It’s been a long time since we’ve talked about a trial. I started this as a post a comment in the Open Forum post because I’m exhausted. I’ve been watching videos of the Amber Guyger trial on Youtube. Because I am really trying to be productive regarding house cleaning, I decided that I should work in the (filthy) kitchen while watching most of them. My kitchen is much cleaner… but still has a lot left to do. A lot.
While I had some downtime, I’ve had time to look into the Amber Guyger trial. This was sparked by the fact that a young man who testified in that trial, Joshua Brown, was murdered a mere two days after Amber Guyger was convicted.
Short Recap Of The Amber Guyger Case
Amber Guyger, a Dallas police officer, murdered the guy in the apartment below her, Bothan Jean, while he was eating ice cream and watching TV in his own living room at 10 PM at night. She was found guilty and sentenced by a jury for a mere TEN YEARS. The prosecution asked for 28 and the maximum was 99.
It was a weird trial. The brother of the murder victim asked for leniency and says he wishes she didn’t even have to go to jail. He asks the judge for permission give the murderer a hug. After the trial was over, the judge gave the murderer a hug and a Bible. Then the witness that gave crucial evidence gets murdered????
Are You Watching This Insanity In Dallas?
So today I fell down the rabbit hole of watching trial videos The part of me that wanted to get something productive done today decided that I should work in the kitchen because I can watch the videos in there. It’s hard to watch the prosecution’s star witness Joshua Brown testify. He was murdered in the parking lot of his apartment parking lot two days after the verdict.
It’s time to make some soup. Also, there are idiot teenagers twerking and banging on shit outside of my house. Because, somehow, right outside my house is where everything goes down, Banjo keeps trying to tell them to move alone and it’s distracting. So I am going to cut this short. Besides, I want to hear what my trial watchers have to say about this. I feel like I have covered mass protests of the DPD here before. But, I’m having trouble finding it with all the distractions.
Plus, I mostly want to know if any of you guys are following the murders of Bothan Jean and Joshua Brown and/or the Amber Guyger Trial . I am dying to hear your thoughts. I’ll add more in comments once things calm down.
This has been on my mind a lot. I felt gratified that Amber Guyger was found guilty but I thought she should get 20 years. As it is, she could be out in 5. That poor man was sitting on his couch in his underwear eating ice cream and she burst in and shot him to death! What if she wasn’t a cop? Would the sentence have been so lenient?
And then…the witness, Joshua Brown is gunned down in the parking lot! Who had motive to do this? I don’t believe it was random. Bo’s family had no reason to do this. I haven’t seen anything of Amber’s family but it’s possible. But I keep coming back to her police family. Amber and others have expressed racist sentiments in the past. They have motive. I wonder if this case will ever be solved.
Thanks TT for giving us a place to discuss this.
I really should take a closer look at this case. We’ve dealt with our own officer-involved shooting scandals over here, so I totally get the outrage over Amber Guyger’s ten-year sentence. After all, had the situation been reversed and an African-American shot dead a white police officer neighbor, I could easily envision that defendant getting the death penalty (especially in Texas), or at least LWOP.
But then again, at least Bothan Jean’s family got to see the killer face some kind of penalty. Last I checked, hardly anyone has faced any consequences after Sandra Bland died in that Texas jail.
I am usually, most of the time, behind law enforcement officers as some are close friends, that said from the very first news story about this case it stunk. My LEO friends didn’t buy her story, one said maybe a slight moment of confusion on her part but her training should have made her realize she was in the wrong place. Hell, he had a red door mat for shits sake. Her story made zero sense to me at all, I am a little stunned that she didn’t get more time. The witness who was murdered also seems a bit off to me as well, I hate to think this was a retribution type thing but it is entirely to coincidental. I pray for peace for both men’s families.
A few former officer’s responded to a tweet of mine in the days after the murder, and the one thing they couldn’t wrap their minds around was the fact that she came home in full uniform, when it’s common practice for officers to change at the station before going home.
DPD helped Guyger get rid of evidence and weren’t going to charge her at all until the public and the family demanded she be arrested.
I hope the truth comes out one day.
I agree with some of what you’re saying. How didn’t she realize she was on the wrong floor, at the wrong door, inside the wrong apartment…and as you said his door had a bright red mat and she missed that too. It boggles the mind. And now it’s terrible to hear the young man who testified in this case was killed. He didn’t want to testify. He was subpoenaed and forced to testify. Plus he previously survived a shooting where he was targeted by someone he knew.
A let”s hug it out moment will never assuage a mother’s lifelong grief.
I didn’t watch the trial but having been following it in print. I’m glad Guyger was found guilty but was shocked she only received 10 especially in Texas. Cop or not Texas juries are usually harsh. I believe the sentence may have had something to do with what the brother had the day and he’s asking for leniency. That man truly has a forgiving heart. I saw this morning that Brown the key witness was gunned down but they haven’t released information. The information that has been released is coming from his mother via the atty for the Jean family. Tragic that another young man has lost his life. I’ll be watching as this story unfolds. I hope they find his killer.
