I love when they start the reunion by showing the walk-ins. Shep is already wondering if he should change. Typically, when it comes to Shep, that answer is yes. Change. Change so much. The filming is held up for the taping of Kathryn’s boobs. This is not my favorite look for her. She tends to get a bit Loretta Lynn at reunions when it comes to styling.
Kathryn and Shep have first chair. Kathryn admits to getting a boob job. Thus the dress with her giant boobs hanging out. Why the hell did she put herself through that? Her boobs were fine before. Craig ripped up one of this pillows to make a pocket square and Andy asked for a pillow and he brought him one. I love Craig. The haters can just have a seat without a pillow. Austen brought some of his beer.
Andy starts by reading a statement from one of Thomas’ attorneys, “Along with Bravo, Thomas made the mutual decision not to attend today’s reunion taping as there is a pending investigation. Our client is fully cooperating with authorities on that investigation. He expects to be completely vindicated once the investigation is concluded. He sends his best regards to his fans and his fellow castmates.” The amount of ugly faces Kathryn pulled during the reading of the statement was tremendous. She’s seems to bristle at the whole situation.
When Andy asks how they feel about the Thomas situation, Cameran says it is the right decision. Then Shep says that 90% of the time Thomas is funny, eccentric, jovial, and then we’ve seen that there is a part of him that is not really him. Shut the fuck up Shep. He has multiple sexual assault cases against him. So that big part of him that you really love is allegedly a rapist with multiple cases open against him. Kathryn say she is focusing on co-parenting with Thomas, and that is improving, so she is not going to comment until the investigations are complete. Smart girl. Naomie says that Thomas has always been nice to her but he can be volatile so she too wants to stay out of it. Kathryn again seems irked by Naomie’s “He’s always been nice to me comment.”
Andy wants to talk about how all the women came together to support each other this season and the positive feedback that had from fans. Naomie seems to really want to talk tonight. She says that it was Kathryn and her recovery that tied everyone together. Kathryn says they have all dated guys that have been difficult. She’s sitting next to Craig and he is pissed saying that the women here were treated with respect by him and Austen (he neglects to mention Shep). Shep says that Craig talked down to Naomie and cites an example of where he said, “You may speak now, child.” Craig doesn’t remember saying that and Andy assures him that he did. He conveniently has the clip ready to play as if Shep was told to bring that up. Are we not going to discuss all the crap Naomie did to Craig? Craig is already wound up, perhaps over something Naomie said before filming. He doesn’t usually come in this hot.
Up next is even more with Naomie and her attack on JD. A fan said that Naomie has no room to talk about JD, even if she’s right, because she put up with “Craig’s lies” for so long. I’m already irritated with this Craig narrative where Naomie is some fragile flower being lied to by Craig. It’s bullshit. Craig wants Naomie to name one lie he ever told her. Shep wants to answer for her. Shut your piehole, Shep. This is not about you. The girls all talk about how JD was a womanizer and would spend late nights at his bar with young women. Austen defends him saying he wants more evidence. Austen and Shep are both pieces of shit, so of course they defend Thomas and JD. Liz tweeted after Naomie defended her to JD a tweet that seemed to be written by JD. Naomie tweeted back that Liz had given her full permission to call out JD and laughed about it afterwards. Naomie and Liz have not spoken since the tweet. Andy asks Cameron of the three men on the couch who would she let Palmer date. She goes with Austen. EW.
Backstage, Ashley’s hair stylist wants to know how she wants her hair. She says she is known for flipping her hair when she is nervous. I’m not sure if she is asking to be able to do that, or asking to have it put up so that she doesn’t do that. In the break, Craig asks if Ashley is listening to the reunion. Andy says she is not.
Andy talks about Cameran’s foray into motherhood. She say Palmer is great and crawled for the first time yesterday and she missed it. Presumably, that is because she was flying to NYC to film. Her husband did not attend any birthing classes with her. During her labor one of the nurses eventually told him he should probably get up and help his wife out. All the girls were upset Patricia would not invite Kathryn to Cameran’s shower. As far as the disgusting cake goes, the bakery only agreed to make the cake if they promised never to share the name of the bakery. The design was Whitney’s idea. Andy says he felt bad for Craig that people laughed at Craig’s homemade teddy bear. Cameran say she still has it. Cameran says she did not feel the instant connection when her baby was put in her arms and probably had postpartum depression for several months and she cried a lot. She says in the past couple of months things have improved a lot and she finally feels like a mom. She also felt a lot of pressure to breastfeed and she found it really hard. She quit after three months.
It’s time for Craig’s package which is always mean. Craig’s pinky is still really disfigured. He wears something to bed to try to straighten it and goes to physical therapy. They make fun of his house. They pester him about being a lawyer. He is doing pro bono work now to get his feet wet. What he is not saying is that he doesn’t want to try to open a law practice while he is working so many months on the show for a higher wage than he could make starting out as a lawyer. Then they start with the gay thing. Craig says maybe he should make a pillow that says, “Straight Guys Can Sew Too.” Can you imagine someone telling a woman who is a welder that she is probably gay? Craig says he needs an emotional outlet and it used to be gardening and fixing things around the house but after he had to move out of the house with Naomie he needed a distraction. I’m not even acknowledging the fake pillow situation with Patricia.
Naomie lets the entire world know that one of the deadlines Craig doesn’t meet is with the IRS. She says she is still getting notices from them at her house. That’s a bitch move. Craig is still in love with Naomie for whatever reason.They bicker back and forth. Craig said there was no reason that they broke up and Naomie was tracking him and keeping tabs on him well after the break up. Naomie says that Craig sends her mean texts. He says that was only when she saw the new guy with his cat. Craig says that someone told him last night that she wasn’t really feeling the new guy. The camera is on Kathryn. Kathryn says she did tell him that and that Naomie said that. Craig says Naomie’s whole life is a lie. The things Naomie posts on Instagram are her trying to create a false life. I have reasons to believe that. Naomie says she was talking about Craig. Kathryn says maybe she misinterpreted. Kathryn’s face says she did not misinterpret.
This Craig attack has gone on forever. Now we are going to talk about him telling the life coach he is a good liar and a master manipulator. Craig says that he lies to himself in order to procrastinate. I do believe he is lying right now. Of course Shep chimes in to talk about Craig’s little white lies. So does Cameran. Both Shep and Cameran love to judge people.
Andy moves on to Naomie saying that she spent this season, “feeding on Craig’s soul and stalking him all over town.” Finally. Andy asks if they could ever get back together. She says no. Craig says that he would love to date the person he dated a year and a half ago but she doesn’t exist anymore. Craig says he actually despises and hates Naomie now.
Backstage, the producers prod Ashley to call Thomas. Ashley says that she just talked to Thomas and he told her to be authentic and sweet. Those two things do not coexist within Ashley. I also don’t think she talked to Thomas. She has cameras on her. If she had talked to them they wouldn’t have asked, “Do you want to try to call Thomas one more time?” It seems he was not taking her calls. She says that Thomas has seen her fiery side with him. She says, “I don’t get angry. I get even.”
On to Kathryn. This season she celebrated her second year of sobriety. Kathryn has replaced her cracked phone. Kathryn talks about the awkward interview at Gwynn’s. The other girls say they have interviewed with Gwynn’s and it is really intimidating, Kathryn says it was hard because she knew them. She still works for Gwynn’s as a brand ambassador on social media.
She has 50/50 custody of her kids and has them one week on and one week off. Thomas still has her on random drug tests and she just took one the other day. (My sources say that anytime Thomas gets the least bit irritated by her he sends her for drug tests. Her arms are constantly black and blue for the tests. Thomas uses the tests as a punishment.) This is why she wore a long sleeve gown. Andy asks if she has resentment about still taking the tests. She says not really. But she does feel like it comes from a place of spite with him. Thus confirming what my sources say. She says she gets along with Thomas by just being numb to some of the things he does and trying to be supportive of him during the investigation.
Andy asks about Ashley and she says she has not seen or spoken to her since the Winter Ball. Kathryn says since the cast has taken her in as a friend she no longer has trust issues. Cameran tells Andy that she now sees that when Kathryn first got involved with Thomas, she was still a child. Now that she is a mom when she looks back she has so much empathy for Kathryn and feels like Thomas not only manipulated Kathryn, but he also isolated her by manipulating the rest of the cast against her. Cameran cries. She says she can’t imagine how she must have felt and apologies to Kathryn. All the girls cry. I may have some summer allergies. They play a montage of Cameran treating her like shit. Kathryn is so relieved to finally being understood. This makeup between these two goes on for a long time. It is really emotional. Cameran says that she doesn’t think we even know the half of what Kathryn has been put through. Cameran says she thinks Ashley is a horrible human being.
Next week, Shep and Kathryn talk about their hookups. Chelsea talks about the end of her relationship with Austen and says basically that he doesn’t stand up for himself with Shep. Austen angrily tells Chelsea to keep his name out of her mouth. I guess those two are not besties anymore. Ashley comes on and sits in Shep’s spot across from Kathryn. She says she expects Thomas to be cleared and says he has not been charged with anything, these are just allegations. Naomie says she had no problem calling Ashley an escort and Ashley calls Naomie disgusting. Kathryn expresses discuss that Ashley was inviting Kathryn to spend time with her own kids as if she had some sort of authority over her. Ashley responds, “I’m so sorry I was asking you to spend time with your own children.” Everyone comes for her about Thomas’ family asking to pay for her to go away. They tell her she is anorexic. Kathryn says that Ashley is an unkind, hateful, sadistic person.
I obviously get why Kathryn kept it short when addressing Thomas, and I can even understand why Cameran didn’t say much, but I really can’t with Shep and Naomie. Wrong is wrong, and I have a very hard time believing they are that ignorant about what Thomas did.
I never thought I’d say this, but I’ve got to give props to Patricia for cutting him out of her life. I know Luzanne Otte is a family friend. Still, she’s showed much more courage and grace here than quite a few of her Southern Charm castmates.
This!! 👆👆👆👆👆
As for Naomie and Craig, I’m not really rooting for either of them any more. Earlier in the season, I thought Naomie was being too hard on him for pursuing his artistic passions instead of a more “traditional career”. But in the finale, Craig really rubbed me the wrong way when he couldn’t just tell Naomie he invited someone else to be his date at the winter ball. And yes, he did say quite a bit of mean shit to her last season.
IMHO they’re not good for each other, and they just need to go their separate ways once and for all. I just hope Bravo and Haymaker don’t subject us to any more manufactured drama between the two of them next season.
Agreed, atdleft. I don’t think Naomi and Craig are a good fit emotionally. Just being two very pretty people does not build a relationship. Naomi needs a type A Go Getter and Craig needs a hippie type who will think his pillows are the balls and encourage him to embrace his inner artist.
I completely agree. On their own I don’t think they’re bad people at all, but together they are horribly suited and bring out the worst in each other. I thought Craig was ridiculous last night. You’re saying you’re a great liar, but you don’t lie to anyone, you meant to yourself? not likely. the people who tell constant, “harmless” lies freak me out more because it’s compulsive. I can understand lying in certain serious situations because you’re scared, or embarrassed, or there’s a major reason emotionally that you did so, but about trivial shit all the time? that’s a problem. I also don’t understand how you can be a grown adult and stomp your feet about “not being told what to do” via deadlines and such. We are not children, there are some things you must do if you want to function in adult life or business ventures, and respecting deadlines or committments falls into that category. Just because Craig convinces himself it “does no harm” to agree to, then ignore, such things doesn’t make it true. When you lie and ignore these things it undermines your credibility and trust with friends and business partners, that’s the “harm” it does.
I think the most truthful thing he said last night was that he can justtify anything in his own mind and doesn’t hold himself accountable for anything unless there are serious consequences inflicted on him. This is childish. He’s not a bad guy, he just has to grow up.
Naomie for sure was a jealous psycho ex this season, no question, and was definitely mean in return to Craig, which is why these two are NO GOOD for each other. Sniping at one another in a cycle of anger is no good. It’s toxic.
