UPDATED With Titus Burgess Statement:
She can be a messy queen! Yes I said it! Don’t care he knows either! He should remember his talk show isn’t an episode of the real housewives of Atlanta! It’s a place where artists come to talk about art and have a little fun. NOT a place to rehash old rumors or bring a star negative press. Sunday was a display of ratchet behavior by a well connected man having blatant disregard for one of his guests. If only time were taken to know who I am and not assuming that I am the character I play on tv he would know how to conduct a proper interview with at all! I received 4 Emmy nominations for acting! NOT for being my self. He was lucky I had my wits and Christian values THAT day. Always keep it classy. Being friends with other talented celebrities doesn’t make you talented it makes you friends with other famous celebrities! He should rip a page from Anderson Cooper and learn how to do his job.
I’ve already done my three Sunday night recaps in a row tonight. But, I got an interesting email that said I have to watch WWHL tonight. Apparently, Andy Cohen gets his ass handed to him. I am hoping since tonight’s guests are Laverne Cox and Titus Burgess that it is about his failure to stand up for Barbara Kavovit on the RHONY Reunion.
Fun Fact: Titus Burgess and I are wearing the same shirt. I have three or four of them. They are super light weight and great for sunscreen on the forearms in summer.
The first sign of drama was when discussing Titus and his recent collaboration with Eddie Murphy. Titus seemed confused by Andy asking if he actually got to speak with him. He said of course he did. Why wouldn’t he? Andy points out that Eddie Murphy was “very problematic for the gays” at one point. Titus said Eddie loved him. Laverne jumps in to say that people can evolve.
Titus Burgess Says Eddie Murphy Is Not Homophobic
The backstory is that in the early 1980s, Eddie did a filmed comedy routine called delirious in which he used the word faggot in a derogatory way repeatedly. During that time that word was used constantly in the gay community. I was a baby “fag hag” at that time. I still abhor the attempt to change that term to “fruit fly.” So ridiculous. Anyway, Eddie Murphy issued an apology many years later about that. Language evolves very rapidly in these times where everyone is so offended. So we change words to try to remove the newly attributed offense. Then new words are created and they suddenly are deemed offensive. Lather rinse repeat. I find it annoying and I hate the word police.
After Titus cleared that up he seemed to shake his finger and give Andy Cohen the “don’t go there” stank face. Laverne Cox doesn’t seem to be feeling Andy either. Andy asked Titus what he was saying to the audience. Titus responded, “Keep going, girl. Do your show.” Andy seemed flustered.
More Ridiculous Games
He moves on to a game where he has a Broadway singer working the bar, match some ridiculous noises that housewives make. As soon as that is over, they go to break and Titus Burgess gets up and walks over to the Broadway singer. It’s clear he is like, “Girl, can you believe he just asked you to do that?”
There was clearly some awkward tension from Titus Burgess and Laverne toward Andy. I really didn’t pick up on it that much. I thought for sure it would be about how Bravo is vilifying people that either identify as bisexual, like Barbara Kavovit or people that are being “accused” of being gay or suspected of being bisexual, like Micheal Darby. Sadly, it wasn’t a direct attack on that. However, it could have been the source of some tension.
Anyway, it was a crappy episode I regret watching. I was recapping as I went along, So here you go.
I’m over Andy, I used to like him. He reminds me of a dirty old man when he has young men behind the bar. If a man did that to a young woman, he would get fired. I don’t like how he acts like he’s not stirring the pot, but it’s so obvious.
I have been saying the sa.e thing ! His crude sexual innuendos towards young guys in show would not be tolerated if he spoke to women like fhat. Dirty old man
I agree. I think Andy Cohen profits from making women cat fight and turn against each other to keep their place in the Housewives series. I guess the drama sells and he is walking away with a fortune. He’s a misogynist.
Interesting that you mentioned that Beachy. Andy’s BF Bruce said on his radio program that the one word to describe Andy is a “shit stirrer”
I read one of his books several years ago, and one thing I remember it that he said even in high school he loved the drama and gossip of his girl friends.
Anderson Cooper said that Andy is a shit stirrer as well and that he thinks he (on purpose) invites people to parties or events that do not like each other so that they can have a confrontation and that even at dinner tables that he stirs the pot. I forgot where I read it, but he went into great detail and gave examples of Andy stirring the pot.
Yes Beachygirl, if the situation were different the reaction would be different.
Brilliant observation you’ve made there.
I’m so sick of this non-comparison. The fact is there are NOT young women behind the bar and the dynamic between two men is an entirely different one. It is not the same thing.
Are you saying gay men cannot sexually harass other men???? Um….Kevin Spacey???? As just one example out of millions.
Personally I think Andy and his attitude are more detrimental to gay people in the here and now than Eddie Murphy saying “fag” in the 80s. He’s extremely misogynistic and consistently questions women on their breasts, vaginas and sex lives. He asks academy award nominated actresses titillating questions such as “I want you to rate your on camera kisses from best to worst”. He allows married men to have their sexuality questioned repeatedly on national TV in the name of ratings. He turned Amanda Stenburg’s discussion on cultural appropriation into his “jackhole of the day” on WWHL. Etc etc etc
So yeah, I’m glad neither Titus or Laverne were there for his shit.
My sentiment exactly. He is definite “detrimental to gay people”. I made this same statement several years ago. He is too flagrant for the intelligent, classy homeosexuals. Andy acts like a dirty old man.
Why the fuck do you people keep making me defend Andy Cohen? THERE IS NO SUCH THINGS AS A GAY MAN BEING TOO GAY FOR “THE INTELLIGENT, CLASSY HOMOSEXUALS.” I can’t believe what a WRONG statement that is. It implies there are dumb , classless homosexuals that … Fuck I can’t even go on about how wrong this is,
YOU ARE STUPID,
You are not DETRIMENTAL TO ME as an intelligent person at all. You are just some person who thinks you have some sort of privilege over gay people and get to decide who amongst them are “intelligent and Classy” as if the intelligent and classless homosexuals are beneath you, You are making my blood boil so that I may NEVER sleep. And I have been up all night enjoying a binge of Big Brother live feeds,
To say a gay man is “Too Flagrant for the classy people is despicable. I don’t think you even know what flagrant means. But Andy Cohen is a misogynistic asshole. That is my OPINION of him as a person. But your lumping gay people into certain stereotypes is UNACCEPTABLE even in the culture of Trump.
