It seems like Bethenny Frankel and Jason Hoppy will always have some sort of ongoing court battle. Today they return to court to fight about Bryn’s custody. She is eight years old and they are still doing this. The vitriol between these two has barely simmered over these eight years only to boil over again and again. This is ridiculous. When will they get tired of this?
Bethenny Frankel Is Asking For Full Custody
Today, Bethenny Frankel is asking for sole custody of Brynn. Jason Hoppy wants the current joint custody agreement to stay in place.
Radar Online appears to be reporting from the courtroom. They report that Bethenny’s lawyer, Allan Mayefsky’s opening remarks included, “Why are we doing this? To protect the child. The father’s behavior before and after their marriage is extremely harmful to Bryn. His abusive behavior towards her not only damages her relationship with her mother, but to everyone else in her life.”
So she is claiming that Jason Hoppy is abusive to Bryn. Bethenny Frankel also either has has a restraining order in place or is requesting one against Jason Hoppy. It’s hard to decipher from this statement by her lawyer.
Bethenny’s Lawyer Alleges Abuse In Opening Statement
Her lawyer continues, ““We need to protect the mother. His anger at her for pursuing this divorce is evident. Frankel requested a criminal restraining order. It continues to this day up until these proceedings.”
Mayefsky dragged out a laundry list of Jason Hoppy’s previous trangression that have all been addressed and dealt with before the current joint custody agreement was reached. This is old news.
Then he vilified Jason for signing up for all of Brynn’s school field trips. “Mr. Hoppy will continue to be controlled by his emotions. His need to sign up for every field trip, and hover her when she is in contact with her mother shows he is out for competitive parenting, not in the best interest of Bryn.” Or, you know, it shows he is an involved father and Bethenny can’t co-parent and just get along with Jason on a fucking field trip.
Then, Jason’s attorney Robert Wallack, made his opening statement:
“On June 4, 2014, the parties entered a custody agreement where they agreed to share joint custody. He admitted his client was “wrong” for his past actions. Simply put he acted in appropriately at times.But there were also times they were arguing over Bryn’s religious beliefs, or phone calls over Bryn. She takes that correspondence and goes to police with the packet of emails and has Jason arrested.
But For the last year, the parties have continued to communicate and it’s worked greatly. Let’s talk about Bryn who turns nine in two months. Bryn is doing great.While Bethenny wants to make it about their relationship and their issues, she is not mentioning that agreement is good for Bryn. Bryn is happy. She enjoys both her mom and her dad. As the saying goes, ‘If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it ”
Why Is Bethenny’s Lawyer Re-litigating Old Issues?
Then Bethenny’s lawyer called Jason to the stand and began asking him about all of the things that occurred before the 2014 agreement was reached. I think the judge should force the testimony to focus on things that have occurred since the joint custoday agreement was set in place? What is new since then?
The thing that started all of his was Jason Hoppy’s disgusting behavior after Dennis Shields died from a drug overdose. Let’s talk about the things Jason Hoppy did then!
Less than a week after Dennis’s death, Bethenny was in court with Jason. “It was reported that he died of an Oxycodone overdose. Our concern is while his death is very sad this raises serious concerns about Ms. Frankel’s parental judgment,” said Robert Wallack, attorney for Jason Hoppy.
Jason’s attorney has suggested that it was dangerous for Dennis to be around Byrn and to be allowed to babysit her unsupervised. He is also suggesting that Bethenny may have a drug problem of her own. He’s asking for drug testing. They also pointed out Bethenny was drunk and naked on this episode of RHONY. They said she “passed out” after mixing Ambien and alcohol. I don’t think we saw her pass out. She was just having fun!
That was some abusive behavior. That is what Bethenny’s attorney needs to be focusing on. The two are in court as this post goes to print. Tamara Tattles will be updating throughout the day.
UPDATE!
Basically the rest of the day was spent with both sides producing disparaging things they had said about each other via texts. Some of the things Jason said were very old, but not all of them. He also texted things to Bryn like, “Daddy called you last night but mommy wouldn’t let me talk to you.” And “Isn’t it great to have a daddy who loves you?”
