Oh yah mon! It’s time to go back to Jamaica! This is one country I’ve been to that I have no desire to return to for so many reasons. As the taglines are playing I am reminded that the RHONJ taglines came out today. I tried really hard to give a fuck, but I have very few fucks to give today. Perhaps tomorrow. I’ve been very lazy today. Mostly because my drama of the day involves a sinus issue with stopped up everything, but my ears being stopped up like I’m on a plane or something is the worst. Winter is here in Atlanta and we skipped fall entirely. The leaves haven’t even turned yet. The leaves seem ready to just fall off green. It’s crazy. They say we are in for a super cold winter, which is strange because THEY also say all of our ice caps are melting and we are going to have summer forever until we die. I hate THEM.
The hotel they put the ladies in has no air conditioning. It seems like the housewives accommodations on trips is on the decline. The RHOBH had to stay in a Marriott half an hour from the wedding site and Camille’s house with the crew! Vicki and Shannon are holding up the ride to dinner because they are hot. Isn’t that more reason to get the hell to the restaurant with the air conditioning faster?
At 8:45. the rest of them leave Vicki and Shannon behind to get to dinner. Tamra promises they will see “fun Shannon” tonight. Emily is looking forward to that. I don’t know why they would care so much. I am so very over this one dumb storyline. If Shannon had killed a baby on the first episode, this would still be too long to keep talking about it.
They are eating outside at the restaurant at least it is dark and near the water for an ocean breeze. Wait, a mojito is a rum drink? How did I not know this? I love rum. But I love it too much so I never have it. Oh and spiced rum, could be the death of me if I start drinking that. It’s a bad for me. But I love the taste so much.
Vicki and Shannon have pregamed for dinner. A lot. They were well over an hour late for dinner. Shannon is having a major eye job when she gets back so this is her last night to drink before surgery. So after she talks about that, she starts muttering about how boring everyone else’s conversations are that are not about her. Shannon really doesn’t listen to anyone. She just talks. If she had listened to David she might have figured out he was seeking a relationship outside of their marriage. After I typed that, and hit play, Tamra said the exact same thing.
Then they argue about Shannon not acknowledging them. Shannon’s defense is she has a lot going on in her life. It’s all new to her. Gina points out she is going through the same situation. Emily mentions in her talking heads that Gina is going through a divorce and has three toddlers to raise alone, and yet she still reaches out to Shannon. Then Gina says Tamra is her best friend and she never even asks her about Eddie’s multiple heart ablations. This is a lot of “new” for Tamra too. Tamra suddenly mocks Emily out of nowhere for only having one glass of champagne at dinners. Isn’t she Mormon? I’m surprised she has one! What is the point of mocking someone for not getting wasted? Shannon is pissed and demands that Tamra set Gina straight.
When Tamra doesn’t do that Shannon flees to the bathroom to feel sorry for herself. Tamra goes after her. Shannon starts screaming about herself again. The scenes where all we see are a bathroom door are always the best. Shannon says her divorce is worse than Gina’s. Is this a contest? Vicki wants everyone to go back to the hotel. The sheep agree. Shannon denies that she has a negative attitude. The entire conversation is about Shannon and negative shit. Strangely, everyone agrees that Shannon is a negative Nelly and no fun to be around.
The bus ride home was very awkward. They other five women want to go for a nightcap in the lounge. Shannon storms off to her room and screams at the cameraman to stop following her and threatens to do a Jax like microphone toss. Did I mention how much she drank with Vicki before dinner? Tamra tries to go talk to Shannon and Shannon is stripping down in the parking lot trying to get her microphone off. Not really stripping down but it’s an event.
At the bar the ladies talk about Shannon and her struggles to … well …. be an adult. Shannon is complaining about having to pay bills, and pick the kids up and now she has her first adult “job” selling fish with fucking cream cheese in the middle. That’s pretty much normal life for everyone. We pay bills, we work, we try to keep the house functioning and they yard maintained. This is adulting Shannon. Welcome to it.
The new girls are allowed to go to bed. The other three stick around to talk about how Shannon cries every night. Vicki says she got on an antidepressant during her divorce because she could not stop crying. Shannon is depressed. Kelly says David must have been a saint to do that for so long. The other three go to talk to Shannon. Apparently, Vicki has procured access to a room with airconditioning. I don’t think they are going to make it there. Shannon is furious with all of them and screams at them all. She screams at them all about how she is a good person. All of them have been through a divorce. But Shannon’s is worse. They try to tell her she needs medication and that sends her off on a next level rant. They give up, Tamra says, “Then just keep crying every night, I’m trying to help you!”
Tamra is done with her and her hysterical phone calls and she’s had enough. I am so glad I have a more tolerant lady sitter. 🙂 Tamra is packing her shit.
The housewives moved into new villas with air conditioning. The ladies all go on their bobsledding and waterfall trip without Shannon. Vicki tries to call Shannon and leaves a message and offers to stay behind with her. Some of the other women did too.
Please remember in comments we don’t do the body shame thing on this site. Thanks.
Kelly Dodd seems to think the “Jamaicans won the Olympics.” Good Lord woman, the barely qualified and that was the big accomplishment. People buy them new sleds and send them money because it’s a novelty. I really like Emily. I think she is the most underrated new housewife in ages. This of course means she will go the way of Joyce on Beverly Hills who I also loved.
I don’t understand why Vicki is wear a black lack body stocking (well it is a two piece) to go bob sledding. It’s apparently her swimsuit with some pants. Now that I get that I could see thinking this was a good idea in theory. However, in practice she looks like a hooker and the tan/burn lines are going to be hideous. Vicki apologizes to the camera for getting caught twerking by the Jamaican part employee. She a respectable business woman and a grandmother. Steve is not going to like this.
The “bob sledding” thing is an amusement park ride. Who knew? Vicki is so fucking shady. She wants to buy Shannon a T-Shirt and says multiple times on camera that her friend is an extra large. The clothes are hanging right there. You just have to pick up the one you want and carry it to the register. I am really tired of production fat shaming Shannon.
All the girls think that the reason Vicki was wearing the black lace pants is because she has a Brazilian butt lift, or butt implants. Vicki says when she told Shannon she was moving to the cooler room, Shannon was drinking more vodka. They think she needs help.
Next week: Is Shannon still MIA?
