On tonight’s Real Housewives of New York it would suit me just fine if Luann de Lesseps and Dorinda Medley would just makeup already. Things start off looking good. Bethenny Frankel has summoned Luann to the bar to chat with Dorinda. John Mahdessian is there. Fake compliments are being dished out. There is chit chat about hairdryers and Luann’s hat.. This is a fine start. Dorinda says she misses Lu and wants to talk to her. Luann says Sonja Morgan’s Paper Magazine party is not the place. But they will another time. So far so good.
Bethenny Frankel seems to think that Luann thinks she has the upper hand and isn’t as open to it. That is because Luann deserves and apology from Dorinda, Bethenny. That’s how it works. Dorinda leaves with John after telling everyone including Luann goodbye. She tells us she is trying to be warm and friendly with the hope that she and Luann can reconcile.
A Lesbian Drive-by
Meanwhile, Sonja is declaring to anyone who will listen who is fuckable and who is not. Barbara is despite her constantly calling her masculine or butch. So that is rude. Then she says Tinsley Mortimer is like a little doll you just look at and put back on the shelf. That is also rude. I get what Sonja is trying to say, but the way she says it is not winning her any friends. I think she may be pushing Tinsley to play for the other team. And by the other team, I mean Team Brunette. It to early in the season to start losing allies, Sonja. Luann tells Ramona she better not talk trash about her anymore.
The next thing you know, Sonja is having a full on makeout session with a random extra. She calls into the VIP session asking Sonja if she can kiss her. The next thing you know they are rounding first base. And then, just like that, the mystery woman disappears. In my experience, when you start making out with other women, it’s time to call it a night. Allegedly.
A Countess In The Soup Kitchen
I’m not thrilled with this scene. Luann’s task is to ladle soup into containers, and put the top on. There are specific directions. She ignores them. Hard is it to ladle twelve ounces of soup into a bowl? Stop your bitching, Lu. Luann says that her parole officer is mean. She doesn’t seem like she understands she can’t leave town without permission. Has she gotten permission to do all to these cabaret shows?
If The Shoe Fits
Tinsley Mortimer’s mom, Dale is in town. Because Dale has never met a camera she didn’t like. She walks into the bar? lobby? With a dog wearing a sweater in one hand, and an Neverfull in the other. I’m not sure which annoys me more. I don’t think of Neverfull’s as a handbag for an older woman. They are more like something you carry your water bottle and towel in when going to the gym, or the beach. That’s just me. I got an hour of walking in somehow today and if I could lie down right now, I could sleep until next week. I can’t do that either as I have to meet with the tax man tomorrow. So I’m like a cranky baby right now, tired and irritable.
But what Tinsley is irked by is that Dale is wearing shoes from Topper’s new wife’s shoe line. Then Dale goes on and on about how cute Topper’s baby with the new wife is. With moms like this, who needs enemies.
Random Question1: Why do NYC women eat lunch in department stores when there are hundreds of great restaurants literally on every corner?
Random Question 2: Why do we have to see Ramona on blind dates? It’s excruciating and I’m not even on the date. Ramona is too good for this guy. Read that again.
And Now For The Main Event
Bethenny Frankel has decided to take Dorinda Medley and Luann de Lesseps to lunch to broker a truce. I do not have high hopes. Dorinda has dyed her hair pink for the event. Because she wants to look gangster. I don’t get it either.
Luann mentions her house upstate and mentions that it is round. Dorinda starts offering all sorts of reasons why round houses are great. This is how I am going to spend my evening? If I was in bed in clean PJs this would be fine to watch until I fell asleep. But recapping this is like recapping … well there is no good analogy for it. Let’s get on with the showdown.
Barbara shows up in a fedora. Apparently they were supposed to dress like gangsters? There are dress codes of lunching with ladies now? Barbara says in a talking head that Dorinda’s problem is that she never admits she has done anything wrong.
Then we have some footage from Cartegena. Dorinda was awful. She says she has apologized for it. She denies that she heckled Lu at her cabaret show. Basically, Luann expects an apology or ten. I think Dorinda needs to do that. Dorinda does not. Dorinda just wants to let it go and move forward. This is a problem. Luann says they can just have a truce. That seems to be as good as it is going to get.
