First of all the ladies really hit the mark with dresses this season. Every single one, even Carole got it right this season. Ramona starts directing the cameraman right away and insists that they switch couches because she has a very bruised left cheek. Is that from the car accident? Did someone knock her out? Will Andy address this? Then when everyone is forced to move, Ramona shouts for someone to get her water and her purse for her. I feel badly when I let the grocery bagger take my groceries out and there is a line. Ramona would probably ask the cashier to close down and come out and help load the car too.
Sonja starts off the product promotion right at the introduction. Her dress is Sonja By Sonja Morgan and $149 on her website. I wonder how much it is at Target? Dorina is in Jovanni. Right when Andy was telling the casuals that Luann is in rehab and can’t make it, Carole’s phone rings and she says “Oh, shit, sorry Andy.” And he will be pissy with her for the rest of the episode.
Bethenny says she is loving her new apartment. She and Bryn are very happy with it. Ramona has put her apartment on the market. Since her daughter moved out, it’s kind of lonely and too big for her. Andy asks Carole if she and Adam are still “doing coffee” and she says no they are just friends. Tinsley likes her new haircut. Dorinda has hired a trainer to train her four times a week. Sonja has figured out that oysters are not vegetables.
We get a look at their numerous fashion don’ts of the season. I’m bored by the Halloween costume discussion. Let’s move along, Andrew.
Dorinda goes to church with Lady Gaga’s mother? That’s the most interesting thing so far. I am missing Big Brother for this and could not even tape it because of Master Chef. AND IT’S THE ZINGBOT EPISODE!
Dorinda is already drunk and muttering during Bethenny’s package about supporting other women. Andy says he was really surprised that Bethenny went to Bobby Zarin’s Funeral. Ramona who is on the wrong couch whispers over to the other couch and says, “opportunistic.” Bethenny says she was in Aspen when she got the news and she decided she would probably regret not going if she didn’t go, so she did. She says at the funeral all the jokes about Bobby and Jill brought back old memories. She talked to Jill for a bit and then when she left she wanted to go back so she got out and talked to Jill again. She says since then they have been texting.
Ramona doesn’t even let her finish speaking before she is jumping down Bethenny’s throat about what was “bizarre.” She thinks it was terrible that Bethenny’s second interaction with Jill was filmed. Andy points out the Jill asked for the cameras to come. He also says he is glad that Bethenny filmed with Jill just LIKE JILL WANTED. Who funeral shames people for how they grieve with others? People who are butt hurt they didn’t get camera time at the funeral. Can we drink every time that Ramona says opportunistic? It’s like she has a new word. Sadly, I don’t have any wine tonight. Apparently, Ramona has been instructed that her part of the Bethenny Takedown Plan is to interrupt Bethenny with her own stories every time Bethenny is asked a question. Jill is dating someone who dated Ramona three times.
When they talk about Bethenny’s charity work she thanks all the ladies for their support and she appreciates that they all contributed whether they liked her or hated her. Then Carole, Dorinda and Ramona all start talking over each other about how they don’t hate her. Liars, all. And Carole tries several times to get someone to acknowledge that she was her biggest supporter.
Ramona says Bethenny is always saying nasty things about the other girls. Well, most of the time they deserve it. Production plays years of nasty things that Ramona has said and done to Bethenny. It’s appalling seeing them all together.
Andy moves on to the nutcracker story. Everyone is overtalking Bethenny. Andy finally says to Dorinda and Carole, “I want to hear her fucking answer and then you can respond!” Finally. Dorinda admits that Bethenny did thank her several times but it was all off camera. WTF? She has to be thanked on camera fo it to be valid? Bethenny asks Dorinda why it is all about her and not her daughter getting the present she wanted?
Bethenny is asked why she didn’t support Ramona’s skincare line. One good reason is it doesn’t exist but Bethenny says, since the beginning Ramona has had TruRenewal, True Faith, wine, hair extensions, a restaurant venture that never existed, Ramona and the girls lose there shit over the fake restaurant venture. It was TOTALLY FAKE. Bethenny says that Ramona is currently desperate to find a lab to whip up some product for the lastest one. It doesn’t exist. She says Ramona has been criticizing Sonja for he fake businesses for years. All the bitches lose their minds because Bethenny has talked about Sonja’s fake businesses for years. You remember, with her BFFs Carole and Dorinda. Bethenny says that now Sonja has actual product (well sort of) and she speaks at women’s conferences and she thinks it is a disservice to pretend on the show that it’s just so easy to start a business. I agree. Ramona is screaming like a banshee and she literally put her hands on Sonja’s mouth to keep her from speaking. I would have broken her arm for that just as a natural reflex.
This is totally the Ramona show. She refuses to shut up. Remind me to get wine for the rest of these recaps. I think they make more sense after a few bottles of wine.
Speaking of drunk, we get a Dorinda montage. Dorinda watching from the stage is grinning from ear to ear. That is the part I don’t get. How does this not embarrass her? Dorinda talks about Bethenny saying she’s a drunk. Andy wants Bethenny to answer about whether or not she this Dorinda has a drinking problem and Dorinda says things like “you better watch yourself.” Bethenny says that she has already been through one intervention this weekend (with Luann) and it’s not her place to do another one here.
Bethenny admits she has called Dorinda out on her drinking the most this season and she tried to do it in a constructive manner. Carole says calling someone a drunk is not constructive. Bethenny says neither is calling someone a narcissist but Carole has done it to her all season behind her back and in her hate-filled blogs. Carole says she calls it like she sees it. Bethenny says so does she. Andy starts telling Dorinda how funny her alcoholism was on the boat with Luann when she couldn’t even speak. Dorinda laughs and nudges Carole and says she brings the entertainment. Finally, Bethenny has to point out that this is not a laughing matter. Andy says there are times like in Mexico where she got drunk and stabbed herself in the hand and in Puerto Rico at the business meeting where it’s not funny. Andy ask a soft shoe question to Dorinda wondering if she has a relationship with alcohol that sometimes unhealthy. She laughs and laughs and says that she does absolutely. She can’t hold her liquor. Ramona tells her she has two drinks and she is slurring her words. Carole blames it on her big tongue. This is delusional. We see how much she drinks on camera after predrinking before she gets there. Now she is saying she was depressed. Bethenny and Sonja talk about her drinking in the morning. We saw that in Colombia. She is denying it.
Dorinda goes on to say that Bethenny says mean things about her in her confessional. Bethenny says snarky things. Yes. But Dorinda and Ramona and Carole or vicious. Andy asks more pointedly this time, “So you don’t think you have a problem with alcohol?”
And that is where it ends. I don’t think Tinsley said three words and was almost never on camera.
Next time, Dorinda claims she was not drunk in Colombia when she attacked Luann! All the girls knew that Luann was drinking. Tinsley speaks. The Carole and Bethenny war begins in earnest.
Is Carol’s new career bashing Bethenny? Or maybe kissing Dorinda’s ass?
Carol:bitch!
Andy was having a hard time controlling them all talking over each other and interrupting to get at Bethenny. It was bad. It made Bethenny look better. I saw on the preview Carole saw “f;&?, Andy come on,”. I don’t think anyone’s every cussed Andy. I may believe the firing story! ? He looked livivd!
The main thing to me was Ramonas convo with Carol on the phone nonstop talking about Bethenny. Then later, Carols ONLY legit complaint to B was about “Asking if Carol was ok/not initiating a conversation, not wanting to talk about her, just “Is Carol ok, she seems sad”. Carol sad friends don’t do that ESPECIALLY TO RAMONA & she’d been talking crap with Ramona constantly
One thing you can’t deny, Bethenny is cool under fire. I wish Lu would’ve been there or something. That was a free for all over ridiculous nonsense. Others are saying Dorinda showed film of her husbands funeral and the spreading of those ashes and they want to pick apart Jill talking to Bethenny on the sidewalk. Hypocrites. I’d hesitate about coming back too. Tainted cast
Great point! I forgot about Dorinda’s scattering of the ashes! And she basically engages in her constant widow talk non-stop ON CAMERA. They were all gleefully spinning their falsehoods to try to take Bethenny down. Dorinda and Ramona should leave along with Carol.
I agree that they should leave with Carol. They are nasty, bitter hags who have nothing to bring the show.
Ramona and her remodeling is a yawn fest and that’s all she has.
Dorinda is so pickled 100% of the time and has no reality thinking her drunken behavior s entertaining.
She is the one who really needs rehab.
I totally agree!! If you have a problem with Bethenny, handle it with her. I don’t like women who gang up on other women. They’re pussies. Dorinda’s drunken behavior was appalling, Carole found her voice, which is bitchy and Ramona is so jealous she sides with anyone who bashes Bethenny.
All three show no class. Jill dating a hot minute after Bobby dies and asks for cameras at his funeral? Some love huh? Dorinda dates 6 months after the love of her life dies and Bethany wouldn’t know love if it hit her right on her inflated ego.
I don’t think any of that points out these women didn’t love thier husbands. It would be a hard sell Jill didn’t love Bobby. Fame where yes but she loved him. Never saw Dorina with husband. Bethany loved Jason. He’s a horrible nasty man to divorce. That’s not her fault
*whore
She loved what he gave her. She went to a matchmaker specifically for looking for a jewish millionaire. She was such a taker. He gave and gave and gave and she was so needy and whiny. What did she ever do for HIM except spend his money? Sorry, but someone that dates 6 months after a husbands funeral is just looking for the next paycheck.
Again, you think you know so much about people. Enough where you feel really comfortable talking about a widow and how she grieves. Jill has given interviews about Bobby DURING HIS VERY LONG ILLNESS and how he has told her exactly what he wants her to do when he passes. The overall theme was to be happy and find love. Bobby was terminally ill for a very long time. They essentially grieved his death together for months. He encouraged her to continue to throw her charity events and go out to lunch with girlfriends and not spend all of her time at the hospital. ”
Your comments about things you don’t know shit about are vile and unnecessary. And this is coming from someone who posted one of my very first blogs about meeting Jill and what a self absorbed twat she was.
She built a life with the man, raised a child with him and cared for him through his battle with cancer. Jill has many faults but her relationship with Bobby wasn’t one of those.
Wow, unlesss you have personally been through loosing a spouse, you have no clue the emotions involved.
As to Jill’s love for her husband. Anyone with eyes could see the love they had for each other. Also , Jill also worked for what they had.
BTW, I have never been nor am I now fan of Jill. But I know the loss of a husband.
I beg to differ-Jason was not a horrible man, until Bethenny wouldn’t settle the divorce because she didn’t want him to get a penny and tried and is trying to take Brynn away from him We all know who is horrible!
Jason willingly signed a pre-nup. They were married less than 2 years. He falsified legal documents giving himself half of Bethenny’s money. Not a penny did he deserve from her. There has not been enough information provided to the public to make an informed opinion about who is being horrible in the custody fight.
Right-o. Further, Andy’s head always up Bethenny’s arse is annoying. Friends off camera or not, annoying. Don’t care if Jill invited it, waiting for her to film that dopey scene with Bethenny outside of her husband’s funeral so that Andy could “see it” is morbid. Then, looking at the previews next week, looks like the B gets out of her seat to put shit (a phone?) in Carole’s face, and Andy appears to think it’s funny as hell. Smirking idiot. Did it end on a funny note when Kenya put shit in Porsha’s face? Funny when Teresa got out of her seat and tossed Andy like a ragdoll? He’s such a teenage girl when it comes to Bethenny. How ’bout insist they keep their butts in their seats or invite them to leave. Even if it’s your bestie.
Where did SuzyJane come from? She is my new favorite commenter!
Tamara, Ha! Check with Ava Mariella, apparently she knows it all.
Jayla, why do you say that Bethenny is Andy’s favorite and they are friends off camera? He has said for years that the only housewife he has to his parties is CAROLE. He says he was torn on doing it since he had a “No housewives” rule but since Carole had been coming for years before she became a housewife, and they were friends for years before she was a housewife, he kept inviting her.
Carole is his real-life friend, not Bethenny.
Oh B was cool as a cucumber and Held her own, she was Awesome. Love how Ramona is eating this Carole/Bethany feud up she wud never ever been this vocal in the past with Bethany but u cud clearly see where Andys loyalty lies ?
It drove them insane – they talked over her so much because they know down deep how bad it reveals them to be – bitter mean girls who only have petty shit to complain about.
Carole and Dorinda claim to be dedicated Democrats. They really give Dems a “bad name.” Wealthy, holier than thou, schmoozing with the “high level” politicians. So insulated and out of touch. And I’m a Dem! I cringe.
Nine times out of ten I see Bethenny as a liar and a hypocrite. She remains that way tonight but she did conduct herself well with everyone coming at her. Who knows, maybe she could be likeable.
#hicarol….. Bethany constantly brings the receipts and ….. successful women are tired of apologizing for it…..ake your hate somewhere else
What did I say that could be deemed as hate?
You didn’t say anything hateful, You just don’t have the same opinion as someone else so that makes you hateful. Very grown up isn’t it?
And #hicarol-how original. But hasn’t that jumped the shark with #hijason
It’s so tiring, isn’t it?
Thank You! I was seriously wondering what hateful thing I could have said.
This is like that one other blog where you can’t disagree with the general opinion or you get nailed for it…. inrarwly comment here but like to see different opinions on different blogs to get differing perspectives
I definitely enjoy different perspectives.
I agree with you about Bethany.
^This.
Wrong reply spot…it’s meant for Wtf, Spot on!
I’ve said it a million times. I’d like to see a recast with just as successful women as Bethenny. I think she would be more fun to watch if she didn’t have all the power.
This!
Yes!! I hate that production enables her bad behavior. Other reality stars people watch the show back and can see how crazy they were acting or how poorly they treated other castmates. They evolve. But woth Bethany the editing makes her look good, And kisses her butt and her castmates are always made to look like they were the wrong ones. No matter how manipulative or demeaning Bethany is on RHONY she can do no wrong. Its the Michael Jackson syndrome and its not doing Bethany any favors. I like when people grow on the show. It keeps the show from getting stuck in a stale routine ie; I am the smartest and most successful and I make fun of everyone else’s character flaws, and everyone worships me for telling themthe truth.
I don’t see Bethenny like that at all.
@Calipattisays….
Me either…… I don’t get the hate.
Me either, Bethenny has definitely shown her ass before and had to pay for it. She’s lashed out and looked foolish/overemotional and gotten heat over it, for sure, the difference is that is the MINORITY of the time for her. going through a grueling several years long divorce, having been on her own most of her life an running a business in a man’s world, these women don’t scare her. Their bs is a nuisance at best.
Nobody paints her to be perfect, but she is resilient as hell.
If other cast mates see how badly they act on camera, why the hell does Ramona still act like a selfish, self entitled, spiteful bitch year after year?
Ramona acts like a selfish, selff entitled, spiteful bitch year after year because she is one.
I agree. Bethenny has good and bad. Sometimes I like her and sometimes I don’t. No different than anyone else. Yes, she lies and yes she is hypocritical. It’s just who she is. I just don’t like the double standards.
Nailed it
Kristen I agree with you…we’re in the minority here.
I’m with the two of you. I don’t hate Bethenny, I WANT to like her, but she makes it almost impossible. With that being said, I thought that stupid hag Ramona was being very ‘opportunistic” by bringing up why Bethenny went to Bobby’s funeral and the others just piling on her and accusing her of wanting more screen time. Truly disgusting, all of them.
I truly don’t understand why people think that B is getting a ‘good’ edit. Maybe I’m watching a different show?!?!? She NEVER EVER lets any comment, good OR bad, go without one of her ‘humorous’ comebacks. It’s true that she’s the first one to react to whatEVER anybody else says or does, but if any of the other cast, whether warranted or not, reacts, HERE COMES BETHENNY TO SET YOU STRAIGHT!!!