Hate Andy Cohen all you want. AS A PERSON. But DO NOT just lump him into a homophobic stereotype of the kind of gays you do not like.
Andy Cohen is misogynist just like straight guys are. And he mocks the women on the housewives franchises and makes them dance like puppets. He’s not a good person. But your comments about being Flagrant ( I presume you mean flamboyant) are just as offensive as he is.
Its nothing to do with class or anything like that and his sex life is his business. But if he wants to start shit about someones words DECADES ago then he should look at his own in the present. He asks inappropriate questions to women that most straight men would find themselves fired for or in court for asking in a work environment but because he’s gay he thinks he has some sort of pass. He does nothing to curb his darling housewives playing “guess their sexuality” every season and has himself played along on occasion and he harasses the young men that appear on WWHL. So he’s hardly the one to be calling others out.
Just my opinion. ✌🏻
Ps. That was meant to be directed at Skye.
Ever listen to a Howard Stern interview?
Was just about to mention Howard. Titus is lucky there werent questions about his ball sack or something.
TT Obviously you do not know the definition of flagrant……”obviously offensive, outrageous, scandalous, shocking, disgraceful, reprehensible, dreadful, terrible; gross, enormous, heinous, atrocious, monstrous, wicked.” AND furthermore I stand by every word I posted. It seems it made your blood boil welllllllllllllllllllll so be it. Take a pill.
Take an enema. You’re so backed up you’re spewing shit.
OMG your comments are absolutely ludicrous! Andy acts like a dirty old man?? Ridiculous. He’s a detriment to the gay community??? That’s idiotic I’m glad to see the people just jump on some stupid bandwagon just cuz. It’s okay he doesn’t have to have either one of them back. It’s not like they were huge draw for the show.
While I get the dirty old man comment, He acts more like an adolescent teenager who thinks his sexually harassing games seem abhorrent to most.
He believes his behavior to be “adorable”. Idiot.
If you’re all that offended, don’t watch him. He has the one show on TV that anything goes & as for the house wives, those women are extremely open, & willing to share WAY TOO MUCH, all in the name of staying rich & relevant. That’s why they kiss his ASS! Turn the channel if you’re bothered.
I stand by my opinion. 😉
I was breastfeeding my baby watching it on CC and picked up on it.
I feel like something happened before the show.They were both over Andy for sure. But, when a friend said they handed Andy his ass, my mind went to all the reasons I KNOW about that they should have Barbara K, Michael Darby, his debasement of his little collection of twinks he likes to use for dong pong… a million reasons ran through my mind. But something tells me it was more than just the comment he made insinuating that maybe Eddie Murphy would not associate with Titus because he is gay. But whatever happened, that seemed to be be the breaking point. I admit I wasn’t paying much attention to the signs until then because I was waiting for the big blowup on his stance on things as a whole.
The game about “getting it in” with past presidents was horrible and made me uncomfortable. Why would Andy think this was okay?
Then change ur channel.
I’m tired of this stupid retort. “Change the channel” isn’t the debate-ending statement you think it is. It is perfectly normal and legitimate to respond critically to media. If you are producing material into the public discourse, you should hope that viewers engage with it rather than simply turning it off. Sometimes engagement manifests as criticism. I am 100% certain that Bravo would rather viewers respond critically to WWHL than turn it off.
This exactly perm!
They’re probably the same type that writes “hello kyle” when someone says something about RHOBH they don’t like.
I agree with you TT something negative definitely happened before the show. Andy had too many games too much structure and was off. Titus was angry with him when the show began. We didnt see the argument but I believe something blew up before cameras were rolling.
Andy has ALWAYS been like this. He bashes our President on a daily basis, and everyone who is a guest has to bash him as well, otherwise Andy will not have them. He is disgusting and does nothing but spread hate. Very SAD given the strides he was allowed to make.
He is NOT OUR PRESIDENT. He is the President of the WHITE SUPREMACIST PARTY. So go fuck yourself. And as much as I am NOT and Andy Cohen fan, he was not ALLOWED to do any fucking thing. PEOPLE LIKE YOU KEPT HIM from being able to be HIMSELF. He now has risen from NBC page to a very influential person in the Entertainment industry. DESPITE ALL THE OBSTACLES! He’s created his own little misogynistic empire and is SUCEEDING at goals he never could have before.
DESPITE PEOPLE LIKE YOU!
So while I admire all of that, I still think he is a little twat who has been a circuit raisen on the gay scene and mocked by my friend for years. And he isn’t universally admired by the gay community. THat’s just how he portrays things. Perhaps he is keeping his dick in his pants now that he is a dad and isn’t under the dock trying to grab a barely legal dude. And perhaps he isn’t promising to let them bartend on WWHL. Or perhaps just catch a ping pong ball in their crotch or carry a small object in their bikini.. BUT IT SURE LOOKS THAT WAY ON TV TO MOST PEOPLE WHO KNOW A THING OR THREE.
I agree he is disgusting. I agree he promotes misogyny. But he was not ALLOWED to do anything. He earned his position DESPITE your racist, homophophic, Xenophobic fucking president. Now get the fuck off my site and stop making me defend Andy Fucking Cohen you Racist, homophobic piece of shit.
Thank you for saying this Tamara! I love you now more than ever!
Tamaratattles, you’re a weirdo. And so high strung for a TV personality. Kookoo for coco puffs.
Well EVaw, being a TV personality is so much harder than you think.
EVAW………she is NOT a TV personality. She just re-caps reality shows period. And you are right with your comments. And for everyone’s information if you are a citizen of the United States of American Donald J. Trump is your President. You can rant and rave all you want but that is a FACT. This happens to be something I can take or leave…..so I’m leaving and I will NOT be back. TT I hope you get help for your explosive personality you desperately need it.
America not American……..
Bye,Felicia
#notmypresident
Not my president. He is president of the country so I have to respect the office he is in but he is not my president. Sorry .
preach.
Honestly, I understand the sentiment and agrees with it for about 12 seconds. But when the man in the oval doesn’t respect the office… I’m out. That’s just my opinion.
I mean it is hard to respect the office when he is tweeting racist shit all day long. saying black people come from shithole countries, insults Americans, the city of Baltimore and the four young female congresswoman who are black or Muslim or non-white. this country is doomed. If you think that is OKAY. Then you are the part of the downfall of this country. If you are silent during all this or talking about the economy, you are COMPLACENT in the downfall of this country.
