After last week’s reunion episode, the Internet went berserk in a Carole versus Bethenny war. Y’all have been arguing all week in comments here where you left over five hundred comments (and growing). So it is a really bad time for WordPress to be hiccuping and causing the ads to make commenting difficult for some. A reminder, if you use Chrome as your browser on this site, you won’t have any issues. The issues primarily occur on Safari browsers. It’s also unfortunate that I’m not in the best headspace lately, so while I promise to do the best I can, don’t expect greatness on this recap. Reunions are the worst to recap because there is so much important dialogue because it’s nothing but arguing. And tonight the Carole and Bethenny war will continue to escalate. We will begin to see how Carole came to be fired with a quickness. Also my best source who knows about departing housewives says Bethenny saying she is the only housewife who has quit RHONY was entirely correct. Let’s get to this episode.
We start with Dorinda saying she has taken steps to get her drinking in check. She sees a therapist every two weeks and talks to her mom. This all sounds fine and dandy until Andy asks about her drunken behavior in Cartagena and her attacks on Luann and she adamantly denies being drunk. While Bethenny and Sonja both say she was drunk, when Bethenny points out that Ramona called her out for being drunk at the time in Colombia. Now Ramona has amnesia because she’s on “the dream team.” Then we get a clip of Ramona telling Dorinda she’s had enough to drink. Apparently, they didn’t show the Ramona clip at that time because she says that she thinks it was rude of Luann to tell Dorinda she was drinking too much. I don’t see how anyone can be on the “dream team” side when the playbacks clearly show what went down and they all look like hypocrites.
Dorinda is in total denial. Nothing she says makes sense. Dorinda says she was very sensitive to Luann and she was Luann’s best friend out of everyone in the group. And yet here she is throwing her under the bus again. Dorinda then goes for Sonja saying she is drunk all the time. I think Dorinda is drunk now. Dorinda says Luann is like family to her.
On to the terrible thing Luann did by not inviting John. Bethenny points out that Carole made sure that Dorinda brought the situation up to Lu right before she went on stage and then Dorinda proceeded to heckle Luann during her performance by screaming out “Jovani” eleventy billion times during Lu’s show. like a drunken fool. Dorinda says that she hopes she and Luann will make up. That said I believe she is still saying crap on social media.
Side note. The judge in Luann’s Palm Beach case signed off on her plea deal today. You can read about the details of that here.
It’s time for the Tinsley and Scott segment. Tinsley looks deeply unhappy over the topic. They are on again off/off again and he dates other people. Last I heard they were off again. They only seem to be on again when he is filming for the show. He also does Coupon Cabin ads with Tinsley and Carole and sometimes Dorinda. He’s an opportunist and not interested in her. At the reunion she claimed they were back together. Tinsley thinks she will marry Scott.
I’m not a huge fan of the package about Luann and the discussion without her there, but it’s happening anyway. Bethenny said that she had been in close contact with Luann over her legal situation and she connected Luann to Dennis to help. What does Dennis have to do with helping with a legal situation? Andy brings up the lawsuit with her children. Dorinda asks if she has the feeling she can resolve the lawsuit with her kids. Bethenny says she can, she has spoken with Luann’s daughter. That said, that lawsuit was the straw that broke the camel’s back. Apparently, the reason that Lu got so drunk in Mexico last season was because Ramona told her a lot of things about Tom and Luann was worried that her daughter would find out.
Everyone knew she was drinking. Ramona says Lu was drunk in a bar with her three months ago. Bethenny and two of Luann’s friends held an intervention the Saturday before the reunion insisting she go to rehab. Luann calls them Charlies Angels they each had their own role in helping her get the help she needed. Bethenny was in charge of handling the Bravo in and the public statements, another researched the best rehab for her.
They all agree that Luann wants to be loved. She really loved being married to the Count. Everyone is very supportive of Luann. Ramona has no excuse for calling Tom trying to get an invite for her NYE party. Ramona says that her friend really wanted to go to the NYE party. Tom told her she wasn’t invited. Sonja was invited and didn’t go or respond.
Despite not all of the cabaret reviews being positive, everyone thinks Luann got a big head from the success of the cabaret. She thought her arrest made her more famous. Everyone seems to agree about Luann. Bethenny says Luann really wanted to be at the reunion and would want everyone to know that the situation with the family lawsuit will be rectified.
Time to get to the bottom of the Bethenny and Carole feud. Carole says her good friend in LA lost her husband and she spent most of the summer there. When she came back to NYC they went out to lunch. Bethenny says things felt very different to her because the previous summer they spent a lot of time together. Carole reminds her she was training for the marathon and ran a half marathon over the summer and had a lot going on. Bethenny says that she invited Carole to her house in Montauk for her birthday and she made he drop he off and pick her up and she was not invited in she had to wait outside when she went to pick her up. Carole says that she asked her friends to donate planes to Puerto Rico and did many supportive things. She says she has tons of texts about that. Bethenny says she would love to see them Carole says she can’t go through them all now.
