Girls! Can you believe it? We’re going to Andales! I don’t recall a cast trip with only three cast members before but I am here for it!
But first, I’m in the minority regarding the drama with Kelly and Vicki. I don’t think it was wrong of Vicki to go out with her man, whose name I can never remember, is it Steve?, on a double date with Michael and his new girlfriend. First of all Steve and Michael became very close during filming. And secondly Kelly could not stand Michael at this time and didn’t care what he was doing. It would be different if Michael left Kelly for another woman and Kelly was at home crying over Michael, but Kelly filed the divorce papers and infidelity wasn’t the reason for the divorce. Why are they hanging her on a cross like Jesus was? Kelly thinks it is the same thing as if Tamra double dated with David Beador. It’s not the same at all.
Speaking of Shannon Beador, Tamra and Vicki are going to Mexico to meet up with Shannon Beador! Las Tres Amigas! Tamra sort of rides the fence with Vicki about the Kelly situation on the way to the airport. Let’s just get to Mexico where shit gets real, quickly!
Once again Kelly’s 12-year-old is being included in all of her drama. This time she’s filling her in on the whole situation with HER FATHER dating someone else and hanging out with Vicki and her beau. This is not okay. Kelly thinks her daughter is her therapist. That’s so wrong. Kelly is going skiing in Aspen with her friends and her daughter during filming season. Why is this allowed?
New girls Emily and Gina go to the park with all of their kids to partake in Stroller Strides where packs of mommies take over a park to exercise while pushing strollers. I’m bored. I hate Gina’s voice. I apologize for saying this every episode but GAWS. Emily’s twins are not in strollers. Clearly they are angry about their buzz cuts. They are adorable boys though.
Shannon’s three daughters are headed back to the OC without her flying solo. I love to see this. Get them starting traveling young. I guess since Shannon was already in the airport with her kids, or perhaps because the rules are different in Mexico, Shannon is able to greet Vicki and Tamra at the end of the Jetway with large obnoxious Mexican Hats and a serving tray with three very large Tequila shots. The whooping it up literally begins the second their feet hit Mexican soil. Ah, She actually was not at the gate. She was at the arrivals area. I was wondering because they were in first and there were a lot of people in front of them. Immediately they all fall down hugging taking the shot glasses and tray down with them. Security has to intervene to help them not kill themselves. Vicki apparently peep her pants. Good Grief. Can’t these people travel anywhere without making a spectacle of themselves?
The three of them waste no time getting to Andales. I would never leave that gorgeous suite. Y’all I drink A LOT. And the number of tequila shots (and odd boob grabs by the female shot girl) would have me on the floor. But these three fools are dancing on the bar! Tamra is flashing her boobs at the entire packed house. Vicki promised Steve she would not get on the bar. Steve apparently has some sort of moral compass that comes with adulthood, or at least old age, that Shannon and Tamra lack. Steve advises Vicki not to do anything that she would not do in front of her grandkids in public. (aka on camera where it will be seen by the grandkids eventually).
When they leave the club, Shannon, the mother of three daughters, can barely walk. They head off in search of food and drunken bonding. Tamra talks about her undying love for Eddie. Vicki says she is so guarded now with Steve after the fiasco with Brooks. So guarded that she’s moved him into her house and keeps asking him to marry her. Shannon says she used to feel that way about David. Super drunk Shannon starts blathering on about how she has been with Vicki so many times when she’s said Brooks is her soulmate. See, this I view as a much bigger violation of girl code than Vicki and Steve double dating with Michael. Tamra say similar things in her talking head.
This hotel is getting a crappy promotional. I tried three times to see the name of the hotel and could not. Back in their suite, Tamra is naked in the hot tub on the balcony alone. Tamra gets out of the hot tub and wipes out on the marble floor. Shannon gets in the hot top in spanx. More tequila for Tamra.
Vicki and Shannon fell asleep but Tamra started to realize her foot was broken. She went to the hospital alone in the middle of the night and is now in a cast. They had a least 15 tequila shots each the night before.
It literally takes three people to carry Tamra down to the beach. Shannon has a tequila tasting scheduled for later which means more drunken crying. I cannot drink Tequila. I am a sobbing mess on Tequila. It’s a downer drink for me. Tamra is on painkillers and falls asleep during dinner. This leaves Shannon and Vicki to taste the tequila. Shannon is humiliated that David has found someone else within weeks of their split. Shannon and Vicki hug and kiss.
Next week: Shannon sees a US doctor about her fracture and it is worse than she thought. Vicki and Kelly get together to fight.
In regards to vacation policies, perhaps Evolution Media has looser rules than the other production companies that work with Bravo? RHOC has done other partial cast trips in the past, and Kyle was allowed to go completely off-camera when she did a family trip to Croatia during last season of RHOBH. (I believe she only had to do a Facetime call with Rinna.)
And sorry not sorry, I still don’t trust Steve. Sure, he seems to put on a much better front than Brooks. However, I know enough about his past to suspect he’s (still) up to no good. And even if setting up Michael with their friend had no shady intent, Vicki could have at least given Kelly a heads-up before filming began.
Also, what is it about Tamra and naked tub scenes? I’ll never be able to bleach that Season 6 bathtub scene out of my brain. Ah, my beloved homeland, the land of the OC… 😂
What about Steve? Every time I see him I want to tell Vicki to run run run. His vibe is sketchy.
When Steve Lodge was a Santa Ana cop in 1989, he beat a man with a baton for committing the heinous crime of jaywalking. The victim later sued, and was awarded a $612,000 judgment.
And that’s not all: Lodge has also come under fire for additional allegations of excessive use of force, and for framing someone for a murder charge that ultimately didn’t stick. And on top of all that, Lodge tried twice to win a seat on the Anaheim City Council. Despite falsifying his address and adding “Chavez” to his name in a desperate attempt to win Latinx votes, he lost twice.