Texas sentences are harsh for addicts and dealers. If Amber had been busted peddling meth, she would be serving 25 years, not 10.
Anyone remember Ethan Couch? He killed multiple people while driving intoxicated, then tried to run away from the scene. He wasn’t sentenced to prison at all in the beginning. He ended up messing up his super light probation sentence and got his probation revoked, but initially for the deaths he caused, he evaded prison altogether.
It’s very sad how we do things in Texas. Maybe this case and those like Ethan Couch will eventually change how our legal system works and stop punishing drug offenders more than killers.
The “affluenza teen” Ethan Couch. He and his mom went on the run to Mexico until they were caught.Shows their entitled thinking. But why not? He basically was told so. All so very sad and unbalanced. And not blind!
That accident he caused was horrible!
There’s others that were “too pretty for jail”. (Florida)Blonde blue eyed beauty.
This is at least getting people talking. For how long? Not long enough, until the next time. Which there will be, sadly.
Awhile back I found CourtTV online and watched the entire Ohio v Richardson trial. I was addicted and they were gearing up for covering this Guyger trial. I was aware of it before it hit mainstream news, plus I’m not too far from Dallas and go there semi often.
I didn’t watch it on CourtTV; decided that once CourtTV comes to cable on November 1, I’ll be binging trials then. (And I’m praying that once it hits cable and a good trial comes up that you’ll be going back to your roots and we can all watch together! Fingers crossed!)
The Guyger trial has been all over local news and I’ve been keeping up with it that way. She definitely got off easy. She had texts with her DPD buddies admitting that she was a racist. There were also some that came out that seemed pretty violent like she was trigger happy. I understand how these massive apartment complexes look all the same and it’s not uncommon for residents to go to wrong floor or building especially if they’ve imbibed. But I’m confused as to how she got inside the front door and once there, how did she not recognize it wasn’t her furniture when she was supposedly sober yet distracted. She was supposedly distracted due to finishing a long shift and sexting with her DPD partner who she was also fucking. None of it makes sense!
I absolutely don’t think that the death of the witness, Brown, was coincidental. I’m convinced DPD is completely corrupt and mostly racist.
I agree that the trial was bizarre. I also don’t think we’ll ever know the truth. And my heart breaks for Botham Jean’s mother. I mean Jesus, he was so young and smart with his entire life ahead of him. Just chilling at home eating blue bell and watching tv. Wtf? And I don’t understand the brother hug—way too soon for that level of forgiveness IMO, just weird. Amber Guyger is a piece of shit and should have gotten the max.
Allegedly
Botham’s apartment door apparently had a hinged that was placed backwards. I heard the testimony about the door but the explanation came from the defense attorney, He’s pretty bad. The state attorneys mopped the floor with him. Anyway his story was that on high heat, high humidity days the door would close but not latch causing it to open with a push from the outside. She had lots of heavy gear in her hands, she was opening the door with one hand…. blah blah blah. I have heard the state discuss the door issue yet.
Hmmm. I might have to go to my court tv app and watch that segment. But my laptop died and I hate watching shit on my phone. But this might be interesting enough to endure. Then again, it’s over and she got off easy and it might just piss me off more. November 1 can’t come fast enough for my CourtTV obsession!
That part will be hard to find. It was on one of the first youtubes I watched and it was in the middle of the trial. I’ve started over from dot one of the trial. If I see that part again I’ll send you,
Thanks. It should be broken down by segment on the CourtTV app on demand section. I’m gonna go check it out & see if it’s there.
Also the humidity thing does hold a bit of water bc been there with some of my doors. But hello? If your door does that everyone knows to use the deadbolt. Not in the sticks where people don’t lock their doors. It’s all too bizarre. I guess I’ll be watching the prosecutions part of this. Just when I thought I was almost caught up on my shows you go and do a trial post! I’m so NOT complaining! Lol
It’s wonderful that Bitham’s brither is able to forgive — he doesn’t need hate and resentment darkening his life. But that’s about HIM. How did SHE get such a light sentence. I’ve looked for, but been unable to find how she came to be in the wrong apartment in the first place. Even if it were a cookie-cutter complex, there are LOTS of visual cues that could tell you you are on the right floor — the paint scraped away from a rail, the smudge in the hallway, the welcome mat next door — HOW did she come to be in the wrong apartment? Was she drunk, loaded? As an officer, who is trained in remembering details, how did she fail? No wonder cops bust the wrong people on occasion. WTF?
If you get into this stuff as much as I do, COURT TV IS BACK! You can just google it and live stream trials for free. They also have an on demand feature where you can go back and watch entire trials broken down by segments—also free. Will be coming to cable tv (Cox, Xfinity, Spectrum etc) on November 1st. Lots of commentary by familiar faces… Vinnie Politan, Ted Rolands, Beth Karas, etc. but no Jean Casaeras (sp?)