She is the most financially successful, she seems like the smartest…but she’s NOT
always right!! It shouldn’t be ‘my way or the highway’ but production lets her get away with it and makes the other cast menbers look “bad” for just having an honest reaction or having a different opinion.
Again, I really want to like B, but it’s getting almost impossible to watch her without getting angry/sad etc.
Hope we can all still be friends!
That’s exactly how I feel. I was so excited when she came back because I didn’t watch before and I’d heard good things. Sigh.
Phew thanks Joan. I was getting lonely! ?
Honestly, I agree with this but not for the same reasons. I don’t see her as thinking she is the smartest or most successful but constantly facing women who think it is easy (I don’t think Sonja thinks that anymore) or are jealous. (I think the Countess has no desires to be the entrepreneur that B is, but she’s a snob and B’s delivery is often not very elegant).
I think that if they were all Bethennys, Heathers, Kandis (tremendous success in music), Lisa VP (she at least has longevity in the restaurant world) and then MAYBE a Sonja who is genuinely happy for everyone but keeps dipping her toes in weird places (ha… but damn those shoes were cute) it would be great.
there is an unevenness to this reunion b/c the ONE other person who had some real life events and consequences was gone. Bethenny brought the deep, real life shit with This Is a Crisis/BStrong, her finally getting a new apartment she is happy with, the custody battle, and the ending of a restraining order. What did the rest of them have? One ran a marathon, one was a repeated mean drunk but refuses to admit it, Ramona did jack shit, and one cried over her frozen eggs in a wedding dress when she isn’t engaged.
Erica, very well said. I never thought about the group being this uneven.
Carole Ramona and Dorinda really did want to bring Bethenny down. Ramona does have something wrong with her.
And it’s not just Ramona’s crazy eyes.
I agree. I don’t mind Tinsley’s fake stories so much because she’s outwardly frivolous (she doesn’t act like her life is that deep). I do think Sonja needs to go with the rest of them.
I’m not the biggest Bethenny fan, but she does make for compelling television. And I do think she would come across less aggressive with other successful women. NY has become one of the worst franchises in my opinion, and it has been for a while. They rely too heavily on Bethenny to save the show, but the best franchises rely on the dynamics of a strong ensemble.
I don’t mind Tinsley as much either – she is kind of harmless, like Sonja.
And her crying in the wedding dress over the picture of her unfertilized eggs… that was fucking comedy gold. You can’t write that shit.
Quote: “Bethenny brought the deep, real life shit with This Is a Crisis/BStrong, her finally getting a new apartment she is happy with, the custody battle, and the ending of a restraining order. What did the rest of them have? One ran a marathon, one was a repeated mean drunk but refuses to admit it, Ramona did jack shit, and one cried over her frozen eggs in a wedding dress when she isn’t engaged.”
Best season summary!
Thanks!
I forgot Sonja – she seems to have moved on more from the bankruptcy/divorce and is moving forward, drinking less, and still keeping on with her live and let live philosophy. Oh, and while most of her shit is from Target, I do think she designed some really cute shoes!
Lol. Very Good points.
I agree, except Bethenny and Sonja, the others are bitter af and straight venomous creatures. Ramona never misses an opportunity to kick dirt in anyone’s face that she thinks is enjoying life more than she enjoys her ignorant ass own life. Dorinda thinks that her shit doesn’t stink and she’s some sort of paragon of grace, hospitality and worldliness while could outdrink an d out curse a bonafide hillbilly. Tinsley is vapid and clinging to that ditzy Lolita act WAY too closely for a forty-something year old woman. Carole’s got a mean streak uglier than her roughly hewn features.. Glad she’s decided to sink back into the wallpaper, I’m sure as hell sick of her wearing dresses that look as if were fashioned from it.
One WALKED a marathon. (Which is more than I could do, but I am not on TV demanding everyone bow down,)
Thank you! This has been bothering me all season. Carole said she ran 6 miles and walked the rest. She did NOT run a marathon. Granted, running that much and walking that far is also no easy feat, but her expectation to have the world fall at her feet with awe is annoying. I think it’s her misrepresentation that she ran the whole thing that annoys me. I completed a half marathon where I ran 7 miles and walked the last 6 but I do not go bragging that I “ran” a half marathon. To me I failed in my goal (but I also didn’t put in enough training). So maybe I’m projecting but Carole’s over the top celebration just rubbed me the wrong way. Especially when people train hard to actually accomplish running 21.6 miles. Maybe if she had run at least 13 miles I could be down with her pride. Yes, I’m judging and I don’t care.
? “walked”
Successful women work long hours. There are literally hundreds of thousands of them in New York. They also are mature adults. Successful ature adults donb’t go on reality shows. When Bethenny got on, she was broke, and its part of her so-called brand to be like this now. Besides, she is successful, but neither mature nor adult.
THIS^. I’m good friends with about 7 of them. They make huge bucks and wouldn’t be caught dead on the show. The only women who do this are ones that want to be famous AND rich. Dorinda, Sonya, Tinsley, and Luann need the income. Bethany likes the fame.
That’s how I see her too. She likes the camera. That’s why we used to get three bikini pictures of her every week.
Great idea!
I adore her. I really do. Come on over to the dark side. 🙂
Narcissists usually make everyone look nuts around them once they catch on. Poise can be a good offense.
By the way- I was a HUGE B fan. I still like her but it’s hard to deny her narc tendencies
So true. Carol was dead on in her blogs, even though they were so harsh.
I feel like Bethenny has some valid reasons to feel pretty good about herself. She is also very self deprecating. So no, I wouldn’t say I personally think she is a narcissist.
The criteria for being considered a narcissist involves an inflation of one’s idea of themself. Now Ramona….. the maven, fits the definition a little better.
Yup. Ramona and Vicki are spot on narcissists.
Other franchises?
Teresa/ Danielle
Nene
Karen
Dorit
LeeAnn
?I wouldn’t classify those as spot on, but definitely on the spectrum.
BUt why can’t Bethenny sustain ANY personal relationships? At least Ramona has a large circle of long-time friends.
I think too much is made of Bethenny’s lack of a large friendship circle. My husband is a kind, funny, generous man. When we meet he had a large circle of friends and was out often with them. We married, he started his own business, and then we started having children. Now he only has a couple of really close friends. Over the year’s he made the decision (the right one IMHO) to spend the majority of his spare time with his family. He doesn’t have the time, or choose to spend the time, going to long lunches, meeting friends for after work drinks, or meeting up at the bars on weekends. Early in his business he was working 10 to 12 hours days, including weekends, fortunately now he doesn’t have to. As a consequence, he is far more successful than many of those old friends and has a well-grounded loving family. But, no, he doesn’t have a lot of close friends.
For a woman who has only nice and loving things to say here why were you so nasty replying to my post? Is this how you talk at home to this wonderful and loving husband? I only stated my opinion and I didn’t curse or say anything other than my opinion of the show. What is up with you?
Just because Ramona says she has a large group of friends, doesn’t mean she has sincere friends. The people on tv could just be associates gathered over the years who don’t mind a little camera time. From my couch, I can’t tell who really has a group of solid friendships.
Didn’t Sonja say something about Ramona’s groups of friends being hired for the camera? Did I hear that correctly?
So true. One can have lots of friends, but it is more important to have good friends. The old quote about a friend is: A friend will help you move, a good friend will help you move a body. Just saying.
Ramona’s friends are the kind of girl who will show up to a party and hit on their ex in front of their new wife who happens to be friends with your friend, on camera (Missy).
We only know that Ramona has so many friends because she constantly tells us she does.
She has social acquaintances I am sure – she can pack a room for function, but they ALL could do that in the social circles they run in. LuAnn certainly could as well.
But c’mon, do you think Ramona has friends, say from childhood or college? I don’t have 30 close friends as Ramona implies she does (although I could fill a room with people I network with through work and my volunteering). I do have two ride or die friends who would be my go to phone call at 3 AM if I needed help. And you know what? We don’t live in the same town and if I were to do something like this initially to promote my new business ideas, I doubt at least one of them would come near me when the cameras were on.
They all mention that in the off season they spend time with friends not on the show. Why is B any different? Oh wait.. because that wouldn’t fit Ramona (and now Carole and Dorinda’s) nasty narrative.
However – if I had one phone call to make after I was in an accident or had some other emergency, and it had to be to one of the NYHW past or present, I’d call Bethenny first and then maybe Jill. (maybe that is why I am still sad that Jill did what she did…)
That is not accurate. Narcissists have very very fragile delicate egos. Thats why the tiniest slight is exaggerated so much for them. They make themselves superior to compensate for feeling inferior.
one of the primary traits of a narcissist is someone who is incapable of empathy as well as an overinflated sense of entitlement. I don’t know why everyone is just throwing around the term like it means “self importance” or “preoccupation with self”. No. For example, our president is a classic example of a narcissist, strikingly typical, not bethenny. What did she feel entitled to? she clawed her way to where she is and worked for every bit of it. Nothing was handed to her because she felt “entitled” to it.
I think you can call Bethenny many things, but incapable of empathy is not one of them. Narcissists don’t often lose sleep at night over the plight of strangers suffering through domestic violence or natural disasters abroad, nevermind organizing tens of millions of dollars of aid through their own charity to help them. THEY REALLY don’t put on some old boots and jeans and go trudging around through the mountains of PR , floods of texas, guatemala, and earthquake riddled mexico to distribute aid to people living in disaster and debris.
they couldn’t give two shits. that’s a narcissist. people should stop misusing the term.
Well said.
Shaw, yes!
applause!!!!
I agree. Andy was shameful in his taking up for Bethenny tonight. He is suppose to be impartial, but he showed his true colors. I’m glad Carol chastises him in next weeks’ episode. I saw that Bethenny may not be coming back next season and I welcome her departure. I love Carol and am sorry she has left, but I’m glad she checked Bethenny before she left. Bout time somebody puts her in her place. She is truly a product of her parents.
Narcassists are more nuanced and covert, than these descriptions. They are very skilled at hiding their true self, behind a well contrived social mask. Often, they will go out of their way to appear ultrustic, and the person who just cant do enough for you. They have to create a cover, for their clandestine betrayls and treachery behind the scenes. They often have a whole pack of people, willing to back them. The average person is often totally charmed and fooled by them.
I realize it is more nuanced, which is why I said one of the main hallmarks of a narcissist is the above, but if you’re saying they’re great at hiding their true selves behind a well-contrived social mask, then bethenny DEFINITELY isn’t one. Her emotions, for better or worse, are out there front and center. Her heart is on her sleeve. The crying, the breakdowns, the outbursts, the anxiety, those are not sounding very contrived or masked to me.
I don’t think her altruism is fake at all, I think it’s obvious she genuinely cares about these causes. She gives of herself, her time, her money and her energy, it is genuine.
Im not saying Bethany is or isnt a narcassist. I dont know her and dont care. I was only saying, things arent allways as they appear with personality disordered people. Narcassists can appear quite normal, show emotions, and will go out of their way to do good works. They crave admiration and adulation. What they also do though, is back stab, betray people, and play dirty games with peoples lives, and are toxic. They tend to blow thru people, but usually also collect people to back them up, when you catch on. I do agree, that Bethany is at her best, when comforting people emotionally. Shes good at getting to the heart of things, when not being mean herself. All Im saying, is it isnt easy to see who is a narcassist from afar. Most of us dont know what to look for, until youve allready been groomed and targeted by one before. Then you recieve a crash course on it. And, still it pays to never get too convinced you know all there is to know about someone, because they seem nice.
None of these Housewives has full blown Narcissistic Personality Disorder (except Theresa Guidici, I wonder about her)
Some of the castmates do have traits. With Bethany its more like she can be self-centered. I imagine she can really control a conversation with friends. It might be hard to steer the conservsation towards you. She may give a lot materially and even care about you immensely, but if all your doing is listening how good does that feel? Also, if you decide to take some distance and she goes on national TV and criticizes you as a punishment, how good a friend is she?
Narcissists just like “normals” can be dumb as a box of rocks and as subtle as a bull in an antique shop.
It’s amusing to me that the Carole fans believe that Bethenny is not coming back next season. That’s that shitcast’s target audience. People who fall for anything.
I find it amusing that Carole’s fan thinks she has a psychology degree.
What’s your deal with C? Did she not want to be your Unfriendly you on Facebook or Unfollow you on Twitter? I really don’t understand the rabid vitriol Carole inspires in you. She can’t physically or logically be both milktoast and tempest.
That commenter reminds me of folks with borderline and narcissistic personality disorder and there classic black and white thinking. If you disagree with them, they hate you. If you worship them, they love you.
Who ever said Andy has to be impartial or neutral? He is the EP and can do whatever he wants. I was happy he stepped in a time or two because it bordered on ridiculous with the chorus of Harpies screaming at Bethenny for every single thing. Let the woman finish a sentece. Contrary to moron maven Ramona’s assertions no one any longer cares what she thinks about any subject.
Carole is coming off horrible in this.
I think it is pretty obvious Carole, Dorinda, and Ramona got together before the reunion to rehearse how they would take Bethenny down.
It’s not working.
Andy has clearly picked Bethenny’s side in this war.
I wonder what this means for next season?
I don’t think that Andy ‘took Betenny’s side” . He just wanted to actually hear her answer to a question that the trio wouldn’t let her answer…….ever.
Rewatch the reunion. Andy Cohen is team Bethenny.
I just did and I agree with Lynn.
Bethenny was very much flying solo, and they wouldn’t let her get a word in edgewise until he started saying something. She even was trying to thank them profusely about how they all stepped up with her B Strong work, and they jumped on her shit there.
Did you catch Carole’s “I was the biggest donor”. Um, bullshit. She wasn’t even the biggest donor in the room. I think that goes to Andy or Tinsley (both who have more money than Carole, I suspect)
Andy was one of the people who donated a plane.
Yup! I doubt Carole has those kinds of bucks. Tinsley might not – but Scott does or she can afford to donate a larger chunk of her HW earnings b/c she isn’t spending it on anything else.
I think Andy even then called some of his friends to donate, or offer up their planes. He has a large address book filled with people who could easily have their own planes, etc.!
This is also an issue I have. I couldn’t stand when Andy would take Phaedra’s side over Kenya, so I can’t stand by him taking Bethenny’s over Carole’s out of principle. He needs to find a way to appear neutral or give up the gig.
We saw the season. Carole came early and often for Bethenny. Tonight when she said, “I got your back. I got your back.” That was Carole til the end. How would you defend her actions? I don’t think Andy is different from me tonight. She is more on fire to destroy Bethenny than all the season’s episodes combined. So how would you defend Carole? What should Andy say?
So you’d be okay with a ‘friend” calling you old, thirsty, delusional oh and I forgot, too old for a young guy to truly be interested in her? Did everyone forget the mean jabs Bethany threw at Carole all season?
Thats not a friend who would speak to you that way. Thats very much a narcassist type of friend though, which is worse than an enemy. Thats the bait and switch, where they groom you and seduce you, by acting the part of a good friend, and then alternating it with well targeted emotional abuse. Designed to hit you where it hurts you the most. Why would someone want to say those things to someone? What purpose does that serve? Youve got to question the motive behind that.
You all are throwing out the word narcissist without understanding it’s meaning. People started throwing it out so casually a few years ago. It’s a serious diagnosis. Read up on it. There’s a really looong list of criteria that someone must meet in order to be diagnosed with narcissism. People often will exhibit certain traits of a narcissist but not full blown narcissism.
I dont use the term narcassist casually, except maybe to snark a bit. I know all too well what it means. Its also not that uncommon.
When exactly did she say that?
Social media has sure said that – but specifically when did Bethenny EVER say Carole was “thirsty” or “delusional” or a dried up old woman that Adam couldn’t possibly be interested in?