Long story short: Lodge has a reputation in OC as a crooked cop, and I’m genuinely concerned for Vicki’s well-being.
I’ve read some of this before about Steve. Vicki seeks out the sleaziest scum bags. I always heard opposites attract…guess not with Vicki and Steve.
Yep. When it comes to his rap sheet, Steve is even worse than Brooks. Is it the allure of “the bad boy”, or is there something deeper in Vicki that keeps drawing her to these sleazy scumbags?
I think it’s more that THEY are the ones that pay attention to her. Let’s face it, Vicki is not going to attract the typical normal, nice person. She’s bat shit, and everyone knows it. And I hate to say it, but she’s really not that attractive. The normal guys aren’t responding to her, but the assholes who also don’t have a lot of options can see the “opportunity” she can give them… money/“fame”/etc… She’s desperate for love so she’ll put up with pretty much anything.
I’m shocked I had no idea
I was just getting a very strong vibe watching him on RHOC like he was shady based on his body language
atdleft, really? Wow, I thought he was a super detective or chief or something. Thanks for the info, will keep a different eye on him.
Vicki HAD to have known some of this. That seems like she does have a tendency for drama, lol, or something to talk about.
Hmmm. Brianna loves him too. For now.
Thanks again, I’m so surprised but don’t know why, lol.
Really.
When he first appeared on Season 11, he looked familiar. I did my homework, and realized he’s the dirty cop who kept trying to make himself happen in Anaheim.
It’s been over two years since then. I’m sure someone must have tried to explain all this to Vicki. But for whatever reason, she’s clinging onto him, just like she did with Brooks.
She really needs some help in learning how to make better relationship decisions, especially when it comes to picking romantic partners.
He definitely does give off a strange vibe, and the comment above about his problems as a police officer and running for office explains why. Adding Chavez as his last name to try and win votes – that’s downright fraudulent. Really not surprised he’s with Vicki though – it sounds as though he’s desperate to have his name known and be in the public eye. Why else would he put up with all her rules and rubbish when first moved in with her? I can understand having a general idea of how the chores should be split, but she takes it to whole new levels. Maybe she already senses that he’s not going to do them otherwise. I’m afraid she’s in for more heartbreak with this one – her taste in men is not very good, to put it mildly.
Don’t know about everything with Mr. Lodge, but he is at least partially Mexican and the settlement was 292,000, not 600,000+. He moved into consulting after he was done with his work in the Santa Ana police dept.
I looked through my source materials some more, and you’re correct about the settlement. The initial jury award was $612,000, but it must have been appealed and then settled at $292,000.
And yes, Lodge may have Mexican ancestors in his family lineage, but it was quite the curious move for him to suddenly add “Chavez” to his name when he first decided to run for city council in 2012. But for me, the much bigger issues were his SAPD track record, his company angling for a contract with the city while he was running for council, and his carpetbagging to West Anaheim when the city switched to district elections in 2016 (he previously claimed his Anaheim Hills house as his primary residence, and he had just purchased another house in Murrieta with a VA loan).
Wow! Thank you for sharing
And do you remember that Breanna even said she likes Steve. Surely they have researched him and know these things.
I’m originally from OC. My God father is kinda a big in Anaheim and he knows Steve Lodge. He told me the guy is scum. This is not something he would ever say lightly.
Thanks for the confirmation.
Since he’s now taking a bigger role on RHOC, perhaps he’s finally giving up on his political career in Anaheim… But he still seems to be doing stuff behind the scenes, and I interpreted last night’s episode as him not wanting Vicki to embarrass him. Because of course, Steve is the one who has to worry about others embarrassing him (eye roll).
He picked the WRONG companion then! First, reality shows and embarrassment go hand in hand. Then, to be with Vicki…the shrieking…falling down drunk…incontinence caught on camara …. and “WOOHOO ad nauseam.” Maybe he is looking at potential future campaign backing from Vicki and her costars.
That’s true, Vicki was concerned about her behavior and Steve’s instructions.
Hmmm. If Shannon latches on to all this, it perhaps may be a different season.
It is Garza Blanca Preserve Resort. This episode was such a blast for me because I recognized everything during their Mexico trip. I have stayed at Garza Blanca but not in the luxury condo suite the ladies had. Andeles is a blast, but doesn’t really pick up until after about 10 p.m.
I’m with you TT, that I am on Vicky’s side in the argument about Michael dating. Kelly seemed to hate his guts at the time so I’m sure Vicky didn’t think you would be any sort of violation to go on a double date. I love these travel episodes! The jury is still out on the two newbies.
I don’t think it’s about Vicki and Steve double dating with Michael and the other woman. I think the whole point is that Vicki should have told Kelly. Kelly had to find out about it all from a text from someone she hardly knows, rather than from her friend. I get why that would be hurtful.
This is why Bravo loves Vicki. She knows how to create storylines that turns into conflict. Looks like Tamra wants to catch the eye of a cameraman to be nude twice. This show was embarrassing.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought this. In the hot tub scene, Tamra was doing her best to showcase her boobs. It’s a wonder she didn’t fracture her spine given how much she was arching her back.
I do too. Vicki would be preaching at someone, “that’s not what friends do,” had a friend been double dating with Donn right after their split. Throughout the history of RHOC, Vicki has been the friend police. She has preached to, lectured, and berated Tamra over Gretchen….who Tamra wasn’t supposed to be friends with, but Vicki could be when she and Tamra fell out. She did the same thing to Tamra when she was married to Simon. I remember the dinner party where Vicki went on and on how Tamra needed to defend Vicki to Simon. I mean, Simon was an ass, but Vicki meddled in their marriage nonstop. Then, told Tamra a friend should defend a friend to her husband.
kelly’s issue her friend from Daily Mail called her to say Vicki ,Steve and Michael were double dating and she was not given a heads up by Vicki.Vicki as a friend I believe should of said hey Kelly Michael wants to date my friend as a heads up.