I loved Kathryn’s hair and makeup but that dress and the boobs were wayyyyy too much. She really looked better without the giant boobs, but she has her life in order now and that’s what matters. It was nice to see her composed and supported rather than lashing out and acting crazy like in reunions past. She may be growing on me lol
I can’t even touch the Thomas issue and the men making excuses for him, gross.
I don’t think I am mentally prepared for the crazy we will experience with ashley coming out. that woman works my last nerve.
I don’t get you women. First, Maomie is a mean, mean human being. The issue isn’t just her rrdiculous anger towards Crraig after the breakup, its the awful, sadistic way she confronted Peyton. Attacking people new to your area is just plain cruel. And Naomoe is the bitch, coddled only child — come on, at age 24 without a job she’s driving a Porsche Cayenne?
And Kathryn? Once wide false eyelashes? Fake tits at age 25? This is “recovery”? And she literally couldn’t handle a give-away interview for a sales clerk job? Kathryn is a really stupid woman, and Rav’s error is not only falling for such a vapid slut (Austen and Craig (maybe) are the only men on the show who haven’t screwed her). She’s lucky to have been knocked up (intentionally in my view) by Thomas. Trailer trash that she is, it could have been worse.
let me guess…you don’t have a girlfriend, right?
Hi Ashley!
Wow. Harsh. Naomi and Craig simply don’t work as a couple. I think she had built up resentment of Craig for simply being stagnant while she was completing her MBA. I don’t quite understand your level of hostility towards her. Yes, we’d all love to be blessed enough to be able to go to school without having to work. Once she graduated, she did open her clothing venture. It’s better for both of them that they are not together anymore.
As for Kathryn.. Yes, the pregnancy was intentional on both of their parts. They literally discussed not using birth control and being excited it she happened to get pregnant in season one. She clearly didn’t trap him. FYI a lot of women get their boobs done after having kids. I personally don’t think she needed it, but if it makes her feel better then great. No reason to be so hateful.
Ashley…erm…Alex, I would suggest your read the commenting rules here. You are obviously new, very new. Defending your indefensible self will do you no good here. Now run along like a good gold digger.
Radchick that is exactly what I was thinking and the grammar speaks for it’s self.
The bitterness sounds like Thomas to me. How dare Naomie drive a nice car. What’s a new way I can put down Kathryn.
Craig has hooked up with her too. Apparently, they talk about it during the reunion. It was during the time Thomas and Kathryn were planning on getting married. Everyone talks about how Thomas lied to her and didn’t have any intentions of marrying Kathryn but … that might be more two-sided that people have been led to believe.
Naomi is a mean girl. Her contempt for Craig isn’t a good look for her. Craig is harmless but if my BF were constantly lying to me I would be upset also.
#HiAshley!!
Hi Ashley!
Hi Ashley!
A team did her makeup,call Bravo. Vapid slut. 😂 Nobody here has used that wording against anyone. Kathryn was barely legal when this show started.
Ashley, you need to watch the back SEASONS…..all of the episodes. He clearly led Kathryn to believe they had a future. “What’s mine is yours forever. Well always be a family.”
And she didn’t say let’s do a card from the Ravenels like you said. She stated her own name. Which, by the way, isn’t trailer trash.
Personally I think Alex is spiteful Thomas. He has been here with nasty comments before and sees himself as upper crust. 😂
My mom said this about my my college ex and me. Two very smart and too alike and not emotionally suited for each other.
Thanks TT. I joined last year and love the recaps and comments.
I think when Kathryn isn’t in a ball gown with them pushed up at over 6 ft with those heels on….😮…..you can’t even tell she got a boob job. She sad it was more for filling in babies when she was so skinny, she had loose skin at 25. Look at all her Gwynn photos, her boobs look normal (so glad!)
You guys need to check out a you tube of Patricia titled “Ashley is ghastly” or some negative adjective. It’s recent and says things I never knew When she came, Thomas upped Kathryn’s drug tests to 3x a week! She called it abusive. I’d never be able to forgive Thomas. Ashley talking about KDs Mom incessantly. Patrica said she is obsessed! Put your seatbelts on!
I detest Thomas for using the drug tests as a way to show his control of Kathryn. What a snake of a man.
Oh, and one more thing: I’ve always liked Cameran, but I didn’t like how hard she was on Kathryn during the early seasons. I’m so glad she finally admitted she was wrong, that Thomas has hurt Kathryn, and that Kathryn has matured greatly since Season 1. I want to believe this was also Cameran’s declaration that she’s also canceling Thomas out of her life.
Again, I don’t get why it’s so hard for the others to at least stop kissing up to Thomas (even though I might actually know why, and it sickens me to even think about that).
I feel like Cameran only saw the error of her ways when it was obvious the tide had turned.
Possibly. But it did coincide with her finding out how having a baby is not easy, even if you are married to someone supportive. No one can understand the feeling of suddenly being a mother with a dependent baby, how your body has changed and your freedom gone and so much to learn all at once about caring for a helpless tiny baby. Then there is usually lack of sleep, trying to breastfeed with possibly cracked nipples, etc. Just a whole lot to cope with. Cameran said she found it hard and had some months of post-partum depression. I think all this is why nearly every mother is ready to show compassion to a another new mother. Cameran would definitely have had a shock to see for the first time just how tough a time Kathryn had and how none of the cast understood or really cared – and what a nasty bastard Thomas is. I will be so disappointed in Cameran though if she befriends Thomas again.
I think Cameron may well still have a touch of the PPD. Even if it has gotten better, as she said, she can feel really conflicted about being away from her baby for the reunion. On one hand looking forward to having some time by herself and on the other feeling guilty for wanting it. It could explain the quick tears and the newfound compassion for Katheryn. Kat was separated from her children for a lot more than a weekend.
You could be right and I prefer your take on Cameran.
Me too, and I was looking hard for actual tears when she was crying, but I saw none – maybe I missed them.
I don’t like to think Cameran isn’t being honest but she just seems like a person who enjoys the popular vote.
Cameron had no tears!! Just a red face. She’s terrible at fake crying. Just stop.
I think it was fake. Watch it again and you might laugh, like I did, as Cameron keeps trying to get the camera back on her. About 3 times when Andy was focusing his questions to Kathryn, and I thought the segment was over, she’d start crying again “but I feel bad” over and over.
Booohoooo now that I am a Mom.
Boohhoooo you were so young.
Boohhooooo
****eyeroll!
Exactly! Cameron has never been kind to Kathryn. Whitney and Patricia cut ties with Thomas after seeing what he did to Luzanne. Time to back the fan favorite as well.
Cameron is alone in a sinking lifeboat if she doesn’t turn on the tears and apologize to Kathryn. I’m not sure how sincere she is. You don’t have to be a mother to recognize an asshole (ravenel). Hope Cameron is downgraded to “friend” and replaced by Danni. Love every scene with Danni.
Thanks for your comment. I don’t have children but I was mortified when Kathryn lost custody of her children. I didn’t need a child of my own to understand the devastation she must have felt during that time and I totally get how hard it must have been to go through all she did alone. Shame on Cameron to say one can’t understand until they have a child of their own. Utter BS.
My sense of Cameran is that she follows Pat’s and Whitney’s say so. If they were not now for Kathryn, neither would Cameran ever be. I see her as very self-serving. Sorry, not sorry.
Well said Scottishwitch! I totally agree. And for what it’s worth, I enjoy reading your comments.
yep!!!
I think Jaded is probably right about Cameron, but isn’t that how most people learn the error of their ways? Everyone of us at some point in our lives judged someone too harshly. Then, when nature takes it course, as Kathryn pointed out, over time we are shown that perhaps we were wrong in our judgments. That’s when, hopefully, we learn to not do that again. I can forgive Cameron, but if it’s a pattern that Cameron continues to do, that’s when we will really know if she was genuine. Time will tell. Us judging Cameron by assuming she’s insincere is no different than when Cameron was judging Kathryn.
Great comment!
Wait! Did I become temporarily “Great” when TT had that moderation issue on the site a few days ago?? 😂
I have no idea how you became great. You use the word alot and probably just typed it in the name box instead of the comment box. 🙂
Yeah, I have to admit that I got kind of teary. I just watched tonight.
But Patricia and Whitney have not spoken about Charges against Thomas. Patricia has made it clear that it is Ashley’s behavior and her harrassing Luzonne. I think they will all get into Ashley’s behavior.
This is a legal issue. Any of them could be called
I get that. What I can’t accept, however, is Shep, Naomie, and Austen complimenting Thomas when asked to comment about the #MeToo allegations. They didn’t have to say Thomas is a nice guy, especially since they (at least Shep and Naomie) know what Thomas put Kathryn through, and they must have heard something about Luzanne Otte.
Absolutely, Ashley Jacobs has been nothing but monstrous this season… But she’s not alone, and she wouldn’t even have had this position had Thomas not brought her onto the cast in the first place.
Thomas has been a friend. I wouldn’t turn my back on a friend, ever
I would turn my back on a friend if I found the Friendship had been based on lies at some e else’s expense (in this case Kathryn paid the price.) I applaud the stance Patricia has taken since she learned the truth about Thomas.
I would turn my back on a friend if I found the Friendship had been based on lies at some one else’s expense (in this case Kathryn paid the price.) I applaud the stance Patricia has taken since she learned the truth about Thomas.
Mackie 40 – please review adtlefts comments – those are about the criminal allegations, not his relationship with Kathryn
Well Rosie, regardless, for me the sexual allegations are just extras to every other disgusting piece of behavior from Thomas to Kathryn, Luzanne Otte, the beverage cart girl and probably countless others. I bet his ex wife had a hell of a time too. He paid one of the sexual assault case victims $200,000 to shut up and I would believe Nanny Dawn over Thomas any day, whether or not he is ever found guilty in Court. He is in no way innocent of abusing women in general. I am surprised someone has not shot him along his life’s way.
I would not turn my back either — specifically, if there haven’t been charges filed yet or based on accusations only. People act like Thomas has been found guilty and the accusation is a fact. It isn’t.
When does Kathryn take personal accountability for what has “happened to her”? Sure, she was young. But, she had choices. She chose to get pregnant by Thomas twice. She chose to use drugs and knew that she would lose custody of her kids when the drug tests were positive. Those were choices and Thomas isn’t responsible for Kathryn’s choices—she is.
While Thomas and Kathryn were making plans to get married, Kathryn slept with Craig–allegedly according to what is revealed at the reunion. How serious was she about getting married?
I think this is too harsh…She was 21 and he was 50 and very wealthy and influential. Yes it was consensual but he also promised her he would take care of her. And if they BOTH were doing drugs (I don’t think he smoke pot) but did do other drugs WHY would she think she would lose her kids? I don’t think many 21 year old people have a real clue of reality. She has gone to rehab and remains clean and sober and says over and over she owns her problems. She isn’t making excuses for her past…she isn’t blaming Thomas…. only her older fans blame him and appreciate what she went through.
Its not a legal issue. And none of them will be called as witnesses. Only people with direct knowledge of the crime in question can be witnesses.
Bullshit. They could be called as character witnesses. If Thomas discussed at length with them the issues that he had with the nanny, they could be called. If they ever saw the nanny interact with Thomas before or after the alleged rape, they could be called.
They are smart to keep it to the level they are – cut off communication, but don’t say anything yet. For fuck’s sake, even if they wouldn’t be called as witnesses, why discuss it when doing so might interfere with the investigation OR jury selection!
Thank you! Well said!
As much of it is about a well known AND self admitted horn-dog and party animal it is only a matter of time for other women to come out of the woodwork. It may take longer since the women coming out now ARE older and more socially and financially secure. Thomas seems to prefer younger women who are easier prey and less likely to come forward against an influential man but eventually I believe more will come forward. We have seen plenty of evidence of his maniac temper. Imagine what we HAVEN”T seen.
Yes, JJBB!
#hiashley (alex)
Yes!
But you don’t know what he did It hasn’t been to court yet. Innocent until proven guilty guys.
Rosie, no one even got started on the serious allegations here. We are talking about how it has now become crystal clear the deliberate damage Thomas did to younger Kathryn, and how he lied about her to other cast members. He is definitely guilty of all that.
