In case you missed the big news today, Carole is quitting the show! Bethenny is in the middle of a full blown panic attack and Dorinda is trying to talk her down. Dorinda talks crap about Bethenny in her talking head. So does Carole.
They end up in the most ridiculous store and it’s expensive. Carole ignores Bethenny and whispers about her to Dorinda. Sonja tells Bethenny all the crap the others are saying. Ramona is the biggest trash talker of them all. Bethenny wants to call Dennis and have him send her a plane. She wants to go home. Dennis manages to calm her down and everyone goes to lunch. It’s awkward. Dorinda, Carole and Tinsley bail on the group get massages. Bethenny bought a ton of clothes.
Carole goes to talk to Sonja and gives her earrings. What she really wants is a panty liner to cover her camel toe but that was not an option. Carole wants to know if she has any insight into why Bethenny is upset with her. How can these two be so at odds without either of them really knowing why?
Let’s Put On Pretty Dresses And Fight!
The ladies all get gussied up again to go to the nightly brawl. Sonja tells Bethenny that Carole came to her room to talk about Bethenny. The food looks amazing. Carole and Dorinda both take a smoke break. Carole comes back to the table to talk to Bethenny about how she has been avoiding her for weeks. They seem to have had some blowout over the summer that Carole thought they had gotten past but clearly Bethenny hasn’t. Bethenny is irritated that Tinsley is listening in. I totally think this whole is about Bethenny feeling abandoned by Carole when Tinsley showed up.
Meanwhile at the other end of the table, Luann tries to make pleasant conversation. She asks Dorinda how her margarita is and Dorinda responds with “Why would you ask me that?” Luann says, “she’s starting!” and Dorinda is offended by that as well. Luann says that Dorinda drinks to a certain point and then gets mean. We are at that point where slurry Dorinda says, “A countess got married and now she’s not a countess anymore.” And then “You drink some more and get arrested, honey.”
Dorinda breaks a glass in Luann’s general direction. Luann gets up to leave and Dorinda stands up and gets in her face. Dorinda brings up Luann’s mugshot. The waiter tries to replace Dorinda’s drink and Ramona cuts her off. Dorinda tells Ramona that she will never speak to Luann again. Dorinda goes to smoke. When she comes back Luann leaves in a cab. Ramona points out that Dorinda does become very aggressive when she drinks. Dorinda denies this while being very aggressive with Ramona. Dorinda repeatedly tells Ramona to shut her mouth.
Bethenny and Carole Fight Too!
But we can’t see what is going on because the camera goes back to Bethenny and Carole having their own issues at the other end of the table. Bethenny is upset that Carole left the restaurant last night when she was crying. Carole claims she didn’t know she was crying. Bethenny says she also called her toxic. Bethenny says she doesn’t recognize her anymore.
Carole says she is her friend and the same person she has always been. She is not the one who has changed. They both say to the other that maybe they just don’t like them. Bethenny tells Carols she loves her. She says she would never leave her crying and call her toxic. Bethenny is bringing up the time she texted to Carole that she missed her and her reaction was, “wow, that’s a lot.” Bethenny screams at Carole to pull up the texts. Carole gives Bethenny a kiss and walks to the bathroom. Bethenny is still crying and says to no one in particular, “This is the worst vacation I’ve ever been on in my life!”
How Do We Solve A Problem Like Dorinda?
There is twenty more minutes of this show! On the van home Dorinda says that Luann will be drinking again in three months. Dorinda will be drinking again as soon as she gets out of the van.
Bethenny went back to the house after Lu but before the rest of the girls and Luann tells Bethenny what Dorinda said to her. Luann is still crying. Dorinda is alone in another room with a big glass of wine. Bethenny tells Luann a story about their time in Puerto Rico that she says she hasn’t told anyone. She tells her about Dorinda’s drunken behavior toward her team in Miami. Bethenny says that Dorinda needs to go get help. Bethenny says Dorinda knows she has a problem.
Dorinda talks to Carole about her fight with Luann. Dorinda thinks she deserves an apology from Luann. Wow. Bethenny tries to talk to Dorinda but Dorinda is incomprehensible.
Next week: No one is even sure if they like anyone anymore. So what better time for a near death experience on the boat ride from hell and a trip to SCARY ISLAND 2!
Carol says she loves Bethany and then right afterwards says very authoritatively mocks her by saying, “a lot of Bethany’s relationships blow up.” Ooh she hates Bethany. Why doesnt she just tell her?
Totally agree with you K.L. Every comment of Carol’s to others was a put down of Bethheny almost like a lawyer building points for a case against someone. And Bethenny called her on it, telling Carole she was acting like “let’s call in the attorneys”. The way Carol dissed Bethenny for crying was just flat out cruel. Carol’s coldness is sub-Arctic. And now Ranona is saying Bethenny is so difficult “maybe because of her upbringing” on WWHL and how wonderful Carol is. But Lu and Beth won the polls! Yay! #Bye Ramona. As for Tinsley – I feel she finally revealed herself as the total bitch she is – going for Lu in the car and siding with Dorinda. Also, she really does think she is a special little princess to be glammed by Scott. Nauseating. Beth is right that Lu had been through a lot and to go after her when she is struggling with recovery – is really trying to hurt someone. Yes, I’m looking at you Dorinda and Tinsley. Now I really hope Scott dumps her. As for Sonja – sweet and what a great figure! As for Dorinda – if she just got drunk, that would be one thing. But ugly, and very competitive things come out of her mouth regarding Beth and Lu when she is drunk. One get’s the impression that she is upset she is not “on top” in the way she once was (hence calling Lu “no longer a Countess” or words to that effect) and so she feels the need to put other people down. She really goes for the jugular.
Yes!
Yup, you hit the nail on the head!
Not to disagree with you, but has Bethenny ever lost a poll on WWHL? With all the minions she has working for her I could just imagine her having them all vote under her watchful eye.
Carole has always. Has always had a a snotty attitude but she has always hidden behind B, heather and now her hide behind is a perpetulate child.
This year the mask fell off. I do think producers wanted to show her bad behavior and gave her a bad edit. Sje seemed fake and and u cant be a hoiseqive and be fake. End of story!!!!
Not to mention..Carole found herself in the beginnig with everyone likin her. She got a a big for her britches.
I thought Carole’s mask started to slip with the pres election last season. She got pretty manic about it at the end and I also think that is what started her issues with Beth. Carole was so pro Hillary while Beth seemed on the fence . I always figured Carole saw Bethany as a Trump sympathizer due to her less than enthusiastic support for Hillary.
At the reunion after the election Andy asked everyone who they voted for most of the girls chose not to answer which is fine but Beth said she voted for Hillery so she was never pro-Trump. She just wasn’t as frenzied about it all. At Carols election night party Beth seemed just as gobsmacked at the results as anyone but was mostly concerned about Carole’s state of mind. …. Her being the selfish taker and all…
What about when she treated Aviva like trash – Who is your ghostwriter? A person with class would have congratulated her, wished her well. But Carole was threatened by Aviva. Let’s say I am a famous.interior designer. A new acquantice comes to me, with pride in their heart, and shows me pictures of the ugly house they just redecorated on a tight budget. Do I feel threatened that I am being placed on the same level as this creature so beneath me? Or do I take a friendly look, offer my compliments and encouragement?
What?? She was hardly quaking in her boots over Aviva. Please. I don’t think Aviva’s book made the bargain basement bin. That is not how that went down at all. Avia was a complete asshole. She WAS going to hire a ghostwriter and asked if Carole, who had connections, could refer her to someone. The next time they spoke was for the scene filmed for the show and Carole asked how it was going with the writer. It could have been settled in five seconds. Carole certainly dropped it but Aviva went on the offensive. She brought in the drama, relentlessly attacking Carole’s creditability and insinuating she didn’t write her novel all because of ONE question.
I disagreed on every front. I LITERALLY stopped recapping RHONY during Aviva’s season because Carole’s treatment of someone with an anxiety disorder. I also think Carole had a ghost writer.
And would it be Sofa King hard for you to log in her without the apostrophe so that I didn’t have to manually approve all of your comments
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Not a fan of Carol’s, but come on, we are dealing with Bethenny. Bethenny is a crappy person. She is hard to be friends with – because is nasty and only cares about herself. Pardon my French, but she is a shit. She is the constant victim. Boo Hoo Hoo – except for when she is spewing venom. The way she treated Luanne at Dorinda’s a few years ago was indefensible.
I was waiting/hoping someone would write this! I can’t believe how people are forgetting Bethenny’s abysmal treatment of Luann and Sonja over the years. Carol is nowhere near as bitchy and mean as Bethenny. She too has talked behind Carole’s back to her people and in her confessionals all season. Bethenny is a crappy friend. It is always about her. It has been toxic. What’s wrong with Carole trying to discuss this in a calm manner without the histrionics? Because she isn’t screaming and flailing her arms interrupting/talking over someone, she is mean? It’s surreal to me. These women are all flawed and can be horrible to each other. To make what Bethenny says to others acceptable because it’s Bethenny but hold Carole to another standard is hypocritical. Who knows… Carole may be an asshat but I just don’t see her villainy. I see Bethenny being Bethenny which is a toxic, self involved, person who cannot stand to be called out for her bullshit.
Agree 100%. Bethenny is vile. She attacked LuAnn, Sonya, Ramona, Dorinda and now she looks for sympathy from each of them. She was even mean to Erika Jayne. For no reason whatsoever. Screw Bethenny! Carole isn’t a great person either. But Bethenny is vile.
I think there was some sort of relationship between Carole and bB beyond just friends. Look at her Instagram when she’s with Carole….almost flirty and romantic on B’s part. Saying she gave Carols bagel on her LOVE plate and everyone else gets the hate plates???? Drunk much?
Thank you! I’ve been saying this or thinking for some time (although I like Carole). I’m also having trouble with Bethenny’s tears, I feel she’s milking it to make Carole look bad. Bethenny’s been around a looong time, she knows how the game is played. She is also criticizing Carole’s, “coldness” without any insight into how incredibly cold and mean she’s been to everyone on the show, randomly attacking people while refusing to listen to anyone else’s point of view. “I know this about myself already!”
I wonder if all the emotion and tears have more to do with the stress from the divorce and custody problems re’ Jason. She’s just mentioned it but I think that weighs heavily.
Bethenny can be cruel. She can also be kind and generous. Aid to hurricane victims in PR, etc. I think the reason for her cruelty is that she’s very insecure. Three failed marriages, seemingly no real friends and definitely dealing with an anxiety disorder. She built an empire and seems to believe that everyone should now bow down to her. That won’t fly. Perhaps she’s so mad at Carol because she looked at Celebrity Net Worth and discovered that Carol is worth twice as much as her. If Bethenny isn’t Queen then there will be hell to pay. Bethenny needs to get help, focus more on her child and figure out why she can’t sustain relationships or friendships.
Sorry for the typos.
To summarize, Carol is cold as ice!
Yes! At some point during their conversation, when Bethenny was crying, Carole pointed out that she didn’t cry or get emotional like that even in difficult conversations like the one they were having.
