Just before the tragic news about Dennis Shield’s passing came out, Carole was on Twitter tweeting about her life problems are real and Bethenny’s problems are “rich white girl problems.”
What is it with Carole and Dorinda and their need to win some sort of pain and suffering contest? Bethenny’s life certainly ain’t been no crystal stair. She went through a horrific divorce that lasted forever. She feels the need to have a protective order against her ex that may have expired. Her dog died. She was a royal mess in Cartegena over the protective order. She was moving. And now her boyfriend has died.
Clearly, Carole is jealous of Bethenny’s financial success and thinks that means that life’s tragedies shouldn’t effect her.
Once the news broke about Dennis, the tweet was deleted.
EDITED TO ADD: Ironically, today is the 19th anniversary of Anthony Radziwill’s death.
Second Edit:
Carole is such a bitter old troll ugh!
Sorry but Bethenny started all of the sht with every single cast member. She has blocked all of them except for Sonja, who used to be dead to her. Bethenny MOCKED both Carole and Dorinda for not getting over their dead husbands. And Bethenny has been on a Twitter tirade this week attacking Ramona, Carole, Luann and Sonja. This B is an angel BS is just that utter bullshit. She is vile, venomous, and dishonest. Read Carole’s, Ramona’s and Dorinda’s bravo blogs, they itemize all of B’s lies and bring their ‘receipts’. Even tje red scarf guy posted BS texts. She lies, always has. Look at what she did to her ex. That guy was nothung short of sweet, caring and loving in both RHONY and her solo shows. And PS: Carole is worth double B’s net worth. Tinsley is worth triple. So zero jealousy, it’s just Bethenny fatigue.
Hey Jason…..you are still a dick!
Hi Bethenny!
Hi Carole!
Eh I was feeling you until the end. Tinsley maybe – that’s a mystery – but Carole doesn’t live in a living room with a staircase because she feels like it.
I’m torn when it comes to B. She seems rational and intelligent and funny sometimes, but the bottom line is that we’ll never get to know what she’s like behind closed doors. What she did in PR was great, but it doesn’t negate her personality defects that prevents her from having friendships and relationships.
I think her calling Carole out for being fired was really, really rotten. You can’t expect B to say something like that, and then all of a sudden Carole is a mean old troll for responding in kind? Obviously the Dennis situation changes things, but she had the tact to remove the tweet.
I don’t get the sudden tide of Carole hatred. She’s always been calm, a seemingly good friend, and stayed away from being condescending and nasty and elitist and a thousand other horrible things she could do and be – so why is it necessary to label her “mean” or a “troll”? Just because she doesn’t want to be friends with someone that has a history of not being able to maintain friendships?
That living room with a staircase costs a ridiculous amount of money. And it’s not her only home.
Where is her other house and why wasn’t it shown on the show like all of the rest of the “ladies?” Carole is a pretentious snooze fest. And she didn’t “bury” her friends. The had families. Get over yourself.
I get a kick out of people who pretend to know someone’s net worth. Ridiculous.
You are ridiculous Carolyn, JFK Jr’s wife was Carolez BFF & Carole s husband was Johns cousin They died THREE WEEKS BEFORE HER HUSBAND DIED. Are you stupid?
A little put off? Mor just defensive Carold? I would never walk up those shitty looking stairs. So, do you stay on Readcrest Drive when you are in California. That place needs some serious renovation!
she paid less than $500,000 for it over 20 years ago its 900 sq feet.
And your point is?
I agree with you 100%. Maybe the tide turned in their friendship when Carole refused to be Bethenny’s mouthpiece regarding Jason. B supposedly had a gag order but that didn’t extend to Carole. And that would explain why they never gave real reason for fallout.
I doubt the falling out had an ounce to do with Jason- who is not the monster he has been portrayed as. (Not buying the dog in the storage unit BS). I think it was politics that broke them up.. Carol is rabidly, irrationally anti-Trump family. Bethenny was not and her Puerto Rico “team” had lots of financial/ logistical help form the T family and their friends- some of whom are her friends too. And they did so quietly – except Bethenny. Of course Carol would not be interested in Bethenny’s PR relief efforts knowing that the funding largely came from people she loathes.
I hope that Carol has called B. I bet she has. If she has I hope B was receptive. As much as I rag on Bethenny I would not wish the grief that comes with the unexpected loss of someone close on anyone. Death is the great leveler. She’ll live on and be the insufferable pain in the ass she has always been and Carol will still be annoying as f, but at this moment B needs a friend who has walked this road. Carol has.
I wouldn’t wish Carole’s form of empathy on anyone – she was pretty cold when Tinsley started crying too, and she also caused those tears with that psychoanalysis.
I’m hoping Jill gives her a call. Jill would just say I’m so sorry Bethenny, I know this hurts. She wouldn’t go into “I was actually married to Bobby” or “It is harder to lose a husband”
What the fuck are you even talking about? Trump did virtually nothing as sitting President to facilitate rescue efforts – HE LITERALLY DID NOT KNOW PR IS PART OF THE UNITED STATES – oh, excuse me, he threw out some paper towels to a crowd. I forgot he did that much.
But yet he secretly backed and financed B’s relief efforts? LOL. The man who lies on a regular basis about the most mundane of achievements would secretly help fund a Real Housewife’s relief efforts and NOT brag about it? And then that would cause her to fall out with her best friend? You’re literally insane.
Thank you Psylocke. Well said.
Wrong. Bethany is no Trump fan. And Trump did not donate $ to her efforts. If he did she wouldnt have criticized the government so much for not providing aid to Puerto Rico.
It was PR that fucked up the government’s help to PR- all over politics. Millions of $$$ of aid and supplies rotted on the tarmac because Democrat politicians and union bosses refused to distribute. Your hatred is blinding you and making you stupid. Done.
I think your Maga hat has seeped into your mind. History will reveal how Trump and his loyal followers destroyed democracy.
Yes, Thank you Psylocke. Well said, indeed.
Gotta agree re: Bethenny’s multiple issues with people and the degree to which her friendships & relationships go down in flames. She’s the one common denominator.
I think she gets a pass from viewers because she’s very witty (her talking heads are the funniest in any HW franchise IMHO), knows how to play the Bravo game and has done some very laudable charity work.
She can also be insensitive, abrasive, domineering and arrogant (something which Carole had no problem with when this behaviour was directed towards Luann, Ramona, Sonja or Jules in previous seasons).
Agreed 100%!!!!!! Thank you!
The tide? What BS.
Carole has been on a Bethenny tirade all season. She is the one who started it and is bitterly jealous. The free trips dried up for she and her moocher BF, Adam.
Carole is a user…Bethenny thought she was a true friend. Carole is no friend to anyone…just a hanger on.
I’m sick of her tooting her horn about her past. What about the present?? She languishes on her ratty sofa day and night doing squat. She can barely lift her head from utter laziness
Bethenny WORKS!! She is a mother to a young child. What a concept!!
She doesn’t have time for the petty crap these backstabber bitches pull. They are all jelly as sin.
FO Carole. Slink back into your ugly apartment where no cares.
Hi Bethenny
FO
Zalo, Many comments say this, sorry
It’s hard to imagine that anyone who can type would be so stupid as to buy what Carole is selling. I’d like to add my FO to anyone defending Carole’s bullshit.
Absolutely agree Miranda, and a hard worker she is!
I definitely see it the same way.. I never got the Carol hate and I understood where Carole was fed up with B’s toxic ways.. Only because I was that friend and it took me forever to get away “her”… to get healthy again… You don’t know what when you’re in it. 1 But you do feel to relief when you’re out of it..
For me the Carole “hate” came from her ongoing, relentless social media tirade against Bethenny, including her Bravo blogs. TT has posted a few early ones from this season. They were nasty – and only got worse. I stopped clicking on them because I didn’t want to up her click count on the website and they were just ugly.
Bethenny didn’t respond usually – even though tons of trolls would also tag her in very hurtful thread conversations about her, talking about her parenting, etc.
She responds to ONE thing… the insinuation that Carole was voluntarily leaving because of Bethenny, and because it is Bethenny, and because it is about behind teh scenes stuff I’m sure, it gets widespread coverage. The Carole trolls are feasting on it.
I get it if you don’t read the Twitter or read the HW blog entries on Bravo’s website. But I really think that Carole is the one currently engaged in toxic behavior. If you are really wanting to “get out of it” you wouldn’t keep poking at the friend, etc.
ITA
^^This!!
Very nicely said!!