Kidding right? Kathryn did the damage to herself. Her (literal) hysteria on the dock a coyu=ple of years back, her almost stabbing Whitney in the ye in her rage? She is a dumb nutjob, a hysteric who knows she is in deep doodoo because after screwing half of Charleston’s men and finally, she hoped, getting knocked up by a rich one, he tired of her craziness.
Thomas is a fool, but Kathryn is a scheming dumbo. No innocence on either side here.
Go away!
Everyone chooses to forget or blame Thomas. Kathryn probably learned about accountability. She knows she was a mess
Are you lucid?
I think we have seen you here before, Thomas Ravenel. Take your self-serving narrative and get lost. You are a damaged soul and useless to any good woman.
And a real man with maturity, on the wharf the night you refer to, would have stopped and taken her arm and said “Hey, we will discuss it again in the morning.” Instead we saw a.nasty cad who was trying to make a very distressed Kathryn look crazy. To thinking people she just looked very distressed and being treated badly by a cad.
Start packing Ashley. The house of cards is falling and quickly. Go back to the Polo circuit. Don’t go chasing waterfalls. Please stick to the rivers and lakes that you’re used to. #ByeAshley
It’s too bad that no one (from bravo or haymaker) has reached out to nanny dawn yet. Are they really looking into thomas and these allegations? Or are they waiting for things to die down to protect thomas?
They are probably just waiting for the Charleston Police dept. to finish their investigation and see if Thomas is charged with anything. As I said before Whitney works for Bravo as the Executive Producer of SC and he is most definitely NOT protecting Thomas. Haymaker and Bravo can’t really reach out to any one without interfering with the investigation. I will be shocked as hell if Thomas comes back to the show. Patricia did an interview on Sirius radio and she said as far as she knew none of the cast was in contact with Thomas and Ashley anymore.
Even if there is not right now enough evidence I would expect the case to stay open indefinitely.
They are probably waiting for results of the investigation. That seems logical to me.
What about the woman he paid 200k to and made sign an NDA.
That never went to court because he settled to keep it out of court.
I wonder about that too! Her daughter is the one bringing it to light. But I don’t think even if she did take bribery money and sign a NDA that she couldn’t testify to a crime committed against her. I think Thomas may have tried to tell her that signing a NDA meant she couldn’t talk but I think her daughter knows better and that is why it has been reported. NDA are usually signed by employees to keep their employers lives private. Their LEGAL lives. I am not a lawyer but I doubt a NDA would keep you from reporting a crime.
Naomie’s comment about Thomas being lovely to her is irrelevant and really unhelpful to his alleged victims. Do people not understand how serious rape is? I expect that casual chauvinism from Shep but I was shocked by Naomie. If you aren’t going to condemn him then Cameran had the right alternative response.
I completely agree. I was shocked when she said that. Here is a man who has been accused of rape by multiple women and she is really gonna sit there and say “Well, he’s always been nice to me.” She is no loyal friend to Kathryn. We all know what he’s done to her. I don’t know how she could say that as a friend or as a self respecting woman.
I thought that seemed really weird since she was supposed to be supportive of Kathryn. Also I did get a bitchy vide between her and Kat at the reunion too.
“vibe”
Yeah, I HATE HATE HATE it when women do that.
If women need an example of how to make a statement, they should look up Kathie Lee Gifford re: Bill Cosby when the allegations first hit the main stream news a couple of years ago.
(Before she was married, she traveled with Bill Cosby as his opening act).
She said in essence that He never acted inappropriately to her nor did she ever see anything, but that that didn’t mean it didn’t happen. She just didn’t know. She also said it was a tragedy either way – if true, a tragedy for the women. If not, a tragedy for Bill Cosby and his family. (This was before a lot of them came forward now).
IM so happy Kathryn has 50/50 custody of the children ! Can someone please tell me if Thomas has to pay child support? Please say yes!!!!!
I can’t stand Naomi. The way she treats Craig is horrible. Kathryn did herself no favors by wearing that dress. It was horrid. I wonder what her daughter thinks of that dress?
I I thought Kathryn looked elegant and very appropriate for a white tie affair.
Her daughter is what? 5? WTF? She’d probably love it because it’s “princessy” looking. Well to a 5 year old.
Not my favorite look on Kathryn and TT hit it on the ‘Loretta Lynn’ comparison- too much poof and pink for my taste. Kathryn looks so stunning in black I wish she wore her winter ball outfit instead. And not that anyone asked but I think she looks so much better with the piecey lashes just at the outer edges of her eyes than the one big ass strip. I wish she’d streamline the reunion look a bit. But to be fair I cringe at some of the things I wore in my mid twenties. Her modeling shots for Gwynns are gorgeous. Kat is winning and I am super happy for her.
Yes, on the eye lashes. Kathryn looks SUPER HOT when her lashes are the natural strawberry blond color.
I don’t recall Kathryn ever looking good at the reunions. I understand this year she wanted long sleeves to hide bruising from drug testing, but there are plenty of stylish dresses/gowns that she could choose from and not have her boobs hanging out (big boobs that I don’t think she needed).
I think Kathryn is always beautiful, even when she lets us see her without a scrap of makeup on, but Tamara was right, the hairdo and dress definitely had a Loretta Lynn vibe. Maybe a different hair style would have made a difference, I think it was that more than the dress. I loved the short do she had earlier in the season – thought it was really young and perky, but, as I already said, it would be hard for Kathryn to look bad. I really wish though that the guys she’s slept with would stop coming out of the woodwork – Shep, Craig, Whitney and, of course, TRav. She’ll get judged for that, whereas none of the guys will, and that’s unfair. She needs to go out of her comfort zone and find someone who has nothing to do with that whole group – it’s becoming a bit incestuous LOL.
Woo hoo! The fun has begun! Loved watching this episode and looking forward to the next!
I believe that Thomas is spiteful with the drug tests.
I just listened to an interview with Patrica and she basically said that Thomas asked for them about every 3 weeks and then when Ashley arrived it was 3 times a week. Awful to think that horrible woman probably took pleasure making her get tested.
Thomas and Ashley truly are the match made in hell. They deserve each other.
That is so horrendous.
So can Thomas petition the court system and get whatever he wants? 3x a week is beyond excessive, especially for someone who wasn’t testing clean. And then Ashley has the nerve to call kathryn our for almost being late? Now I’m more pissed off. And more proud of Kathryn.
*WAS dangit. She was not using.
Yeah I wonder when this drug test period is set to end.
This is disgusting and abusive. Anyway he might just end up in jail where he belongs.
Really? That’s awful. What interview? I want to hear it
It was on satellite radio. You can look up. I found it on YouTube.
I thought it was the Court who made those decisions.
I always thought so too. But TT put the terms of last year’s agreement Li K up and I read Kathryn had to keep checking on-line and had 24 hours to get tested any time Thomas demanded it. A lot of power to hand one side of a custody dispute.
Sorry – TT put link up.
Who pays for all the drug and alcohol testing??
The standard cost for D&A screening in my area is $90.00.
Somehow I doubt it’s Thomas. If it’s Kathryn, that’s a big chunk of money out of her pocket each month–almost $1,200, if Thomas has/had her going 3 times per week. And if the courts are paying, the taxpayers foot the bill.
At any cost, it’s horrendous that Thomas was given the power to abuse the system and harass Kathryn this way.
I can’t believe they would draw blood from someone that many times in a week. And any judge who allows that must be a member of the good ol’ boys club.
I’d like to know the name of the judge. He, and you just know it’s a he, should be kicked off bench and bar based on this one sided, abuse of power and authority. If I lived in that area I wouldn’t want that kind serving my community.
somebody on here was asking about the name of the judge in the child custody case, and TT has posted links to the agreement and the judge’s approval of the agreement, including the terms for the drug testing, at least once before. I don’t want to say his name here, but you could probably find that document and see the judge’s name…
Let’s hope karma takes care of both of them. And Kathryn can finally be Free.
This was a pretty cool start to the reunion. I wish they’d cut it out with the Craig pillow case stuff. He is not skinning puppies alive or prostituting infants, he is SEWING, oh the horror! Him being jealous about the cat being with the new boyfriend is funny, though. Looking forward to what is next. I’m sick of/bored with Shep and Austen.
I loved this comment. I’m with you on Craig. I hate when they bash him. As TT always says (along these lines) leave him alone. He is a normal nice decent person ffs.
I LOVE Craig! He’s a gentle soul, making his unique way in life, and I don’t believe he’s nearly as much of a liar as he thinks he is. As a person with ADD, which I truly believe Craig suffers from, it’s easy to justify things in your mind to take away the anxiety of having to follow someone else’s time line. Naomi wanted him to meet her expectations, and he couldn’t. Craig doesn’t do well with other people’s deadlines, and I think that’s why he lies – to avoid difficult questions as to why he’s not delivering. With my own ADD, and with my psychological /perfectionist need to produce exemplary work, I still pushed myself hard to meet deadlines, or exceed them, but then I was working in the legal field and you don’t have much leeway there. I needed that pressure. Left to my own devices after retirement, outside of a professional environment, I became the Empress of Procrastinators. Craig is the Emperor. He’s going to be a great husband and father, because he loves and loves deeply, but he’ll need a woman who’ll encourage his individuality and treasure him for it.
EnglishRose- I thought you described Craig to a tee. Don’t you think that he is more of a procrastinator than a liar.
Yes, I do. People who procrastinate make up all kinds of excuses to attempt to explain why they’re not getting things done. I think that’s what he does.
Loved your comment. I think Craig has inattentive ADD also. He has such a kind heart but I can see how he would annoy someone who is as driven as Naomi is.
IMO Craig isn’t a self-starter and once he starts he doesn’t complete what he has started.
He makes excuses, just like you said in your comment, to keep from being ashamed of not starting and/or completing.
I agree with you. Love Craig and I’m sick of everyone dismissing him. Ever since Shep piled on him a few seasons ago I’ve been on his side. I don’t know why Naomi needs to call him out on national tv re IRS notices…she needs to stop being such a bitch to him. I just despise how she treats Craig…it looks extra for no reason. If he had cheated on her I would understand her treatment of him. It’s like nails on a chalkboard when she’s likes that w Craig.
Great comment
I agree completely, Craig makes a great income for his age from the show and still followed threw with becoming a full fledged lawyer, on top of that he is doing pro Bono work to hone his skills as a good lawyer. They try to demean Craig but he is honestly a good man and this all they can come up with, attack his sexuality because he has a passion for sewing. Here’s a good man, they really need to lay off of him.
I totally agree Kiki. I love Craig!
I like Craig too but he does need a kick in the butt. He’s on the edge of being a good MAN. He needs to pick up after himself, be somewhere on time and finish something he started in a timely manner. He has all these wonderful skills, but he does need to realize his lollygagger attitude is NOT attractive. Living with someone like that would drive most people crazy.
Exactly! Naomi proved her position with the IRS letters. The IRS might teach him about waking up and paying attention.
I wish KD had better guidance/council early on and Thomas would have to be tested!!! He is a real POS!!!
That doesn’t make any sense. Why would KD be the only parent tested? I assumed Thomas was getting tested and passed. No?
NOPE from what I understand it is only KD taking the drug tests.
Because this is South Carolina where the Ravenell name carries weight and he has plenty of money. She, despite being a Calhoun, is from tiny Monk’s Corner and limited resources. She likely didn’t have great legal counsel and he’d painted a horrible picture of her on national television. Since he had all the power no drug tests for him. Hopefully this has shifted now and she has better counsel.
Kathryn was the one who failed the drug tests in the early court appearances. That is when it counted. People talk of Thomas shaving his body but he always had the hair on his head. Thomas is a POS but there has only been conjecture about his drug use. His problems call for psychiatric evaluations.
Thomas did do 10 months in prison because of his past drug use, and Ashley’s eratic behavior reminds me of people who abuse that very substance he went to prison for. If Kathryn was living with him/dating him during the time she was using, there is no way he wasn’t partaking as well.