They are covering the Harvey Weinstein’s trial in January. Pretty much all the high profile cases.
WHAT? No Jinkasaurus? She’s my favorite dinosaur!
IKR?! Check your email. I just sent you a video
Wow. 911 call. She says “I thought it was my apartment” eleventy billion times yet never even attempts CPR or trying to stop the bleeding. I just can’t.
92 times people have gone in the wrong apt. I saw enough, but not enough to know who the star witness said.
She was running in and out of THE CRIME SCENE worried about her job.
Thanks TT, with a murder that close to a verdict, I’m ready to check it out.
P.s. I have a serious problem that it somehow wasn’t corrected that so many times people wandered into the wrong apt. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CORRECTED BEFORE AN OBVIOUS TRAGEDY WOULD HAPPEN.
Totally agree with you and also wouldn’t be surprised if intentional. In this day & age of CSI, that may have been the beginning of the corruption. Contaminate the scene in order to get a lot of stuff thrown out at trial? The level of corruption in these parts is so extremely bad, I put nothing past them anymore.
Excellent point IJC.
IJC, omgosh!! Court TV is beyond fantastic! I even found On Demand you mentioned. Thank you sooooo much, I’m in heaven. 🙂
I just was in doubt, but Cox said “request and you shall get”
Shocked cable sounds as if they are coming through.
(November 1st ?)
Thanks again, your the best.
P.s. Assuming no Sunny Hostin, Ryan (?), Jane Velez Mitchell, Savannah Guthrie, Lisa Bloom.
Anchors I can do without. Lol
(Vinnie Politan must have as well as Beth Karas)
Hope i didn’t share too much. 😬
Yay Cheryl! So glad you found it! Warning: it can become addictive and life consuming! Lol 😉
This is AMAZING! I love court TV! Back in the day or was practically all I watched. I remember the trial with the those twin sisters. The one who stole the others identity. That was sooooo good!
I wonder if the Patrick Frazee trial is going to be covered/filmed anywhere? I know it starts on the 28th. From what I’ve seen of it, it’s an odd story.
Watching the married partner boyfriend’s testimony. He has the twitchiest eyes ever. He’s sort of terrifying…
This case has actually made our news over here in the UK just because everyone is in shock at how “nice” the judge was to the defendant, and one of the court officers even took the time to fix her hair in the courtroom. I think she should’ve got more than 10 years. If the tables were turned you know he would’ve got more than that. Then the witness being shot 2 days after. It’s all very fishy and extremely sad.
Shot in the mouth. Not all that common and screams volumes about speaking truth to power. Guess you cannot in Dallas. He was silenced and ten years is a travesty. Google Marissa Alexander.
There is a lot of discrepancy about where Joshua Brown was shot. The atty who initial said mouth and chest has retracted that statement due to other conflicting statements and said that we will just have to wait on the autopsy report.
Watching the judge is fascinating. She smiles, frowns, grimaces, mean mugs, and makes weird eyes all in the course of 60 minutes. She can’t seem to sit still, seems to have a back problem. She’s very, very, odd. I suppose we knew that when she hugged the murdered in front of the victims family in the court room.
That said, she seems to make great decisions, seems fair, and great at moving things along.
Okay so I just watched the prosecutors closings and HOLY SHITBALLZ the bodycam footage from responding officers right after it happened. There’s no way she didn’t know it wasn’t her apt once she crossed the threshold of front door. His ice cream was still frozen and he never even made it off the couch. I can’t bring myself to watch the cunt take the stand right now. But if you find the prosecutions cross on the door controversy please share. And I sent you the CourtTV link. I’m too emotional to watch the parents take the stand or brown for that matter.
Brown is very difficult to watch. VERY. Personally, if I was investigating his murder, I’d be trying to find our what ole BLINKY the cheating husband was doing at the time .
I watched the trail from beginning to end. Did not buy her story at all. She said when she put her key in the action forced the door to open, but yet she had to hold it open with her left arm and body because the door is weighted to force closure so it won’t stay open. She had her gun drawn in her right hand when she open the door because heard noise inside. She should have backed away and called for help, but she had an ego and wanted to be a hero, but it backfired, big time. Brown had only met Botham that very day, but he was emotional on stand, I’m assuming because he can relate to another black man being killed. He was in the hallway when gun shots were fired.
Prosecutor destroyed her on the stand and he did an awesome job. One fact that was never answered, cheating married boyfriend testified that he had never been to her apartment, but yet in Amber’s text to him, she said she need him to come right away, 2nd text was she f’d up. She never gave him her address which led me to believe he knew where her apartment was.
Also, someone above stated they thought her sentence was lenient because of Brandt Jean’s victim impact statement. That was not correct as sentence had already been given, when Brandt took stand. I was balling during his statement. I believe Botham was speaking through him.