Oh yes you have summed it up correctly, i feel exactly the same.
hahahahaa ! i love this comment.
carole bugs sometimes, and seems to be going through some sort of mid-life … but bethenny is just mean. from her self-described childhood, no doubt she has an impenetrable wall around her emotions, but good God, she is COLD.
and that ‘politician with a dead husband’ comment she made to carole? oy vey.
Not excusing Bethenny at all. But I know about bad childhoods. It causes so so much damage. Some ppl go awol on emotion. We are all different and handle things differently. The old “pull yourself up by your bootstraps has always been my motto
Bwahhahahahah!
Demi, Go do your research. Tinsley is as broke as a church mouse. You said she has 3 times the money as Bethanny. Dorinda is a miserable drunk, skinny Carole thinks she has found her voice, she just looks like an idiot following sex crazed Ramona, with her hatred for Bethanny. Carole, get a backbone.
Agree 1000%. How gross using your dead boyfriend to make money on a TV show RHNY . Appalling
Please,bethanys the wack job alway was if its not about her all hell breaks loose.She loves the fact thats she is finally rich and expects people to kiss her feet.Im team carol all the way.
I agree. Bethany is great on TV but how does her confrontational personality translate into reality? Pun intended, Haha
Team Bethenny.
I cringe every time I see Sonja sucking up to Bethenny. I will never forget how Bethenny treated her a few years back. She said Sonja was “dead to her,” and ripped her apart in her Skinny Girl offices. Sonja has Stockholme syndrome, IMO.
Yes!! She really condescended and cut her off cold. For me Bethany lost me when she slut shamed Luanne, I mean why would she actlike such a misogynist?
Excuse my language, but she’s a cunt.
You are apparently just calling them like you see them. I concur.
No excuse necessary . How about not using someone’s personal tragedy to toot your own horn.
To be fair, Carol made the comment before the news about his death broke. Bethenny was giving as good as she was getting in the mean girls bad breakup department. Bethenny’s tragedies are always worse than anyone else’s and that was, I believe, Carol’s point. That said this awful event will likely spell the feud and might even bring them back together for a moment. Nothing like an untimely death to make the small petty shit evaporate.
Great comment, Miss Scarlet. Once Carole heard of Dennis’s death she deleted her post. Look what wonders the death of Jill Zarin’s husband accomplished – sad it takes a funeral to bring people together, but that’s often what happens. Agree 100% in your opinion of Bethenny – she always thinks that whatever happens to her is something that no one else has ever experienced. Her pain, her worries, her experiences are always the worst. It’s just the way she is, and I doubt she’ll ever change. Despite all that, sincerest condolences to Bethenny, Dennis’s ex wife and children, and all who cared about him.
Lol, I’d like your comment a thousand times.
Also, for her being an ex-friend & colleague of so many years she could at least have specifically acknowledged B in her condolences – instead it’s broad and I think that’s intentional – she’s beyond petty.
Carole continues to fail to realize that 1) she hasn’t had a storyline for several seasons and after Heather/Kristen’s unceremonious booting out, she was only on the show for so long b/c of her friendship w/ Andy & Bethenny – Andy couldn’t even save her; 2) Bethenny (like her or not) is queen bee of this franchise, if she wanted to come for B’s crown, she should have studied the Jill Zarin seasons & the dissolution of their friendship. Similarly, she miscalculated her attack & like Jill was cold, unforgiving, beating a dead horse and she lost, BIG TIME. I’m so glad she no longer will be on my tv!
Great timing Carole. Any more insults you want to throw today?
How was Carole supposed to know that Dennis Shields would die today? A crystal ball? I would say Bethenny gets the award for mean girl tweets. This site has a tendency to be very pro someone and very against another-because of the person who writes it. But Bethenny is a very mean person to other people and unkind to them. Whether it’s Anxiety or a mental illness that’s untreated, I’m not sure.
If you don’t insult someone you won’t have the problem of inadvertantly doing it at an inopportune time.
Exactly! You just hit the nail on the head! Since we never REALLY know what someone else is going through (or what they are about to face), it’s probably best not to start-or even participate in- arguments like these. If we refrain from saying hurtful things (even when provoked, when it feels like it would be justified), we won’t need to concern ourselves with things like timing, or how those words could cause more pain than we might intend. I truly don’t understand the need to pick fights or “win” arguments with other people by being nasty or rude… it isn’t necessary, wastes our energy and accomplishes absolutely nothing, and usually makes us look REALLY bad, rather than “getting even,” as we might intend.
Tell that to Bethenny.
yeah because Bethenny NEVER insults anyone.
Riiight LMAO ?
Thank-you for saying this about Bethany, HarlynChicago!
Bethany is well-known for her rapid-fire argumentative style. All of the other housewives live in fear of one of her full-on assaults.
I think people want to like Bethany. There is something about her that makes people want to be on her side, but she is relentless and carries a lot of sad baggage from her childhood that leads to some neurotic and caustic behavior on her part. That’s why fans of the show have felt negatively toward her for a long time. Now a lot of RHONY fans have the opportunity to like Bethany at the expense of Carole. What’s really upsetting Bethany right now is that Carole is more than a match for Bethany. Carole is highly intelligent, successful, and strong enough to not back down. Fans also aren’t used to seeing the normally laid-back Carole being so combative. Some of us realized Carole had that ability and it’s refreshing to see it in action. Bethany wants Carole to cower and that isn’t happening so Bethany is breaking down.
I am going to miss Carole.
Oh c’mon, none of them “live in fear” of one of B’s assaults – they thrive on that crap and it makes for great TV, which y’all are still watching to see. LOL!
Barbara, that is a wonderful and wise sentiment that I am going to steal and say to my kid.
So true!
Good saying however don’t forget this is a reality show where people are encouraged to drink and fight with each other
Tell that to Bethenny.
Tell that to Bethenny.
Don’t you ever get tired of saying the same thing
Aint that the Truth? We should always TRY to treat ppl like it’s the last time we will ever see them.
This was tweeted several hours after the news broke.
It was wrong before he died, anyway. Carole’s blog entries, time after time this season have been disgustingly mean towards Bethenny, even when they didn’t have ANY interaction on the episode.
And you haven’t been reading this site very long. In past season’s I have been one of the few that liked Bethenny. Tamara certainly wasn’t a huge fan.
I agree with u Marie, Carole could not have known about Dennis’s death and to call her a mean girl for responding to a tweet, is unfair.
I don’t know why everyone seems so tolerant to Bethanny and her “truth” bombs but any one else points out the obvious and they are attacked.
Bethanny doesn’t attend Ramonas party for “fake” product, she is applauded. Bethanny tells everyone Carole was fired. Carole responds and shes admonished to “let it go”. Carole points out her own strengths as a friend and she’s insulted. Why we can’t be fair with people is beyond me. I hate hypocrisy.
I feel like we forget they are real people. Would just be nice if we could all be nice. Us to them and them to each other.
So sorry for Dennis’s death. I hope this brings Bethanny and Carole to some sort of truce.
I think the point is Marie that Bethenny has more than “rich white girl problems” and B’s life has had many tragedies. Carol’s biggest problem is she things she’s above everybody and her life tragedies are worse than Bethenny’s. It’s time for Carole to get the chip off of her shoulder and stop trolling B. Maybe she should “write” that book she’s been working on for 5 years.
Carole didn’t think she could write today, but she did have time to tweet. I don’t think Carole will ever write anything else that requires more than requires no more than 280 characters. The only thing she has written to date that we know about is the article in Cosmopolitan about the marathon. Will we ever stop hearing about the marathon? Furthermore, she is hardly the demographic for Cosmopolitan who are people about 31 years of age.
My point is this-Bethenny is really a hypocrite-she supports Sonya, who has/had 20 fake businesses, but call out Ramona? Pot meet kettle.
Erica – good point! It absolutely WAS wrong, regardless of when it was written, and it doesn’t matter who started it. It’s petty and unbecoming, and speaks more to a person’s own insecurities when they lash out. FWIW, I don’t take sides when it comes to Bethenney and Carole. They are both flawed, like everyone else, and it’s hard to tell what is actually “real”on RH of NY and what might just be edited a certain way to fit a storyline.
Agreed. For all we know this could all be fake . Part of bringing drama to a tv show for viewers. Why is everyone not keeping that in month and are so invested. B and Carole probably are sitting there watching all these comments and laughing. You have no idea what is fake or real.
Our brains function pretty well, so we know the difference between real and fake. Stick around you might learn something.
