Well you guys, this is the penultimate episode of the season. Next week it all goes to hell in a handbasket. I’m quite fond of Lea Black she follows me on Twitter and retweets me a lot, but I feel like she may be the unintentional (?) catalyst of this entire catastrophe. I haven’t watched last nights WWHL yet, but I know that Andy is very saddened by this breakup and that Jenni says only kind things about Jeff, at least from what I’ve heard so far. Let’s get this over with,
Lea Black’s renovation has been my favorite of the season. I am envious of the ability to just renovate with no budget. This show answers my renovation question “How much could it possibly cost?” I’m torn between abandoning the ghetto shack and the only place that insures I’ll never be a bag lady and renovating it and keeping it on hand while I travel after Banjo goes to doggie heaven so I have a place to come home and die. Since I was living here when I was born, the latter seems sort of poetic. The world traveler who was born and died in the same place.
OMG! They are going to High Point, North Carolina, furniture capital of the world I could not be more excited. Jeff is crabby as fuck. They are all late for their flight. Jenni has left her phone and needs to turn around. Jeff is SCREAMING at Jenni and Megan is already contemplating suicide. To say they are off to a bad start is an understatement. Jenni literally sprints out of the car to go get her phone. Gage isn’t sure if he should leave her or not. Jeff is ranting. It’s already very hostile. The twink of the season is getting smaller and smaller in the middle seat in the back. Jeff says they will take five minutes to go back for her, no more.
Dammit. We do not get to go to High Point, because we flash forward a week to another Low Point. We’re at the staff table and there is a guy named Anthony who is hot I’ve never seen before. Is he the new random hot gay assistant de jour? Jeff is pissy again and he comes for Anthony because he busted his phone and hasn’t had one for days. Jeff is pissed and says if you don’t have a phone you are not prepared for work. I’m distracted. There are so many better names that could have been chosen for this episode. High Point, Low Point, iPhone, iFuckedUp, I dunno lots of ways to go here. I am also praying to the gods that Lady C pulled me a photo of Anthony but she probably didn’t because who the hell is this hot new gay? And where is the new twink? Did he quit?
Oh wait, we do get to go to High Point, but not really, we just see them slaving away (are we still allowed to say that?) and being frustrated. Jeff is pissy with Meghan for complaining about the trip. Also it looks like they flew private so why the drama about being late? The plane is not taking off without them. And it looks like the ran into a funnel cloud at some point. Welcome to the south. I have a permanent tornado shelter set up in the middle of my house. Banjo and I have spent many hours there over the years.
Then Jeff opens the floor to complaints. He doesn’t mean it but he does it. Oh there is the twink! He was called on but says nothing.
On to Lea Black’s renovation. She has put an entire kitchen outside. She did it on her own and Jeff hates it. We are ten minutes in, I’ve written a novella and I’m mentally exhausted.
Jeff has a new client. It’s Randall! Lala from Vanderpump Rules betrothed! Lala is making all the decisions and seems to agree with Jeff a lot. Normally, I’d love to talk about Lala and this project that she is managing, but I just need to get on with shit falling apart. Why is Randall acting like he is cheaping out on the changes. He spends more than this on their vacations.
Chaz Dean? NO! MAKE IT STOP! Jeff is really pissy with Meghan and doesn’t seem to understand she has a child. Jeff goes off on her. Chaz jumps in to criticize Meghan. I pause her talking head to moisturize my neck.
I love this Lala reno. I would totally take that couch and chairs they are dumping. Blue is not my furniture color, I’m a red leather girl, but I would totally take his old couch. I’m not fond of the grey ones. They are lovely, just not me. Way too modern.
Meanwhile, back in Hollywood it’s a fake meeting with Lea and Jeff’s bitching is for real. Jeff’s new target is Tyler (sorry for calling him the twink, are we allowed to say that? I forgot his name) he tells him he is a bad assistant. Let;s file this under Jeff (and Gage) hate everyone who works for him. Jeff asks Lea to help him with his employees. Lea says if he wants to reach his full potential he needs to get rid of the things that are holding him back. No matter how much he loves and adores “those things.” Guess what Lea, Jeff didn’t get to where he is without a lot of support and hard work from his employees with no recognition or gratitude. So let’s see how well he does without that support system, shall we?