But the most egregious things had to do with Dennis Shield. Bethenny let Bryn go in the car alone with Dennis all the way to The Hamptons. That seems unacceptable. Also, Dennis would show up at the playground with Bethenny . Not sure if that was an exchange spot, or they just showed up. Also, Jason says that he allows Bethenny to call Bryn when he is with her, but she doesn’t allow him to call her when she is with Bethenny.
They are back in court tomorrow.
I have yet to see how either is a bad parent to Bryn. They are both lousy to each other though. Bethenny has used her celebrity to crucify Jason publicly. Jason did use Dennis’ death as a custody grab- Bethenny would have done the same.
My understanding was that he and his father shit in every toilet and didn’t flush, leaving it there. Perhaps multiple shits.
It shows a level and pattern of vindictiveness, IMHO, and that may be why the attorney is discussing it now. A one time thing? OK, get over it B. But every toilet and then other new microaggressions that a judge thought enough to warrant a restraining order?
Also, signing up for every field trip when there is a restraining order so he KNOWS B can’t join them is another one of the games he likes to play apparently.
Erica, Upon reading about the fields trips, I wondered why that would be a big deal. Your explanation nails it. Thank you! What a total asshole thing to do.
Does anyone else agree that Bethenny could be fighting for sole custody to avoid having to pay Jason child support?
I would think, with the current shared 50/50 custody, that she has to pay him support, but that that would be eliminated if she succeeds in this trial.
I can’t help but to think Back to Bethenny Ever After when Jason’s parents would frequently appear…they seem to be such genuine, truly good, kind people and I find it hard to believe that having them removed from Bryn’s life would be positive for her.
Bethenny, having watched her for all her years on television, seems to more and more embody the mother she has so frequently publicly disparaged. Bethenny complained about the number of men her mother had in and out of her young life. I’ve lost count of how many men she has been linked to/photographed with, beginning with that Cerruci guy, right? Bethenny complained that her mother was a drunk who was obsessed with being thin, so she would make her own diet alcohol drinks..funny as we know every great idea has a seed of the beginning (think Working Girl in the elevator scene when Melanie explains how she got the idea) but I digress. Bethenny complained that her mother’s anger would make everyone in the room uncomfortable. Remember when Jason parent’s came to Thanksgiving and the turkey wasn’t fully cooked and she freaked out and asked poor Jason’s father, “Are you crazy” when he suggested finishing the turkey in the micro. I could feel the awkward tension all the way from my apartment in Florida it was so awful! Bethenny accused her mother of moving around a lot in her early years, now we see her having a love for buying and selling real estate, and she has moved a few times herself…so I believe she’s a walking hypocrite and I pray Jason is not removed as a custodial parent.
This is my first post as a very longtime reader so I may I take a bow to Tamara, I love your site!
Thanks for coming out of the shadows, Christine!
Your post is on point!
I dislike bethenny for a multitude of reasons but trying to damage the relationship between Bryn and her father (our of spite nonetheless) is further testament of how fucked up she is. She is a total head case and I have a hard time watching her.
Him signing up for every field trip, texting her that mommy won’t let him speak to her etc is a clear effort to hurt B’s relationship with Bryn. He by no means has clean hands here. And that is not even referring to his horrific behavior before the custody agreement. He is a freak — anyone who locks an old dog in a basement storage unit to hurt B is not fit to be around children.
I don’t believe that at all. Bryn will grow up hating her just like Bethanny and her mom
Bethany’s attitude towards Jason’s parents was awful and I am certain that she benefits greatly from having them in her life. The thing I remember was when she and Jason went out with his normal friends from home, they were warm and welcoming. Bethany acted like they were going to devolve into the people from Deliverence. I had hoped she was just playing “ Big City asshole” Don’t think it was an act. My husband “ saw” that episode and said “ WTF?”. That was way back when I watched Bravo… he called it well now she needs to go see her psychiatrist and cry about needing friends and family. She just needs to watch herself and see the way she treats people.
Bethany’s treatment of Jason’s parents was shameful, her contempt for religion was awful. She also seemed dismissive of Jason’s brother tragic death except to bringing up her brother passing at a young age. I admit I didn’t know the back story and looked up Jason’s brother. Tragic accident and his parent’s seemed to be beloved and involved members of the community. Brynn needs Jason’s family IMO.