And her fashion sense is really really bad.
Holy shit, this show was something else. It was depressing to see those seemingly good friendships torn asunder. TT is so right- how the hell are Bethenny and Carole not sure what happened to precipitate the whole thing? B is much better at expressing herself but I feel like the truth happened off camera and we will never know. I do feel B is hard to deal with and, as Carole said, her relationships explode. I think Carole reflected back and feels like B was not a good friend. B can only rub in our faces how much $ she spent taking Carole on vacation. That says a lot about B. I think B now feels bad she’s lost that friendship. She realizes she alienated her and now keeps crying mourning its loss she realizes she likely pushed her away. And Carole is such an emotionally shut off person, it’s a bad combo.
Dorinda. Holy fuck. She should be in counseling and rehab. This is her continuous pattern. She’s damn nasty sober, as we saw in Mexico when she was sober the next day, but she is a nasty drunk. How many times have we seen it? Can you imagine being John or her daughter with that mouth? She was so wrong here as usual. Poor Lu. She didn’t deserve that. Lu saw trouble for Dorinda with her drinking due to her recovery so she was being a friend. Dorinda is a nasty bitch who lashes out defensively like a cobra. Then she’s like the battering husband who apologizes and cries the next day. How did soft-spoken Richard deal with that shit?
Ramona stirred up shit and Sonja carried bones, but Sonja tried to be nice. And Ramona was right about mostly everything. What a shit storm.
I totally agree with you on everything that you said. I think that there are several issues between Bethenny and Carole and that’s why they are not on the same page. I think Bethenny is jealous of Carole and Tinsley friendship and I think that Carole’s issue is Adam. I think Bethenny being Bethenny over stepped and Carole cannot forgive her for all the things she said about Adam. I think now Carole see’s Bethenny in a different light and only see’s the negative all due to Adam. Everything about Bethenny now irritates Carole. They’re both being passive aggressive and I do think the friendship is done.
Very well said. Absolutely agree. She really loves Adam and was pissed whatever B said behind-the-scenes and the dynamic of their whole friendship changed. Carole will never forgive B and sees everything through that salty prism. And yes, I think she is jealous of Tinsley who is younger, prettier and happier and now besties with her former friend, or frenemy as Carole just characterized in her au revoir. But in fairness, she likely thought her friendship with B was stronger than Carole’s with Adam, which was wrong it turns out. Carole is in emotional denial, but I think fell hard for the boy.
Carole is that type that you cannot say anything about her man past of present. She will hold a grudge and side with the guy instead of her friend. I had a friend who was breaking up with her boyfriend and all I did was cosign with all the things she said. After I consigned with her, her behavior towards me changed. She dumped our friendship and they ended up breaking up. I thought I was being a “supportive friend” by just being supportive.
I hate when that happens. Beware of complaining lovelorn friends!
I learned the hard way. But that also says a lot about her as a friend, so in reality she did me a favor.
I agree plus Carole is cold when knowing another person cares for her. It became power over Bethenny. When Bethenny texted Carole that she missed her, Carole began her games. There was no Adam problem then. Bethenny had been busy and out of the country, she probably expected Carole to understand and maybe miss their friendship also.
Ive a friend just like this, I have to reign in my invites to her. She can get cold mean when she feels she’s important to another woman. She was a very close friend then in one afternoon we did not speak for two years.
When Carole went to see Sonya did you notice all she wanted to do is talk, not listen to the answers she supposedly went there for? She doesn’t care about Bethenny’s friendship. Carole was game playing,. She even took earrings, ding ding, ding.
Tried to influence Sonya to side with her.
A play that did not work.
I’m uncertain I made sense, it’s difficult to read my words. Comment doesn’t scroll well.
You are right. Carole was enjoying Bethenny’s crying and it made her even colder. And the visit to Sonja was such bullshit. She only wanted her side of the fight on camera — “look at me. I am trying to figure out why B is mad at me when I’ve done nothing wrong.”
So agree with you Calipatti. I have seen women who lose all respect for another woman who appears “weak” in any way, by showing caring or a vulnerable side. Then – you are so right – they will turn against their friend on a dime and begin their cruel games , treating their former closest friend with total bitchiness, contempt and public condemnation, also trying to isolate them by turning the pack against them – which Carol also tried to do. I think Bethenny was deeply hurt by Carol because although Beth will stick up for herself, and confront you, she is not into these kinds of passive aggressive games and does not understand them. I think Beth believed in her friendship with Carol but I think Carol is one self-vaunted bitch. Tinsley is too shallow to ever be hurt by Carol and Carol respects T’s lack of depth. Also, Carol can feel secretly superior to T intellectually. But bottom line – they get each other. Imo, Carol is very jealous of Bethenny as a person and when Carol saw vulnerability – she too went for the jugular. Lot’s of savagry in this episode and it was not pretty – Dorinda, Carol and Tinsley. You too fake-ass Ramona.
Bethenny is not jealous of Tinsley, give me a break. Tinsley may be younger (by what? 5 years, big deal) but has nothing else going for her except for a rich boyfriend.
I agree, can’t imagine Bethenny giving Tinsley much thought, not a lot there of interest.
I don’t think Bethany is jealous of Tinsley. I think that Bethany might be jealous of Carol & Tinsley’s friendship though. So curious about what really happened between those two.
I thought Beth actually said she was jealous of Tinsley.
I think she was being a smart ass when she said that. It was right after Tinsley’s flowers arrived on her birthday. It was actually funny.
B said she was jealous that she has had to work for everything she has and that it is just handed to Tinsley, who does nothing.
I don’t think she was being a smart ass. I think there is a bitterness not necessarily a jealousy with Tinsley. Because she’s never really done anything with her life but hop from rich man to rich man and things have come easy for her, in Bethenny’s eyes. Now Tinsley also ‘took’ her friendship with Carol as well.
She did, and I think she really meant it. Bethenny has had to work her ass off to get her money, and it took a long time. And it must seem kind of fragile, when her ex-husband walked off with much of it.
Tinsley has been blessed with classic good looks and has enjoyed her lifestyle by associating with wealthy men. I was totally grossed out by how she glommed onto Scott on their very first day, shoving her tongue down his throat. She really had to go all out to land herself that fish. I have observed women like this, who have zero marketable skills and who act helpless, and many men fall hard for it and play the rescuer. It can be “cute” at first, but those women end up paying a price. We see a lot of these women on these RH shows.
I can see Bethany being a little envious of Tinsley. Tinsley seems to be carefree and bouncing around in Neverland and she has a close relationship with her mother. Bethany has never had the luxury of being carefree, it’s just not in her nature. Even with her success, she still can’t be carefree. And we all know the situation with B’s mother.
I have a relative who’s like Tinsely in a way. She’s never worked hard for anything but yet seems to have things handed to her. It would be nice to have it that way but I know she lives in a gilded cage and it ain’t so great. I also know it’s in my nature to work hard and achieve things on my own. I wouldn’t be able to sit still and let someone ‘baby’ me. So I envy her in a way but I know that life isn’t for me. It’s “not that deep” (lol) for me or for Bethany I bet either.
Did you watch the last episode? Bethanny flat out said she was jealous of the princess who never had to work a day in her life and got everything she ever wanted. B worked hard for her shot and still isn’t happy. I kind of feel bad for her.
Autocorrect! I wrote shit not shot! Lol!
Bethenny isn’t jealous of Tinsley one bit. Tinsley and her mom have spent all the family money, her divorce money, and are not desperately scrambling to land Scott, a rich husband who will fund their lifestyle. Allegedly.
Tinsley is probably in an all out panick.
Yes!! I always think of Tinsley and her mom as Rose and her mom from The Titanic. Your description perfectly describes both pair of women. So sad.
That’s EXACTLY who they remind me of is Rose and her mom from Titanic.
That is perfect!
Bethenny has been aggressive. Volatile. One second she says she loves Carole and then the other, she is screaming at the top of her lungs at Carole. Who wants to be friends with that? All the while, Carole is calm and trying to talk to Bethenny. Sorry, but I am on Carole’s side here–Bethenny is a mess. She is desperately unhappy. Jealous.
Bethenny seems like someone who is always waiting to get abandoned and then, when she drives people away, it just reignites that fear she would be abandoned in the first place.
Happy for Carole that she has decided to move on. She will never satisfy Bethenny.
Great comment. I agree. Bethenny has a big heart but with relationships she has problems. Carole is just tired of the drama and that’s her choice.
Ditto that! Bethany is high strung and even though she has good intentions she is annoying AF!
Carole is freezing her out. It’s that thing a friend, who is jealous and done with a another friend, does in a group. It’s hard to prove and easy to do in a group. It’s similar to bullying where the victim never has a voice and the bully doesn’t get caught.
Bethany is ahigh maintenance friend which is why she doesn’t have many close friends. She’s too much and it’s all about her all the time. Carole is right…what’s she bitching about?! She’s got a great daughter, great career, boyfriend, money, etc. but she’s always sad. It’s exhausting when there are so many people who are struggling over real issues to see a person that really has nothing to complain about.
And we’ve seen Bethenny go to counseling also. Just because you have everything good in your life doesn’t mean you’re happy. Because that’s a brain dysfunction. Sometimes depression is not situational it’s a chemical imbalance.
I agree Mel.
So true. Look at all the rich, attractive, successful celebs who have killed themselves for apparently no reason.
Her parents really fucked her up, and she learned from an early age that other people aren’t trustworthy. Deprogramming yourself after that kind of upbringing must be pretty tough.
She has a lot of material things, but finding people who are safe to love has been hard.
Cat37 – great comment. I don’t think Dorinda was like that when she was married to Richard. She may have been a drinker then, but I truly believe she’s still grieving for him, and is angry that he’s gone. That anger is carrying over into the way she acts when she gets drunk – hostility, underlying sadness and regrets. She loved her life then, but I don’t think she’s happy now.
Yes, EnglishRose. My friend who watches said the same thing about Dorinda being unhappy. But let’s remember in Mexico when B called her out for being nasty and she admitted she does have a nasty side except to her mother. And I think her substance issues only exacerbate it. As she has been called out on by B and the others, she and John allegedly like to get all f-d up. Can you imagine what those 2 are like off camera? Must be a re-enactment of Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf every weekend!
Dorinda was a failed real estate agent with close to no education when she met Richard, who was way way out of her league. Some very successful men like dumb women who will admire them, so this was her moment in the sun. In fact, 7 of these women — Dorinda, Sonja, Carole and Luann — were zeroes until they met men way above their social and paygrades.