Shannon is exhausting. It was so evident tonight. Almost all of them have gone through a “challenging” divorce(to say the least)& they all have kids. Honestly, why does Shannon think her problems are bigger than everyone else? I’ve had friends like this-I finally had to pull the plug. Couldn’t deal with it anymore. Any advice you do give goes in one ear and out the other. She needs to find a great therapist! Dr. Moon can’t fix this or the ‘lemons in the bowl’ lady.
I thought that was pretty low of Vickie to fat shame Shannon by announcing twice that Shannon would require an XL shirt. She even added that it had to be XL to “cover her tummy”. I just can’t handle this behavior- weren’t we supposed to leave this behind in 7th grade?
Vicki has yet to meet maturity. She is very well acquainted with odd mesh/lace ensembles and twerking. She’s ridiculous. I somehow missed the XL comments. What an asshat. My sister and I always get each other large or XL shirts, not our actual clothing sizes, but I’ve never said “My sister needs the biggest novelty tee y’all carry!” I just choose the size I need and pay like a normal human being. Obviously we aren’t meant for reality stardom.
I didn’t take it that way. If she had said she need the XL because she fat, then I would say she is fat shaming. It is obvious that a size XS, S, M will not fit Shannon.
She repeatedly said it was to cover Shannon’s stomach, which is very, very shady.
Not only did Vicki say at least twice on camera that Shannon would need an XL she added that she (Vicki) would need a medium. Not cool.
Vicki wishes she was a medium!!
TRUE DAT ?
I just can’t with these women, I do not know anyone that acts like them.
Jaaa’makaa’ … I enjoyed my week there. yaas’ maan’ a good time.
OMG best Rum and mountain blue coffee
Emily isn’t Mormon, she’s just married to one.
Wowsers, who did Shannon piss off to get her edit this season?? She’s not my fave but tonight was brutal.
I am so tired of the ladies picking on Shannon. The “intervention” scene was clearly not well-intended and if a bunch of drunk mean girls feel that it is appropriate to scream and humiliate a friend this way, then shame on them.
Dear Lord. The ladies finally flipped their lids over Shannon’s SELF CENTERED BEHAVIOR. All of these womenn except Emily(?) have gone through painful divorces. Shannon’s ridiculous entitlement (SHE DIDN’T EVEN KNOW PEOPLE PAY FOR WATER! ) is disgusting.
Welcome to South Orange County ” The Land of Entitlement ” that’s what I say to people who ask me.. why are people here unfriendly and judgmental?
I NEED TO LEARN TO READ THE COMMENTING RULES!
Right. Totally agree Tamara. Shannon is so self centered. I would check her whiny tail off my friend list a long time ago. At this point her friendship connection would be on borrowed time.
Shannon has lived such an entitled life. Her being a victim & so out of touch with how even semi well off people live, not to mention regular people like me, is STUNNING. Get a grip! She is so self centered it just leaves me breathless. Drunk or not, someone needs to call her out & tell it like it is. “David did everything.” It’s really hard to believe she went through life to this point with him taking care of everything while she did all of her “healing” things & espousing her “holistic” life. Seriously. Gives a bad name to REAL holistic practices people who live normal lives, having to make ends meet, use to help balance stress and sustain day to day with good health.
I mean… I basically got hooked on these shows because they demonstrated how the really rich live. Obviously not with RHONJ or really any series now besides RHOBH. So the lack of self awareness doesn’t bother me. If it did, I wouldn’t be able to watch any of the franchises at all.
My favorite episodes in every franchise is the trips. This Jamaica trip however was seriously basic. They’re at a low level resort. I go to Jamaica daily regularly and wouldn’t spend more than 10 minutes in a room with faulty AC. And those excursions outside the resort are seriously dangerous. They’re not insured and it’s all “enter at your own risk”. Crime in Jamaica is also a big issue so I just keep to the gated all inclusives that cater to couples.
Regularly not daily. Omg. ? I do not go to Jamaica daily!
Well, it’s a long daily commute just to smoke some ganja!
You’d save a lot of money if you just moved to a state with legal weed. ?
Daily flights to Jamaica would be awesome ?Though I’d get fat on the macaroni pie very quickly!
Macaroni pie??????? What’s that?
It is a Caribbean variant dish like macaroni cheese but in a sort of pie form and usually with a bit of spice. I think egg is added so it holds its shape. Had it in Barbados (every day ?) when I was there.
After I watched this episode, prior to exhaling before turning off the TV, I was immediately worried for Shannon. Not because she’s in “danger” or “alcoholic” but because this tape and these comments (both via her cast mates and viewers) could and can be used against her in a public court (aka: QVC) and private divorce court (aka David) of opinion. And while I’ve never (can’t help not hear Shannon in my head echo “ever”) posted before on any/all site(s), this particular episode hit hard in my opinion. As a woman, a mom, a sister, a friend, a HUMAN BEING, how the exchanges and shaming between Shannon and the other women unfolded left me feeling icky and concerned for Shannon. In four words: It was just gross.
I’m probably in the minority here but I thought that confrontation with Shannon was awful.
First, Tamra tells her to “flip the switch and get over it”. Like… that’s not how grief works and she is dealing grieving her marriage and her ex is making her life hell, as well documented.
Also? Tamra is a huge hypocrite. She sobbed and whined about Simon but their parting was at least mutual. Kelly’s comment about David being a saint made me sick. The only Shannon we’ve seen is one with deep marital issues. I feel like I’ve watched at least 6 seasons of Vicki and her martial/ boyfriend dramas and a decent amount of Tamra’s. Shannon is legit in being upset.
As for her calling the others at all hours, well that’s their bad. You have to learn to draw lines before shit gets out of control. It’s much better done privately and when everyone is sober.
I really didn’t like them suggesting Shannon has a drinking problem and should be on meds. That seems like something that greaseball David will use against her.
I also kinda get how Shannon isn’t used to dealing with bills and other seemingly obvious adult life. First Tamra mocked her for not having a job— but Tamra only recently got one. Shannon was raising kids and she was brought up well off. I legitimately thought my water bill was paid through my taxes for a bit prior to closing on my home. David and Shannon seemingly had super traditional roles in their marriage. I know plenty of women her age who have no idea how to pay bills and are well off. I don’t have kids so I am more involved in the hiring of people to do stuff (landscapers, repairs, etc) but my husband still is the one to pay the bills. I didn’t like them shaming her issues as “rich girl problems”. Aren’t they all well off?
Shannon would be best off to find or confide in people off the show in my opinion.