I thought the marriage was doomed after the trip to Jason’s hometown but I hoped she really did want a family life and would learn to appreciate “ real people “.
She is witty and has some good points but I would never want to hang out with her for long, there is a lot of bitterness and hate fueling her. Unless she wants Brynn’s BFF to be her shrink she needs to appreciate what Jason’s family brings to the table.
so well said and summarized.
These two need to get over themselves And think about Bryn.
It really drives her crazy to share custody. She is such an insufferable martyr she would rather everyone believe she raises her daughter alone too. this is all about power for B and i agree with TT that the judge should not allow any discussion of past events already resolved. Bringing up Dennis death was opportunistic but it would be hard not to fight petty with petty and I think it was reasonable to be concerned. “Angry people want you to see how powerful they are”. We get it B you have unresolved anger issues with your ex husband. it is more worth her while to spend money on therapy than lawyers.
Jason scares me. He seems like the kind of guy that will end up on the ID channel!
That is the vibe that I get from Jason as well. He seems dangerous.
Yep. I don’t understand his sympathizers but some people hate B so much I guess they can’t get past that to see how horrible he is.
what came first? his supposed ‘crazy’ or her abuse of him?
Her abuse! She used him for a show and a baby. I’d be pissed too
Bethany’s attitude towards Jason’s parents was awful and I am certain that she benefits greatly from having them in her life. The thing I remember was when she and Jason went out with his normal friends from home, they were warm and welcoming. Bethany acted like they were going to devolve into the people from Deliverence. I had hoped she was just playing “ Big City asshole” Don’t think it was an act. My husband “ saw” that episode and said “ WTF?”. That was way back when I watched Bravo… he called it well now she needs to go see her psychiatrist and cry about needing friends and family. She just needs to watch herself and see the way she treats people.
Bethany’s treatment of Jason’s parents was shameful, her contempt for religion was awful. She also seemed dismissive of Jason’s brother tragic death except to bringing up her brother passing at a young age. I admit I didn’t know the back story and looked up Jason’s brother. Tragic accident and his parent’s seemed to be beloved and involved members of the community. Brynn needs Jason’s family IMO.
I thought the marriage was doomed after the trip to Jason’s hometown but I hoped she really did want a family life and would learn to appreciate “ real people “.
She is witty and has some good points but I would never want to hang out with her for long, there is a lot of bitterness and hate fueling her. Unless she wants Brynn’s BFF to be her shrink she needs to appreciate what Jason’s family brings to the table.
That poor kid should be taken away from both of them until they can learn to co-parent. I’ll take her until that happens. They both can have supervised visitation until they get their shit together.
Bethany is a scorpio. That is why she is so vindictive. Scorpios are some of the kindest people but don’t cross them because they are like a dog with a bone unrelenting.
I’m a Scorpio and it’s true we are very vindictive. It’s taken me YEARS to let sh^t go and to really believe in karma. I’m not a saint and have relapsed a couple of times ? . I don’t honestly think I would have gone as far as her though.
Sorry, the “signing up for all field trips”, you have to read between the lines. That is a control thing and Jason is playing games.
The whole “signing up for all field trips” thing is a clue to Jason’s behavior. Maybe Bethany is doing that kind of thing also who knows
I think it is time for one of these court things where they have to post everything in a court database, i.e, child’s schedule and parents schedule so that the court can see what they are doing
Why can’t both parents go to as many field trips as they want to? Especially because they only have the kid half the time. Why can’t they be grown adults about a field trip?
I think they should divide up the field trips.
I think because she still has the restraining order or because they are so vindictive that they’ll make asses out of themselves in front of Bryn’s class….
He has a restraining order. He is not allowed to be around B. If he signs up first he effectively shuts her out of going. If she signed up first, he would be shut out, There is a serious difference between “playing nice” on a field trip and being around one’s abuser. She shouldn’t have to be around her abuser to spend time with her daughter. Read up on coercive control
My son’s school only allows one parent per child. The grade is just too large. Otherwise there would have to be an additional bus for parents. But I figure Bethenney and Jason can’t both go because they make the day all about their problems and not about the kids.