So Dorinda is angry because she’s no longer living the fancy life she had, and never will have again — as is the case with Sonja , Carole and Luann. Like Icarus, they got close to the sun and then their wings melted, so they are all drinking their way to their lost paradise.
umm… 7=4 in above post.
true, Alex. The other thing that I have been wanting to point out, but I don’t think it will be very popular, is that Dorinda was only married to Richard for 8 years. He isn’t the father of her child. So, yes, I get that she is a widow, and she loved him dearly, yada yada, but it wasn’t as if they were married for years and years and years and she had children with him and built this giant life over the course of many years. I am not saying you can’t have true love in that short time, but I also don’t agree with the way that her relationship with Richard is somewhat blown up/out of proportion (in my opinion at least)
I completely agree here with both Alex and BC. And I actually think Dorinda was married to Richard only about 5 years. Very short marriage. I also remember when she went to that memorial she made outside with her family, his children did not attend. I’m willing to bet they are resentful of every dime she got from that marriage. B commented Dorinda smartly sold Richard’s business she inherited. I’m sure that’s good financial advice from an expert rather than her idea. In fairness, she smartly followed whatever advice she got, which may have been from Richard. She also got that house worth millions. That’s money his kids didn’t get for a woman with whom he had a short marriage and who isn’t their mom and who sounds as though she and her whole family benefitted from that marriage financially. And how devastated could she have been from his death that she was out there with John within months? I don’t get that. I’ve seen folks I love die from cancer. How can you watch that and then run out and date after (ahem, and I mean you, too, Jill). These broads can’t be alone for five seconds.
So Dorinda made a great marriage to a wealthy, generous man who left her set for life. Money isn’t everything, but she’s damn lucky. Many women lose their husband and have nothing. And it’s her choice to be with who she picked. Remember the bra party? B called that shit out. That dysfunctional relationship with the guy who looks like he’s one of the boys from the Sopranos, although I know he’s not connected. His persona though is total scummy, wiseguy.
And like you all said, the only women who are where they are financially and socially without marrying for it are Ramona and Bethenny. Self-made women. And bravo to them! But the rest all married it and came from meager backgrounds.
Agreed!!!!
Not to defend Carole but she was actually a producer at ABC news (or CBS). I don’t think it’s very nice to refer to these women as “zeros.”
I mean, they’re not ASHLEY.
Word on the street is that used to drag him out when he was sick. His friends didn’t like her at all.
This episode was sad. And production fucked it up big time. TWO epic convos, and they didn’t get the gist of either one successfully. I mean, what about the rest of the ladies sitting there? And Tinsley supports Dorinda? Yee Gods, the lines were drawn before they got there, and hell, it is screwed up ! And fuck those Cupon Cabin commercials starring Carole . Not impressed, won’t be logging on!
Tinsley supports Dorinda because Lu was Dorinda’s victim. Tinsley seems to hate on Lu.
Bingo, Thill!
Lu is a better convict than Tinsley.
Lu was able to snag a second wealthy man while tinsley is trying to get remarried.
Lu is effortless in her beauty and pose.
Tinsley definitely hates Luann
And Tinsley hates on Lu because she is relieved not to be at the bottom of the pecking order herself. She follows with the others in hating a person she has no history with. Gross.
Tinsley brings nothing to the show. She doesn’t interact with many of the cast members and comes off like an airhead socialite who has never worked a day in her life. She doesn’t think about anything more significant than what she will wear to her next restaurant meal.
You know everything has gone to shit when Ramona is the unlikely voice of reason.
Lol
I was going to say the same thing ! Ramona, of all people.
Dorinda really needs to get a handle on the drinking because she’s a nasty drunk. I really hated how Sonja was such a tattle tale and it’s kinda pathetic.
Betthenny is just exhausting. If I was that distraught, I would have gone home. Crazy island, round 2. God knows she could have afforded her own plane and she’s gotten out of other HW trips.
Luann has been the most sympathetic this season.
Right??? sweet jaysus…..when Ramona is reasonable during a shit show you know they are all in trouble.
Dorinda clearly needs help for her drinking, and, I would guess, drug use. I am surprised she hasn’t been arrested.
I am so happy Carol will be gone.
I hope next week is better because this season has been dreadful.
Bethanny put on twitter last night that Dorinda was using a certain white substance the whole entire trip.
Well that was very nice of Bethenny to announce to the public. What a b*tch move.
That was a fake account that tweeted that.
Wow!! What a mess these ladies are…..whatever really happened w Bethenny and Carole – we will never know but It makes Carole look like a bitch and I m glad she is gone!! Bethenny is no angel but it looks like she really was good friends w Carole! I feel bad for Bethenny! I m glad Carole is gone!!
Bethenny is crushed by Carole’s treatment and Carole is enjoying her power over the tough girl, she made her cry. Carole is one devious bitch.
I often put myself into a situation, no way I could have walked out on a woman I had been close to crying.
Carole didn’t realize Bethenny was crying that night. Carole was surprised and hurt that Bethenny turned away from her when she walked over there to say good night. B was doing that to hide that she was crying. It was unfortunate all around.
Yes, that’s exactly what happened.
Totally agree with you, Calipatti.
Thank you Scottish W
If Caroke sincerely did not see B crying, she should have. Most of could tell if a friend was not quite right.
Did Carole ever really care about Bethenny or was it superficial?
I don’t know the answer.
Team Carole here. Bethenny sabatoges every relationship she is in.
agree.
there are some friends like sonja who couldn’t care less that she was verbally ripped to shreds when she wasn’t needed and then embraced when she was needed …
AND then there are friends like Carole .. you wrong her one too many times, it is OVER. forever. bridge isn’t burned, it’s blown up.
* Beth has so many mom-dad issues – and that’s just what we SEE – that i don’t think she knows how to NOT jugular every person that pisses her off; like the snide making fun of Carole’s age, attire .. she fights to demolish her opponent so they never get back up .. i sort of get it; she’s had to protect herself her whole life that NOW it’s like she doesn’t KNOW how to back off.
i don’t think she’s evil-hateful but that wall she has built around her heart .. oy.
i just realized how depressing this season is ?
True that. It would be nice however, if people loved her anyway.
Why Blondesense? If someone talked to me the way Bethanny talked to anyone throughout the years, i would not stay friends with her. She is really abusive and low. While they are entertaining to watch, i can’t imagine being around them. The only ones I could handle are Sonja and Luann and probably Alex Mccord on occasion.
Blondesense, what a lovely thought. Yes mostly after Bethenny goes off, she is reasonable and listens. Once she knows a person she seldom goes off on them.
I think Carole also sabatages all her relationships. I don’t know if she is traumatized after her husband’s death and doesn’t want to grow close to anyone in that way again.
She was close to Heather, then the Bethanny and now to Tinsley. She kept trying to get Adam out. She liked long distance relationships with other boyfriends on the show.
Maybe the neediness of the other person gets to be too much for her, enjoying the feeling of being needed at first changing to becoming annoyed with the neediness.
She tries to be aloof but I think Adam somehow broke thru and she actually loved him. But her distancing head games drove him away and then she was hurt when he left.
Then Bethanny comes along and insults the man she is heart broken about (while she plays it off that she doesn’t care). Bethany said Adam used her and wasn’t interested in her at all. For Carol to hear that the man she loved and pushed away never really loved her is harsh.
I think at that point she realized how harsh Bethanny is. Bethanny puts down Carole’s clothes, her makeover, her age, her home, her work, her friendships are shallow, calls her a hanger on, not an accomplished person, etc. Bethanny may make funny barbs but for years all the other HWs have been saying she is really cruel to them. All these “jokes” are painful to hear and Bethanny is really degrading. It’s a different take on LVP’s “British humor”.
Then Bethanny is mad that Carole isn’t paying as much attention to her, even though Bethanny herself is “scheduled to the minute”. So Carole finds a new friend in Tinsley and spends time with her. It’s vapid light hearted and fun and not such an emotional roller coaster. Tinsley is needy but in a different way, more of a pay attention to how pretty I am instead of my world is falling apart, my business, my ex-husband, my mom, etc.
Then bethanny lashes out more and the chasm grows. We see Carol being a bitch, and I am not a Carol fan. I find her to be a huge disappointment considering her past career. But Bethanny is an amazingly huge bitch and Carol is giving it back to her in a calm way. Bethanny has no idea how to react to someone who refuses to yell or get all emotional which makes things worse.
I think Carol is a bitch throughout this whole thing, but I see her side more than Behanny.
I mean really, your friend finds a new friend and you get all petty and jealous. Didn’t Jill do this to Bethanny over Jason.
Wow sweetea, good analysis. I agree Carol is equally issued but boy did she carve Bethany up like Thanksgiving Turkey in her blogs. Bethany was flat out wrong to humiliate a close friend with all those barbs. Bethany thinks its ok to go to war with with people if shes upset with them. That is NOT the way to keep friends.
Carol looked great at dinner.
I’m not sure what Tinsley brings to this franchise.
Felt horrible for LuAnne.
Dorinda is coming off the rails.
Dorinda seems quite comfortable on some rails, which is unfortunate because I used to really like her. Being a widow too, albeit at a younger age, just made me vibe with her. Lately I’ve just witnessed anger, heavy drinking, and something unknown that’s fueling these rages. Not a good look for her.
I pray that Dorinda (or Hannah) sees this and realizes that she really needs help.
It’s sad to see a friendship dissolve.
And I agree with Jane that I’m terrified by Ramona’s voice of reason.
Carole’s comment about “Bethenny had a nice home, great career, she has no reason to be crying” shows what a complete cold blooded, detached idiot she really is. She crying about the custody of Brynn. She can’t see her whenever she wants, she can’t call her when she wants, every concert, teacher conference, sports event , holiday is planned with whoever’s week it is. She will never have a normal schedule/relationship with her daughter. She is partly to blame , but this is heart wrenching and Carole had no clue. What a total bitch Carole is.
This comment 100%. Also, we all know that B had been back and forth to Puerto Rico. She saw things there that would probably take some time to process. This may have been the first “downtime” that B had to even process everything – the custody, PR, and the fact (as she mentioned) that the restraining order was about to expire.
She wants sole custody of Bryn and she’s being a drama queen with the restraining order.
This might be dumb but any chance Bethenny & Carol are fighting because they didn’t use Bethenny in those coupon commercials? It’s tinsley, Carol and Dorinda.
They do get a lot of airtime
Lol, m9.
Ok. I do think Bethany started the fight. She got jealous of Tinsley and thought she was replacing her as Carols new best friend. But as we saw that was mispercieved. Carol was still loyal to her! Bethany made a fatal mistake I think by starting conflict and criticizing Carol 8n the beginning of yhe season. Tammara is is right, it all stemmed from Bethany’s abandonment issues! Once Carol got wind that Bethany was publically outting both she and her beloved Adam down her shackles went up.She brought out her sword of a pen and attacked. I think Carols fatal flaw is pride! It got yucky from there and I have to say Carol ended her Bravo tenure on a sour note.
I don’t know about the other stuff but Bethenny is not jealous of Tinsley. Tinsley is of no interest to Bethenny.
Bethenny cared about Carole, remember the text about missing her and Carole’s reply. Think that started this. Seems small but until then there wasn’t a problem.
It’s not that Bethenny’s jealous of Tinsley herself. She jealous of Carole’s friendship with Tinsley, that Carole is close with Tinsley.
Yes exactly
Thanks for the recap, Tamara. You were so quick to get this up! I lurk more than comment these days, but I appreciate what you do and I still check in numerous times a day.
I miss your comments Daintyfeets!