If I remember correctly, on a previous reunion, Kathyrn stated to Thomas, “You shaved your hair and used a shampoo to pass the drug test.” Thomas got very upset and made some threat about she better shut up or something to that extent. I have a friend that is engineer. He works for a very large company and when he knew he have to take a drug test he would order a shampoo that masks the THC in your hair. He always passed them with no problem.This was probably 15 years ago, so I would think that access to that sort of stuff has only gotten easier.
She said he shaved his body. No one saw him with a shaved head. A judge would have ordered a swab and made Thomas pay for it. If I remember it was the reunion where Kathryn was high as a kite, kicking her legs constantly and denied she failed her drug test.
The reason this conversation bothers me is not Thomas may he rot in hell. It is because of the assumption that an addict must always be an addict and will drag others in when in fact, addicts tend to hide their stash and don’t share.
Alcoholics and users can and do recover
If you think a special shampoo or detox from GNC are going to help anyone, I have a bridge in Brooklyn for you. It might work on a urine test but not on blood tests, swabs or hair folicule
As much as you love to shield Thomas, he totally bypassed the drug testing. No body hair, and a special shampoo on his head.
You are so defensive about the fact that Thomas allegedly is a coke head. it’s literally all over CHS. He’s banned from more restaurants than allow him service.
Your comments are annoying as fuck because you seem to have no idea what is going on no matter how many times I explain it.
Perhaps you need to find a new place to spew your opinions ad nauseum.
I am not shielding Thomas, no one can shield Thomas. I do know people with ties to Thomas and JD. I grill them all the time. No one is on Thomas or JD’s side in this mess but in terms of Thomas what I said was true. He is being investigated, nothing is proved yet. The folks I know think he is a mental mess and know thefe have been rumors of drug use but haven’t seen it.
Finally, you cannot shampoo hair follicules. That is a money making scam. You also cannot detox in a week if a blood test or swab is used. If one tries to detox with a store bought remedy, a urine test will not have a specific weight and be rejected by a lab. I do know this. I also know that addicts can recover. I said that in defense of those who have worked really hard in their recovery, Kathryn being one of those people.
Sorry I am annoying as fuck
Okay. But do you know if he ATTEMPTED to do these things in case his inside good ole boy network failed and he ended up being ordered to have a test as well? Why try to cover up if you are innocent??? Was HE also ordered to take a drug test????
This is in response to the comment you cannot use a special shampoo to pass a hair sample drug test. Yes, you most certainly can. I have witnessed it. I know for a fact it can be done. Someone I know ordered it online and used it according to the directions on the day of the test. He passed with flying colors.
I responded a little further down the thread to this so, I apologize for posting this again. This is in response to your comment, “I have a bridge to sell you,” regarding passing a hair follicle drug test via a shampoo. I suggest you do a little research on that before you assume you cannot. The fact that you referenced, GNC as the source for the purchase tells me how little you actually know about this subject. No one said, anything about GNC. What I said was that I had personally witnessed this and I have. You obviously, have not. GNC in fact, does not carry a product like this or did not at that time. I said, the person I know was a engineer that worked for a very large company; in fact, a international company. This person, is well respected, but was also a Phish Fan and would have followed them around the country if he did not have a real job. He had to take a hair follicle drug test and had to go to a lab that specialized in that at that time. I saw him order it online and I saw the product when it arrived. I actually drove him to the facility the day of the test because he needed a ride to the airport afterwards. He was a daily user and just for the record he passed the hair follicle drug test. I have a family member that has an insurance agency and you can also order these products to hide tobacco use. I have a relative that ordered one and successfully used it for his life insurance blood work. How about before you decide to be condescending and insulting to someone you actually know what you are talking about.
Why would a judge enable TRAV’s continued demand for drug tests? This should be based on intervals decided by an outside party. Also, with the allegations against the good ole boy combined with his televised outbursts and grandiosity, he should be on the “watch list.” He’s had other altercations w/women that are glossed over such as the hairstylist.
Why does K Cooper seem to cosign onto T and JD bullshizz. The other good ole boy: J isn’t hated because he’s a philanderer. He’s hated for his gaslighting and squandering as an insult to injury. I hope L finds a cure for her stockholm syndrome soon.
I get the tension between N and C. It’s two incompatible people in their twenties who are learning what works and doesn’t and haven’t learned to adjust expectations or cut your losses. I can see why they both got irritated but I don’t understand people dumping on Craig for not being a lawyer. He’s a reality dude with a pro bono side gig. He has his investment property. He sews and gardens and likes cats. People need to get off his jock and let him be. Especially those who rely on trust funds CE.
I used to like Austen but am not enjoying his current behavior. And that tape was effed up. I’m not sure if he was in on its release but he certainly behaved poorly and then placed the onus on his gf.
I hope there are some women judges around there This Good Old Boys mentality has got to stop It seems so obsolete. .
Kathryn agreed to random drug testing – at Thomas’ sole discretion and demand – in the terms of her custody agreement with Thomas (negotiated shortly after the failed drug test), which I believe there is a link to on a previous post. The agreement was for a year, and if she met the conditions of it she would be entitled to 50/50 custody, which she now has.
I do not understand why Kathryn has to have blood tests instead of urine tests. In California (or in the three counties I have lived) people with chronic pain on opioids have to sign an opioid contact. The contract includes random drug tests “on demand.” EVERYTHING shows up, including indications of “the old piss and vinegar routine,” which is drinking vinegar to detox and thwart the test results. Drug clinics have a person watch you pee. Better than poking you, I think. When does this Thomas-controlled testing stop? Isn’t two years long enough? It is cruel. And unusual.
It doesnt make sense. If she has passed a blood test as recently as TT says, a urine test should be enough.
There’s also a saliva swab that’s extremely Accurate and less invasive.
I am not a huge Naomie fan but I did love when she called JD out and she won’t back down to Ashely. She seems to want a guy who is focused and has some career ambitions and Craig is more of a let’s see where the wind blows me type of guy which makes them a bad match.
I like Cameran and I was glad to see her apology to Kathryn. She obviously realizes now that Thomas manipulated the narrative about Kathryn.
Just when I start to kind of warm up to Shep he says something creepy and completely puts me off again. He should stop focusing on Craig’s shortcomings and take a look at himself for a change.
I am glad to see the group come around and support Kathryn. Her dress though was awful. Sorry Kathryn!
All I can say about Thomas is shame on him for this drug test crap and he got what he deserved with Ashley.
Does anyone know if Whitney is still buddies with Thomas?
According to Patricia, she and Whit both cut TRAV and Ash off especially after seeing some very disturbing behavior toward a non cast member. TT has the info in her blogs.
I really don’t see anything wrong with the fact that Naomie wants a man with a good career outside reality tv. I can also sympathize with her frustration with Craig because he would say he was going to pursue law, but didn’t and this was clearly a deal breaker issue for her. I can see how she could feel like he wasted her time. That said, as soon as they broke up she needed to let go and forgive. Why does she care what he is doing, he seems fine. She’s dating a very handsome doctor now. I wonder if she works outside of southern charm?
I agree with you. Why does Shep think it’s ok for him to live an unconventional life but not Craig?
Remember the golf course scene? Shep and Whitney can afford not to work. Still, Whitney & Shep have revenue coming in. Craig has never had their money. He is basing his life on this television show. It is hard for friends and family to watch someone waste thir potential. I doubt any of them have Craig’s intelligence.
I agree it’s hard to watch a friend waste potential but Shep seems jealous.
YES! I was going to post about this scene! I remember Craig wanting to be a “socialite” and live off his new celebrity from being on the show and was out every night partying. That was the same season he modeled for K Cooper Ray and he thought he might try modeling. He said point blank in that episode that he wanted to be just like Whitney and Shep with not having to work. I’m pretty sure this was all during the Delaware trip where he had to tell his parents he hadn’t graduated.
Don’t most people dream of living off investments and not having to keep working? I think this is prevailing mantra of every office worker in the world.
That’s exactly what I’m dreaming of right now as I’m sitting in my office. 🙁 Let me win the lottery so I can get unchained from my desk.
Hell Yes! You WILL be screwed by corporate America. not if, when is the only question.
Not defending Shep – he has said tho that he has investment income or trust money – something to fall back on – Craig does not – basically this show is limited and when it stops so does the money.
For me I understand Shep trying to get Craig to have something to fall back on – he can’t say it like that on camera of course. That said, the browbeating of Craig by everyone needs to stop
/bangs head on desk
It’s too bad that Craig can’t sue Shep for defamation considering all the idiots that believe everything out of Shep’s mouth.
I feel sorry for Craig. Everyone is so busy telling Craig what he hasn’t accomplished, who they think he should be and what they think he should be doing. They should accept him for who he is. It’s no wonder he is a little lost.
I think Kathryn “gets” him. I love scenes with them together. I’m SO happy that we got to see the warm, smart, stable, always gorgeous and still a little firecracker Kathryn this season. She is a strong young lady. I am going through some hard stuff right now and can relate a bit to her situation and my goodness it spoke to me when she said she can go numb to many of Thomas’s stuff…I’ll just use the word stuff. Thomas continues his attempts to control and abuse her to try to get her to crack again. I am so proud of her and I hope she knows that she is a role model for others in her situation the way she just stays grounded and walks right through the fire coming out on top. Everyone is finally noticing and I love it for her. I hope life just keeps getting better for her. That is a damn strong woman in that pink dress. And to think she was just a manipulated young victim for so long no one would listen to.
I agree
Kathryn is gorgeous and should be so proud of herself for the woman she has matured into. Being faced with the evil bag of pus that masquerades as Ashley would be enough to test anyone’s patience and resolve, and she’s done wonderfully. I love seeing all her cast-mates rally around her, and being united in their disdain for Ashley. Shep is a pussy for always playing it so politically correct and making excuses for TRav. He’d be better off saying he prefers not to comment than to do what he did. Austen is equally ball-less. Very proud of Patricia for coming out on Kathryn’s side and kicking TRav and Ashley to the curb – didn’t ever expect to see that.
Ashley would have been better off not appearing on the reunion – I don’t think she’s going to help her case at all, and I hope she gets called on every one of her venomous, spiteful, jealousy-based, insecure attacks on Kathryn. She’s not playing for the home team, and I hope they let her have it.
EnglishRose- I’m going to call you “The Hammer” because once again you nailed it referring to Ashley as the evil bag of pus. LMAO!
Bang bang! Nailed it! I do think the cast will pull their punches quickly because you can’t fight crazy. What a mess.
So proud of Kathryn, I see her going on in life doing great things.
I have ADD too, quit picking on Craig folks! He’ll be fine!
Ashley had to be there, it’s who she is…and it ain’t pretty.
I don’t feel the need to add anymore, your recap TT and your followers comments (don’t agree with everything) but that’s what makes your site the best. It’s all been said and well said too!
Wow, just wow, as Kathryn would say. First, I love Craig and respected his being upset about “his cat” because Gizmo loves Craig too! I wish Naomi had not been so narrow minded, as Craig really loved her, and I was so moved by his saying she was beautiful with her old nose. That is a great guy. Shep is a douce to stand up for Thomas, as is Austin. I am HORRIFIED that the court still lets Thomas – with all the allegations against him and all his behavior we have witnessed – demand random blood tests of Kathryn. This is so inhuman as to shock the conscience of any court. Thomas should not have this kind of power over Kathryn. My blood is actually boiling right now and I want to throw something against my bedroom wall. It was nice to see Cameran apologize – and long overdue. Kathryn’s boobs looked beautiful, but I am constantly worrying that the dress will slip, and I wonder what made her feel she needed a boob job? She is a beautiful woman, inside and out, and I can’t help but feel that Thomas left her with some insecurities. And why? She is gorgeous and highly intelligent while he looks like jughead and acts addlepated. I am not looking forward to seeing Ashley next week take more of her abusive shots at Kathryn. It is toxic just to watch her on TV, so I can’t imagine what it is like being in the same room with her.
Addlepated is the perfect description. Addlepated alleged attacker. Accurate alliteration.
She’s always had great boobs. I’m sure after 2 kids, they were beginning to sag and she wanted them back where they originally were. Her surgeon did a great job!
I don’t think she should have had an enlargement. I liked her boobs before. She should now choose less low cut dresses. I hated that reunion look. I love kathryn in less OTT glamour clothes and less makeup.