I think Bethenny doesn’t have time to go on the field trips & Jason does & she can’t stand it that he is going & she’s not. It’s a competitive thing. Perhaps he is being competitive by going every time, but if Bethenny doesn’t have time to go…WHY NOT? It would seem it’s in the best interests of the child to have a parent there. Also, I’m quite certain that if Jason was infringing on Bethenny’s opportunities, it would be taken care of by ONE quick phone call to the school.
Teacher here-
There is nothing wrong with signing up to attend field trips. In fact, it is encouraged and appreciated when guardians participate. Bethenny’s lawyer’s claim that Jason is acting overbearing by going on field trips is far-fetched to say the least. *BIG EYE ROLL*
Parent here-
Setting aside the custody battle for a hot minute, one parent signing up for EVERY SINGLE FIELD TRIP is annoying af. Children don’t want or need a parent up in their business that often. Also, rarely, are all parents allowed to go on field trips, only a limited number. One parent monopolizing a spot for every trip hurts the other parents and their kiddos. It IS overbearing and overprotective parental behavior. I guarantee you the other parents in the grade are doing the *BIG EYE ROLL*
At Brynn’s age? Maybe my kids were different but they absolutely wanted me on every field trip, parents lunch and volunteering in the library/ PTA. Middle school they might not have been so keen on field trips ( they actually liked that I went, just wanted me to stay a few feet behind them and the group ) but they wanted their parents at all their games/ etc.
I will say their friends with parents that could not make it ( for various reasons ) also liked having a familiar adult around.
As a teacher, we wanted every single parent we could get of a field trip, and a male would be GOLD. Someone to go in the men’s bathroom and make sure the boys were behaving.
Never in all my decades of teaching has there ever been a problem of too many parents on a field trip. Also, you can’t limit the number of parents if you wanted to.
Parents often drive their own cares to the location and are a HUGE help.
I think it depends on the school. My kid’s elementary school restricts how many parents can go – typically about 3 per class per field trip.
That’s insane and possibly illegal. The more eyes on the kids the better.
Sorry your comment is insulting, maybe it is your school district, parents are always encouraged to attend, you might have to carpool. It is usually the parents who volunteer for all the crap and organize. Try saying thanks for doing all the shitty jobs.
I love the parents who show up for a trip to the zoo or aquarium, nice to see them once or twice a year. Good you see you made it to the school concert that magically happens…
I have been a stay at home mom and a mother who worked.
There are the parents who get off on “ running things, this is more common in sports”.
There are parents who show up for the show ( too many bitch about what could have been better)
There are parents who roll there eyes at both, ask what the school and teachers need.
I could be wrong ( schools and districts vary ) but parents are always welcome, they may have to make their own arrangements BUT if you are active in school … very easy to connect and make arrangements. Participated in several states and all welcomed and encouraged parent participation.
Going on all of your child’s field trips isn’t overbearing, in my opinion. We differ there. *NO EYE ROLL*
The only ones that will benefit from all this is the lawyers.
At this point, if not already ordered, the judge over the case should appoint a guardian ad litem for Bryn. In my opinion, neither parents are considering the best interest of the child. Both are selfish, vindictive and pathetic.
Bethenny wanted sole custody from the onset of the divorce. Jason is supposed to just fade away and not have any say with the upbringing of his daughter? The last custody hearing Bethenny instigated and just so happened right after Dennis’ death. I’d question my daughter being around a drug addict too. Everyone fails to realizes that’s its Bethenny who pursues this! Obviously she has no real love for Brynn, otherwise she would leave her father alone instead of dragging him into court every year. With all the deadbeat dads in this world, Bethenny should count her blessings. She is one mega bitch and all the charity work won’t erase that.
Spunky2015, The hearing held just after Dennis death was initiated by Jason.
No it wasn’t. It was already on the docket (before Dennis passed) and brought forth by Bethenny’s attorneys. Jason brought Dennis into the mix for concern and leverage at that hearing. The judge at the time said the custody stays as is (50/50) and revisit a year from now, which is now.
You’re right, I was wrong. The court date after Dennis’s death was set back in December when Bethenny filed for a motion primary custody. That day the judge ruled there was sufficient evidence to proceed with a trial.
Today is not a “revisit”, it is the trial to change the custody agreement.