OMG, that dinner was too much. It was like watching table tennis, one end at the table was going at it and the other end was going at it. I have always liked Dorinda but now I am throwing in the towel with her. She is a mean dirty drunk. I have a friend who get’s really mean when she’s drunk. She had a party for a coworker and by the end of the night the girl was in tears. The girl asked “why are you being so mean” and I said “cause she is a mean drunk”. In the past I would have to constrain myself because I would want to hit her in her face. Now I just threw it back in her face. I call her out every time. Which is BS cause you can drink and have fun and not hurt someone’s feelings. Then we have a mutual friend who is a violent drunk. This past Saturday I saw where the night was going and I left. The next day I had 3 people call me to tell me that she got really nasty after I left. Thank god I left because I probably would still be in jail for hitting her.
I’ve seen the same thing happen in my past circle of friends. Thought it happened to people after years of drinking to much. Went from a fun, happy or quiet drunk to mean and nasty.
Btw, amazon winner pop ups again. 🙁
I am getting that too..I can’t stay on for long before it directs me over. Frustrating as I love TT’s website!!
Dorinda was on Jenny McCarthy’s show today and has apologized profusely to Lu and Lu wants nothing to do with her. Dorinda made no apologies for her behavior.
Carole and Bethenny who knows what went down. I did notice Bethenny starting to get snarky about Carole the season before. Ramona tried to tell Carole and she didn’t believe it till the season aired.
Bethenny needs to stop fighting for sole custody. Why bring such anguish to herself and daughter.
I think Luann is DONE with Dorinda. Now it makes sense why Luann had Bethenny read her statement about going to rehab again. Dorinda kicked Luann was down and I do not see that relationship mending. Dorinda needs to go to rehab because she has become an ugly mean drunk. If she doesn’t see how she acts then that’s a problem.
Yep, she did kick her when she was vulnerable as he_ _.
Bethenny loves anguish and turmoil. It’s who she is.
Lu might want to remember that when she was drunk, she threatened to kill all the cops. Luckily for her, the judge was more forgiving than she is. THIS DOES NOT EXCUSE DORINDA’S reprehensible behavior.
I agree 100%!
B is the friend who is generous with “things” but makes everything about her in a friendship otherwise. As funny and witty as she is, she is equally an intense handfull and I could see how taxing it is for Carole dealing with B’s “know it all attitude” alll the time. Its exhausting just watching on TV.
Sometimes friendships just need a certain levity. And i truly believe carole enjoys “lighthearted things”, especially after having suffered all these losses.
I think their rift came to a head when Tinsley came along. Carole started to focus on carole and her well being, and didnt have time for B and her freakouts sessions ( the referred text). Tinsley was very supportive of carole and i think B was just envious of that and statted seing carole distance herself.
The contacting Adam, calling carole childless, career-less, superficial, “too cool”…. B…thats not a real friend either.
Suffice to say im sad to see carole go.
And TT on WWHL tonight, ramona mentioned that the text B had read on her phone were from months prior and that the guy had actually not contacted her before he went on a date with Carole. Andy seemed to be annoyed that Ramona spilled some reunions beans…
How fortunate for Carole that when her husband was so sick that she didn’t have friends who said “Ugh, I can’t be around this toxic behavior” if she got sad.
If Carole wanted to just be a travel buddy, she shouldn’t have been supportive or accepted the deep confidences in regards to Bethenny’s issues with Jason as she was last year. You dn’t get to switch around what kind of friend you are that much and that quickly without feelings being hurt.
my question to you Erica is WHEN IS B EVER GOING TO BE OK? in the past 6 seasons ALL carole has done is lISTEN TO HER, BE THERE FOR HER, spread the Jason rumors and speak of how horribly jason is treating her publicly for bethanny as B herself could not do it…. no matter HOW MUCH u care for someone, when every second of everyday is about them and their negativity it bring you down.. especially if you are not in a great place and have ur own shit to deal with (as we saw carole wasn’t)
B has no friends because she has single handedly isolated herself from EVERY SINGLE OF THEM. years of unsolicited advice, crude and rude comments, know it all attitude, sanctimonious speeches and then crying like a baby when theres rejection…..
and carole is right. Exactly WHAT IS B dealing with that no other women in this cast are dealing with? she shares custody with her child and has been doing just fine.
Divorce: Luanna, Ramona, Sonja, Tinsley have ALL DIVORCED. Ramona was just as public and humiliating. Leanna was the but of all jokes last season and was trashed all season by B none the less.
Carole is right? what is SO DEVASTATING about B’s life that she has to have a mental breakdown on every episode? how much she has on her plate is HER CHOICE…. her doing a show about real estate? branching into jeans? doing shark tanks? doing charity…. THESE ARE CHOICES.. if all B wanted to do was lounge around and spend time with her daughter SHE COULD AFFORD THE LUXURY To do so…
so enough Bethany is NO VICTIM.
Much different having your husband die of cancer and Bethanny overscheduling herself don’t ya think? All of her issues are brought on by herself.
I don’t think asking a guy if he wants her to suck his dick, or any of the other disgustingly crude things she says is witty or funny. She tries too hard.
That was appropriate comment in that moment, so funny. My opinion and I’m a little strange
“How can these two be so at odds without either of them really knowing why?” — because Carole needed a storyline. What else has she had this season? That silly marathon that she went on and on and on about? When will these women learn that it never works out when you have a go at Bethenny?? I don’t think I’ll even notice that she isn’t on the show anymore…
i thought that it was clear that Beth had already been texting red scarf, and had turned him down, previous to that speed dating scene. By the time that is aired, Beth made it clear that she had turned him down, yet he decided to show up to film with her anyway. Ramona is always muddled in her thinking. Who knows what went down between Carole and Beth. Whatever it was, I am just not interested as no one will say what it was. Dorinda has never been a favorite of mine, yet I felt strangely sorry for her last night. He interaction with Lu was horrible, but those scenes with her post dinner were just pitiful and raw.
Exactly, she pulled a Jill Zarin and severely miscalculated her popularity and the audience’s willingness to tolerate transparent (camera thirsty) bullshit.p Perhaps she put too much weight into the sycophants of Instagram who sing her praises, the same people I imagine That tell Ashlley from southern charm that she is amazing & has done no wrong. Whether you like her or not ( and trust me there have been seasons where I cannot stand her ) B has always been a draw for the show And other housewives who have tried to bring her down always fail miserably. Good riddance and Carol, she added nothing to the show and her ”fashion” was getting so comical I was feeling sorry for her.
Dorinda and Luanne’s argument made me sad. They seemed to be real friends but I wonder if in reality they were mostly drinking buddies. It is clear to me that they are obviously not sober friends for each other. Next, nothing about the situation with Bethenny and Carol surprises me. Bethenny cannot maintain relationships. She is a true narcissist. I think the fight has a lot to do with jealousy and loyalty. Carole is a loyal gal to the core. Even though it didn’t work out with Adam, she doesn’t want someone downing him. She is very particular about whom she surrounds herself with and there was no reason to make such a call on his character. That is when Tinsley entered the picture. She’s light and fun and surprisingly more down to earth, sweet and loyal than Carole expected. Bethenny can’t stand it because those are all the traits she isn’t. I am so over watching Bethenny’s stale routine. She is an angry, terrible person and she will literally annihilate her enemies with her words and actions. Next, she is the devastated weak victim. Please! Last, I wonder if their problems would even exist if they would just eat a little. They remind me very much of old friends that were on diet pills. Erratic, irritable and angry.?
OMG your comment was everything! Thank you, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
I just realized Bethenny broke two cardinal housewife rules- do not bring up the significant other and don’t try to make them look uncharitable. I forgot all about Bethenny calling Carole out for not supporting her relief efforts. I would also say that asking Dorinda to accompany her on that trip was a strategic move on B’s part. Man, she sucks!
bahahhahahaaa !! i always say that about the girls working out at equinox in west hollywood .. eat a damn cheeseburger already ?
i was dying laughing .. i’m cuban-columbian and our temper tantrums are usually unrivaled and yet these gringas managed to have every Columbian there jaw-dropped ?
LOL, yes you are right!
Every point you make is valid and damn near spot on – except I don’t think Carol is lighthearted. I think she’s pretty shallow which is why she and Tinsley hit it off.
As much as what you say is so true about B, I still like her better than Carol. Carol is no angel in this and the callous way she reacted and treated B shows just why those two hit it off.
Mad day has come and it’s ugly. It’s not a pretty sight. Hopefully the show will be lighter next season.
My guess is Carole has caught Bethenny in too many untruths. I believe Carole was trying hard to be relevant and was told by Bravo she needed to bring it on this season. It’s a good thing Bethenny has that Puerto Rico thing going on as it is the only redeeming quality she has going.
that “puerto rico thing”? jesus.
Her charity organization firstly helps women in crisis, all over. Secondly, they responded to the earthquakes in Mexico. Then the hurricane in Texas. Then the hurricane devastation in Puerto Rico. Now the devastation in Guatemala from the volcano. But you say that “puerto rico thing” is her only redeeming quality? Shit, I don’t know many people who dedicate that much time, money, sweat and tears to helping others.
Also, to someone else who said she’s a narcissist, you can’t be a narcissist and commit so much of yourself to empathizing with and helping suffering people. Doesnt’ work that way. They completely lack compassion and empathy.
shae, here, here. well said. some people have blinders on. open mouth, insert
foot. or maybe just think before you speak. ugh!!!
It’s slang ..Shae.. guess you aren’t a beach chick
I do think she is very self serving and I would like to know more about her Mother since Mother claims she says she’s a pathological liar.
South OC beach slang
“that puerto rico thing” is south oc beach slang? you’ve lost me, no clue lol
what are you saying is slang? what does being a “beach chick” have to do with this?
I’m saying I’m surprised one would refer to a massive charitable undertaking that involved the complete devastation of an entire island and the loss of god knows how many lives by hurricane, as “that puerto rico thing”. Like it’s nothing.
what about that are you saying is slang?
this is still bothering me lol, I am so curious as to what the slang you all are talking about here is?? lol
I see Carol using Tinsley as a substitute daughter. Bethenny didn’t have a chance once Tinsley showed up. A friendship simply can’t compete with a woman’s long withheld need to be a mother.
Bethenny should have been smarter than she was, not to see that coming knowing to give Carol the space and time she needed to mother young Tinsley. Tinsley is that woman everyone rushes in to help, when she is actually going to be just fine.
Dorinda is losing the denial battle. She looks desperate to me. Ramona wanders through life without any purpose. I’ve been there and overcome it so I FF her. Sonja deserves “most improved”. Lu is lucky to have the life raft Bethenny keeps throwing her.
No way does Carole feel motherly toward Tinsley. She thinks she is like Tinsely — young and single in NYC.
I also don’t think Carole has some long un-fulfilled need to be a mother. I’ve certainly never heard her indicate that she even wanted to, just that it became a non issue with her late husband being so ill. She took exception to Luann making fun of the fact she was childless once, but I never heard her talk about really even having wanted kids.
I’m completely over Carole this season, but she has written about her childlessness. Anthony’s cancer made him infertile. I believe they had discussed alternative ways of building their family before they got married, but his cancer came back around the same time as the wedding (I think they knew before the wedding).
