The Rumors
Is the fun bus really leaving Real Housewives of Orange County? On Jeff Lewis’s radio show last Friday, he opened the show claiming that Vicki Gunvalson had been demoted for season 14 of the Real Housewives of Orange County. He apparently received this news from his friend Shannon Beador. He called Kelly Dodd to confirm the news. She did not confirm or deny the story but that was what the streets were saying. She is also sidling up to Braunwyn Windham Burke, one of two women who were filmed test shooting prior to the season.
Jeff Lewis made a point to publicly fat shame Vicki Gunvalson using all sorts of derogatory names when speaking publicly about her. This stems from his close relationship with Shannon Beador. Whenever Vicki and Shannon were on bad terms, Jeff would make vicious attacks on Vicki’s looks. When Jeff announced that he and his partner, Gage Edward had split, Vicki posted on social media, “That is what he gets for being so awful to people, including me.” Both Jeff and Kelly Dodd have vendettas against Vicki so it is hard to take them seriously. Kelly threatened to quit if Vicki was not fired. I reached out to Tamara Tattles exclusive west coast sources. Let’s sip that tea.
The Talent Agreement
Vicki Gunvalson’s contract came up for renewal at the end of season 13. In January, Vicki had a conversation with Evolution Media about her story trajectory on the show going forward. Production often does this with the talent prior to pitching the new season to Bravo.
When contracts came out for season 14, Vicki did not hear anything. As the filming season drew closer, Vicki became concerned that she has missed some correspondence from Evolution Media. Vicki asked her attorney to check in regarding her contract renewal.
The Justification
The Final Offer
The Aftermath
Vicki Gunvalson posted on social media that she was “still in negotiations.” But negotiations are long over as far as Evolution Media is concerned. Primary filming begins at the end of this week.
Evolution Media’s offer is their offer. She can either take it and show up for work or leave it. Vicki Gunvalson took Steve Lodge and left for the Bahamas. She will either return to the OC at a very reduced rate, or not. Evolution has made it’s best and final offer as they say on Million Dollar Listing.
The Deadline
Clarification
Braunwyn Windham Burke (Bella) is not the only younger newbie testing for a spot on the show. There is one other that production spoke with over the weekend. They could likely move forward with five oranges and one or two new friends. Some of you seem to think she is a done deal as a full-time housewife. It’s way to early know who things will end up.
Bravo’s Role
I find this treatment of Vicki Gunvalson even more abhorrent than the way they treated Kenya Moore. She is the last original member of the original franchise that spawned this massive money making venture. Despite her often very shady, morally corrupt and at times bordering on the illegal behavior on the show, that is the sort of behavior that Bravo continuously rewards. Vicki made that decision. But, I would think that once they were done with her they could show a modicum of decency while pointing her toward the exit.
The callous way that production and Bravo dismiss housewives is just another cog in the misogynistic wheel that is Bravo. Yet it is one of the most popular channels for women. And one of the favorite pastimes of female viewers is bashing the women on the show.
I get where you’re coming from regarding Vicki, but I just can’t feel all that sorry for her. I remember Vicki stabbing so many castmates in the back during her time on RHOC, including both Shannon and Kelly. And of course, Vicki at least was partially responsible for one of the most disgusting and abhorrent incidents in all of Bravo history: Brooks-cancer-gate. To this day, Vicki continues to deny and deflect whenever anyone tries to hold her accountable for aiding and abetting in Brooks’ cancer scam.
As I like to remind myself, actions have consequences. Vicki did the dirty deeds, many of us viewers have been complaining for the last four years why Vicki seemed to get away with it, and now Evolution and Bravo are finally listening to the viewers.
On a lighter note, thanks so much, TT, for clearing the air on this. I saw some of the online rumors about Vicki’s impending RHOC demotion during the weekend, so I was hoping you’d do exactly this to give us the real tea on Vicki G.
This.
I actually found her decision to front a fake cancer charity in order to sell insurance to be the lowest point she sunk to. I mean that is just next level.
Yes! It’s about time she got the boot! I won’t miss her AT ALL!!!
AMEN
I cannot stand Vicki! I barely watched after the cancer scam and did not watch last season. I can remember her squawking about Slate (Gretchen’s BF) not paying child support, but when it was brought up that Brooks was a deadbeat dad, no one was supposed to “talk about her man.” She stayed on Tamra nonstop when she was married to Simon. Tamra was supposed to choose Vicki’s side over Simon’s every time Vicki stuck her nose in Tamra & Simon’s marriage. The cancer scam was beyond vile. Vicki has been horrible to 90% of the new housewives. She talked about Lizzie terribly. Shannon tried to be a friend to Vicki and originally defended Vicki when others began to suspect Brooks’ cancer was a lie. She’s a despicable woman!
totally agree with atdleft’s post.
Reading your post and its responses reminded me not only of how dishonest she was but that she did so with a smug, holier than thou attitude and still had the audacity to call others immoral for far lesser sins. She is like Jesus on the cross y’all.
Completely agree, while also acknowledging TT’s commentary on Bravo’s misogyny.
Another thing to add to Vicki’s high crimes and misdemeanors: “revealing” that David beat Shannon (there has never been proof, right?), insisting she did it because she’s worried about Shannon, gaslighting Shannon. How is that having a friend’s back?!