ADMIN EDIT:
I LITERALLY BOLDED THE BODY SHAMING RULE JUST FOR CUNTS LIKE YOU!
Perfectly said!!!!
I thought Shannon was right and didn’t overreact and Tamara knew exactly what she was doing setting this all up!
do you remember Shannon’s season 1 at Lizzie’s house when Tamara and Heather wanted to call an ambulance for Shannon because Shannon was upset.
Vicki is bigger than Shannon and Tamara always always back stabs.
Shannon opens your eyes and don’t tell them your personal business or call them, how could Shannon call them ever again after their complaining how many times etc.
Shannon should talk to them bare minimum just to continue on the show for the money that’s all.
“I thought Shannon was right and didn’t overreact ”
I mean, are these people serious? WTF is going on in the world? It’s like I woke up in CRAZY LAND. And I am saying that as an actual crazy person!
Shannon screams a lot. A LOT.
“You will ALL see the truth!” Yep, seen it and completely over it.
I think when Shannon was asking for 10 minutes to “decompress” Tamra should have respected that and backed off, But, let’s be honest, Shannon would have used that 10 minutes to work herself up into exactly the state she ended up in anyway.
She was an asshole at dinner. If you aren’t enjoying the conversation just listen politely until the topic moves on to a subject where you are interested or able to contribute. Don’t be snide.
The other women were right to be upset with her. Shannon just gets defensive at the slightest criticism, cries and screams. Frankly, it’s manipulative.
It’s also exhausting to watch. Imagine dealing with it.. without air-conditioning.
Like!!!!
Wait a minute… I thought we weren’t going to fat shame? “Her fat ass, and her gut is mammoth.” Yup, that sure lasted.
Sorry, I stopped reading the comment after they started off with Shannon’s behavior was just fine or whatever. Fixed it. Thanks.
To listen to Shannon all the time whining anyone would have to be a saint. She had a life bedtime her marriage, as she got married when she was older. I personally do not understand when women cannot do simple tasks like paying bills and what not. I also do t understand when women have their mom or mother in law come stay with them when they have a baby. I came home after an emergency c-section and my husband had to go to work so it was me and a new baby all by ourselves. I did it on my own and my husband worked nights so it was chaotic and we did just fine. I cannot relate to Shannon at all.
I don’t have kids so I can’t speak to why women would have their mothers stay after giving birth but if they can? Why not? Why wouldn’t anyone do anything to make their lives easier. This is supposedly a shoe about the lives of wealthy housewives so of course they won’t represent the majority.
Tamra and Simon lost their money. Remember the 100k tacky Rolex Tamra got for her 40th? She was vile in her first few seasons.
Meredith, as a 1st tune Mom it’s often reassuring to have a woman you are close to around just in case. Everything is new those first few weeks and it’s nice to have a trusted person there while your shower, etc.
Next to a parent no one will love your child or be as happy as much as a Grandparent. Besides Grandmoms cook and clean.
Right, exactly so… why therealdeb doesn’t get why women would want help with a baby is confusing to me. Who doesn’t want help, in any situation, if it’s offered?
It’s hard enough to be a new mom, let alone after a c-section, which is major surgery. I will totally be by my daughter’s side to assist her and the baby should she ever require one. My mother lives close by so we received quick daily visits the first few weeks and fewer and far between as everyone adjusted. Family support is a wonderful thing if the relationships are healthy ones.
I’m sorry but this comment reads as “I had to raise my baby alone, so I don’t understand why everyone else can’t…”and comes across as a little callous. If the support is available to you and people are willing to help, why wouldn’t you accept that? Being a mom is tough and challenging and I think it’s wonderful when you have family that is willing to help out.
Meredith, you are not in the minority. I rewatched the episode where Shannon spoke about her personal growth and not retreating. She apologized to Tamara and vowed to “work on it if Tamara felt less than cherished because her friends meant everything.” That’s gross that Tamara talked behind her back the entire time, worst was reading the message from Eddie. One assumes venting to their best friends is a safe place, It’s not Shannon’s fault she stuffed these feelings. I’d never trust her. This douchebag ex is still abusive to her NOW. HIS ENTERTAINMENT & TRAVEL budget is more than hers. Check Radar last week, him screaming at her in court. You cannot compare pain or the dissolution of families.
Shannon went through infidelity on tv. She wanted to stay married, unlike the others. You can’t compare. She married at 37. In my opinion she’s been in hell covering abuse that’s continuing. This could’ve been handled much better. Miss Tamara has taken off in a wind sprint herself before. FYI-she’s blaming production for being 2 faced.
All Shannon heard was “You’re crazy”. Anyone knows not to come on all at once with alcohol involved fueled by Gina in an accusatory way. Whether she meant it or not (she did through Tamara under the bus) she let a hurt, paranoid, insecure woman who had faith in Tamara know in front of everyone that Tamara thought she was a shitty friend. I’d have been embarrassed too. I’d also have been humiliated if my friends who had never said a word, were suddenly complaining about my phone calls in the same conversation.
I thought the entire thing stunk!
And yes I fully believe she hasn’t told the half of it by how hateful David is now. Find new friends Shannon!
Well said Sarah!
I agree with you. They just kept screaming “listen!! listen!! listen!!” but didn’t say anything else. I would have been mortified if my “friend” who I told all sorts of secrets to, was talking behind my back and complaining about me. This was a bad marriage with two people who were totally wrong for each other. My mom never paid a bill either and we were lower middle class.
I see both sides. I think Shannon was in an abusive marriage but she needs therapy and to not exhaust and overextend her friends. It’s also not an excuse to ask people how they are doing. I also think they could have handled it better. And set aside a supportive moment to tell her they need boundaries and to encourage her going to therapy.
Nasty Tamra is so extremely jealous of the amount of alimony money Shannon is getting from David. I’ve been waiting for the Tamra trying to ruin Shannon storyline since the minute I saw that scene where Shannon tells her the judge ordered him to pay 30k a month.
I heard the envy dripping in Tamra’s voice & knew there was going to be hell to pay. Almost immediately after, we saw Tamra talking shit about Shannon not knowing she has to pay water. Tamra is the meannest bitch in the world to someone she is jealous of.
THAT’S MY OPINION!!!!
Also I think Shannon is insufferable. I’m literally team no one. No wait I do like Emily, Gina and Kelly.
I wish so badly the 3 witches of Cota would gtfoh.