Jeff Lewis called Vicki out for lying to Kelly on the radio
I can not stand Vicki and if she continues to be as boring as she was in Mexico she might be digging her own OG grave ,I hope she gets fired her worry over Steve and what he thinks .To-kil-lya is what my friends and I have called tequila it is a straight up upper when I drink it.LOL.
My husband watched this episode with me and we laughed through the whole show.Well the 3 amigos anyway.
Shannon in spanx in the hot tub was classic Shannon humor.
Tamra breaking her foot damn that would of sucked at least in Mexico they gave her pain meds to deal with the pain.here in the USA I know a lady broke her knee cap doctors told her to take tylenol,USA is afraid you will become an addict so people are being refused care .
The new girls so far are boring.
I think Kelly talking in front of Jolie opened the door for them to have that talk about friendship.
Kelly is correct Vicki doesn’t know how to be a friend and season after season has proven that she is nobody’s friend..Jolie is 1 smart cookie .
I can understand Kelly being a bit hurt and put out when she found out that Vicki and Steve had gone out to eat with Michael and his new girlfriend, but Vicki was right in not running to Kelly with the news. Vicki explained how she felt very clearly and why she said nothing. Kelly kicked Michael out, not the other way around – she made it crystal clear she didn’t want him anymore, and he doesn’t have to report to her (or have anyone else do it) regarding his love life. Vicki would have been so wrong if she had told Kelly that Michael met a new woman at a BBQ at her house, and that she and Steve had double-dated with them. Kelly would have done her usual freak-out, over-reacted and probably called Michael up and given him hell. He would have been pissed off that Vicki reported to Kelly on his private life, and it would have probably ruined his friendship with Steve and Vicki. Kelly should have realized that Vicki and Steve, by being friends with Michael, were in a very difficult position. She should have understood and been glad that they weren’t running round gossiping what either one of them was up to. Furthermore, it’s not an example of broken girl code, Vicki wasn’t dating Michael after they broke up – which is number 1 on the girl code list. My understanding is that girl code consists of things like watching out for your girlfriends in clubs, making sure they’re safe, being there for them when things are good or bad, don’t flirt with their boyfriends or guys they’re interested in, let them know if their boyfriends are cheating (do that carefully), don’t date their brothers (or sisters) unless they’re comfortable with it, tell them if an outfit looks really bad on them, and treat all women with respect. Vicki didn’t break any of those rules. She used discretion, which was nice to see. Kelly needs to settle down and get over it. What her ex does, or who he dates, is none of her business any more and she shouldn’t expect any of her friends to report in on him.
I love the scenery in Mexico and the beautiful hotel, but I am over watching three middle-aged women getting falling down drunk and flashing their boobs. Not a pretty sight. I was embarrassed for them.
Kelly also has extreme delayed development — she is like a teenage friend of her daughter. Shameful that she is discussing her issues with Jolie’s father with her. I can’t tell if she is just stupid, drunk or both to act and talk so childishly.
I am on Vickie’s side with the Kelly argument. Kelly has acted awfully to Michael and when talking about him. She said she wanted him to move on. She is clearly dating. I am sure it was a surprise, but Vickie wasn’t flaunting it in her face, and Steve is a real friend with Michael. I don’t think Kelly would have had a more positive response if Vickie disclosed the information at the time.
I’ve always thought Kelly was delayed somehow. The way she kept flicking peoples noses in Ireland and not understanding that it wasn’t funny. It was like a 10 year old boy teasing. Then her constant memorized joke lines “Tell the truth, Ruth,” and “No, you are” responses are all childish.
I never post but am on this site all the time…love TT!! Tonight I had to stop watching….the Mexico scene of them all drunk, man that was time in my life I will never get back. OC is awful, boring, stale? They all looked like crap in Mexico – that morning after scene was bad. Did they not get the memo that bleach blond hair makes them look haggard? Hard to believe Shannon is 53? She looks horrible. Wow. The earlier seasons were on today, man those were so much better. Now its just a spectacle of middle aged overweight women being ridiculous. I lived in the OC, they are an embarrassment. Wow. I am sticking to NYC. This was bad.
Mkat22, your comment was so spot on :).
As long as there is RHNY, I will always love that best.
To me, that is how the shows all should be. Just love the New York ladies.
lol, and Sonja flopping on the bar flashing her vajay jay, Dorinda wildy drunk screaming insults and breaking wine glasses in restaurants and Luanne beating up on cops is sooo much classier.
Yep.
You should comment more Mkat22, because you are spot on 😉
Kelly hasn’t cared about Michael for years and now she decides to give a shit? She needs to grow up and not try have have her daughter be her sounding board for her freak out. That girl is more mature than her mother is, she will probably need therapy after being raised by Kelly. It’s not Vickie’s job to inform her of the fact that Michael is dating on of her friends. Still not sure about the new girls, haven’t really seen them with the others. Mexico looks fun, then again it always does.
I’m quite bored with the new two women. Is Gina going to officially separate ? I’m surprised anyone agreed to this arrangement living apart. It’s not like he’s got a job abroad. What is she not telling us?
I wonder if part of the boredom with the new girls, is watching mothers with little kids is boring. And the one that was bitching she wanted another one, says she needs therapy and meds to handle the ones she has. To me three is plenty, and focus some on your husband so you dont end up divorced. The girls trip in Mexico is way more my style. It was pretty funny. For me, Ive kept an open mind about Steve. I imagine there’s alot of law suits, and he wasn’t fired, so maybe there’s two sides to the story. I still think he’s an upgrade, which is probably why Vickie seems not so excited. Tamra sees it too and actually said it in her talking head! I just hope that maybe it’s just a quieter type of love. Theres more than one type of love, and you cant allways compare against what other people have, BUT Vickie seems kinda depressed, and not nearly as giddy about Steve as Brooks. Im not sure Vickie can appreciate a good relationship though, which I think Tamra can. I actually think Tamra functions better in a couple, than Vickie does. Vickie allways starts bossing and bitching, making the guy feel like he’s a disappointment, and less of a man. Yikes!