I was dumb enough to think all the racists and bigots would die off. But there are more every day.
I don’t raise my kids to be colorblind. I raise them to be color aware. When my son, 17 at the time, was walking through a neighborhood at 11 pm with friends and stopped by a cop, He didn’t ask them for IDs, he didn’t call their parents, just offered them a ride because there was a report of “suspicious” activity in the area and he worried for their safety First thing my son said to me was that if he didn’t look white, the situation would have went down differently. That’s when I knew for sure he was picking up what I put down. Parent win!!!!!
Nothing he has tweeted is racist. Have you been to the part of Baltimore that he was talking about? It is a rat infested shit-hole. There are PLENTY of videos out there showing it and there is even one showing the former Mayor of Baltimore saying you can smell the rats. I am from Maryland, and have been in all parts of Baltimore plenty of times. I have seen it first hand. Trump calls out people on their double standard BS. Elijah Cummings wants to sit there and talk about the conditions at the border but can’t see what is going on in his own district? The conditions at the border are way better than what’s going on in Baltimore. Turn off CNN & MSNBC and research facts, stop spewing “talking points” that you pick from the “media”
Word
Are you locked in a cage in Baltimore? Just wondering!
BeeSmart, who is He you wrote about, Andy C. or Trump? Trumps tweets are racist, he doesn’t care about Baltimore. You need to watch CNN and MSNBC news segments, not opinion shows if you are able. They don’t lie. They don’t answer to Trump. Why do you think Trump always calls them names?
The Committee on Oversight and Reform is the investigative committee in the U.S. House of Representatives with Rep Cummings as its Chairman. Trump is going after Cummings in hopes of Cummings backing down or to belittle Cummings in any manner. Then people like you will think less of Cummings so you will not take his investigation seriously. Trump is under investigation and Cummings heads that. You educate yourself. Trump always attacks people he fears, or disagree with him,The Right of Protest and Freedom of Speech are basic rights this country is founded on and the first two rights Trump would take away from you.
Ok TT delete this, I understand. After 2 years that scary kook still has support, real frightening,
What Trump said about Baltimore is 100% true and not racist. I am aware of what committee Cummings is a part of in Congress. Trump does not fear Cummings in the least bit, don’t get it twisted. By Trump putting Cummings and Baltimore on blast maybe they will get the help and attention they need to be the city it once was.
There is a ton of support for Trump, ever hear of the silent majority? We’ll still here!
We’re still here (and can’t spell either! :-))
The silent majority? LMFAO. Not silent. Not majority. Unless you include Russia, which is the ONLY reason he may win again. That’s why the grim reaper won’t allow for a secure voting process. They can’t win if they don’t cheat. Just like last time.
Allowed to make? What exactly are these strides? Holding down a decent job? Parenting a child? Openly having relationships without fear that he’ll be fired or worse?
I didn’t realise basic human rights were a privilege that must be allowed before one can utilise them. 🤣
I was also watching Big Brother live feeds last night. It’s a crappy season so I thought I’d put on WWHL for a distraction. I could immediately tell something was off. By the time I got to the Eddie Murphy comment, I was muttering “What a jerk!”. I was glad Titus made Andy feel as uncomfortable as he often makes his guests feel. I wonder if he’ll address it tonight since it’s all over the news today.
Before the show started they air a little segment where he introduces who’s going to be on the show Andy asked who did they think will get arrested tonight they both seemed taken back by that
Here! Here! Over the word police!
Thank you for this recap. Tamara, I thought it was me and was reading to much into their attitude, but I wasn’t wrong. It was totally obvious when Andy asked Titus about how Eddie Murphy treated him during filming the Dolomite movie. Titus gave him much “no he didn’t” shade as person would. I dare he tried to dredge up Eddie’s past. Love it when Laverne chimed in with people do evolve. No Laverne, Titus and the bartender was not having it last night. I really laugh out loud when Andy asked Titus did he say something. Commercial break next and Titus walked over to the bar. I think was tacky to have them, as guest, the night Bravo is pointing fingers at Michael Darby insinuating he is either bisexual or gay.
I call it not having having the clubhouse spirit. Sheryl Crow was not having any of his nonsense either. I missed the Debra Winger one but it made the headlines about her being so over him. Yes our darling Andy Pie is probs the most reviled gay in the world, and by the gay community. As far as Eddie goes I read Andy’s book most talkative and he was at the Eddie Murphy concert where all the the gay s**t went down. It stayed with him. And, as for Eddie M., remember his good Samaritan act of picking up the transsexual hooker (or something)?
Seriously?
Anyone who watches A.C. knows his journalistic style. If a celeb, artist, accomplished writer, etc., CHOOSES to be a guest on his show, keep in mind, we tune in every night for Andy, NOT his guests. He is a professional and understands that interviews can go “wonky” (😘 nod to Andy C) at any time. I don’t walk around everyday with a neon sign on my head glowing with all of my political, socio-economical, liberal or conservative passions, Andy is an example of a man, who is is full of family, goals, midwestern state of mind w a funky and healthy twist of NYC. Lighten up and respect that he has and excepts that he is on display for criticism and praise. He is the damn producer, he can do what he wants. I see him as accomplished, well-rounded example whom I am thrilled breaks many stereotypes that plague young people, who are brainwashed by their parents who have bigotry at heart, which are frequent conversations at my dinner table with my young son and daughter.
I don’t know Andy’s private thoughts on Howard Stern. The two, most definitely have a different style and social manners, however, they say what they think, and, do not apologize for who they are. The commonality… watch them because you despise them, you can’t wait to see what happens next, you appreciate the fact that they vocalize what they think and make zero apologies, you just plain LIKE them- you have a choices, and they dont care why you watch, just that you tune in when that time artives. They win, and they should.
Tszev, that would be accepts, not ‘excepts’…..as in…Andy accepts……
When the time *arrives.
I think both these people are “difficult” on their own. There have been lots of little articles and incidents. Not defending Andy. It’s a stupid fucking show; you have to be there ready to make an ass of yourself. If you take yourself too seriously it’s not gonna work.
Um, I’ve seen Titus on this show MANY times and he has never been like this. I’ve also seen him on Match Game and other random shows ans he is the belle of the ball. Something was different tonight and both guests seem perturbed. I have never heard of either of them being difficult. Titus has been on the show half a dozen times.