He wasn’t a drug addict – he accidentally took too much of his prescribed medication and tried to get the antidote as soon as he realized but it was too late.
He was abusing drugs, unless you take exactly as prescribed that is abuse. It doesn’t mean he was a immoral or bad person. At this point in time every doctor prescribing opiates should be aware of the danger and every patient should be hyper vigilant about taking only the prescribed amount.
My BFF is a Director of Forensic Pathology at a MedU. The opioid epidemic is scary as hell. High functions successful people, average joe who gets hurt, kids who are experimenting. Those with less income often turn to heroin. It is a different world. I hope the court cases against the pharmaceutical companies are successful.
I lost my cousin to overdose, accidental but she abused it. Pain not quite gone, so you take a little extra… it gives you energy you feel great … so you take just a little more ( break it in half next time you are experiencing pain) and then that doesn’t work so just a little more.
My Almost 80 year old father has several herniated discs and stenosis… refuses pain meds because he has seen really stand up people get hooked. Older very smart successful people who never in a million years would do drugs. There are court cases all over, big issue for physicians.
Different World as far as drugs go, every the person to look at opportunity, my father is buying stock in a marijuana “ mutual fund”… and I think I have finally convinced him to try medical marijuana. ?
Spunky, I agree Bethenny is a mega bitch and she is not squeaky clean, when it comes to the custody issues or how she treat people. Jason is probably no walk in the park either. But, the NY Family Court system is failing this child royally by allowing these two bitter to the core parents go at it like to psychotic robots over and over again. I believe in 50/50 custody only if both parents are sane in the ways they love and raise the child. To deal with one bitter parent is turmoil, but two is like a swirling Tsunami. I pray their daughter will not be affected by their need to be vindictive. By the time she is 13 yrs old, they both will be target on her shit list and they will deserve it.
Bethenny is not on opioids!!!! Dennis was a chronic pain patient who mixed his meds and it was her hesitation in marrying him. Jason dragging her into court was horrifble. This is a continuation and counter suit for full custody that’s been going on. The idiot wouldn’t move out of the apartment for years I’m NOT claiming Bethenny is a saint, but he has an order against him for a reason. He lives off of Bethenny and that’s gross. Get a job and quit obsessing. It isn’t a normal healthy relationship.
If it’s enough to keep Bethenny from marrying him, it’s a valid concern for Jason I would think.
He’s dead. Jason is still a few screws loose.
I may be in the minority, but I am firmly in Bethenny’s corner on this. Jason is sick, and there’s no way his hatred of Bethenny hasn’t spilled over into his parenting on Brynn. Jason is an abuser hell bent on continuing his abuse of his now ex wife.
This really gets me. Bethenny agreed to the parenting plan and tried to execute it only to be stalked, harrassed, and dragged into court after her boyfriend passed. She endured that, yet when she goes through the court to change the order one time, she’s vilified. She’s spent years, 5 years, trying to make it work while he used different tactics to get her out of the picture. She goes through the courts once, and she’s the bad guy?
She initiates this yearly. Bethenny has wanted sole custody from the very beginning. How dare a man fight for his daughter and want to be part of her life.
Hi Bethenny
Hi Bethenny. Is court adjourned for the day?
I too am in her corner. She is a very strong personality & very devisive. I do think she has serious psychological issues but I applaud anyone who gets counseling to deal with their issues. I liked Jason at first but he wasn’t prepared to be married to Bethenny. I wonder if he is in counseling or getting help to address some of his behaviors that he described as inappropriate. Using the bathroom & forgetting to flush or going on field trips sounds like she’s making a big deal of nothing, but purposely leaving unflushef toilets when you move out & are turning over to your ex-wife is a petty vindictive move. Signing up for all field trips knowing you’re essentially denying her the opportunity is petty & vindictive. Restraining orders are not issued without evidence of past violence or the potential for it. Speaking from experience, seemingly ‘nice’ guys from ‘great families’ can be the most dangerous. They can use that nice guy persona to get people in there corner. He is setiously scary. I believe I remember hearing anout video where he jerked Bryn from Bethenny – but I admit I’ve only heard about it.
I get the Hi Bethenny crap all the time myself. It happens when people disagree with your opinion, or in your case when you only tell one side of the story.