Jeff and Gage go out and talk about Meghan and Jenni not wanting to do four trips to High Point a year. Did we miss the part where Lea interviewed all the employee and told Jeff that Meghan and Jenni were “disgruntled”? They seem to think Meghan is ungrateful for the opportunities Jeff is giving her. Meghan wants to quit. Again. And she gives notice.
I realize I am not going to get to WWHL in a timely manner so I will just tack a few highlights here. I love that Emily speaks so highly about Shane who called in BECAUSE HE IS HOME TAKING CARE OF THE KIDS! I do not understand all the Shane hate. I think he is a great husband and y’all are just haters. He’s taking tons of shit for just being on his wife’s show and supporting her. Y’all are why we can’t have nice things.
Jenni doesn’t keep in touch with Zoila.
Thanks for being patient y’all. I am trying to keep my shit together Also is this the Brandon that left Stanley the Giraffe behind in the fire?
Surprised to hear Jenni has no contact with Zoila ! I hate to hear this. Maybe my favorite show on Bravo is a facsimile of reality ?
Stanley the giraffe is OK from what I read today.
Shockingly we have a post for this where it has already been discussed in comments.
Brandon did NOT leave Jeffrey behind. He was in NYC all week. His cousin evacuated his dogs from the Lucky Dog Ranch while Brandon was gone. Ranch was not burned. Brandon was raised in the circus — mom and dad had the big cat show — and he has experience with all sorts of animals..If he had been in town, likely he would have been able to help with Stanley, or give advice. HE LEAVES NO ONE BEHIND. Watch Lucky Dig on CBS to witness that. (He is Alanna’s ex.)
The most I am waiting for is next episode – I’ve already read Jenni/Jeff interview with People and listened to both with WWHL.
Jeff has screwed up in the past and I believe Jennie is done with Jeff, I would be. Jeff seems to believe he is doing all the work on his own, wrong.
Jeff will find out in a few years – when your child calls with a problem that needs to be solved right now – the parent will do as much as he/she can.
Not into watching 3 dudes jumping Megan to ensure their manhood is intact.
Accckkkk. Is anyone else getting (using Chrome now) an obnoxious black box with a white “Rotate your device” and arrow? And NOTHING happens when you rotate. But better than Amazon prize winner crap.
Nope. I am on Chrome and it is working fine. Sounds like you brought us all a virus.
Hmmm. ? Little Miss Felicia…I mean Lala. ?????The most hated girl before Trashly arrived in Bravoland has landed the Big Fish and is so far up JL ass it’s funny watching her hoops get stuck in the muck. JL secretly hates her but knows who’s pussy doesn’t stink. ???. Does the ???have an original thought? I lmao watching this 20 something trying so hard to be cool. Pathetic. I almost felt sorry for her. And Randall….Jesus call me a cab already. ?
Oh Tamara is going to DESTROY you!
You might want to add a link for a competing blog in your next comment.
Ms TT rocks! ???.
Obviously the children have the day off school today (insert 47 emojis here).
Early release day. Hate those.
See Bunni? I’m hoping you have read the commenting rules and are calming down. This was a normal adult post. 🙂 Read them and stick around.
Oooh, Im not into anyone that’s reality and I really enjoy Lala. We built out 1st house and I was under 30, got all the bids, organized deliveries, scheduled subs, chose most of my interiors except lightening, asked electricians to pick them out.
Lala is adorable and I find her brave.
I wouldn’t pick Jeff Lewis if I could afford him, I do like his results though. He is way to slow for my energy. Might be the show that makes it look like that.
I need more Lala types to watch.
Lala is precious. I know I’m prob the minority but I adore her too. Jeff is so intense then slow. I’d be eating Xanax like skittles working with him! Haha.
Amanda , you are hilarious. Seeing me eating your Zanex and ordering Miami styled $4,500 stools.
As long as you share and let me help pick out stools! 🙂
Most hated girl? I’ve always liked LaLa.
People hate her?
I love her. I don’t even know why. She’s always been sort of funny to me and has always stood up for herself. I like a girl who does what she wants when she wants.
Gross
Shut up Bunni. Tinder is the other app. Click that.
I would swipe left if I saw Randall’s pic in a dating app.
Funny, I was thinking there s NO WAY IN HELL she would be with him if he were not of some financial value to her.