Carole says she always shuts down negative comments people say to her about Bethenny. Bethenny says she does the same about Carole. Carole says she should have done the same when it came to Adam. Bethenny says she really thought they were done for good. She says when she found out they were still “having coffee, she retreated.”
Carole and Bethenny both read texts. It’s sad. They both seem to be trying to connect. At this point before taping started it’s like two hurt lovers who want to be back together. I’m not on either team at this point in their relationship. I’m rooting for both of them.
Then taping starts and we get both of then taking stabs at each other all season. Carole denies her role in that. And Carole was REALLY going in on Bethenny in her on her Bravo Blogs. I just got sick of purple penning them at some point. More of Carole’s Bethenny hate.
Bethenny wants examples of what she did to Carole during filming that was so bad. Carole says she was bullied. Bethenny asks for one example. Carole has to pull up her notes on her phone because she could not remember all of Bethenny’s bullying behavior. Carole comes up with Bethenny calling her “clingy” and Bethenny responds with “OMG, I called you clingy, are you going to be okay?” I agree not bullying, just and observation. Carole continues to say Bethenny is bullying her right now on the reunion. Nope. The bullies have been her and Dorinda and Ramona. Tinsley is very wisely staying out of this drama because she needs her check and she is not going to come after Bethenny.
Andy tries to move the segment on by telling Carole, “Okay so she called you a clingy girlfriend what else..” Carole says she called her unavailable. Bethenny is astounded as am I as to how this is bullying Carole. It is her perception of the friendship. She’s clingy and unavailable. I really don’t see how those two things go together. It was clearly based on two different events. Then she goes on to list other adjectives that Carole didn’t like. She says she is childless because her husband died. Even Bethenny didn’t go there, at least before the commercial break but Carole married her husband because he was dying of cancer so no they would not have had a kid.
Carole says that as far as she knows she and Bethenny have the same career. Really Carole? Are you now admitting that reality TV your career? Because it is not Bethenny’s she is the CEO of a multimillion dollar corporation. Carole is mad because Bethenny “age shamed” her by saying that she knows she wants to be forty-five but she needs to stop acting like a seven year old.
Bethenny lists some of the things Carole said about her sans notes. Bethenny is a narcissist (twice) the nutcracker situation was “a performance,” “this is a ‘narrative’ she creates, sociopaths do this,” and OMG this is toxic.
Carole says by the time she got to Cartagena she could not take it anymore. Bethenny wants to know why she was not a narcissist a year ago ( or in any of the years where she was paying for Carole’s vacations all the time–that’s me not Bethenny) how is she suddenly a narcissist this season? This is MY point and why I am team Bethenny. Carole had an entire wing up Bethenny’s ass for multiple seasons and was giggling right along with her when she came for everyone else on the cast. Which she did. And now suddenly Bethenny is mentally ill? No mam. You were vacationing on her dollar for multiple seasons. You were clinging to her status on the show like your life depended on it. And it did. So, by Carole!
Andy jumps in to read something for Carole’s nasty blogs,” In Bethenny’s myopic world, she’s the judge, jury and executioner, her narcissistic point of view doesn’t permit any dissenters she’s incapable of having a conversation where she isn’t in control of the entire narrative, hers and everyone else’s, regardless of the truth. She lies about us over and over and over until even we sometimes believe it. Bethenny should give a master class in gaslighting.” Carole keeps saying yes during his whole recitation.
Ramona squeals with glee like the pig she is. The Bethenny wants to know when Carole got her medical degree to diagnosis he with a mental illness. Carole seems unaware that narcissism is in fact a mental illness. Carole says no one needs a medical degree, they just need two eyes. Didn’t she have two eyes the last however many seasons? Did her eyes not work because she was lodged in Bethenny’s anal cavity?
Carole says that Bethenny was the one who said she didn’t have a career. Wow. Is that Carole’s real issue? As Bethenny points out Carole does not have a career. Or a boyfriend. Or a husband. Or a child. These are all facts. I don’t have a lot of those things either but I’m not mad about it. I’m retired and doing okay for myself. Financially I am a lot better off at this point except for the fact I can’t afford health insurance. Why is this such a touchy topic for Carole?
Lot’s of dramatic interchanges but Bethenny gets to the point. Let’s match our resumes in the CURRENT DECADE. Carole tries to pull the “female empowerment” card. Bethenny says if bashing someone every week on your blog is female empowerment… Carole interrupts.
Bethenny accuses Carole of bashing her every week on the show. Andy points out they bashed each other every week on the show then Carole denies bashing Bethenny.
Carole turns to Andy and says, (bleep) you’re full of shit Andy (/bleep). Bethenny is gleeful. I wish I had a shot of this moment when Bethenny realizes Carole is fired. Then Carole says to Andy, “Are you afraid of her too?” And at this moment Andy realizes Carole is done and says, “Yeah, I’m afraid of her.” If you weren’t watching you need to know he was pissed and not serious. Carole just Phaedra’d herself. It’s not often people get fired on the reunion, but Carole just did.