That might be your opinion but your facts are wrong on the support payments,
Right isn’t it like 22,500$ which includes alimony and child support? I’m sure lher girls go to private school and that is exhorbantly expensive. Plus they play sports, one of them drives, etc. Seems fair to me and I’ve dealt with the California family courts firsthand.
I 100% agree. Early season Tamara was all about that horrifically tacky 100k Rolex Simon gave her, talked shit about Gretchen dancing “like a stripper” at the club the went in in Vegas. She also tried to get out of going to the club in Vegas claiming her and Simon have an agreement to only go to clubs together.
Now she’s showing her tits to everyone in Mexico and Jamaica. She may keep reinventing her image from trophy wife to scorned wife to born again Christian to body builder, but she’s still a jealous, petty person in my opinion.
I think Tamra has really tried to be a better person. I wish people would give her more credit for her growth than judge her for stuff she did ten years ago.
Shannon is insane, not like fun crazy aunt Sylvia insane but off her fucking rocker insane. She has always been an arrogant self centered twat. I remember her first season having to chug vodka straight just to attempt to be intimate with David. She could go away and I wouldn’t miss her. I also really enjoy Emily also, she is pretty freaking real, and Gina cracks me up. Her accent seems to come and go at times. I could not handle a friend like Shannon and with Eddie having the issues with his heart and her not even asking after him is selfish.
Gina’s accent sounds midwestern to me; it’s drfinitely not a normal NY accent.
Gina’s accent comes and goes. Her whole story has never made any sense to me. Nothing she says adds up
as a native new yorker from the isle of manhattan, have always found the long island accent to be strange.
Long Islanders give new yorkers a bad name
I’m from Long Island. There are good people everywhere.
Her accent has too many “r”s in it. I don’t think I evah use an r when I tawlk. Sweah on my life.
They do sound strange to me too. Like people from different areas of LI have different accents. Although I guess you could say the same about NJ and I live in Northern Nj. I only have a noticeable accent when I’m super mad or really drunk. I promise you I don’t talk like anyone on RHONJ.
At least Gina wore a bra last night on WHHL. It pained me to see her first appearance— she’s young but she still needs to wear a bra.
Also a Long Islander here- and I barely have an accent. People ask me all the time where I grew up bc they don’t believe I grew up here. Some people have thicker accents than others, just like any other region.
Question about Shannon’s alimony/child support- does she have to pay income tax on that? Makes a huge difference. My household income (two working adults) is approximately that (before taxes) on LI- and we live a comfortable middle/slightly upper middle class life here. Her whining about it not being enough is ridiculous. My chidren attend public schools and we live In a 2k sq ft house and no complaints here! I really don’t have much sympathy for her at all. She’s setting a terrible example for her daughters. Hopefully they will see how this is why you shouldn’t let a man do everything for you.
Their Father does a lot for those girlstoo. . He bought the older one a new car. He drives the twins to school so Shannon can sleep in everyday. He pays for their private Christian Schools.
I wonder if she has to pay taxes on that now too. If so, it’s probably not enough for them to live even close to how they lived previously. Plus they live in a rental home.
Once I did the math I realized it’s not an exhorbant amount of money.
Gina and Emily don’t look that young. Gina looks to be in her late 30’s and Emily looks around 45. How old are they?
I promise you Gina’s accent is NOT midwestern!
So basically Gina’s only storyline is the fact that Shannon doesn’t want to be her BFF? I am sick of hearing her whine about Shannon not wanting to be her bestie. Gina get a story-line and Shannon get yourself some goods meds… and Tamara BE NICE you’re not acting like a christian.
Ouch..just all of it is ouch on my brain. I’m trying real hard because I’ve enjoyed this blog. Each season feels worst than last. I think the freshness of Emily and Gina’s feisty self give it a pulse. I’m so sorry but maybe just do a recast. I think Vicki should go off with Steve and good luck. With the addition of new housewives it feels like Vicki will continue to cut into and replace,add body parts to be hip. It’s sad. Shannon really just cockblocks my whole OC vibe. I’m sorry it’s not a body thing or age thing it’s a presence thing and she is a drag. I like Kelly.. loony as she is. I’m trying to hold on to be able to be part of this community.
I am so looking forward to Dirty John. Christ Eric Bana is a hall pass for me. I peaked at Waverly Place. I like it but ditch the barmaid from Brooklyn that has made it clear it’s her way or life sucks. She makes my brain itch. Anywho keep on fighting the good fight Tamara. I’ll keep hanging out in comments.
Mmmmm…. Eric Bana …. mmmmm
Shannon needs to seek therapy on how to deal with confrontation and part of me feels like all these “ladies” all suck back on grandpas old cough medicine to try to cope with confrontation. No one can argue sober but Gina and Emily. I like them both but Gina could have approached the situation differently. But then we wouldn’t have a dramatic housewives show I guess. It would be a show filled with level headed, predominantly educated women who make charitable donations regularly. Who wants to watch that? I digress. I am impressed with how much these hags do shit talk behind each other’s back. Like being back in hs cheer squad. You women know these things playback, yes? Sheesh. Oh and Tamra screaming to Shannon that she never listens should’ve been followed by a flashback of Tamras outburst in Ireland screaming “Fuck yoooouuuu!” An inch from Vicki’s face. You throw booze on them and they turn to gremlins.
Gremlins! Perfection! This entire vacation has been awful to watch. Silly me was actually excited to see them in Jamaica; a friend of mine recently spent two weeks there and loved it so much. Seeing Emily and Gina having fun and not getting total wasted is nice because I always wonder how the hell these women drink so damn much. I’m almost 37 and there’s no way I could keep up! Seriously, I’d be bedridden for at least two days but these ladies can drink like they’re in college. Does not compute!
God help me my above typos are nauseating.
I apologize now too tired to figure out how to edit. ?
My biggest problem with this RHO cast is that their age ranges are absurd. Gina is the same age as Vicki’s daughter. They can’t relate or socialize properly. It doesn’t work for me.
RHOBH has done a decent job with keeping women within 12 or so years of each other. Same with RHOD and RHOP. RHOC started off with having a younger cast member in Jo. If I were Shannon I wouldn’t want to be friends with someone in their early 30s. And if I was Gina, I wouldn’t care about being friends with Shannon unless it’s for screen time.
Spot on Girl! I’m not friends with any Millenials either. They are my kids age. I love them but prefer my peers to hang around with. Don’t understand why Bravo cast these two millennials with the OG’s. They’re boring anyway and a bit whiny.
