII, not abdicated as King. Colonialism has definitely played a huge role into how Ms. Markle is viewed in the UK. I wish the two of them a beautiful & loving life…just like their Uncle who chose to abdicate.
Exactly
I’ve not said anything about not wanting the Sussexes to not be happy or free from a constrained life that impacts negatively on their mental health & happiness.
What I have repeatedly questioned was the expectations outlined clearly within the statement they released based upon my knowledge of how the UK funds the Royal family. Just because they have suffered does not allow them poor behaviour or the right to live lavishly on public funds.
I’m not going to apologise for understanding an aspect of your government that you don’t – you were the one who scoffed at the notion of individuals who have not been born & bred in the UK understanding how the Westminster System & the Constitutional Monarch works in an insulting manner & you brought your education into the discussion not me.
I’ve not told people they are stupid, I’ve said that many of the comments lack an understanding of the purpose and function of British Royalty as their comments suggest they think that the money these people live off is family money earned like the Rothschilds, the Getty’s, The Morgan’s, Vanderbilts, the Hilton’s, the Packers, the Murdock’s & The Reinhardts etc who personal fortunes were made and inherited. They are not Celebrities like Elton John or the Cloony’s who achieved wealth & fame from their own merits. An accident of birth gave both Harry his privilege & his chains.
The Royal families income is derived from Crown land held in trust for the British people & in the 1980’s they had to make the landscpay to fund their own upkeep of these trust estates & now had to pay tax! That’s why Harry & Meghan don’t get to walk off with a chunk of cash – particularly as they have their own money. The deal is represent the country within Royalty ‘s rigid frame work, have no political opinions & do philanthropic work within the boundaries.
Royalty is special because it’s not commodified. Meghan doesn’t understand this & as a very forthright, outspoken & independent individual she is clearly unsuited to a role she has not been acculturated to understand. And Harry clearly just hates it.
Rufus I actually really appreciate your understanding and some of your comments on here are very interesting. I mean this in a genuine, non sarcastic / patronising way – you know what you are talking about and have more knowledge on this than I do. As I said I bought up my education in a reply to a really nasty comment from IJC who said I missed my history lessons and I was stupid and to come back when I had stopped using google as a reference (hadn’t even referenced anything??!) I didn’t bring it in to conversation with you. I didn’t scoff at people not being born and bred in the UK knowing more about Government than those that live here – that is not my opinion at all – I was replying to that same commenter who said in another comment to me down thread the the way the monarchy earn money was taught in British schools, I was replying that between that two of us an American and a Brit, who has a better idea of what is taught at British schools after being told I was wrong and it was by an American. I was attacked- called stupid – told to Fuck off. Sorry for being so defensive to come back and say actually I’m not stupid and I understand history.
I am an open minded individual, who has been well educated and considers themselves to be fairly bright. I like to ask questions and debate – I’m not rude and I am also open to changing my mind on things. I have on many things.
Oh and sorry to have fallen out with a fellow Classics alumni who also like Bravo TV. I really should be excited that another person like this exists, I am usually relentlessly teased for watching the Real Housewives.
@MrsVC, Thank you for getting my name correct this time. I never once called you stupid or any other names. You are the one who scoffed that I couldn’t possibly understand what I was talking about and said that you didn’t believe it when I explained what I was taught in my American school. You went on to be very condescending so I returned the favor. You couldn’t let it drop, put words in my mouth and called all of us pretentious after posting unnecessarily your entire educational background. That was rich. You are still on here belaboring your inaccurate perceptions. I tired of your incessant babbling and insults so, yes, I told you to fuck off. Yet here you still are, continuing to babble because you were offended. You offended others as well, just so we’re clear on that. I really don’t give a shit anymore but I won’t sit back and have you put words in my mouth when all my comments are here for the reading. Never once called you a name, much less called you stupid (even if I was quietly thinking it in my head) For the love of all things Holy, please give it a rest!!!
MrsVC, you also went on to insult this blog and everyone who watches reality tv. Have you ever even read the commenting rules here? You are clearly just looking for an argument and can’t stay on topic. But you really made me angry by claiming that I said things that I never did. You are a lying liar who lies. You also seem like one of the perpetually offended. You are not a victim here, so please stop trying to act like one. It’s annoying AF.
Rufus, I am fairly certain 1) The Duchy lands are private lands of the Crown, not held in trust for the British people, with special considerations. ; 2) Taxes paid on the income from the Duchy are done voluntarily, not required. No property taxes or business taxes are collected. Capital gains must be reinvested.