All of that sort of thing ususally gets dug up as soon as people even think they might be on the show. So yes, it was confirmed. He pled guilty. Yet Shannon still likes to deny it happened because she doesn’t want her daughters to know. But she told Vicki all about it very on in the SMEAR DAVID WITH EVERYTHING YOU HAVE CAMPAIGN OF 2017?
Details here. https://tamaratattles.com/2015/10/07/david-beador-allegedly-arrested-for-assault-battery-on-a-cohabitant-shannon/
Your point remains valid though, a good friend doesn’t air private dirty laundry on national TV.
I think I’m in the minority but I’m a Vicki fan. I hope she’s back.
I agree.
Her family dynamics are great. So, SO many Vicki moments: Family van, surprising Michael in college, football to the head, tripping when getting an award, Brianna got married, her mother’s death, whooping it up, Andale’s, her hatred for Slade, Vicki vs. Simon, etc.
In the mid seasons she spoke out about the lack of common sense on the women’s finances: Simon quitting car sales and opening a tequila business, Lynn’s disaster.
Family van.
One of my favorites.
I agree too, I don’t “love” her but I do appreciate what she has done for RHOC. She has always been over the top and has been an example to women on other franchises on how to bring the drama and the fun. It really sucks that she is being treated this way…Shannon, Kelly…y’all are next!!
Same here! I was sad to read this. If anything she deserves to leave with her dignity and a proper closing story-line.
I’m a Vicki fan too. Never liked Shannon – she’s such a whiner.
Disgusting the way they’re treating Vicki! I know she’s not perfect but is there not any sense of loyalty? And gratitude at all for the years that she’s put in? And where is Tamara in all of this? Andy? I know Andy doesn’t make these decisions but surely both he and Tamra can step up and intervene for her. To allow you’re longest serving employee/coworker to be treated like this says a lot about you
During the 100th episode special (Season 8), Gretchen Rossi talked about how Vicki and Tamra conspired to take down castmates, then griped behind each other’s back about how they hated each other and how the other loved to fight dirty. Looking back, I believe Gretchen was telling the truth about them.
Tamra’s generally been much smarter in playing the game, as she’s never been caught in anything as vile as a cancer scam. But considering all the nasty shit she has been caught doing (try re-watching RHOC Season 9 for a refresher course!), Tamra probably shouldn’t get too giddy about Vicki possibly getting the boot this year.
I’d rather watch a season with 2 Vickis than a single second of that horrid creature that is Tamra.
? me too!! I probably won’t watch without Vicki tbh . Although I am losing interest in the housewives franchise altogether.
Me three. At least Vicki is intelligent (intelligent women can make stupid choices in men) and funny. Tamra is neither and has NO redeeming qualities. None.
Ugh I can’t take anoseason of tamra showing off her fake boobs. She’s thirsty and uninteresting
You are right! I would rather lose Tamra than Vicki!
I find this statement in negotiations interesting, “the feedback from the viewers on social media was not positive. ” if that is the case for determining to bringing back housewives then Dorit should have gotten the boot!
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Agree
Whilst I don’t agree with the way she is being treated (13 years is a life sentence), I’m struggling to find any sympathy. It almost as if you reap what you sow?
Exactly. She was great in the beginning when she was still married to Don, etc. She lost me after the Brooks stuff and just her I’M AN OG attitude. Not to mention how terrible she is to her “friends” on the show who eventually dump her for a new HW or former enemy.
BUT I do agree with TT about how Bravo rewards some for bad/felonious behavior until they don’t. I mean look at NJ!
Yes, I feel exactly the same way. She did push other cast members about, especially in recent years and it became repetitive. I also liked her in the Don years. I think he was good for her and she didn’t much bother about thinking through her impact on others after that – except for Brianna and the littlies. I really like level-headed Brianna.
Remember when she called it “her show,” told someone to “”get off of her show.”
This!
Buh bye. I won’t miss her. Never forgave the cancer scam.
Vicki has been instrumental in creating the Housewives phenomenon. She is more than the OC; she’s been the goat. And Endeavor has profited handsomely, only to cast her aside like a first wife. She is “a doozy” as my grandma would say, but we’ve all been right here for it. I’m making her a farewell casserole as I type…
Oh my gooodness how I laughed at “farewell casserole” Too funny
Is the Farewell Casserole by any chance a Humble Pie with a layer of Crow?
“Cast her aside like a first wife” – um, this is a business, not a marriage. And Vicky, more than any HW on the OC franchise, understands business. She has ended friendships over money and decisions that affected her bottom line. If the show is losing viewers because of her, then she should get dumped.
Can’t beleive how shady Bravo is. Wether you like her or not, it was she who spawned that crazy franchise and kept us entertained for freaking 13 seasons. I can’t even imagine the show without her. I don’t think it will work. Shannon and Kelly will not carry that franchise on their own.
Actually, I think it can. IMHO Shannon and Kelly provided most of the drama and storylines last season, while Emily and Gina breathed some much needed new life into RHOC. After being dunked on for three consecutive seasons over Brooks-cancer-gate, there wasn’t much left to Vicki’s story.
Spreading more rumors about her castmates? Been there, done that. Showing off another boyfriend with a shady past? Ditto.
While RHOC will lose a whole lot of institutional memory if Vicki goes, it’s what must be done to build on what felt like a fairly successful turnaround last season.