Just a reminder I predicted this misogyny seven years ago when I still liked him.
https://tamaratattles.com/2012/01/18/a-love-letter-to-andy-cohen/
It’s funny that you say you’re going to have to go to rehab on “his dime”, as we find ourselves in the present day, trying to figure out just why Bravo decided to pay for Luann’s rehab. Allegedly. Unless Bethenny really was the one who paid.
😘
TT, just in case, ALL this was answered on Wendy’s today by Tittus. Don’t want to say more in case you are writing …
What would his son say about the way Andy C acts, talks and interview his guest. Would he let his son sees episodes when he’s older.
Andy leave a legacy your son will be proud of.
Really, Good Grief people, Andy developed the show and there is a audience who enjoys it, i seldom watch but I did last night, twice. Near the end of the show, not a exact quote, Laverne said something about being a reserved or quiet woman, Andy looked over at her and repeated the statement and agreed with her. Tittus seemed to come on the show in a serious mood, He dressed in semi conservative black and appeared to be in a serious mood. I don’t know about all the other stuff.
Andy does radio and tv ads touting St Louis as a great family town. Since he is a dad and all. He also is doing the ads for Pride Night at the baseball game.
Makes me smile.
The show was so crappy. Laverne and Titus weren’t into his games at all. Titus really defended Eddie Murphy in spite of how Andy was saying he was no fan of Gays. I loved when Laverne said, People can evolve. Andy can’t!! That insane game of would you do the Presidents was just about the worst game ever. No one in their right mind would sleep with Richard Nixon or LBJ for fucks sake. Horrible show!!
Agreed I was sort of angry with my friend for saying Andy was getting a beatsdown because most people wouldn’t see much different. I watched for the shade, And I saw it, but I’ve seen it with straight people too, And they basically say “I’m not going to do that,:
As long as Andy can defile people for ratings, whether is is dick pong or encouraging housewives come for each other he will do it.
Do I agree with everything our president says and does? No. Do I agree with everything that previous presidents have said and done? No.
My argument is that everyone has strengths and weaknesses. We should pray for the strengths to overcome the weaknesses so that our country can become better than it has been.
I just wish that the House would just move on so that problems like infrastructure, immigration, and just all over relations could improve.
I have heard it from two sources on Celebrity Big Brother, our president loves to cause an uproar just so he can get more stuff actually done. The media will be so focused on what he is tweeting, that they don’t catch all of the other stuff he is doing. More stuff is done by back room deals, than done out in public.
How about we all show here that we are all different and just stop getting so angry about everything?
You are a cunt that is probably from an immigrant nation and I think your family came from a shithole country. And I can grab your pussy any time I feel like it because this is my site and I am the richest person of all time . I hope you don’t mind that I only like white people who have never been to college and have no education past how to milk a cow. BUT PLEASE I NEED YOU TO GIVE MY SITE VIEWS. See what I did there? This man is USING YOU>
I WILL NOT BE COMPLICIT IN WHAT THIS MAN WANTS TO DO TO OUR COUNTRY. I hope to be the fuck out of here by the time 2020 comes around. But the joke is I Can’t just move to Mexico or Canada just like that. I agree with sealing the borders, But just not in the nasty way he does it. Try going to Canada “the nice country” you can’t do that either. I HOPE LIKE HELL THE ONE THING HE DOES FOR THIS COUNTRY IS TO SHUT THE BORDERS!
Everyone in the world cannot live here. Eventually someone will notice that. As my mother once told me,”You can’t take everyone to raise.” and my choice is to give up my spot, But the fact remains that everyone can’t fit in the US or any other country. That is we have laws and alp why “sanctuary? places NEED TO STOP.
All I will say is that I will pray for you Tamara. I’m sorry that you are so angry about this.
I’m a multigenerational American citizen. My grandfather is a WW2 veteran. My grandmother worked on the planes going overseas during the war. My background is hardworking, come up from poverty Americans.
I am a Christian conservative who just wants all the anger and hatred to end because I love all people, even if I don’t agree with them.
At this point, “I just want all the anger and hated to end” is a microaggression, as is “I pray for you.” And “I love everybody” is not a get-out-if-responsibility-free card.
I actually have said a prayer during the day. My heart breaks for those who are hurting and not having the joy I feel.
THANK YOU NDN. 100% AGREE WITH YOU.
I get why TT is angry, but I can’t understand why she is so vile toward commenters with differing views. Do we all have to agree? Calling people cunts or whatever base insults TT uses is kind of Trump like. Practice what you preach.
I WILL CALL A RACIST A RACIST UNTIL THE DAY I DIE. AND RIGHT NOW THAT IS THE ENTIRE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
@ NDN, please tell me how that will happen when the President encourages racism, violence and hatred? He has promoted hate, violence and racism since the beginning of his campaign. I am a Christian too, and will never agree with his policies!
I hate a whole lot of what our president has said; however, there are some things that if you just look at it better, there is some truth to what he says. I just wish he could edit his talk via rallies and Twitter, for example.
WOW. So we should just look at racism, homophobia, xenophobia, antiiMuslim behavior better?
I’m sorry, I am not going to keep politics out our it anymore. THIS IS NO LONGER ABOUT POLITICS. IT’S ABOUT HATE. WE HAVE A HATEFUL PIECE OF SHIT AS THE PRESIDENT OF THIS COUNTRY,
MENTION IT ALL!
AND NOW I HAVE SAID IT.
There is no cute way to look at this president anymore.
Multigenerational American means nothing. Tells us nothing. Are you 100% Native American or descended from slaves? No? Then your family is IMMIGRANT. And as TT said, probably some shithole country situation which is why they were poor.
My family background has the same bonafides as yours… probably even MORE so. Civil War on the Northern side, a grandfather who couldn’t fight in WWII but participated in the drug trials on the uppers to keep pilots awake, other grandparents who worked in the shipyards, a cousin who just died of Agent Orange exposure 2 years ago… it wasn’t a pleasant way to go FYI, and a cousin currently serving, including time with the Seals. That is just a few things. You want to make this a pissing contest? Come at me, Boo.
But I also have family that knew when to protest against horrible government actions and horrible, racist people in positions of power, like the current WH occupant. Yes, there are times we need to “agree to disagree” and move past our differences and seek common ground. But there are times, as World War II taught us, that in weakly seeking to do so, we allow pure evil to rise. There was no negotiating with the likes of Mussolini or Adolph Hitler. We did not make them our bedfellows as Trump is doing with the current crop of dictators. YOU in making excuses for him and telling us we should be ashamed for not respecting him or tolerating what he is doing are being UNAMERICAN.