I am trying to be positive…..even though I am quite cynical. My cynical side thinks she is trying to make herself look better to the masses. I don’t know….maybe I am too old (only 46) to understand how social media has taken the place of human decentness. If she contacted her privately…good for her. But stop tweeting for crap’s sake.
^^THIS!!!^^
I just added to the post a reason Carole is probably not doing well today either.
How crazy! Same day? Wow.
the friendmantic in me hopes they can come together, Carole knows exactly what B must be feeling right now and it’s clear that their old friendship was real, with real love. So maybe they can put the petty power battle/ adam shit aside and be there for each other.
Thanks for that.
It is sad to have such an anniversary but it still didn’t stop her from going after Bethenny…AGAIN!
It’s beyond obsessive. She is supposedly grieving but still managed to be evil to a friend who SHE dumped.
Oh shit. She could just be lashing out as today’s obviously not going to be the best of days for her but that tweet seems like it’s really gonna come back to bite her on the arse. :/
Carole is so repulsive.
Why is Carole still writing about Bethenny? They were done months ago,
Other than the one comment about Carole being fired, which was in response to Carole, Bethenny does not tweet about Carole.
It’s as if Carole can’t move on.
Carole is a bitch.
someone needs to tell carole it’s not a contest. i despise people that do this.
Yep! If trading insults is any sort of contest, she would be more likely to win by saying little, if anything. There usually isn’t any need to dignify someone else’s accusations or hurtful comments like they have both done to one another- saying nothing can say so much more! The past season has felt like sibling rivalry, like they are both saying, “Oh yeah, well SHE started it!” It doesn’t matter who started any of this- these women are old enough to know better and to do better.
I often wonder if the producers encourage this kind of public animosity for ratings, and that the ladies are happily playing along… but are secretly fine with one another. If so, it certainly works- otherwise we wouldn’t all be here talking about it! I hope this is the case, because it’s so fun to watch, I must admit.
Agreed absolutely! Its all for ratings and they are just throwing out the cheese to the rats. This is out of character for Carole who is bigger than this. Somethings off.
I think everything with Carole has been a contest.. I’ll never forget when she got in the little tiff with Ramona saying… basically don’t speak about politics, you know nothing , I know everything about Hilary Clinton and the presidential election.. I am a journalist so I no more! I am smarter I worked for ABC … blah blah .. that’s when I knew everything I thought about her was exactly right. She has a crazy ego and she always thinks she is right. You can’t win with someone like that.
She was HATING worse than I’ve ever seen her! It was literally MID TWEET, I commented, “now that Bethenny has someone to bury, are her tears justified?” (She was calling her a crybaby for being upset Carole “didn’t “like her anymore”. That’s when she deleted and posted condolences to family, which is appropriate. But WHY EVEN SAY FRIENDS, fully aware of what she’s doing!?
Obviously there was something going with Dennis, which B mentioned, having Narcan on hand. Bethenny and Dennis were at a wedding in New Orleans not too long ago. They ALL WENT to high school together. Carole isn’t going to win a popularity contest anytime soon. That’s just unkind. Feel bad for little Bryn if nothing else, she was said to have had quite a bond with Dennis family. Very tragic. Bless his family and children. RIP
I have read that he asked the maid to go buy some. At that point, 911 should have been called.
Wait… what?! Bethenny and Carole went to school together?
Bethenny, Dennis’s ex, and Dennis have all known one another since they were teenagers. Dennis married his high school gal whom Bethenny also knows. They graduated together and met again in 2016.
They ((his ex and kids) have a friendly relationship and his older kids have been like a family to Bryn. You’ll see her speak of this on insta or articles, this isn’t private.
Ahh I see! I don’t really follow the women outside of the show so I wouldn’t know lol.
Oh my gosh… that’s horrible, and crosses so many lines. I can’t imagine thinking like that, much less saying that to someone grieving on Twitter. If that’s true, I hope the screenshots become public so everyone can see that side of her personality. Hopefully, this could be a learning moment for Carole… I doubt it will be, but I can still hope 😉
The lowest of lows. Carole, honey get your life. Really you can not be more obvious you are sooo painfully jealous of Bethenny Frankel it’s killing you. #Richgirlproblems. Is there no shame I mean will you face the facts that you have past mean girl status. You cannot leave tv fast enough oh and take Dirinda and Ramanda with you. None of you are worst watching anymore Dorindas a drunk a sloppy drunk, Ramando is so jealous of Bethenny she’ll kill to see her down. I deepest sympathy to Bethenny to lose a love is hard, but to lose haters clears your soul.
I was so appalled when I read that. There has been a lot of privilege exposed on this show, white or otherwise, but Bethenny’s issues both current and past are NOT.
Actually, to denigrate it as such doesn’t just make a mockery of everyone who has had to face similar circumstances, it makes a mockery of what people of color and women and their allies have been trying to really explain when talking about how white and or privilege works in society.
Erica- THIS exactly!
Oops… white and or Male privilege.
Beautifully written
I agree with you and was disgusted at Carole’s need to make it a race and class issue. It’s a Bethenny/Carole issue
she always has to remind us that she came into the Kennedy family through the back door. Would like to tell her many people don’t think it’s such an honor to be a part of that family.
Amen. The family wealth came from prostitution and selling liquor during prohibition. Joe Kenney, supposedly, had the ballot boxes in Chicago stuff for JFK’s presidential run. The family has a lot of dark secrets. Wouldn’t want to be a part of that family.
No, she doesn’t. Nor is she doing that here. Carole has always been pretty closed-mouthed about her “connections” unlike a certain Morgan I could name.
I always SMH when people, like you, exaggerate to the point of ridiculousness just because they don’t like somebody and are scraping around for one more thing to shit on them for.
Besides, the connection to the Radziwills – one of the oldest noble families in Europe – is much more impressive to people in the know than any Kennedy connection could ever be.
Well said, ericzku. Criticism is fair, but not comments that are patently untrue.
Yes. Great response. Carole only occasionally mentioned JFK Jr. and his wife. She said they were family and Carolyn was her best friend. She lost them and her husband in a matter of three weeks in August. She has never mentioned the rest of the Kennedy’s. This Carole hate is petty and ridiculous when no one really knows the whole story.
the radziwills bought his title. there hasn’t been royalty there for hundreds of years. The only reason Carole got a book deal was because who her “husband” was. they were married but not husband an wife. He was dying when he married her. she brags she’s a princess and the Kennedys & radziwills have nothing to do with her.
“They were married but not husband and wife.” What??? They were married for just under five years. And she virtually never mentions the princess thing, unlike Luann, who can’t let go of “Countess.”
Not true. When Hitler invaded Poland in 1939 is when the monarchy ended. Pick up a history book.
I agree. I never liked Carole and found her snooty but she was new and everyone thought she was a breath of fresh air. Now there is so much criticism on her house, her makeup, her hair, her couch, her relationship, her clothes, it doesn’t end. And why? None of us are friends with either Carole or Bethanny and their break-up only entertains us for a show. It doesn’t affect us. Why is everyone so maddenly angry? Even discounting her marriage because it wasn’t long enough. But hen the same people complain about mean-girl tweets. It is too much.
Thank you SweetT for being a breath of fresh air. And sanity. I like Carole AND Bethenny and don’t get this adolescent “I’m team Carole or team Bethenny” crap.
We watch these shows because they are entertaining, interesting women to who we can relate once in awhile. I am horrified when I see here, and on other reality tv forums the number of people who say they “HATE” so and so – reality tv stars they have never even met. Then why the hell are you wasting time viewing their show? It depresses me about humankind.
Okay, I don’t care if Bethenny is the queen bitch from hell and you hate her guys. Today is NOT the day to be posting blogs trashing her. She is grieving today and this hurtful content just isn’t needed right now and only adds to her legitimate pain.
I have no words
SECOND UPDATE TO POST
She is an idiot. She could post it elsewhere. With the nasty blogs they did post, I can’t imagine what she thinks they WOULDN’T post unless it is about behind the scenes production people.
Csrol…
The Bitter Heart
Eats Its Owner
Bantu Proverb
Carole didn’t want to be friends with Beth any longer, for whatever reason. Beth was very hurt over it, for whatever reason. Carole should be happy about this, mission accomplished. She should be enjoying her coffee or tea and shut UP about it. But nooo, we have the continuing tirade. It makes me wonder if this fight with Beth was choreographed by Carole as Jill’s was. In other words, an attempt for more storyline and air time that backfired spectacularly. Even Jill made it to the end of the season and the reunion before getting fired. They dumped Carole before the season had finished airing. I think that Carole miscalculated big time, and continues to do so.