Gina and Emily are not milennials.
I think we should take all the old housewives out behind the barn and shoot them. Or if it will make the liberals happier we could go with the ice berg thing.
Because clearly no on in real life has friends or even husbands outside the 12 year range. I mean how could they possibly?
Gina (who I think should be called Emily) is a millennial. She’s 34 years old. She has nothing in common with anyone other than Emily who is in her early 40s.
I’m 38 so I barely escaped being a millennial but I enjoy watching the older housewives more than the new, younger ones in general.
TT what’s with the liberal comments? Just curious, lol
BTW. ice bergs don’t float very far with the warmer ocean waters, guess that was the humor. You are to far inland for it to be a concern.
These girls are just so toxic. You just can’t chase an introvert like Shannon and bully her into reacting and not expect this. Tammy Sue and Vicki have been married to mild mannered introverts who don’t respond to being yelled at. They need to retreat and reflect. These girls just yell louder, repeating the same points. Shannon is depleted by this and needs to retreat- it’s what she needs and is asking for; it’s just not good for contrived tv fight scenes.
Tamra is so well aligned to being a trainer. Even the flashback of Vicki’s divorce meltdown is Tammy Sue the trainer with the “suck it up” attitude (so supportive) yelling in Vicki’s face in Ireland. It’s so embarrassing.
You would think tamra and vickie would understand shannon a little better and have some sympathy. Not that long ago tamra was the target on the cast trip and went screaming through a hotel to get away from everyone, but she tells shannon she can’t do that. And in Iceland, what’s her face locked herself away for a day. Vickie had been singled out on cast trips too and had tamra screen in her face. They’re just repeating the cycle. New cast trip, new victim. They all draw straws for it I swear.
Thank you for writing your posts so quickly. I always look forward to reading them before bed.
PS My black lab’s name is Banjo. He’s a rescue from Alabama
Love it! Banjo was Banjo in the shelter and the name just seemed to fit
Gawd, I hate Bravo for forcing these women into suites with “broken” AC so they break down and fight sooner. Notice how they get moved once they finally have their cathartic fight dinner? Such utter bullshit.
As annoying as Shannon can be, having multiple people bullying her about taking medication is beyond. And of course the crew won’t let the woman have 5-10 minutes to herself to pull herself together – we must force her to have a tearful breakdown on camera! It’s like gladiators in Ancient Rome. Andy Cohen sucks.
?No way I’d go to the Caribbean and stay in a hotel without AC. This UNreality TV. Lol.
was gobsmacked by the meds conversation, as not one a single woman amongst the group is a doctor and/or therapist
To me, Shannon is the same this season as she was on her first season, self-centered and the injured party whether it was Heather, her husband, or Vicki. That’s one unhappy woman and she seems very satisfied with who she is. Still tiresome after all these years.
I think most people have had friends like Shannon. Their problems are always worse than everyone else’s. It is exhausting to have a friend like that. They totally lack self-awareness. I think when David said she was born with a silver spoon that was not an exaggeration. She refuses to even acknowledge that her problems are nowhere near “real people” problems who can’t afford to pay rent, buy food and take care of their children after a divorce.
When you don’t know that the water coming out of your spicket isn’t free & your 50 years old, you have problems…. I like Shannon , but she really needs to pull herself together
Kind of like Bethanney
What does that even mean?
Shannon’s problem is she is soooo “needy’…..she is a bottomless pit of neediness.
I don’t know what would change that but the more attention and sympathy she gets the more she needs and demands.
Its like a drug with her.
Perfectly stated.
Spot on!
Shannon is the reason I quit watching.
The only way to survive in a group of nasty hags like this, is dont let them see that it bothers you. Its the only way. So Shannon has to make herself not care, and not take any of these friendships too seriously. As mean as they all are, none of these friendships are gonna amount to hill of beans. Just think of your QVC deals, the weight youre gonna lose, the money you have, your wonderful daughters, and shine it on. And, dont trust Tamra. She gossips all the time, so stop calling her.
This is a great and encouraging comment. I hope Shannon reads this post and reads your comment, thank you.
So true! It’s the only way to survive being on this mess of a show.
Oddly, that’s the same advice that Tamra tried to give her.
Except for the “don’t trust Tamra” part, lol.
In the end, Tamra didn’t defend Shannon. It has EVERYTHING to do with Tamra (or Bravo editing). Come on Tamra! Say something!!! Lol . . . We have REAL problems in this world. Is it really important that Shannon doesn’t make nice with Gina? Or that Shannon didn’t put you first? 🙂
Oh Tamara has…..she’s said it’s production. They make them talk about certain things. )She’s catching a lot of heat for being 2 faced
Gina is a big nothing. RHOC found a newly relocated, separated housewife with three small children, who apparently only claim is she and her husband, who the viewers have never seen, are consciously uncoupling. It is difficult to relate to someone who is really not terribly interesting. Whining about Shannon and trying to split up Tamra and Shannon is not really great TV.
Vicki and Tamra left their marriages for men. Kelly did the first time she tried and filed for a divorce and reconciled to get a spot on the show. Their situations were very different.
As to Tamra, the show is her livelihood and for virtually every season she has been a parasite feeding off another cast member’s misery and exploiting it for the show. It is all she has besides taking her clothes off for the camera. She is the sole support of her family her reasons for being such a miserable human are financially based. So much of her nastiness comes from the fact that Shannon receives the child support and spousal support she is legally entitled to. Long ago a RH said production does not force you to say anything-her backstabbing of Shannon is all on her.
Emily has decided to assume the Greek chorus role on the show and comment on Shannon. For someone who is married to a charmer second only to Jim Marchese of the RHONJ, she doesn’t seem to have any depth in the relationship department. There is nothing remotely interesting about her life as it appears on the show, let alone “fun”.
I like Emily very much. She seems pretty grounded. And i think her husband is funny. I don’t get the dislike people have for either of them.
I don’t dislike Emily. She seems perfectly nice, a little boring even. It’s her husband who is a pain.
I’m quite fond of her husband as well, and think it is pretty pathetic the way the Kelly speaks to him. And how some viewers attack him.
Does Simon not pay child support? And Eddy did work regularly at their gym before his heart problems. He still seems to be pretty involved with the gym though not probably not running classes now. So I’m not sure how Tamra is the sole support for her family.