Barbara Visits Dorinda to Talk About Apartment Renovations
I started looking for a park near my CPA during the Sonja, Dale, Tinsley scene. Sorry. I was sort of over it after they were trying to figure out how to pronounce cum laude.
Barbara Kavovit suggests painting the entire place, redoing the floors, changing out the recessed lighting, new kitchen counter tops… with each suggestion, that Dorinda asks for she seem to get a bit testier.
If I’m Drinking Kool-Aid, Dorinda’s Sniffing Glue
So from that mental state they start talking about Luann. Dorinda thinks Luann has some sort of obsession with her about an apology. She thinks Luann needs therapy. Dorinda loses her mind when Barbara says that she and Luann have two different perspectives and need to look at the other person’s position.
It’s at this point I realize Dorinda is drunk. I rewind to see how long Dorinda was out of the room when she came back to get her phone. They are drinking champagne, but a flip has switched with Dorinda. She accuses Barbara of drinking the Kool-aid. Now there is a throwback to middle school. Dorinda looks like she might pop an artery. Barbara says that Dorinda was at a lunch with some of the girls waving around the 18 page document on Luann’s legal situation with the Count and the kids. Once again, as Dorinda denies it, production plays tape of her doing it. She says that Sonja did it.
Suddenly, Dorinda bursts into tears talking about what a good friend she has been to Luann. You know, when she wasn’t mocking her arrest and treating her like total shit. Or publicly heckling her at Luann’s cabaret show. Other than a bunch of things like that she was nice to Luann. She prayed for her. She gets increasingly agitated and tells Barbara that she is not going to get sick over this. It has to stop. Then she throws her out of her apartment. Barbara says she can take her renovation and do it herself.
Next week, Bethenny Frankel has grief counseling on national television. Who thought that was wise? Tinsley has a dog show for charity. The ladies realized that Scott Kluth might not be that committed to Tinsley. Dorinda hosts Halloween at Blue Stone Manor.
The Sonja kiss was fake as hell. I’m sure the Producer’s told some extra to go over and kiss Sonja and I’m sure Sonja was in on it as well.
I wasn’t paying too much attention when Dorinda started to lose it with Barbara. It did seem like something switched in her and I didn’t even realize that she had been drinking. Maybe because she seems on a loop.
I am very happy that it was Ramona(less). It was just the right amount of time for Ramona.
Has anyone else notice that Tinsley hasn’t been filming in her “penthouse”. I am sure she is either back in her original place or something cheaper. I am sure Scott if he ever did pay for it, isn’t now.
Great recap, Tamara. Thank you
Lu having some of the soup was awful. She’s so self involved. You’re doing community service. You are not at lunch with a girlfriend. You are there to give back, not take for yourself. Keep lying about how serious you take your community service.
Am I way off or did she bring a friend to her community service job? Can you do that? Wasn’t that the friend from the Hamptons with the feathered hair?
yes! it was Ann, her hair is amazing, isn’t it?
So I’m on the west coast and just getting both this show and Project Runway. It’s a good night. Should I get out the popcorn?
Yes!
I’m just watching too, yum!
Not a Tinsley fan, but WHAT THE FUCK, DALE???!!!
A mother from Hell! She seems very purposefully mean to her daughter. Jealousy? I wouldn’t want to be around either one of them. Tinsley is a walking ball of insecurity, and now we know why.
Dale did not want Tinsley to divorce Topper. He is a Mortimer after all. And Tinsley dated a German prince which Dale did not approve of so she went to the library and had someone find a book showing that someone in his family had a Nazi connection in WWII. Dale is a carpet company money who climbed the peak of Mount Society when Tinsley was a Mortimer. She is furious Tinsley have this stamp of society approval away.
I do like Tinsley, but I have a different take. I think her mom is trying to be a little spicy to make it more interesting for her daughter’a storyline a la Mama Elsa. I also think that she is undoubtedly extremely upset to have her daughter wasting time at age 40 with a guy who clearly has no intention of marrying her instead of moving on to greener pastures. And she knew that scene would make the show.