I’m sorry David didn’t have a long very life – he collaborated with Nazi’s, struggled financially & spent most of the remainder of his life trying to find a purposeful role within the institution he had rejected. His brother & niece knew their could only be one Sovereign which is why they were exiled to Paris. Modern Historians don’t actually believe that Wallis Simpson actually wanted to marry him at all – she just loved the perks of Royal life, while he was desperate to get out of a job he felt ill equipt for. The love story of the ags is pretty mush bs – all seen in the letters she wrote to her ex husband! Pretty juicy stuff.
Hmmm ? Will have to look into this! It has always been sold as a love story against the odds, you’re right, maybe it wasn’t.
Hey not sure where this will fall…. but to no one in particular… let’s just try to be a bit more open to other’s opinions? Just a thought? And perhaps reread the commenting rules. You can find them on the black link box above.
In my opinion, PH and/or MM were very calculating and knew exactly what kind of sh*t storm this would cause. They left their son in B.C. and went home to drop the news to the Queen, then MM ran back to B.C., leaving PH to deal with the fall out. If they hadn’t planned it, they wouldn’t have left the baby here in Canada.
I think they’re having a temper tantrum because the palace/institution didn’t back them up on their lawsuit with the British press, so they’re taking their kid and getting out. I can tell you that the Canadian taxpayers don’t want to be on the hook for their security anymore than we already have been.
My take on it was that The Queen was aware of what they wanted to do since early December and the only thing she had asked was to have a sit down and iron out all the details to make the transition smooth. Apparently, M&H only gave the Queen, Charles, and William 10 minutes notice. I feel sorry for Grandma the Queen and even more sorry for William and Kate’s little ones, who seemingly may not get to grow up around M&H’s Archie and any other children they might have potentially. I think Meghan is beautiful, made a beautiful bride, etc., but she’s come off as kinda bossy to me, as she seemed to go through staff members like water, but heck, I don’t really know her either. I just know I would personally disrespect my 93-year-old grandmother, queen or no queen. That makes me sad. And I really wish Harry and William would get over whatever it is that caused the rift between them – I think William has always seemed at least to look out for his little brother and worry about him – it’s sad they’ve had some kind of a falling out, whatever the reason. Since I recently lost my only sibling, my older brother, very quickly to cancer (8-9 weeks from diagnosis until death), I’m a little overemotional about family rifts because my family was constantly full of them and now that I am the only living member left of my immediate family, I will just say that life is FAR FAR too short for these spats/disagreements because in a hot minute, you can be the last one left and it really, really sux. My brother was significantly older than me and we had a lot of problems due to his alcoholism/drug use and his bordering on sociopathic personality, but to be honest, for as long as I can remember, I idolized my older brother, even when he made me miserable as a child and as an adult. Hope this family, albeit a royal family, can work through all this mess and form a strong bond again.
The family rift is so sad. The two little boys behind the coffin, now at odds.
You clearly do not understand the statement – they are willing to give up their percentage of The Sovereign Grant – this is 5% of their income & paid for by the British taxpayer. The Crown lands of Windsor Castle where Frogmore Cottage is situated is held by the Crown at the best of the British people who have funded more than restoration but also extension. Unlless they choose to pay roughly 60 000 pounds annually in rent they will be left vying at the cost of the British taxpayer.
Prince Charles has stewardship over the Duchy of Cornwall for the British people and it was he who organised to monetise the rural area to provid employment & pay tax to help off set the cost of the Minarchy on the British people – not to fund a high flying private jet luxury existence of his family.
Prince Andrews disgrace has had him cut off from the Sovereign Grant & he has paid for his daughters security out of his own finances as have The a Earl and Countess of Wessex. His income comes now fully privately from the Queen.
Princess Margarets children & grandchildren work to support themselves.
The Princess Royals children have no titles & support themselves in adulthood & she is paid by the Sovereign Grant as she undertakes a huge amount of Royal duties.
They have also stated they will not be relinquishing their Royal Security Detail – this runs to millions & again is at the cost of the British taxpayer & the countries of the Commonwealth they visit – ie, they live in Canada, the Canadian tax payer pays millions of dollars.
Their notion of “financial independence” is to monetise their connection to the Royal family – this is forbidden & considered crass. The UK & The Commonweath have constitutional or diplomatic ties to the Crown through the will of thei people, not through Divine Sovereign Right & therefore NO member of the Royal family has the right to profit from their access to The Crown. That’s why Sarah Ferguson has been shunned.
These are the facts laid out in the statement they issued, however whether or not this is the exit deal they receive is another matter. You need to understand the difference between celebrity & Royalty.