I am not a fan of Carol. However, in the first episode Bethanny came for Carol right away with some snide comments. Carole talked about the marathon. Carol’s talking head insults didn’t appear until the fight appeared. Bethanny did lots of spoken bashing in her talking heads and Carol’s did lots of written bashing in her blogs. Overall, they both acted horribly. If the friendship ends, it ends. I can’t imagine going this crazy over a broken relationship.
Andy’s role is to cause drama, not to be an objective journalist. He’s doing his job.
It’s not his job to be neutral.
Agree 100%. When Andy grills a site favourite i.e. Kenya there’s uproar, the commentors want him to remain neutral and there’s always a few calls for him to be fired for his favouritism. Now he’s taken the side of someone they actually like, his job has suddenly changed to cause drama and pick sides in their petty squabbles. Lol!
HA HA HA GREAT POINT!
It’s nice Andy has Bethennys back.
Carole diFalco has one claim to fame. For six years she was married to a Kennedy cousin. That’s it. Her only book that sold was one about the Kennedys. She was a producer, yes — among about 30 other producers. That’s no prestige position in media, but it got her to meeting some people who did things, so she feels importance by association.
The way you can tell she was fired is because she was making about $50K a year and living in a shabby apartment before the show, and then making around $250-350K on the show. No way, no way, she walked away from that income. She was never a successful writer, ever. So she;’s back in the dumps again but at least she got some new furniture.
I am no longer a fan of Carole due to this season, but this is inaccurate. Her memoir re: her husband was on the NYT best seller list and was reviewed well by the Times, her first novel was sold for several hundreds of thousands of dollars in 2014, and while she was producing/covering wars in the middle east, she won 3 emmys and a peabody for that material. Now whether she shared that work with others is irrelevant, you are on a team producing award-winning content. That is an accomplishment all team members share.
I also highly doubt she was living in a “shabby” apartment. Her nyc apartment is not and to my knowledge she owns a home on the west coast too.
again, I basically hate her , but I just don’t find what you said to be true at all.
I’m having a hard time agreeing with Shae b/c I despise Carol. But Shae is right and we simply can’t deny that Carol has had a successful career in journalism and as an author. It doesn’t excuse her behavior on the show or her haughty attitude. The Carol I see on TV is a vile person but I doubt she’ll be in the dumps or that she was ever in the dumps.
Excellent points, Shae, although like others I too have to add the even-though-I-really-hate-Carole disclaimer. Apropos of just about nothing, I just wanted to throw some bestseller list earnings info out there, since Alexa included it in her original post. If Carole also got, say, a $200,000 advance for her first book, she would have gotten all that money up front, minus a 15% agents commission, leaving her with $170,000. Then she’s got to pay income tax and self-employment tax, so I don’t know, maybe she’s left with $145,000 in the bank. To stay on the bestseller list for 20 weeks as she did, she’d have to sell at least 5,000 hardcover copies a week, Selling at that rate for 20 weeks would mean a total of 100,000 sales. BUT, she and her agent have already pocketed the $200,000 advance, so she will not receive more royalties until the book “earns out”, meaning earns back the $200,000 advance and then keeps earning. If her book was priced at $20 in hardcover, she would have received a royalty of about $2 per copy sold at full price. That means she could not earn any royalties on the book until about 100,000 hardcover full-price copies were sold, which happens to be just about how many books likely sold on her 20 weeks on the bestseller list. After that, sales fall off and usually peter out within the balance of the first six-month selling period. So in spite of the success, Carole likely didn’t see big bucks from her first book once she’d pocketed her advance. Her novel (to my knowledge) never hit the bestseller list, so the “high six-figure advance” that wikipedia says she got might very likely still be in unearned status. Carole’s publisher also would have deducted a “reserve for returns” from her royalties, since books are sold to bookstores on a fully returnable basis. NYTimes bestellers are calculated on sales to bookstores, not bookstore sales to consumers. If bookstores across the country order a total of 12,000 copies of a book before the pub date, the book automatically goes on the bestseller list. If only 6,000 copies sell, and 6000 are returned, the book will be a “bestseller” for a week or two, then disappear from the list, and $12,000 worth of initial earnings suddenly become negative $12,000. So publishers withhold a chunk of money to cover the projected return. TLDR: It’s very hard to make money as an author. With a big advance and bestseller, you have a windfall the year you sign the contract. Often, you don’t see significant earnings past that year. Most books never fully earn back their advances. I bet you dollars to doughnuts Carole’s second book has not earned out, and is generating her no income. I had it ingrained in me from the get-go to NEVER count on a penny of royalties. I make my money from advances, and that’s how I budget. When books do earn out and royalties arrive, I call it “free money” and buy ridiculous things like vintage 1977 plastic Star Trek cups with it.
Thank you for these great details!
Gentle subject,
Did you not receive the email from Kim Jong Un granting you permission to post your website?
The Dictatorship.
Oh Shining Star of Paektu Mountain, you are generous and wise and fancy. My website is http://www.codykimmel.com. I don’t have one for my ghostwriting, because I am invisible, a phantom, a pinprick of ectoplasm on the wallpaper.
YAY! WE should post it again later as well, this is a ginormous thread.
lmfao @ star trek cups . You are a gem dalaimama, I love your posts!
I read Carole’s net worth is $50 million. She is wealthy.
I read that my net worth is $50 Billlion. I am wealthy.
I totally agree with your assessment of Carol’s accomplishments. I also believe that her book sales may have increased as a result of her association with RHONY. That she was able to write anything at all is astonishing. She wrote some idiot column for Cosmo on running the marathon as if she has anything in common with the Cosmo demographic which is 18 – 35. Now that she is off RHONY, Cosmo will drop her like a hot potato. Of course that is supposing that she would ever be able to write a column and submit it before the deadline. Even her purported cookbook with Adam never got off the ground. She is a bit of a fraud and I am sure that Lee Radziwill was happy to see the back of her as it delights so many viewers of RHONY.
Lee Radziwill is no prize, known as a gold digger with an overflated sense of entitlement. She’s known for not paying her bills and borrowing clothes from designers. Her sister cut her out of her will because she supported her to a great extent while she was alive. (Jackie did establish trusts for Lee’s children, but I don’t think the terms applied to spouses.)
She was absolutely a stone cold gold digger, as was Jackie. I say this as a successful gold digger.
@Michaela: You are absolutely right about Lee. Carole has said they still see each.
This is just wrong. Why do you hate someone you don’t know so much?
The cunt that just said Jill didn’t love her husband, Bethenny is unlovable and nullified Dorinda’s relationships Says what?
Jill’s in love with money and Bethenny’s track record speaks for itself.
Zasu,
How many books have YOU written, dear? How many were bestsellers?
Carole’s first best-selling book came out in 2005, 6 years before she came on RHoNY, but you go right on believing that the only copies purchased were by RHoNY viewers.
She also had a long-running column in Glamour magazine before coming on the show, and published other freelance pieces here and there.
She was very open about the fact that promoting her second (best-selling) book was one of the reasons why she joined the cast of the show in the first place, and why not? That’s what housewives do. They promote their products. You know, like LuAnn’s etiquette book and songs. There’s also a bunch of SkinnyGirl products that you may have heard of.
You go ahead though and be astonished that she could write anything. It just makes you look like a moron.
Are you forgetting that Carole’s book was bashed so badly by the NYT that her brother wrote a scathing OpEd in retaliation?
https://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/27/opinion/carole-radziwills-what-remains-782319.html
The book wasn’t well received and sold more books to housewives fans later than it ever did inn 2005.
Risking being irritating by pasting in my previously posted over-caffeinated breakdown of a bestseller’s earning potential because I am procrastinating: “If Carole also got, say, a $200,000 advance for her first book, she would have gotten all that money up front, minus a 15% agents commission, leaving her with $170,000. Then she’s got to pay income tax and self-employment tax, so I don’t know, maybe she’s left with $145,000 in the bank. To stay on the bestseller list for 20 weeks as she did, she’d have to sell at least 5,000 hardcover copies a week, Selling at that rate for 20 weeks would mean a total of 100,000 sales. BUT, she and her agent have already pocketed the $200,000 advance, so she will not receive more royalties until the book “earns out”, meaning earns back the $200,000 advance and then keeps earning. If her book was priced at $20 in hardcover, she would have received a royalty of about $2 per copy sold at full price. That means she could not earn any royalties on the book until about 100,000 hardcover full-price copies were sold, which happens to be just about how many books likely sold on her 20 weeks on the bestseller list. After that, sales fall off and usually peter out within the balance of the first six-month selling period. So in spite of the success, Carole likely didn’t see big bucks from her first book once she’d pocketed her advance. Her novel (to my knowledge) never hit the bestseller list, so the “high six-figure advance” that wikipedia says she got might very likely still be in unearned status. Carole’s publisher also would have deducted a “reserve for returns” from her royalties, since books are sold to bookstores on a fully returnable basis. NYTimes bestellers are calculated on sales to bookstores, not bookstore sales to consumers. If bookstores across the country order a total of 12,000 copies of a book before the pub date, the book automatically goes on the bestseller list. If only 6,000 copies sell, and 6000 are returned, the book will be a “bestseller” for a week or two, then disappear from the list, and $12,000 worth of initial earnings suddenly become negative $12,000. So publishers withhold a chunk of money to cover the projected return. TLDR: It’s very hard to make money as an author. With a big advance and bestseller, you have a windfall the year you sign the contract. Often, you don’t see significant earnings past that year. Most books never fully earn back their advances. I bet you dollars to doughnuts Carole’s second book has not earned out, and is generating her no income. I had it ingrained in me from the get-go to NEVER count on a penny of royalties. I make my money from advances, and that’s how I budget. When books do earn out and royalties arrive, I call it “free money” and buy ridiculous things like vintage 1977 plastic Star Trek cups with it.”
Replying to DalaiMama, ran out of reply buttons on this thread….
Great capsule education on book profits, best seller list etc. I had a little idea about how that worked, but it’s very clear to me now, thank you! Learn something new everyday!
Thanks for setting the record straight, CAROL.
Bye Aviva.
Dorinda is so way over the top defensive about her drinking.
Yes Dorinda, you have a problem with alchohol. Just watch the black out slurring clips.
I agree. She is admitting she blacks out by saying she doesn’t remember.
Yes, Dorinda used to be a favorite because she kept it real, so we could feel good as we drank ourselves into Snarky Town….but now she’s gone too far and we see our ugly future…we need her to stahhhhp.
Exactly. It’s just sad now and to see her laughing at the drunk montage was pretty pathetic.
CLIPS!!!!!!
Man that was a crazy a$$ episode. It was obvious that everyone’s (except Sonja) goal was to come for Bethanney. If Luanne was there it would have been Bethanney, Luanne and Sonja versus everyone else.
Yep!! The trio was all about how Beth is a bully….yada yada while they were bulling the shit out of her. Andy would ask Bethenny a question and before she got two words out the trio would jump in …..
No wonder Andy finally got pissed and said stfu.
I so wanted to see this………but half way in I was…..are you fucking kidding me? Break out the vodka!
Remember when Kelly said that she was systematically bullied……
Hello!
Bethany has ridiculed and bullied many a castmate over all of her seasons, Luanne was a slut, Sonya a ridiculous fraud, Jules was an active anorexic, Kelly was insane, and as Bethany pointed out not tough enough to be on a reality show, and the list goes on…
Bethenny was wrong in calling Lu a slut. Very wrong in that women have autonomy over their bodies (or should have) – but just in terms of women who sleep around. C’mon. Does no one remember the butt pirate?
Sonja was ridic in those seasons.
Jules DID have an eating disorder (she was in recovery with some slips, but she admitted that she had one… B’s radar was accurate), and Kelly was a bit weird and was very mean to Bethenny first.
Whoa, you’re one astute woman. Got it all right. But you left out other frauds like Alex Van Kempen and Jill Zaaaarin, the latter being the most pathetic, needy, vicious and vulgar of them all — and who never did anything other than marry Bobbbbby, who bankrolled her obscene and obsessive materialistic cravings.
I felt soooooooo bad for that man. He would do anything for her and she was so vile and horrible.
By the way Sonja is also a major league slut. I have a friend who knew her and she said Sonja was a notorious gold-digging slut and that everyone in real society in NY (my friend is) wondered how Morgan got fooled by her.
Sonja also likes 3somes and 4somes, my friend says.
Well good for Sonya for going after what she enjoys in bed.
They actually wonder why he liked her? Hahahahaha.
She has a very healthy sex life. Power to her.
She likes threesomes and foursomes?
MY HEAVENS! Get me to my fainting couch and bring the smelling salts!
What’s wrong with threesomes and foursomes?
You sound like the worst kind of narrowminded, judgmental prude.
Also: define “slut”.
I heard she wears army pants and flip flops.
I was surprised to see Sonja side with Beth after how she’s been treated in the past. Sonja must really have a heart of gold. There is no way I’d kiss and make up with anyone who treated me that way.
Bethenny and Lu had a history if you’ve watched from the beginning….. they clashed from day one. It came to a head when Bethenny went nuts on her. Not pretty at all but it was a long time coming. Thing is Lu and her have gotten past it and if Lu can let it go I don’t know why everyone else can’t. Sonja with her air head products irritated the the hell out of Bethenny…..not surprising. Then the cheater brand thing really caused a major uproar and deservedly so but again they got past it. Sonja even asked Bethenny for help with getting into real business. No doubt a story line but it annoyed the shit out of Bethenny when Sonja kind of blew her help off and kept up the goofy stuff. A blow up happened…..they got past it and are now closer. Mutual respect….same with Lu. Both those relationships have evolved over the years. Bethenny apologized her ass off to both of them……let it go. They are fine now. Ramona has always been a shit to Bethenny and she is over it. Does not want to engage. Don’t know why Ramona can’t let it go. Be civil and stop pushing. As for Dorinda, she’s shown herself to be untrustworthy and mean. Bethenny backed off…as she said, she doesn’t feel safe with her. As for Carol, no one knows what the hell her problem is, most of all Bethenny. I have yet to see the crime from Bethenny that deserves the punishment. Whacko! And as Andy brought up it is always Bethenny that is right there when someone breaks down. She may be a bitch but she’s the first one to offer a shoulder. Yep, I’m a fan. Always have been but I’m not blind to her faults either. This whole gang up mystifies me to no end and truthfully pisses me off. Seems they want to convict her to past crimes from years ago. Why? She is who she is warts and all and owns it. Get off her jock…lol.
Whew……ok I’m done. 🙂
Bravo!!! Well said.
What was missing in that entire discussion was acknowledgement that these are human relationships that evolve, and are just that-HUMAN. They grow when they are healthy, and have good and bad phases, but truths shared lead to knowing each other better and caring more about each other, when both sides sincerely desire that they are honest and sincerely lived. . Some of this group lack the maturity/dimension to grow ( Ramona and maybe Carole) some are fixated on TV exposure(Dorinda) ,and all of them have evolved some and lived lives where different elements of their personalities have driven their behavior over time-not just one element, consistently.
With the exception of Ramona, I want to give them the benefit of the doubt for trying to grow and make real relationships among the group, some of which succeeded, others not. But it was clear, as someone else said, that at least Ramona, Carole , Dorinda and Tinsley had planned in advance to come out of the gate diverting any topic Bethenny was involved in to an attack on her, a classic Season Three reunion ploy from RHBH, which Andy foiled after a number of rounds.
Both he and Bethenny handled it well but it was ugly, personal, and completely unnecessary, given all the efforts at sharing ,and building , supportive relationships that Bethenny has made with these women, save Ramona, and they with her.
Their relationships go through cycles, but they evolve ,save Ramona ( who made it clear as time moved on, how stunted she is and how broken and jealous of Bethenny she is) ,given her adolescent ,narcissistic ,and self indulgent brain and maturity. I think one of the reasons we are drawn to NY ( or I still am) is that some of their efforts at friendship are believable. Some, not all- and we have seen each of them at lonely, sad, lost points where they reach out to certain of the others, and find kind, giving responses.