I don’t understand more than two children… you only have two hands to grab them, what happens to the third when they are misbehaving? Do you kick it?!
I think too, that if your spouse doesnt want any more kids, thats it. Theres nothing to discuss. It has to be the both of you on board for it. Sounds like they went thru a ton, to get their family and its alot that the husband has gone thru allready, so lets not get greedy.
LOL Vickie80! She said she had a sister when she was growing up and wanted her daughter to have that same kind of closeness, that’s why she wants another girl. I’ve got news for her, it doesn’t always turn out like that – they could end up hating each other’s guts as they get older. Plus, that’s a really stupid reason for having another baby, especially if she’s on medication and in therapy taking care of the ones she already has. Her husband probably recognizes that and that’s why he’s so adamant about no more kids.
She was joking about therapy and meds. Her daughter is “odd man out” partly because she’s the only girl, but also because the boys are twins ,
I thought that too, and then I Googled him and saw that footage of him in that hotel lobby beating up on that man he claims was cheating with his ex wife with. The guy comes off really clean and as the noble ex cop. Looks like thought he was Dirty Harry though. And four ex wives. How much child support and alimony is paying out of his pension?
It’s kinda obvious he’s not that into her. So why is he with her? I smell another Brooks. Slicker, but yeah, he’s eyeing her money.
He’s not that into her. He acts superior and Vicky has a way of helping a man feel superior and inferior at the same time. She puts on a dumb voice and emphasizes “squeenish/girly” aspects.
Her being a baby and also insistent about the skin being off her salmon.
Her being all freaked out about handguns while Steve and Ryan smirked about it and got a chance to feel manly and smug. She hadn’t even known Steve always has a gun on him until that moment and he said it to her like it was normal and she was a laughing stock.
I still need to watch the whole scene between Vicki and Kelly, but here’s my 2 cents so far. The problem isn’t that Kelly is jealous (she doesn’t want him), but that Vicki is riding the fence between Kelly and Michael. Double dating multiple times with Kelly’s estranged husband is basically taking his side in the divorce, or NOT taking Kelly’s side. Yeah, yeah, we shouldn’t have to take sides when couple friends break up, but this dynamic exists for a reason. Kelly wants a friend who will be loyal to her, who won’t pass gossip back to her ex, and who won’t be some kind of shit stirrer in a situation that is already fraught.
I said I wasn’t going to watch RHOC this season. I just can’t stand Vicki. While flipping through channels earlier I watched a little to see if I could stomach her. I just can’t. They were on the beach with with Vicki shrieking about Kelly being in the wrong. I watched Vicki enough seasons to know that had Tamra, or anyone else for that matter, double dated with Donn right after their split, Vicki would have lost her damn mind. She didn’t want Donn’s ass, but goes batshit crazy if Briana and Ryan have anything to do with him.
I completely agree with everything you said Mel. I have not watched this season at all and have no desire to. Can’t stand Vicki or Kelly. I have not liked Vicki since the Brooks fiasco. I think she wants any man who gives her a moment’s attention. BAH.
Great point Something Clever. Kelly’s divorce is still a very fresh open wound and I’m Team Kelly. I think it’s more the principle that by setting up Michael Vicky did something that she had to know would hurt Kelly. Vicki kept it a secret out of guilt not loyalty because she just proved she has none. And if Kelly double dated with Brooks a YEAR after he & Vicki broke up Vicki would have busted her vocal cords screaming and have to be 5150’d, sit in a rubber room and mumble to herself for the next 6 months! No, no Vicki has one solid standard of morals, loyalty, friendship & proper social behaviour for others and another massively less standard for herself. Pathetic. She’s filling her love tank alright…with poison.
I think another part of the Michael/Vicki hanging out thing is that Kelly wants Michael out of her life as much as possible. She will have enough of him with their custody arrangements.
This situation keeps him too close to her social circle. Their relationship was clearly contentious, and she was looking forward to a break. This makes it messier.
I don’t like that Vicki told Kelly – and suddenly – after she crushes Kelly – that is remembers she is not to tell. If Michael wants to keep secrets then he can “man up” and tell his ex wife himself.
To make a woman speak for you michael, you suck. Thought Kelly and Michael were in a good place, til he lied to her. Geez
Do we know that Michael lied to Kelly or is it just something Vicki said?
OMG, Jolie is a really smart, wise kid. I hope Kelly finds an adult cast member to film with, though, as this show will fuck up any kid.
Once again, I LMAO’d at Vicki falling and making an ass out of herself. And I loved the drunken antics at the bar. Damn, I need a vacation.
Regarding the two new cast members – their scenes were too much like my real life not all that long ago. It’s pretty typical of affluent areas of SoCal – seeing the yoga moms in their expensive Lululemon clothing, keeping fit so their rich husbands don’t leave them. Ick.
I hate when parents ask their children “do you want to get up” etc. like Gina was doing. I can’t remember my parents asking us anything when we were children. We were told what to do, “put your toys away” “make your bed”. And if we didn’t obey there were repercussions. We were smart enough to realize we better just do it without being told. You have to have a certain level of expectation for your children if you want them to grow up and be responsible, independent adults. If you ask a kid “do you want to take brush your teeth”? and they say “no”, then what?
Mine did. I didn’t have to get up out of bed early on the weekends. Kelly’s problem is she talks to her daughter like she’s her girlfriends. Kids want parents, not friends.
I honestly don’t understand why Kelly feels so upset about her ex husband dating someone else when she had clearly stated she doesn’t want him and wants him to date again. It’s not Vicki’s job to keep tabs on her ex husband.