Bless you for trying to explain. I typed several versions and gave up. Ended up urging them to just re-learn their world history and how it all works up thread, evidently while you were typing a condensed lesson. You’re way more patient than me! I’m American and understand this as it was taught in school. I understood exactly what the announcement/statement meant. I’m flabbergasted that other Americans don’t get it. A lot of us Americans loved Diana and get so excited about royal weddings, births, etc., but it blows my mind how few actually understand how the monarchy actually works. I guess many slept through that part of history classes. Lol! It is frustrating trying to have a conversation about it because of this.
Thanks. I’m not doubting the pressures they’ve faced nor the shabby tabloid treatment. It’s just the execution of the plan & the arrogance about their assumptions of funding.
Agreed all this info is readily available- same as I know your constitution, slavery as the context to Civil War & the deep damage inflicted cited upon the people of the US and the resultant discrimation that has continued through the ages to disenfranchiseAfrican Americans & people of colour. It’s just knowing the history of the world we live in.
IGC I would love to know what those lessons about the present day British Monarchy’s finances and mechanism in an American school were like although I doubt they exist. It blows your mind people don’t understand the monarchy works?! That hilarious! We are a tiny little island in Europe – why would Americans need to understand how it works?! You’re cracking me up (that means making me laugh in the UK btw)
Because some people are interested in the way the world works. I find it interesting that you claim that the UK doesn’t have any Civics or Citizenship studies as a part of the school or at least the History syllabus, as they did when I taught school in London. It must be sad to not understand how your own government works
We had Citizenship, didn’t say that we didn’t. It covered lots of topics – didn’t study the Monarchy and how it makes money in any detail. Know how the government works too – studied Politics at A level.
First comment here but was kinda interested by the conversation….as a French person living in London, it makes me wonder what would have happened if we had let the monarchy live…I think the problem is not really that she is biracial but that she is American. In a weird way, I’ve found that racism expresses itself completely differently according to the country where you are and the target is not always race based. Ask someone from Algeria how they feel about tunisians, people from black descent living in the islands how they feel about Africans, heck even ask French people how they feel about British people and you’d be in for a ride (and vice versa). Thing is, if they want out, they can, but don’t continue to get money from the Crown. Their clout alone will insure them a hefty amount of money…without much work.
For Meghan, has she been a victim of racism ? Yes ! But it would have been much the same everywhere else ! Did she help by going to an orphanage in Africa and ended up talking pretty much about how hard it was for her ? Not in my book…For having lived in the US for a bit of time and now in the UK, the culture is VERY different and some things that are accepted in the US is widely frown upon in the UK who takes hierarchy and politeness really seriously. You can’t expect to marry into the epitome of customs and manners and try to change it from the inside..this is a century old dynasty, not the one you see on Netflix. I think Meghan just took of her rose colored lenses…and the Brits did what they usually do with their monarchy.
Bottom line is, we love to build up people just to shred them apart later on, French people do that with their presidents (as if we regretted going on a monarchical and political killing spree in 1789 onwards until Napoleon put an end to it), Americans do that with their celebrities and Britain too to some extent, except that the UK also has a built in system which produces ‘fresh meat’ for a lack of better word every generation that allow us to satiate our most hateful and vindictive instinct (mysoginy, xenophobia, elitism and racism).
Sorry for the ramblings..
Stated beautifully, spot on.
Yes, really interesting reminder that prejudices are everywhere – even between countries – and resilience of mind like your mother’s helps one keep head on straight and not get knocked about by it.
Totally Agree….Spot On
Don’t be sorry. Interesting points of view with reason behind them. Thank you.
I’m reading everyones comments. I’m beyond afraid to say much. I just hope this royal FAMILY finds a way to reconnect and heal as a family. I feel they’re overdue.
If any of you would bother to read the commenting rules you would know I am not a fan of dramatic exits from this site.
And yet, tonight/today I am a bit sad for the first time of a dramatic exit in my email box. I feel like I have said many times that I don’t know much about the royals. I’ve just never been that interested. So with my limited knowledge I would think that marrying Prince Harry would put you under a microscope. I’ve watched exactly two things about this couple: Their Fairy Tale Wedding and some documentary when they went to Africa and talked about how miserable THEY were. I also seem to recall that they might decide to move to “Africa” I think maybe they were in South Africa but frankly I didn’t pay that much attention.
So this person with the dramatic exit, who I don’t think has ever commented here, sent me an email basically calling me a racist and just like Trump for mentioning their love for Africa. I could swear at one point they said they might move there. Am I remembering that wrong?
I am used to”I HATE YOUR AND YOUR STUPID SITE FOR STUPIDS! AND I AM LEAVING FOREVER!”