I felt the same after having three kids but my current husband looked at me and told me “what, your breasts are amazing you fed my two beautiful daughters and now your breasts are two times they were, your beautiful babe and you earned those tiger stripes.” I’m lucky to have a husband who appreciates my faults for the struggles but Kathryn is in the public eye and you and I both know the public eye can be very harsh on the person being reviewed. She looks phenomenal. my
That is so sweet!!
I felt the same way as Craig, he looks at the Gizmo situation like a kid just like I do. I devote just as much to my fur babies as I do my three kiddos. It’s hard to see someone pissing with your fur baby when your infested with that fur baby was as much as Craig was. That reaction just proves he will be a really great Daddy one day.
As though we didn’t already know that Shep and Austin were not dating material, they confirmed it by going out of their way to defend and alleged rapist. They clearly don’t respect women.
THIS.
I hope Kathryn nails her to the wall
Darn, I hate how big she went. I gave serious consideration to a boob job back in the day. Total asshole on and off boyfriend of 5 years, was kind enough to show me scars on beautiful women…obviously naked😂.
Best thing he ever did was make me appreciate my nice firm small C boobs. They have grown bigger and moved south as geezers tens to do… born with them rejoice but big sweaty boobs are the worst. Wish she had a lift. Beautiful girl
It feel like they’re doing to Ashley what they did to Kathryn. Some might feel Ashley deserves it but, at the time, so did Kathryn. She was not a nice person when they were unkind to her. So, back to my point … if they’re really sorry, and feel bad for treating someone so poorly, why don’t they control themselves better and stop.
I use to like Shep — but Shep and Austen seem a little hypocritical to me. I really don’t like the way Shep pretends to be Craig’s friend but is the first one to throw him under the bus.
Kathryn was a 21 year old girl who was used by a man old enough to be her grandfather.
Ashley sought out that criminal al she paired up with. Ashley is an adult. There is a huge difference.
That would be a really young grandfather
There is no moral equivalency whatsoever between Ashley and Kathryn. Kathryn is someone to admire and Ashley is in the sewer.
Its reality tv, if they bring Ashley back, she can be the saint and Naomie or Chelsea will be public enemie #1. Maybe even Kathryn will piss some people off. The players change position every season and we all love to write narratives in our heads notwithstanding the facts. It happens every year on every show.
Spot on. I agree completely.
We do all write narratives in our heads.
No. Don’t see this happening. There was absolutely no provocation for Ashley to behave as she did. She is as Cameran described her – a horrible human being. Not possible to make her into a saint. I want her gone. The other girls have their ups and downs but none are evil like Ashley. I would like Danni to have a bigger role next year. She is interesting with her art and Bravo might find some new men for Danni and Kathryn.
Mackie40, I totally agree with you about Ashley. Her toxicity is all her own. Also your suggested finding love story lines for Dani and Kathryn and maybe even also focusing on Kathryn’s modeling for Gwynn’s. There are great story lines without Ashley and Thomas.
Kathryn did not seek to hurt or destroy anyone. She simply reacted to the way she was being treated by Thomas, who was backed up by the others because they believed his lies about Kathryn. She was also very young and vulnerable when pregnant then a young mother alone.
No comparison with Ashley’s nasty, deliberately vicious behavior and she is in her mid 30s.
If a baby didn’t make her grow up, nothing was going to make her grow up. It took her a while
I don’t tho K you or I likely had to be a young mother in quite such rough and punitive circumstances as Kathryn had to. I might have crashed more heavily than she did.
I intend to put the judging stories about Kathryn behind me and hope for a bright future for her and the children.
Well Sam, you got told with the $1 words like peurile and hyperbole. Look at my reply. Repeat it until you believe it. You will be fine 😂
Hey, MuffinTop, it’s a real reach for someone who always puts in their two cents worth, like you, to opine on what constitutes $1.00 words. No one came for Sam. He or she gratuitously attacked others, and I was one of them. And now you are doing the same thing in a very passive aggressive style. If you want to quote me, MuffinTop, then tell me directly.
I believe I hurt MuffinTop’s big fat feelings and she has left the building.
MuffinTop, PLEASE Try to get laid this weekend. Or buy a vibrator. You’re annoying as FUCk lately.
Do you find that women who say things that you don’t agree with only do so because they need to get laid? Interesting, usually men pull that out of their back pocket when they get exasperated.
By the way I have not disagreed with you on Thomas. I only put it in perspective of things that could happen. If my assessment of Craig bothers you, so sorry. I do not see him as you do. It happens
No, I made the suggestion because you have posted the same shit over and over and over in the past few days. It’s exhausting and non stop. If you don’t want to get laid, try taking a shower, or going for a walk, making a BLT.
You seem deeply obsessed with this topic.
Ain’t gonna lie. Calling this annoying one “obsessed” without throwing Mackie40 and scottishwitch in there with their endless ENDLESS mooshy gooshy oooshy lovie dovie mommy posts about Kathryn is off the chain. And I like Kathryn.
I know, your rules. It ain’t my house. I’m finding different things irritating, but then again I yelled at somebody at the grocery store the other day because the green peppers looked like shit again, so there’s that.
LEt me end this.
People are all good or all bad
Thomas is an addict
THC shampoo will wash hair follicles
Kathryn is a saint who only made mistakes because of Thomas
Ashley is Evil
Shep is an old Drunk
Craig is perfect and will find huge success with pillows
Chelsea is beautiful and should have a more enhanced role
Dani has a sparkling personality and shoud be given a larger role because she Kathryn’s friend
Austen is Austen, not much to say about him except Chelsea dodged a bullet
Patricia is an old hag who is being seen in a new light
Whitney is a gay Mama’s boy
Ok?
Sam: Do not come for me. I completely reject your false characterization of my comments about Kathryn as “mooshie, gooshy, ooshie, lovie, dovie and off the chain.” My observatios, as a feminist and Kathryn supporter from the very beginning, have been expressions of my OUTRAGE at the horrible way she was mentally and emotionally abused, bullied, mobbed, gaslighted and cruelly demeaned as a single mother – a child herself – at the age of 21 – and ostracized by almost everyone except Dani. Very few could have survived it – and it was her love for her children that pulled her through. And now you attempt to belittle her, and myself as one of her defenders, with your dishonest and puerile hyperbole. Go take a seat next to Ashley under the Ravenal bridge.
But she to all appearances did.
I hate this Craig criticism. He’s what? 28? He’s not relying on his parents which I think was made obvious. So yea, he may be misguided but what guy at his age isn’t?
Maybe I relate to him because I’m a good liar too and I lie to myself most of alll. Why are they wasting time beating up on Craig when Ashley is the one that should have a beating!? And I’m sorry but Austin’s behavior is and has been gross. #teamcraig
Craig isn’t hurting anyone. He is unfocused. I don’t think he needs a life coach. I think he needs adderal.
There is something about Austen that I don’t like. I’m not sure what it is. I think he is very shallow. I’m not sure I can see what Chelsea, and others, see in him. Maybe he is different in real life. 🙂
And, Shep. He’s hot. But, I am not falling for how nice and thoughtful he appears on the show. I’ve read his tweets. If he disagrees with a fan he is unapologetically ruthless. I am sure he knows his other fans will jump on the bandwagon. He has a right to his opinion but his delivery bothers me. And, then there is his defense of Thomas. Is he being a good friend or is he being a good ol’ boy excusing bad behavior? I’m not sure.
To your point, HE IS 28 yrs old. Well into his adulthood. I should hope he isn’t living with his parents.
Great comment XOXO. I agree 100% with you.
Shep and Thomas are related, so I doubt Shep would sa anything negative about a family member.
I think that is pushing it….Shep didn’t even know that Thomas’s grandmother was a Boykin so if they are related I would bet it is of the kissing/distant cousin type rather than a direct blood line. Shep is very proud of his Boykin lineage and has talked about it continually but didn’t know about Thomas until Thomas told him and plus Shep rarely says anything negative to say about ANY-one except Craig and Ashley.
and then there’s Shep’s faux maga hats….ugh
What on earth do you have against Shep. He drinks, he parties, he has hooked up with a lot of women but none. Of them talk badly about him. I am guessing that he is not disrespecting any of them. He has been kind and inclusive. He is a trust fund baby (which I wouldn’t mind myself), and hew owns and invests in several business ventures. If he chooses to settle down, he would be a catch.
I dont think that Shep defending Thomas because he clearly indicates that 10% of the time Thomas is off. 10% is enough to get him arrested. All of them are waiting to see what the investigation reveals. No matter the faces, Kathryn is holding off with her opinion. That is the right thing for them to do for a friend (former?) or baby daddy. If a good friend of mine is accused of being an ax murderer, I am not jumping on a bandwagon. That doesn’t mean that I agree with anything that happened.
I know you adore Craig but he is cute and a little useless. I hope that he is being honest about the pro bono work and is really exercising his skills. I will never buy pillow making as an art. An artist could have designed a pillow in two months. I am also now wondering about his house flipping past time. Chelsea was quick to point out that those wooden panels behind the wall are studs as though she knows something. He also seems to think that studs are in old houses as if they are unique. He is adorable, I hope that carries him through life.
Naomi still has a whole lot of bitterness. I think we missed something that went on in their relationship.
I want someone to find socks for Austen, I hate that. The glasses make him look nerdy though he doesn’t match the description.
Muffintop I just have to say which I never normally do I love your reviews. You always say exactly what I’m thinking but better.
Me too!
Plus she says it 78 times just in case you missed the first 77!
79
AND READ THE MOTHER FUCKING COMMENTING RULES.
What a lovely mutual admiration society!
I never understood the issue with Shep but then I saw his Twitter replies to people, some were really cruel and horrible with no real provocation.
Take away Shep’s parent’s money and all that is left is a drunk.
I can see why Shep says Thomas is 90% a good and entertaining guy.. I think Thomas is one of those people who normally treats people very differently, depending on who they are and what he wants out of them.
He sees the guys as people he is generally trying to claim a friendship with. He treats them as buddies.
Women like Naomie he has not hit on yet, so they remain prospects and get handed a bit of his veneer of charm.
Pat used to invite him to up market events, so he used to ooze charm to her.
He has Ashley already pinned, so she gets no charm.
He thinks he is tantalising Kathryn and making her jealous so in public he does the sleaze ball flirting to show her what she is missing and can then also achieve making Ashley jealous and insecure at the same time, and hopefully Ashley will then rile up Kathryn, to suit his custody arguments. . .
He uses Kathryn dancing etc and coparenting to make himself look good, and he puts on the pressure to her out of spite, with extra blood tests. He does not love her though he lusts after her.
He is a game player on multi levels.
Very good assessment. Given Kathryn’s quality time with Patricia and Luzanne (sp?), it is clear to me that she knows the allegations against Thomas must be true. I think it is courageous and telling. I can only imagine how this is going over with Thomas and how he is going to treat her as a result.
Thomas better get rid of Ashley ASAP if he wants to share custody with Kathryn. I have been stunned and outraged about the drug testing revelation (3x per week per Patricia) ordered by Thomas. So I have been reading up on online information on South Carolina Custody laws. Ashley’s attacks on Kathryn are a sure fire way for Thomas to lose custody percentage if he doesn’t cut ties with demon from Hell. I only hope Patricia goes one step further in her support of Kathryn and helps her hire a really good attorney to fight this shit.
I hope so too, JennyJenny!
Some things that stood out, to me, this season:
When Kat asked Kensie ‘what kinds of food they could make’, with Play-Doh? Kensie thought a bit, and then innocently said, “Maybe… some… Mash-Ah-Tay-Toes?” So, so, so adorable!
Watching Kat comb Sainty’s hair, for his Birthday party, and seeing him all dolled up in his special suspenders and bow tie, was very touching. I am so happy that Kat is getting to have these tender moments with her kids. They are so sweet and they ARE a family.
I do wonder what the red marks were on Saint’s face and if he has sensitive skin like his mum. That was never addressed, but I’m sure all the fans were curious if he had fallen or what happened? But it was a very sweet party and I am glad Ashley was NOT part of it.