Hell when my ex husband started dating again I made a point to meet the woman he was dating and believe it or not I really liked her. She treats our child like gold and is genuinely a really cool lady. Shoot,I like her way more than I do my ex husband. Maybe if Kelly got out of her self pitty woe is me party she would see it’s better to get along than cause more drama for her and her child. Every time my kid has to go visit his dad for summer I’m grateful his girlfriend is there because my son loves her and she makes sure he is well cared for. My son has had nothing but good things to say about his dad’s girlfriend. I guess I’m just lucky in that department but concerning Kelly it seems more based in jealousy that another woman is with her ex and possibly around her child. Hopefully she will get to the point I did and accept her ex and his new life because once she does divorce becomes so much easier. Sometimes you find you actually find a friendship in your ex husbands partner like I did.
I really don’t think Kelly cares who Michael is dating. She cares that her “friend” did not tell her and she had to hear about it from someone at “The Daily Mail” who was about to run a story about it. I would expect a friend to tell me as well.
I agree Just Another Mary!!!
Had the roles been reversed, Kelly would probably have said “OMG, really? who cares!”.
Also Vicki treated Kelly like shit. Yelling at her that she is out of line and not in the right. Kelly has totally supported Vicki this whole time even when nobody would talk to or film with her.
Even if Vicki was right, the bitch could have used some tact & showed some compassion for Kelly. Divorce is so personal.
I know Kelly is acting like she doesn’t give a shit about Michael but that doesnt mean it’s not hurtful when your best friend starts double dating your fresh ex. Vicki is SUCH a bitch.
I see it a bit different, as I think Kelly was jealous in a competive way, about Michael, even more than feeling bad about the friendship with Vickie. I thought that, after reading about the comment Kelly made, that she wouldnt have been upset, if she had known who the woman was, because she considered that woman as old and looking like the cat woman. I think Kelly will see every woman Michael dates as a direct comparision to herself. She saw herself as too good for Michael, and it shatters that view, if he finds someone equal or better than her in desireability. I think Vickie sees some of herself in Kelly and doesnt like that, as she treated Donn the same way. So, if anything she sympathizes more with Michael, because she sees she wasnt better than Donn now. She also got tossed aside by Brooks in a similar heartless fashion, for someone younger. Michael does not owe Kelly any info about his love life, and Im shocked that anyone would think he does. Some here have thought he should have told her. Talk about gender bias. Kelly was on the prowl this whole time, bragging about the fiance she used to have, and Michael is supposed to have to worry about Kelly’s pride now?
Ok, ok how about we look at this situation through a different point of view. As Sir Arthur Conan Doyle’s literary character Sherlock Holmes said, There is nothing more elusive than an obvious fact”. In other words, Never trust the obvious you will be wrong every time. The question is, is Kelly upset about Michael hooking up with another woman, or is Kelly upset that Vicki, her BFF that she stood by through Vicki’s hard times, was integral in making the hook-up happen?? I believe Kelly was devastated that Vicki took part in something Kelly perceived as a betrayal between BFFs. So look at the opposite. If Michael had been at a BBQ at Jane Doe Richy Rich’s house and been set up by jane doe, whom Kelly doesn’t know’ Kelly would never, never had the meltdown she did. Therefore the whole debacle was about Vicki’s involvement. Kelly said Michael was controlling and controlling people are also manipulative. I think Mike went to Vicki’s and set the whole thing up knowing it would get back to kelly & hurt her. There’s a reason people also divide friends, not just tupperware, in a divorce.
Vicki is insufferable. I just cannot find levity with her in the show. I’m constantly eye rolling. I watched the season1 marathon today. My my my has she changed.
I watched it too! I didn’t start watching OC until the later seasons. And, wow, has she changed! She was at least tolerable way back in 2005 (when it was actually filmed). Now, she’s an abomination!
Grown women acting like Girls Gone Wild — a full 35 years younger than these drunken bar flies. All for fame? Who does this sh** past their 20s (if at all).
Ummm.. why do you keep saying “Shannon, the mother of three daughters” lol like it’s a title? So what, they aren’t there?
Thanks for recapping so I can follow along without having to watch. I can’t stand Vicki. After the comments here about Steve’s bad vibe, I’m curious to watch to see how I react to him–but I just don’t know if I can take watching Vicki.
I worked the graveyard shift at a restaurant where we served the bar crowd each night, most were locals. There were huge tables, men falling asleep with their faces in the food. I’d walk by, try to move their head and pull plate aside, they were cool after a nap. The absolute worse customer were drunk women. Horrible, never tired, always loud and wound up. We did not have to tolerate any abuse or stupidity yet we always tried to work with the fools. Vicky, Tamara and Kelly would be a nightmare.
Kelly has no reason to be upset with Vicky, not Vicky’s problem.
Kelly is making a huge mistake telling her daughter so much.
Shannon needs to wise up, of course David is dating, he dated when he was living with her. Girlfriends age does not matter, only reflects on him. It is what most men do.
I don’t think the issue is that Vicki went on the double date or that Michael is dating, its that she didn’t even have the courtesy to give Kelly a heads up. Friends don’t do that to friends. Clearly she has no issue reporting back, she ran straight to the car to phone Michael to tell him all about Kelly’s reaction – how is that any of his business? Apparently it’s dicks over chicks in Vicki’s world.
Yeah Shannon’s a mother of 3… Vicki’s a mother of 2, Tamara’s a mother of 4, they’re both grandmothers too… Does life stop at the first contraction? 🤔
Dicks over chicks! Love it!
Thanks for the recap. Thought I would be watching but kept finding myself dreading Shannon’s scenes. Your recaps are better than the show anyway.
I don’t get why Shannon is upset over David moving on so quickly. Honey, your husband moved on with another woman at least 2 years before your divorce and probably a few more before her that you didn’t find out about. Good riddance to bad rubbish. You deserve better.
I agree with some of the other posters that I don’t want to see OC fembots chasing after little kids. Boring as hell.
Did anyone else think that Vicki seemed really sad not being able to join Shannon and Tamara whooping it up? I thought Steve seemed like a fabulous catch but after reading some of the things on here, maybe not.