As soon as Shannon starting muttering to herself at the dinner table “oh this is fun, what a fun dinner” etc I knew it was over :0 And I did NOT need to see Vicki twerking!! Eye bleach please! And I didn’t care for the body shaming of Shannon by her either. All of them look great body wise to me! If I had my pick to trade with, I’d want Emily’s!
Vicki must of borrowed Phaedra’s twerking outfit. Both women are gross but think they’re the bomb.
Shows how crazy this show has become when Vicki is the voice of reason (except for tee shirt comment).
I mean gross wearing those black see-through outfits.
Was I the ONLY person who not only heard Vicki say that Shannon was an XL, but she said, “no, not for me, for my friend, to cover her tummy…me, I’d be a Medium…” I SWEAR I heard her say that. Talk about delusional! Anyhoo….ditto to most of these comments. I really don’t have anything else to add about Shannon. But, I did realize last night that the reason I can’t keep the new girls straight is because Gina doesn’t look like a Gina to me. Emily looks much more like a Gina. I don’t know why. But, there’s that. Thanks, TT!
Also, wondering if you are going to say anything or recap the show that followed RHOOC last night, TT – Welcome to Waverly? It’s apparently only on for four nights. I don’t think it is worthy of recap, but would love to hear what others thought so far. (Forgive me if this just broke some posting rule because it was outside the scope of the original post…?!)
I’ve had exactly the same problem getting Gina and Emily mixed up – each looks like she should have the other’s name. I think I’ve read that Tamara has the same problem. Also, I have trouble matching names with faces in my real life – see a face that looks familiar, but don’t have a clue where they “belong” – are they from my doctor’s office, the supermarket, a local restaurant? It’s embarrassing sometimes.
As to Vicki being a size medium, I think that’s in her dreams. I’m glad I’m not rich because it seems like wealthy people have a lot of pressure on them to still look young and curvy when those days are long gone. At least in my “social circle” we’re “permitted” to have middle-aged (or older) bodies, and there are a lot of boobs that are nearer the equator than the north pole.
I’m really sick of Tamra’s shrieking on this show. Actually, not just her. The amount of yelling and fighting has become ridiculous. I don’t know anyone who acts that way – it would be nerve-racking to be around that every time we went out, plus how embarrassing to do it in a high-class restaurant or a resort. Bravo is wrong if they think that’s what we want. OK, a little bit of arguing and conflict is entertaining, but outright war all the time? No thanks, I’ll just channel surf until I find something less jarring. That’s why I rarely watch most of each episode and rely on Tamara’s excellent recaps to keep up to date.
Shannon and Gina are on such opposite ends of the spectrum. I am a little worried for Gina. She seems to be stuffing it all down and that’s not good. With small kids like that I hope she is getting some counseling or has a good support system. Shannon is definitely spiraling out of control. I hope that she sees herself on these episodes and starts to realize that she too, could use some help.
Shannon’s been spiraling out of control for years now. I don’t think she’s the least be self-reflective. Watching herself on the show this season isn’t going to change her if the past seasons didn’t already. She’s getting worse, not better.
I know no one likes David. But I have always seen this side of Shannon personally, I don’t see how David stayed as long as he did. He did go about it the entirely wrong way. But good god, she treated him like a dog and was such a controlling C You Next Tuesday and still is. He makes more money doing nothing in a month than I do in 3 months working my butt off. She will always play the victim. Everyone on this cast needs to go. They need to clean house and re-vamp it. I only read the re-cap’s. Watching the show would be like 60 minutes of my life a week I will never get back.
Psst! I like David and would much rather hang out with him than Shannon. And, chips for everyone! 🙂
This I’d. Man who threw his wedding ring at his kids. That is revolting. Divorce was SNY easy but to do what he did is disgusting.
Ugh sorry. David threw his wedding band at his kids. He throws a fit every time they go to court and rept presents himself.
He’s basically screwing himself.
He is independently wealthy As is Shannon. That alone creates a lot of drama. She deserves her alimony.
They’re both selfish pigs.
Btw, shannon did work and had a good career before marrying David and having kids. She ran a whole department at a large national company and then started a company with a friend. She had a great place and adulted just fine before she got married.
What company did she work for? Shannon grew up in the I Magnin family & stores I thought. She said in the first season how privileged/well to do background she had. .
Shannon’s maternal grandfather was the CEO of I Magnin. Her mother was an only child. Shannon’s parents had a successful real estate agency in Rancho Santa Fe. Ultimately her parents divorced. Shannon’s grandparents on Christmas in 1987 were kidnapped from a hotel in Palm Springs, put in the trunk of their Mercedes and driven to their home in Rancho Santa Fe where they were robbed of over $40,000.00. Eventually after seven hours in the trunk, her grandfather was able to break free of his bonds. Shannon was 23 at the time. Her grandfather died in 1999. Robert Shannon founded the Los Angeles Music Center.
Shannon went to USC and received a degree in Finance/Business then law school. She worked in the financial world until she moved to Orange County where she had a successful career in freight sales and brokerage.
I believe Shannon’s point was David never took her seriously in her business pursuits, in spite of her business background.
Her background was one of privilege but she also had to work as a waitress in high school and college. Shannon stands alone with these women as she was raised with a family with money. She worked until she married David ad had Sophie. My guess has been David paid the bills because he did not want Shannon to know where the money was.
WOW! Tis all.
Thanks for the info. I bet Shannon thought paying 13K a month for a rental home the water would be included. Then, it’s California. Hope she hired a forensic accountant.
Shannon’s grandfather was named Robert Shannon? Was her maiden name Shannon Shannon? Or was that her mother’s father?
Shannon’s maiden name is Storms.
But did she pay a water bill?