Wait, wait, thus man took a girl, he had choices, got to know her, invited her to travel world wide with, net his friends at Cannes, helped her acting career. Now they are designing a home together. He treats her so well and
I honestly find him goid looking. He looks kind a lot of men his age and his treatment of Lka makes him look like Rock Hudson.
He did not become successful by being stupid, a mind is a wonderful thing.
He is probably good in bed.
Maybe it’s just me but it seems like JLD is awfully free with other people’s money. Look how hard he rode Lea Black, just because her outdoor appliances weren’t all on one level. “You need to get rid of them and make it so they’re all even.” And look how pissy he gets with the woman he is partnering with (she was heavily featured in last week’s show.) because she dares to check him on all the checks he’s asking her to write. And with Randall and Lala? Telling them how all their stuff is awful and they need to pay him big bucks so he can spend even more money to replace all their furniture. I know if I hired JLD and they kept wanting to spend MY money like it was chump change, I’d be finding a new designer pdq.
Finally, why does he have to take the entire office staff out to what is essentially a sales call? And then feel the need to discuss their job performance in front of all the other staff as well? This just seems to be a huge HR problem in the making…if they actually had an HR Department to begin with. Oh wait! Didn’t he make Jenny head of HR at one point? No wonder things ended so badly between them.
Two things…
If you’re worried about budget, you don’t hire Jeff Lewis Design.
You don’t get a job with JLD/Flipping Out if you aren’t prepared to be humiliated by Jeff on national TV.
This is well documented history, lol.
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We have a Bunni in here now.m, need a carrot. ❤️
I can’t figure Gage out. He sometimes seems kind, but he loves to stir things up and watch people get flayed. I wonder how much input he has into Jeff’s opinions of the others. The lunch with just Jeff and Gage was one of the only times I’ve seem them interact one-on-one without Monroe. I had never seen much of their relationship, but now I can see how Jeff talks normally with Gage without everything being a setup or punchline.
Jeff is way oversensitive, so he’s taking their High Point complaints too seriously and turning it into a huge thing. People’s feet hurt when they are on them all day running around. You don’t have to take that personally. Or, you can take it and figure out if there’s anything you can do differently next time.
I think Gage is very sneaky when it comes to Jeff”s behavior towards staff. I believe he rules the roost at JLD. I also think he can be somewhat pleasant at times. I had hoped having the baby would settle them both down. Eternal optimist here. I love watching Monroe grow up. I hope she doesn’t turn out like either of them. Maybe she will be a force to be reckoned with ? I find both Jeff & Gage to be so hard & indifferent. Wish Monroe can smooth out their rough edges. Feel horrible for Jenni.
I have always found Gage to be passive-aggressive – not a fan of his, but he seems like a great dad, as does Jeff. I’m sad to see Flipping Out come to an end and especially the end of Jeff and Jenni’s friendship as well – such a shame that Monroe is losing her godmother over all the drama too. God bless the next person(s) who takes Jenni’s and Meaghan’s jobs – he/she/they are going to need a LOT of blessings. I would be suicidal if I worked in that toxic of a work environment and I’ve worked in some very hostile environments. (Back to Gage, tho – I do not think Jeff and Gage’s relationship will last and it will be a horrific custody dispute if they do not. I really want it to work, however, and I hope I am wrong – I just do not see it.)
They are talking about having another kid already. I don’t see them divorcing. If they want to break up they will just agree to see other people but stay together for Monroe. That’s just my take on it. They will stay together for Monroe and do what they have to do.
Oy vey! I do believe they are great parents & adore Monroe yet both seem so confrontational about everything. The staff always looks uncomfortable around the lunch table. I would be too knowing Jeff will snap & fire you in a heartbeat. I predict that they will remain together for some time but dont see it lasting forever. They are both to ornery at such a young age ! Can you imagine JLD designs when both are really old ?
Zoila alluded to this a few times early on. She didn’t like Gage and thought he was pulling Jeff’s strings basically. Interesting …
Strings are pulled only idc the person allows it, Jeff’s been around, is aware, nothings done without his knowledge. MOOnly
The private plane was probably used to fly into High point from either Charlotte or Raleigh. Jenni checked out of this show a long time ago. She could at least carry a pad and paper to look more realistic instead of walking around befuddled. Not having her phone with her is odd. It’s right up there when Jenni left Jeff’s appointment book somewhere years ago. On WWHL, Jenni said what Bravo wanted in hopes of having her own show and keeping her big paycheck. I believe Jeff in all of this mess. Why would he risk his reputation on a lie. Also Jenni is listed as EP of the show.