I interpret it as Shannon being far more invested in that marriage than David was. I just hope that Shannon now recognizes he checked out long ago, and that she deserves much better.
I’m keeping an open mind on the newbies. Emily looks promising, as she has her own career and seems to have a healthy relationship with her spouse. We already know what’s happening to Gina’s marriage, so I guess we’ll have to wait and see how it falls apart.
On WWHL last night, a few callers said told Vicki she was their favorite housewife (WHY) and at one point, she nudged Andy and said something obnoxiously self-righteous like “See?” Take a seat, Vicki – if you were really that beloved, you wouldn’t have to point it out, and for every viewer who says you’re their favorite, there are two more who wouldn’t care if you got the boot tomorrow.
I fell asleep… you KNOW those were some of Vicki’s minions for sure.
“Two more who wouldn’t care if she got the boot”? I think it’s more like twenty more who would rejoice! 🙂
That poll had to been at least a tiny bit biased since people who can’t stand Vicki wouldn’t have tuned in to WWHL in the first place. Let her have her moment of smugness – it doesn’t hurt anyone.
This has been a snooze fest. And Vicki is just gross. I’m so over her. I was also bored with Tamara trying to show everyone her fake boobs. And then getting naked in the hot tub. I get it. You love your new body. But geez.
I do happen to think Vicki was wrong. If you are close friends that is going against girl code. She is choosing Michael over Kelly basically. She she should have. One to Kelly and asked if she minded if her ex was invited to a barbecue. The reason Vicki has been in show this long is because she is completely unfiltered and starts a lot of drama. Calling Eddie gay and many more things. She out and out lied about Brooks and cancer. I honestly thing Steve is not into her just into
Being on tv. Tamra is a trouble maker also and always has been. Remember the Gretchen days. But this show pays good money so the boring ones get booted and the trouble makers stay. I understand Kelly talking to her daughter. I did same and not in a great marriage but not divorced…. and my daughter is older 20 but can say from experience it does mess up their head and better not to treat your immature child as a buddy because she loves you both
Why doesn’t Vicki due something about her incontinence? I wouldn’t want her in my home, I have upholstered furniture. Does she just wander around peeing on everything? Has she never heard of panty liners? She said she hates to go potty, THEN WEAR A PAD. What gives her the right to piss all over everything? Would you want to be the next to sit in her seat on an airplane or in a restaurant? I pity Steve having to sleep with her, ewwwww! What is wrong with this woman?
I AGREE! Wear a panty liner, at the least. Can you imagine sliding out of a limo after her? You wouldn’t have to worry about the backs of your legs sticking to the leather, her piss would slide you right across. Ewwwwe!!!!
Yes! At the airport they showed her wed jeans. Later, in the hotel on the balcony she was wearing the same pants!! What the heck??? First thing most women would do is change pants.
This reminds me of Tamara sleeping in urine-soaked sweats in Iceland. These women put all of this time into hair and makeup but aren’t doing basic hygiene like changing soiled clothes.
It seems that crossing the border into Mexico makes everyone rowd, brawls, drinking party animals. All of the bars seem like Andele, down there and never close, heavy drinking drugging, jumping on tables, pouring down Tequlla. Another reason to build that wall! btw… another panga boat landed here two nights ago smuggling ppl in from Mexico that’s 3 in one month.
Fuck the wall and fuck you!
And how’s the wall gonna stop the boats?
What the fuck! Someone needs the WLS!
We are literally the only country in the world where people actually oppose secure borders. I’ve traveled all over the world and one of the most rigid immigration interrogations happens in CANADA. Defending our borders is simple common sense. We need to secure our northern borders as well. http://digital.vpr.net/post/arrests-double-illegal-crossings-canadian-vermont-border-climb#stream/0
Trumps proposed wall has nothing to do with immigration and secure borders – there’s already a fence stretching along the boundary line and border control has never been tighter. Its come to represent an anti ‘other’ rhetoric and it’s absolute bullshit. People risk life and limb to get to America because for some reason they see it as a gateway to a better life. I feel sorry that people have to go to such extremes. Most of them aren’t your enemy, they’re just trying to survive.
Even Mexico has a border with Guatemala. We let the 1% dictate to us what we think and feel! Come on people wake up! We can’t continue just to pussyfoot around making sure everybody likes us. As a country there are hard decisions to make. Hard decisions can cause discomfort.
Um, I didn’t realize I was riding in a car to France from Belgium – it was like driving from Washington to Oregon. Actually, our signs are bigger welcoming you to Oregon.
There wasn’t even a token border crossing booth.
Canada’s interrogations? I’ve never seen anyone get pulled aside for anything, and I cross the border (in multiple ways) at least once a year. Some years a lot more.
I have driven from Minnesota to Alaska on several occasions. Getting into the US has never been the problem, the issues come when trying to enter Canada. There I have had my vehicle searched as well as having my luggage gone through. The Canadian guards were very respectful and the searches are mostly random, but they are a lot tougher than Americans.
Maybe I’m lucky then… because on my multiple trips I’ve NEVER been searched, etc. I know the Canucks are stricter when it comes to felons and those who have DUIs, etc.
Now… I’m ok with more stringent questions, etc. It was a border crossing station that I used to frequent that caught the fucker that wanted to blow up the Space Needle… but even in light of that no one has suggested a “wall”. A wall between Canada and the USA would be insane, yet more terrorist threats that we know about have come from Canada vs. Mexico.
I’ve been suggesting a wall for years. It’s insane neither side has built one.
If you lock the doors at your home, how is border security any different? This is not an issue of color, no matter how many times someone tells you it is.
A man from Jordan just tried to smuggle in 6 men from Yemeni. Is that what you want for our country? I do not want that. Get in line and come here legally. If you don’t like our immigration laws, and who does, then press your representatives and senators to streamline the process.