Your WWII relatives are probably rolling in their graves. You are like one of the blind Germans who saw and believed nothing bad about Hitler and fell for the propaganda.
My ancestors came here in the 1600s on a prison ship from Wales. Others from Germany, Scotland, Ireland, and England. We are all immigrants, except the Native Americans. Read the Statue of Liberty!
Tamara I salute you! I seriously despise that man in the White HOuse AND all his minions who don’t speak out. I don’t know what’s in his heart but what he spews is hateful, racist, divisive. homophobic. etc, etc. I agree with one poster who said look behind his tweets to see what he is really doing. He is a master manipulator. The media is dancing to his tune. Every single fucking day it’s something else. I am 70 yrs old and been through every president since Eisenhower. Some bad, some horrible(cue Nixon) but NONE dominated the news day in and day out. He knows his base very well and appeals to their failings…racism, nothing but white mentality. Keep on speaking out. I marched in the streets in the 60s to stop this shit and it’s rebounding and scary as hell
Was I drunk on the tequila cause I didn’t notice anything different. Maybe I blocked everything due to the dumb games or was in disbelief of the last couple of minutes of RHOP.
I could use some tequila right now after reading this recap (sorry, just trying to lighten the mood), but I have a hair appt. after I get off work at 5, so no drinking and driving for me. 🙂 I don’t watch Andy anymore except very, very, very rarely. I miss the Andy at the beginning when he first got started. Back then, he was like a kid on his very first trip to the candy store and seemed a lot more humbled by his opportunity, which he rightly deserved and deserves.
No worries JillyAnne.I also felt the same way about Andy at first and thought it would be cool to be in the audience. I think the show has gone to his head. I’m starting to believe the stories that Kathy Griffin has said about AC.
After your hair appointment you should make a cocktail. My summer choice is Squirt and tequila over ice. It’s very refreshing.
I watched this episode for about 10 minutes & turned it off & went to bed with a book. It did seem the guests were indifferent towards Andy but like the rest of us thought they must have been tired of his shtick. He really has brought the mainstream stereotypical view of gay people into out living rooms & had the opportunity to normalize the experience yet he has always chosen to step right into the gutter every single chance he gets. He reminds me of a less talented Truman Capote ( back in the day ) & has gone from America’s darling to a bitter washed up angry old man. Every single man on tbe planet deserves to be seen as their true authentic self ( without the whole mentor baggage) yet he has shown us all on numerous occasions how shallow & ugly he can be. I for one am not impressed.
Every once in awhile Andy will make a show of wagging his finger at Reunions regarding the homophobia and transphobia that is part of every RH franchise. Yet, he revels in the conflict and laughs along the rest of the time. And I keep watching so spread the fault and hypocrisy on myself as well.
I am really not “feeling” Andy anymore, I appreciated his hustle when he was eager to make the show work, now he is far too comfortable and full of himself. I am half expecting him to start talking about his cabaret show soon.
I see it as a sign that the world is over Andy and his bullshit misogyny. And it’s actually good to see him getting called out on it by the gay and trans community on his own fucking show.
The gay stuff is moderately interesting. I’ve noticed there is more a generational divide than anything. A lot of older gay dudes seem to be permanently living in the 80s/90s when it was Tuesday Rollerskating at the Roxy or Friday’s 1984 at the Crowbar. That scene has been dead for years but you still see it and its last gasps at gay resorts and on dreary gay cruises.
That period was also heavily influenced of course by the AIDS crisis. Remember that the hedonistic 70s and 80s gave way to this period where every gay went to the gym and shaved their body hair in an attempt to ‘signal’ that they were healthy. There was always a youth culture (I mean, it exists among straight males also) but it got amplified during the crisis because young was perceived as less risky. It did a lot of damage psychologically and I think most of us who are gay and lived through the 80s and early 90s carry around a decent amount of PTSD. Not an excuse, just an observation.
That scene also had a big camp element and also was viscerally misogynistic. I always wondered why lesbians didn’t secede. Seriously, HRC is basically old gay white men who don’t give a shit about women and never will. But that’s a topic for a different day.
I’m painting with obviously overly broad brushes, but it’s important I think to understand the muck that Andy was stuck in and has failed to crawl out of.
Younger gay dudes (and gals) don’t have time for that shit and the world is just, frankly, more woke thanks to #blacklivesmatter and #metoo among others. Now, you may not agree 100% with these movements and there is certainly excessive language policing, etc., but the basic goals of the social justice movement are sound in my view. As I said to someone who was complaining about Al Franken being taken down, “You know, women have been putting up with this shit for millennia. If the pendulum swings a little too far and takes down some men who maybe shouldn’t be taken down, I’m ok with that.” Privilege is real and for those of you who still think it means you led a life free of problems I’m happy to explain to you what the concept actually means.
For a person like Andy, his entire identity was being gay. It’s hard to wake up at some point and realize that nobody cares anymore. That you are effectively irrelevant and more of a throwback curiosity at this point. I don’t feel sorry for him in the least. He could grow the fuck up and actually make a positive contribution. But he won’t. Because he doesn’t know how.
Definitely food for thought.
Also with the AIDS crisis and people Andy’s age or older from the community, there has to be some residual, lingering trauma from that era for gay men. I was listening to an interview (an old one I think) that Andy did with Isaak Mitzrahi on Radio Andy. IM had not only connections with fashion AND Broadway in the 80s. I guess at one point a few years ago he stopped and figured out how many people he knew that had died of AIDS. It was over 100 people. I cannot imagine.
I think there are times that the younger generation of LGBTIA need to realize that trauma on top of coming out in a more homophobic world than we have now.
Nothing to add just that I love your comment.
HRC is Hilary Rodham Clinton? or House Republican Committee?
Human Rights Campaign. Its the largest civil rights for LGBTQIA organization out there. I think since it is the largest, it has been the slowest to really truly represent the TQIA part of that. Maybe even the Bi. They’ve done a lot that I respect. I have friends who know the higher ups in the Atlanta office and so get really good seats at their annual dinner (once they asked to sit with Nene. Andy came with her – they made Andy move his seat b/c they wanted to sit next to Nene. They told him he could talk to her at the reunion! LOL)
But I have to admit, Naa probably isn’t wrong – the pictures they post? Youngest guys there are probably late 40s. My one friend’s parents go all the time b/c everything – the entertainment, the speakers, as well as the mission, is right up their alley. It is kind of sweet though – the mom told me that they went one year even though her son and son-in-law weren’t. A bunch of their friends asked them to come anyway; one admitted that he just enjoyed knowing parents who didn’t reject their kid like his did. He got some extra mom hugs that year for sure.