You can’t believe how shady Bravo is,??? Lol. First, this is business in the entertainment business and it’s not necessarily “shady” bug yes it’s Bravo. The same Bravo that allowed the cancer scam play out on TV In all of its disgusting glory.
I never watched RHOC until these last 2 seasons. Kelly, Gina, Shannon, Emily really added life to the show. Before that it was aged peroxide and what felt like manufactured drama. I tolerated Vicki, she seemed to repent, until she made the allegation about cocaine. That to me was actionable. Kelly should have sued her for defamation. That is an incredibly serious and damaging allegation to make, no exceptions. Then when pressed she admitted that Kelly’s ex hadn’t spoken with her (Vicki) in several months. It’s Vicki’s true colors – she’s ugly inside and out, and cares about no one. You see her going through the machinations in her mind, saying what she thinks she should say and do to stay on the show, instead of what she wants to. And her scenes with that rent a boyfriend are duller than anything on Bravo. Tamra would be the next one to go if it were up to me. She bores me. I do wish her hubby a full recovery.
I’m glad I’m not alone here! Yes, I was also pleasantly surprised by last season of RHOC offering more than just another rehashing of Vicki’s scandals. And yes, especially after seeing how Vicki used Kelly in Season 11 to attack Tamra and Shannon with such low-blow, disgusting rumors (probably false about Tamra’s husband; probably true about Shannon’s ex-husband, but that is absolutely how NOT to help someone escape domestic violence), I was repulsed by how Vicki turned against Kelly last season and spread the cocaine rumor during the reunion.
Is Vicki completely incapable of learning from any of her mistakes?
Yes, sorry TT, but I agree with Demi and ATD. I appreciate your respect for company loyalty to a long time employee, and I think you’ve been right about Kenya, but Vicki has become so intolerable for me that I quit watching RHOC.
No need to be sorry. It’s a very muddy situation.
Unlike say someone on the show with a cocaine problem.
Ha. Well, if karma hits Vicki as hard and fast for outing Kelly as it came for Gina after the innumerable Shannon is such a drunk monologues, Vicki will need to have her nose rebuilt.
atdleft, yes yes. I’ve been tired of Vicky, Tamra and Shannon. I’m older than Vicky and would appreciate watching a different (younger) cast of women if they have real OC lives. Vicky, Tamra, and Shannon should be gone if they want new viewers. New ladies have to be able to behave normally not like the ladies act today.
I recall Vicky and her Ex laughing, yawning at a dinner party at a OC HW’s home. It appeared planned but possibly in the moment. The OC hostess played it off, ignored them. I would had been furious and suggested they leave to get the sleep they apparently needed then escort them out. That small scene finished Vicky for me,
Well said Demi!
I won’t miss her either. Not one thing about her is appealing IMO. And this is frequently how employers treat employees. There is no loyalty. It’s all about the business. Surely Vicki would understand that, seeing as she is a businesswoman.
I’m tiring of the HW franchise. I hope Vicki realizes she was there for the best of it, and walks away. She doesn’t need the money like Porsha and LuAnne. Vicki makes bank in insurance sales. Certainly she is financially stable. If she returns as a friend I’ll be surprised, but she does love the infamy.
I’m starting to tire of the franchises as well and I’ve been watching since season 1 of the OC. John Mayer had an interesting point at Andy’s baby shower. He said they all act and speak as if the franchises are some sort of games show like Survivor where they are all trying to form alliances and take each other out. I realized he is right. It’s changed from how it started when it was to show the wealthy women’s lifestyles
The housewives franchises are getting beyond a tad bit boring. Same old stuff season after season. Nothing new under the sun, if you don’t include the fillers, botox, face lifts and tummy tucks. At this point, I only tune in for RHOD, RHOBH (depending on the outcome of this season), and RHONY. Loving million dollar listings shows, top chef and all of the new home shows. Can’t wait for Project Runway to start and Iwill give the Mexican Dynasty a try.
Why have you forsaken us in the Project Runway Allstars thread! I am worried CJ won’t do PR on Bravo if we don’t support her tireless work on PRAS! It’s the last Lifetime season!
https://tamaratattles.com/2019/02/08/project-runway-all-stars-pedal-to-the-metal/#comment-554075
These attempts to garner more youthful audiences seem to be back firing. As much as we love to hate Vicki, she’s part of the RHOC’s D.N.A. What happens when production companies toss the dice and lose the old audience? Lol . . . They can get sassy and unethical with the stars of Bravo shows but . . . . not with us! We can easily change the channel.
Sorry but it’s really not fun or enjoyable watching 69 year old women. Tamra and shannon need to go with vicki
Vicki is an unkind human. Every season she starts a rumor about a fellow cast mate and never takes ownership of her malicious behavior. I think her moment is up. Maybe she can find happiness and her own self worth.
Thanks LindyLou, that sums it up PERFECTLY!
So happy she is gone! I was on the fence about watching the OC again. It was very hard to watch this past season. Vicki is awful. It is all about her all the time. She is way too old to be acting like she does. Who knew those girls don’t make very much money. My favorite is BH. So happy they are back tomorrow night. Thanks Tamara
for the scoop!! I’m a big fan of yours!
I feel Vicki has been riding the “I’m the og” for a couple of seasons . I will never side with anyone who decides it is cool to scam cancer survivors – in any manner.
things end and Vicki needs to accept that change, how a RH is fired is inconsequential – being fired means – praise is not on the way. I will never believe Vicki is gone, and I believe she will amp up her part – we have seen this happen in RH world – where a demoted RH – in complete fear – becomes the only thing we see on our camera – even though the RH is on FOH or guest status.