I stopped reading the comments here in 2016 because of the vitriol in the comments. I can’t believe this post on 3 drunk middle age women turned political. I get that I’m not important to the site but I’ve been here since RHOA’s first show. I’ll still read TT’s recaps, but I can’t take the hate and 2020 is a long time away.
Boy, they sure did drink heavy! It was funny watching it, and I think they have a much better time in a small group like that, than with all of the ladies. Vickie did manage to behave herself though, but I see what Tamra says, she seems very deadpan about Steve, and it looks like she’s gained alot of weight too. Leave it to Tamra to make that comment where’s Brooks, but it made me chuckle cuz I was thinking the same thing.
I agree with you that we need a wall, but Americans legally going to Mexico to act foolish won’t be stopped by the wall. These OC women (and all of the drunk Americans you are describing) LEGALLY go into Mexico, go through Customs coming and going, and get their passports stamped.
The wall is to stop ILLEGAL visits to the U.S.
Vicki “claims” she’s not involved and yet, as soon as she got in her car, she called Michael to rat on Kelly. So which is it Vicki? She is such a manipulative, lying old hag. And yes, she should have given Kelly a heads up. No question about it whatsoever. As for the 3 of them in Mexico? For the love of God, stop screeching already. Stop yelling, stop acting like teenagers who are on their first vacation on their own during spring break. Enough with Tamra pulling her shirt up everywhere. I was cringing watching them. I actually fast forwarded through the majority of them when they were screeching and yelling. And they wonder why their men don’t want to be around them all the time?? Steve is shady. Period. Anyone from OC knows this about him. Can’t comment on the new girls yet but all in all, this show needs a total reboot.
Agree with the teeny bopper pulling up shorts. I like to have a drink or two and have fun also dance etc BUT 15 SHOTS. I would be passed out after 3. But also BRAVO encouraged the women on the shows to drink to bring the high drama. This is the first time I have laughed out loud watching a Bravo show. The reactions of the other vacationers on the beach in Mexico when they were trying to lug Tamara onto beach was priceless! Why didn’t the Bravo Staff help out !! It was one funny scene
I’m 46 and my friend is 35 and we went to a hair show in Orlando, we live in Washington state and we had saved for this for a while. We flew in a few days early so we could have fun. Our first full day we drank 13&1/2 hours straight. We had food and all but we were never like this. No dancing on tables or bars, we did however sneak our giant margaritas on the water taxi back to our resort. We had a blast, but we never got anywhere near as bad as they did.
I call that a “Florida state of mind” and I didn’t want anyone to stand in my sunshine or weaken my drinks.
I kept thinking about Tamra’s daughter. And her begging for her mom not to do exactly what she did.
Just stuck in the back of my mind.
(And I wish it wasn’t)
Ha ha on Bravo staff helping! They left Ramona stuck in an elevator yelling for help.
In my college days, I’ve been in Vicki’s shoes – more than once! – and we all handled it with more grace than these people.
My roommate seriously dated one of my friends – I actually knew him for a full year before I met my roomie. Great guy, nice girl.
They took a break. Now, I would see him at social gatherings without her when they were dating (class schedule, she was working, etc.) so when they were on a break, of course I saw him. BUT I was also loyal to my roomie as she had become a close confidant as well.
So… up front, I told them I was going to still be both their friends, that I would be honest if asked by roomie if I saw him at a party, etc. and if either one of them did something that would be gossiped about in the dorm, etc…. either they would give each other a heads up or I would do it for them. We had some gossipy evil bitches in that dorm.
So, is Kelly perhaps overreacting? Maybe, but at this point I think it is more about Vicki’s inability to say “I’m so sorry, I wasn’t sure how to handle this” or even “I’m sorry you are hurting over this divorce” (because even if you are the one to pull the plug on a relationship – it still hurts if you are normal and not David Beador)
If on the couch Vicki had just said SOMETHING with a little empathy like “Oh damn, I didn’t think about others calling you about this” it would probably have been enough for Kelly.
Some people allways react like Vickie did, and they go on the defensive. They do it every time, whenever you get upset, even if its just emotional and crying, and expressing how youre hurt. To me, thats the hallmark of a not nice person, perhaps narcassist. My reaction when someone is upset, is to try and comfort, not worry about defending myself. It would have been better to say Im sorry, I didnt know how to handle it. What can I do in the future? Even if you didnt think it was wrong per se, but you knew they were hurting from your actions. I walked away from a friendship, where I was lied to, and mistreated after a real bitter breakup. I didnt expect her to never have anything to do with the guy, but she went out of her way, to rub stuff in, and try and make it worse by dropping his name and calling him all the time. When I said how I felt, she got really mean about it and just blasted me. So, then you know this person doesnt care. Soooo this might be the end of their friendship.
Are you a therapist? Your comments are sound and mature and what grownups should consider doing. But Bravo doesn’t hire/cast any grownups — except the ones under the age of 12.
Awww how sweet. No Im not a therapist, just been thru alot, and I dont like cruel people or how women sometimes treat eachother. Vickie was in a no win situation, but she could have shown some compassion because Kelly was upset and crying over it. If a friend treats me real cold blooded when Im bawling my eyes out or downing alcohol over a man, uh thats not my friend. Thats a frienemy
Frenemies will allways try to come back too.
I haven’t read all the comments yet, so this has probably already been said (TT did you know that the comment section is now at the header of the page on android mobile where as before it was at the foot) but I understand why Kelly is upset. It has nothing to do with Michael going on dates but that Vicki is double-dating and that she didn’t say anything. I’d be pissed too. Vicki is supposed to be her friend, and she should have at least dropped it into conversation…
Since I again found the episode incredibly boring, I do appreciate the fact that Vicki double dating was mentioned (TT) as not such a ridiculously huge deal.
Also, keep your daughter her age regarding adult topics Kelly.
Just can’t get excited about the upcoming episodes.