I really like Bethenny. However, she tends to make sure everyone knows what Jason does and never says a word about what she does. She has not been a saint in the this process either.
Both of them have done some horrible things that are detrimental to Bryn. Bot h of them need to release all the anger.It has been YEARS of Bryn knowing that her parents are fighting over her. “Mommy won’t let me call you!” “You Daddy shouldn’t be at the field trips!” etc.
Neither one of them is winning parent of the year anytime soon.
BRYN needs both parents and for them to get over their anger and resentments and parent TOGETHER. By the time this kid hits middle school she is going to be incorrigible and play them both against each other. This is not going to teach Bryn become a great mother one day. She is not going to grow up knowing how a young man should treat a young woman.
This is really, really harmful to her. It’s not about Bethenny and Jason.
And y;alll need to stop saying Jason is an abuser. He’s an asshole to Bethenny. If you don’t know the different count your blessings.
I’m clear on the difference between assholery & coercive control. Emailing your ex and their new S.O. hundreds of times within a few days is abuse.. It is not that easy to get a R.O…. evidence is requieed for that to happen. I’m sure B badmouths Jason to their daughter and that is not ok. But what has she done to him that is legally actionable?
Accurate.
Thank you for saving us all from a puppy induced insomnia typo laden post, Tamara. I’m co-signing I’m this one 100%.
Very well said. t’s all really sad, when thinking about the possible negative affect Bryn will have in the years to come.
Jason is not a physical abuser but he definitely abuses psychologically, without a doubt.
It’s obvious that she has no tolerance for anyone else’s approach and I think she figures that with all of her money, she will be able to end his Custody and her likely paying child support. She wants to control exactly the food that the daughter eats, the religion, all of that. He definitely went off the deep end when she left him and likely didn’t give him enough money but the child belongs with both parents. And if Jason had Bryn often spending time with a girlfriend who OD’d, B would’ve had his ass in court the next day. Poor Luke Perry. That’s young
Do we know anything about Jason’s parenting? B seems to be an awesome parent and it is in the best I interest if the CHILD to have both her parents in her life.
Will Dorinda and Carole be witnesses for Jason?
Dorinda: She’s very ungrateful, your honor! She didn’t thank me for the nutcracker!
It’s been like the War of the Roses with these two. So if Bethenny gets sole custody does that mean Bryn won’t see her dad at all or will it be a weekend thing?
If one parent has full custody then often the other parent will get something like, every Tuesday and ever other weekend.
FYI full custody doesn’t necessarily mean no visitation or lots of time with Dad. I worked for a judge’s office (for the state)
We didn’t deal with the custody issues (we did determine child support or child support adjustments), but we did sometimes have access to custody agreements.
Full custody can mean that you are the parent that makes the medical, schooling, and religious decisions, among other things.
If Jason is using field trips to manipulate B (because of that restraining order) and objecting to Bryn participating in her mother’s interest in the Jewish faith (when Bethenny, and therefore, Brynn, have a Jewish heritage) – then that could be a valid reason for the judge to consider giving Bethenny full custody. Also, the fact that his past behaviors warranted a restraining order which makes it extremely difficult to co-parent, that would be another reason to consider it.
Right. It’s done it percentages. I had “full” physical custody in my case but the dad got frequent visitations—2 weekends a month, every Wednesday afternoon/evening, his birthday, Father’s Day, 2 weeks in the summer, every other year for major holidays. Our physical custody was an 80/20 split I believe, but we split LEGAL custody, so we had equal say in medical/schooling/etc decisions. There can be many layers to these agreements so the term “full” custody is misleading. That said, it is not possible to co-parent with a person (man) who wants to exercise coercive control over you. He signed up for every field trip instead of emailing B and agreeing on which trips each would take? It’s unacceptable, entitled behavior.
I’ve seen cases where it was almost the opposite – physically, the children were with the noncustodial parent about half the time over the course of the year (esp. if they were teens with some choice in the matter) but b/c the noncustodial parent couldn’t get their shit together, the “custodial” parent had the decision making.
this was cases like there being a history of alcoholism, mental health issues, one noncustodial parent was frequently overseas b/c he was military (and sometimes couldn’t be reached when decisions needed to be made), and yes, shit like what Jason is pulling – and I’m just talking what has been proven in court enough to get a restraining order granted. That is NOT fucking easy to do in most jurisdictions.