And these relationships are as real and honest as the parties in them. They have matured as the women have, and shown what they chose to show the camera, and production squeezed out of them. SO they clashed, but grew from it, if they invested in it. The investments/actions are as true of Bethenny as it is of each of the women. The difference we see is the maturity/judgment that comes with holding a senior position in a business with significant commitments; discretion, listening rather than speaking, maturity and wisdom come with the responsibility. Allowing one’s ego/emotions loose is not acceptable ,good judgment must color behavior. That’s the difference we see in Bethenny.;She’s been forced to grow up faster. It’s present in Luann from her old position, as to some degree was with Sonja, from her role9long gone now tho) .
I seemed to me that production decided to start the show with a relatively lively segment about Bethenny , at medium irritation factor, to wake the audience up, but hold out the Dorinda/Luann, Dorinda/real booze Luann/booze, Carole/Bethenny, oter Luann, and et al as the climaxes built .
There is a warmth to some of these relationships and that is one of the reason the audience comes back-for the mix of conflict and kindness. ,indulgences and travails. They may not be best friends but coworkers, they have times when they irritate each other and go after the jugular, but add the human interaction to NewYork, with its grit and glory, and it works.
I didn’t watch in the beginning so when Bethenny started 3 years ago (?) It was my first time watching her. I’m always on the fence. I’m a Scorpio with a horrific childhood so sometimes I get her, other times she’s just a bully.
Lynn said, “Ramona has always been a shit to Bethenny and she is over it.”
Ramona has been a shit to everyone. She’s frickin’ rude as hell!
Remember the Berkshires, in the water, the glass she threw at Christian’s? face, which made her bleed? She should have been kicked off the show right then and there. She doesn’t care who she hurts. That was bullshit!
Sonja and Luanne should be the last two defending Bethenny. She has served both of them there ASS on a silver platter. Sonja sat there agreeing with Bethenny after Bethenny has called her everything but a child of God, if someone spoke to me that way I would want NOTHING to do with them. I feel as though Bethenny campained for a good smack down and got elected. She needs to get over herself. Every season she targets someone then verbally attacks them then acts as if she’s the person that’s wronged.
But Bethenny said it to Sonja’s face and not in a blog, confessional, or gossip session. Not at all like Team Ugly does it.
Meh. One can’t ever say anything to Bethenny’s face. She never lets anybody get a word in edgewise.
You meant to type Ramona there didn’t you?
^This!
I said what I said!
ew, WordPress took out my //Nene voice// brackets on that. Hmm.
Yes so true. You can tell Luanne and Sonya know who’s the real boss of RHONYC.
? THIS X 1000 ☑
This is a new spin on how to spell Bethenny’s name lol
This was really uncomfortable to watch because of the obvious orchestrated line of attack that Ramona, Slurinda (who looked like George Washington in drag) and Carole had cooked up. The way they constantly joined in to team- tag each other in attempting to take down Bethenny – was horrible. What a bunch of geriatric Mean Girls. Also, the way they treated Sonja for siding with Bethenny was unkind. I would have almost smacked one or all of them across the face. Sonja’s dress was beautiful and I thought she was the most improved appearance-wise. And Dorinda claims she slurs her words not because she drinks too much — but because she is alcohol sensitive so starts sluring and acting up after only 2 drinks? Sure, because we have never seen her drink very much. And what about how MEAN she is when she drinks? Good for Bethenny for citing all the fake Ramona businesses. They tried to bring Bethheny down, but to me they just looked like an embarrasing pack of desperate losers. As my grandmother used to say — their behavior was most unattractive.
”And Dorinda claims she slurs her words not because she drinks too much — but because she is alcohol sensitive so starts sluring and acting up after only 2 drinks?
If you slur your words and become a mean bitch after only 2 drinks and keep drinking even after you know it only takes 2 drinks to make you that way then you are a drunk.
Exactly!
Yes………..this^^
“George Washington is drag”!! You’re so right!!
I almost always agree 100% with your comments, scottishwitch, and tonight is no exception. The only thing I disagreed with was that I thought Dorinda’s dress was great on her, and wasn’t too tickled with Sonja’s. Anyway, I actually put the show on mute at one point because it was so difficult to listen to all the spitefulness and venom. Andy was practically giving himself a heart attack trying to run interference for Bethenny – I’ve never seen him so frustrated. Ramona was so wound up she couldn’t even sit in her seat – she was up and down and all over the place. Between Dorinda, Ramona, Carole, and, to a lesser degree, Sonja, it was impossible for me to watch tonight. I have a very funny and dear friend who loves to describe messy situations like this as “clusterfucks”. Well, that’s what this was for me. A clusterfuck. I did enjoy the part where Bethenny, very clearly and concisely, made it clear that Ramona doesn’t have a makeup line yet, and Ramona didn’t deny the facts. I just couldn’t get into all the arguments and screaming and finally gave up and watched a rerun of Bachelor in Paradise instead. Good decision.
By the way, why was Tinsley even there? She barely participated. Of course, I’ve been saying that all this season, “Why is she even here?”
Tinsley is here because otherwise (as with most of them) she’d be unemployed. And she needs to be careful in case her sugar daddy ends the gravy train and she has to move out of the hotel.
Tinsley is not from money. She is fro ma family that dissipated all of it two generations ago, and her father died drunk and broke. So the mother trained them, sort of the way the Richards mom trained her courtesan daughters, to find money and marry it. Scott isn’t clas, but he has money, so if money canb’t buy her class, at least he pays the rent. But if Scott and RHONY go away, Tinsley is just another gold-digger has-been. So she’ll make whatever alliances she can to keep the RHONY money coming in.
“her father died drunk and broke” This is seriously my life’s goal.
@ Alexa: Tinsley said on the show her father died of alcoholism and broken-hearted due to his father taking the family business away. She said he was a sweet man. Gramps still has the money and doubt Scott is paying for Tinsley since they are off and on in their relationship. Tinsley did well with her divorce and purse collection in Japan.
At the start of the season when Sonja was attacking Tinsley about being a kept woman now. TInsley wrote a blog slamming sonja’s lies: stating she left her husband and refused any form of settlement, said she wanted to keep the friendship more.
Alexa=Ramona! Busted,
Me too English Rose. After about 10 minutes, I switched to Better Call Saul.
I did think the dresses were lovely, especially Bethanys. She usually chooses a body hugging style with sharp contrast, but this effervescent princess number was divine.
I literally sat down on my couch after a grueling week and gave serious thought to whether or not I wanted to spend the 1 hr of chill time I would have for the night listening to what I expected to be Ramona screeching like a wounded animal. I just couldn’t bring myself to do it lol
Much as I have always followed this show, this is the first season I’ve relied primarily on TT’s recaps because I cannot get myself in the headspace to listen to these beasts (Ramona specifically). I have always hated her and thought she’s a psychopathic witch devoid of all decorum and social grace. She’s a horrible person, infuriating. Her affect is so beyond bizarre, I can’t even stand to watch her. If I were Bethenny I would’ve killed her long ago lol
I agree about Ramona. Since season 1 she has tossed out horrible comments about everyone then denys or laughs them off.
If Ramona is ever diagnosed then I will have to be understanding. Ugh!
And her laughes were like a hyena last night-she is so completely out in left field that she honestly believes that nonsense she spouts ,and does not understand how ridiculous she sounds as she expounds on nothing. She is lost, stupidly arrogant, selfishly boorish, a true ugly American, representing the absolute worst of us wherever she is, and an embarrassment to anyone who knows her.
But I see why she is cast-she is spoiled. fundamentally uninformed about everything of importance in life, rude, arrogant, and just rich enough to think she is special. The ugly NewYorker/American. Talented at offending everyone.
I’m really sorry New Yorkers- all I meant was that Ramona fits a unique bill – she personally is a truly ugly American and New Yorker who embarrasses us all – not that there is a class of them. Ramona is a group large enough for all of us.
That came across poorly and I did not mean it as it came out. I hope it is clearer now, and doesn’t offend. I love both the city and its people/life.
as a native ny’er, I am not in the least bit offended and I know exactly what you were trying to say, Sabrina lol
she’s intolerable.
Don’t forget the rapid blinking when the eyes are extra wide.
God that drives me nuts.
To Sabrina, Shae, etc. on this Ramona thread, I couldn’t agree more with the observations on Ramona!!! I.Can’t.Stand.Ramona’s antics and hatred for Bethenny or her previous best friend Sonja. She was so hard to watch on the reunion pt.1. I wish Bravo would boot her off and bring back Jill. And Bethenny is my favorite among all Real Housewives franchises!
Scottishwitch said, “Dorinda claims she slurs her words not because she drinks too much — but because she is alcohol sensitive so starts sluring and acting up after only 2 drinks?”
Don’t forget Carole’s diagnosis of why Dorinda Slurs. It’s because she has an ENLARGED TONGUE!
Wow that was fun to watch – it was sickening with Dorinda and Carole. Bethenny was very composed. Tinsley still don’t know why she exists on the show, she is a ding. I missed Luanne, so rooting for her. I enjoyed watching Dorinda but man this season? but now she is a MEAN DRUNK! Yeah she is…..
All of Dorinda bad qualities have been amplified this season when she is drinking and not drinking. Does anyone remember at the start season at Ramona’s Hampton’s house when Dorinda kept on saying to Bethenny boyfriend- I love bald men, Richard was bald, it so striking… in front of John. I feel like that maybe why John wasn’t on the show much after that. I felt sorry for him when she was talking that way in front of him.
Dorinda doesn’t love bald men. She loves bald men with money who will support her and, as needed, leave her money when they die. Dorinda was a nobody local real estate agent when she stumbled on Richard. She was struggling to support her loser of a daughter and then Richard was the glass slipper. When he went, turned out that wasn’t as much money as she’d hoped, so she’s drunk because she is terrified of what happens if she can’t stay on the show.
For reals?
who was dorindas’ first husband. ralph ? her daughters father. i remember
reading somewhere that he took the daughter from her at one time.
Ralph Lynch was an investment banker with Credit Suisse who was from the UK but had gone to Columbia and worked on Wall Street. They went to London for his job, He was doing very well and they lived in Mayfair an expensive area. Dorinda has a college degree from Franklin and Marshall and worked for Liz Claiborne.
Getting a Valley of the Dolls vibe from Sonja and I love it!
OMG Warrior that’s exactly what it is she looks so good yep Valley of the Dolls
How can you tell, Sonja is so far up Bethenny’s ass. Really laughable in her Target reject dress trying to look like a smug 1960’s Bond Girl.
Sonja looked gorgeous overall and fabulous in that dress, Target reject or not.
Agree!
Carole is so angry. You can see in earlier episodes, I watched one, she tried to find out why B and she were on the outs. I presume they will delve into it, but seems like it stemmed from what B said about Adam on that call. Then, Carole got to a point where she didn’t care eventually. But she’s coming for B in this reunion clearly, as is everyone. Did you hear Ramona say how she basically had so many businesses it led to her divorce? Interesting. And Dorinda’s drinking. Yes, she has a problem, and it was aggravating that Andy had to call it out. They all retreated. She’s been a nasty, drunken mess since she’s on the show. Yes, sometimes it’s funny AF (Clip), and often, she’s a hot mess. She took a denial liar’s way out saying she was depressed in the fall. She’s been a drunken, crying mess since she started the show and they didn’t call her out. And then I guess sounds like they are coming for Lu next week. i will miss this show. I hope B comes back next season. She may not want to talk about Dennis.
And Dorinda called out that B never saw Jill again after the shiva call visit. Said she didn’t because it wasn’t filmed. She may have a point. The reunion was filmed 6 months after Bobby died so that’s a long time to not visit Jill.
FFS…… Beth and Jill are in touch… she even brought Bryn to meet her. There is a lot of history there to get over or under what ever you want to call it. Jill and Beth are fine…..stfu
They are only texting.. Bethenny took Bryn to the shiva that day.. she even said she doesn’t know if she has intentions of ever seeing her again…
Good point. Bethenny has to have everything shown on camera. Kind of pathetic.
Not true! They were complaining about Bethenny thanking Dorinda “Off” camera for the nutcracker. As if the thank you wasn’t real or sincere unless it was filmed for the viewers to see.
Thank you! Also, I. Believe, “narsacisstic” is the perfect word for her.
I couldn’t believe the Puerto Rico “whether you love ME or hate MEthank you for supporting ME.”
Um. I believe the ladies were supporting the cause for Puerto Rico, not supporting Bethenny Frankel.
Sorry Bethenny lovers.
Not true. You don’t know what you don’t see. They’ve months of filming in which life goes on.
“ NOT” filming
@Ms says: You are correct, Bethenny did say that.
Oh, and looks like Carole telling Andy he’s full of shit was a career-ending move. In what planet did she not bash B all season? She totally did.
YES^^^^
@Cat37: They both bashed each other. Bethenny was more brutal and nit picky IMO.
@Spunky.
You jump on every convo just to bash Bethenny regardless of the topic….wth?
I like Bethenny for her grit, hard work, being a good mother and especially her charitable endeavors. I donated to her cause, but can also be objective about the nasty things she says. Bethenny does hit below the belt. All the women have valid reasons to be angry with her IMO.
That surprisingly they, other than Ramona and her old tired chestnut, can’t verbalize clearly when asked over and over and over again “what did Bethenny do to piss you off so much?”
YES! ^^^
I meant YES to Spunky.
Carole saying that to Andy showed two things: How arrogant she is that she thought she could speak to Andy in that disrespectful way (and I am no Andy fan), and how much she hates Bethenny and needs to be seen as “the good guy” — that she would go that far.
@scottiswitch
Yep…..Carol has issues but I don’t think it really has to do with anything real that Beth has done. It’s just way too over the top.
I applaud Carole for calling Andy out on his bullshit. Andy has always been team Bethenny, I think Carole has had enough of the Bethenny show I certainly have. Carole being brave enough to make that statement to Andy was very telling. I think at that point Carole didn’t care what the backlash would be. I wish her well in whatever the future holds for her.
For years, most posters (including you) have called Andy every name in the book. Now, he’s being disrespected? Who ever thought laid back Carole would put him in his place this week and next week. About time someone with half a brain did called him out. Sadly this show is becoming very unbalanced and Andy perpetuates it.
I’m a huge Andy fan, and I’m going to defend the “bashers” who now think he’s being disrespected.
There is a huge difference between viewers/fans not liking his behavior and discussing it on here.
Carole is not only his personal friend since the 90s but in this setting he is HER BOSS. Honestly, it was more inappropriate than Teresa Guidice pushing him out of her way! I can’t believe I am going to say this and I might have to go drink heavily now – but even Kim Z showed more respect and class when she waited to confront Andy about how the reunion went in Atlanta until AFTER they were off the couch and she could speak to him semi privately.
His past behavior doesn’t matter. He never behaved that way to Carole and she is still an employee.
Please present evidence of how Carole and Andy were friends from the 90s. Wasn’t she busy “winning her emmys for journalism” then or married to one of The Dead Kennedys? or some such? Do chronicle this friendship for us. Can we read about it in her books and his his? If he had a princess in his back pocket don’t you think she would have been one season one and not some new toy he joyously found five or six years later and spoolged himself over?
He has said it on the radio multiple times. I believe she has said it numerous times. When he interviewed her when Radio Andy first started, he said he met her after Anthony died – and didn’t realize she was a princess at first.
Maybe friends was too strong of a word? They certainly knew each other socially. I am pretty sure he has even mentioned that Carole at least used to come over and get Wacha to walk him. (In his book I think). Doubt that happens anymore.