I think you summarized well.
The woman who videotaped the incident right after the shooting has been threatened and fired from her job. She is only identified as “Bunny”.
I read that she also moved out of state, but I haven’t seen that on any site that has sited a source about Bunny.
This is first I’ve heard of this but I haven’t been watching as closely as I usually do about stuff like this but I’m going to try and catch up. I guess I’m going to have to start at the beginning to grasp it all. It really does get more bizarre by the minute!
The complete ineptitude of the defense attorney is ASTOUNDING. He doesn’t know how to make simple objections. Even if his tactic is simply to disrupt the State, he doesn’t know how to make an objection. Like he objects to police supervisors explaining SOP by saying they are not qualified as expert witnesses. Overruled. His favorite one goes something like objection um this exhibit will unfairly prejudice um the jury and ah make the confused. Overuled. He could at least learn five proper objections that at least make sense even if they are not applicable and through them out there. THIS IS THE BEST THE BLUE LIVES COULD GET FOR ONE OF THEIR OWN?
The really amazing thing about her defense attorney is that he was a well-respected Dallas prosecutor for many years – you name an award and he has won it as either prosecutor or defense lawyer. I would never have categorized Toby Shook as inept until this trial. He has always seemed very detail oriented and very persuasive with juries. He was really dialing this one in and it is not his normal professional mudemeanor. I have wondered if he wasn’t doing his best to give her multiple grounds for an appeal (failing to raise obvious evidentiary objections is textbook ineffective assistance of counsel). He knows the conviction rate drops significantly on appeal as do all criminal law practitioners (and most crime buffs).
Toby has worked closely with law enforcement his entire career and I have always observed and believed they LOVE him. That is why I was not at all surprised to see him as her defense attorney. Toby’s current law partner is a former colleague of mine who has an excellent reputation as well. Toby has tried over 300 jury cases and I find it hard to believe his actions in this case aren’t intentional somehow.
I grew up in Dallas and went to law school there. I wrote my college thesis on the JFK Assassination and read thousands of police records during my research that made my blood run cold. It was clear the cops knew how to protect their own as well as any powerful community leader they liked. The corruption of DPD and the community’s outrage about it dates back several decades. That said, I also know many Dallas cops personally that are straight arrows and I do not want to overgeneralize or paint the good ones with a bad brush. The whole thing is a mind-bender.
I would love to comment, but really can’t because I’ve only seen snippets of this case.
Is Court TV a thing of the past … not kidding, TIA 😉 .
I would love to read those police records.
Jane Boyd,
Thank you for validating what I’ve felt and strongly believed forever regarding the level of DPD corruption and racism. I’m in Houston and Harris County & HPD is a close second to Dallas. Can’t stand former DA in Houston, Kelly Siegler, who has the cold case show on oxygen channel, brags about her conviction rate even though she didn’t have a ton of cases. Her claim to fame was high profile case which was because of her ridiculous reenactment and courtroom antics when she brought a king sized bed into courtroom and straddled it along with a guy pretending to be victim while pretending to stab victim 100+ times.
Yet the amount of cold cases in her home stomping grounds is ridiculous and growing; one of which is my own grandfather’s. But we know who did it… suspect just happened to be married to a judge’s daughter and wasn’t even ever arrested and kept all the family jewels and precious metals he stole (it was a premeditated armed robbery and a premeditated murder). Then all the logged physical evidence magically and “accidentally” was destroyed!
Grandfather was also missing for months and cops kept trying to get us to believe that he just up and left his family to start a new life in Vegas yet he had never gambled in his life. Kept insisting this was the narrative until his body was found in his car! So we had to spend a fortune put a PI on retainer to follow him around so that he could be busted every time (he was a career criminal specializing in jewel thefts) So we spent a fortune just to keep him locked up on petty crimes for decades. I also don’t want to paint with a broad brush. But I’ve learned the hard way that justice is rarely served and corruption is RAMPANT! Haunts me to this day.
Jane BOND, not Boyd! Sorry…excitement and 1:00am.
Ah yes, Kelly Siegler. Susan who i forget and the 192 stab wounds.
And her horrendously disgusting interview regarding the Temple case and proved undoubtedly she played an illegal game and got caught. I lost all respect for her. She’s either partially or disbarred permanently.
She proved how scary god forbid your an innocent defendant with a prosecutor who is obsessed with winning.
I watched Joshua’s testimony and have no idea why he would be targeted for anything he said. He was so emotional. Couldn’t even keep it together. The judge has had a formal complaint filed against her for reading the bible
Followed this closer than I would have liked because I have friends that followed it closely. Guyger was protected in multiple ways after she murdered Botham Jean including being allowed to have family and friends go scrub her apartment out the day after the murder while a search warrant WAS granted to search Botham’s apartment for incriminating evidence to use against him and her cell phone was not confiscated so she was able to delete her sexting messages to her married partner who was also her lover. Experts had to dig deep to retrieve info from her phone and also from her married partner’s phone because he also deleted the sexting. Many of her family members are known racists and there were pix of Amber Guyger with those family members wearing racist tee shirts and throwing down racist hand gestures. Guyger forgot to scrub her Pinterest account clean and there were incriminating racist memes posted by her on that account that were shown in court — in the sentencing phase I believe.