I liked Randall. He seems like a decent guy. The house does need a lot of work and glad he stuck to his guns on not replacing the roof.
The new pretty boy seems dense. Caught him preening to the camera.
I like Randall too. It seems like all I ever read about him is people putting down his looks. So he’s not a hot stud but he looks alright to me. Looks are not everything. He seems nice and funny and intelligent and he must treat LaLa well. Team Randall.
IRandaks cool plus he seems happy with Lala. They had a designer for the kitchen and then hired Jeff. Randall probably never dealt with someone like Jeff before, he will adjust.
When Lea answered Jeffs question at lunch, I took it as she meant Jenni and Meghan. I thought it was humor until Jeff took it seriously. Lea certainly started this mess. I don’t understand what they all do in Jeffs office. He had more employees before.
The scene with Meghan and three men was awkward until they all laughed.
Is Chaz gay? All these years and I just realized he is really private.
Maybe it’s just me, but I am of fond of cheaters and/or trade-ups.
Chaz is gay.
TY Lawsangel, appreciated.
TY Lawsangel, appreciated.
Won’t be a surprise if Jeff returns to Bravo with a new different show. Bravo is niot going to toss s money maker.
My guess
You may be right about that. Chaz. has always kept his sexuality very low key.
Interesting story, a couple years back my daughter took me to brunch at Pump for Mothers Day (I met Giggy!) Chaz and his sister were sitting behind us. Apparently my baby granddaughter looks a lot like his niece when she was little. They started talking to us about it. He was very nice. We took a bunch of pics on our phones. It was a fun afternoon.
He might treat her well, but she doesn’t seem to treat well.
Did anyone notice they never even touched at all?
Fun Fact!!! The city of Highpoint, NC is directly between Horneytown and Climax. You can’t make this shit up!
The only time to go there is April and October when the trade shows are happening. Or right after, all the shops buy up the samples and you get great deals.
I want to come back as Lea Black’s Wallet in my next life.
I hope there are more scenes of Randall and Lala’s home next week. I was literally drooling every time we got a shot of the Keith Harings in their TV room. There must have been four or five of them.
Good for you Lala. You snagged yourself a big fish that comes across as friendly, funny and considerate. That he has good tastes in art is a plus. Best and most importantly of all, he seems really into her. You go girl!
I totally understand Jeff getting upset about having to babysit his employees. He shouldn’t have to say “do you have your phone?” “Is your phone working?” That’s just basic stuff and they know that having a working phone is required. Now I don’t know which side of the fence I am on with Megan. She knows the requirements of working for Jeff, the travel that is involved, etc. The funnel cloud freaked her out, I understand that if you’ve never seen or been close to one. Now, Jeff is doing her a huge favor by paying for her to fly 1st class and private and paying for her hotel rooms and introducing her to all these people in the business. She ought to be more grateful for that, seems now she takes it for granted and it expects it. Time for her to go.
I think Tyler is a great assistant. When Jeff was saying something to him about a notepad he was actually throwing shade at Megan for not having one. Tyler seems to know what Jeff wants and it a little smirky like Jeff is so he should be around for a little bit.
I don’t really know what to say about the Jeff/Jenni thing. I watched her on WWHL and she didn’t really say much about it. She seemed very reserved like she didn’t want to say anything about it. She said she never filed a complaint. I wish the 2 of them could/would work it out. I hope that Bravo does not cancel this show. We, the viewers, deserve another season 🙂
She made a mistake!!! Seriously, w can she not be forgiven? If having a phone is “required” then why does Jeff not provide them?
First, Jeff is making too big of a deal about attending High Point. Most designers do not go by choice. Maybe if they were in an area not served by a design district, like Sweet Home on Bravo, it would be beneficial. But they are in LA. As to making contacts, I don’t think Meghan is looking to create a furniture line. (Which by the way, Jeff Lewis has never been successful at doing. My take is that this latest gig is styling not creating.)
Second, Lea Black is completely wrong about the people holding Jeff back. Jeff Lewis will never take it to the next level because he is a micromanager. In this #MeTo era, I think the random male design assistant was thrown in to not make it seem like just the women were being singled out.