But this isn’t uncommon for non-profits. The annual dinner type of fundraisers are for old people. Old rich people. Millenials and some of their parents (Gen Xers like me) don’t like the dress to the nines type of fundraisers b/c we just don’t dress up.
Don’t forget, HRC was dead set against pursuing marriage equality at the time. They are cowards who use women.
Wait, what? Like I said, most of what I know is from my friends… who got married where it was legal (D.C.) years ago. When did they switch?
They were against pursuing it with Obergefell. They were entirely too cautious and worried that there would be blowback. And then afterwards tried to make it seem like they were involved. It’s all very google-able. They are pretty much the comfy middle/upper class of the gay world. They are kind of also fading in relevancy!
Thanks, Naa! Yes, I think a lot of this is a generational thing…
naa,
younger gay dudes (and gals) take a whole helluva lot for granted. They think being gay isn’t a big part of their identity because they haven’t faced any real injustice or discrimination. Yet. The ignorance of youth.
Eventually they will come to realize that if they are gay, it colors each and every aspect of their lives.
You are wrong that nobody cares anymore. If the current administration succeeds in stripping all of your hard-won (by irrelevant, throwback curiosities) rights.
And don’t you dare disparage 1984 at Crowbar on Friday nights! That was my jam! (Also Musical Mondays at Splash…and Tuesdays at Wonderbar…😉)
Ugh, that’s supposed to say
“You’ll see if the current administration…”
Also, fwiw, there are many older gay men who have evolved beyond throwback curiosities. Andy just doesn’t happen to be one of them.
Wonderbar was my favorite. The beads. St Sebastian. The backroom. Sigh.
But I disagree with you. Young gays are post queer. And no moralizing to them about the dark days will get them to acknowledge it. Just like millions of AIDS deaths won’t get them to stop hooking up on Scruff and having unprotected sex. It’s just not how generations work.
The current administration is definitely a setback but expecting linear progress is always a mug’s game. Demographics favor continued progress over time.
Also, I am a few years older than Andy. Weirdly I think it makes a difference.
But I also appreciate the point about Murphy’s homophobia. He was and I suppose if Andy were 16 or so at the time it could be a big deal. Sounds like you were even younger. At that point, I was just trying to figure out how to stay alive and not necessarily liking my chances! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
“As I said to someone who was complaining about Al Franken being taken down, “You know, women have been putting up with this shit for millennia. If the pendulum swings a little too far and takes down some men who maybe shouldn’t be taken down, I’m ok with that.”
You sound like an extremist, the stereotype of liberals that many people have and quite frankly why we have a clown like Donald Trump in the White House.
I was waiting for the moron contingency here to show up. Really, what sounds like extremist about that? Do you think women have been well treated for millennia by men? Do you think that all Franken was murdered because he was a man, raped because he was a man, treated like a second-class citizen because he was a man, denied rights because he was a man?
In comparison, he got it easy. I mean, if you’re going to come at me, please bring your A game, not this nonsensical drivel. Thanks in advance.
Someone referred to it briefly already, but I’m going to flesh it out a little. Andy probably can’t necessarily be neutral about Eddie Murphy. It was personally traumatizing to him. He spoke of it when he interviewed Kevin Hart even.
During the time that Eddie was doing the tour where he made a shit ton of fag jokes that were extremely homophobic, Andy said he was a big fan and still very much in the closet. He went to the concert (this was before it was on HBO or wherever… so no warning ahead of time.). He said that he was in the crowd when that part of the routine came up… and people around him laughing.
I think Andy even said at one point he got scared. He ended up crying in the bathroom.
So yes, Laverne is right. People evolve. I believe that and celebrate it. But it doesn’t mean that past behaviors aren’t still painful for the people who experienced that trauma directly.
So I don’t think it was current Andy asking that question of Titus – it was the young Andy sobbing in the bathroom at a concert venue in St. Louis.
Erica that was a brilliant comment and so well said. Thank you for writing that and illustrating what happened.
Erica,
Here’s the thing about Eddie Murphy that nobody here seems to be getting:
All of those numerous faggot jokes were turned around and weaponized against us.
Both his first comedy album and the HBO special “Delirious” the next year were EXTREMELY popular and extremely memorable.
I’m only two or three years younger than Andy, so we were going through school at roughly the same time. If his school was anything like mine, there were countless kids there who thought it was oh-so-clever and oh-so-funny to repeat all of those faggot jokes but instead make them about him (me) personally.
So yes, even 35+ years later I can still repeat many of them verbatim because I heard them so many times with me as the punchline. I mean, if I had $1.00 for every “homina homina homina” launched in my direction, I’d never have to work again!
So I totally understand why Andy would side-eye an Eddie Murphy connection. It doesn’t mean he is on some permanent shit list or anything, but you can’t just let all that go without saying something! Personally, I can’t be bothered to feel any kind of way about Eddie Murphy, good bad or otherwise, but I doubt I’ll ever be a fan.
I didnt even think of those angles… so for Andy, who not only heard it live and in person, it would have then been repeated in HS hallways. I graduated in 89, so we are around the same age.
I wasn’t a fan of his blue comedy, but I do remember how HUGE he was. My cousin adored him and his mom let him watch rated R stuff from when he was 8 or 9 so he for sure watched that HBO special.
I was probably ignorant/sheltered enough to not even have the word faggot on my radar. My particular graduating class was pretty chill for some reason. (even our teachers told me that years later, when I taught with them) Hell, my “gaydar” didn’t kick in until college – my sophomore year high school crush was CLEARLY not into girls. (I mentioned this to a couple of mutual hs friends at my 10 year. One said “boy, you were pretty clueless, weren’t you?” and started laughing her ass off) I’m sad to think that because it just simply wasn’t part of the things I’d be aware of, that friends of mine might have been hurt or in pain because of things said in the hallway and I didn’t have their back.
So I say it again, I believe people can evolve and hope that Eddie has and that if he did apologize he meant it sincerely. But that doesn’t mean that the trauma isn’t still there for you, Andy, and others like you.