Botham’s brother showing compassion toward Guyger is impossible for me to look at again. That woman will probably be out in five years and possibly less because of loophole laws that protect and elevate people like her.
Joshua’s murder is obviously an assasination and we can all guess for ourselves who might have carried out the deed. I saw an extremely freighted young Black woman film live from the apartment complex right after Joshua’s murder to show how it looked in the parking lot where Joshua was shot. She wanted people to see how unlikely that this was random.
I would not want to be Black and living anywhere near Dallas. My heart goes out to every person of color having to live in Dallas.
By the way, Judge Tammy Kemp is a cop loving judge who was gifted with the Dallas Police Department’s endorsement. The cops love her.
There are actually so many things wrong and corrupt about this whole case that it makes me physically ill to think of them all and only reinforces my hope of moving out of this country.
Wow! This is so true and sad.
IJC the black Texas Ranger (?”) testifies about the door/jky/hinge stuff here…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ3h4Czsoys
At the SEVEN HOUR and 37 minute mark. And yes I have been watching the entire video but skipping over the idiotic commentary by the Dallas news lady. Every time they cut to her she literally turns to the guest and asks some ridiculous question that usually starts with What does it me? So what’s going on? etc. For her alone I could not move to Dallas,
OMG THANK YOU! So much for going to bed early! Fuck. I have an early dr appointment in morning but looking like I’m going to pull an all nighter while watching on my stupid phone!
Btw, I don’t want to break rules but may I have permission to post link to Court TV so that others can get involved? It’s all free. And I’m enjoying others input!
This guy observes every single person in the room during pauses. Every juror, every person in the gallery, every attorney, he is clocking everyone hard and could probably ID all of them a month from now and know where they were sitting and what they were wearing. He seems more like a Navy Seal than a Ranger, Perhaps he was a SEAL first.
Fun fact: many Texas Rangers are, or highly trained former Intelligence Officers. They work separately from other law enforcement agencies although they do collaborate with them (independently) on many cases. They are the only good ones in the bunch and most DGAF about politics in a case. They also work closely with Tim Miller of Texas Equisearch. Btw, I’m waaay behind you on this so I don’t know if I can offer intelligent thoughts on this particular case until I catch up!
Yeah I had to start completely over from the beginning so I could get it all in chronological order. It’s more bizarre than I originally realized and I don’t want to miss a thing. Total insanity and corruption. Whoever said that prosecutors were being crappy on purpose might really be on to something. And the boyfriend is super sketchy!
When this happened, I read that she had filed complaints with the rental agency about how noisy he was at all hours of the night. It made me wonder if that was the reason she mysteriously ended up on the wrong floor. She deserved much more time.
Been reading what I can. None of this makes sense. My opinion: ALLEGEDLY 1. Guyger has something on someone and needs to be pacified. 2. She was not in her right mind when she killed that man.
Who wears racist shirts? Who hands a Bible to a murderer? Who hugs a murderer?
Thank you for this post. I want to get into the case but have had limited time. I actually have a stomach virus so able to deep dive now. The comments as always have been super insightful.
None of it sits right and it all looks like the buddy system. I said from the start, how can you be a trained cop and be that oblivious to your surroundings. I was raised by a former deputy sheriff in DC (who later became an ER RN). But he trained me to be observant of my surroundings and I remember him always checking his surroundings years after he switched careers.
One other thing… I don’t think it will come up in trial, but DPD did fire her relatively soon after the incident yet still provided her with the defense team. Things that make you go hmmm.
I do not live anywhere near Texas but I have accidently walked into a wrong apartment years ago. Big complex, door was unlocked, thought it was mine, etc. I wasn’t drunk and as soon as I opened the door I was like “What? this ain’t my place I don’t have a mirror there.” I felt extremely stupid and called out to apologize to the people inside to let them know what I did. I honestly don’t even think I put both feet in the apartment before I realized I was wrong. I had groceries in my arms and a 3 year old holding my purse and was very distracted and yet I didn’t fully enter the wrong place. Her story doesn’t hold water for me.
Ever since Joshua Brown testified (RIP) is as follows. There was an email exchange between Amber and one of her friends. The friend asked how she was liking her new apartment. Amber said something like that she really liked it, there were a few something like lowlifes I don’t remember the phrase and people smoking weed, but other than that it was great.