OK.. I googled and found several articles that refer to how they knew each other well before she went on the HW, but don’t want to break rules. I do know I’ve heard him mention it on Radio Andy.
Seems like Bethenny’s taking a bashing in here also.
I agree. I love the girl…. but that’s me.
Ditto!
Double ditto!!
I see someone who has no time for Bullshit from these lazy (Carole, Tinsley, Dorinda) or medicated ( carole -reefer, Ramona…you name it) or drunken (Dorinda, Ramona) women.
She WORKS a REAL job. Has a young child. She is busy and she does have friends…none of which want to be associated with those miserable hags.
She has also never had a man give her anything in support unlike the others.
She has had to scratch for everything she has and damn, they she has made it and makes no apologies for it.She appreciates it and yet finds time to do REAL charity work for those that are suffering.
At least Lu ans Sonja try to do something, even if it’s kind of silly.
She has tried with these shallow, self absorbed women and they go after her out of pure jealously and spite.
Women hate other successful women…at least some do. It’s effed up.
Some women can’t seem to accept another woman’s success.
Just a shame!
Or it was the move of somebody who had already decided to leave and therefore had no fucks left to give.
I think my assessment of Carole on another thread was accurate—–she is eaten up with jealousy of Bethenny, period.
She kept telling every one over and over ..”there was too much Bethenny and not enough Carole”. and ..”Bethenny got all the attention” . Iow, she blames Bethenny for Bethenny making her her shadow: Carole was her willing shadow because she had nothing going for her….so her solution?…..join the anti Bethenny crew so she could …”find her voice’ and get some attention.
The description ‘junk yard bitch’ would be fitting.
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#hicarol….. Bethany constantly brings the receipts and ….. successful women are tired of apologizing for it…..ake your hate somewhere else
Are you replying to me? If so wtf is good name for you. Learn to read.
I think wth replied to the wrong comment. No need to be mean. BTW, I totally agree with your comment.
perfect what Sarah says what Sarah says preach girl
YEP
Haven’t you ever been in a friendship where you find yourself playing the role of the listener? It happens so easily with peopme witg narcissistic traits. They simply need to much validation but they are not interested in giving it back.
You not talking about Bethenny she constantly gives.
I don’t think that Bethenny gives much, in a friendship.
I mean, yes, she will take you on a fabulous vacation, but you have to listen to her babble and rage on about her life, her problems. Kill me. It reaches a point where you realize there is no friendship. You are a paid companion.
@Gracemom: I agree. With what has gone on with Hoppy and Shields Carole has been there for her but got girlfriend burnout. Carole wants to remain friends but at a different level and Bethenny can’t see that. A shame really, because they were good for each other.
Spunky, In no manner or words did Carole indicate this season she wants to maintain any sort of friendship with Bethenny.
graciesmom: Have you been on these FREE vacations??
You know everything that is said? Wow, how nice for you.
So far, I see she is the only one who will hug you and literally cry with you.
Carole is all “I can’t handle the tears” but sure as fuck will take the vacations.
@SuzyKane: The last show Carole hoped they’d find their sweet spot again. Like she said she doesn’t burn bridges, but seeing the reunion I doubt that now. I feel for Bethenny, she has had a lot of loss this past year.
And I agree with stance ?
The absolute sad thing is that Carole was fantastic as “the observer” with a dash of her dating, her apartment, the cats, etc. She was us with a dash of glamor/New York single intelligent woman.
Nice way to put it Erica. This season Carol was just plain ugly and not enjoyable to watch.
Not much glamor dating who — a 33 year old rock singer wanna be, then a whole foods veggie chef aged 28? Carol is one seriously delusional, screwed up girl. She had her Icarus moment with Radiziwill and its all over.
Ever notice: all the women who had gold-digger marriages — Carole, Luann, Dorinda, Sonja, Kelly — ALL of them dated loser guys afterwards — the same guys they darted before their gold-digger marriages. Those marriages were one offs an.
Wanna be? It was a member of Aerosmith!
And I’m not a snob – she was getting her itches scratched with interesting people. I also don’t think she married Anthony b/c she was a “gold digger”.
Anyone with a heart sees her wedding photos (the candids) and feels the love between them. Her book glows with it.
I hated her this season – but I have no question that she loved Anthony. I actually think she’s in a low point in the lifelong grieving process.
What a mean and dumb thing to say. A member of Aerosmith is a loser wannabe rock star? Carole was a well respected Journalist and her husband loved her and she him.
I wonder who Alexa is dating? Lol. I don’t think Jacques or John are losers either, they seem really nice guys, with big hearts.
@ Alexa: Have you dated George Clooney? I know I haven’t. LOL
You are astoundingly negative. I get it, we all have cast members we can’t stand and pet peeves, but everything you have posted is so vicious.
Bologna. God forbid someone differs from your opinion, otherwise it’s negative.
Your negativity seems more over the top because you post the same negativity over and over and over as replies to everyone who disagrees with you. You did the same thing with Kenya.
I often agree with you but I read your comments one after the other instead of in the threads and it is a bit much.
I’m just letting you know why people perceive you are more negative… that’s all.
That’s nonsense. You can differ from my opinion all day, that doesn’t mean I think you’re being negative. Your comments just seem overwhelmingly and consistently mean-spirited.
Thank you thank you thank you Tamara tattles now I don’t have to waste my time watching it I’ll wait for round 2 oh by the way I got kicked off all about tea for mentioning you in a Blog that you corrected statements .now I’m permanently banned that’s cool I consider it of badge of honor TT everyday all day! Lol
damn, wtf
read the commenting rules
seriously
I’m disappointed that their takedown attempt is so very, very sloppy. They really should have studied Atlanta. Or maybe tried to take turns.
And, they should have timed it better. I’m still remembering Bethenny’s charity work, which for me more than offsets the offenses they offer as proof that she’s evil. She filmed at a funeral, she expressed gratitude off camera, and she called a drunk person a drunk. I’d never say that Bethenny is perfect, but…I can’t see how that warrants the level of anger they seem to have.
Couldn’t agree more. Expressing gratitude off-camera – how sharper than a serpent’s tooth!
Ditto.
It wasn’t even all off camera! I distinctly remember B saying to Dorinda “YOU SAVED CHRISTMAS”
What the heck was up with everyone’s hair??? All of the extensions were HORRIBLE! They were all so heavy. Terrible.
Thanks for the warning about Ramona taking over. God, that woman’s voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard. She is really too dumb to be interesting. Dorinda may not be an alcoholic. Maybe she’s just a sloppy drunk. Does she think that’s less embarrassing? It’s ten times worse.
They are making me love Bethenny.
Yes, is it jealousy?
Not sure about the rest of the women, but definitely a yes with Ramona. I believe Ramona thinks she has worked just as hard and has created as many businesses as Bethenny but gets zero recognition for it on camera. She is angry about it. Instead of blaming production, she blames Bethenny.
Yes you are absolutely right. Ramona wants her recognition as a “self-made” woman. Her jealousy become obvious when she had her tantrum about paying her way through college and working at Macy’s and it wasn’t the first time she’s said it. Why does she want Bethenny to support her so badly? The hate is mutual at this point so why be so upset b/c she didn’t go to your event? She still got her camera time.
She should blame production but she can’t risk losing the show. She doesn’t need the Bravo check but she sure loves the Bravo fame.
She should blame the fact that she did these things off camera, and years ago. (Same with Carole, frankly). Good for you for accomplishing so much so that you don’t have to go into an office every day… but that isn’t exciting to watch unless you are actively doing something else.
We’ve watched B do this from the beginning. We’ve literally seen the boots that had the straps, so to speak. We’re vested in her story. Ramona’s was that she was a business woman, with a marriage and a kid. She would have been better off showing us the process she went through updating her home and putting it on the market while filming.
I loved the way Bethenny’s eyes blinked when Ramona talked about how she didn’t have a wealthy father like Bethenny did. We’ve been down this road before; Bobby Frankel was one of the most famous and successful horse trainers in North America, but Bethenny lived and was supported by her step-father, also a horse trainer, not as successful. She spent her young life in a world where she knew famous and rich people but wasn’t one of them. There was a reason she was working for Kris Kardashian.
The most hypocritical thing about Ramona’s tirade about Bethenny’s rich background is that the way Ramona started her company RMS Whatever is from a loan from her father. She did not have the funds for her first big buy of inventory to sell. She asked her father, the same one who would not support her at anything would not pay for her college, etc. and he loaned her $70,000 (approximately $170,000 in today’s dollars) to buy the inventory. In the interview discussing this Ramona says she paid back the entire loan within one month with interest to her father.
So Ramona definitely benefitted from having a rich father as well, at least in getting the business off the ground. Additionally Mario’s family business did very well, so while she may have had her own money, she also shared in Mario’s income. As other commenters have noted Ramona’s jealously of Bethenny just seethes through everything. Further for someone who “worked her way up:, Ramona has no respect whatsoever for the working man or woman. She treats everyone – wait staff, hotel staff, the Bravo camera crew at the reunion – like they are her personal hired help. She is the diva from hell.
@Nolagirl (I’m a Nola girl too btw)
You are absolutely right! Ramona has no respect for the working man. If she was self-made from nothing, you’d think she’d have some appreciation for working people. Something is wrong with Ramona.
I was never found of Bethenny until this season. Did not watch any of her spin offs. Never purchased any of her products. I was rooting for her all season and last night too. #TeamBetheny
Carole, Dorinda, and Ramona come across as bitches. They aren’t smart. If they really were fed up with Bethenny acting like harpy petty bitches is not the way to go about it. If they left her be and had really fun scenes not centered around bashing her they would have been far more successful.
True!
meh, to this blog entry. more B protectionism, I just cant. Something needs to be said for her double standards and hypocrisy.
Production are protecting the B, as usual. B is extremely vicious and hypocritical. “Old, nothing going on, childless, vain…” in comparison, “I’m running a charity!” Kinda like when you were hustling for business reasons and your friends hubby had cancer and she brought up your priorities on camera… OH no reply of that – just of typical Ramona stuff…
It was opportunistic to film at the funeral, she knew he was dying and did not reach out, whatsoever. To only show up by the funeral time and agree to film it for reality tv is beneath most people. Andy didn’t give two shits about Jills wants, he wants ranting. He got cranky at the other women for ratings shaming. not Jill/B/ Funeral shaming.
Bethenny has been slamming everyone (Luann, Sonja, Dorinda, Jules) about their drinking/ substance use etc. Yet, funnily enough she never spoke about Denis’s addiction and was going on in her backyard. #shocker. that’s what they’re all sick to death of.
Steph, you are just a Beth hater. You came in hating and you will NEVER see beyond it
CYA
CYA???
I didn’t hate old B, she was my favourite and my reason for getting addicted to HWs. Since she has come back, had success, she has also become nasty. I don’t particularly care for Ramona or Carole either… I just cant stand Bethenny protectionism, she already has production and a team do that for her.
I think she is much nicer 2nd time around.
I do not see what you do. She comments on their actions etc.
Her comments to caroke you describe as mean, maybe I’ll give you 1/2 on that but she was replying to one of Carole’s horrible blogs.
oh, and if you were a real fan, you’d know she doesn’t like being called Beth 🙂
HA!!!
Maybe he wasn’t an addict? They said he was prescribed narcotics for back pain but haven’t heard he was an addict. Don’t assume.
OD means misuse. He’s dead, it didn’t happen from spontaneous combustion. No hate. Empathy all round. Just see a double standard.
OD also doesn’t mean addiction. People with severe pain sometimes take more than prescribed in an effort to control the pain and this can lead to an accidental overdose. Dennis was only on the show a few times and Bethenny had stopped seeing him. He was never shown high or in any way under the influence of drugs or alcohol. No reason to discuss him. Dorina is a cast member who was shown on multiple occasions drunk and slurring her words. No double standard.
Addiction, Dependence, Misuse: semantics. All concerned with a persons ability to function. Denis OD’d he will never function again.
Cant use ops for 3 years and not become dependent, some people are dependent after three consecutive days use. 3 years he had slim to no chance of not being dependent.
No Judgement. I have a past. My issue is with the glaringly obvious double standard and the protectionism.
You can use narcotics and NOT be an addict. You can need them and hate the way they make you feel. You called him an addict. We do not know that.
Dennis is not a housewife.
But it ISN’T semantics. There are classes of drugs that people need to be cautious of from the get go – they need to know that they are dangerous even when one isn’t an addict.
You’re right, Stephanie
Semantics that matter very much. Your body could be dependent on a prescribed drug to function, because you need it, and that does not equate to you being “addicted”. If you were to go off that medication, due to the dependence, you would need to be weaned off and monitored by the doctor prescribing. That is not the same as a person who is addicted to a drug.
We don’t know Dennis’ situation with his medication, whether he took it as prescribed and had a mishap with mixing or taking too much in error, or if he did abuse the meds. We have no idea except to say he was never filmed or shown being doped up or out of sorts and frankly, bethenny does not strike me as the type of woman to be involved with a man who is in the throes of a substance abuse problem.
OD doesn’t necessarily mean it happened because he was an addict. When you regularly use a med after a while you can get sloppy about it keeping up with it and forget you’ve already taken a pill(s).
I use an inhaler every day, 2 putts every morning—-several times I have forgotten I used it before breakfast and used it again and ended up with adverse effects.
It happens more often then you think so don’t assume.
Yes Sara, you are spot on. I could never understand how one could accidentally OD until I underwent several surgeries due to cancer. I was on so much medication that I couldn’t remember when I took my last pain pill. Those drugs kept the pain at bay but I was not thinking or functioning properly. Thankfully, I did not become addicted and did not overdose. But to clarify one can OD without being an addict.
We don’t know what happened with Dennis and he is not a housewife. He was barely even on the show.
Overdose literally means took too much. It doesn’t mean addiction at all.
THANK YOU! This whole I am not addicted to my pain pills because I need them and they are prescribed is bullshit to. Why do you think you have to wean off of them?
They originally said antidepressants weren’t addictive until we all nearly died getting off of them Now they tell you to wean off of them. Why? Because your body becomes addicted to the medication.
@Nancy, so true. People are on pain meds for years and don’t become addicts. For the uninformed, if you are prescribed 2 pills a day and take 2 pills day with occasional 3 or 4 pills on a bad day is not a addict.
If you are prescribed 2 pills a day but within a few months or year you need 4-5 pills plus a day is addiction. You are looking for a high that doesn’t happen with your prescribed amount.
Most pain pills prescribed for long term pain does not make you pain free, it makes the pain livable. .
Those of you thinking Dennis must have been a addicted are uninformed. There are times that the patient just wants to be pain free for a day.
Bethenny wouldn’t be able to do anything right for you. If Bethenny spoke about Dennis’ **alleged** addiction you’d say that she was being disrespectful to his wife and children.
BTW we do not know if Dennis had an addiction. It is possible that he was using them for a short time as prescribed and something went wrong.
Andy said Bravo was invited to bring cameras to Bobby’s funeral. Did anyone believe that Bravo would want to film a whole lot of people no one knew? Of course they wanted a piece on Jill and Bethenny interacting. It was the “money shot” of the funeral. Bethenny was really upset over Bobby’s passing and it can be seen in that footage. Bethenny haters are just looking for any reason to slam her. Are they on Carol’s payroll?
And by Jill’s own social media – she was very pleased by how Bravo handled it, and loved the love they showed Bobby.
Jill is a deranged sick fame whore. Can you believe when Dennis died she called in to Page Six to tell how sad she was? She didn’t know the guy. What a slimy sick woman she is.
And what sort of sicko, when they supposedly beloved husband is trotting away and dies, calls Bravo for a camera crew?
Yes, disgusting. I doubt Bobby’s family was happy with that. Glad Ramona and Dorinda protested how inappropriate it was.
Ramona and Dorinda don’t know what inappropriate in any context.