I may have had too many vodka sodas, but when I first saw the Ramona blind date segment, I thought that dude worked at the restaurant. Like I seriously thought he was a waiter or a maître d’ or something.
What exactly is the purpose of Tinsley on this show?
Tinsley’s mom is horrible…I am still in shock over her stealth attack on Tinsley this episode. Poor Tinsley…
Tinsley’s Mom was not just mean, she was cruel IMO. She knows her daughter’s weakness for being dependent on a man and she jabs her with those ex-hubby and wife comments about the baby and shows off her shoes. Cruel.
I totally agree that Dale (my autocorrect changed Dale to fake, i may have accidentally typed Dake, but still i agree with auto correct on this one), anyhoo, i agree that Dale was completely cruel. I do not think that Tinsley is bitter over her split with Topper. After all, i do recall the Dr. Phil show, and if memory serves, Tinsley had nothing but good things to say about Topper explaining that they had simply grown apart. What is so hard about you supporting your daughter Dale? I can’t help but think that Dale is cute as bugs nose though.
I may have somewhat of an answer about the ladies eating in department stores, Tamara, i didn’t even know department stores had restaurants until recently, but I’m here for it simply because, My daughter and i were browsing in Macy’s last month at the Houston galleria when they suddenly had one of the cooks come out with samples of their Chicken Pot Pie Soup. Of course, we go ahead and partake in the sample, twice, i partake in anything free, well almost anything, then we continue browsing…darnit if not 30 minutes later I’m starving for more of that chicken pot pie soup. It was delish!!! We had warm bread and butter and an avocado&turkey sandwich with our chicken pot pie soup, sounds pretty basic but it was the best bread&butter, sandwich and soup I’ve had in a good long while and will no doubt go back for more.
I love to see Sonja living and being fabulous. She looks happy and healthy and darn right incredible, and I’m happy for her. Whether that kiss was scripted or not who cares, it was hot and i love it. May sound crazy but one of the reasons i loved that scene of those two women kissing was because it’s just about dang time that there be no stigma surrounding any two willing people kissing regardless of anything. Ya know what i mean??!!
Damn I’m sorry I’m on one tonight. Love to Tamara and to all of my Tamaratattles friends.
Good night.
Tinsley’s mom is mean, I find that sad. I also find it sad that I can’t have photos and film of me with the filters that Dorinda has!
Dorinda is mean when she drinks (see Cartagena). LuAnn is stuck on herself when she’s sober (see all her seasons on RHONY). They are both in the wrong.
The problem with so many apology situations is that you just end up right back rehashing the fight. One person might apologize, expecting the other person to apologize also–but then if she doesn’t, they are right back in the fight. Or the first person might say, “I’m sorry I said [whatever], but it was only because you [whatever].” And they are right back in the fight.
I don’t think it is good to expect or demand an apology. If someone apologizes to you, great! If they don’t, decide if you still want to be friends with them. If you do, just reestablish a cordial relationship; act normal and friendly. LuAnn is so fixated on the idea that Dorinda owes her an apology, she doesn’t even consider how she has hurt Dorinda and owes D an apology. If Dorinda HAD apologized at the gangster lunch, Lu would still not have (I think D knew that), and so Dorinda would still be hurt and upset.
Dorinda was clearly trying to be warm and cordial to LuAnn at the gangster lunch. She was clearly trying to reestablish a friendly relationship. LuAnn was clearly on her (usual) high horse, acting very cold and off-putting.
Dorinda was very hurt that Lu had not invited D’s boyfriend of 7 years to her first cabaret (to which she did invite Scott, Tinsley’s occasionally-on, mostly-off boyfriend)–and that shunning of John is part of their ongoing treatment of John as beneath them. They all look down on him. That is what hurts and angers Dorinda. She can’t stand that LuAnn acts like she is above others, especially John. But Lu so takes it for granted that she is high above John that she can’t even see why Dorinda is hurt.
If Lu had just followed Dorinda’s lead at that luncheon and been friendly, things would be better for both of them.
I agree. When Barbara says in a talking head that Dorinda’s problem is that she never admits she has done anything wrong she doesn’t realize she was also describing Lu.