To me this is a reminder to Vicki – this is not her show – as she has bellowed in the past – and apparently there are limits with evolution, and now Vicki knows that as well.
It’s interesting that Braunwyn is filming as a possible housewife. She is actually from here and I guess that is my main gripe about this show as well as others who talk around here. These women are all transplants from other areas of the country and are not from Orange County. Shannon is probably the closest coming from Rancho Santa Fe in San Diego. I think many possible candidates have turned down being on this show due to select cast members who many find off putting including VIcki being named by some. I hear negative talk about this show and when a few vendors here have asked to donate things like flowers and such for the show for exposure they have turned Bravo production down not wanting to be affiliated with the show.
I think this has been sent out as a warning tbh and if I were NeNe and Lisa V I’d be worried. There’s been talk about Bravo wanting a “younger demographic “ for months, especially regarding RHOA. Their target audience would automatically lower with Lisa V gone lol. Bravo might look like they kiss her ass but I wouldn’t past them just leaving her with VPR. NeNe and Lisa V have been expensive pains in the ass on the latest season of their shows and it’s documented. The press stories about Lisa, the producer scenes with NeNe, that one where she grabs the cameraman is obviously coming up soon. So their exit stories are already there. Bravo will probably give them insulting low offers to them next to see if they walk or take it.
Haha VPR has a huge massive younger generation following. Vicki shannon and Tamra are old. They have nothing interesting and need to go. Especially Vicki. She’s a vile person needs to go. Old lady. Nene & Tre are not old like Vicki. LVP is. She still has a young following on VPR
Way to insult the large majority of the folks you comment with here all the time. We are are shocked and duly cowed to realize we have nothing interesting to offer. However will we go on?
exactly I agree with Tamara T, it is hard to read this for a beloved housewife that helped start a franchise, it isn’t a great exit strategy for them, or for her, and not what I would want for myself. I love that Vicky is mature, she has made her own money , is a self made woman, with a beautiful home and family. Enjoy following her life, even if it has been shaky at times. I give her the benefit of the doubt, I think she did a lot of things either based on production or off of what Brooks had either wanted her to do, or she was madly in love with him,and acted out of his motives and hand. Either way, I will miss her.
It’s all about the money and sending a message. These OG’s make millions for 4 months of work. Unfortunately, Vicki has no storyline anymore since her kids are grown and Steve wants her to behave on camera. Plus no one has forgotten cancergate; especially the insurance lead/charity tactic. Also Vicki admitted she has treated the crew terribly at times and thought it was funny. Finally Evolution/Bravo are listening to fans.
These housewives do not make millions per season. Only a few of the RHOA and Bethenny Frankel make that kind of money.
I should of added with appearances and endorsements the OG’s have done pretty well through the years.
yea vicki is ok, at least we know who she is, sometimes they introduce these new housewives and they are just blah!
Really sorry to see what is happening with my favorite shows. Production companies have forced story lines and sucked any integrity these shows began with. I no longer watch any of the Housewives! Below Deck is still amazing. Seems to remain reasonably honest. I was looking forward to Southern Charm until I discovered that Ashley Jacobs is being forced down our throats . . . . again! No Southern Charm for me this season I’m perfectly happy to read Tam’s reviews until Ashley is formally escorted (no pun intended) out of S.C..
I loved jen snowden southern charm wish she was on more, haven’t seen her?? and more ,more , more of patricia altschul her parties are over the top and so is she! She is witty, scarcastic, and a southern beauty, wow what a house to die for!
Please get rid of her. Cannot stand her. After the whole cancer scam I was done. See ya later!!!
I am not surprised at Vicki getting a reduced role. I don’t think Steve was all that into being on the show other than positive little fluff appearances. Vicki has learned from the Brooks debacle that forcing her man to be on and involved in various nefarious conversations is not good for her relationship. I don’t think Vicki had the heart for anymore big blow ups or being iced out.
With Brianna living across the country and Michael being the potted plant he is she is running out of family to film scenes. She was big on getting rid of Jeana the true original real housewife and now it is her turn.
Over the years people have mentioned Vicki is just involved with her co-workers during filming. I am sure they will manage to have a nice Shannon/Vicki birthday party. Vicki may turn it into a Countess situation and end up making more money and getting more screen as a “friend of”.
I have always thought a good way to go with the OGs is to put them in a Cameran role of Southern Charm where an OG could sort of be a narrator. Cameran manages to portray her family in a dignified matter while still earning from the show.
Can’t stand her and won’t miss her. To say Bravo owes her loyalty is to say it owes loyalty to Slade Smiley, Jo De La Rosa, Donn, and others. Vicki wasn’t the only one on this franchise and she certainly wasn’t the reason that I watched…. other than in horror and sympathy for her children. She is so self-centered and so loud about it.
Bring back Lizzie, Heather, Alexis, and Jo!
I would love to see data analysis of the people who like certain housewives and what they have in common with them. Why do I like Heather, Bethenney, and Jill Z., and others like Vicki, Luann, Nene, and Kenya? Do people who like Bethenney also like Erika J?
Heather is a pretentious “new money” snob that is white trash deep down. Her husband also irks me. I cannot put my finger on it but something about him rubs me the wrong way.