You do realize that Dorinda allowed her own husband’s funeral to be filmed by bravo cameras right? Dorinda also went to England with Carole to pick up her husband’s ashes, and that was filmed as well. It was Jill’s decision to make about Bobby’s funeral no one else’s. Jill is Bobby’s family. Jill invited camera crews and was happy with the outcome. Bobby was a beloved character on RHONY and this closure was nice. I think Bobby would have liked that. These women just used that to slam Bethenny and for no other reason, except maybe that they were jealous that they weren’t also asked to film the funeral. My guess is that if Dorinda and Ramona had been asked they would have jumped at the chance because they are the ones that are opportunistic. Team Bethenny all the way.
It is not Dorinda nor Ramona’s place to say what is appropriate or inappropriate. It does not matter what they think.
So, am I to assume you think Jill is a ‘sick’ woman?!?! FFS, calm down.
@Caylin: Dorinda’s husbands funeral was not filmed by Bravo. She wasn’t even on the show then.
I agree with the Carole London visit but it was many years ago and he was not on his way to the cemetery like Bobby was. Interrupt a funeral for Bravo ratings. Gross.
Jill wanted a tribute to Bobby on Bravo. I do not see anything wrong with that. Whatever gives Jill any degree of comfort at this time in her life is fine with me. Bethenny was right. It was about Jill and what she wanted, not about the mean girl dream team
Agree with this
Hi Carol.
Hehehe. If I have a slightly different opinion, I must be Carole. How Trumpian (carole would approve of me saying that… fark, maybe I am her).
I don’t like Carole. I have begrudgingly defended her this season, and only on some eps; other eps I thought she was suffering from cockheaditis.
Totally agree with the comment that it was the ‘money shot’, just said that agreeing to that for anyone would be beneath most ppl. Also that she knew he was dying for years and new that it was immanent at the end like the rest of us did. Not even a text. Definition of opportunistic.
Re: Drugs and Denis: He died of an OD, that’s misuse. Misuse, addicted, dependent, semantics. He died, there was a problem. He sent his maid to get Narcan, this wasn’t his first rodeo.
Totally tragic. Self-medication is something that should be met support and empathy. That goes for everyone! Including the half dozen ppl B has called out on television for having an issue; in an incredibly insensitive way.
It is not just “semantics.” Words matter. There is a huge difference between accidentally taking too much of a prescribed medicine and being an addict. In your original comment, you assume that Dennis is an addict, assume that Bethenny knew about it, and fault her for not saying anything. We don’t know the facts on any of that. You say people should receive support and empathy, but instead you are making assumptions and judging.
Agree. An accidental overdose does not make one an addict. Someone taking pain meds may take more because they are still in pain, but not thinking as clearly as they should.
His death is a tragedy for his loved ones. No need to bash him.
Totally disagree. Drugs killed him. The rest is inconsequential SEMANTICS now.
This is coming from a person with a past. I’m comfortably saying what I said. We see it as semantics. If drugs/alcohol is effecting you/your life in anyway and you still keep going; you’ve got a problem. He’s dead, whether he new it or not, there was a problem.
You are using the word addiction with negative judgement, claiming I’m using it negatively to label denis .I am not.
also there is psychological addiction and physical addiction. Ask any ex smoking – still thinking of a cig 5 years later. It is impossible to take ops for 3 years and not get a physical addiction.
SD, my issue with bethenny was the double standard. kinda like with you, you are attacking my POV for a man that OD on drugs; 3 years after surgery and died (after requesting the maid do a NARCON run), and my ‘assumption’ that he was an addict… While defending B for doing the exact same, with something far less, a castmate who drinks at work events, gets drunk and makes an asshat of herself…
DOUBLE STANDARD and BLIND ADHERENCE much?
Lastly, I never bashed Denis, my point was to say that ALL ppl battling drugs/substance/drink need SUPPORT, IT IS NOT A DIRTY THING – as opposed to the public TV flogging, ahem Bethenny.
What in the fuck matters what killed him???? He is deceased and it is no ones businesses discussing how or why in situations like this. He has family and loved ones and this is very disrespectful to them to assume. Even if you are correct… What do you want a fucking cookie? Or perhaps a golden star? WTF is wrong with you.
Maybe you and I are the same person. I got called Carole too. I’m not even slightly fond of Carole.
we could be. I would except being called Jaded 😉
People say that because they don’t have an intelligent comeback IMO.
I find your commentary disturbing. Tis all!
Hi Ramona!
woah those are some fighting words. Not going to engage further.
Who goes that low in an arguement. Not cool. Don’t be soo uncool.
Steph. Fantastic comments. Really articulate.
So true. I like B too. But the double standards are mind blowing.
And vitriol against Carole. Her age, her weight, her relationship, her career, is awful.
So true and Bethany is never geld to task for what she says about her castmates, because its apparantly so entertaining. That is why I loved Carol’s blogs so much. As mean.as they were they contained truth, much like Bethany’s on screen comments.
They criticize Luann for being tone deaf about racial stereotypes but give Dorinda a free pass on her extremely racist remarks about Haiti? Dorinda doesn’t believe they go to college in Haiti? Being a drunk is not an excuse, it just allowed her to show her true self. Carole’s hypocrisy was truly on display tonight.
Racist? No. She likely believed they were a 3rd world country and didn’t have those types of opportunities.
No, he had just said that his charities worked to get those young people to college, and she didn’t believe that was possible.
It wasn’t racist. You are assuming that Dorinda has ever read a newspaper. She is dumb as cement, a blue collar thug type who married a guy with money and spent 6 years with him. John is who Dorinda is (nothing against John, but dry cleaners are usually not glamor, even when their specialty is rich women’s underwear.
Haiti is a horrible country. Nothing racist about that
You are a horrible person. Nothing racist about that.
Jesus H Tamara. I have friends FROM HAITI that say it all the time. It’s terrible there and that’s why they are here now.
Presuming you are from the US, if someone from another country said America is a horrible country, which many people say every day in other countries for many valid reasons, would you find that to be a fair assessment of all the citizens of the US?
It reeks of calling Haiti a shithole country rather than a country where the citizens have been living with oppressive governments that mismanage relief funds and don’t care about the citizens.
Also, I’m glad to know you have black friends. That always bolsters ones argument.
So John is a dumb as cement blue collar thug? Sorry but I disagree. He’s established a good business for himself, which pulls in enough money to afford a unit in Manhattan and seems decent enough. Joe Giudice and his ilk are thugs.
Let’s not be classist instead of racist.
I suppose it could be construed as racist that she put down an entire nation of people and said ‘nothing good comes from Haiti’.
To me, it seemed more like ignorant ‘I know best’ syndrome. Carole was right she should have gone on home. Except it shouldn’t have been her choice to do so. I’m still surprised Bethenny didn’t kick her to the curb after that. I wonder what her real thoughts were about the PR people she was hugging and smiling at whilst dishing out aid?
Carole posing with Ramona, Dorinda, and Tinsley while announcing “I got your back! I got your back! and I got your back!” sums up the way this reunion went.
Shame on Carole, Slurinda and that pathetic Ramona!! Hateful old hags!!
Bethenny is tough, she handled THAT! I’m glad Andy supported her. Sonja was being nice to B, aside from that it was all incoming fire. Yeah, they are friends. Though Andy has helped the ganged up one at reunions across the HW franchise.
Andy does not have final say but Carole’s phone ringing and calling him full of shit per Reunion Pt2 preview, did not help I’m sure ?
I just saw on Jill Shields’ Instagram her post of starting the Dennis Shields Foundation, read her response in the comments for how she feels after his death.
I’m living for Carol telling andy that he’s full of shit. Not a good career move, but we all think it all the time and she actually had the balls to say it. Good for her! He deserves it!!
Lol!
I hope Carole thinks that it was worth telling Andy off (in the crudest way) as she is now jobless.
Ramona why is it so important that Bethenny support you?
You said you have 30 girlfriends you can call..Bethenny isn’t impressed with your latest business acumen…let it go…do your own thing.
Dorinda..I don’t like your look or your attitude. You seem so unsophisticated.
Carole..just illogical.
Sonja..you look beautiful.
Right on Mrsmoonlight.
Love the dresses,hair and makeup finally bravo got it right. Dorinda looked stunning drunk or not I’m buying what she’s selling. Honestly it was hard to follow these girls, with all the interrupting going on,but what do I know I’m not from New York .
Wow – that was something else. I loved how Sonja stood by Bethenny interjecting mild reasonable comments throughout. I was impressed with how B held it together and answered calmly. It was interesting to see the footage of her comforting people because comforter is not a role you think of with Bethenny. I think that was the only moment of the whole night where they gave her any credit. Not a good look for any of them. And how stupid… don’t they know you can’t take Bethenny down?
Loved B’s dress. Those stars were so pretty. But why have they been doing the washed out make-up on her? It’s aging her. She needs something a little brighter.
Please, Bravo, get rid of both Carole and Tinsley and bring back Jill and Heather or Jill and Jules.
heather? Is she the lady that was a “friend of Carole’s” at the marathon. That was so low.
I think there may be a chance of Jill coming back. Most audience members have forgiven or forgotten what she is like. I like Jill when she starts to ask a thousand questions as soon as she meets someone. It cracks me up.
I thought Bethenny looked stunning tonight–the best I’ve ever seen her look. There was a softness to her look I’ve rarely seen. Anyway, it’s clear that Bethenny has finally stopped mourning the loss of her friendship with Carole. All season we saw her so sad and I’m sure she hoped the friendship was salvageable, She’s over Carole for sure now!
I don’t like the ganging up we sometimes see on these shows. It’s appears they agreed to jump on Bethenny for everything and they looked like hags doing it. Andy definitely took Bethenny’s side but I think he was just trying to get the hags to see how they were all doing the same thing.
Carole, Dorinda and Ramona insisted they DO like Bethenny but they are lying. They hate her.
Ramona is the absolute worst! She is screaming, blaming, pointing fingers, giving horrible insults (fake boobs?!?!? Really?) I don’t know why she feels the need to list off her accomplishments. Great, she did some things 25-40 years ago. Wonderful. What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Bye, girl.
Dorinda is clearly an alcoholic. Classic example of deflection and who screams the loudest is the wrongest. ( I know wrongest isn’t a word.) Also, we were there when Dorinda says she will help B get the nutcracker, so when it showed up I assumed that Dorinda helped secure it. B says Dorinda saved Christmas. Done. Then the stupid dresses. Again, we were there for that! Why do you need constant praising? Sit down, girl.
Carole, ye of poor fashion taste, why are you involved in conversations that have nothing to do with your clothing choices. That and the marathon are your storylines. Don’t speak until spoken to. Take note from Tinsley. Shut it down, girl.
B!!! She is holding her own. Many people would have crumbled under the attack she endured, but that teflon coating is putting in some work!!! B isn’t perfect; however, considering what she was going through with Dennis’ pill popping, no wonder she was calling out people on their use of alcohol. She was surrounded by addicts. She was overly sensitive and scared. That AND dealing with Jason’s crazy is enough to keep anybody on edge. (Us Weekly is reporting that B is questioning if she will come back for the next season which is beginning to shoot soon. She will be a game time decision.) Stay strong, girl.
Sonja…I’ve got nothing. I’m loving your “Laugh In” look. Stay cute, girl.
Tinsley who?
I can’t wait until next week!
Cho 1 , I doubt Denny’s was addict, he was a very successful man who was dealing with horrible pain.
People can take pain meds daily for years and not be an addict.
I’m guessing it was Dennis day off Sunday he took to many this what the maid found in the morning.
Carole used to be one of my favorites until this year. Something in her life is making her miserable and I don’t think it’s Bethenny. It could be the breakup with Adam. There just seems to be an inner ugliness that hadn’t been there in the past.
As I have said many times, ad nausem, Bethenny started getting snarky with Carole during season 9. Watching it, I said to myself Carole is the next target? She sure was.
I will have to re-watch Season 9. I am rewatching Aviva’s last season to see the break-up between Aviva and Carole. Everyone thought Carol should just let it go but she couldn’t and wouldn’t stop talking about it. I mean Aviva was very Single White Female with Carole and freaked me out but still you need to move on and get along on some level with your coworkers.
They all looked beautiful and well put together, the other franchises should take note – this is how you coordinate reunion looks!
I agree with Ramona to the extent that it was tacky to film outside a funeral but I’d bet my last buck if Bethenny didn’t attend the funeral and Ramona was asked to film that scene instead, she would have done. I also think they made a fair point that B hasn’t been seen with Jill since, so I can get their scepticism on the authenticity of her reaching out.
I also think B is the type that thinks building someone else up weakens their own position, kinda like Nene. She doesn’t have to celebrate any one elses business but she also doesn’t have to attack everyones credentials. She too has had plenty of launch parties for products not yet in production…
Dorinda really missed the mark with her costume at halloween. She should have gone as Cleopatra as she’s constantly in denial.
Don’t forget Dorinda filing in London as a tribute to Richard and Carole filming her crocodile tears while picking up her hubs ashes, with Dorinda, in London, on film.
Oh I haven’t, although in fairness their situations were private, not outside a packed church full of unaware mourners and they didn’t sit in wait looking for someone to film with…
Did you ever wonder why Carole was just getting around to collecting her husband’s ashes years after he died? Was it OK for his ashes to just sit there all those years? And a whole show was about Carole and Dorinda paying tribute to them years after they died.
Also Andy said he sent them all an email about filming at Bobby’s funeral. He sent out a cast email. Jill didn’t choose to film with them. Oh, well. Stuff happens.
His remains were kept (along with many others remains) in a lovely room in the church that he went to when he was a child as per his wishes. She only collected them as the church was closing down. Is that enough of an answer for you?
Maybe you should think about why you and others are always making it a Bethenny v Carole thing. Did I take up for Carole in my post? Did I even mention her? No. I was commenting on what was discussed in the show. Next week when Carole’s mentioned I’ll comment on her. Using Carole Fucking Radziwill as a cross comparison to detract from Bethenny Frankel’s actions when she doesn’t even come into the equation is tired af. Get some new material y’all.
Sheesh!
Lol shut it you. ?
I’m beyond bored of this B & C nonsense. You’d swear they’re conjoined twins the way people feel the need to bring up the other one if you mention one of their names.
Touched a nerve, did I, GHL ? Carole screamed at her last night about Bobby’s funeral and yelled, “Who does that at a funeral, Bethenny?” Just thought Carole should remember that she did exactly that for a TV show with Slurinda.
BTW, I’ve never hid from the first season til today that I am team Bethenny. Always have been.
Not at all, I don’t hold any skin in this fight as Dorinda likes to say, its just genuinley tiresome repeating the same stuff over and over. Tell me you disagree with my opinion, I get that. Just come with a better argument than a comparison between those two when there is none. Carole and Dorinda have done PLENTY wrong and I hope they’re made to answer for that in the next ep. On the same note Bethenny has done plenty that has a lot of good behind it, she’s not satan lol. C&D filming tributes to their spouses is not comparable imo to Bethenny going to a funeral of a man she ignored for the best part of a decade with a camera crew in toe to film her going in and then waiting in a car afterwards for her cue to go on camera.
Carol made this season a Carol v Bethenny thing. Ramona and Dorinda jumped on that bandwagon because of their insecurities.
So we’re all on the Carole bus now and should follow her example? Nah.
Every move they make doesn’t have to be compared, especially when there’s zero correlation.
If Bethenny does something shady that’s on her. The same with Carole and the rest of the cast.
A portion of his ashes had been deliberately placed at the church as a permanent resting place. Subsequently, the church was sold, but they did not know how to reach Carole. He was buried in the age before cellphones and Carole moved five times in the interim. At around the time she started on the show they managed to contact her through her website, which, of course, also had not existed previously.
Seems strange they couldn’t find an award winning journalist what with her earning a Peabody and all. Seems like she would have been very easy to find, js.