After all she knows about Bethenny, how could Carole say this?
Bethenny had a deranged mother and an absent father. She had no one to turn to or depend on for basically her entire life and STILL made it big rather than ending up in the gutter.
Carole and Dorinda seem unable to admit that they have accomplished comparatively little, and whatever it was they did do, was LONG ago… while Bethenny is still hustling her arse off.
Carole is the definition of bitter. Dorinda’s bitterness is drowned in booze.
They both need a serious look in the mirror.
^^^totally agree^^^
Bitterness is not very becoming. For such “high class women” they act very tasteless.
Mmmm – I agree with you completely! Although, this is probably why we all enjoy watching, to some extent. 😉
Carrie- Absolutely, Haha.
I am so glad I found this sight. Have a lovely day all.
Carole, Dorinda and Ramona had successful careers. To suggest they have accomplished little is to diminish is not fair.
I have to say, I have long suspected that Bethenny was on some prescribed medication, not that she was abusing it, I wouldn’t be privy to that information. But it’s a case of once you see it . . . you can’t unsee it on someone else. Perhaps he was triggering her and I suspect that Carole is prescribed as well. You cannot stay that thin on just pilates and keto.
Carole told Jules at the pizza dinner I believe that she takes Adderall, and so does Jules for what they both claimed was like ADHD. Adderall is abused by many to lose weight. Yes, bean pole thin after 50 is not too common without doing stuff most people won’t admit to, like drugs or human growth hormones, unless genetically gifted.
The problem with being stick thin after 50 like Carol is she looks older in her face. That face looks like a 70 yr old
A lot speculation in that comment.
A little transference there?
🙂
One good thing came of this, a lot of people got to see the real Carole today. She did not remove her tweet until people just gave her hell about it. After that she tried some PR moves to make herself look better.
Ironically Carole has had rich white girl problems a hell of a lot longer than B.
Carole takes way too many valiums and needs to give more of them to Ramona and dorinda.
Ride or Die my ass she has never been a real friend to anyone!
If Carole was not a Kennedy adjacent widow, she would not have an identity…or have ever seen the light of day on Bravo.
Go buy some more driving gloves, “writer girl!”
So true.
Lmao ? you win best comment of the day “writer girl” haha in my Aviva Voice … too funny!
@Tara: ?
What’s the story here? Bethenny was tweeting instagram pictures of her and her dog right before the news broke. Bethenny has been firing shots left and right at cast members from pretty much every franchise. Now Carol is the bad guy because she’s feigning after Bethenny and her neurotic issues.
The only shot I have seen fired from Bethenny lately was at Ramona. Tamara reported on that. She caught a lot of crap on social media for not attending Ramona’s launch reception. She finally fired back with the reason she didn’t go.
Carole is a bitch. Filming is over, reunion wrapped, friendship done, it’s time to shut up and move on.
Yes Jane, I posted the same above. The friendship is over. Mission accomplished. Carole won, no more bothersome texts from her then friend. Celebrate Carole, you are officially free of Beth and Bravo, both of which apparently you found to be a nuisance and bother in your life. Go do what ever you think that you do best in life, away from us.
I did not see those tweets, other than the one about Caroke being fired and that was bc Carole was tweeting crap to her about it.
Funny how life works.. Carole and Bethenny now have this date that bonds them since both lost loved ones on this date.
Good point.
Ok, so I am totally confused about Carole allegedly saying Bethenny’s problems are “rich white girl problems.” Isn’t Carole a rich white girl? So sorry for Dennis’ family, friends and Bethenny. This is such a tragedy and loss.
What’s the matter with being a rich white girl with problems? Everyone has problems, better to have money to help cope.
Carol is a rich white girl! They’re all rich white girls! its kind of what the show is all about, lmoa! ???
Tamara, do you have a time stamp for Carole’s first tweet?
I was told it was before noon.
Maybe their shared loss on the same day will end both their bitternesses. TT, is that a word?
I really hope so!
Carole is the definition of “rich white girl”! All the designer clothes she has up for sale are a small fortune or mortgage for anyone else. She sleeps till noon , no she’s not put pounding the pavement busting her ass working. How far have you gotten in the book you were writing? Oh yeah , you can’t make a deadline like everyone else can . Why is that?
Damned if you do….I was waiting for my mom at her doctors office and had the time to follow what happened in real time.
I don’t think Carole was being especially mean. She was just answering tweets from fans then. Out of the blue, someone tweeted about Dennis and all went quiet. An hour later C responded with her gracious tweet.
All this while she was waiting for a mammogram and killing time.
What if Ramonas daughter was murdered minutes after B slammed her skin care line? Would she still be coddled by you? Give C a break.
The problem is Carole’s inability to see that she is the definition of “white girl problems” and not the cool, hipster journalist of 30 years ago.
Yep, we got to spend a whole season listening to Carole whine about how she’s “homeless” because she had to move out of one multimillion-dollar apartment before her next multimillion-dollar apartment was ready, and how she was really suffering in 5-star hotels.
Oh wait, that wasn’t Carole, that was just one of Bethenny’s #richwhitegirlproblems
Bethenny worked very hard to make her money, she’s self made. Carole however,lives off a TRUST FUND. That is the definition of white privilege. The arrogance and lack of self awareness that Carole tweeted #whiteprivilege is astounding.
Sorry, #richwhitegirlproblems
Carole was her good friend at that point, tagging along on several vacations that Bethenny paid for (not Bravo, because they weren’t filming).
Bethenny has actually apologized for that scene and the use of the word homeless – but it was more about where she was at in the divorce and that if she had bought another apartment at that time, the ex could have tried laying claim to that (while he was parked in her dream home that she designed, and she was paying all the utilities)
I remember early on, maybe even season 1, that B owned that little place that she and Jason initially lived in. Clearly owning the home where she lays her head at night is important to her.
Bethenny didn’t tweet about Ramona’s personal relationships – romantic or parental. There was no slam saying she was the reason Mario cheated, or that Ramona overreacted in expressing her pain over her divorce, or that her issues were because she was rich and/or white.
What if I were to tell Carole that her grieving over her relatives’ deaths in their own privately owned, privately flown plane on their way to a rich white wedding on Martha’s Vineyard was simply #whiterichgirlproblems Because from that lens – they really were. The circumstances of those three deaths were STEEPED in privilege – his confidence that he was able to handle flying in those conditions, owning the private plane they flew in, the location they left and the exclusive location of the very wealthy/elite wedding they were going to attend, and even the search and rescue operation prompted by Carole’s personal call to Senator Kennedy that they were missing. The Navy went out to search if I recall!
Now there is Bethenny’s experiences. A pregnancy that happened early in a budding, new relationship. A somewhat quick wedding, and a quick breakdown of the relationship.
A battle over custody and child support. Alimony. An abusive ex (mentally and verbally at least) requiring legal interaction. Said sharing of custody and the attempt to move on.
Now which of those scenarios is more elite and privileged and true “#richwhitegirlproblems ? Hmmm?
I don’t know anyone who had the wealth of the Kennedys (or frankly, the luxury and beauty of the home that she and Anthony chose to live out his final days). Don’t know anyone who had the kind of wedding John’s cousin had planned, or anyone who had relatives who privately flew themselves in to attend said wedding. I don’t know anyone who has the power of one phone call to have someone invoke the power of the Navy to search for their missing loved ones.
But I sure as fuck know people who have had nasty divorces and ugly custody battles. I sure know people who have had sad, abusive, cold upbringings like Bethenny. I know and love people who have come from similar backgrounds who became successful and self supporting (maybe not SkinnyGirl wealth, but still relatively well off. (Frankly, the person I’m thinking of was VERY MUCH more of an asshole than Bethenny… not a real charitable bone in his body these days).
For the record, I DO NOT begrudge the Kennedys their wealth and privilege. 3 sons – Joe, Jack, and Bobby – were sacrificed in service of our country. Ted served as Senator well, and despite some personal relationships with women, by all accounts was not only a loving father to his own children but as a Kennedy fill in to his brothers’ children (and with Bobby’s proclivities – that was a lot). His senate income was donated to charity. He was admired by Dems and Republicans alike. Don’t get me wrong – I was one who watched the news constantly for word and prayed he, his wife, and sister in law would be found safe and was devastated when I heard what happened. I feel like JFK Jr. deserved to have the Navy search for him so that there wasn’t a paparazzi frenzy searching for his remains like they sometimes chased him in life. The only way his loved ones got any dignity and some privacy in their grief was to evoke that privilege.