Yes Jenni seemed very reserved and her responses seemed very well rehearsed on WWHL.. I have to say I never was a fan. Especially never could tolerate the rapping particularly that potty rap thing she sang. UGH. It’s really a shame that she agreed to be Monroe’s Godmother as Monroe could benefit from having a woman’s guidance and direction in her life in the future. Instead Jenni says she will only pray for her from “afar”. I was thinking Jenni was on her best behavior hoping maybe to get more opportunities in the future with Bravo. I sincerely hope not.
I completely agree Cheryle!!! Jenni has had twenty years to make it as an actress and this is the only show I’ve ever seen her on. As my grandma used to say, “don’t bite the hand that feeds you”.
I like Shane and Emily (who I still want to rename Gina) but I also think Steve’s ok too and since y’all seem to bring up new and interesting ways on how he’s a shit head each episode, I might not be the best judge of character lol!
Huh?
I was agreeing with the end of her article… about Shane… from RHOC…
Which part are you confused about? ?
The part where you commented on the wrong article. ?.
“I realize I am not going to get to WWHL in a timely manner so I will just tack a few highlights here. I love that Emily speaks so highly about Shane who called in BECAUSE HE IS HOME TAKING CARE OF THE KIDS! I do not understand all the Shane hate.
I think he is a great husband and y’all are just haters. He’s taking tons of shit for just being on his wife’s show and supporting her. Y’all are why we can’t have nice things.”
Thanks but I think I have the right article ?
I am with Jeff on the incompetent mistakes made by all of his staff — phones left behind, lost notebooks, failure to prepare properly by pulling the file — none of them act professionally. Some of it seems as if the casualness of the office flows over to people doing their jobs. But it’s out of hand and he is entitled to ask them to do their jobs properly.
IMHO Megan is totally in the wrong. She took the job knowing the responsibilities. How many times has Jeff given her another chance? And don’t get me started re women using their children as an excuse for not being where they are supposed to be, on time and prepared. I worked at a very stressful career. I never, in 30+ years, left a meeting (or, in my case, the courtroom etc) because of a call from my kids. I had childcare in place. And it sounds as if she’s done this quite a bit. Part of one’s responsibilities as an employee is to make sure you have good childcare. Sorry not sorry. This is a real beef of mine, as I have seen too many women avoid their responsibilities due to child issues. And in my opinion, makes employers reticent to hire women, especially women with children. It’s bad for all working women. I will huddle in the background waiting for the blowback.
I agree with every point you made. I do not think Jeff has good training protocols in place. Even if a person has worked in that field, they need to know HOW things are to be done at JLD. There should be clear expectations and feedback throughout the introductory stage so employees can know if they are meeting expectations. In the case of Frankie, Jeff noted he was a hard worker, THAT is something you have or do not. I don’t think Frankie had any clear direction. I never see punchlists or project spreadsheets, etc.
I agree with you 100%. Plus Meghan was on the phone with teenage daughter and the kids stepmother. Sounds petty.
Definitely. And it clearly wasn’t an emergency. Means it could wait until she was no longer on the clock or at the very least, not in the middle of a meeting.
So glad you had the opportunity for “childcare”, not everyone does and not everyone thinks it is ok to not leave work when your child(ren) need(s) you. Women or men for that matter should not be shamed for putting family before work when necessary! Blood boiling. This is a real beef of mine! Women being shamed by other women is another.
Agree Irishred on the shaming for women who put family before work. I worked a 40 year career with childcare always in place, yet had to take those phone calls from a childcare provider who would tell me to come and pick up my sick child, and then have a boss tell me that I had to choose between that and continuing the job! I left, picked up the sick child and went home. Missed work for two days, then came in and dared anyone there to tell me that I was being irresponsible. My boss did not have anything to say after I reminded him that he gave me the job and knew those kids were my priority when they needed me. I am not talking about taking phone calls from bickering kids, but real issues! My boss decided that the tens of thousands of dollars that I generated for him was probably more important than taking me on about my duties towards my kids.
Children come before work, yes, in an emergency. This was drama between her teenager and the stepmom. Work needed and should have come first in that situation.