Ramona, Dorinda and Carole are so jealous of Bethenny and her success they can’t see straight. I’m in agreement with a previous poster’s grandma– their behavior was most unattractive. Hysteria is not sexy!
Dorinda, I hope you read here, because you ARE a drunk! And you’re a MEAN drunk! An embarrassment to family and friends. I guarantee that your daughter sees you as an embarrassment and a PROBLEM. Get some help!
Sonja looked stunning.
I agree they are jealous — Carole and Dorinda do not have careers, let alone successful careers in recent memory. And Ramona — even if some of Bethenny’s products were unsuccessful, at least she was capable of bringing them to market. Ramona has not achieved that with the face cream she wants everyone to celebrate.
Carole showed her true self from the very beginning — with the nastiest look on her face every time Bethenny spoke. And she topped if off by cursing at Andy.
George’s Washington called Slurinda, he wants his wig back.
Tinsley contributes absolutely nothing to this show.
Cheryle, let’s say it louder, TINSLEY = NOTHING TO THIS SHOW.
Hopefully Bravo will hear it and do the famous Apollo Theatre – Hook & Boot Off the Stage, Bitch! move.
LOL!! Your funny Chris!!!
I wonder if she chose to stay silent because she didn’t want to compete with the three crazies shouting over each other. Even Bethenny had trouble getting a word in. They clearly came to attack Bethenny. She couldn’t even thank them for supporting her charity without being attacked.
Didn’t both Carole and Dorinda film themselves in London where Richard died and Carole filmed herself picking up her hubs ashes? So they could film that but Bethenny filming part of Jill’s funeral for her hubby, at Andy Cohen’s behest, was just selfish of Bethenny? They are hypocrites and back stab bees.
Good point, Kinkerbelle. Carole & Dorinda are hypocrites.
Ironically it was the only time I felt anything for Carole in all the seasons she’s been on.
And Dorinda had the cameras film her at Richard’s gravesite on the anniversery of his death. Of course Carol was there too. So much for the “I would never do that!”.
Richard didn’t die in London. Picking up ashes was showing Carole’s life. Showing Dorinda at Richard’s gravesite on Veterans Day is showing her life and honoring him the man she loved. When a good and decent, loving man isn’t even buried yet is totally disrespectful. That’s the difference.
Agree. Carole and Dorinda loved the ones they chose to pay tribute to on the show. Bethenny ignored Bobby all the way through his terminal illness. But that’s just conveniently forgotten.
FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, Jill and Bobby talked about this before he died. They planned his funeral together. They discussed RHONY and decided that the fans deserved closure since he was on the show and very much liked. We were invited guest through the camera. The obvious person to film with Jill was Bethenny. This wasn’t Bethenny arriving at a funeral with a TV camera trying to exploit someone’s funeral. It was a planned tribute to Bobby by Jill and Bobby.
Sorry TT, not gonna agree with you on this one. Cue the ” you’re dumb” comments 😛
I don’t think anyone has a problem with Jill showing Bobby’s funeral. I’m unsure where you got that information from though as I distinctly remember her talking about showing the funeral on TV in a number of interviews saying that “he would have approved”, not that they’d talked about it in great detail. The issue the ladies have and I agree with, is that instead of showing Jill, the scene revolved around Bethenny. Whether you’re a fan of B or not, facts are facts – B cut all contact with the Zarin’s and wouldn’t even visit the man when he was on his death bed. If B suddenly giving a rats ass about Bobby at the same time there was cameras hovering about to catch her ‘come to Jesus’ moment rings true to you, thats your prerogative. It screams fake af to me. Like she said herself, she’s text Jill in the 6 months since his death “a couple of times”… that’s one hell of a reconcilliation lol.
You’re dumb./tongue sticking out emoji goes here.
Hahaha, love you too boo!
Perfect example of Bethanny narcissism: At Bobby Zarin’s funeral, Jill says crying, “I am alone for the first time since I was 20 years old!” Bethanny responds, “I’m alone too!”. Who gives a fuck if you are alone Beth? Huh? How is that consolation to a person that loss a partner of over 30 years?
In Ramona vs Bethenny, I am on Bethenny’s side. Ramona is clearly so jealous of Bethenny’s success.
I was happy Sonja was sticking up for Bethenny against Ramona. Sonja and Bethenny both looked so calm and rational. Ramona was losing it and couldn’t even keep her seat. And when she called out B for getting a boob job when she herself has gotten one, haha!
Bethenny looked great! She was showing a little too much cleavage for my taste, but I loved her hair and her star earrings. As someone said, she looked softer.
I thought it was also a good point when Bethenny said when she speaks to women, she doesn’t want to give a false impression that starting a product line is easy.
Ramona talked about the dark bruise on her face, but I thought it looked like Dorinda had a bruise on the left side of her face (to our right), or maybe it was just the blush she was wearing. On previous occasions, I’ve noticed what looks like a gray smudge on some of them. Is that a new makeup trend? Or are the TV lights causing that?
I was glad Andy was trying to keep Ramona/Dorinda in check.
Bethenny has the best boobs of all those women, absolutely awesome.
She must have had them redone. They are definitely better.
Facial bruises are from injections bursting a vein somewhere. Fillers on the cheek, eye, etc. Even botox does it once in a great while. But the fillers..! No way Ramona walked into a door or got hit. Those bruises can go deep, linger, and are a nice shade of gray for a long time. Not like I know from personal experience or anything.
The bruises were from her car accident in the Hamptons. The airbag got her in the face.
Well, the car accident was in May 2018. Guess the facial bruises were that old and deep? OK.
Or maybe I’m an idiot. Ramona was answering fan questions on social media and someone asked about the bruise and she said it was from the airbag from the car accident. The weekend of May 26th. There reunion was filmed on July 17th. That is almost two months later. That doesn’t seem to add up to a “minor fender bender).
I didn’t look up the dates because I stupidly believed Ramona. RAMONA!
That said, if she had her head turned to look at her phone on the passenger seat when she was rear ending people the bruise’s location would make sense. And as we age bruises are slower to heal and we bruise more easily.
So? Who knows.
Agree. But that Ramona! My sinister self can’t help it.
Great recap TT. Thanks!
Right out of the gate Carole yelled, “It’s the Dream Team!” when it was just herself, Dorinda, Ramona, and Tinsley. Then, when Bethenny entered Carole gave her Stank Spider Monkey Face.
Totally planned gang up against Bethenny.
I think Ramona & Dorinda gained courage, to take on B, due to Carole being on the outs with B.
Seems like phone calls & meetings took place where Carole vented to them and encouraged negative energy.
Ramona was a joke. She had no storyline this season, yet she wouldn’t shut up at the reunion and was busting at the seams to voice “opportunist” when Bobby’s funeral was mentioned. Dorinda & Carole chimed in regarding B. having to be “on camera”, but it backfired when Andy stated that Jill invited filming.
It didn’t matter that three took on one, because B has the biggest dick and she will always find their “don’t hurt me spot”, to which they slither off to go lick their wounds.
Bethenny: Mic Drop!
Right on the money. I kept thinking of a monkey and you nailed it. Also she reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where one time Jerry sees a woman and she is attractive, next time hideous. Never knew which Carole was showing up that day. She was a jerk to let it go on so long with Adam. I have gone out with much younger guys and you gotta let em go. Now she is bitter and aging. not a good combo.Each time someone had a conflict with Bethany, she would chase them down in the hopes of having a Bethany Bashing session. When Bethany was on the first time (Scary Island) and then when she had her show with ex she was hard to watch. I have enjoy her this time. Ramona is a joke. She needs to go next.
I think Carole was wrong to get involved with Adam in the first place. He’s a kid and she’s delusional. I agree with the Bethenny bashing regarding Carole. Also, she probed Dumb Dumb Tinsley into showing Dorinda the Scott Invite Text then switched seats at the Cabaret show just to get Dorinda’s motor revved up. Blatant mean girl antics. Will NOT miss the monkey face girl.
As I’ve said, Carole is on my shit list, but Adam is 32 years old, that’s not “a kid”. He’s much younger than she is, 23 years to be exact, but I wouldn’t call a 30 something year old a kid. Nobody thinks it’s crazy if a man dates a woman 20 years younger, a 55 yr old man dating a 30 something woman, that’s just fine, but when a woman does it it’s not ok?
I had no issue with two grown adults dating. They are both grown.
The age factor comes in much like Ashley and Michael – early on I believe Carole mentioned Adam eventually wanted kids, when that isn’t in Carole’s future.
If Adam wanted to be childless from the get-go, I have no problem with them being together despite the age difference. I thought it was a mistake to take it beyond a couple of months of casual, friends with benefits type of relationship because of THAT. I’d feel the same if the ages and desire to have children were reversed.
The reason I think of him as a kid, even though he was 28, is that he was a very “young” 28, in a “what do I want to be when I grow up?” phase.
He was sleeping on school mates’ sofas and getting jobs cooking for their parents.
He lived in a shit-hole and got around on a bike. These are reasons he fits the “kid” name.
Carole by contrast was well mature beyond her 52 years! Not a fun-loving bon vivant like Sonja or Luann (who will NEVER be old! ) Carole is never up for adventure. She likes to stay at home.
To each his own, Erica, but I will always think of Adam as a kid. He was dating Lulu’s niece and I believe they were around the same age. Carole is old enough to be his mother and to me, he’s a kid compared to her.
Look, there comes a point when the animalistic sexual desire wears off and then people have to actually talk with each other. One would hope that a significant other would be an equal partner regarding maturity level, worldly perspectives, intellect, and understanding of each other’s humor, and all the things that make up average conversations. Carole stooped to low level writing skills in order to share a project with Adam. She dummied herself down in order to boost his ego and pretend that he’s special. I think she lied to herself. When that happens resentment raises its’ little head. All because she wasn’t honest with herself, in the first place, to realize he was way too young for her.
I guess being with a much younger guy brings some sort of validation of one’s worth and empowers heightened feelings of self-esteem. Some women openly envy and speak of their desire for cougar status. I’m sure she had a lot of fun, feeling young, blending with his circles of friends, traveling around. I would bet she would have never wanted it to end.
Lu wanted Adam for herself. Why he was there cooking without the niece present. Lu was jealous he had interest in Carole and livid Carole stole Adam from right under her nose. She really overreacted on this for a long, long time. Even called Carole a pedophile. Notice how Lu never blamed Adam only Carole? Makes sense IMO.
I meant to respond to Shae, not Erica, sorry.
Spunky, are you on crack? Adam was Lu’s employee and that is when he started dating her niece. Lu has no interest in dating the help.
Seriously, were you on something when you made these comments last night?
“Stank face” — perfect description.
@TT: No not on anything except Lipton tea. Lu carried on for years so emotional about the Adam/Carole thing that it seemed really odd. It looked like jealousy IMO. So what he was the hired help?
He was Luann’s niece’s boyfriend. It inspired the song Girl Code. To think it was jealousy is absurd. Luann would not date anyone “beneath her” as she would see Adam to be.
Bethenny’s assessment of Carole and her relationship with Adam must’ve struck a chord with Carole. She’s been drifting. She put her own goals on the back burner for her relationship. Maybe a harsh wakeup call, but she will be better off for it. I like them both.
Same thing with Dorinda. She knows her drinking is out of control, she’s defensive and won’t admit it on the show. But there’s no way she is working out and getting in shape and still drinking like she was. Without John as a stabilizer this season, Dorinda let the world see her dark side.
Bethenny does need a stronger crew of women to film with. I’d like to see her challenged in a more productive and balanced way.
She’s still working out and drinking. Her face is bloated. BIG TIME. She may be doing other stuff to keep her awake, or not. I used to pound vodka, pass out, and get up the next day to do cross fit. Flipping tires, dead lifting more than I weighed, etc. Sweat bullets. That was at 53. At 55, I stopped the booze, and can do the workout with a clear head. But believe me, it can be done.
I think Dorinda is frightfully insecure. I also read her husband Richard, who worked with Soros, used to embarrass her in public, put her down, etc. In her grief, perhaps she hasn’t examined the source of her hair trigger when she feels threatened on a national stage.
And while we could all see her melting down this season, would a real friend confront her on camera? Maybe she denies in public, but knows she needs help. Not making excuses for her, just trying to see beyond the vicious behavior, and hope she checks herself before she wrecks herself.
Sorry, kk, that post was meant to go elsewhere.
I believe you drank like a fish and punished yourself at Crossfit the next day. But I don’t believe Dorinda is capable of that kind of commitment. She seems physically slothful.
Carol had said she was pissed at Bethany for going behind her back contacting her boyfriend. But, they were split up then. Even if not split, Bethany needs permission to call him ? For the name calling & back stabbing, Bethany is just suppose to sit back & take it ? Do believe carol started with the snarky comments. Loved watching those 2 together, they seemed to laugh all the time and enjoy each other. Watching carol this season was weird, like invasion of the body snatchers. Who the hell is this person ?? So mean & nasty. The family knows about Mr. Shields it’s their business, death is hard they surely don’t need all this wild speculation. Little compassion goes a long way. Seems society has forgotten that lately.
Eh…She gave Ramona are hard time for texting Tom!! B is very quick to point out others faults but incapable of seeing her own, I really think she doesn’t have much self awareness…
Oh, and have you guys seen Carole potentially joining the View being sprayed into the ether? I don’t dislike her but can’t imagine anyone more boring. She’s informed, which is good, but her demeanor etc- just so boring.
Carole told Dorinda that she had been contacted about turning her book about guide to dating for widows into a tv series .
I think that is what she is counting on.
Joy and Whoopi would eat her alive.
Except they share the same political views(lol-no pun intended)… so it would probably be boring.
Whoopi switches. And despite being an award winning journalist, Carole doesn’t seem to keep facts and figures on the tip of her tongue to help her in an argument. Joy, being a former teacher, does her research it seems and manages to put it appropriately in her side of the debate.
I could be wrong – I get a headache watching half the time and haven’t watched much in the last several years.
Agree. I think Whoopi would say no way to Carole at the table.
She is smart, but not quick. She things long and ploddingly to reach her conclusions. She is far far better off writing than being televised.
She can’t be clever off-the-cuff and she sits with her mouth agape while listening. Just not television material.
Excellent assessment!
I feel the Housewife Era is coming to a slow end. All of them. The shows used to be funny and enlightening to fun to watch for entertainment. No I would rather watch paint dry or clean than view them. I rarely watch them and when I do, it’s just for a few short minutes. I just read TT’s recaps 🙂 All of the shows are just so dark now and it’s about forming teams and gaining up on the other team. This is the same with all of the franchises. I find Below Deck and Southern Charm are much more entertaining. There is enough hatred and self destruction in our world, no need to watch more of it. Just sayin…
I kind of agree. Among many of the OG’s there is this deep negativity that takes away from the fun. They are too cynical and self aware, desperate to monetize their platforms and to cement their status. I am a B fan though…would like to see her get off HWs and establish another show that is healthier for her, just not real estate b/ I’m so over all real estate shows, esp on Bravo.
Too bad B’s talk show sucked..,
I feel the same way though, she’s very entertaining. Maybe a show where she commented on things? Like Joel McCale or Tosh?
Or a show like The Profit.
I agree with both of you- the deep negativity part is what bums me out. I lived to watch NY- get out of my life, see what a big city can do. But the mean girl lack of civility has soured the whole thing.
I completely agree with the above. RHONY was one of the HW franchises that was still watchable, unlike Jersey and OC. Even the BH ladies have had some crashingly awful seasons now.
Bravo assumes we want to see endless cat-fighting and bad-mouthing but it has become relentless and toxic. As Elleno said, the HWs are being strategic, forming alliances and selling stuff instead of being themselves.
Bethenny is articulate and witty but she uses gas-lighting to manipulate and is too arrogant and domineering to be likeable, IMHO.