But shit… with this big picture, for Carole to invoke the powerful accusation of “white privilege” to Bethenny’s circumstances vs. her own loss is fucking self absorbed, disgusting, and showcases her own rich white girl privilege instead of Bethenny’s.
Erica – YOU should be writing a book. This is so intelligent and well said. Great analysis and I love that you did it with kindness.
I absolutely abhor the whole ‘what if’. Not even going to try and explain why as it should be quite obvious how ridiculous it always sounds when used in any situation.
P.S. This was a reply to Mary’s comment, not Erica’s.
I think for the past 20 years or so Carole’s whole persona has been JFK Jr’s cousin’s widow and the fact that she could take the academic high road.
Since she started the show, people now know her as Carole Radziwill, not the most empathetic or nice person. No one cares about her past any longer.
For the record, my stepdaughter’s college roommate has five Emmys. She earned them like Carole in a group of people. She’s 29.
So true! Without trying to out your stepdaughter or her roommate, does your stepdaughter share any juicy tidbits with you? I often think about the people related to/living with/adjacent to reality tv celebs… it can’t be a truly normal life for them, either!
I don’t think JoJo was saying her stepdaughter’s roommate knows Carole. I think she was just saying she is a 29-year-old who already has Emmys, which were earned in a group, as Carole’s were–group Emmys being less impressive than individual Emmys. (I didn’t know Carole’s Emmys were group Emmys.)
Yes, that is exactly what I was saying.
Producing and writing Emmys are always group Emmys.
Not to discount an Emmy, it’s still a big deal but Carole makes it sound like she won them on her own.
Good point
Miranda – that’s what I assumed, although after reading my comment again, it’s not so clear. I was actually wondering if her stepdaughter ever shared tidbits with her re: the show the roommate is on… not thinking it had anything to do with Carole. I realize it wasn’t clear, so thanks for helping me clarify.
@JoJo: You are so right. Carole sort of leaves out the fact that “her” Emmy win was actually a huge group effort.
Cause she is self absorbed and like I said before that woman has a huge ego ! Ugghhh glad I never have to see her on my ? again!
Carole is a bitter jealous Bitch! I’ve said it before and I will say it again. Bethenny is not the one who has changed, she has been the same person the entire time she has been on television. Carole was fine until the election and then she turned (kind of like a walker on The Walking Dead)
Carole’s tweet about Dennis’death she could not even bury her bitterness long enough to send Bethenny regards.
Carole keeps this crap up Bethenny might be able to an injunction to make her stop.
Carole’s condolences tweet is generic and cold.
All the women contacted Bethenny privately. Carole’s tweet covered it all – family and friends. Bethenny was a friend.
I’m ashamed to say I learned a similar lesson in middle school. A bunch of my friends and I decided to take a “we won’t take it anymore” stance against this mean girl and behaved like mean girls ourselves by confronting her (rather than opening a dialogue to help her empathize with us) and talking shit about her. A week later her mom died tragically in a car accident. I hated myself for a long time after that. I felt like the worst person on the planet. I remember my mother told me the way to move on was to apologize and learn how to react better.
Cruelty and pettiness never make anything better even when you feel justifiably hurt or angry, it’s never the productive route. It’s embarrassing that I had to learn this lesson due to a tragedy. I hope Carole learns too.
Mmmmia – Well said. It says so much about your character (and your mother’s, for the advice she gave you) that you learned this lesson from your experience. Unfortunately, not everyone learns from their mistakes like you did. I often feel that I’m on some kind of personal mission to spend kindness in the world and increase compassion and understanding toward others… probably because of making the same kind of mistakes in my youth that you just described. I never realized this until reading your comment, funny enough, so thank you! My hope is that everyone learns from what we came here to comment about today- it’s just never right to be unkind, even if we feel justified somehow.
Least said, soonest mended. Every. Single. Time.
Librarygirl – That’s such good advice it’s worthy of embroidering on a pillow… It’s hard to do, but I definitely agree with you!
Carole’s gracious tweet? She could not even bring herself to mention B’s name “family and friends”. Carole has the attention span of a gnat and always has been more of a mean girl than she would say she was. I have never cared for her at all – she only came on the show because she was bored and wanted to see “how the other half lived”. Now, her little science experiment with that has bored her and Bethenny wasn’t kissing her arse enough because she was busy working and helping out with hurricane relief – how “shameful” of Bethenny to be more concerned about flying to PR and Texas doing hurricane relief that she did not come and support Carole’s marathon race – because that was all that mattered in the real world. Carole would definitely know rich white girl problems – she is a perfect example of one.
He has a wife and child. Why mention B when there is a wife and child. She’s a friend. Don’t insult the family. Gracious.
And its unclear if he was legally separated at the time he dated B.
You want irony? B tweeted last night about the series, The Affair.
Meow…feel better now?
You seem to be missing the point that the connection to Dennis was from BETHENNY
He has an EX-wife and 3 grown children. Not like Bethenny was a the babysitter for his toddlers and seduced him as he gave her a ride home.
Four children, youngest in college. Three daughters and a son.
…and,he’s known only as Bethenny’s on and off again boyfriend.
Ex-wife.
That’s not true. Bethenny texted Carole during the marathon and Bethenny got mad Carole didn’t text back in a timely manner. Carole said I was running but got back to you later that night. It was on the show. Making up shit now.
There was absolutely nothing on the show about Bethenny being mad that Carole did not text her during the marathon. JUST STOP!
I can’t remember who was complaining about Carol’s short response (Sonja maybe), but at the dinner when they were all talking about it, I thought Bethenny was trying to calm her down -like hey, don’t feel bad. As close as we are, I didn’t get a response from Carol either. Then Carol got mad and accused B of lying or something, and of course B went on the defensive. And then we viewers were treated to a whole lot of conversations about texts.
Nope. It was brief but it was shown.
Rehashing crap. Carole has turned into a crazed person who simply cannot let this go.
Bethennys one tweet to Carole was in response to Carole.
Carole said they were done months ago, why can’t she stop. Just stop. They are done.
Bethenny is the one this group should care about. The ex has her friends.
Oh, come on Patti. Carole was replying to a tweet from a viewer. That’s what Twitter is for. She neither tagged Bethenny or mentioned her name. If anybody can’t move on, it’s Bravo, who posted the article that the viewer was commenting on. Context is key.
So, which “other half” did Carole, according to you, come on the show to see live? The poor? The homeless? Because they make up the rest of the cast?
You make no sense whatsoever. Do you think at all before you write such crap?
She had stated in the beginning either on the show or on WWHL that she was “intrigued” by the Real Housewives franchise and that she thought it would be interesting to be a part of the show – she considered it at the time some sort of social experiment or something like that – hence, “the other half” comment I made. She’d wrapped up her two widow books and had nothing better to do, I guess, so she thought it would be a fun social experiment to participate in would be my guess, based on what she said very early on. She’s been bored, in my humble opinion, with it now for a couple of seasons and it started to show a lot more, I think, last season. This season, she’s made it her mission to take every single slight that B does and blow it up. She said multiple times that Tinsley was THE ONLY one who showed up for the marathon, that she was “surprised and disappointed” that Bethenny did not, but then backtracked and said she realized B was pretty busy with the hurricane relief. She claims now to not like B at all, then stop talking about her and taking little disjointed jabs in B’s direction. I think that is exactly why, right or wrong, B called her out on leaving the show versus being fired. I don’t really care which way it was, left or fired, I just never cared for Carole’s attitude from the get-go on the show and I’m glad she’s gone. Next up!!!!
I would agree that timing combined with circumstances, really is the key issue, so that you have to look at it in that context. It probably would be good if we would think first before we retaliated or let someone have it, about if we would still feel so strongly, if the person suffered some tragedy right after. But, life usually isnt lived that way. When you think about it, we would take a ton on the chin and rarely stand up for ourselves, if we knew the person would suffer a big loss. So, I wouldnt dislike Carolle if I liked her before. She couldnt know, and it could easily have gone the other way, if the shoe was on the other foot. Bethanny doesnt hold back much. I feel very sorry for the guy’s wife. It must really hurt to have lost your husband twice. Once because he had feelings for your friend and then thru death. She described him as the love of her life.