Heather is also a hypocrite. She freaked out when Kelly yelled the “C” word on RHOC and then during an interview online said her favorite cuss word was the C word. I was like WTF?
She also blasted Alexis and Jim because she heard they were “rude” to people when out and about in Orange County but Jeff Lewis said Heather was very rude to waiters and people in service positions.
It is also rumored that her new home is barely furnished. I hope they never bring her back. There was nothing entertaining about her. She looks down on others and did not bring anything to the show. I feel like she wanted to be the OC’s Lisa Vanderpump but she doesn’t have the wit or the beautiful animals Lisa has.
I’m not the biggest Vicki Fan, but that’s really a dirty way to treat employees, especially your first one that helped launch your brand.
If Vicki didn’t test well there is no way that Tamra, Kelly, or Shannon could have tested any better. Tamra and Kelly should be the ones off the show not the OG of the OC. I don’t know if I am going to be able to watch OC anymore. I think this is a BIG mistake.
Well written piece! Vicki needs to leave and see how those ratings drop! Vicki is THE REAL HOUSEWIFE OF ORANGE COUNTY
I think Kelly is so vile. Shannon is a bore. Tamara is disgusting.
Vicki I didn’t mind. Emily I like….. looking like my days of being a housewife fan are numbered.
Bravo, Tamara! Well said and on point about the dirty dealings in Bravoland and the misogyny that pervades these productions.
These women have made complete fools of themselves, lost marriages, kids, jobs, and friends for fame and fortune. Some have even gone to jail. Then they get kicked to the curb like yesterday’s trash, or turn into caricatures of themselves.
There’s a book here somewhere, TT. I believe it has your name on it.
I don’t feel bad for Vicki at all. She should have been fired after Brooks-gate. I’ve been fast forwarding her scenes for the past couple years. She’s been mean and nasty for years and we get enough of that on other Housewives shows.
Maybe Kelly and Shannon can make her a casserole.
I’m being nostalgic right now and wish Bravo would go back to showing how these women actually live instead of all of this highly manufactured drama. I’d like to see how they truly live and work, along with their own quirks and and family dynamics instead of the constant screaming and throwing of glasses. I’ve slowly stopped watching these shows and used to really look forward to the OC but I can’t sit through another “dinner” where there is that much tension and anger all the time. I’ll miss Vicki only because I loved that she had a real business and is successful at it — not one of these housewives who suddenly becomes a fashion designer with never having actually sewed a thing or is suddenly a chemist who develops a skin care line.
This is exactly how I feel. I want to see real Housewives from the area of the show and not divorced women from other places.
Totally! I’d like to see a real friend group and not transplants that producers keep trying to bring on, hoping something sticks.
The nuances here are huge. People are forgetting that this is the abhorrent (sorry you all that live there) SO CAL, shallow, follow the leader/trend, have no principles demographic. Don’t forget that the producers are of that ilk too. I say this, as a resident of Healdsburg (No Cal destination town) that has become a place for this euro trash, blow ins, etc. to come to, because we marketed to LA, and they found out it was the place to be. They have brought this mentality here.
So, they assume everyone else is like them. Therefore, Vicki should be moved out for the likes of Kelly, Shannon, etc. It is a sad state of affairs, that is how the world works. They LOST what was annoying, but likeable about Orange County (remember their tacky apperance on Oprah, years ago?) and have replaced it with the lowest of the low.
Vicki annoyed me, but she was the gold standard. These fucktards have fucked up. Again.
If Vicki is out so am I.
I’m disappointed in this news and have watched RHOC since season 1. I don’t care much for Vicki but she did bring a lot of “institutional memory” to the show as well as being the only one self made and not just spending all her husband’s money.
I don’t know how this younger demographic venture is going to work out if RHOA is any indication which I’ve watched since season 2 up until this season which I haven’t been able to stomach at all. Fresh blood is great but Gina and Emily ain’t it and how Gina gets away with going through a divorce off camera is completely ridiculous when you consider how everyone else has had theirs filmed. If Vicki’s gone I’m all set with RHOC. Down to just RHONY.
NOOOOOOO! I was going through one of the worst times of my life 13 years ago and Real Housewives was my escape, at least for an hour. Yes, Vicki has done some beyond shady things, but then so has every other housewife who has stayed more than one season. It just wouldn’t be the same without Vicki and I really am interested to see how things turn out with Steve. She’s extremely smart in business but not so much in her personal life but again, that’s something she has in common with many women including me. I can’t imagine how hurt she is that she was the very first housewife and is being treated like this. That is just reprehensible on the part of the production company. It wouldn’t bother me a bit if Tamra and Shannon hit the road but I would really miss Vicki.
well said! and same here!
Don’t let the door hit ya, Vicki! Shame that she can’t take Gina and Emily with her.
I think that certain deceptions like that of Phaedra Parks slandering Kandi Burrus with the sex dungeon rumor- and the disgusting cancer scam perpetrated by Vicki- simply made them intolerable, and unwatchable.
I have been a fan since day one BUT this franchise has gone waaaaay downhill!! Vicki, Tamara, Shannon, Kelly- not good ppl!
My all time favorite seasons of all of the franchises to date were the first 1-3 of RHOC, RHONY and RHODC. That was some crazy and ‘real’ shit back then!