Yeah, she needs to make fun of somebody cuz it is funny! However, it needs to be someone deserving of it, not friends that she is weathier than etc. Perhaps she needs to get off the show and do a radio show like Jenny McCarthy?
Or maybe shecould be a political commentator with this current that would be hillarious!!! Or maybe she could sneak into parties of the rich and famous and tell us all what these peopme are really like?! That would all be fun and not so personal.
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It appears to me that Ramona, Carole, and Dorinda had a clear plan to go after Bethenny non stop at the reunion. Funny thing they didn’t expect though, Andy was not having it! The look he gave Carole when her phone went off, priceless! Wasn’t Bethenny’s tag line a couple years ago that if you come for her (this B), you better not miss? They all missed!!
Carole even gave him a heads up by crying out “Dream Team, Dream Team” before they sat down (and before B was there)
So glad she is not coming back, fired whatever the situation is
Yeah, dream team is right- They are top of the roster to bring us to Snoozeville.
She has the mentality of a junior high mean girl. She needs to get help.
No wonder she and Adam were well suited.
Except he was more mature in age and manners.
Why is Tinsley Twinkle Toes still on this show?? She brings nothing! She should have been fired along with Carole.
Ramona is an idiot. Didn’t we have to live through the fiasco’s of Sonya’s dog memorial and Carole/Dorinda going to London to get Carole’s late husband’s ashes? Those ashes would probably still be in London if it hadn’t been for the show filming it. I’m glad Bethanny went to Bobby’s funeral..Maybe it will be a new start for her and Jill.
Dorinda is so in denial. I still think we will be reading of her death here on TT’s site if she doesn’t get some help. She is not looking well.
Did no one else notice Reunion Ramona watching the clip of herself at the Halloween party in her Brittany latex costume – at about 13 minutes into the show – and visibly flipping off the camera when Bethenny says, “When you start being successful at something, call me”? I did, but only because I’m actively avoiding my paying work today. Also because I’m still mired in the depths of the ennui that I plunged into with the realization that Carole is STILL trying to make fetch happen. Carole, stop trying to make fetch happen. It’s never going to happen!
I liked all the outfits too except for Carol’s. Her style this year has been Grandma’s Lace Tablecloth Couture. There was so much talking-over on this episode I turned on the closed captioning and I would highly recommend it! Andy was beyond pissed at Carol when her phone dinged and I was loving it! They certainly came for Bethenny, except Sonja, but she was able to hold her own. Dorinda is beyond delusional. I can’t wait for next week to see what her answer is.
why did Bethenny say “I’ve already been to one intervention this weekend” who was she talking about? was she talking about Dennis. that part really confused me.
LuAnn
Luanne.
The weekend before the reunion filmed Luann called Bethenny and she met with Luann and some of her real friends and convinced her to go to treatment. Bethenny was there to handle talking to Bravo about her absence on the reunion and to handle some of her show related stuff. She also put out a press release for her.
I thought she meant Dorinda. That’s why she didn’t want to go there yet again about Dorinda’s drinking at the reunion.
After having been to LuAnne’s intervention over the weekend.
Let’s not forget how rage filled Carol was at LuAnne when LuAnne dared to make her opinions known about Carol and Adam. Carol spent years spewing hatred towards LuAnne for that…then Bethenny made the mistake of turning a critical eye towards Adam and that was the end of the friendship of Bethenny and Carol. Carol likes to play like she’s this fancy free woman supporting feminist but at the first sign of anyone talking about her man, the women are thrown to the wolves.
I found it very telling during the season when Carol had that tea with Luann and mentioned that they hadnt had a one on one discussion in three years….. hold a grudge much?
I wouldn’t appreciate being called a pedophile, would you?
When did she call her a pedophile? Luanne said Adam’s young, Sonja young. Carole took off with the pedophile label. Of course I may be wrong, but hopefully you can enlighten me when she said it. Ive googled it off and on over the years and never found anything to support Carole’s claim.
TT said: “Ramona is screaming like a banshee and she literally put her hands on Sonja’s mouth to keep her from speaking. I would have broken her arm for that just as a natural reflex.”
OMG! I just couldn’t believe Ramona. Sonja should have punched her in her FAKE TITS!
The nerve of thinking it’s okay to put your hand over someone’s face/mouth???? Wonder if she did that to Mario? AND what was up with Mario calling? Are they getting back together?
I can’t believe Sonja just sat there. If anyone did that to me it would just be a natural reflex to defend myself. I would have done the same thing when she was leaning over Sonja to get to Bethenny.
That said Sonja was great on the show. Perhaps she took a Xanax. She stood up for Bethenny just enough without being an ass kisser.
Regarding Ramona, TT said, “I would have done the same thing when she was leaning over Sonja to get to Bethenny”
Ramona is the rudest bitch! I was hoping Sonja would lean forward and knock mona off the coach along with her waters and her purse!
I agree that Sonja was a more contained personality than we’ve seen in past reunions. Hope that doesn’t change in Part 2 of the Reunion.
Honestly, Xanax was the first thing I thought of. I remember a deposition I did where I was videotaped. Upon reviewing it, even with vitriol spewed toward me, I was happy/calm. All due to that little pill.
Ramona was wrong on that one.
I’m confused. Carol, Ramona and Dorinda accused Bethany of being opportunistic for filming her interaction with Jill at Bobby’s funeral. They also complained that Bethany thanked Dorinda for getting the nutcracker off camera . At this point I think no matter what Bethany says or does the three will find fault in anything.
The point being Bethenny only uses the cameras if it’s self serving..She isn’t one for ‘bigging’ up others achievements or successes, if anything she finds fault and slates them all! Apparently she is the only one to have ever achieved anything ?
Geeze…. I forgot to say thanks TT for a great recap and getting it up so quickly!!!
Does your thank you count if your not doing it on camera? ?
Now that i’m thinking about it…Ramona wasn’t mad that Bethenny didn’t “support” her ‘skin care’ party… she’s pissed cuz B didn’t show up/acknowledged it. Cuz she knows B = camera time. No B = not much camera time/attention. Hah! Oh Ramona….so desperate
I also don’t understand how Dorinda doesn’t watch her drunken scenes… even just the cartagena one alone… and be completely embarrassed. – btw – i still don’t understand why Luanne would owe Dorinda an apology… If Dorinda feels guilty/like Lu is trying to preach to her..i’d say that’s a personal problem.
I’m sorry but when did the number of friends you have become an indicator of the type of person you are? Ramona has 30 and is still a vile human being and if they are her friends, I question the type of people they are.
I love your comment. You are right on the money. Well done.
I remember Sonja saying, “Rent-A-Crowd” when Ramona professed to have 30 friends she could call anytime. Sonja slipped that one in during one of Ramona’s rants.
That is hilarious.
What Ramona and Dorinda seem to forget is they think Sonja is too drunk t remember things but she is actually the truth teller.
Dorinda and her coke, Ramona and her paid friends. I bet Sonja has so much on those bitches.
Ï so agree with not judging the type of person you are, with the amount of friends you have. It does not correlate. Some of the most vile people Ive known, have a lot of friends, and a ton of party pals. They think that proves something or acts as a cover, for how cruel and toxic they really are. Some awesome and genuine people Ive known, are more loners and keep to themselves. Some people devote more to just family and their partner. Some of us have been hurt by frenemies, and are very self protective now too.
TT, I have a real question about Twitter. I lurk there and love it. Last night everyone came for Carole on Twitter. They dragged her, hard too. I went this morning and all of those tweets are gone. So did Carole go in and erase them? If so, it must have been like an all day sucker cause the bad comments went on forever.
Today she has her pinned tweet where she says it’s all about Bethenny’s lies about the “red scarf guy” who plainly said he came to be with Bethenny. Carole is all about exposing her as a liar but not a single negative comment from viewers. Did she just erase them? I don’t drink now because I’m older so it wasn’t a mirage I saw last night but dozens upon dozens of negative comments to Carole.
#FakeNews #PlantedStory #RussianPropoganda #MakeAmericaGreatAgain
Haha, I kid I kid! I think they hire PR to remove negative threads from their social media, I remember Siggy doing the same.
They do use social media managers. So to more of an extent than others. Bethenny tweets a lot and you can tell it is her. But she also has someone to keep up with cleaning off the negativity and maintaining order while she works and vacations with her kid.
Some HWs like LVP never tweet or use social media and hire a proxy to do it all.
LVPs fans…ugh.
As of this morning, Bethenny has up the red heart and the words, Thank You on a black background. I assume it’s for the kindness of people in response to losing Dennis.
I will miss Carol. I enjoyed her perspective and her comments. 30 years ago I was dreaming of having a life like her. Her apartment is to die for as a single woman in NYC. She is as successful as she is humble. Carol has always been a good friend and loyal. Sometimes we hold grudges for too long. I think She did this by saying “it’s not that deep” while stewing about what went wrong. Bethenny can’t have a conversation without holding you hostage with her opinions and emotions. This has to take a toll on any relationship after a while. It’s sad. I wish them both well.
Well said. Basically the difference in their personalities came to a head.
For all Dorinda’s airs, she keeps revealing herself to be a slackjawed fool. Bethenny was ungracious? Just what do you call being invited to a dinner and proceeding to malign someone who is facilitating aid for an impoverished and disaster stricken country? She’s pickled her brain in vodka, has a vicious mean streak and I’m sick of seeing her and her tacky Christmas décor on my tv screen…
I think Dorinda is frightfully insecure. I also read her husband Richard, who worked with Soros, used to embarrass her in public, put her down, etc. In her grief, perhaps she hasn’t examined the source of her hair trigger when she feels threatened on a national stage.
And while we could all see her melting down this season, would a real friend confront her on camera? Maybe she denies in public, but knows she needs help. Not making excuses for her, just trying to see beyond the vicious behavior, and hope she checks herself before she wrecks herself.
I loved all of the dresses except Carole’s.
I do think Sonja’s was too tight across the bust. She should have gone up several sizes and then had the lower part taken in. She probably wouldn’t have even needed to take in the sleeves as her arms could have a little breathing room.
That was a serious mean girls [email protected] fest. I can’t stand people who punctuate their sentences with the other person’s name. The way Dorinda and Carole would say Bethenny’s name, nails on a chalkboard.
Dorinda is a ugly person. She reminds me of that friend who only makes it good so you fawn over her and god forbid if you don’t cause a simple thank you is just not grateful enough. She is not gracious and the ugly faces she made at Lu’s show, showed her true self. Ugly person.
Carole is one of those women I loathe. She touts her feminism and yet the moment you make a negative about her ex/booty call/boy toy, she’ll cut a [email protected] out of her life. I’m not giving Bethany clearance here but if you are going to call someone out, be prepared to rfilr a claim on the glass walls you built your house out of
Im a little surprised no one is speculating about Jill returning next year. Seemed to me with the way they were talking about making peace with Jill that the road was being paved for her return next season, even Andy commenting on an email he got from her before the reunion.
BTW, I always found Bethenny a little too snarky for my tastes, but this year after seeing her charity work, and all she did to help out in Puerto Rico and other places, I am 100% team B. I think she gets a huge pass for much of her behavior because I can’t imagine the emotions and stress she was under. Carol mentioned something on the show, and I wish I could remember what episode, about B wanting B Strong to be Carol’s charity for the marathon but she picked something else. But Carole said she matched all the money she raised for that charity and gave it to B Strong. Wondering if that started the thorn in B’s side that festered. At the time, she was starting to raise money for the hurricanes relief and I bet she really wanted the exposure for her charity.
One last note, seems like B is the one the cast cries to. They showed a couple of those scenes at the reunion but left out her comforting Luanne too. She’s snarky but she seems to always support the under dog and she comforts them when they need it.
I don’t know if I can do RHONY if Saint Bethenny of Tribecca returns with her storyline of not only am I a mover and shaker, I’m a giver and want everyone to know!
well let’s hope then she keeps her charity work private, and doesn’t use any of her celebrity or reality tv platform to raise any more money for people in need. (insert eyeroll here)
I have rewatched some earlier episodes oof RHONY and it is quite interesting to see how some of the women were then. Sonja has never changed. To see the episode part when Ramona and Bethenny walks over the Brooklyn bridge felt so sad, and the look of Ramona’s face before the walk waiting for Bethenny is actually scary-looking.
I never liked Kelly Bensimon very much, but I have to say that I really felt for her regarding raising her children alone a lot while her ex-husband was away all the time. A friend of mine dated Giles Bensimon (too long), and the way he dumps women is not cool, plus there are a lot of stories out there about him and models he worked with that are quite unclassy.
After re-watching Part I of this Reunion I believe Dorinda, Carole, and Ramona’s main beef’s with Bethenny are:
1. Beth called Dorinda out for being a drunk. Dorinda didn’t like it.
Yet Bravo called Dorinda out by showing footage of Dorinda in action.
Also, Lulu only had to say, ‘it’s starting’ and that set Dorinda off!
I could see Dorinda’s venom filled eyes taking aim at Beth, the same eyes that took aim at Lulu during the Cabaret.
Dorinda deflected any ownership of her drunkenness.
Carole supported the denial by telling Beth not to ‘call someone a drunk on national TV’. Ramona backed the denial by saying ‘no one at the reunion is a drunk’.
Dorinda in denial is a very, very ugly look.
2. Beth didn’t give a big enough “thank you”, ON FILM, to Dorinda, for finding the nutcracker. Yet Dorinda had a problem with Beth BEING FILMED with Jill at Bobby’s funeral?
Dorinda is a Glory Hound.
3. Ramona wants to be acknowledged as a great business woman & entrepreneur. Ramona’s butt hurt because Beth will not scratch that itch for someone with non-existent product.
Ramona pouts repeatedly and loudly.
4. Carole has come to the reunion to spew hate on Beth.
Carole wants everyone to hate Beth.
The cast members, whom wanted more camera time, piled in on hating Beth.
More ‘Carole leading the Pack Of Haters’ on Part II of the Reunion.
Didn’t Bethany offer Luann some sort of assistance with her people in handling media ? Something like that ? When they had that dinner and Ramona sent out a photo of them all . Sorry , the mind is the first to go . Yep, love Bethany used to love carol.
TT, judging from the reunion, Bethenny and Ramona are beyond done. What do you think Haymaker is going to do? I can see Bethenny refusing to film with Ramona, the OG of the show, so I wonder how they’re going to handle next season. What do you think?
I don’t think Bethenny would refuse to film with Ramona. I don’t think it would bother her at all! But I could see Ramona thinking she has clout and trying to claim OG status and making a demand or two. Not that they would consider it of any importance.
I agree with Floridagirl Bethenny has never refused to film with anyone. She has refused to attend certain events.
Ramona is a floater. With Carole gone she will float right back over to Bethenny’s side. So will Tinsley. Dorinda will be too drunk to notice that Carole is gone. The new girl will be Bethenny friendly.
RE: Bobby Zarin’s Funeral.NO ONE HAS REALLY ADDRESSED THIS. The truth of the matter is, Jill, nor anyone at Bravo gave two shits about the other cast members being filmed. (At home, re watching reunion…)It was crystal clear that Ramona and Dorinda were PISSED that they were not filmed. And, they were not, because neither Jill, production, or the FANS gave a rats ass about them. This, I believe, is one of the major reasons they have a problem with B. Jealousy, yes. But it’s more than that. They are angry that they are marginalized. We don’t care Ramona that you were a “loyal friend”; because really, you are an ass. We want the make up shot of the two “founders”. THIS, alone, caused a huge rift. You can see that B understands it, appreciates it, and the others are left in the dust.
Ramona was especially pissed because if Bethenny had opted to stay in Aspen she would have filmed with Jill at the funeral. She went on Jill’s girls trip with her and twenty of her closest friends right after he funeral.
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