Dorinda won’t admit she heckled Lu at the Cabaret show and Lu won’t admit her passive/aggressive dismissal of John from the show. Dorinda wouldn’t admit to discussing Lu’s court case with the Ladies and Lu wouldn’t admit she bashed Dorinda in the press post season after she supposedly accepted her apology in Cartagena.
Lu wouldn’t follow Dorinda’s lead at the luncheon because as we’ve seen since Season One, Lu is the Lisa Vanderpump of NY. Always expects an apology but rarely willing to give one.
Who gives a shit about John? Even Dorinda figured out to keep him off the show. It cut too close to exposing her drug use and his (viagra for sure -typical middle aged dude) however recreational. Right up there with Avivas creepy dad, and that date Luann had 4th season with that gross tounge!
John is an ass. Comple D Bag.
I’ve always thought of Sonja as a Patsy (Absolutely Fabulous). A few people here say she’s so sweet, and I’m like no, she can be mean. Not Dorinda mean, because that woman is a slurry badger when she’s drunk.
This is pretty much the only housewives show I still enjoy. Thanks TT for the recap.
Yes, you are right she is like Patsy! Funny, but can be mean.
are we totally gonna ignore in the previews when Ramona says that creepy statue at Blue Stone Manor looked like Bethenny crying, cuz I havent been able to think of anything else since I heard it….TOO FUNNNNNNY!
My favorite part of the show..lmao
Who else thinks that the minute Lu is off of probation she’s back to drinking?
I always thought Dorinda’s apt was small and shabby for her. I guess all her decorating was saved for Blue Stone Manor which is gorgeous. I’m glad she moved, the apt looks dark and dreary and where she goes to drink and sleep and mourn Richard.
Agree with the recap. Dorinda is completely delusional and what everyone said is true. She refuses to ever accept responsibility. Instead she turns it around, makes herself the victim and tries to outscream then walks out. Barbara and B were correct. Bottom line is it doesn’t matter if she was good to Louisville on other things when she was so horribly cruel and went for the jugular in Cartagena. She’s owed an apology.
Sonja is hilarious. She seems quite fluid, shall we say. She gets one drink and grabs women. I can’t with Ramona around a man. Eck. So did Lu sell the Hamptons home or now has both? Bethenny is funny but we now know it’s all performance on Dennis. We found out from that hearing the other day that she was dating her current boyfriend before Dennis died. So the story that she just met him etc. was all a lie. I guess she was back-and-forth between the two, but that’s why five minutes after Dennis died we were hearing about the guy Paul.
Oh and Sonja and Dale were totally right about Tinsley. Scott was never going to marry her. She made herself too available.
I wonder if Dorinda is seeing John that much anymore? Caught the last 15 minutes of last week’s episode at Paper Magazine party and when John arrived they both said it was nice to see each other.
Sonja stating no one is better with a caulk gun than her cracked me up. I get it.
Ramona on that date was so cringeworthy. He made Ramona look sane. “Let’s begin with my conception…”
Lu and Dorinda need to apologize to each other. Doubt that, with Barbara around.
A sedate Bethenny I like. Too bad it’s over Dennis’ death. She does have some good one liners.
Last night on WWHL, Ramona did a blindfolded dating game segment. One of the guys was Frank Catonia. She picked a swim instructor who is 48. Felt bad for Ramona going along with this stupid Andy game.
Yes Spunky- I thought the same thing when Dorinda greeted John “Nice to see you” seemed like they hadn’t seen each other for quite a while and not like they are boyfriend and girlfriend. I don’t think they are seeing each other any more.
It was interesting when John asked Dorinda and B is he going to have to do clean up. I assume he meant if Dorinda and Lu exploded
I thought B looked heavy lead medicated too through most scenes.
Nordstrom Cafe is fucking delicious. Just saying.
Also, re watch the intro and tell me that the NYC franchise is not the dorkiest. I dare you. These girls grew up with so much money and so many people telling them they were so precious that they don’t know how to act like normal human beings. And they are so uncomfortable in their own skin. It’s all shoulders and knees. Even Ramona, who I think is actually physically gorgeous, looks crazy insecure if you only look at her body language. Sonja is the same. The only one who actually looks secure in her body is Bethany and maybe the countess… but then lu opens her mouth and can’t help but name drop and belittle others… just like the rest of them. I’m LIVING for Barbara, though.