But this was different. It was clear that I had hurt her in some way as a black women from England. She felt I had trivialized Meghan’s experience.
And for that, and to people who feel that way about me, I apologize.
That said. I do think she knew what she was signing up for. I think she reads the tabloids too much. I think she needs a thicker skin. I get hate mail all the time. I have people posting things about me all the time. I have people posting someone else’s photo and mocking it claiming it is me. Hell I have had entire sites dedicated to trashing me. I could give two shits. I was unaware that the British tabloids where saying racist shit about her child. I might have to cut a bitch for that. But as far as the adults go. JUST GROW UP. The tabloid situation is not going to change whether you live in Africa or Canada or the US. People are assholes. And while I am not into all the royal bullshit in particular. I do sort of think one should respect Queen Elizabeth.
Anyway, thank you to the British lady who sent me the email. I am sorry I offended you. I should probably stop trying to have an opinion on things when I have very limited knowledge on the subject. I am not racist or like Donald Trump in any way. I was literally raised in Africa and constantly whine about wanting to go back but unfortunately my homeland area is unsafe.
TT, I hear you. But remember you cannot be responsible for how people choose to feel offended, when any reasonable person reading the same thoughts would not take offence. You will never know what was in her mind already.
I am writing this as I have now seen some outrage on your social media condemning your few words saying something like, didn’t they like Africa?
Some are jumping to the conclusion you are advocating sending Meghan back to Africa, as if in slave days – rather than just musing on all H & M’s talk of loving Africa and talk of them going to live there maybe.
Some people are triggered very, very easily. The fact they don’t understand the background and have not been following the topic just makes it worse. They fill in the gaps from imagination and their own world view.
One of the things that made me so sad about this whole mess was hearing about how Harry had tried to talk more to Prince Charles and the Queen above his desire to step back from the monarchy and how even when his dad and grandma wanted to meet with him all these courtiers put him off from being able to meet with them because the courtiers didn’t want that to happen.
Can you imagine belonging to a family where you need to book an appointment and get the approval of a secretary just to meet with your dad or your grandma? Yikes!
When I thought of it that way, I really couldn’t blame Harry or Meghan for wanting out for them and for Archie, even though i do think Harry and Meghan hadn’t really throught through everything of how this would play out and the logistics involved in terms of private and public money.
To the others talking about remembering Harry walking behind Diana’s funeral carriage… what sent me into the most awful hysterical sobs about that funeral was the card Harry left on top of the coffin that said “Mummy.”
As for those comparing the press’s treatment of Kate vs. Meghan, I don’t understand the need to pit Kate vs. Meghan here. Yes, the press was absolutely awful to Kate. Not just the waity Katy stuff but even after she and William were totally together chasing her down on holiday in another country to get photos of her sunbathing topless. All the harsh treatment of Kate for needing to step back from duties when pregnant or taking care of newborn babies. If the UK media had not had Meghan to run down the last couple years, things would have been even worse for Kate regarding William’s alleged infidelities issues.If Meghan and Harry do exit the scene, the stuff about Kate can ramp back up at any minute. And I agree with those who say Kate has beared it all gracefully.The thing is though… Kate has a future as the Queen of England and Queen Mother. She has a lot more reason to put up with all this than Meghan or Harry, who is 6th in line for the throne now and his future is not really that different than the Duke of Kent or something.
Good points!
I’m glad she left. The British have treated her appallingly. The dog whistle racism she was subjected to by the tabloids and the commenters was horrifying.
I wish them the very best.
Let’s get spotlight on those two lazies who hate working.
Because of their horribleness, they lost a hard-working royal.
Basically, I don’t give a fuck what y’all think of me or this site. : ) I get hate mail all the live long day. It’s whatever. But this British woman sent me an email that I can’t rest well over or stop thinking about. She accused me of being racist and just like Trump. Which is on it’s face ridiculous. But she was not hostile. She was hurt. And while I can be extremely combative, I certainly didn’t mean anything hurtful by this post.
Sigh.
And also, people tend to just assume my race which is also weird.
Personally, I’ve always been intrigued by the royals. I’m sorry she was hurt and I’m sorry that it’s weighing on you. I just feel like you give us an outlet outside of reality tv topics to voice opinions, vent, rant about what goes on in the world. I appreciate it!
Unintentionally hurting someone is the worst. “You may not have meant to roll over my foot with your car, but my foot is still broken and still hurts!!” I hope she makes herself available to you to have a conversation. If she doesn’t, take whatever lesson you can. Whether it’s how you wrote, what you wrote or what you didn’t write, maybe this Gabe you an insight to adjust how you communicate. I hope you can make peace with it. Great subject .. btw .. loved all the comments and information!