As TT said, what is with them? To some degree it’s drumming up drama for the show’s ratings, but Carole’s Twitter account (I just looked because of what TT wrote), is a bash Bethenny fest. They need to tell the truth about what happened to have that antipathy, which seems all started from Carole and B reacts. Regardless, Carole needs to stop anyone from saying anything bad about B and she should delete those tweets or tweet that everyone needs to let B mourn and call a ceasefire. Looks like lots of folks came for her on Twitter because of her ice cold tweet, which she deserves. She’s COLD and clearly hates Bethenny. Why, they won’t say, but she has to hate her to be that cold. Dennis was close to her daughter I think as well. She must be devastated. I actually thought this would bring them together and repair their relationship. Couldn’t have been more wrong. I bet Jill will be there for B.
Carole has zero reason to be jealous of Bethenny. I mean that’s just reaching IMO. I dunno what the breakdown was about but that wasn’t it.
Carole has so many reasons to be jealous of Bethenny. And the way she constantly comes for Bethenny, Carole seems obsessed with her. If she is not jealous of her, she certainly does a good imitation of it.
I was thinking about this reading all the comments, what about Carole somehow putting all her disappointment about the boyfriend into/onto Bethenny? Carole is almost becoming consumed. Maybe Dennis’s death will end it now.
B replied once to a Carole tweet, that was it. … firing
There are tons of reasons Carole has to be jealous of Bethenny!!
Off the top of my head:
Bethenny had an age-appropriate boyfriend, is prettier, has much more style in clothes and decor, a daughter, a successful business, a successful charity, lots of new business ventures, a bigger apartment, and is a fan favorite.
How it looked to me….(on the show):
Bethenny has a big life and many story lines.
Carole had a small life and almost no story lines except for Adam and hanging with Bethenny
Bethenny’s insults to others are ’emotional outbursts.
Carole’s insults to Bethenny are ‘calculated with purpose .
What I think:
Carole became jealous over time and resented being Bethenny’s tag-along.
Carole had no way or *means to compete with the attention Bethenny got for her many activities.
So her only chance at attention or any kind of story line after the small one with Adam was a feud and war with the Queen. So she adopted Tinsley as friend to be ‘busy with’ and to let Bethenny know she was no longer her tag along and pushed Bethenny out .
There was no ‘big event cause of the falling out’ which is why Bethenny cant figure out what went wrong with their friendship.
*means—re: Carole’s ‘rich girl slur/ tweets about Bethenny. Carole is not uber rich despite what you see on the stars net worth sites and did not inherit any wealth. Radziwill’s father (Prince Stan) died 30 million in debt. Lee Radziwill has been dead broke in between all her marriages and was supported by Jackie Kennedy. Anthony and his sister had to live with Jackie many times and Jackie set up a trust fund for Anthony and his sister for $500,000 to be used as an annuity for income for them for a period of 10 years or until her death after which it could be cashed out by them. So Carole has whatever Anthony managed to set aside during his 10 working years plus whatever her book sales generated. You can find this in Jackie’s will which is online.
Hmmm. Interesting. I had assumed she inherited a crap ton of money.
Wow, Sari, that’s a lot of half-accurate information all to show that you completely misunderstand the term “Rich white girl problems” and Carole’s use of it. Just wow.
It’s not necessarily the timing, even though it’s pretty bad…it’s the dog with her bone that will never let go of her vitriol.
Her white, rich girl shade is hypocritical because she has a home in California, sits on the sofa all day and night NOT having to work.
Her jealousy is seeping from her pores. Go the hell away, bitch.
Did anyone see Carole’s instagram story? Yellow mellow caption showing her new sneakers. Wtf? Take a day
In the words of Chuck Berry – Oh Carole! That tweet sending condolences to his “family and friends” was so low road.
Smh
Just being respectful since he was still legally married and has children by her. This isn’t about Bethenny, it was about condolences to his whole family (siblings, parents). Bethenny and Dennis were no longer a couple anyway, though I sympathize with Bethenny.
He was NOT still legally married. GAWD. Just stop.
Not the time, it’s the time to care for Bethenny, the ex wife has her friends and family.
Thank God Bethenny can stand alone, she sure can’t count on any one else.
If she were a man all these nasty comments would be ozzing with condolences for a man that has suffered so many losses.
I’m a little confused. Am I reading that you think we should care more for Bethenny than his ex wife of 26 years and their four children because she has friends and family? I hope I misread that. I feel sorry for Bethenny for her grief over a boyfriend that was on and off for the last two years but I certainly feel more sympathy for his family especially his children. His decades long ex-wife has to console her four children probably before even dealing with her own grief.
Go fuck yourself and die in a fire.
LOL…;)
WTF?
This is why I love you, my queen.
What the? His family, wife, girlfriend and friends have all suffered a great loss and I really hope they’re all supporting one another through what must be one of the worst moments of their lives. I get what you’re saying, she has a knack of pushing people away so she probably doesn’t have many people she can fall back on, which is a great shame… but as entertaining and badass as Bethenny Frankel is on a reality show, she’s not got the monopoly on who people’s sympathies should go to, they’re not rationed out lol.
I’m hearing Neil Sedaka. I wonder if he’s still alive.
I think she’s genuinely sorry. Bethenny is exhausting and there is a reason she can’t seem to keep many friends. I feel sorry for her when it comes to losing her EX boyfriend but a lot of people go through a lot of crap… bethenny just wants everyone to know about her. She can’t seem to be happy for anyone else unless it’s to make her look good.
I used to be her biggest fan, but I see right through her now.
Carol has been through it. Maybe she’s jaded but I’d prefer her calm demeanor over bethennys erratic crazy behavior.
You couldn’t just send Bethenny a uplifting note?
Genuine?? You know what that means right?
It gets worse. Dorinda posted a pic out for drinks with a woman I don’t recognize, Carole and someone else. Party pics on the night your castmate’s at minimum close, lifelong friend has died and her some time boyfriend? She is getting dragged for it in comments and damn well should be. Carole lets her post the picture? Wow. Shameful really. Eck.
In fairness, they all posted happy, fun pics tonight. Lu, Jill. All of them except for Sonja and Ramona. They didn’t post a pic tonight. It’s unreal. Guess that these people aren’t really friends at all and even worse, they don’t give a toss. They only see each other for filming and act like friends. Not a care in the world apparently
You’re mad about THAT? Yeesh.
I wonder to what degree these friendships are actually real and meaningful, and how much is really just contrived interaction that makes for good tv-interactions that allow these shows to exist. It does make ya wonder how much they really do mean to one another, and how much is “obligated” by their contracts. If it’s truthfully just a “work relationship” with a castmate, I wouldn’t expect them to do or say anything, or very much at all.
What we see on reality TV (and on social media between them) may not actually exist in real life, so it doesn’t necessarily mean that her castmates are cold hearted or intentionally trying to hurt Bethenney. They may just not be that close, and if the death doesn’t necessarily affect them directly or personally, it isn’t wrong of them to carry on and live life as they normally would. It’s hard to remember that we don’t really know them becasue the show feels so real most of the time.
I doubt most of us would refrain from posting any photos of “happy times” with our family and friends on social media just becasue a work colleague suffered a loss. 😉 Just like our own relationships, these ladies are the only ones who know the true nature of their relationships.
I’m sure Carol is kicking herself for the timing of her first tweets, though she should never talk about rich white girl problems unless she’s talking about her own life. Sad that she felt the need to go after B on the anniversary of her husband’s death. Maybe Dennis’ death will remind both women that there are more important things in the world than twitter wars.
Carole and Dorinda both posted pics on IG they are with Caroline Stanbury from Ladies of London, another rich white girl. Tacky photos and Carole Radziwill is looking weird? What has she done to her face to get that skeletor look?’
They are not friends of Bethenny and I am sure would be of no comfort to her.
Carole R can not stand to lose. she lost her mind when her candidate did not get elected POTUS, thinks she is smarter than the average bear about voting. Lost her mind again when Adam started dating younger girls and she realized she had on her become her ow definition of friends with benefits.
One of Caroles posts early this morning was about being able to survive a shitstorm, hell Carole can’t even handle getting dumped by a 12 yr old.
She fixates entirely too long grudges. Dorinda is a mean hateful drunk who is afraid to take a shot a B so she snipes from the side.
This whole situation is just so sad!
I’ve lost people/family as I’m sure most of us have. It sucks…..
Only time gets us through,,,.. but when you are in it……..it feels like a hell that you’ll never get over.
Grief sucsk and sucks and sucks……there is no way out.
{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}} Bet
“Beth”…aurgh
I was thinking about the comment she said about the end of journey blog. We will be watching season 20 when she actually finished it.