I quit watching two seasons ago so I don’t have a dog in this fight but I will say this none of the remaining women will ever bring me back to this show. I have disliked Tamra since day one and have tolerated her for a long time. I do not find Kelly or Shannon enjoyable to watch. I personally think that they should stick a fork in the OC and call it a day.
Vicki will be fine, she has probably set herself up nicely for retirement. She should happily let it go and roll off into the sunset.
So why NOW? Believe me, I won’t miss her…at all, but I’d have thought if she wasn’t let go after the cancer season, that she basically couldn’t get fired. Again, I’m no fan, but I can certainly understand her hurt and being embarrassment at being done this way, especially after surviving so long.
This is a shame. No way to treat the OG. I won’t watch this shit show anymore. Tons of other options.
And Jeff Lewis is thirsty and miserable.
This not a firing, it is a warning. Vicki at heart is so very insecure, and feels that the OC is her life, her show, her everything. She will return, although I wish it were other wise. Vicki’s lack of self knowledge and failure to learn from her mistakes, along with the constant spreading of vile rumors about others leaves her in a very bad position. She defended that grifter Brooks until last season. There are so many factors at work here other than just her age. She needed to go seasons ago, so this I think is a merciful move by production.
I think bravo is making a bold move that is sending a message: not even the og of the franchise is immune. If I was Nene, Ramona, Lisa and the other housewives that have been on their shows forever I would be very nervous. But it feels like it’s time. Time for a reset.
I’ve only read your post TT and a handful of comments.
I hope if Vicki wants to continue to be the OG she will accept the offer and be available for appearances as a friend. I’ve never needed Vicki to watch OC or ANY “wife” from any franchise. She’s like any other “character” from these first batch of “ladies.” I watch because I want to peek behind the curtain at a lifestyle I don’t live in different cities in different parts of our country. Yes, there are all kinds of personalities, relationships, jobs (money), children, spouses and real day to day struggles (that home looks amazing, how can I copy on a budget?)! That’s why I tune in to watch but now sadly these women are on reality shows where little is real, their few moments of “fame” and how to keep those moments of “fame” are what we see. The fights, one upmanship, ugly behavior and backstabbing are now all that’s shown.
I never cared for Vicki, not since episode 1, season 1, but I do believe she deserves some respect for this whole franchise of programs. If she decides to retire her HW status, good for her too. I think all of the HW’s save a few need to go home.
I think this is becoming a trend for Bravo (production) whoever. Yeah, throw her away!! Just like Kenya!! Typical to think younger women are more “interesting” or “sellable”. Is that even a word? As an older woman going through a big change workwise in her life I am very sympathetic to Vicki. She must be heartbroken. She built this shit!! Just pisses me off. We are apparently disposable.
She should’ve been fired after the cancer scam. Not surprised she didn’t test well. What would be her storyline? Manufactured drama with Tamra again? Shannon and Kelly don’t owe Vicky anything. Look how many rumours she’s spread about both of them over the past few seasons. Good riddance.
Thank you for saying what I feel so perfectly TT.
Im gonna kinda miss Vickie. She is a big part of that show for me and I do not think Kelly, Shannon and Tamra are at all any better. Gina sucks big time. I hope though, that perhaps Vickie might move on and enjoy her life with Steve. I imagine that show is a drag on the emotions. I dont think she should accepr a friend role but go out on top.
Vickie manufactured the lie about Kelly and cocaine and was unapologetic about it. She admitted that she just said something cruel to fight back.
It reminded me of Margaret on RHONJ claiming that Jennifer’s husband has a girlfriend. Then she admitted that she just made it up to hurt her! She made it up out of whole cloth. It wasn’t a rumor she’d heard and was letting out of the bag. It was her instinctive defense to tell a blatant lie.
Both of these women (Vickie and Margaret) thought it was fine to make up something bad about the person they were fighting with. It reminds me of Phaedra making up the rape allegation against Kandi. Phaedra was fired over it.
Vickie and Margaret should be fired for doing the same thing. (Well, Margaret did admit she lied within 5 minutes and her lie was not an illegal activity so perhaps she didn’t cross the line.)
I don’t think Vicki made up the cocaine thing. I think she said she did just to get herself out of the situation. Kelli and Vicki and the rest of them all went to dinner after the reunion. The cocaine rumors run strong through both RHOOC and RHOBH.
I would be more surprised to find out that Kelly does not use coke than to find out that she does.
Exactly.
It seems to snow a lot around some of these Bravo shows, especially Southern Charm and RHONY on the east coast.
Cocaine seems so passé…kinda retro.
To sing a tune from one of my favorite movies, All That Jazz:
“Everything Old is New Again!”
The cancer scam permanently altered my opinion of Vicki. I really feel it was one of the most abhorrent things a housewife has done (up there with lying about a rape attempt and physically assaulting someone). This said it is a pretty messed up way to treat her as an employer.
TT, thanks for such a well written piece. This just goes to show that you have AMAZING contacts. It was interesting to get the inside scoop of what happened and how these franchises operate. Thanks again.
When the next season becomes the last season of Orange County Housewives, Vicki will have the last laugh, won’t she?
Perhaps this show has lost viewership due to a lack of continuity. If they brought back the characters who left, or their daughters, we would want to check in to see how they are doing.
I want to see a spin off featuring “Crooks”, his baby’s momma, his children, his ex-wife, his current wife, his employer, and his coworkers. I want to see him in a crew meeting sharing inspirational sayings to motivate the team. We know he looks good because he has a rebuilt smile from an Orange County dentist.