Everyone points out to Bethenny having all this baggage; we know about it because Bethenny has literally opened the door to her therapist’s office and let us in. (FYI, if Bethenny doesn’t have deep friendships ON THE SHOW. She has lifelong friends who DON’T APPEAR ON THE SHOW. Well, occasionally Kyle!)
But Carole has always “held her cards close to her chest” even though she wrote a book about her experiences losing her husband and two best friends. But that was about the immediate aftermath.
Carole has baggage – I personally think that Adam was the first she let herself really care for deep down, then he decided it wasn’t working out (maybe wasn’t willing to give up the idea of kids, who knows.)
B has herself said she has no very few GFS OUTSIDE OF THIS SHOW. that is why the blow up of paroles relationship with her hurt so much. SHE HAS NO ONE. SHE IS TOO DIFFICULT TO BE AROUND. just watching her is exhausting lol
NY is the only HW show that I have truly watched from the beginning because of Beth as well as her other show. Beth is not by any means perfect….but then who is? But I’d give my eye teeth to be friends with her. She is a TRUE ride or die. I feel sorry for those of you that can’t see that.
Yeah, Carole does not think of Tinsley as a daughter. Carole has never expressed a desire for children or regret at not having them, that we’ve heard. Not every woman wants to be a mother, and that is fine.
I have a friend much like Carol who, although she repeatedly tells everyone she never wanted to be an actual Mom behaved just like Carol does with Tinsley. That is, they’re both nurses and she set her up (much like Carol did with Tinsley) with a doctor she knew. Also like Carol, the friend was more interested in her friend’s love life than her own. She also started dressing too young for her age, again like Carol does, changed her gorgeous brunette hair to blonde and generally started looking and acting younger than her own age.
I believe this is to either live her life through this younger friend and/or because although she didn’t envision herself a motherly type, nature just took over and she couldn’t resist mothering someone more feminine, needy and less independent than herself.
Wow, what an episode. Bethany is like a child. She is just.alot to be around. She seems to have a hormonal imbalance and cries and shrieks to release inappropriate emotions. Don’t love Tinsley, but the fact that she looked their way brought a response from Bethanny like a kid from the backseat on a car trip…mom she is looking at me….SHEESH.
Carol (TG she is leaving), is much less of an emotional reactor and tries to be, or maybe is more of an intellectual responder. Also she appears very icy cold. But we must remember, her closeness with Tinsley is way to be close to Adam, and/or to keep tabs on him thru Scott. Bethany should have that and not put.up that wall so fast.
Dorinda, who was a favorite of mine, has turned into such a vile thing. She often looks like a babbling fool. Oh, and her problem, IMO, is more than alcohol. She seems to be using blow regulrly. Twelve years in the substance abuse field, and an awful marriage to a coke user gives me insight.
I looked at Dorinda for drug use also. I didn’t see it but I’ve been wrong about seeing “it” several times. With coke use, she would be sobering up faster at least sometimes, I thought.
I saw in her hands in that one dinner…..
– Tequila
– Red Wine
– White Wine
– Rose’
And that is just what we saw. That is a serious, serious bender. I would have been hugging the toilet, and I have pretty high alcohol tolerance.
After Ramona told the waiter to cut off Dorinda, Dorinda reached over and started to drink someone else’s wine. She can’t seem to stop once she starts
It just occurred to me that Bethenny is probably perimenopausal. I think this is why she is having the crazy mood swings. I know a couple of years ago she was having heavy periods and now this. I went through something similar, my mood wasn’t like Bethenny’s though, mine were different. My doctor put me on birth control and it helped a lot. The mood swings were gone and so was the heavy bleeding (I know TMI).
Try flax seed oil if mood swings or other menopausal things resurface. It worked for me.
Thanks for the info. I am fine now. The beginning was HELL though.
I find the friendship between Carole and Tinsley a bit odd. Tinsley seems light and fun and sweet but I would think Carole would see her as a silly debutante type who doesn’t work, just shops and goes to parties and red carpet affairs. The girl didn’t even vote! I know Scott and Adam were friendly and I was feeling that Carole was trying to hang on to her youth a little bit with their friendship. There isn’t anything wrong with this but I feel that Bethenny is jealous and annoyed with Carole that she is now buddies with this silly woman. I think a few seasons ago, before Adam, Carole would have been making fun of Tinsley.
I think you hit the nail on the head! Tinsley is all about fun and glam, while Bethenny is dealing with life & death issues in Puerto Rico & crazy tense issues at home. Carole and Bethenny both have found themselves with strange bedfellows this year. Carole is now buddies with Ramona? Don’t get it. Her bestie Tinsley didn’t even vote? Don’t get that. Hey, but look at Sonya and Bethenny – they have ended up being hysterical together and who would have foreseen that one. But, Sonya has cut back on the alcohol and done some work on herself. I like Sonya 2.0.
Unfortunately, Bethenny could have probably ended this whole spat by inviting Carole instead of Dorinda on Puerto Rico trip. No matter what the state of the friendship at that point, It hopefully would have bonded them. Maybe Carole would have been kind again, and she definitely wouldn’t have gotten drunk at dinner! But, shoulda, woulda, coulda.
Unfortunately at this point I am no longer surprised about Dorinda’s behavior. I would be mortified if I behaved in the way she has done several times the last few seasons, but it never seems to bother her. What did really surprise me was Tinsley. She was so mean about Luann in the van. At this point Tinsley and Carole are enablers if they continue to watch Dorinda act the way she does and back her up.
I think Dorinda is someone who is deeply in denial of her drug and/or alcohol problem. That is why she acts as if she doesn’t see anything wrong with her rollercoaster of aggression/regret. She’s in deep denial imho
Tinsley anger towards Luann seems so odd to me. I wonder if Carole still harbors anger over the Adam/Luann issue, as she does with Bethenny, and talks about Luann to Tinsley and Tinsley is just a follower so… let’s get in the hate-Luann bandwagon. She has zero compassion considering she’s been arrested herself and no one knows what really happened. She tells the story so innocently. She could have been a psycho stalker. Look at her ridiculous she acts towards Scott.
I totally agree with you. I was shocked and disappointed at what Tinsley said about Luann and it seemed to come from left field. I could totally see Tinsley being the psycho stalker.
I think Tinsley is upset that Luann has a mug shot. Every time anyone talks about it, Tinsley says I have a mug shot too. In the bedroom scene a couple of episodes ago with Carol, when Carol told Tinsley her jealousy was not a good look after Tinsely kept talking about how people are talking about Luann’s arrest and not hers. At this dinner party when Luann told Ramona and Sonja that Dorinda insulted luann about her mug shot, you could hear Tinsley say “I have a mug shot too”. It was a highlight of the dinner for me.
Those pink short-shorts on Sonja were beyond too small! Woman, camel toe doesn’t describe it, I could practically see her cervix! The way she kept tugging at them made it seem as though she knew she was pushing the limits of a wardrobe malfunction, not that any such thing would bother our girl Sonja! I’m really bothered that Sonja went running straight to Bethenny after talking to Carole. What’s wrong with these women – doesn’t she know better? Well, I guess there wouldn’t be a show if they all knew when to keep their mouths shut.
Carole was genuine at dinner in wanting to straighten things out with Bethenny but, as usual, Bethenny avoids straight talk and has to start deflecting so that she can avoid really addressing the issues, or, God forbid, actually apologizing or seeing anyone else’s point of view. She’s the Queen of Double Talk – I’ve never actually seen anyone who’s as good at quick comebacks and avoidance as Bethenny. Comes from decades of practice, I guess.
I used to be such a fan of Dorinda, but she got so ugly over such an innocent comment as asking how her margarita was. She’s downright unpleasant and mean. As Ramona said, “big temper, loose tongue.” When is someone going to confront her about her drinking problem? Ramona tried, but Dorinda wasn’t having it. Ramona wisely backed off after Dorinda told her to “shut her mouth” – what a drunken, bitch move. Luann looked flabbergasted and really hurt – she didn’t expect the reaction she got, and the hurtful comments that were made.. And Dorinda expects an apology from Luann? Incredible and clueless.
Oh, God, there goes Bethenny again, raising her voice and then feeling sorry for herself. I’ve never known anyone who’s as prickly and unapproachable as she is. Must be like being friends with a Saguaro cactus. Even after Carole gives her a kiss and leaves, she jst can’t stop herself from making her “worst vacation…” comment. Everything has to end up focusing on Bethenny in the end. Exhausting.
Dorinda, Dorinda – I’m so horribly disappointed in her. She doesn’t have any idea how terrible she is, or even remember everything she says. When she was talking to Carole, her version of events made her look as though butter wouldn’t melt in her mouth. She’s headed for a huge fall and a very unpleasant awakening. I hope it doesn’t take her too long, and that nothing really awful happens before she realizes she needs help. How has she changed so much? She used to be the gentle voice of wisdom in the beginning – I loved her straightforward take on life, and her sense of humor. Where did that Dorinda go? I want her back.
Can’t wait for next week and the drama on the boat. One thing RHONY always delivers on is the entertainment value. Love it!
Like her, “Not well, bitch” comment. I thought that was pitch perfect humor last year. It really made me laugh.
I hope Carole quits because she might destroy her career showing herself eating popcorn and not caring about her deadline while speaking on the phone with an editor. Who wants to deal with such arrogance and immaturity? I would never read a column by her after seeing that.
But maybe it is about Adam, or Bethenny. Or both.
saw this on a bravo blast. carole was so proud, she redid her closet. and made it the
cats playground. yes b 4 you ask, all her clothes etc. are in there as well. gagging here.
their litter box is in there as well, as is their food and drink stations. and cabinets for the
cats backup food, and bags of litter. okay, someone tell me how you store/wear your
clothes that are in a closet w/your cats litter box. she is so weird. know someone who has
cats that run the house. she never had or wanted kids. stopped all connection w/her, and
her husbands sibs, once they started to have kids. now they live alone, with not one friend. yes this person was educated, but ended up not working. too lazy, and thought she
was smarter than everyone else.
feel sorry for him, because he is nothing like her, but won’t leave her.
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Uhhh.. comment on her actions NOT who she is. She is being a biotch this season, but I like her style, her sofa, and her love for her cats! So back off meanie!
Depends on how large your closet is…
dorinda sees herself in luanne’s drinking and is terrified! luanne and dorinda both need to b off this show and in rehab!!! the show is doing neither one of them any good! hopefully dorinda has gotten help by now. we know whats going on w/lu. i’m sure she will need the $$ and stay w/the show and caberet act but this is probably the worst avenue for her. dorinda is mourning her old life/husband and has become a really nasty drunk. B envys tinsleys carefree lifestyle and said it on one show! carole ice cold re b – when she said she has everything – child, career, fame, etc?? what abt her life being ruled by this custody agreement and not being able to see her child w/out rules/regulations not to mention an expiring restraining order!!
How does Dorinda feel when she watches this??? Does she see how utterly mean and nasty she is?