Then Joshua said in his testimony that both he and Botham were visited one afternoon around 2 pm claiming there had been a noise complaint. He found that odd since it was the middle of the day and neither of them were making any noise at all. He and Botham both concluded that since they were both smoking weed, that was the real reason for the management visit.
Next we are reminded that Botham’s apartment smelled strongly of weed hours after the murder. That means that Amber would have smelled weed the moment she opened the door in addition to all the other obvious signs that she more likely than not knew she was in the wrong apartment. Then there was the 911 call where she said 19 times that she thought it was her apartment. That was the reason she killed Botham instead of Joshua. She thought she had a way to claim self-defense with Botham.
I also think her fuck buddy Blinky was in on the whole thing and he planned from the start to take out the other pot smoking black guy.
Thoughts?
Nailed it, TT.
This is a horrible scenario to believe. Could it possibly be true? What kind of person could kill someone just because they were annoyed by the smell of pot in their apartment? Complain-OK. Move-Maybe. Murder them-That’s insane! Wouldn’t a normal person think there would be consequences? Amber was fired and will be spending at least 5 years in prison…or will she? Thanks for the additional details. This whole case is driving me nuts!
That’s just my conclusion. At least so far. I am listening to Day 3 of the trial now.
It’s not just the smell of pot. Amber Guyger is a racist. We all know that if she used the term lowlifes in the email exchange with her friend that she meant Black people. Black people smoking pot translates to lowlifes in racist lingo. That apartment complex is not cheap and the majority of people we have seen who live or lived there are working people with fairly good jobs. None have been what a normal person would describe as lowlifes.
Did Guyger honestly believe that if she killed Botham then her problems would be solved and she could continue to live in her apartment with no consequences?
I’d like to preface this comment by saying that not all Dallas cops are not racist. However, I think a whole lot of them are. And for that reason, Amber felt comfortable in her job. She was around those who shared her hateful views.
So to answer your question, yes. I believe that all white cops who kill black men or women in this country feel completely safe to do so without consequence. As unbelievable as that sounds, sadly, they have plenty of precedent to believe that. So much so that she was fine with being publicly racist on her social media while employed by DPD.
Nailed it TT I too, believe that all white cops who kill black men & women in this country & St. Louis feel completely safe in doing so.
Right now there’s a big case in the news in St. Louis about cops looking forward to beat up protesters in Ferguson incident. Only problem, 1 of the victims was an undercover black cop who’s quoted as saying “they Rodney Kinged me.”
And then there’s the case of the cop who accidentally killed his married lover cop in a game of Russian Roulette at their secret getaway with his partner as witness? Admitting they drank beer? Yeah, you don’t hear much on that case. Covered up. I apologize for my rambling. It’s like that all over. Same shit different city.
I was exhausted when I posted in this thread and I should have chosen my words with better care. I was trying to think of what went through her head thinking she could shoot and murder her neighbor because he was Black and smoked pot? Did she not think that she would have had to at least move her racist murdering ass out even if the cops had gotten their way and never charged her. Are cops so entitled and ignorant that hey don’t think beyond the deed at all? I am not sure exactly what Guyger thought was going to happen when she murdered Botham but she certainly never expected to be arrested and charged, go through a trial and be found guilty. And for all the racist cop apologists out there who pay taxes in jurisdictions where cops get away with murder in criminal court but lose in civil court: you the taxpayers make the survivors of the murder victims rich with your tax dollars. I hope the racist Guyger supporters in the Dallas area feel satisfied with Guyger’s choice to murder Botham because you will probably be paying dearly for it. Of course the media will barely report it when the civil trial is settled or ends because the cops and prosecutors and the government in Dallas won’t want too much light shone on that info.
I also am pretty damned sure that Guyger’s married lover/partner has been to her apartment before and touched her a lot while he was with her. So much corruption. And now the Dallas Police are”investigating’ Joshua’s murder. I may need to throw up again.
Finally! SOMEONE EXPLAINS THE DOOR LOCK ISSUE CLEARLY. On Day 3, after lunch, neighbor Whitney Hughes explained that when it was humid after a rain, the hinge that locked the door often would not engage properly and when leaving she would have to pull on the door to be sure it locked. She did not experience the problem when she was entering the house,
Also she also had parked on the wrong floor twice in the two months she had lived there and one of those times she had walked all the way to the wrong apartment and put her key in the wrong door.
Sidenote, almost EVERY RESIDENT has mention accidentally parking on the wrong floor. Include the HIGHLY OBSERVANT Texas Ranger. Since the murder the apartment has added more signage to the parking lot.
Edited to add, Whitney has a doormat in front of her door. The apartment she mistakenly went to on the wrong floor a very different doormat but she didn’t notice. She also didn’t really notice other differences and the ones she did she thought were changes.
Didn’t that guys apartment also have long pendant lights in the kitchen, which hers didn’t. And if these residents continously go to the wrong floor can’t they give them a key card designated for their floor so they would realize, oh shit, wrong floor! She saw the door ajar, but missed the mat that underneath her feet!