P.s. A lot of the falling looks on purpose (Vicki, Shannon) and its s embarrassing. Can you imagine publicly falling? Lol! I would be horrified, perhaps just me. 😉
I actually see both Kelly and Vickie’s sides. Even tho I really don’t care for Vickie, if she’s truly trying not to run her mouth where she shouldn’t and trying to stay out of things I can kind of see where she’d feel she shouldn’t tell Kelly about the double dates. At the same time I see where Kelly felt a bit betrayed. It’s your ex and you think as a friend that Vickie’s loyalty should be to you, plus I’d imagine where a recent divorce is concerned, logic doesn’t necessarily come into play right off the bat. If both of these women hadn’t shot immediately to level 10 and took 10 seconds to hear the other and think from their point of view-it shouldn’t have been more than a hiccup. Once shrieking begins, logic and empathy once again leaves the equation.
I personally don’t get flashing people and streaking, no matter your age, degree of drunkenness, or how fit you are. That said, Tamra looks amazing not only for her age but any age!
If I’d had that much to drink, I could not have gotten out of bed(and would probably want to cut my head off!!). I have no clue how they got up and actually went out again! Impressive!
Am not digging the new girls. They seem nice enough but I don’t see where at the stage of life they’re in(little kids), that they will ever mesh well with the others.
As for Kelly and Jolie(who is looking so much like her mother) I can see where the lines get blurred. She’s an only child, she’s very mature and seems to have more common sense than her mother, and they seem to get along well. And, it’s one of those situations as a mom you tend not to see as it’s happening. Hindsight tends to show you the era of your ways! Jolie seems like a great kid.
Vickie’s new guy…..yuck. Her picker’s broke!! I hate to see women so desperate to have any man or attention. Wish she could learn how to be happily independent. Maybe then the right sort of guy would come into her life, and if not, maybe she’d realize you don’t need a mate/partner to live happily(highly doubt that will ever be Vickie, tho!)
I’m finally done rambling on!
Is anyone else bothered by the fact that Bravo production isn’t remotely supervising these drunk off their ass women? After her first slip running into the room where should could have broken her damn tailbone you’d think SOMEONE would have said ‘simmer down a little sister, jumping into the jacuzzi drunk off your ass repeatedly is gonna land you with some teeth knocked out, or jeeze a traumatic brain injury!
By the previews for next week it looks like she was hurt pretty bad. It makes me cringe to think that the camera crew just stood there on the sidelines watching her pull these stunts and not try to rein her in. All for the show, yeah I get it but damn, there should be someone on the sidelines watching out for them. Ugh.
The problem with forbidding non-cast trips during OC filming is that filming occurs during Spring Break! So half the cast wants to be with their kids during their school break.
That’s why Shannon went to Mexico with her girls and Kelly went skiing with her daughter. Tamra’s kids may have been with their dad. Vicki’s kids are grown. The two new ladies only have preschool age kids.
GLH needs to do some research before she says FU to me…This part of the OC has the HIGHEST DEATH rate for kids overdosing than any city in California. The OC isn’t all that wonderful as they would show on TV. Those boats are smugglers with large amounts of drugs found on most of them out here in the water and are paid smugglers. . I hope she doesn’t offend the Mother’s in here who have lost kids this way.
Hey Im on your side. The hatred when it comes to political issues, made me avoid this site for awhile. Logic and reason is out the window and just cursing and name calling. Its all very one sided too.
Kelly and Michael and Vickie, oh my … HOW or WHY do these people think there are secrets when “every” person in OC 4 years or older has a cell phone? They get pissed at a friend telling the same secrets that they have just disclosed in front of a camera to be broadcast nationwide. It is just a matter of time before someone sends a photo or a text to one of these reality stars about ANYTHING in public. NOTHING is truly private in public anymore.
I think just about every Bravo-ebrity needs to learn how to effectively communicate and practice the Golden Rule. As commentor Erica pointed out — when a couple breaks up, go on record to BOTH that you will not choose sides. Discuss the parameters of what that means. Erica was correct, too, when she said that if Vick had expressed to Kelly how she understood that she was hurt and said she is trying to figure out the “new normal” and was feeling her way in the dark, that Kelly MAY have felt better.
If there is one thing to be learned from this shiteshow of a show it is this: What is good for you is good for your kids. (NOT what you think is FUN! such as 15 shots.) Both Shannon and Kelly were monstrous last season. They were unhappy with their marriages. As hard as it was to watch on TV, their kids had to watch it every day. They are more enjoyable this season.
One more thing: It is human nature to think “I would never treat a friend that way…” and go from there. We expect others to behaves as we do. Again, COMMUNICATION. Or lack of… Here is where the “no-fault I statement” comes into play. “I FELT BETRAYED when…” instead of “YOU BETRAYED me when …” People tune out when they are attacked and so the dysfunction continues.
Vickie already showed Kelly she was not her friend on the Ireland trip, so not sure why Kelly is so surprised? I hope Michael gets an arrangement similar to Simon’s to keep Jolie off screen. The scenes of Kelly using the kid as an adult sounding board were so uncomfortable to watch. No good can come from this.
“So guarded she’s moved him into her house and keeps asking him to marry her.” LMAO TT! I can tell from the comments that I need to Google Steve.
I also get sobby (alternating with rage-y) drinking tequila. Quit trying in my 20’s. The tres Amiga were fun to watch both partying and the next day but I also like meeting the new Housewives and willing to give it a chance.
Tamra sure has kept her banging bod. Wow!
Thats true. Vickie took the easy way out in Ireland, and left Kelly to fend for herself and aligned herself with her tormenters.. Sooo Kelly, you saw first hand that Vickie will allways do that. You were warned, you experienced it. Tamra does have a great body and curves and Im sure Eddie loves that. Thats my favorite body type that I aspire to, more than a Lu type of body, although Lu looks great too. I just think Tamras curves, rear end and muscle tone is sexier. Kelly also has a really good body. Over all the New York ladies have better bodies than the OC, which is kinda surprising.
Tamra has curves?