I wish Bethenny and Carole could have resolved their issues. I feel like Carole was trying to talk about things in a reasonable way, but Bethenny can’t help but lash out. I love how funny Bethenny can be, but as a friend she is just too prickly and too quick to take offense and not willing to understand the other person’s perspective. The bit about Carole walking away the night before when Bethenny was crying encapsulates how they are just at cross-purposes. B was hurt because C walked away, but C was hurt because B turned her face away. Neither of them intended to hurt the other, but they both took offense. Makes me sad.
I’ve spent way way way too long thinking about the demise of Bethenny and Carole’s friendship, and then wondering why. I guess it affected me so much because as women, I think we’ve all experienced the searing pain of a very close friendship ending and not really understanding why, feeling helpless in the face of things just not working the way they used to, and then feeling deeply rejected and diminished by the end of that friendship. I think it’s especially gut wrenching because female friendships are so much more intimate, and in the modern world B and C live in, they’re meant to be longer lasting and more faithful and loyal than relationships with men. I’ve experienced the end of a couple of these friendships that devastated me at the time, and honestly still brings a sting whenever I’m reminded of them.
I thought of the movie The Break-Up, and one of the biggest takeaways for me was how accurately it depicted those definitive, crucial moments in a relationship when BOTH parties had the choice and opportunity to swallow their pride, say sorry, break down their walls, be truly vulnerable, and let the other person back in. You see several big misses (that felt so small at the time) that accumulated to drag the dynamic to a point of so much hurt and devastation that there was no return. And I think this is what happened here. These slights and moments were happening, and both were too distracted and busy and consumed with everything else (not to mention self absorbed) to pause and reflect and make a genuine effort and steps toward repair. And this is the result. It’s just too late now, no matter how many fond memories they may have.
The second piece is that… both Bethenny and Carole are so used to being “The Flower” in the relationship with a “Gardener,” to use a cheesy analogy. They’re used to being the one tended to and cared for and given attention in a friendship or social group. Both seem to thrive off and compose their identities from being damaged (Bethenny’s childhood and marriage, Carole’s widowhood and the death of her close friends). We saw both in relationships (Heather, Jill) where the other woman played the role of caretaker, mother figure, defender, nurturer. Both are attention seekers. Both have attached a certain currency to being seen as fragile (both emotionally and physically) whether they can admit to themselves or not.
And so when you got two people used to being the center of attention, the damaged childlike figure, the fragile flower, the damsel in distress to be cared for, they truly began a competition over who was more worthy of that extra special attention and consideration in the group. Cue Bethenny heightening the dramatics more and more to “win” the damaged woman competition while Carole checked out completely and became a different person altogether because she knew she couldn’t win a battle that extreme and obvious without losing dignity. It was bound to happen. Those two could never remain friends, they were too much alike. I suspect Carole left the show because she couldn’t tolerate being in a friend group where she wasn’t the most special and wounded and fragile.
Just my armchair psychologizing, pardon the length.
Love your analysis, this rings true for me.
I think you are so on the money with all of this. As a women it makes me think of failed friendships that slipped away ( albeit more quietly) where we just couldnt communicate our hurts effectively. As a viewer I am dossapounted because I think both women had poor behavior at times. Now that its not resolved each will continue their behaviors; Bethanny with her demanding attention, changing the facts and rificule, Carole with her judgement and lack of empathy. However, Carol is gone now so I guess we don’t need to worry about that. I do worry about the show going back to being all about kissing Bethany’s behind though! She needs challenging.
Your analysis of the pair is almost as good, as TT’s purple pen! ☑
Ditto! You’re on to something here. I am sad that 2 very intelligent women who were obviously close friends weren’t able to communicate and humble themselves to each other enough to work through their insecurities together.
Great comment
Nightly brawl 🙂 You are so funny, Tamara! I have not laughed that hard in days… maybe weeks. The laughs are few these days so I Thank you
Right?! “All gussied up” I cracked up too! “No such luck” (I think) referring to a panty liner of all things! Luv TT!
I have only posted once before but would like to chime in on the Beth/Carole fiasco. Because of my shift work, I don’t catch the HW shows when they air. I will catch up with OnDemand, or when Bravo does a mini marathon, so here is my perspective.
In the past seasons, Carole to me was background filler (I never caught all of the shows with Aviva), she didn’t glam it up, while not a frumpy style she wasn’t wearing blingy designer clother, held onto old furniture. After last season and Carole and Tinsley getting closer, she got a new, younger looking haircut and color, is trying to dress more stylish and redid her apartment.
So while I don’t think Beth is jealous of Carole and Tins becoming good friends, its the complete 180 in Carole’s behavior and appearance that has thrown Beth for a loop and she feels she doesn’t know her. Beth then started making the digs about her being too cool and comments about her ‘new style’. Then throw in a few passive aggressive remarks by both and it blew up into something neither one knows how to recover from.
Sorry it I broke commenting rules but that is my take.
Dorinda has a nasty side, she’s admitted it loads of times and even said her daughter and John say it to her all the time. Drugs and alcohol just excaberate it. Dorinda is just mean and nasty.
Just saw the preview for next week & Dorinda goes for Luann again over breakfast. Bethenny stands up for Luann and then Carole and Dorinda tell Bethenny to shut up. Every woman at that table should have been shutting Dorinda down. Luann just went through a breakup, rehab, being arrested, and now not drinking around that crazy crew. There are times when a friend is going turmoil and their problems trump anything else. I’m disgusted with the other ladies being silent.
Other topic, Ramona was on WWHL, and she looks like she has dents in her cheek. Bad Botox? Cheek threading gone wrong? Or maybe black eye & make up cover? I can’t figure it out. She has most definitely drunk the Carole kool-aid.
I agree with you. it looks as if the horrendous behavior of Dorinda’s (and Carole) continues next week. Nothing worse than the next day sober defense of drunk behavior!
As far as Ramona goes, I thought she was acting all demure, OR pissed she was 2nd chair to Megan M! She did not look at her, nor did her body language show she was open to her. The love fest speech about Carole? It’s like she was trying to school Andy on what a lady Carole is, and what a piece of work Bethanny is. She even had to make B look bad about red scarf guy. She seemed old as well- too tired to play.
Didn’t watch WWHL so im going by your comments. I can’t believe that Ramona stayed after being out in the second chair. Wow! Was she strapped in?
Drunk the Carole kook-aid? Maybe she knows Carole and Bethenny better than you do. SMH
The best moments of the episode were the double-flush toilet on the Coupon Cabin ad (I want one!) and the sparkly balloons. Carole has no understanding of anxiety. Like depression, it is not always “logical” and her dismissal of a person she “loves” is cold. I would LOVE to go on an exotic vacation and come back moved in, but for controlling Bethany it is painfully awful The expiring restraining order is a nightmare. Yes, she can get it renewed, but that means court with ASSHOLE JASON. No guaranty that it willl be renewed and as Brynn gets older, the horrible relationship between her parents is going to get confusing. Bethany does not LISTEN to anyone’s feelings. SHE DECIDES how they feel and what they REALLY are saying. Not good. She must be HELL to work for, even if she pays well.
Carole is a liar. She pretended to want Sonia’s opinion but talked over her, didn’t listen to her and then at dinner lied about what Sonia said. I never heard Sonia say that B wants Carole’s attention . Carole just wanted to further her agenda to make B look bad. It’s as clear as the lipstick all over Dorinda’s face! Which Carole couldn’t see??? Yeah right.
Oh, and I hope they fire Tinsley and stop showing those stupid commercials!
TT, you out did yourself with your post. I love the photos. The one could be titled “Locals laughing at the ugly American.” The one of Dorinda unhinged is scary.
Wow, I can’t believe how mean Dorinda has become. She’s a train wreck waiting to happen! I know this sounds mean, but I hope her fall is spectacular and splashed all over the media. She truly deserves this after her treatment of Lu.
I was fascinated that Carole talked about gaslighting as I have thought this whole season that is was Carole is doing to Bethenny. When she talks to Bethenny in the dead, monotone voice about the texts and their fights, in my view it is to attempt to make Bethenny look crazy. There is probably some truth on both sides. But between the zombie & the highly emotional person – give me emotional any day of the week. I have to say Carole is interesting, but she isn’t funny. You need funny to survive long term on these shows. Luann isn’t innately funny, but she does funny things with her countess behavior. The other OG’s are truly funny. Love them or hate them – you’ve probably laughed at them a LOT. Dorinda will probably last because she is naturally witty. But, she is going to have to end up in rehab eventually. Will they be funny without alcohol- that is another question?
And, I am the only person who see Tinsley as a 40-year-old child? When she said in her high, whiney voice why do I get “in trouble”? – I cringed. Whenever I hear that term amongst adults – it is always from someone who hasn’t grown up. In conversation, Children and adolescents “get in trouble” and adults have troubles. Tinsley is stuck at 14. I really really want to like her. But, her banter with the ladies is more like a teenager talking to adults.
Janfan64 – couldn’t agree more about the gaslighting. She did it in that very episode. Described her own behavior, attributed it to B, and called B a gaslighter.
This might have been happening about the time Bethenny’s Mother offered to help Jason get shared custody. Serves Bethenny right for thinking she could use someone for a child then try to keep the daughter all to herself. It seems her plan is not panning out as planned… so manic. She does not have the emotional stability to be the sole person in Bryn’s life. She’s another one who could benefit from mood stabilizers.
Jason has always had and continues to have shared custody.
Shae. I never said Bethanny had sole custody. I said she was trying to get sole custody.
above you said bethenny’s mother offered to help jason get shared custody. I’m confused lol
Well gosh Shea,, Apparently I am not as eloquent a writer as English Rose but go ahead and critique my writing. I don’t care. When the judge signs off after that Psych Eval report on the kid and keeps the 50/50 permanent without restraining orders then it will be complete.
Bethenny’s Mother offered to try to help Jason KEEP 50/50 custody . Shea if he needed her help.
It wasn’t a critique of your writing, how was I supposed to know you meant keep when you said get? I hadn’t heard her mother did that so I had no idea.
Her mother is an atrocious human being. The nerve of her After failing her daughter so spectacularly, to continue to intervene this way, is unbelievable.
I admit I do think that sometimes. B should have gone to a sperm bank if she wanted NO fatherly involvement in her child’s life.
Most women complain about the lack of fatherly involvement for their children, and the dad’s family not giving a shit. Bethannys cup runneth over and she just does not care!
She didn’t not want the father to be involved, she married him obviously not thinking that it would end in a horrific divorce. She didn’t seek sole custody until after the case where Jason harassed and stalked her and she got a restraining order. Probably out of concern and fear because he was acting crazy.
She didn’t enter into motherhood not wanting a father for her child.
But I don’t think she doesn’t want him to be in Bryn’s life but I can understand as a woman being terrified of a guy acting crazy and then having concern for your child, too.