Speaking of Ashley, I was annoyed watching her slump into the kitchen, at breakfast, the morning after the Daufuskie Island blow out. Ugh! The way she repeatedly said to anyone who offered her bacon or sausage or a spoon, “Oh, thank you so much” in her breathy, fake ass, mouth open, tongue licking her top lip, followed up by two short spurts of air that sound like “aah aah”. In other words, her “Sweet Self”. Ugh!
Besides the many disgusting things Ashley has said and done this season the thing that gets to me, upon first glance, is her slumping. She hoists her shoulders down and juts them forward. She’s a SLUMPER and it instantly gets on my nerves! The slumping adds to the fact that her neck is so long. Then she wears off-the-shoulder clothing with no bra? Come on, dawgs. In comparison, look at Kathryn’s posture. When Kat walked into the Winter White Ball, in that black dress, hair up, shoulders back, beautiful posture, she looked goddamned gorgeous. It is no wonder Thomas can’t take his eyes off of her.
In addition, Ashley’s constant need for Thomas to “stay close”, “hold my hand”, “protect me”, “do not let go of me”, “Don’t talk with them, talk to me”, “Don’t stare at her, look at me” it drives me nuts. The kicker was at the dinner where they all caught crabs and bought fish, while waiting for the food to be prepared Thomas asked if Cam had her baby yet, and while he was being told that Cam might have to have a C-Section, Ashley desperately wanted to pull his attention away from the person speaking, while acting like she was ignoring the topic of discussion, says to Thomas, “Let’s do a Selfie”. Then the business with Shep and the crab pick; pestering him as if attempting to clean his teeth, then trying to put a shrimp in his drink? Fucking aggravating and quite frankly, mentally challenged.
I think it is despicable that Thomas has hired a P.I., the husband of the Beverage Cart Girl (that he left at the altar) to produce evidence against Kathryn in custody hearings. Also, the fact that Thomas repositioned & relocated Deidre the Nanny, as the care taker of the Brookland Plantation, is just another form of Game Playing with Kathryn. It seems his goal in life is to torment Kathryn. To continue the drug tests, knowing Kat is sober, and that the procedure causes her to bruise, is quite sadistic. Thomas admitted that his mother devoted most of her attention to his brother who was born with Down’s syndrome, therefore, Thomas felt neglected to a certain degree. I think that is why Thomas likes to punish women. I’ve seen, on the show, his drunken outbursts of rage, directed towards women. I have also seen his pretentious actions of putting on a fake smile and dancing like he’s having a swell old time when , in fact, he was in a heated argument. It’s all a game and an act. I am glad that the rest of the cast has finally seen the light and no longer believe his made up bullshit.
One other thing, I would have liked to see Danny at the reunion. She played an important role this season and I think she would have had a lot to add. Also, I would like to see her artistic talents show cased, because, from what I have seen, she truly has “Southern Charm” way beyond the television screen.
You forgot the despicable “Feed me.” I almost lost MY feed at that one. Only surpassed by the toenails and the “who’s the boss” talk.
Oh, yes, the “feed me” request. Sickening!
I was grossed out by the toenails scene.
And when Ashley said to Shep, in effect, “Told you I’m the boss” I wanted to grab her by her pistol grip ears and smash her face into the fish tail! LOL
Good summary of a truly disgusting and attention seeking woman who is definitely old enough to know better. Must be hard to be in the same room with this evil and nakedly manipulative person.
Wow. That may have been the most precise recap ever written!! Outstanding-and while I appreciate your viewpoint I rarely agree with every point, but I think your observations are spot on. I cannot take the Craig-shredding. Why? Who the eff is he hurting? Meanwhile Shep loves Thomas 90% of the time? Really?? Just unbelievable. Also don’t get why ole Thomas doesn’t have to be tested-now THAT would be some interesting results!! Thanks T-stellar as usual!! Tear that new laptop up girl!! Way to go!!
I’m over this forced Naomi/Craig crap. I’ve been through enough of my own bad breakups and certainly don’t want to go through someone else’s.
So Katheryn had the mommy makeover. Cameron is on deck. All my girlfriends had them after babies. I think it may be a South Carolina think.
This reunion was really bad for Thomas and it’s only going to get worse.
I guess it’s gone way beyond SC, as Brandi Redmond shared that she had one on RHOD last year.
And I feel your pain re the Craig/Naomie breakup. They just need to go their separate ways and move on with their lives.
I think Kathryn looked gorgeous. She gets daring clothing. Not always the best looks but she looks stunning. She is a true beauty. She looks healthy and happy.
She really is a true beauty, as a ginger myself I think she rocked her look all season. Kathryn truly is a ginger beauty.
Can we talk about Jennifer Snow in the finale? Her taking up for Ashley is certainly not going to do her any favors in the future, how disgusting!
I was disgusted by her behavior and watching her from the very beginning I felt like she definitely had alterior motives. She is just plain shady and always has been.
I never quite trusted Jennifer when she was Kathryn’s friend (allegedly). Something was off about her to me
I normally never divulge any personal information about myself online, and I hope I don’t get slaughtered for this comment but here it goes. I relate a lot to Katherine’s situation with Thomas. I was very young 21 when I got with my first husband (28 years my senior) shortly after leaving the military. He came from a very prominent wealthy family which I had no idea of when I met him. His father and siblings held very high positions in government that I had no clue of until we were already living together. That said I also come from a family with a very long history in the military and government as well just not as much money as he had similar to Kathryn. I experienced the same bs gaslighting that Kathryn did. The only difference between her and I was that I was married to him for ten years and had one child with him. It’s so hard as a young woman at 21 dealing with a well connected wealthy partner who makes you feel less than and holds everything over your head.
I love seeing how much Kathryn has grown because it reminds me so much of my own story and i love seeing the cast finally rally around her like our mutual friends did to me. They all knew way before I did what was coming and I see the same with Kathryn. She’s a good soul like me who got taken for a ride when a man lied to us and promised things that never panned out. The only difference is I stayed ten years to long and Kathryn was smart enough to not Mary the sob. Anyhow I’m stepping off my soap box now and that reunion was definitely worth the wait. I’m looking forward to the party two.
Bless your heart. I hope things are well for you now. Thanks for sharing this. It may save someone else from making the same mistake.
Much love and hugs
So easy to believe what you hope is true. Young women are very vulnerable to experienced older guys.
Of course common sense dictates that if the guy is so nice, why is he single at his age? But young women think they can be the person who changes everything for the older guy, with their unique commitment and understanding.
It happened to a lot of us I think. Mothers should cover this issue with their daughters before they too give their hearts to a serial womaniser. I remember my chap carefully avoided much time with my family where I would have seen he was not a good fit. Finslly worked it out.
Thanks for your story and best wishes!! ❤️
That’s pretty crazy the similarities in both of your respective situations!! You clearly have the inside track especially since you both (You and Kathryn) come from similar backgrounds!! That was a great comment, thanks for sharing. While I believe TT writes the most discriminating (ie. Best!!) recaps in the biz, The commenters may be the break-out stars. Under Tamara’s tutelage she has schooled us into a thoughtful, insightful and kind bunch. It’s a nice give and take here-I feel safe here in a weird way that I don’t otherwise always feel. It’s nice.
i just wrote a literal damned Wall-o-Text and my screen crashed. ugh. i shall try again tomorrow.
Did anyone see the Instagram or Twitter comment where someone asked Ashley what she was doing by carrying around her nursing license card to a formal ball And Ashley replied “Patricia told me to bring it.”
i wonder if Andy will ask her about that when she finally shows up?
I really used to like Cameron but she never once shed a tear while she was “crying” on that sofa for Kathryn and dabbing her eyes with a tissue. Kathryn, on the other hand, had tears rolling down her face when Cameron was “sympathizing” about her situation. Something tells me Cameron is still not a big fan of Kathryn.
I agree. I think Cameran just realized the tide had turned and it was time to align with the winning team. I think she’s too judgmental and a little too proud of her reality tv career. . . if I had to guess.
I really should correct myself. That was total speculation. Only Cameran knows what is in Cameran’s head.
Yes. Wise comment. I do think motherhood hits us all differently but generally hits hard at first in at least some ways.
Oh no, I totally agree with you. She is still on the abuse Craig train, isn’t she ?
Had she really learned a lesson from her judgemental mistreatment of Katherine, she would not continue running her mouth on Craig.
Actions speak louder then words
Agree about Cameron. Hope katherine doesn’t share too much with her. After sheps comment about ravenal I think his romps with Katherine are over. She had such a hurt look. Dani should be sitting next to katherine cause she’s the only one who’s really had her back. This drug testing is bull ! Wish she would get different lawyers . Start a fund or miss pat is rolling in the dough so hey ……
I may have missed it, but did Craig say he was actually doing the pro bono work at the free clinic, or that he planned to do it? And did he say exactly how many hours he planned to spend? He was talking so much to defend himself, I got lightheaded.
I am over Naomi. And she surely lied about what she said to Kathryn re her current BF. She may regret it, but it seems she said it. BUT, shame on Craig for revealing it on tv. It was a totally gratuitous attempt to hurt her current relationship.
For some reason, Cameron’s apology didn’t sit quite right with me. It shouldn’t have taken so long for her to see Kathryn’s suffering. I get that Cameron missing her baby while in NYC may have really brought it home, but I would hope she understood how badly she treated her way before the reunion and apologized beforehand. (I am guessing she started to realize it earlier because she asked that Kathryn be invited to her shower, but didn’t really back up that request.)
I admire how Kathryn seems to let all the crap surrounding Thomas just flow away from her. I was cheering for her when she said she didn’t care that he ordered the blood tests/whenever he did, because she had no fear of failing it. That she can compartmentalize these things is the best for her. I would be raging against him and Ashley.
No matter how much the cast trashes Ashley, I don’t think I will feel satisfied. She will never admit she is wrong. She will continue to say nasty things. I fear she will be asked back next season. The cast will have to stand strong. And Bravo better not find a “friend” to film with her, like they did with Vicki on the OC. I don’t believe in karma, or she would be destroyed by now.
I don’t know how they can all say “Thomas has always been nice to me” Have they forgotten the dinner party where he lectured them all then threw them out chasing and cussing them as they fled on the golf cart down the street in Charleston? Damn.
I think that is an example of the 10% not-himself that Shep is talking about. Remember that more than one woman who alleges being attacked described Thomas in a trancelike state. Cocaine use can create temporary paranoia. Alcohol can alter a personality. We KNOW Thomas can be an ugly drunk. IF combined with coke, temporary personality disorders can occur. Or he could be a natural-born sociopath. Or just an entitled good ol’ boy manchild acting like an idiot when he doesn’t get his way.
I really wish Craig would get tested for ADHD. He is so scattered and fragmented with his follow-through . It seems that a lot of Bravo people could use Mood Stabilizers too but the booze would be a problem. .
Did not need to read past TT’s first paragraph! So funny – made my day.
Loretta Lynn! Perfect! Kathryn is such a beauty, I don’t know why she wears overblown Dallas outfits to the reunion.
Except for Kathryn, no one came off that great at the reunion. Craig and Naomi bickering isn’t fun to watch. Putting out Naomi’s boyfriend status on national TV is not cool. Shep and Austen are players, pure and simple.
At that dinner party after ripping everyone, he apologized and blamed it all on katherine. She made him say all that crap, see what I have to go thru ? And they all accepted it. So I have problem with they didn’t know he was doing this . Watching it ya could tell what he was doing. They all aren’t stupid. Something just is off. Katherine may have done some “things” but she has never gone out to destroy anyone. There is more to the hankie business too.
Oh, I kind of understood why they accepted it Kathryn WAS using, and that OFTEN covers up the other party’s part in the mess that is their relationship.
When Kathryn was using, her rages and outbursts were louder and bigger than Thomas’. She gets nailed by the courts as not being clean, and there is Thomas, single dad. He was able to gaslight everyone, not just Kathryn, because her behavior from drugs, etc. was not pretty.
I think the biggest thing he is angry about with Kathryn (until he realized happy co-parenting in the social media could help him) was that she got sober and he can’t hide behind it.