In all sincerity I do wish Vicki, Steve, and their families well. Thanks for sharing. It can’t be easy to be on national television. I hope all ends well. Thankfully she is a successful woman who is not in need of a television paycheck. If she shows up for filming, good for her. If she stays away, good for her. Either way, she wins. ?
Wait, wait, wait!!!
How is a woman who is married for 19 years “a fresh young thing”?? No disrespect but doesn’t that make her 40 at the verrrry least? I’m guessing she’s probably closer to 45.
When I hear that Bravo wants to shake things up and appeal to a younger audience, I’m envisioning someone in their 30s. At 45, ain’t a whole lot new about you. Unless we’re talking new boobs, new nose, etc etc.
I agree. My source for RHOC says it is hard to find actual YOUNG housewives in the area these people live in because it is so expensive. I have no idea how old she is but she is not a grandparent. I think they want to get away from that, ARE YOU LISTENING TAMRA? I wanted Shannon gone if someone had to go. But the grandparent thing seems to be distasteful to production in the “going younger” move.
Nooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can’t stand Shannon & Kelly is just vile. Tamara is really good at her job of Head Shit Stirrer. That new girl who got busted for DUI whines too much. Nope. Nope. Nope. You’ll always be the OG to me VG.
After reading about Shannon and Kelly and bringing in the younger woman, I wonder if Kelly’s recent talking pig post was her way of pushing Vicki towards not returning. Was she letting her know that if she returns this is what she is in for?
Haven’t watched it since the fake cancer season. How low can you get?
I really don’t care what happens to Vicky. Having been hit by cancer, I feel her behaviour is unforgiveable.
If they get rid of Vicki can we finally quit referencing the fucking ‘Cancer Scam’?
Sadly, probably not. It was a ratings dream for Bravo though. BECAUSE WHO DOES THAT????
I happen to like a handful of women from all three of those groups. I like Bethenney, Luann, Erika. I also love Rinna and Leann Locken. I think you like who you like and all for different reasons.
I will be surprised if she leaves. I think she is money hungry and relishes in the fame and would take ‘friend of friend ‘ if that is all she can get.
No one seemED to work harder or play harder in the OC franchise than Vicki. Middle aged not all that physically attractive woman perseveres in various businesses while her personal life tends to fall apart made great viewing. BUT, thanks in part to Steve’s influence she is no longer worth watching.
Some years I rooted for her, others I hoped she’d get what was coming to her for always choosing her love tank fill up over famiły, friends and basic ethical behavior. Would she ever choose self awareness over immediate gratification? Love her or hate her Vicki peeing from laughing so hard and never, ever wanting to be dull kept me from changing the channel. Until she met Steve, followed his advice to never, ever show on camera what she’s wouldn’t want her grandchildren to see. Worst advice ever to a reality show participant.
Bye Vic. Still listening to the men in your life who seem to profit more in your relationship than you do I see. Old news, don’t let the door hit ya’ where…etc.
I know Vicki has a bad rep, but I’m going to really miss her. I liked her a lot, much more than I ever liked Shannon or Kelly. I thought Shannon, Vicki and Tamra were all close again. Kelly attacks other women’s looks and weight all the time and it’s so childish. The things she said about Heather and Vicki’s looks not to mention she did talk about Shannon’s weight at one time too show how low Kelly can and will go. Would be happy to see Kelly at a “friend of” status too.
FINALLY, they are ridding of us of the creature that calls the show ” her show”. She thought the show would not go on without her and YES Vicki it will go on and be a whole of a hell of a lot better. Good riddance!!!! I wish Tamara was going with her. Sick of that little twit vying for a storyline.
TT thanks for this post. I’ve learned that WE the views do have a say and that is due to YOU TT with your awesome daily column and us being able to respond.
Thanks I am pretty awesome and totally fall for the whole say something awful and then suck up to the admin approach to posting.
Here’s the deal. Vicki wasn’t dismissed for her past abhorrent behavior. She was fired for getting old.
And that sucks.
THANK YOU. That is kind of the point people are missing, are perhaps don’t care about. She should file an ADA complaint! (kidding about that part)
Karma has bitten Vicki on her woohoo. It will be interesting to see which is bigger- Vicki’s pride or her greed. I loved her in the early seasons, but cannot forget what she and Brooks did.
If Vicki is truly gone I am done watching RHOC. I’ve watched this show from day 1 and every year wish they would bring back the original cast. Tamra needs to go. She’s evil horrible has nothing to offer. Shannon is crazy! Boring now that she has no money. Kelly Dodd is a nasty old W. There is really and truly nothing left here to watch. Thanks Bravo! If AC had something to do with it I’m done with Watch What Happens live! Pathetic way to treat someone who started the party to begin with! Vicki’s BS makes for good TV. The only thing left is please let her knock Tamra out on live TV for me! DONE! Thank You for letting me rant!
W= whore? witch? whackadoodle? windbag? whorebag? wino? wildebeast? weirdo? whiner? weiner head?
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I hope she is out. I can finally start watching again!! I stopped watching a few seasons ago because I can’t handle her screeching and how totally un-selfaware she is. She is such a vile human it was a soul suck watching her. I want to watch again! See ya Vick
YAY! Welcome back to RHOC! I am sure you will enjoy Tamra and Shannon and Kelly Dodd now considering your high standards for moral behavior. These four should be right up your alley!