I believe Bethenny wants sole custody so she can make LA her primary home. My take away is jason’s child support pretty much goes to attorneys’ fees. Enrichment via child support is not working for him.
Bethenny seems to embrace Christianity-I believe her initial objection was the child was attending Mass and Bethenny did not want her exposed to any religion. There really isn’t a reason the child could not experience both religions.
As to the field trip issue-perhaps they could split them down the middle. I think Jason probably wants to take every opportunity to be a part of his child’s life. The guy comes off as a bit of a helicopter parent. Perhaps a hobby. The parents hate each other and awarding one more power than the other won’t resolve the issue just exacerbate their issues.
I am at a loss why anything that occurred prior to their agreement is relevant now. Even the comment about being 43 and sad, was at least five years ago.
I hope the court in its wisdom makes the best choice for the child. If it remains static, I predict it won’t be long before Bethenny is back in court. Winning for her may come with a steep price if Bryn loses frequency with her father. Bethenny seemed to blame her mother for her father’s distance in their relationship. Bethe’s choices may have a rebounding effect in the years to come.
One thing I don’t buy is that these parents are perfect parents and don’t disparage the other parent in front of the child.
I agree with you 100.
i’m a stenographer and do family law cases ALL THE TIME .. and fortunately – or unfortunately – i do quite a bit of work for one of the nation’s leading entertainment law attorneys so i get to write (type) down the dirty juicy big money cases .. and i’m just gonna say this:
it is NEVER what it seems, even if a public trial, or public Discovery .. things i read about in the blogs, papers, etc. never quite match up to what the facts really are and lastly, before i was a stenographer had someone told me ‘he/she abused the child,’ i would have believed it but NOW? nah. you better prove it.
family law is a different breed of law .. it’s ruthless, cut-throat and each side is out for BLOOD and to WIN at any cost .. and unfortunately, when there are kids involved, it’s the kids that are the tug rope.
not sure what the facts are in this case but i would bet money both sides are tossing out embellished accusations.
that’s all.
No normal parent is on every single school trip. I have customers who knowingly take turns with other parents being chaperones. Her lawyer is correct to suspect “competitive parenting”.
I’m always disappointed in the parenting of these two. You have to love your child more than you hate your ex. It’s as simple as that. Bryn is going to grow up and one day see this. She will have daddy/mommy issues and will be an absolute wreck, holding onto bitterness for the way she was raised. Really a shame.
Sorry Jason’s lawyer… a “packet of emails” does NOT get someone arrested or a restraining order granted. He emailed B and her boyfriend horrible emails literally nonstop. It was harassment. She’s a piece of work herself but there is no restraining order against Bethenney & so there you go. They should split the field trips. Why is he signing up for every one? It’s so aggressive & IMO he shouldn’t even be allowed to go considering the restraining order in place. He was abusive to B outside of the school many times with plenty of witnesses. I watched their show. He coercively controls to a scary extent. He refuses to let her live.
Bethenny has slit if flaws – no one is perfect BUT Jason seems like a very petty, vindictive wuss!! Bad bad role model for his daughter!!
I thought the restraining order ended a while back? Wasn’t that why she had one of her meltdowns last season?
In reading this, I can’t help but notice ALL of the behavior she is complaining about stems from HER relationship with Jason. It has nothing to do with the child. She is just so angry that she can’t see past it. He does not help but really, after it has all been said and done, I don’t think the Judge is going to change the custody order.
IIRL’s we all know people who is navigating a split family. I feel so bad when I see friends and family do what Bethenny and Jason are doing. I think it is all fear based. They’re afraid the child(ren) will like the other parent better. They’re afraid their friends and family will think they’re not a good parent. They’re especially afraid of losing control of how the child is raised. It is sad to see.
If only these people could take a moment outside of themselves and see it more clearly. When they’re “in it” can’t think logically.
It’s different when they’re afraid to share their precious child with someone they believe is toxic or dysfunctional.
The only thing I fault Mr Hoppy for is not seeking guidance with a qualified therapist that specializes is Narcissistic Personality Disorder. His ex B has it at one of the highest levels I have ever seen. He still seems to exhibit signs he is falling for her traps. You can not let them see you sweat. They try to unhinge you at every turn.