Anytime you put a written opinion out there,some one is going to come back you, accusing you of racism. I get it all the time, because I don’t, evidently, understand the subtle tones… For me, going forward, no, I am not of color. I live in a smaller, rural, white/hispanic area of CA. I will never experience the nuances that black cultures, or whatever I am allowed to call it, do. However, I speak 3 languages, travel, am educated, try to treat people with humanity on a case by case basis, ask God for the forgiveness of sins- and yet I’m still a racist. Not sure how to proceed, so I just do the best I can. I never looked at this Princess as black- race didn’t enter into it for me, (but according to critics, latent racism is in my veins) I just saw a woman who married a man who belongs to an institution, with tradition, rules and decorum. One (or a couple) cannot change 1000 plus years of a dynasty in a mere 24 months-please! But my opinion on that is branded racist.
People’s words burn, but Tamra, you have run a well worded site, with allowance for the crazy, sometimes mean, and very different, and even hostile opinions. Just remember, this woman doesn’t know you, we don’t know you, and you give all of us a chance to vent. Most important feature!!
Well said kkbella! I have a hard time expressing myself with words….thank you to commenters such as yourself who can write so well.
I’ve read many of your comments and they do not come across racist to me. I get what you are saying. I guess I am guilty of not seeing racism in conversations.
Opinions are just that…and we are all entitled to them.
I love this site because it allows me and everyone else to have one. So listen without judgement and hold back snotty remarks and state your case, try to be respectful and if you don’t know… ask.
Peace and Love people!!
Thanks, I am generally unbothered by dramatic exits, But she doesn’t seem to know me at all. Call me a bitch or a cunt… but the things she said had nothing to do with me as a person. I guess I should not give her that much power. But it was very hurtful.
It sounds like she took a lot of frustrations out on you. I feel that if someone doesn’t like it here, like what you have to say, etc, find another site.
I normally agree. But she had such a weird and wrong perception of me, Normally it is I hate you and you suck. This time it was a very respectful email where she was hurt. I’ll get over it I guess. I am fine if you hate me for who I am. It’s a bit painful if you hate me for who I am not… I’m going back to bed, My days and nights are fucked.
I think I know who you are referring to. Her anger towards you was misplaced, imo. She was angry and nasty name calling to other commenters and disrespectful. You barely made any comments on this thread, much less comments that would imply you are racist. Her feelings are hers to deal with. You wrote nothing wrong.
I hate that the dramatic exit is taking such a toll on you. I’m not sure if this will be helpful or make you feel worse BUT I will say I’m a Black woman who visits your site several times a day. The tone of the post made me threaten my own dramatic exit however, I figured if I perused the comments I might be able to back away from the ledge because I don’t think you’re a racist and this might have just been one of those posts that could have used more sensitivity. I appreciate your willingness to acknowledge that someone was hurt by your words and that there may be something to how race is being perceived in this situation. So here I stay.
Thanks. I am still not sure why this is about race. But I am very open to learning. As I have said many times, this whole Royal BS is not something I care about or follow.
I am also emotionally unstable at the moment and not doing well so I am probably not seeing things clearly.
TT, a wise woman once told me not to get upset about what someone from the internet who doesn’t me says something hurtful or mean. Brush it off. Those of us who know you know your good heart. Go back to bed. This thread has gone rogue anyway. I even just told someone to fuck off and you know that’s not like me either. I’m following your lead and going back to bed. xo
No, it is not like you…but it was sooooooo funny tho!! This has been entertaining, thanks for the information on the Royals, even thru all the rogueness I have managed to learn some stuff today!!?
Am I wrong or did they do a whole show that I watched about helping “Africa”. IT WAS A SHOW THAT I WATCHED. But while the were there filming that show they made it all about them.
You are not wrong. That’s exactly what it was. What I don’t get is how they (Meghan and Harry) think that by stepping back the press will leave them alone. The press will never leave them alone unless they go live like hermits somewhere.
The tabloids will be even worse now!!
You are not wrong. Harry and Meghan had a romantic view of Africa and floated the idea of themselves living there.
Their recent visit must have opened their eyes to how shockingly poor people were, and often living in desperate and dangerous circumstances.
Not their scene at all.
Then, while still in that poverty-stricken place, the awful, whining interview, with trembling lips and blinking back tears – how hard their own lives were. How not many people asked if she was OK.
If Meghan had so little genuine empathy for others that she could not see how lucky she is by comparison to women in Malawi, that she was standing amongst, she is going to find it hard to be happy anywhere.