I completely agree with you. Megan’s daughter is 13 and was safe in the care of her father. Whatever was happening wasn’t a life or death matter and could have waited till the meeting was over. Furthermore, once Megan came back into the meeting she didn’t even attempt to catch up, she began talking about her personal issues. Very unprofessional.
I’m really sad about the way Jeff and Gage are throwing their employees under the bus. They’re so judgemental and feel they’re superior to everyone. Newsflash Jeff and Gage–you’re not! Jeff and Gage appear to resent all their employees. If they feel they can do things better themselves–then they just ought to do it.
I gotta say I started watching for the design ideas and house porn. And there’s been way too little of it this season. And last season if I want to be judgey.
I want to be transported to a different area code and see a little opulence and maybe a little home porn (sometime food porn) here and there to make me drool, with a side of sarcasm occasionally but not the main dish. Is it too much to ask for???
Has he ever “treated” jenni, for example Zoila and the facelift (not to mention the artwork), vanina the boobs…..did jenni get anything?
I can’t remember specific examples but Jeff was very good to Jenni. He also gave her bonuses.
Didn’t he pay for her divorce and get her back on her feat? Also, she said he volunteered his services to design her back yard and nurseries, and he’s kept her on during filming so she can collect a nice salary from Bravo. Sounds like a great deal! When I watched this last episode I got the feeling that something else was going on. There’s way too much hostility to not have a source.
Why do we have to call it food porn or home porn? Can we come up with a different phrase? Are we going to add ‘porn’ after every noun? Christmas porn, car porn, clothes porn? Am I missing something here? I mean, I’m old but not so old that I haven’t watched porn, I just don’t get the connection.
As far as Jeff is concerned, he seems like he’s biting off his nose to spite his face with a lot of his disagreements lately. Jenni has always been a big help to him and used to be very good at winding him down. Now she’s the enemy? Has the reason they fell out ever been explained ? Was it something about the sale of a house – I read that Jeff and Gage had liked a house, but couldn’t afford it, and then Jenni and her husband bought it. Is that the reason?
I hate the way Jeff always denigrates people in front of others who have nothing to do with the situation, or manipulates them into quitting. I loved the way Meghan handled their conversation about her decreasing hours – she didn’t get upset with him, just calmly stated the facts, and was quite happy with him giving her a quit date. Unless, of course, the who scenario was set up and she had already told him she would need to stop working for him.
Even though I think Jeff can be very spiteful, I enjoy the show a lot. If I were rich and needed renovations, I wouldn’t hire him for the simple reason that he doesn’t respect budgets. Still, all his clients seem to be fabulously wealthy, so maybe that’s an act too.
Really hope he and Jenni make up, and that the show issn’t cancelled.
I worked in an environment as well where the women used their children to get out of certain tasks & meetings. It happened so many times it was beyond unprofessional. I don’t have children so holidays, late nights, Sunday’s, etc., I was expected to work. Megan was so unprofessional in bringing up her situation in a client meeting. I was very uncomfortable for her. She genuinely didn’t seem to care either which was odd. She’s still on Jeff’s SiriusXM show so I guess all is forgiven.
Penultimate is my most favorite word. I am always looking for ways to squeeze it into a conversation. Kudos to you for great use of this word ??❤
Randall and Lala are a cute couple. I didn’t totally see it in photos. He is way better in person. Funny, cute, nice and I see what Lala is into.
I always thought he was kind of cute. It’s his personality that makes him cute. He seems like a fun person to be around.
Yes yes yes, Lala must also be special . They are cute together
Ok, so as much as I think Tyler is a rent-a-twink for Jeff/Gave, someone tell me, HOW DO I GET AN ASSISTANT LIKE ANTHONY? That boy has a jawline for days. All mine look like prepubescent regards and behave like such.
Meghan still appears on his podcast so we know she didn’t leave for good.
Chaz is a sweet man. Kind of an enigma for sure.. He shares that he basically keeps to himself, has no significant other and is not dating anyone. He seems to take his responsibility of being Monroe’s Godfather seriously and the fact that he and Jeff are close and have been friends for many years is a good sign that their friendship has endured where others haven’t. They both speak very highly of one another. I do hope that he will continue to be there for Monroe since he does appear to take that responsibility seriously. Chaz was just on their show a couple of days ago. Megan is still on the radio show with Jeff and Gage 3 days a week. She says she prefers being on the radio show if she had a choice.