So I was curious about this clothing store Gwynn’s that Kathryn works for and tried to find a website to see some of the clothes. All the links I can find say the account is suspended. Anyone have any idea what’s happening there?
Correction: I just found their facebook page. It looks as though Cameron, Chelsea and Naomi all were wearing Gwynn’s dresses to the reunion.
And Kathryn’s too. It actually looks better in the Gwynn’s photos than it came of on tv. It looks like it might be velvet? It reminds me of the fabric of the coat Queen wore in Fantastic Beasts which you can actually get custom Ade by a lady in Singapore. Weird that I know that, right? I’ll stop obsessing now.
Queenie- not queen.
It is panne velvet. That refers to the finish, not the fiber. It is manufactured as a knit and a woven. Very popular during the hippie days.
I haven’t watched yet (moving along with my usual delays!) but I did see that Kathryn posted some behind the scenes videos on her instagram stories where she is trying to move around the set in that dress, and homegirl cannot keep the boobies in it to save her life! I actually love that dress on her but….MORE TAPE! 😀
Patricia and Whitney kicking Thomas and Ashley to the curb is very telling. Whitney is the executive producer of SC so the fact that he and his mother have absolutely washed their hands of them and are publicly shunning them lets me know they know EVERY THING that is about to come out and it is going to be bad.
Gosh, I really hope so!
We can only hope. It’s time for his shit to be Done.
So, did anyone else notice the vitriol between Kathryn and Naomie last night? Anyone have the scoop on any falling out between them?
I wonder if Kathryn is pissed at Naomie for the way Naomie acted when Kathryn wouldn’t open the door to her and Danni. Naomie was acting nasty about it IMO not nearly as concerned as Danni. I thought Naomie acted more like she wanted to catch Kathryn doing something rather than being worried for her. Maybe I am wrong.
I noticed. Also, Naomi hasn’t had any pics of h r with Katherine on social media in long time.
I thought so too Jenny.
Re-watched. Not really. I don’t think she was pleased Kathryn had said that though and I think it was a shock.
I love Craig and I would also love to see KD get FULL custody of her kids.. Oh I would also like to see crazy Ashley go play chicken in rush hour traffic. I would pay good money to watch that happen
Every reunion for this show seems to be beat up on Craig time. Maybe they should try something new next year. It’s old and played out. Let Craig be Craig, he does what he wants on his own time.
Naomi is just straight up evil, no need for her to bring up any tax issues. She is just being spiteful.
I love the reference to Loretta Lynn for Kathryn, that is spot on! Now I can’t get Coal Miners Daughter out of my head. I’m glad she is in such a better place now and she can see Thomas for what he is and how the drug tests are punishment. Way to take the high road Kathryn!
Naomi appears very snobbish. Now that she has her Anesthesiologist boyfriend she’s all happy now.
I wonder how long she’ll keep him after what she said came out last night.
Whew! This was a lot to take in!
Craig and Naomie were terrible to each other during their relationship, but I did think they were in love with each other. Craig is afraid of “adulting.” His case of Peter Pan syndrome is particularly ruinous and sad for those around him as he flits through life, but that’s how that syndrome works. I was very happy to hear he’s doing pro bono work and hopefully that will give him a big dose of real life because I like Craig. I agree with the cast members who think he’s still in love with Naomie, but she sure looks like she’s over-and-done and outta there. I miss her old nose, too. *sad*
Naomie tries too hard. She reminds me of Landon. Everytime Bravo/Haymaker thrusts another Naomie or Landon on us it only makes me scream at the tv, “Bring back Jenna King!” I get the feeling I would like Naomie if I knew the real her, but she’s just not interesting enough for a reality show.
Fucking HELL, Shep! He doesn’t look like he’s all there anymore. He is positively lackadaisical at this point of his Drinking Myself into Senile Seniority Tour! Seriously…is he suffering from some early stage form of alcohol-related dementia? I totally believed him when he said anyone could track him down and he’d buy them a beer and a shot. Hey, Shep! I’ll have any beer but Austen’s and a shot of Maker’s! Anyone defending Thomas right now is only telling the world that Ashley and/or Thomas have something very dirty on the defender…
Austen. lmfao Chelsea dodged a bullet with that one, right? Cam chose him as the only guy who could date Palmer? How about Andy Cohen? The camera guy? Is there a FedEx guy anywhere nearby? Pick one of those instead of Austen. Sheeeeesh.
Chelsea is amazing imo. If she’s even half of the person she portrays on the show then she’s still cool. She’s smart, successful, funny, and interesting. Can’t forget gorgeous. I hope she finds someone who will treat her right!
Motherhood certainly agrees with Cameran even if she’s gone about it in a non-traditional way. Being a mommy has softened her, but it hasn’t changed her at her core. I honestly got teary eyed when she apologized to Kathryn. It seemed heartfelt and very honest. Little Palmer is adorable! She really is a cutie patootie.
Kathryn! Wow. The poise, patience, and strength she shows these days is mindblowing. I have always been #TeamKathryn so this change makes me so happy. We have only seen bits and pieces of what she has been through. I can’t imagine the everyday hell she’s been through. It is wonderful to see the real Kathryn finally shining bright! The support the cast gives her now is beautiful. Isn’t it amazing how strong a mommy can be? It is my hope that Kathryn gains full custody of Kensie and Saint. They need her so much. Kathryn is putting her children first so I truly believe she will continue to co-parent because the kids can’t possibly know how bad the situation is with Thomas. They are at that age where he’s just daddy. I know that it will be so hard on Kathryn, but from what we’ve seen that will be a walk in the park compared to what she’s already been put through. [email protected]! She does do the whole Loretta Lynn thing for reunions! Now I can’t un-see that. hahahaha! Thanks!
Ashley. She looks hollowed out. She looks mentally and physically drained. Does anyone know if she has family or any real friends that can go scoop her up and save her life? Is she really so terrible that she doesn’t have anyone? Next week looks like it will be brutal.
[email protected] camera guy? Fed ex guy?
Craig is not doing pro bono work, he said he was going to. I think he said that to shut people up. Attorneys usually do pro bono in addition to their paying practice, not in lieu of it.
IKR? I find it hard to believe. Love Craig but he’s told so many stories so many times…..
Kathryn and Naomi seem like they had some sort of falling out before the reunion. It was more than the ‘misinterpretation’ issue. They seem to not like each other anymore.
As much as I LOVE Kathryn throughout the seasons she always makes me uncomfortable at the reunions. She seems so annoyed the whole time, and it’s at every reunion. But I do still love her and am always rooting for her.
I wondered that too, but then I don’t think Naomi would have revealed that to Kathryn in the first place if they had fallen out. I think it has more to do with the greater loyalty Kathryn knows she owes to Craig after all the times he stood up for her when EVERYONE was again at her. She knows she owes him the same.
I think Kathryn was trying to make Craig feel better about being dumped but she forgot he can gossip. He was still proud at Hilton Head about saying to Thomas early on that Kathryn was gold digger.
I haven’t seen any comments about Shep saying Kathryn was “really good” sexually. TMI but better than a negative sex comment. Reminds me of John Meyer describing his addiction-like sexual relationship to Jessica Simpson. HA! Just thought of something. Perhaps Shep was making a dig at the “pro,” Ashley, letting her know how good Kathryn is so she has one more thing to measure up to with Thomas. Shep does have more going on in his brain than the “aw, shucks” he affects.
I would love for that to be true! Never thought of him actually using that as a dig on Ashley. That would be brilliant! As awful as Ashley is I still see Thomas as the man behind the curtain and it makes me sick.
Why is Chelsea a full cast member and not Naomi? It is almost painful to watch Chelsea try to chime in and be relevant. She is nice, but I don’t see how she has earned it over Naomi.
Someone who thinks ‘deadlines are arbitrary’ will never be a lawyer. I think Craig went to law school to please his parents and the pro bono talk is to shut everyone up. Again. I like Craig but he is 28 and its probably time to find your focus.
Agreed. It was also uncharacteristically unkind of him to respond “you weren’t working, you were going to school” and roll his eyes when Naomie was talking about how it turned her off to come home after working all day ( pursuing her MBA, I remember them talking about her grueling schedule that season because of her studies/exams) and find him loafing about.
In my experience, going to school for your MBA is definitely “working hard” and is not easy. I don’t think that was fair of him.
Agreed 2x. I am usually a Craig fan and on the “let Craig be Craig” train, but I didn’t like him as much during this part of the reunion. He’s stil pretending to want to be a lawyer but that’s not going to happen unless he spends time being humble and learning the trade, probably following someone else’s deadlines. I don’t see him doing pro bono work because he doesn’t want to have to answer to anyone, even a client. But I think that’s perfectly OK – there’s no reason he has to be a lawyer, because he’s clearly supporting himself and doing just fine. Anyways, I had some experience with close friends that constantly told white lies, and it was really frustrating because you end up watching them get caught in their own little web of untruths and half truths again and again. Like Craig said, most of the lies are ones he tells himself, and it’s never fun to see someone you care about getting lost in an alternate reality. I’m neutral on Naomi, probably because I skipped season 4, but those two are awwwwwful together, so I think it’s totally delusional that he is saying there’s no reason they’re not together! It’s obvious. Plus she has said several times that Craig constantly talks over her and you can see that at the reunion – it would drive me nuts. Craig is great, but this was not a good look for him.
Since Naomi has said she does not want her boyfriend on this show I am wondering if she will be coming back to this show next season.
Hope not she is debbie downer
I hope not. All she does is bitch at Craig.
Does anyone know if, now that Kathryn has 50/50 custody, Thomas can still order her to have random blood tests? 3 x a week is abusive. That Judge should face sanctions.
Yes he should. To be fair if Kathryn has a test He should have a test. And anyone hanging around in the rafters (Ashley)
Hey Nilla,
Why did K Cooper Ray stop posting here?
He was shaming Thomas’ victims in a private forum. We had to part ways.
No he didn’t!! That’s just messed up
Unfortunately K Cooper Ray appears to believe that anyone involved with Thomas essentially deserves what they get, because “everyone knows what he is like”. He appears to be overawed by the Ravenal name.
And charging for access to his bashing forum – not nice at all!!
Oh nooo! Thank you Tamara for letting us know, this makes me very sad.
I’m glad you did that. I’ve always respected that you protect the victim’s privacy in these cases, particularly where they’ve asked you to.
Thanks Lady!
I saw that too and left the group. Ick!
I said this at the beginning of the season, and my opinion has not changed. Naomi hooked up with Craig to get a permanent spot on the show. Bitching at everyone else, especially Craig, is the only story line she has. Where does she work ? The house she lived in is paid for with Daddy’s money. What has she actually done for herself ?? Craig is the only one on the show that owns property he himself bought without parent’s money.
Take away rich parents, and in Pat’s case, gold digging for rich husbands, and what have they actually done themselves ??
Did anyone else notice how they filmed this to make it look like Shep was fawning pridefully over Kathryn with every one of her answers? Any time she was speaking, they would pan to him and show him oogling her as if he was head over heels in love with her…I suspect they are going to try to make this a future story line….And, as for Kathryn’s boob job, my concern would be the narcotic pain relievers provided after the procedure. Surely she had to take something, right? I’d have been concerned with a relapse or something once she was prescribed those. Glad it doesn’t appear like anything like that happened! I think she looked lovely without the big fake boobs, but to each his or her own! : )
You can tough it out 🙂 I’ve not had a boob job, but I’ve had several surgeries since being in recovery and absolutely no narcotics. You really should not touch them unless your doctor feels you are jeopardizing your health or the procedure by not doing so and you have no other choice, and even then, you should be gravely concerned. Tylenol it is! lol
Did anyone else see TRav’s instagram post from today that he deleted? It was pic of him with his kids saying they were leaving for their 7 out of 14 day time with Katherine? Katherine even commented on it saying it was too specific or smthng along those lines. I didn’t grab screenshot before he deleted.
I saw it. And I have zero sympathy for him.