When I think of all Bethenny has accomplished, it is beyond impressive. And not just that she built and continues to expand a business empire, but she is an excellent mother, and truly gives to charities, with both sleeves rolled up, going in and helping others. Imo, she is someone to admire, and we should all seek to make a better world, as she has, and be the good mother that she is. And she did all this even though she came from what is allegedly a fractured childhood, and with no siblings for support. And almost all these women treated her like a fourth class citizen – “I am up here and you are down there”, “call me Mrs. so and so” in front of the driver (or whatever the exact phrase was), told she was Jill’s charity case and that she would wreck her next relationship like she wrecked them all (paraphrasing) … and the list goes on. And then brutally excluded and constantly sniped at by someone she took into her heart and who she maybe thought was in a way the sister she never had. And Bethenny has a right to finally defend herself when under constant sniping. Unfortunately, human nature being what it is, the truth is that most would think she was weak if she did not – and being seen as the wounded reindeer is never a good spot. I just do not understand all these attacks on Bethenny. Have any of us done as much and contributed as much or even tried to?
Best comment I’ve read in quite some time. Thank you!
I don’t believe she will return to RHONY unless there’s a previous contract. Last week someone posted to her Twitter that she wouldn’t watch if B was gone. Her response was….”Interesting.”
And now its time to heal, and move forward.
I have had the same thought. She has taken a beating on the show this year and now is experiencing a devastating loss. Why would she put herself in a position soon for another 6+ months of more potential beat-downs.
Unless she throws herself into work to keep things normal. If she cut herself off from all the girls, except for Sonja, as was posted here a while back, they might have been positioning to clear the decks. Keep S & B….to showcase the jeans!…cause god forbid….and bring back Jill and a few others that keep Bethenny happy.
Season starts with a lullaby to Dennis, then a jean commercial and party.
…and B will be in the sad position to have the definitive answer. Is it worse to lose through divorce or death. The plot for yet another season.
Well said, scottishwitch.
It seems some really like to kick someone when they are down.
Not kind at all.
Yes! Great comment!
Far from a betthenny fan, but saying she has rich white girl problems is ridiculous. Yes, betthenny brings on or worsens many of her problems, but it seems based more in control issues than a sense of entitlement. Furthermore, Carole gleefully joined betthenny in being rude for several seasons.
If you live long enough, you will have wounds. Playing who has had the most tragedy is pathetic .
That is exactly right it is control issues with Bethenny not richwhitegirlproblems and Carol is the last person who should be calling anyone out .
Tit, tat … Pot, kettle … She say, he say … Rich, poor … blah, blah, blah … STOP!
A wise man (my therapist) once said, “You can CHOOSE to live your life in fear, or in love [fear often morphs into anger]. You cannot control ‘them’ you can only control you.”
Another wise man (Tim Gunn) said “Take the high road. You will never regret taking the high road.”
Comparing how people grieve or measuring what we/they have lost is pointless. NO ONE knows how another feels pain, love, etc. I may love my dog more than another loves their child. No one CAN KNOW… We try to empathize; we offer thoughts and prayers. Or do acts of service. Or we snark over who has had it the worst. (NOT TALKING ABOUT US POSTERS, just in general.)
Funny how life gives us wake-up calls as things are spiraling out of control. Carole, Jill Z., Dorinda, and Bethany have had great losses through death. Others: A divorce is a huge loss; if not of the person, than of the hope and dream. Why can’t they turn that sense of loss into compassion and kindness instead of comparing? CHOOSE love over fear? Seems it is time for them (and many of us perhaps?) to take the high road.
Nanette, have you seen Ash Beckham’s Ted Talk from Boulder 2013?
She talks about all this… having the hard conversations. Hard is hard whether you are talking about telling your family you are gay, or that they have cancer, etc.
“Hard is not relative, hard is just hard”.
I listen to it periodically. I find a lot of meaning in it, and think Dorinda should watch it.
I like your post, a lot, Nanette. You’re a good gal.
Co-signed! 😉 Nannette apparently rocks!
Well said.
So Carole says Bethany has “rich white girl problems” that’s a laugh since Bethany has always WORKED!! She didn’t inherit her money like Carole and Dorinda did and Bethany worked for every penny she has made she also does a lot of charity work and donates her money too. Carole has changed this season with her bad attitude, horrible wardrobe and we have seen how cruel she can be. A true friend would put all their differences aside and run to comfort them which he actions have spoken volumes about who she really is and how she truly feels. I use to like the old Carole but I do think like the new one and I’m glad she’s leaving
I never liked the old Carol either a Zebra can’t change it’s stripes and Carol is even more entitled,more vain than she first started but that is the Carol I have always seen .
There is something about Carole and Dorinda describing themselves as widows and saying that loss is worse than divorce that rubs me the wrong way.
I may not be able to express it exactly, but it seems like a Ramona’s 20-year marriage ending (although in divorce) is closer to how we think of widows’ lives changing and them having to redefine themselves as a single person after so long as a couple.
Carole was married for 5 years. She knew her husband had cancer when she married him and he had cancer for the entire marriage obviously. It wasn’t some storybook perfect life that was suddenly cut short.
Dorinda was married for 6 years. He was not her daughter’s father (Hannah’s father was Dorinda’s earlier husband whom she divorced.)
Although the loss of these two husbands was tragic, these women were not the traditional widow we think of who were married young and lost their husbands 50 years later. They have spent a lifetime defining themselves as a wife and half of a couple. All of their friends were friends who knew them as a couple.
Sonja, Luanne, and Ramona all had longer marriages and had children in those marriages. So although their marriages ended in divorce, it was a much harder transition to become single than either Carole or Dorinda had. Add in co-parenting, and it’s an ongoing lost-romance connection.
To say that their widowhood was harder than the other ladies’ divorces is rude and likely not true. I think Bethenny’s divorce is probably harder than any of the ladies’ divorces or widowhoods.
Most psychologists would agree with you that divorce is just as painful, if not worse, than the death of a spouse. When there is a divorce, one has to be constantly reminded of a very painful end. Even so, I think it is despicable to just dismiss the pain of one’s tragedy. We all experience tragedy very differently.
^^This!^^ I agree with you both! Loss is loss, and it all sucks, and we shouldn’t be dismissive of the pain someone else is experiencing. It’s never a competition because someone else’s loss isn’t about US. It’s about them, and what they feel, so should listen and be supportive without comparing to what we have been through, ourselves.
Divorce is indeed a complicated form of grief, and extremely painful because one doesn’t always have any form of closure and so often the issues that bring someone to divorce can become even more painful or nasty when there is no longer the need to be civil to try to work on things or something to be personally gained from the intact relationship (nasty custody battles, or disputes over assets, abusers who continue to try to control their ex, for example). It can be absolute torture and torment that lasts for years and years.
You are both right, in my opinion. It would be self centered for me to believe that “you should feel this way” because of my own personal experiences. There is no “amount” of grief a person is allowed to feel with a loss – someone else may have experienced multiple tragedies prior to this loss, have an incredibly close relationship to this person, or they may have a mental/physical health condition, or they may be faced with financial stresses or concerns about their children, etc.
The experience of grief is as individual as the person experiencing it, and it is usually as complicated and deeply felt as the relationship with the person they have lost… And the way that person was lost can make a difference, as well: someone who suddenly loses a child may experience a different kind of grief than a person who loses someone to a long and painful terminal illness. When we have the opportunity to say goodbye, or to have some degree of peace or closure, it MIGHT be easier to handle than if the circumstances were different.
The length of time of a marriage does not dismiss someone’s love or pain from a loss.
Bethenny, my heart goes out to you & I love ya, hun. I’m so sorry about Dennis. Big Hugs to you.
It makes me sick to read all of the posts, on here, and blogs on Bravo, which are negative towards Bethenny.
It’s shameful.
Agree with ya there that it is a shame that people can post insensitive comments without regard to someone else’s feelings. It’s easy to pass judgment when we don’t actually know these people… It helps me to remember that reality TV shows exist NOT to reflect reality, but to entertain us. Since so much of what we find entertaining is dramatic or sensational (so different from our own lives), people get whipped up into a frenzy, or have definite opinions, at minimum… but thats why these shows exist. Sensational storylines get us talking, and keep the ratings up!
As I’m sure you already know, it’s not really “real” in the same sense that our own lives are real. So much of reality tv is scripted/contrived and set up, or edited in post production for the sake of storyline, and its easy for angry people to forget that in a sense, these celebs are actors just like any other. They just might not have to memorize their lines to the same degree. Some of what we see on TV and social media is indeed very real, while much more is really intended for our entertainment.