Sorry, Spunky- this has nothing to do with your original comment and was not meant to be posted as a reply. I just fucked up. 🤷♀️
Rock Candy, I think only Tinsley came from money and Bethany’s sometimes depending on who her Mom was married to at the time. Luanne came from farmers, maybe, Sonya was a hostess in restaurants, Ramona hillbilly drunks, maybe, no idea about Dorinda. I could be all wrong and don’t care enough to look it up.
Do came from a blue collar family.
The dining in a department store reference brought back sweet memories of when I was little and going to the Magnolia Room that was located at Rich’s Lenox Square in Atlanta. The coconut cake was beyond!!
Mom would take us shopping, we’d lunch in the department store, sometimes there’d be a fashion show too! Sweet memories is so right.
I remember going to the Bird Cage in Lord & Taylors in NYC and Scarsdale with my mother and grandmother. They had fabulous tea sandwiches and the decor was something out of a movie set, very feminine and flowery. It was where you went for lunch when you shopped, very ladylike!
I remember going shopping and then for lunch with my mom and grandmother, and the restaurant we went to had amazing popovers. It was Dayton’s in Minneapolis, now sadly gone. We always did lunch.
In the NY area and suburbs, department store restaurants are a thing. They are lovely; soft colors, old ladies in hats, and delicious fresh food that is not too expensive. I had lunch with a friend in Bloomingdales a few months ago, it was great, wonderful food. Could not afford to shop there, however.
Spot on Ingrid. My mother was a Manhattanite and we always lunched at the store while shopping. Mom was also a museum restaurant aficionado for all the reasons you listed. Sweet memories indeed. I always loved it when they had a dessert cart and you could choose from it all.
I can only image lol! My memories are of the L.S. Ayres in Ft. Wayne, IN, not Manhattan by any stretch but still very ladylike and I’m glad I was reminded of those special times.
I am so over this Luann/ Dorinda feud. I kinda felt sorry for Dorinda when she was crying and talking about what a great friend she was to Lu. She had some good points. Both of them need to just say sorry once and for all and mean it. Tinsleys Mom did seem cruel but Tins did not seem all that bothered. It’s as if she is used to this treatment. I like Bethany so much more now that Carol is gone. I hated their mean girls act before their friendship imploded. Can’t stand Ramona, wish she was off the show.
Dorinda can’t accept how she was wrong. She decided to become the victim with all that crying.
Lu thinks her s— does not stink. Her prancing around doing her show has blown her head up larger than her butt. I guarantee you she will be performing in joints next year. She is NOT all of that. She cannot sing and Money can’t Buy You Class song is a joke but it would not hurt her to listen to the words good and let them apply to HERself. Oh well she is broke right? It is time to bump all of these women and get a new cast. They are all getting on my nerves. Did not watch the episode but am reading TT’s which I absolutely love.
I found it discusting that Lu blamed her relapse on her children. Her ex husband filed the claim that she did not put half of the sale of the marital Hamptons home in trust for the children. Instead of putting his half in trust, she spent it. So how is this her children’s fault? No Lu, you didn’t relapse because of your children, you relapsed because you are a narsisistic alcoholic !
How does Lu have the money for 3 properties?
Easy, she got the original Hamptons family home free and clear in the divorce, she sold it between $8-$10 million.
She also is one of the better paid housewives and does well with her cabaret.
I don’t think I can watch anymore.
I LOVE Lu but she isn’t giving off the best attitude or look this time around. I swear she is at her best when she is a “freind of”
Isn’t there a department store known for to go for their tea and those tiny cucumber sandwiches. I think real upscale.
I saw it on a will & Grace episode.