I HATE Ashley. I was duped by TRav’s charm but it seems others were not. I can’t help wishing he would dump her but nope. They deserve each other. I think he’s despicable but I still hate Ashley more. KD style wasn’t my taste at the Reunion, I don’t get it, it seems very Loretta Lynn. But I give her tons of credit. She holds her own and has that old movie star style glamour.
Not only is Ashley hateable but she seems dumb as a stump. How do you not ‘get’ that the mother of your boyfriend’s babies is always going to be in his life and you should do your best to get along? She is just beyond disrespectful. It’s like she wants to kill KD out of existence (without actually doing it but I wouldn’t put it past her she’s that psycho). It’s like she thinks she can make KD act like the Kathryn of 4 years ago not the stronger KD. SorryNotSorry Ashley you lost. You are hated by everyone in social media and Charleston. Just go away off TV forever. I am actually considering not watching the rest of the reunion — who needs the aggravation and her ugliness on TV?
I love Craig. Naomie seems like the “thirsty” one to be on the show.
My hope for Kathryn is that she finds herself a billionaire, maybe a Silcon Valley one who will empower her to turn the tables on TRavenel. How does the south work? How does he get to dictate all the terms legally to a mother??? In most states, mothers have rights. I hope we get to see more of Kathryn’s vindication. It’s better than a novel this show.
Omg what you posted are EXACTLY my feelings. I believe anyone with a tv hates her also. And I’m so so hoping the tables are turned on trav. Oh when she and trav finally burn out where will she go? Hahaha.
I think Kathryn is really beautiful but I fear that if she does not tone down that huge cleavage and wear less makeup and Les revealing clothes she will attract another TRav or a Jax Taylor or other aging playboy rather than a Silicone Valley billionaire. As it is you get the occasional sleaze commenting on her assets on her Instagram.
I think she is at her most beautiful and relateable with almost no makeup and in ordinary clothes. Eg with Shep on the wharf when the bird swooped at his food.
Agree! Kathryn is most beautiful when dressess with simple elegance and uses minimal make-up and classy jewelry. She needs to dress in country classics or a simple long sleeved black dress with a boat neck and pearls. That Edwardian outfit at the polo match was fab, and Dani was right – only Kathryn could have pulled it off. She has to stay away from anything that looks cheap – cheap is not her look.
One thing no one has mentioned is Craig’s odd body language. I don’t think he looked at one person in the eye.
WAs he on something? Or maybe off a medication? It was distracting.
Ashley’s glass house is fixin’ to BLOW the F up!!! soooo happy!
Katherine has learned the hard way. Her coping skills before cost her dearly. She is telling us more of what she endured and bravo showing it. Her journey is far from over. Even if t. RavenaI gets his just rewards, his old man will not go away and take it laying down if she gets her kids back. His comment who would raise the children if he (thomas) was hurt playing polo tells all. To me Dani gets katherine and is her “true” friend. Who cares about her relations ? Men do it and they get pats on the back . Just wish they would stop over sharing
I just watched Part 1 of the reunion for the second time, and was surprised by a few things. First of all, I know Shep has been sarcastic to Craig in the past, but he just didn’t shut up with the little digs during the whole episode. What’s his problem? Has he been reading how much more popular Craig is than him on all the various sites? Is he jealous? Then Craig’s attitude was so sour. I know it was all due to the proximity to Naomie, but I would have expected him to be more over it than he is by now. He’s so angry with her for breaking up what he considered to be a wonderful romance when it began, and is equally sad about the loss. I think Naomie can be a bitch, but she still seems so frustrated with him – I think that relationship was like trying to put a square peg in a round hole – it just wasn’t going to happen, no matter how long you tried. I don’t think their lows would be so very low now if their highs in the beginning hadn’t been so very high. Cameran seems to be very hyper-sensitive, probably still due to all the changes caused by pregnancy and motherhood. She actually seemed a little over the top to me. I guess I remember when she was such a snobby bitch to Kathryn, and hope she’s not just jumping on the bandwagon with everyone else in their admiration of Kathryn. It seemed genuine, so I hope it lasts. I don’t really understand why Chelsea was there – she seems so much on the periphery of everything, and didn’t contribute much – just the occasional dig at Austin.
I just HAVE to say I LOVED Kathryn’s dress! Give me something Pink and Gold and I am a happy girl! (my living room has pink walls with gold accents if that is a clue!!!) And it was a Gwynn’s dress and Kathryn is a good employee working the Gwynn’s promo’s! Definitely not for everyone but I thought it looked great with her coloring and new titties!!!!!
Hi All!
I am watching a live IG stream from 13 hours ago and it is Kathryn, Luzanne, and Patricia! OMG! Worlds colliding. This is getting gooooooood! They are thick as thieves filming from their dinner at the Bel Air Hotel.
(TT, hope this is not a violation of rules).
I just watched the stream, too. Kathryn said that the 2nd part of the reunion would be 90 minutes!
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!
I have a severely multiply impaired daughter and there are very strict rules in place for attaining permission to actually attain video/audio tape or images, not to mention the publishing of the images and articles written, etc. Not only is Ashley in violation of HIPPA laws she is also in line for law suits from the facility she works for, the patient’s family, etc.
I would be helluh pissed if she posed with my kid and published that video. I would not stop until she was fired, and not allowed to do that to anyone else’s loved one, ever again.
The article also talked about Ashley explaining to her choice fans how to create bogus instagram accounts and stalk certain members who left her group?
Isn’t she supposed to be working when she’s taking care of a patient?
How is she taking care of the child when she’s video taping and chatting, etc.
To me, she is using those patient’s, like a prop, to decorate her acting stage, in which
she gives the performance of an active nurse in S.C.
Nurse’s do not do such a thing. It’s shameful.
Quoting Shep, while slapping my leg, “I FUCK-ING HATE HER!”
I responded to someone else’s post regarding a video. The post is gone now. I hope I did not violate the rules on here. Sorry, NEWBIE.
Looks like I did. And not a newbie either. 😁 Though maybe someone else put up a video too?
I agree with all you say: awful violation of patient privacy. Ashley may have got permission, but I doubt it as that was not stated at the time of the privacy breach.
The bigger question for me, and one I have had for some time, is how has the nursing agency not noticed Ashley was constantly constantly on social media during working hours?
In her video with the patient under the Ravenel bridge she was using her paid time (and exposing her patient) to further her own social media campaign – entirely for her personal advantage.
All extremely unethical.
OMG! I’m tellin’ ya, heads would fucking roll!
And I hope they do because something has to stop that woman.
Aren’t all nurses mandated reporters? I think someone has already reported her to the S.C. Board of Nursing judging by recent news.
The focus of a nurse or any caregiver should be solely on the person they are caring for. They are not supposed to use the person they are caring for as a prop for their own media self-promotion. The shtick never seems to end.
Not only was she pandering to her tiny little ‘fan club” she turned to her nonverbal PEDIATRIC patient and said, “say hi!”
She’s a piece of shit,
She has no judgement at all as to what is the right thing to do in any situation. She is as self centred as a 2 year old.
Man, TT, I didn’t catch the end of the video where she said, “Say Hi!” until I read your post. I know this shouldn’t upset me so much, but my kid is non-verbal, no word association, and I’m beyond! You have said and she has said that she has stuff on Thomas & Kat. Well, wouldn’t it be a bit of irony if This video is her demise? While she’s holding on to a sex video to use against whomever? On second thought, Thomas & her don’t deserve the same fate.
I mean to say that Thomas & her DESERVE the same fate.
Thank you for pointing that out, TT. Like Bongalow Chris, I also did not notice this before hand. Imo, her asking such a patient, or any patient, to wave and say “hi” for her self-serving video, is not only horrible but also shows a lack of any sense of what is appropriate.
I agree that Cameron seemed to be faking and being dramatic. Yes i can see where she has new perspective after having a child of her own but both she and Kathryn probably have had multiple nanny’s and help from their parents which I’m sure is not a luxury that most new mothers have. Naomie just played the role of bitch this season with her stalking and going after people and really had no room to judge Craig that harshly. Pretty funny she got caught redhanded in a lie about what she said the night before. Sure she was shocked Kathryn came to Craig’s defense
1. Naomie (aka Airtime Hussy) was a bitter Betty this season. I think her friendship with Kathryn is fake as she’s jealous of her. I can remember a season or so ago, Craig and Naomie were driving to a party KD was not invited to. When KD called, Naomie’s told Craig to let it go to VM or something like that. She’s jealous that Craig had an attraction to KD and probably still does. When KD went into hiding this season, Naomie was the one that was egging everyone on and putting a seed in their ear that she could have relapsed. Why did they make her a cast member, she added no value. Again… .airtime hussy!
2. Ashley (aka Trashley) is a dirty worthless pigeon under the misconception she is an expensive valuable toucan. She is annoying, drops poop everywhere she goes, and everyone wishes they can just shoot it. She is more thirsty than her dried out hair. Her comments to KD about what it takes to be a mom was disgusting. I don’t believe anyone has told her what it takes to be a human being. Karma is on the fast track lane to reach her!
3. Jennifer Snowden (aka Swamp donkey) is as useful as a $3 bill. She’s another one that is jealous of KD. She has always wanted to be a cast member, but has the personality of a door knob, therefore hasn’t been cast. She just met Trashley and within moments is sticking to her like flies to poop. In every scene from the party where you see Trashley, you see Swamp donkey in the background lurking. She befriended KD when she was vulnerable and took the opportunity to help Thomas take her kids away. She’s like herpes, all season long you steer clear of anything that might cause a flare up, then bam, out of nowhere it appears again and ruins your evening.
4. JD Madison (aka PIG Madison) looks and acts like the bastard child of a used car sales man and a street walker (not referring to Trashley). I’m glad they gave him less airtime this season as he gives me nightmares. His voice makes me think of a creepy uncle hanging out by a park in a white van without windows (you know what I’m saying). He walked into the party thinking he’s “Superfly” but in reality everyone knows he’s pond scum. His disparaging remarks to his wife solidified why she finally left him.
5. Thomas (aka Pompous) has always been a creepy pig. I’m glad his true colors are showing! My mom always told me never trust a man whose lips recede into their gums when they talk. That means even his own lips can’t stand the poop they are spewing and they duct into their gums for cover. I wouldn’t say he deserves Trashley, as not even the span of Satan deserves her. However, karma is cashing its check from the bank of Trashley. By the time karma is done with him, he will be broke financially and mentally, and maybe then he’ll learn some modesty and decency.
6. Kathryn has always been the star of the show. All the men want her and all the women want to be wanted like her. Yeah she’s made mistakes, but haven’t we all. She used to be reactive and now she’s proactive. She’s fiesty in a good way and has truely gained and earned the respect of everyone. She has to swallow a lot of pride to still be cordial to Pompous Ravenel after all the BS he put her through. Any lesser woman would have Loraina Bobbit him by now.
This is a very serious situation regarding Ashley on many levels due to her stupidity.
I’m sorry, but I just don’t buy Cameran’s apology act. She has been nasty to – and judgemental of – Kathryn since day one. But at that time, almost everyone was against Kathryn. Now, there has clearly been a shift, and many people like Kathryn, are rooting for her and want to see her succeed. She is now popular in a good way, so now Cameran wants to be associated with her. I think Cam knows she isn’t loved on this show and would be disliked even more if she stayed against the now redeemed hero Kathryn.
Her apology (to me) came off as so rehearsed and phony. And each time Andy was wrapping up that segment, Cameran piped up again…when no one was even speaking to her anymore!
I feel that her plan was to use her new mom status as an excuse to suddenly feel bonded to Kathryn. Give me a break! She didn’t need to become a mom to realize how nasty she has always been to Kathryn. One has nothing to do with the other. I can understand if Cameran, now experiencing the challenges and emotions of motherhood, empathizes with how Kathryn might have been feeling in addition to being ostracized from the group. But Cameran acted as though she’s seeing her actions clearly for the first time…and only able to because she had a baby. BS.
Cameran seems to just align herself with whomever is popular and liked. Like the kiss-assy way she got in with Whitney and Patricia.
Just not buying it. At. All.
Frequent peruser, first time commentor…
I am SO ready for the second part of the reunion!!!!!!!