You skipped over the most important part… where can I get that shirt Tamara??
Excellent observations and food for thought on this thread, particularly from naa and Erica. Thanks for the read.
I agree. I keep reading this thread over and over. I appreciate some responses more than others.
So have I. Insightful.
Ericzku has me thinking hard too! Thanks for your kind words, peeps.
I didn’t notice the body language and intonations until I watched again. I did notice that when Andy said something about the bartender being able to “belt it,” that Titus acted offended— as if EVERYONE KNOWS THAT. Andy was paying a compliment and sometimes people watching do not know, so that took me aback. When Andy asked Titus about talking to Eddie, I thought he meant the typical — did you get to talk with him? because sometimes people on the same movie don’t do scenes together or never even see each other. That was when I realized something was off because on his other appearances, Titus was very friendly. The president PIWF game was sophomoric, like much of most shows.
So…. I have a little insight on this situation. When I lived in NY I was friends with some people who knew Andy pretty well. He is absolutely disgusting to young gay men from what I’ve heard. I clearly wasn’t his type as he never gave me the time of day. One of the young guys he seemed to chase the most in those days was actually good friends with Laverne. This was before she was famous. I’m not surprised she wasn’t especially comfortable around him. I’m sure she’s heard most of the stories I have. Or witnessed his behavior herself.
Thanks for the tea brighteyes!
Thanks! I have tons of tea about Andy and RHONY from 2011-2016 or so. Dorinda knew from the jump how to be a fan favorite. That’s all I’ll say about that.
Brighteyes what do you mean about Dorinda?
I believe she is referring to how Andy curries FAVORS from his work colleagues. Alledgedly. Goggle favors or any interview with Kathy Griffin.
Then she (Laverne) is a bit of a hypocrite and so is Titus. BOTH have been on the show before (I think LC has, if not WWHL, definitely Radio Andy) and both have brought their A game and seemed to have a good time.
If they are doing this to defend Eddie Murphy, then shame on them.
You are a fucking moron, Back in the eighties we were kids just learning about sexuality. When AIDS happened and I started going to bars.. what I found was my community Go fuck yourself,
Fuck off, then. What the hell does my comment have to do with the eighties? If Andy did something to either Titus or Laverne’s friends… then neither of them should have kissed his ass as guests the times before. Clearly the only difference is Eddie, who doesnt need or deserve defending.
Maybe you should fuck yourself and relieve some of the tension.
I thought I was seeing things during last night’s episode. Definitely sensed tension. Did you see Titus’s Instagram post regarding the matter?
Well I have to admit that I feel like Gizelle yesterday getting popcorn to watch the Darby’s on television. I got my popcorn while reading this blog. And WOW, it was very interesting. TT has cussed out alot of people today! It was a great conversation about Andy, Titus, Laverne and our ideas and opinions. This was fun!!! One reason why we love the USA and others want to come here. Praying for all of you and myself!
POST UPDATED WITH RESPONSE FROM Tituss Burgess!
I thought it very interesting that right at the top, Burgess says what Andy’s show is (and isn’t).
That strikes me as rather like me telling you what to blog about or telling you what you should blog about.
I mean, if he thinks WWHL isn’t a place to re-hash old rumors, he’s never watched the show before. That’s exactly the type of show it is: re-hash old rumors, talk about old co-stars, explain old break-ups. Isn’t that the whole point of the “Plead the Fifth” game?
I’m not going to defend Andy’s interviewing skills. He’s always been terrible and everybody knows it. But I also think Titus Burgess thought he was on a different show.
He’s been on the show half a dozen times.HE IS JUST OVER ANDY’S BULLSHIT. As I have been for YEARS . I was an Andy fan for a long time. But my eyes were opened years ago about Andy.
https://tamaratattles.com/2012/01/18/a-love-letter-to-andy-cohen/
He then went WAY FAR IN ANOTHER DIRECTION.
Ericzku, agree 100%. TT already knows I’m not “over” Andy and am still a big fan. A big reason why I keep SiriusXM is Radio Andy. But T, if you are right and he’s over the bullshit, then he shouldn’t have gone on in the first place OR if it was some sort of contractual obligation, then draw upon those ACTING CHOPS he bragged about in his response and pull a good performance out of his ass. I am sure there have been others who aren’t huge fans of the format who suck it up. There is a show on Radio Andy where two people from WWHL crew talk about the past week’s show. They have mentioned several times that they do comply with the “please don’t’ talk about this” requests from guests (housewives and current season fights notwithstanding).
I simply don’t see the issue with asking Titus about how much he got to interact with EM, even without the history of Delirious. I know someone who used to work in the industry (hair, so lots of time w/ the pretty people as they had their hair done up, and lots of time sitting in the sidelines waiting to touch up the ‘do between takes). I didn’t know for a while that he even did this – he’s not a braggart. But totally ok w/ me asking questions when a random person came up and he worked on a set. Some famous peeps have an entourage around them that keeps them isolated except for maybe one or two costars deemed worthy and the director. Some are pretty down to earth and tend to hang with the crew more than anyone between takes, etc. Eddie has been known to have an entourage and to be fairly private.
Andy never has pretended to be Anderson Cooper. WWHL has NEVER been a serious news or interview show. It is more Stern than Cooper, and in THAT comparison, Andy could go a lot further. I think it is dirty pool to evoke the name of one of his best friends and someone he tours with.
Tamara-
First time/Long time here.
So, I’m reading along, trying to enjoy my day and momentarily forget this daily nightmare we are living in and along comes “Laura B” with her “our president” bullshit. Oh no. No no no no nooooope.
Then we have “Skye” and the ironically named “Bee Smart” who suggests we “turn off MSNBC and do our research.” Obviously “Bee Smart” has never been smart enough to watch Rachel Maddow whose show is nothing but research. Then she bashes Elijah Cummings who, imo, has been one of the few politicians to adequately express the proper level of indignation at this administrations complete and utter failures. He demanded answers from Trumps latest DHS dick as to why children are left to sit in their own filth. So yeah “Bee Smart” things are “way better at the border than in Baltimore.” God I hope you don’t have children. Maybe “NDN” the “christian conservative” will pray for you. She has plenty of time now that she’s “moved on.”
So, for all the above-mentioned names, I dedicate RandyRainbows “Suckers” Watch it and learn something.