The thing with Lu and Dorinda is that they both have unresolved drinking problems. Yes Lu has got help but that’s only been to resolve another issue. The first time was because she was arrested and publicly humiliated, the second time was because she was involved in a lawsuit with her children. I bet deep down she’s still in the denial stage of her journey. And Dorinda, let’s face it, it’s super obvious that she is in denial. They’re the same person and both know it, that’s why they love hard and can turn on each other quickly. Obviously I only watch them on an edited show and follow them on social media so may not be able to see the real Sides of them but this is my opinion.
when dorinda was comforting Bethenny re Dennis’ death, she said there will never be loves like Dennis and her husband Richard who passed away. I believe this is the core of Dorinda’s problems – she will never find what she had w/Richard. Remember how she compared Dennis to Richard last season? she is still mourning him and Dorinda knows her drinking is out of control but most likely does not want to face up to rehab and giving up alcohol/drugs. luanne soo entitled and selfish. drinking the soup that’s supposed to go to those in need, making jokes re her community serivice – it’s all a big joke to her and most other people would be locked up. her attitude toward the women (who she can deal with and who she can’t face – ridiculous!!!) blaming her relapse on the ex husband and kids when she should have set up a trust for them. she’s 100 percent luanne – so self centered and its all about her. now she has three homes!!! wonder how long that will last!! she needs to eat some humble pie!!!
felt badly for tinsley dealing w/her mother’s jabs – the ex husbands wife’s shoe line, new baby, etc.
Does adidas have some sort of deal with bravo and the housewives? I’ve seen Addidas clothing of a lot of the ladies in a few of the cities this season, in prominent scenes over the last year.
I actually felt sorry for Ramona on that date, and that never happens. It was not a good advert for the dating company, clearly he wasn’t vetted or whatever it is that these companies charge a service for lol!
I’m finding LuAnn difficult to watch. She is so full of herself and bitter. Equally hard to watch are all the women circling around her feigning support without encouraging her to be accountable. No one caused her relapse, least of all her kids, she caused her relapse. Luann looking at Dorinda’s pink hair and commenting about her pink lipstick was so judgmental.
Dorinda doesn’t take responsibility for anything. It feels like all of the women are over Dorinda. Barbara needs to take a seat.
Sonya’s kiss was just another attempt to get attention. I’m not a fan of PDA’s and found the scene to be in poor taste.
Bethenny’s great — Romona’s comment about the halloween decoration looking like Bethenny crying was hilarious! I think Bethenny will even find it funny.
I still like all of them but … I didn’t love this episode and I hope Luann gets off her high horse soon.
So that was beyond weird with the realtor calling Dorinda zoftig which is a synonym for plump
I’m just not feeling this season.
I’m a big LuAnne fan, Dorinda is in a bad place, Ramona with her comments is horrific, and Sonja is just sad to me.
I do like Barbara.
I pretty much agree with you. It’s a real downer and nothing really happening. I like Barbara a lot.
The dept store restaurants in NYC are popular with everyone. “Famous” people often eat at Barney’s restaurant, Fred’s. I’ve seen Bruce Springsteen and his wife there.
Didn’t someone post last year that Dorinda doesn’t really live in the apartment where she films? Because her real apartment building won’t give permission to film?
Oh! That makes sense!
In case anyone’s wondering Dorinda’s reaction to Barbara is what having a bad, bad temper looks like. Dorinda can’t handle anyone saying anything to her. It’s easy to point fingers, but she needs to get a grip. I am not sure what’s going on. I think Dorinda is playing games. She possibly has a drinking problem and other problems. She might be depressed. Her apartment was shabby chic without the chic. My GOD that was shocking – it looked terrible! $8000 a month in Manhattan doesn’t seem very high. I really like Dorinda and I like that she is strong but you have to be cool and let people say things to you — she can’t. She’s a, I’m gonna flip out and insult you, type hot head person. No bueno.
Luann is Luann, she’s consistent.
I think Tinsley and her mom are so cute but it’s like Tinsely has no personality, she hasn’t evolved or something. Her mom was mean but be realistic — if Tinsely WANTS kids and marriage — this is NOT the way to go about it. If she doesn’t then fine.
How did Ramona extricate herself from that date from hell? Like (checking watch) oh excuse me and then just leave! That guy was AWFUL. I would’ve climbed out a window to escape.
Nothing much is happening this season.
I really like Barbara. Sonja looked amazing.