If she saw the door was ajar, why did she put her key fob in the door? And why didn’t she take them out??
I had read that she didn’t realize the door was ajar UNTIL she put the fob in, and that’s what made the door move/ her realize that it wasn’t clicked in.
If she was a male policeman she would have not been convicted, or maybe manslaughter tops. She came across as extremely unlikable.
Really? I think she was given the blond white girl treatment. Two members of the jury have been interviewed so far and they said they felt sorry for her. They all knew she was guilty and agreed on that immediately, but they argued over how long to sentence her for.
All of the people who live in these apartments that have been witnesses are young and pretty and have good jobs. They all seem smart and nice.
I haven’t watched the trial at all. But from reading the comments here, I believe that she purposely entered the wrong apt. She knew exactly what she was doing. The victim never got off his couch, her gun was already drawn, she smelled pot. No one I know has ever been so distracted that they didn’t notice all of the inconsistencies and differences between her own place and his. Her door didn’t have the “easy open humid” problem. As far as the victims brother forgiving her, that may be the only way for him to have piece of mind. I did see the “patting hair” incident, but I think that was done to make sure nothing was in her hair (just my opinion)
I pray that the family is able to use this to force the DPD to do some restructuring and retraining of their officers. But training them not to be racist is never going to happen.
He actually did get up off the couch. He only made it about two steps while shouting HEY HEY HEY before it was sadly, lights out.
I remember coming home one night as a 20-something at my parents house. It was late, but anyway I open the front door to my brother the cop with a loaded 45 at my head ready to pull the trigger. Thankfully he quit, because that’s insane to be using a key to open my own front door to have a gun drawn on you. Im still bothered by what he did that night. Anyway, I don’t get her story either. You see the door ajar so rather than call in it, you just go in see a figure and shoot. I dunno how I feel about the time she got. That girl that buried and burned her ‘stillborn’ prom baby I think got probation so hey i guess it’s up to who’s presiding over it!
The witness murder is crazy though. Don’t know what to make of that other than I hope they catch his killers.
Sorry but I watched every single minute of Ohio v Richardson. There was zero scientific evidence for the state to prove shit and they had the burden of proof. She was found guilty of abuse of a corpse for burying in backyard which was a fair sentencing given the evidence. The media is responsible for the misconception that burning took place. There were multiple experts who testified that no burning occurred. The one anthropologist who originally said she thought burning MIGHT have occurred, went back and REVISED her report to explain that her original conclusion was because some bones were darker. After looking at the same bones a second time, realized that they had just been wet from the rain and later after drying all bones looked the same and she amended her report to say that zero burning occurred. Yet police and DA continued to pursue this as a thing because it fit THEIR narrative. I watched over a weeks worth of the video interrogations. This was just ANOTHER case of stupid cops. Thank the baby Jesus the jury at least got it right with this one and she’s in the hospital for her anorexia. The media coverage was corrupt as well.
It’s becoming so scary! Can’t trust the cops, can’t trust the media, and civil rights are going BACKWARDS.
Oh, and their was even an email conversation between two of the experts talking about how they were not going to lie for the cops or the DA who wanted them to say that the baby was born alive and burned! Scientifically it was an impossibility. There was never an umbilical cord. It happens, especially if mother has eating disorder.
On Day 5 the defense called a guy named Marc Lipscomb who is a partner at Kirkland and Ellis law firm who weaves a fabulous tale for the defense regarding him going into the wrong apartment and even though he the wrong apartment didn’t smell right and the furniture wasn’t his, he still thought it was his apartment.
THIS IS THE MOST INSANE BULLSHIT I HAVE EVER SEEN!
Then the next witness was kind of batshit too. She was there to talk about homeless people being inside the property. She has a story about how an old smelly homeless man used a key to get her apartment with a key, This was after she said that her door didn’t work.
Whoever said that the defense is DELIBERATELY throwing this case has to be correct. This is like a Saturday Night Live skit. The State keeps objecting based on relevance and the judge keeps telling the defense to move along.
Never in all my life have I seen this. It would be hilarious IF THIS WAS NOT A MURDER TRIAL.
It just keeps going. The third witness says she realized she was on the wrong floor because she didn’t smell dog urine. But her missing floor mat, the missing vase of tall flowers.The prosecution and the judge find this almost as ridiculous as I do.
I have to pause to go recap Below Deck Med.
Day five is just a shit storm of WTF. Keenan Blair one of the very first responders on the scene is saying whatever the fuck defense wants him to say. He is a black man. That should matter, but clearly on this police force it does. It’s sad. And quite honestly TERRIFYING.