PS You too “Fancy Pants.”
Thank you Tamara.
I have tried REALLY HARD to keep “politics” out of here. I really have. It was about business. Now I sort of feel like those fucking pieces of shit sell out republicans The same damn ones that call 45 out for being racist and mysogynists. The same thing I call out other reality show personalities for.
At this point, I DON’T GIVE A SHIT. If you like this president, you have major fucking issues. I don’t care if I fucked you last Tuesday. I can no longer pretend this is okay.
45 is a F*ing lunatic and his followers are delusional. They overlook his insane and racist positions b/c the stock market is doing well. Or they are racists and his rhetoric speaks to them. Sorry not sorry to inject politics.
I’m not either. I am over pretending like what is happening to this country is okay. I am over not wanting to hurt family friend or commenters here. This is literally how the Holocaust started. I am not trying to exaggerate. Hitler had a lot of happy constituents too. And he was not as overt. We need to vote EVERY SINGLE FUCKING REPUBLICAN OUT OF OFFICE in 2020.
Tell it sister ! We are obligated as human beings to be intolerant at the ill treatment of other fellow human beings regardless of race religion or points of origin. I am humiliated & appalled every single time that man speaks about things/ people & places he knows nothing about. It makes us all look bad. Anyone who doesn’t speak up & out are guilty by omission.
From my WOC eyes, Andy looked unprepared. It didn’t look like Titus appreciated the comment about Eddie Murphy nor the game with Lily the B’Way singer mimicking the sounds of the HW.
The optics were not good. White man clearly unprepared to ask about his guests accomplishments. When he had her mimicking the HW sounds, I felt uncomfortable. It was like a “dance monkey” situation. Surely she had more to contribute.
Thanks for your perspective. I fell asleep and haven’t watched, so going off of TTs recap and others descriptions of what they noticed. I didn’t realize the bartender was a WOC. Unfortunately, some of those games DO fall flat (as his people have admitted on their radio show), but they are also something that are come up with quickly because this is a 5 days a week show. Andy HAS admitted that he forgets sometimes who has been on the show vs. people he’s just interacted with elsewhere. That coupled with the fact that hes figuring out how to balance the work life thing as a new single dad of an infant means his crew needs to step it up. They may also need to check on how diverse the staff is, so that they can have a gut check on all sorts of angles and perspectives.
However, I will say that as a frequent guest, perhaps Titus could have given him a little benefit of the doubt and carried the show for him a little more. Most of the things Ive read, people felt that Titus had a bit of a chip on his shoulder before Andy’s awkward questions. Maybe Andy forgot something before they went on the air? I keep reading about a “musical” that Titus is working on that Andy forgot. Well, fuckballs… Andy knows the Broadway community well (he has long time friends active in it). I’m sure they are ALL working on something! So he got confused on whether or not Titus is one of them! ( I certainly dont think of Titus when I think of Broadway…)
Why do we women watch this garbage?? I have been watching since first season of RHOC. NO MORE. I will not watch women tear each other apart for ratings and money. And Anderson Cooper, shame on you. I bought your book recently (Rainbow? Something with your mom). She was a gutsy gal; you are pathetic for associating with Andy Cohen, who is a piece of garbage who exploits women for money. Shame on you. Every dollar Andy Cohen makes is at the expense of women. Ladies! If you really believe in the #metoo movement, PLEASE stop watching this trash.
I agree with TT’s comments about the story lines on Housewives, revolving around whether a married man is gay or not, is pretty sick and detrimental when people kill themselves over being gay or being outed.
I think rewarding HW’s like Teresa, a felon/criminal and a violent bully like Nene with high salaries and making them household names is pretty disgusting too. Those women have no talent. Don’t even start on Nene’s acting. Her acting did not seem natural. I’ve seen kids in a high school play be more convincing in their roles.
However, I watched the show last night and Andy congratulated Titus and was nice to him and Titus had a stank attitude. All he had to do was say Eddie was cool with him and leave it at that.
As far as Andy being “messy” what do people expect on his show or Wendy Williams? It isn’t going to be like the same old boring interviews you see elsewhere where the guests give the same responses to the same old tired questions. It’s part of the reason why we watch those shows and why they are recapped here and why episodes of “Entertainment Tonight” are not.
It’s always jarring to me to see real talent on WWHL. Venerable actors playing those games? I know it’s part of their contracts to plug their projects on shows. Could Titus Burgess have been concerned that Andy’s comments about Eddie Murphy would hurt the success of the movie or his own career prospects? I’m just speculating. Like TT pointed out, Titus has been on this ridiculous shit show before. I appreciate the many insights shared here, even those different from my own.
Yes, the many comments here seem to not understand what happened. Titus was on the show to promote a movie he stars in with Eddie Murphy. Andy Cohen immediately began trashing his co-star. As the host of the show, it’s unheard up that you would say anything negative about the show the guest was promoting. Titus was on WW today an his interview with Andy was all she wanted to talk about.
Titus calls Andy a messy queen, yet HE is the messy one. Having been an enjoyable guest on WWHL many times, he KNOWS this show is not Inside the Actors Studio. (I bet at one time, he thought he was hot shit making it on the show.) When Andy asked about Eddie, he gave Titus the perfect opportunity to illustrate that people evolve, and to be classy, but only Laverne was.
Andy often asks actors if they interacted with another and sometimes they don’t even SEE each other during filming. He sometimes asks questions HE knows the answer to but viewers do not; that is part of an interviewer’s job. Love or hate him, Andy has worked VERY HARD to get where he is — and back when being gay added a huge obstacle to getting there. He is a trailblazer. There are times when I think his fondness for pot messes with his short-term memory; perhaps Andy should consider prepping sans smoke. Looking forward to the Dolomite movie.
I just felt blessed to see Lillias White and hear her tale of starring in Cats. She is a wonder!
But having her make the noises was another stupid game 🙁
But if you are somewhat even remotely famous and are bartending, they have you do one of the stupid games. That is NOTHING new!
I will never understand your determination to support Andy Cohen. He’s a POS and his show is an angry mess. I’ve never seen a talk show that wants to degrade his guests. But it is very Bravo. That is really on point.
I love it that Andy accused you of being Kenya and ratchet, but someone with actual talent called Andy on his rachet behavior
I’m totally TEAM TITUS! And yeah, I liked that part the best.
A little ratchet can go along way when it comes to stubborn nutsatchels.