II spent most of my life in Orange County, taught at two universities there, kept boats in Newport Beach, even lived on one there prior to going cruising on my sailboat, but never once met anyone like the folks on RHOC. I watched from the very first episode under an initial delusion the show was an ethnography, & once that was shattered continued watching for several years just for the sheer horror because I’d never seen anything like that. Finally stopped about 4 years ago because I couldn’t take another single Vicki screech. My ears hurt too much, as well as my sensibilities about her behaviors. I discovered if I needed a fix of awful behavior I could just drop in here, TT, you could fill me in on the goings on in OC, & that was enough, & I go back to OC once a year for a class reunion, anyway, where I can touch base with real ) OC folks about whom I really care (next up 20 April, & our 60th reunion is 2020!).
Your last paragraph really hit me and made me stop in my tracks. You’re absolutely right we do tear each apart and it’s so wrong on so many levels. While reading your article I was thinking so many nasty thoughts about Kelly but then you made me think this has got to stop. No I certainly don’t think Kelly deserves my kindness or any awards but we have to stop tearing women down. So this evening I won’t leave a nasty comment about Kelly instead TT I’d just like to thank you for reminding me of why in a world dominated by men we women need to stick together even with the nasty bitches.
YAY! I am all for talking about the dumb things they do and say and calling them out for their actions. But just random putdowns and belittling them in general is taking it too far. Ditto physical insults.
Kelly is an awful drunk with a potty mouth who acts horribly on the show. Her actions are fair came to comment on. But some people just take it too far with physical insults and just random name calls.
I don’t think they are making the right choice. I’ve been watching since S1. I think they shouldn’t be bringing in younger women. I say bring back Gretchen, Alexis, Jeanna and Quinn and even Heather. All the OG’s would be fun. Quinn was a hoot and I think it was Susie that mentioned her, but didn’t know her name.
Maybe, since all the OG’s know each other, they could fight just for a minute and then keep it moving like they do in NY.
I know Jim Bellino is trying to sue Shannon and Tamra, but I don’t care. Plus, Alexa divorced him.
Very detailed play-by-play of what went down! I appreciate it, thank you.
I am going to miss Vicki!
Can you please explain how the “friend” status works? Doesn’t it mean that if she films, she gets paid? So maybe the loyalty should come from her “friends” Shannon and Tamara – the more they invite her to film, the more she will be on/gets paid. They should stick up for each other because Kelly will turn on one of them next! Kelly has very few redeeming qualities.
What we call a friend is simply a part-time role from productions viewpoint. None of the housewives determine who is in what scene or who attends what event that is determined by production. Usually, but not always the friend pay is dramatically less per episode than a fulltime housewife who is guaranteed to be in every episode at the higher rate. Production’s off to Vicki is a much lower rate than she has ever made with no guarantee regarding number of episodes.
It will be interesting to find out if Vicki participates at part time pay per the offer or just takes the season off. If she does show up, we know she is going to be grumpy to be working at a lesser rate.
If she takes the season off it will be awkward for the rest of the cast. I hope she does stay away just to make a point to the production company. Being rude to her does create the appearance of age discrimination.
https://tamaratattles.com/2019/02/17/weekend-update-all-the-stuff-i-didnt-mention-this-week/
Exclusive update about Vicki.
Vicki has used her “original housewife” status for a long time to excuse her behavior. I’ve been done with her since her blatant lies with Brooks. Bravo/Production is making a decision regarding Vicki right now. I think she has been much worse than others mentioned. If they do rotten things they will likely be met with the same fate.
I disagree this is a Bravo female issue. Case in point Jeff Lewis. He was never told Flipping Out was cancelled. Bravo just never offered a new contract. After ten seasons they could have said something. Reality TV is a tough world.
The important thing I take away from this is not about whether I like Vicki or not. I am APPALLED at the way that Evolution Media (and Bravo) do business. EVERY PERSON, even the despicable Phaedra Parks, deserves to know what is happening in their employment. Not telling Vicki they are thinking of letting her go p is ALMOST as bad as age discrimination. Unlike some of the HWs, Vicki runs a business and has a daughter (with lupus) in another state. She needs to manage her time and deserves to hear from Evolution, not the streets, whether or not she will have a job.
Bravo doesn’t rule the world. Vickie is better off leaving the antiquated cable television space. Go to Netflix and do a new show and take your audience with you. Bravo is a terrible network that exploits women, obsessively controls their talent, and peddles cheaply produced un-original content that formulates negative stereotypes and is the bottom
barrel of the entertainment industry. Bravo’s delusions of grandeur is the issue. Let’s celebrate women and back Vickie in this fight. F*&@ BRAVO!
When the Housewives shows first started they were fun. The women seemed to get along and enjoy each other’s company. They would make snarky comments about each other. But it seemed all in good fun. They could continue with the friendships. And the fun friendships are what drew me in. Now the in-fighting is not fun. They back stab and do hurtful things to each other to create drama. There are no true friendships any longer. Everyone is fair game when it comes to destroying the other woman. IMO that isn’t fun to watch. I can see that anywhere and don’t call that entertainment. So I don’t watch any of the Housewives franchises. I hope they don’t do the same thing to Below Deck. Take a look at some of the beloved shows. It is the friendships that people invest in, not the constant fighting.
Housewives has become WWF Wrestling for women.