The door thing still bothers me. I don’t care how many people they parade into say it’s happened to them, I GET GOING TO THE WRONG APARTMENT! I’ve seen the almost exact same apartment setup by same Mgmt co. They’re everywhere and it’s like Melrose Place reboot for the masses. I can’t get past her going inside and shooting anyone and not recognizing the furniture unless she was wasted which she was not. I’m sorry but girls are different than guys when it comes to furniture and home decor. She’s clearly also not very bright—taking the stand did her no favors and everyone knows that is not advisable in murder cases. Yet she’s gotten a slap on the wrist. Blue lives evidently matter more than any others at all. And I absolutely don’t think she’ll serve even that long. Corruption is more rampant than I ever truly realized and I’ve always believed it to be true. Brown’s death is so clearly a hit from inside the department (My guess is Blinky, too).
I find myself getting enraged watching this after knowing the verdict and the other unfortunate outcomes. Not nearly as enjoyable as watching in real time. Just saying.
I am so far behind you but am going back to my original thoughts on the case. It’s so easy to get caught up in all that is crazy in the trial. Big picture she’s a racist piece of shit, so is Blinky. There is no justice anymore and DPD is sofa king corrupt I wanna puke.
Just saw an emotional interview with Judge Kemp. I love her almost as much as Judge Belvin Perry. She explained how she ended up giving away her own bible and hugging Amanda. My brain is fried because I have been getting shit done today and am exhausted so even though I just watched it I forget how the interaction started, but Amanda asked Judge Kemp if she thought she could have a life after this. She said yes, Then she asked if she thinks God will forgive her. She said she knew He would. Then she expressed that basically she had never been religious and didn’t know where to start. She didn’t even have a Bible. So Judge Kemp gave her the Bible she uses every day. BTW Judge Kemp was weeping during the interview. Then Amanda asked if she could hug her and she was basically freaking out internally. She remembered a recent sermon. She did not hug her as she was having an internal dilemma. Amanda asked again, and she hugged her.
It’s a very moving interview.
I don’t know if you saw this already, but an arrest has been made and there are two others to be arrested as well.
Yup. Read it. Was coming to post and you beat me to it. I’m so pissed off. I don’t believe for a second it was coincidental. They are in damage control mode and now going to execute more young black men and pin it on a drug deal gone bad. Fuck DPD and the literal horses they ride in on. Total fabrication and cover up IMO. And guess who can’t testify at the civil trial now? I’m physically ill. I think I’m going to have to step away from this because it is so unbelievably horrifying AND IT NEVER ENDS!
I don’t buy it either. I totally understand about having to step away. This is exactly the kind of thing that tends to send me under the covers for a while. It seems today that everywhere we turn there is so much wrong doing and cover ups. It’s all very disheartening and infuriating, and it makes so many of us feel utterly powerless.
Amen. And thanks for making me feel like I’m not alone in this head space. I know you commented about court tv somewhere. I’m stepping away from that too bc it’s been consuming me. I know myself and I know that by the time another good trial comes up I’ll probably be all in. If you haven’t found it yet, just google court tv and go to home page and also click on “recent” and you’ll be able to figure it out from there. Also on demand feature for older trials. They also have a free app u can download. And from the drop down menu click “find us” & follow prompts to make sure that your cable provider will be adding the tv channel on November 1st. If not u can request it from your provider directly from the court tv website. Hope that helps. I’m going to go try to find something uplifting and mindless with no screeching women to watch so I can shake this icky feeling off!
I can promise you, you are definitely not alone. Thank you so much for the court tv info. Feel better! Xoxo
I can promise you, you are definitely not alone. Thank you so much for the court tv info. Feel better! Xoxo
Oops. Went in wrong place again! Le sigh
In all fairness I can’t take credit for the court tv info. I’m pretty sure it was JustJenn that originally gave me the heads up. So, if you’re reading here, Thanks, “JustJenn”! 🙂
So help me understand the story.
3 guys were coming from Louisiana to Dallas to buy drugs, I believe specially pot from Joshua Brown. Was there some sort of shortage of pot in Louisiana?
Instead of buying pot they decide to just kill Joshua Brown.
DPD searches Browns apartment and seizes “12 pounds of marijuana, 149 grams of THC cartridges, and $4,157”.
So why was he killed in the parking lot of his apartment complex by a car speeding by?
I’m not understanding the story.
You’re not alone in not understanding the story. Like they don’t sell pot in Louisiana. Sorry but its not likely that potheads are that motivated and violent—isn’t that the meth/coke heads? It’s pretty much whatever DPD has put out there. And anyone who dares to have the thought that it might not be exactly what they say it is, is being labeled a “conspiracy theorist “. If I’m not mistaken, there are some with a bit of pull trying to insist that another agency be responsible for the investigation; the TX Rangers have been suggested. I’m not holding my breath. IMO they just saved themselves from two wrongful suits (dead witness) and the corrupt department/system is not going to change. It’s been almost radio silence like they’re just waiting for people to move on and forget about it. The only thing that has been leaked that I’ve heard of is a long criminal history of Brown, as if that makes it better. Again, just my opinion.