I’m gonna use a word I learned from good ol’ T-Rav himself….I find Carole to be ….wait for it….wait for it….highly SANCTIMONIOUS! lol….She has always struck me as someone who thought she was better than everyone else. I don’t think she is capable of having any true relationships. She couldn’t even admit that she loved Adam, for pete’s sake. She is a cold B. And I do find Bethenny to be a much more sympathetic character these days, but I gotta say that she is HIGH maintenance! She would be a tough one to establish or keep a friendship with. I get exhausted just listening to her talk or watching some of the early seasons with her. Everything is so f-ing intense with that one! I think she might need some hormones. I understand she is going through a lot with the custody, and I am not saying she shouldn’t feel the way she feels, but I do think she projects some of her feelings onto other people or situations, instead of just confronting her demons and dealing with it! As many have said, this season is very sad, and intense, albeit entertaining to an extent. Last night I really felt like the Bravo puppeteers were exploiting these gals big time, more than ever before….
Haughty. Haughty is the word for Carol. Whenever I see her my first thought is………..haughty. The definition is ‘arrogantly superior and disdainful’. Yep……..Carol is haughty.
Perfect description.
Why didn’t the camara film the Dorinda throwing and breaking the glass? Did I miss it? Good move for Lu to leave. Dorinda is next for the mugshot!
We’re gonna need a bigger camera crew. Spoken in my best Roy Schneider voice.
Sonja saw herself last season drunk and has corrected her behavior this season. I don’t think she has been drunk in any episode this season. Dorinda has been filmed completely black out drunk this season and last season, she seems unable to control her drinking at all and it’s getting worse and more hostile. Get off reality tv Dorinda, if not for you , for your daughter.
This episode was so good! I totally noticed how production slowly lowered the volume of the rest of the women talking and then raised Lu & dorindas voices during the margarita scene. I don’t think Luann deserved that. Dorinda’s drinking is really starting to get out of hand. U know they will be throwing that around at the reunion. Hopefully she realizes it and does something about it.
Great recap, TT! The behavior of these women just floors me. I wouldn’t sit at a table with them for five minutes! Maybe with Luann– I felt terrible for her, after sloppy-drunk Dorinda attacked her. Bethenny is right, Dorinda comes hard for Luann because she sees herself in what happened to Luann. I’m sure Dorinda does plenty of blow, but the slurring, Joker-face mess she becomes is due to alcohol. She needs HELP! And Luann needs to get away from this whole group if she wants to get sober in the long term.
When Dorinda first joined I thought she was lovely. Boy has my opinion changed. She is a raging drunk. Tinsley is ridiculous and needs to grow up. Her little girl act is not a cute look. Carole is peering down her nose at everyone. She didn’t want Sonja’s advice, she just wanted Sonja’s approval for her behaviour towards Bethenny. Bethenny needs to get a new therapist. Luann didn’t deserve the shit that Dorinda threw at her. Sonja & Ramona managed to look reasonable, ha – who knew?
PS Great recap TT
I’ve really soured on Dorinda, too. She absolutely has a drinking problem, it’s sad and frustrating to watch her tear everyone around her down.
saw this on a bravo blast. carole was so proud, she redid her closet. and made it the
cats playground. yes b 4 you ask, all her clothes etc. are in there as well. gagging here.
their litter box is in there as well, as is their food and drink stations. and cabinets for the
cats backup food, and bags of litter. okay, someone tell me how you store/wear your
clothes that are in a closet w/your cats litter box. she is so weird. know someone who has
cats that run the house. she never had or wanted kids. stopped all connection w/her, and
her husbands sibs, once they started to have kids. now they live alone, with not one friend. yes this person was educated, but ended up not working. too lazy, and thought she
was smarter than everyone else.
feel sorry for him, because he is nothing like her, but won’t leave her.
t
Carole also made the very telling comment at speed dating “4 children , swipe” . She has no interest in any conversation involving children.
Carole hates Bethenny. When speaking with Bethenny, she uses a condescending tone, and gaslights her, then says Bethenny is gaslighting her (that’s what gaslighters do!) Carole is OVER Bethenny and it stems from Bethenny’s dealings with Adam and calling Adam an operator. Carole takes this as a personal insult, even though it’s been made clear that Bethenny included Adam in some of the vacations she funded where Carole was present.
I think what’s off putting to viewers is the way Carole refuses to show any sign whatsoever of empathy towards Bethenny when Bethenny is clearly heartbroken over the loss of the friendship. Maybe Carole’s face can’t show emotion with all the work she’s had done, and if that is the case, it’s unfortunate. Carole simply smirks smugly when Bethenny is falling apart and it’s not a good look.
Bethenny would do well to recognize a blow off when she is experiencing one. Unless this is a carefully crafted fake story for reality tv, Bethenny needs to move on because Carole never intends to be friends with Bethenny again. The viewers see this,so it’s time for Bethenny to see it!
Well you just said what I’ve been seeing better than I did below…LOL
I think Beth is very well aware now that she has been cast aside but she didn’t know it when it was happening as was truly hurt.
I feel like Carole and Jason have a lot of similarities in the way they deal with Bethenny. The weird calm tone they use when they fight and the small manipulations.
I’ve seen Dorinda, Carol, Ramona, and Tinsley all together and separately talk shit about Beth behind her back all the while being nice to her face all season. Total mean girls BS. Is Beth sweet and NICE all the time? Of course not but she usually tells you what she thinks or feels right to your face……….whether you like it or not. She is who she is and everyone knows/knew that. Apparently these bitches are/were clueless to the fact that she could feel the tension with all of them even if she didn’t know why. She was alone in the eye of a storm she could see and feel but no clue where it came from or how to get out of it. So up went her walls. Mine would have also.
She tried one on one with both Dorinda and Carol and neither had the balls to really be honest. Just placated the situation leaving things really unresolved. And yet they continued with the cattiness behind her back. All of which came to a head on the trip when Sojna confirmed what Beth was feeling. I can only imagine suddenly realizing that several people you thought were your friends not only are unhappy with you but flat out don’t like you. Fuck!
I have yet to see anything that Beth did that deserved the vicious blogs that Carol wrote, the nasty talking heads, the shitty things she’s said to the other girls, or the crap on SM.
Carol…………..THUNDER CUNT!
THIS ☝?☝?☝?☝?
I agree with your comments Lynn. Completely uncalled for. Don’t let the door hit you where the good lord split you Carol!
Stealing Thunder Cunt.
You’ve been…..THUNDER CUNTED, Adam.
Bethenny main issue with Carole is she’s jealous and hurt by Tinsley and Carole’s friendship and Carole knows it so she adds salt to the wound by playing up that friendship. She’s using Tinsley to get at B. Carole is acting all “who me” in this but she knows what she’s doing.
I don’t think jealousy was really the issue.
As I recall, Bethenny showed complete and utter disdain for Tinsley (and her excessive hair-flipping and vacuousness) the moment she first met her. If Bethenny feels anything about Carole and Tinsley’s friendship, I’m going to guess hat it’s disappointment and not jealousy.
Hat = that
This!
Bethenny is a manipulative bitch. She dishes out the snark and the judgments and whines when anyone says anything negative about her. She’s an unhappy drama queen and has to be the center of attention. She craves real friendship but is so wounded she can’t let herself be vulnerable. Her manipulation was on full display in this episode with the crying and ordering people to stay away from her, etc. She’s completely overrated. Carol said enough of the crazy game. I’m team Carol.
Me too! How quickly everyone forgets how cruel Bethany can be.
Wow, you Bethenny haters just can’t let go . No matter what happens it’s all Bethenny’s fault because you didn’t like her then and you are determined to continue the hate. She has grown….you have not.
Whatever this “thing” was that happened between Carol and Beth is just the official reason Carol is able to say the friendship is over and all of this “evidence gathering”, bringing up B’s difficult relationships and so very obviously having Ramona so completely back her up and drop some tea on B on WWHL is just so she can exit the impact of her fault in the demise of their friendship.
I honestly think Carol just got tired of being the sidekick friend. In most or at least a lot of female friendships there’s the friend who’s center stage in most if not all things and the one always riding shotgun. This doesn’t have to be anyone’s fault and it certainly isn’t something intentional Bethenny has done. It just is what it is. B’s an alpha just period point blank. I honestly think that seeing Bethenny be so emotional about their friendship made Carol feel powerful and in control. I don’t get the feeling that Carol often feels in control in many of her friendships or maybe she just chooses friends who are alphas. Dunno. But I honestly believe her coldness towards B came from a place of feeling powerful over someone (and having that power over someone like Bethenny i might add) felt good and she wanted to keep it going. But it went too far and she needed justification for her actions and honestly most of B’s relationships do end up tumultuous in one way or another so it’s an easy scapegoat. I feel bad for Bethenny because she’s not doing anything differently and hasn’t changed and it’s actually Carol that is gaslighting and being emotionally manipulative. I don’t think Carol betted on the audience seeing through her especially because the rest of the cast pretty much backed her up because of course going up against B ain’t easy and generally it’s one person and B has the numbers or just doesn’t care. This time she doesn’t have the numbers, feels like everyone’s against her and cares very much because she loved Carol and losing that friendship especially at this time in her life is prob devestating. Honestly I don’t care how annoyed you are, when a friend is crying or upset you get your shit together, put the bullshit aside and show some damned sympathy. Never thought Sonja would be the voice of reason.
In ABC order:
Bethenny= I don’t know what’s going on with her. I suggest she STOPS. Press pause on her life for a week. Unplug. Go to a remote island and regroup. Carole=Insufferable. Dorinda=Mean Drunk/Def Substance Abuse. Who would put up with this IRL? Saying sorry doesn’t cut it anymore. As they say, the best apology is changed behavior. LuAnn=Meh, wish her the best. Never loved or hated her. Ramona=Ugh, she was subdued this episode but she’s always one scene from me hating her. Sonja=Being a bit mellow (aka not boozing it up) suits her. Tinsley=A child like others have mentioned. She’s nothing without a rich benefactor.
I completely agree with your remarks, Lynn.
Thank you…I am not alone…..yes!!!!!
Carole stopped being interesting when she reupholstered her mother-in -law’s sofa.
I can’t agree with that. That was the first time I saw Carol have any clue about style- but truth be told I think she was more impressed with the fact that it was her mother-in-law’s and the Italian furniture maker was the one Jackie O hired to do the White House when she was First Lady than the fact that it was a stellar piece. But I am a sucker for Mid-Century Modern everything and that couch is pretty awesome but I would have chosen reproduction fabrics to make it as close to original as possible. But she didn’t ask me. What is wrong with her?
The ratty couch has always bothered me. I’m so glad she finally got it reupholstered. Now if she would just put a railing on her loft stairs. That disturbs me almost more than anything else in my life. That can’t be legal! It’s a broken hip just waiting to happen.
Now that you’ve mentioned those stairs Jim says..every time they have shown them I’ve thought to myself, Holy Fuck!!! An accident waiting to happen. They scare the crap out of me! Agree, broken hip or worse waiting to happen!
OMG, yes!!!
LOL
Bethenny’s problem is that if someone even slightly disagrees with her she shoots to kill and then expects to be forgiven every single time. She is as mean as a snake- as is Dorinda deep down. And Carol. And Ramona. None of these ladies are truly happy for another who might be happier, richer, prettier. In summary- they all suck. But I hope Lu recovers and I hope that Tinsley learns that she doesn’t need a man to pay her way. I hope Bethenny can get over her narcissism enough to put her daughter first for once and peacefully co-parent and that Lu Dorinda and Sonia get sober and Ramona meets her match in a man.