Oh, come on. Listen to you people belly-aching over Shannon. You’re collectively undulating with jealousy – like a passel of log-shaped viridescent Jell-O shots all lined up on a twin bed in a Route 66 motel, with the Magic Fingers dial turned to “judder”. Did you really think The King Charles and Random Spaniels Society of Saints and Martyrs hands out membership cards to Just Anybody? Martyrdom is no laughing matter – it’s a DISCIPLINE that requires decades of mental and physical training and the most rigorous certification. You must master the fine art of tear-duct-erections, attend the Margaret Dumont Graduate School of Moral Outrage, and journey deep into the Himalayas to learn the ancient discipline of Histrionic Yodeling. Not one of us is worthy, friends. And I will readily confess that I sat weeping tears of envy into my partially-eaten can of Joan-of-Arc Baked Beans when I grokked the sheer genius of Shannon’s razor-sharp riposte, those dagger-like little variety-packs of excoriating bon mots, such as, “Are you KIDDING ME right now?” “Are you SERIOUS?” and the devastating “I’m ENTITLED to feel my PAIN” which turns 1000 years of etymological history of the word entitled (from the Late Latin intitulare) upside down and inside out and rings its Anita Ward-shaped bell. I think we all need to get comfortable with the fact that we just can’t do What Shannon Does. As a post-script, I’m peeling off my blue stockings long enough to say that many people I know, including some I love to the moon and back, are wise, pragmatic and humble enough to “take medication”. If Shannon of B’dor, Patron Saint of the Home Shopping Network, wants to sneer with contempt that taking medication is for “goddamn mental cases”, she can instigate coition with herself AND the horse she rode in on.
This was perfection.
I think I love you.
Partridge Family song! Now I’ll be singing that for too long when I should be singing “You can ring my bell!” Love your comments Dalai Mama! Perfection!
I love this post, even though I had to look up the definition of viridescent!!
Mwaah!
I think I love you.
Who are you and will you adopt me??
Dalai Mama? Once again, I bow meekly before you – “instigate coition with herself”, and “Jello shots all lined up on a twin bed in a motel on Route 66” – just two examples of your brilliance. I would like to spend just 10 minutes inside your brain – it would be a humbling experience, but would no doubt leave me feeling like a squid in comparison.
I want to adopt you all, with the teeny proviso that you collectively appear at my mother’s house on Thanksgiving and stand in front of me. I am, as you suspect, devastatingly beautiful but I am also rather short, and with your assistance my direct presence will go undetected.
Giggling, I’m still pretty tall, not devistatingly beautiful so you you’d for certain be missed!
Where have you been? I’ve missed you colorful, erudite comments.
That is the most elaborate “go fuck yourself” I’ve ever read! *standing ovation*
I honestly can’t tell if that was genius or insanity. A bit of both, perhaps? But definitely hilarious!
I’ll bet David is watching this show and loving it. People are starting to see what he has had to deal with. People can make all the excuses they want for her but Shannon is acting the same way this season as she did her first season on the show, before David’s affair, before the divorce and before her menopause.
I found this episode very disturbing and not entertaining in the least. It does appear that Shannon is clinically depressed and the alcohol may initially bring her up but then becomes a depressant and brings out the manic in Shannon. This may be her wallowing in self pity with those late night telephone calls for help after she has been drinking . To confront her when she is wasted doesn’t accomplish anything and is difficult to watch. Adjustment disorders are a real diagnosis and are real. She had a very pampered life and now all these adjustments are just making her more anxious and confronting her on her behavior is just wrong. Hopefully, she is improving with this new relationship. Gina needs to butt out. She has no right to get in her face. Annoying.
Tamra is THE worst friend ever. I know Shannon can be a handful but Tamra is not loyal in any way shape or form. They discussed the rift, she supposedly accepted Shannon’s apology and in true Tamra fashion she decided to join in and talk about it to stir the pot and make sure the new girls hated Shannon even more. There is always an agenda with her and that is to make everyone else gang up on others.
Shannon is no innocent. She needs to stop being all about Shannon. It is annoying. I believe she is protecting herself but it is coming off very badly and mean girlish. Also, pick your friends more wisely.
Shame on Kelly for saying David must have been a saint all these years.He seemed to be abusive and continues to be in court. Kelly lost her mind when Michael started dating someone else but she sure wasn’t nice to him when she was married to him. He was a saint for putting up with her and her drunken behavior all these years. Her tongue is like a razor blade and she can be very malicious with her comments when she is drinking.
The only one who seemed to be decent and funny this time was Gina.
They all need to realize Shannon was the one who was dumped not the other way around like them. Her self esteem is really low. She is desperate for love and friendship
Shannon is hard work this season, I don’t think I could be friends with her.
Shannon should have just yelled that she was being nailed to the cross like Jesus.
Bwahhahahahah!
Shannon acted like a drunked up child, but she honestly seemed shocked. It’s not uncommon for the man to handle the finances in wealthy families when mom is with the kids and cooking and doing their activities. Do y’all remember how codependent that marriage was that she’d go to bed at 8:30 when David did. Very unhealthy!! I’m not sticking up for her behavior, I’m saying she was shocked and felt attacked. When you think you address and bury something with your bff and she’s telling everyone, it’s not cool. On ALL of the hw shows women run off or “take a break”, leave, catch a plane.all the time! They should’ve allowed her to have a break. It’s no secret this woman has zero self esteem. David fat shamed her, called her a whale. She didn’t even take a bathing suit or sleeveless to Jamaica. Obviously, she’s got issues. A group interaction like that will never work on someone like her *XL for her tummy. Doesn’t work on Tamara either as I recall!
Tamara has said TWICE she was impressed she was able to sit down and talk to Shannon without her getting upset. She didn’t have to do read Eddies message! Shannon will take that as Eddie hates me. Why don’t people say how they are feeling ? Tamara has totally flip flopped, by the way now! I think Shannon was speaking the truth, they don’t know the half of it. I’ve always somewhat believed Vicki. I think Shannon has been hiding an alleged abusive situation that continues. David even “broke up with Eddie” he’s such an ass. He’s abusive to her at every encounter and now she thinks her friends don’t want to listen.
I don’t agree with her reaction, but I think Gina wasn’t nice and if it wasn’t for Shannon what would this dumb season be about? I’m thinking it’s Kelly and Shannon from here on out. I like that!
Shannon did go in for therapy a couple of years ago. I know because we were in the same therapists office. Good for her. I have no idea what she learned about herself when she sought help. Tamara must be aware she was being treated at one time. To me that makes it more disgusting that her good friend Tamara went behind her back to attack her for not being a good enough friend. Part of the problem may be Shannons unwavering belief that natural products are the only way to treat overly emotional responses to all types of stimulation. Either way, Shannon would be better off not calling or contacting her good friend Tamara ever again. Tamara’s poison has no cure. Except avoidance.
I didn’t take the hint the first time my body shaming comment was deleted. So now, I am banned.
I think Vicki looks great for a woman in her 50’s. So what if she has saggy boobs. Who wants unnecessary surgery anyway?