TT, your memory is much better than you give yourself credit for. The documentary was “Harry and Meghan: An African Journey”. It came out last fall, like Oct 2019. The whole documentary is on YouTube now.
I am so disappointed with the comments I have read from most of you. I thought this was a blog that supports women who are trying to make a change in the world. Instead of trying to have some support for a woman who is horribly abused by the media you just pile on.
Why in the world is all of this Megan’s fault. This is Harry’s family and Harry’s decision and she is a wife supporting her husband. She probably could have sucked it up but he wasn’t having it. She has rolled out initiatives in the very short time she has been a member of the family that actually had some value for the people of the UK instead of just shaking hands and patting heads for the supposed privilege of meeting her. It’s almost gleeful how everyone delights in throwing her under the bus. That family has always thrown each other under the bus and Harry grew up watching them. When it became his turn he said Hell No! Maybe he is over sensitive because of what happened to his mom but remember she was one who was thrown under the bus as well. Good for you Harry.
What I believe is the main point people are missing is that this is all to get up from under those royal reporters or the Rota. They have been holding the RF under the gun for way too long with their “exclusive access”. History will show that this was the right move for them.
For all of you who are getting your jollies by dogging a woman who has done nothing but support her man even at the expense of her mental health shame on you.
It’s more about wanting the $$$ and the house and the titles. If they truly wanted to exit The Firm, they could. I walked away from my family for 34 years and never expected anything from any of them. I made my own way, successfully, I might add. However, they want all the trappings but dont want to do the work. I dont like Megan and havent since the beginning. Not because shes bi-racial, but because I sensed her manipulative, narcissistic ways. I could be wrong though, but my empath signals are rarely off point.
Please enlighten me on her initiatives that have value for the people of the UK..
“She has rolled out initiatives in the very short time she has been a member of the family that actually had some value for the people of the UK instead of just shaking hands and patting heads for the supposed privilege of meeting her.”
Hubb cookbook which has allowed them to open an additional location and provide jobs and food to numerous organizations
Smartworks which provided clothing for women to go to interviews and feel and look professional
Vouge guest editing which provided a spotlight for numerous female run objectives which has elevated so many causes and businesses some of whom were able to open additional locations which provided jobs and untold opportunities for women who may not have had access.
All in less than two years while being a newlywed and new mother.
Those accomplishments.
As with everything, Dream child, time will tell if she will accomplish anything much and still be supporting this man in a few years time.
Generally, to look at what is likely to happen the sensible thing is to look at track record. Meghan has a very poor track record at being loyal to anyone past the point they are of use to her. I am talking family, friends, men in previous relationships.
So I just say let’s all see how this runs out over next few years.
Not sure how long they would have to be married under UK law before she could attack his considerable inherited funds from Diana. But he will never have ownership of the very big money in the Duchy – that will go to William when the Queen dies.
That may be true Mackie but I just want to give her a chance. I don’t think it was about the money or status for her. She wanted what everyone wants, someone who loves respects you and have a shared vision for the future. It’s hard to find that and sometimes you have to go through the mismatch relationships which just prepares you, if you’re paying attention for the right one. Just like Harry. He was tested by the fire and I’m sure developed an instinct for the users and maybe didn’t see that in her.
We are just making assumptions but why is everyone attributing the very worst attributes to her. Either people are reflecting their own behaviors on her or they have no respect for Harry and his experiences being a royal his whole life.
I just believe instead of automatically defaulting to hate why not give love a chance.
Noone has said anything other than they should pay their own way and not look for handouts from the family they wish to walk out on supporting.
As always, on all the love/relationship issues, time alone will tell. It is on them.
My main wish is that our beloved Queen, who is 93, does not have her health impacted by the stress. Her husband is 98 and not well. She has that to cope with too. I have seen no indication H or M have visited Phillip for months.
Charles works very long hours on social good projects and will be 72 this year. He does not always look that well to me in interviews. He has puffy hands and fingers and his eyes often look old. H & M are pulling out in an abrupt way at a time it could impact their family very severely.
I certainly hope it brings them happiness, but the cost to others seems high – especially in the timing.
ITA. Just reading the hateful comments shows they are making the right decision. They get attacked no matter what they do.
okurrr!
Just in case, since our fabulous TT is undercover famous:
We love you, Harry, Meghan, and Archie!!!!
Ditto! I wish them the very best. I believe we are seeing a type of evolution within the Royal Family. I wish the family as a whole the very best. The facts are though, this young couple will never really “escape”.