Fuck you judging who can be a good mother. Walk a mile in her shoes or mine and then get back to us.
I would also like to say, and I know people will disagree, that I have watched every one of Bethennys reality shows. I also used to be a huge fan of her’s early on. I am amazed at her ability to munipulate EVERYONE and the minute there is a disagreement at all, her adversary becomes the “crazy one”. That list is so long!!! I know she has been through a “nightmare” situation with Jason but you could never convince me that Jason Hoppy is really a terrible person. Does anyone remember their show or his wonderful parents? They all loved and took her in and she completely rejected and resisted every bit of kindness and somehow made them into villains of some sort. I will further never forget the crazy fit she had about Jason being nice and people liking him more than her. You have to ask yourself what kind of person would be angry at people liking their spouse and the father of her child during the first year of their marriage.?♀️
I guess you have never been divorced. The seemingly greatest man you have married and loved and lived with unhappily because you love him and your children and don’t want to divorce suddenly becomes a monster and wants to destroy any good thing in your life when you finally have enough respect for yourself to say enough. It happens babe! All the time.
Just another hater that doens’t give a shit about anyone’s life/experience.
I guess it might be nice to not give shit about anyone’s reality but your own.
Of course watching these types of shows is the only thing that can really and truly prove they are so much better. …..talk about sad!
If Jason Hoppy didn’t give you the creeps during the first 10 seconds you first saw him, well, then you aren’t a very ntuative person. He was bad news from day one.
Ehhh I watched her reality show as well and he rubbed me the wrong way. And he definitely had a nasty side. I honestly saw some red flags. Not to mention why isn’t it believable for someone that you don’t know personally to be different when no one is watching? It’s not outside of the realm of possibility for anyone on these reality shows….
I know I read somewhere (sorry TT) that Bethenny said that Hoppy locked Cookie in their basement storage unit. I think Cookie was in the apartment they owned and Bethenny wasn’t there. If that is true,
it says all I need to know about his hatefulness and worthlessness as a human being. That’s how much he wants to hurt her.
Dorinda. Anyone else frightened for Dorinda? I’m a binge drinker, I get it. I’m a binge chocolate eater, I get it. I’m an ex smoker, I get it. There is no in between for me… well until I had kids now I don’t drink because what if my kids need me… and I look at a beer and get a hangover. Even with all that I would not get blind drunk on International TV for all the world to see. I would not get blind drunk at family events. I mean thank god social media didn’t exist in the 90’s but still, I would not publicly embarrass myself like that and get up the next day a face the world…. I would be dying inside.
I never, ever drank at family functions. Probably because my mom thought drunks were disgusting.
Of course, that hasn’t stopped from drinking (frequently and to excess) in every other aspect of my life. ?
TT….I’m getting tons of ads that are really slowing things down and fucking up things this last week or so. Is it just me? Commenting has become so S l o w I’ve been having to type them up in a Doc and them copy paste.
Again ….. just me?? And if it is how do I fix it. 4 years here with no issues and all of a sudden BOOM?
such a bummer……:(
I have the same problems. That green box with the cookies notification appeared right before the “Amazon” winner crap. I have not hit either button lately, I just leave it there now. I think MAYBE that is what begins the fake Amazon loop. And I have had problems with the “like” button and WordPress. All problems began about the same time.
Hmmmmmm……….. I’ve tried several times with the ‘like’ button also. I’ve had a wordpress account for years but it won’t accept my “sign in” info…….strange!!
I finally stopped trying…not that big a deal but if it is the reason for these constant ads now I’d just like to know how to fix it as they are annoy AF.
Y’all try this. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203987
I’ll try to remember how I turned likes on and turn them off.
Thanks for your patience.
Well I thought I turned them off. I also mashed a few buttons to change the mobile settings tell me if I fucked things up . 🙂
Carol has tallied overlong in the laboratory creating her monstrous character one layer at a time. This season it sat up and lurched out the door – it’s ALIVE! That dinner conversation she forced on Bethenny was pure ice storm. I just sat there muttering, “That was way harsh, Tai,” over and over again.
Love this…..YESSSS!!
I never thought Carole added much to the group dynamic. I always found myself fast forwarding during her segment. Now that she’s leaving, I’ve softened.
What we see as, haughty, is really someone who is shy. Bethenny said, “You’re always SO COOL.” That’s shyness.
She came from an average background. From what we saw, the family couldn’t treat her to a dentist. That makes for one insecure soul. She left to get an education, and landed work in a really competitive journalism field. That’s huge. And on top of that, she loves and cares for a man who is dying. What an incredible loss. She’s had a whole lot of life going on.
Now she gets judged every week by us. I give her credit for joining the show and for leaving with grace.
The dentist thing… awesome and TRULY wicked shade!
Kudos.
Sorry, lots of people grew up with “average” backgrounds, went to college and made a career. And certainly she is not the only woman to lose her DH to cancer at a fairly young age (I did, and I am sure others here have as well).
These life experiences do not entitle her to be a smug, arrogant bitch who puts everyone down, and who thinks she is superior to the rest of us. Sorry.
In fact, people often take these experiences and learn to be more loving and tolerant of others’ feelings.
Carole was smug and judgmental of others for a long time. I couldn’t stand how she treated Jules, the woman with an eating disorder. Carole and Bethenny were both mean to Jules, but Carole didn’t simply folllow Bethenny’s lead. Carole was mean on her own, as well.
I wish Ramona would leave instead of or with Carole. Ramona was ridiculous this episode and on WWHL I hope Bethenney continues her friendship…fake or not…with Sonja and Lu. It’s helped her bounce back in a big way from her bitch Season with Carole. I’d love to see those 3 on a mission trip.
Sadly, Bethenny is the carbon copy of my mother. I really want to be in her cheering squad and cross my fingers hoping she will just be vulnerable and honest. No matter what our family is going through at any given time my mothers casseroles and tears ultimately result in her woe is me diatribe. Bethennys does the same thing. She’d be a great female friend if everyone else would just coalesce to her demands. If we don’t then the fucking roll tape of every single action she ever performed shows she’s clearly the good one.
I’m sorry BF is hurting and going thru shit. I love her spunk and rapid fire dialogue but her truly intimate moments negate her monologue it’s confusing and super not faithful to the sisterhood. She went for blood after Sonja and Luann viscously so for bring women that live free and have zero regrets.
If my chics feels she’s on vacay and truly wants to be carefree and fuck then who is BF to call it out until next season when she needs allies. Fuck who you want, be you or be a half truth of you but don’t be a fake user. Bethennys slaughtered Sonja and Luann for having sex and enjoying it. This year they are now acceptable for her to share screentime with.
Love Beth she’s my mother 30 years ago but for fucks sake hold your ground. You can’t switch the narrative from pro radziwill and enjoy your fight over Xmas Jammie’s to now they are sick and are obviously shitty women.
Watching Bethennys is literally everyday with my mother from fkn Long Island Ny.
It’s therapeutic for me and I hope she changes. Be straight be forthright but don’t be a fucking cunt and act like you are the defining emblem of female friends whilst your ass is fanning the flames.
News flash Bethenny is not your mother. You are projecting. Did your mother start a million dollar company? Was she going through a nasty divorce that lasted longer than the marriage? Was your mother raised by abusive parents? Do they sell news items about you to the tabloids? Does she have abandonment issues.
TT if you happen to see this … I am interested to hear what you think about Jason. I had neither watched ANY RH shows, nor discovered your site back then. Or if you have any links to what you wrote about Jason back then. Thanks in advance either way. (I called Jason an asshole based on what I have seen — stalker stuff — but maybe I am the asshole!)
Here’s a link to all the stories with the tag Jason Hoppy. If you look at the categories and tags under stories, you can click on them to go to a list of all posts on that topic.
http://tamaratattles.com/tag/jason-hoppy/
Lol… It’s all a game my dear. $$$$
TT..YESSSSS! Thank you!
Bethenny blasted Luann about her sex life because Luann was such a fucking hypocrite. For the first several years of this franchise, Luann was insufferable. She was very condescending and fake.
Luann has been much more real in the past few years – her divorce, screwing the pirate and not giving a fuck about it, and now being humble about rehab, all of this has made her more likable and relatable.
Maybe this was already brought up here, but the part when Tinsley’s on the phone with a woman asking her if the make-up squad is for everyone or just for her..so embarrasing. I usually think Ramona is very out there but I loved her comment on T’s beauty routines.
After seeing all season’s of RHONY I was very touched when Bethenny said they were the old group left at lunch, and recently I watched some earlier episodes from season 3 & 4. Very interesting to see again!
Like a drowning man, Dorinda is pulling down those closest to her. I believe Dorinda is very unhappy and perhaps bitter about all the support Luann has received. She may realize that she has a problem with booze and is jealous that Luann took steps to get help. She IS a mean drunk, and said horrible things but I feel bad for her.
Someone should have told Bethenny to “ Go to sleep” just like she told Crazy Kelly. The woman is unglued.
I was thinking it was made sadder because Dorinda and Lu were friends. Then I realized … friends don’t introduce friends to Tom!
LOL…….perfect
It is sad. she seems so grounded until she drinks. I also think she hS a speech impediment that she’s worked to correct (she always over annunciates her “t’s” ) that she can’t control when she drinks- then the slurring..
Btw, my Aunt ran into Tinsley and Scott at a Chicago restaurant and she said they were friendly and seemed very down to earth! At Scott’s suggestion Tinsley even called my Aunt’s daughter because she is a big fan!
Well that was bleak. I’d call them cunts but they all lacked depth and warmth in this shit storm.
Come through Sonja! Loving her this season, she’s giving us season 3 vibes and it hopefully stays that way!
“I’d call them cunts but they all lacked depth and warmth in this shit storm.”
*dead*
Holy shit…..
I am NOT “YESSS” !
I am Lynn!
What happened?
Fuck , just noticed “name” box is wrong………
How did that happen????
Changing it back.
SIGH
Not true that Carole only gave earrings to Sonja. Dorinda and B all are wearing them in different colors although B was wearing it in the Talking Heads. They probably all got some. Everything is not as it seems.
Someone as angry as Bethenny (screaming and slut shaming Luann for no obvious reason, insulting multiple members of the cast veiled as jokes and overall acting as though she’s over or above her cast mates) has to be miserable inside. That’s what’s showing now. I hope she finds joy in something other than complaining or making jokes at other people’s expense.
There was some seductive talk between Carole and Bethenny. And it’s not like Bethenny to get very close to a cast mate on a reality show. Bethenny was also overcome with sadness at the thought of losing Carole. I’ve never seen someone have that effect on her. It made me wonder if there was a romantic interlude between the two women. Remember when Carole said she had a dream about Bethenny and she was touching her ‘bathing suite area’? And that Bethenny said she’d be down with having a lesbian relationship as long as she didn’t have to go down a woman? And Carole looked at her like ‘we’ll see’. I think this was so vicious on both sides because it was an especially deep friendship.