His behavior screams PTSD from having to deal with a narcissistic spouse ex.
For those unaware of this problem I can see how you would think he is crazy.
But she is the cause. I see nothing wrong with him going on field trips. So she can because why she is the mother? He is supposed to not do it because it stresses B out. She needs to grow up and act like an adult. but narcissists cannot.
He needs to stop reacting to he traps. He has had plenty of time to gain the knowledge he needs to navigate co parenting with a narcissist.It will never be fair.
I am from Jason’s hometown. I know his parents. They are the sweetest, kindest, most wonderful people. Jason comes from a warm loving family–Bethenny never knew how to deal with that. She did not grow up that way-as she has said millions of times. They also lost a son at age 20ish. Jason and Bryn are their only family. Can you imagine your ex daughter-in-law trying to keep your only granddaughter from you???
I pray that Bethenny comes to her senses and allows Jason and Bryn to continue their apparently very loving relationship and appreciates her child’s loving grandparents.
Having said that–I also hope that Jason does not continue some of his past behavior toward Bethenny. None of this is good for Bryn.
I have 3 grown children. They did not want me to sign up for EVERY field trip!! No way. I was a very involved parent, we coached 2 of them in league ball which was a great way to get to know the kids etc. But every field trip? That’s intrusive. Once in a while maybe. They should have kept the apartment and had Brywn (sp?) stay there all the time and THEY can go back and forth! That way she has a stable home. I never did like Jason, just a gut feeling. I do feel for his parents, they seemed so sweet if over involved. He seems to be using the child as a pawn, not her IMO. I am intimately knowledgeable about Parent Alienation, as my ex tried and succeeded to some degree when we divorced when the youngest was 14. It’s taken me years, but we are ALL on good terms now, 10 years later. I bowed out of the family home, if I had sued for half of everything we would have had to sell it and I didn’t think that was fair to do to my children so I took a hit of approximately 250k. It was worth it for my kids. I think Bethanney seems like a great parent, him not so much.
Well the sad thing is that this is all playing out in the media where Bryn will be able to see it someday with a quick google search.
The irony is that this plays out the exact week the NY ladies are doing publicity. How does that happen?
Also, by the time this is over, Bryn will have children of her own. Ask the kid what she wants to do and move it along.
These two cannot communicate with each other without it being contentious. Does New York family court have that system where all issues regarding the child has to be entered into a database so that the court can see, such as visitation with each parent, school issues and therapy and is suppose to be a place where each parent can go for child’s schedule and who does what for child and not have to talk to the other?
Bethany is no walk in the park, but she lays it out there, says what is on her mind, good or bad. It can be annoying at times, but you know where she stands.
Jason I believe hides under the radar. Many abusive men are one way in public and another behind the walls.
Bethany did not have an issue with Jason parents visits. The issue was the timing and frequency of the visits. I saw Bethany’s point that they needed to create a family schedule and routine. I think Jason was trying to make it an every weekend or every other weekend thing and Bethany needed to be on board or else. Grandparents (inlaws) can be suffocating and meddlesome if you do not put your foot down. Since Bethany did not have a mother (family) to counteract the contact with Jason and his family she probably felt ganged up on. Three of them against her. They may have been lovely people, but does not mean they were not overstepping or that Bethany should want to visit them or have them visit all the time.
My parents would call all the time and ask my kids to go with them at the last minute and not understand, that they had a schedule and they could not drop their activities at the last minute to accommodate them.
I’ve always like Bethenny, but let’s all face that her worst trait is that she can’t seem to let go of bitterness. This is the last thing she should be modeling for her child’s happiness or future, yet here we are. And the child should never have to hear one parent criticize the other. But what do you do as the dad when the mom won’t let the child know they’ve tried to contact them repeatedly except say what happened? Should the child be left thinking the dad didn’t even care enough to try to reach out? Bethenney made that situation when she didn’t pass on the communication.
I like (*not love) Bethanny. But, I’ve always felt she’s been v. wretched towards Jason.
It’s almost like she was looking for a tall, good looking, sperm donor & went on the war path when she realized he was more than a tube of DNA.