Thank you Tamara, I know this has caused some struggle for you personally somehow questioning yourself but no one here is right or wrong (in my opinion). Damn the conversation is open and frank from racism, feminism, marital fidelity, inidelity, sex trafficking, tax lessons, of course the RF, history, media, lies, truths, hate, love and opinions etc…
My daughter is texting, gotta run, love you ALL!
This is why I love this blog so hard! You’ve said it all TT!
Save some fucking owls for crisesakes.
A better plan for Meghan and Harry would have been for them to explain to the Queen that they wanted to live in Canada, and then work through official channels to spin it: “How lovely for senior members of the royal family to live for a time in Commonwealth country Canada! What a great gesture of good will and friendship between the countries!”
As it is, they seem to want to abandon royal duties. But in order to make money, they will still have to be celebrities–so they will still be subject to press intrusion and negative articles. Meghan pretty clearly wants to be a celebrity–she just didn’t want the protocol that comes with being royal.
Their current “plan” seems to be to trade on their royal title without doing any royal duties.
Hi
Due to what happened when the HRH was taken from Princess Di, the royal family will never make that mistake with Harry and Megan, they will be supported financially and allowed to move to North America, if they choose Canada ( poor Canadian tax payers )
I doubt they will be allowed to continue with their plans for their brand which was registered in July 2019 which covers 400 items ranging from pencils, t. shirts, ties etc.
They may be allowed to continue with their TV plans with Netflix if it is linked to charity work, the sussexroyal website is a clone of the Obamas website and that is the new role that Harry and Megan wish to follow since the Obamas stepped down, as they have seen how financially viable it could be for them however they cannot expect the British taxpaper to cover their starting costs until the pardon the pun ” royalty cheques are paid for their brand.
Megan was welcomed in the UK as everyone was happy for Harry however a small minority of eegits, imbeciles, the light is on but no-one is home idiots did give her and Archie a hard time.
Of course she was expected to put on that stiff British upper lip- why the hell should she?
On the flip side Megan hit the ground running and expected to drag the Royal family into the 21st century and realised she was only a bit player in a large family organisation and that did not sit well on her shoulders. She verbally abused other royals staff which is a No-No,
Harry and Megan could have done amazing things globally however you do noy defy the Queen. If the Queen could say “off with you head” Piers Morgan should be at the front of the queue.
I wish Harry and Megan all the best however on this occassion I think Megan will get what Megan wants.
In the long run……Will Harry.??
LOL So agree about Piers Morgan. He’s awful.
Piers Morgan is dreadful, a toxic misogynistic ass.
Piers head goes first please lol
What happened when Diana lost her HRH in the divorce?
She lost her police protection. The night she died the security was hired by Al Fayad- people believe that British protection officers would have never let her get into a car with a drunk driver- they would have provided a driver.
She chose to let go of her Scotland Yard protection (the family referred to them as “private detectives”) against the advice of the palace. She thought they were keeping tabs on her(they were). You are right. Scotland Yard can and does overrule their royal charges and report any inappropriate behavIour to the palace(like instructing the driver to accelerate) which is probably why Diana dropped them.
Hi Tamara,
I love your site, please do not let any emotional draining vampires stop you from speaking your truth. as Miss Lauper says : Your True Colours are beautiful (especially that purple pen)
The lightbulb moment for the UK was their trip to Africa, we all removed our rose tinted glasses and we are more angry about the disrespect for a 93 year old grandma, especially as she is finally realising her favourite son is linked to Epstein, then Katie’s birthday, their timing was perfect,,,one does wonder if they are on a schedule for their first appearance with Gayle on US TV to justify themselves and launch their brand.
The day before the announcement ( Tuesday) there is a picture of Megan in a lovely blue outfit without her wedding ring…so tactical.
Nighty Bless to you and Bango.. (3am in Spain ) night sweats are a nightmare,,, time to visit the fridge.
Night sweats are the worst. If men… oh don’t get me started… xo ~tt
Wow. So much going on here. When I made this post in the middle of the night, my entire point was that you can’t just quit being a royal. The Queen of England can’t stop being the The Queen of England and go live among us peons. “Quitting being a royal” is not an option. Harry and Meghan will never be able to just fade into obscurity. It’s simply not a choice. Their decision to distance themselves from the Royal Family will do nothing but escalate their tabloid presence.
And IIRC they were talking about moving to Africa for some charitable reason. Now it is Canada. Or NYC to just blend in with society
I stand by my original statement that you can’t just quit. I also have no ill will toward Meghan. I have heard that she is mean to staff and difficult and caused a rift between Harry and William. Shrugs. It must be difficult to be thrust into the Royal life. I am not saying that sarcastically. Who knows how we would react.