TLDR: I think people take this stuff way too seriously sometimes, and that we should all play nicely with one another, regardless of what we think we “know” 😉
Bungalow Chris, I completely agree with you. My prayers are for Dennis, such a sad loss. Jill, the mother of his children, his children and ALL who knew him and loved him, Bethenny included are mourning a loss that is probably indescribable to them in this moment. Bethenny referred to him as “her person”. Jill described him as the love of her life. His poor children, I cannot imagine the pain. Dennis was loved. They ALL lost someone they LOVED yesterday, period.
I hope everyone working through the loss of Dennis finds a way through with peace.
carole needs to move on from the show and bethenny which seems impossible for her to do. rich girl problems?? bethenny came onto bravo w/nothing — no money, husband, etc. and look at the business she built on her own not to mention her charible work. carole sits on her sofa, her claim to fame is her widowhood, john jr, the marathon (which we are all sick of hearing about) and has problems meeting a cosmo deadline for article and all deadlines. carole was obviously fired from bravo and needs to move on and leave bethenny alone.
There is something wrong with Carole and it’s just as bad as she accuses B. I’m know B. is extremely neurotic, but I have to say she has been consistently so. Compared to Carole who is a back stabber and who also seems to have a sensitivity chip missing beyond the B. situation. If these two weren’t once real close friends outside of filming, I would possibly be on Carole’s side ,but she has show that her character is in the dumps. She is self-righteous, extremely vindictive, and phony.
Look at the negative energy she has put into tweeting about B. this season. Yet, people attacked B. when she basically insinuated that Carol was fired. This is after Carole had put it out there through PR and press that Bethenny ran her off the show. B. can definitely be a butthole and a know-it-all with the other women, but I do not think that is why Carol was tired of her. I do think it has more to do with her ego and Adam.She is a user so she was done with B. so why not go at her in front of cast mates and the audience. So I can’t get on board saying that is what B. deserves when it come to Carole.
And the rich white girl problems doesn’t apply in the way Carole is talking about. I do think B. tends to be overly dramatic, but I also think it is because she is an emotional stuffer when it comes to issues. She lets it builds up and it floods out in a way where things are very exaggerated are blown out of portion on camera. But she has always been that way since the show started so I think it’s a personality thing. When in reality she has the means to take care of some of the issues, but things are off in her coping skills and her perception of problems at times. However, she always gets through them. I bet it comes from being the only child and HER particular childhood, and also trying to put too much on her shoulders. I see all of B’s flaws but I just am not buying she deserved what Carole did when Carole could have approached her before filming the season, off camera. I’m not surprised she had to delete a tweet that was ill-timed. But unlike some, I don’t put it past her actually knowing that man had died before putting those tweets out and being called out. There is something wrong with her.
Carole is an asshole
^ This!!
It’s called empathy folks too bad Bethanys tv cast mates don’t have any since the news broke. Why do people think her friends are the women on tv and she has no life/real friends outside the show ?? All this dumb ass speculation is pissing me off. The crap people come up with astounds me.
Lb Bethenny is not able to sustain friendships. I am deeply concerned that she is all alone right now.
I’m worried that she is all alone, as well. We all deserve support when we are going through something painful like this.
I hope Jill Zarin comes through for her.
I thought the Page Six story said Jill was out of the country. I went to verify before commenting and either I misremembered or they edited the heck out of the post. I could have sworn I read she was out of the country and would not be back for the funeral.
Tamara, I can’t find anything about Jill being out of the country. She did post an instagram of herself out in the city on Friday night.
Yeah, I must be thinking of someone else in the cast. Probably Sonja. Both Sonja and Jill love to run to Page Six.
Oh, I missed that. I hope someone is physically with Bethenny now. She needs that so much. All prayers for her.
I think Sonja said she was headed to Costa Rica and called B the night before to take that vacation but B didn’t go.
Really? I went to feed my aunt at her nursing home today because I was afraid she was alone right now. Lets get real about reality stars. Visit a friend who is alone in B’s honor.
Well good for you, and for telling us all about it. I am sure that many of us who post here have visited many people who are alone and still do, in and out of hospitals, nursing homes, or in their own homes. Our wishing that someone is visiting with Bethenny now is an extension of that principle. What is your point? The two are not mutually exclusive.
Well said!
It’s’s not a pissing contest and to make it one says more about them.
It sounds like she was saying make sure your own are ok before worrying about a reality star and I don’t think she was turning it into a competition. I agree with you though that well wishes aren’t a finite resource, there’s plenty to go about lol.
And why would any of us not take care of our own, at the very least, and also not reach out to others as well? Her sarcastic “Really”? said it all.
Woah… calm yourself witchypoo… I never said you wouldn’t lol.
I like them both, but they are like oil and water. B is high energy, neurotic and driven, and Carole is the opposite. But they’re both smarter than their cast mates, and enjoyed mocking the silliness of it all together. It could never last, given the differences between them.
I hope that, at some point, they can push past the frayed relationship and stop hurting each other.
Bethenny was deeply hurt in her childhood and carries so much emotional baggage and so much of her lashing out comes from the walls she throws up to keep people from being to close and able to hurt her. Part of me is disgusted by this behavior, the other part, much larger part just wants to give her a hug or high five and congratulate her on her successes in life. Everyone who was supposed to love her unconditionally hurt her deeply, and by the time she got married so many of her self destructive relationship behaviors were set in stone. She is a go getter in business and has built herself something to be very proud of but her relationships are a mess. That’s why she is so protective of her daughter and tries so very hard to do all in her power to make her happy. Carole was one of the very few people who were let in to the very small area that could really wound Bethenny. I think Carole was annoyed when all the volunteer work after the hurricanes took over Bethenny a time and her walking a marathon looks so small compared to what Bethenny had accomplished in Puerto Rico. Carole is flat the fuck out jealous of Bethenny, full on jealous. Makes me so sad.
I honestly do not think that’s the problem-jealously. Try more like anti social personality disorder, OCD, maybe an eating disorder on Bethenny Frankels part. She has trouble with any relationship, most of her life seems to be a competition.
She spends her time proving and justifying that she is worthy and she competes against herself. What she has she built and she is afraid someone is going to take it all away, whether she realizes this or not is another thing. Carole has this I don’t care, I can’t be bothered by the little things attitude and Bethenny concentrated on those little things. Bethenny is very damaged.
I feel terrible for Bethany. She does have terrible problems being able to sustain close relationships.That makes this death all the worse for her. It sounded like Dennis was solid and had a strong enough identity to handle her. I think she’s really devastated. I heard she put a stop to Bravo from commenting on it. I think this is making this woman feel so alone in the world. In some ways I hope she’s not on the show next year. It would feel expoitive.
In addition to Carole leaving there should be others. They have made it clear that they wanted to bring BF down…and it failed. Just like Carole’s evil plan failed.
Carole…how does it feel to be a loser? Now take Ramona, Dorinda and Tinsley on a long walk off a short pier. Maybe that boat is available.
Someone needs to shoot Carole’s Twitter. That’s all I got.
Carole was not tweeting bitter tweets about raging narcissist B. She was posting totally non B tweets killing time at her Dr’s office when Bethenny’s insane cult of super fans descended and started insulting her, as per. They follow B’s example of attacking Carole for no reason and as often as possible That white woman tweet was actually from a tweeted insult directed AT Carole. She was just throwing it back at B’s nutball fans. And making some great points in the process.
What is your source? Come on, back up the lies.
It’s really hard to believe knowing Carole’s MO all season. On the anniversary of her husbands death, she could have taken the high road…for once.
So this is not really believable.
Carole has been skating on her husband’s last name and connections forEVER. She has barely any credentials of her own.”B” is self-made and that kills ole Radzi, as Heather called her.
Carole is a knarly old twat who is bored, lonely and terrified of of becoming irrelevant.
Is it wrong that it drives me crazy that so many years into her tv career/businesses, most people still cannot spell bethenny’s name correctly? I mean, some of ya’ll really butcher it lol
Completely unimportant given the real-life situation she’s in, yes, I realize this, but it drives me batty the same way people calling Tamra on OC “Tamara” does.
I suppose that is my petty gripe for the day lol
Bethenny is having a horrible time. Death of Cookie, death of her friendship with Carole and now the death of her boyfriend. Isn’t life shit sometimes?
The TT community is so divided on this one! IMO Carole sucks. Plain and simple. One of these people is open about their rough upbringing. One of these people HUSTLES for what they have. One of these people can’t even meet a 1,500 word deadline for a trash can publication.