First of all, weight shaming? Who should be weight shamed? They all look great. Why those idiots tried reasoning with Shannon while she was beyond any state of mind to reason with is beyond me. Leave her alone when she gets like that. I get they are concerned but that was not the time to try to perform an intervention. Is Shannon like many of the women in the OC? Well, not OC, but Newport Beach, yes. Shannon didn’t earn her own money so she has zero idea about it, or about bills, or living in rentals that are on the market. Since I live there, I speak from experience. My own neighbor, a mother of 3, was BAFFLED and IRATE that her mother refused to pay for her kids college education. The kids all drive high-end cars BTW, which were given to them. The sense of entitlement is astounding. I don’t have any friends like these women, so not all the women in OC are like this. However, in and around Newport Beach… yes, yes, yes. The Quiet Women is within walking distance from me (as is Kelly’s apartment) and it is exactly as they depict it. Nobody works, the women drink too much, they are loud and ballsy and undignified and arrogant and honestly, are not pretty. Not all, but the majority. I was out weeding and cleaning up my front garden area and driveway (which is on one of the busier streets, and not PCH BTW) and a group of them walked by and told me “Don’t you know that’s what Mexicans are for?” and started laughing. I was mortified. Not for myself cuz the more I don’t fit in with those idiots, the happier I am the more normal I know I have stayed but WHO SAYS THIS??? I ignored them. But that is their mentality. They don’t return shopping carts, they don’t care if the light just turned green – you better speed away from that stoplight. Newport and CDM (Corona del Mar – where Kelly lives) is a little enclave that is NOTHING like the real world. It’s fantasy land. My husband says it’s like a beautiful woman with the clap. So why do we live there? Well, we have had one residence in CA since the 80’s. First in LA and then in CDM since 2005. We like the weather and our friends (none of whom live in the area BTW) but we will probably sell the house if Newsom gets elected because the entire state of California is run by mentally ill. The PC is overwhelmingly stupid and irritating. The homeless situation is beyond repair. The crime rate is skyrocketing due to catch and release and yet, everyone has their heads in the sand wondering how they can get the next expensive item. It’s almost as depressing as walking into a casino in Vegas where you know 99% of the people cannot afford to be there and yet, their ego won’t let them live within their means. There is a saying in the area when you see someone with an expensive car (99% of them are leased BTW) with all the latest expensive bags, shoes, etc. that they are No Vims. No Visible Means of Support. It’s true. There are crackpots wherever you live, it just so happens that these crackpots are on RHOC and I have to tell you, nothing is exaggerated. What you see is EXACTLY how it is.
More later and thanks for all your blogs TT. You are great. Give Banjo a big hug for me!! And please, kill the damn spiders when you see them.
We lived in Laguna – I couldn’t raise my daughter there around the materialism, the weather isn’t all that;) Its ridiculous.
Thank you! That was a real eye-opener. So glad you haven’t bought into it.
I don’t think this falls under the body shaming category and if it does, edit away but Gina looks a lot like a thinner version of Brianna in that picture! Also, on the topic of bodies I couldn’t give a rats ass what size Shannon is. Its not her body that she needs to fix. Its her self worth.
Tamara, I totally agree with you! Spiced Rum is the devil! So good but so bad!!! I have a memory of having a drinking contest with my friend with a bottle of spiced rum. All I can tell you is I woke up in a completely white room, staring at a white light and thinking I was in Heaven! Come to find out I passed out in my friends bathroom! I haven’t touched the stuff since!
selling fish with fucking cream cheese in the middle………..pmslmao!
I couldn’t enjoy the attacks on Shannon as I’d have liked to, thanks to what a hypocritical POS friend Tamra. She ruins the whole show for me.
As your official Lady Sitter, let me assure you, you are nothing like Shannon Beador.
YAY! I’ve been quite well behaved lady when it comes to you. LOL.
In the second grade, we each got a ruler. Printed on the back was The Golden Rule. “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” Our teacher explained it to us; the “unto” was what confused 7-year-olds, not the meaning. These women, and LOTS of people seem to have forgotten, or maybe they never understood, that basic rule.
When someone is hurting, they are not at their best. As friends, USUALLY, a relationship is give and take. These women are mostly about taking. LISTENING to a friend when they are hurting is part of being a friend, not trying to “fix” them when you have a snootful of booze. If you don’t want them to call you 45 million times a day SET YOUR FUCKING BOUNDARIES! You don’t just keep “taking it” and talking about them behind their back and then blow up. Even if it has been excessive, they think it’s OK, then when you blow up, they feel BETRAYED because YOU let them go on, TAMRA JUDGE. And after you work something out, accept an apology, then backstab, TAMRA JUDGE, you are being a cunt. And NONE of these twats is a therapist! Heal thyselves bitches; by your “standards,” you ALL need therapy and/or medication.
They all do need therapy an medication. However most of them have been good friends to each other at various points. Shannon has ALWAYS been all about Shannon and her issues.
Thank you, TT. I want to add that the women didn’t know that Shannon was drinking tea glass size full of vodka until the next day when Vicki told them. We don’t say much about it but I think Shannon has a drinking problem, too. I guess she considers that “natural” and not medicinal. It’s not helping, Shannon.
Gina needs to grow up. This is a job. If you started a job in an established office, by odds, you would click with some people right away. Others would take a while to warm up to you, and with some … maybe you never would get along. Gina expecting Shannon to do what she would do and act how she would act is unrealistic. You cannot control Shanjon’s behavior, and that doesn’t mean that she should act like a passive-aggressive, pot-stirring C.
I think Gina just expects some civility. I agree with Shannon and you that maybe shes not exactly in the best place to be forging new friendships but they’re co-workers on a show about a supposed ‘friendship group’. I’d be nice to have a bit of interaction instead of a wall of ice.
Oi, why am I on moderation? And also, theres a wee red triangle on the website bar after I post on here. Is it something on my end or are you experiencing the dreaded pop ups again? :/
You’re in the middle place because you can’t be trusted to follow the commenting rules.
As for the wee red triangle, it’s a new feature. 🙂 It’s not a pop up, my site is doing some updates. Which is why I am too busy to baby sit you today.
I know so many people like Shannon. She is typical of the women her age around here. This area is known for both men and women being self-absorbed. It seems everyone here lives in their own little world.
Shannon has been exhausting since season one. I have never liked her. I thought Lydia calling Shannon out last season was what Shannon finally needed to hear. Shannon always seems to suck the air out of the room.