I don’t believe that this has anything to do with race. But, apparently we live in a world where everything is about race. I think this is just a couple of newlyweds who feel like they have no privacy. And in this decision they have made is one of those “it seemed like a good idea at the time” sort of things. You cannot renounce the royal family. You could quietly move to Somalia or somewhere and open a school. Or follow in Lady Diana’s footsteps and take up a charity in some obscure country where people might forget about you. But you can’t live in Toronto, or NYC, or London without being constantly papped. If you really just want to be left alone, move to Madagascar or South Africa or Morocco or Equador and do something for the good of the world quietly and we would totally forget you even exist.
What you CANNOT DO is say “WE QUIT” now stop talking about us. If you are off somewhere quietly doing good… well that would not be a headline at all would it?
And I also don’t get all the vitriolic comments. But I do appreciate everyone’s opinion. As I have said, I am not into the whole royalty thing. I have never paid them much attention. But I can assure you they will all be fine. I also feel like Harry has PTSD from the way his mother died and is trying to keep Meghan from suffering the same fate. To me that is a good husband. I just don’t think they are very realistic in the way they want to do that.
Agree with you TT. I think the family realizes Harry has deeper problems and will try to go along as much as they can to help him through it all. Possibly even being “stuck” at the age of 12 in some ways. I hope it all works out for everyone concerned.
Best to you and Banjo!
Unsportsmanlike behavior, noone can Windsor lose when caution is throne to the wind.
Something huge had to be done to take the spotlight off of Prince Andrew the pedo. The Duke and Duchess of Sussex stepped up to the plate. It has worked splendidly because almost no one is talking about Andrew. And it has worked splendidly because the Brits and their media have shown their penchant for racism with their incessant vilification of Meghan with even members of the Royal Family slurring her. Don’t be surprised when this all seemingly just blows away like a gentle breeze. If the Queen had her way she would stand on the balcony for the next Trooping the Colour flanked by Andrew and Harry who are her favorites. The Royal Family knows how to work this shit. They have even almost got the British people conditioned enough to maybe let Camilla be crowned Queen when Charles is king and those two were so hated after Diana’s death that Brits screeched for years to bypass Charles and make William the next king.
The Queen has released a statement saying she supports their decision. If she’s not upset about it, why are people who don’t know these people?
Tamara asked Um, Can you just up and quick?
Queen replies -: No Tamara they bloody well cannot.
Hope you are having a better day.
So if Meghan is fleeing racism why did she pick a country that PM wore black face? Nothing adds up to what she preaches. I used to feel sympathy for her but after she held that belly (which I thought was sweet at the time) but then goes out with baby Archie and it was completely obvious she never holds her baby. A loving mother knows how to hold their baby comfortably and confidently. She didn’t even have socks on the poor little baby and they were outside. I knew then I had been played and she was a total con artist.
She was not fleeing racisim. Just a convenient story to get sympathy from people who do not know how it is in UK and the inevitable group of people there who blame their own situation on race.
Take a look at who is the Mayor of London – not white. Take a look at the Home Secretary – one of the top women in the UK government – not white. Etc, etc, etc.
Meghan was fleeing criticism of her inconsiderate and rude behaviour, and her constant complaining how hard done by she was. Sadly one silly individual did say her baby looked like a monkey – but he was just trying to be clever and was fired.
If you wait you will find wherever Meghan is there will be a problem of some kind and she will be a victim for attention again. UK is pretty multicultural and there is much less racism than appears to be in some parts of USA, from the comments here. Especially where she was living – in London – a huge number of people are mixed race and noone cares two hoots about it – just what they are like as a person. Her dad has also said race has never been an issue for Meghan in her life.
Now that the Queen has gotten this mess mostly sorted out because she is after all, the QUEEN, we can Keep Calm and Carry On?
PS If anyone has HBO go watch the Young Pope on Demand. Jude Law is absolutely flawless. Then tonight the New Pope debuts on HBO, they are delivering a one-two punch with Jude Law and John Malkovich. Pardon me while I wait for 18 more minutes to click by until The New Pope starts. It doesn’t have anything to do with the Harry and Meg crisis but Jude Law is from England!
I always thought she was an opportunist narcissist. I don’t blame her Father for trying to make a few dollars. He paid for her education, loved her dearly .After he lost his job he had to retire in that hell hole near Tijuana. And another thing, I don’t want to pay for her security detail of millions of dollars. We in California are suffering enough with our taxes always being raised. Canada has already agreed to help with their security bills. She already signed with Disney so her not wanting to live in California right now is probably another BS story of hers since she will in all likelihood, she will have to be here for films and voice-overs.
It’s been confirmed, Harry and Meghan will not longer use their titles!
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