It’s the finale and the Ho, Ho, Ho is going to get called out. But before that happens, I received some new information recently that Kathryn lost her paternal grandmother around the time she “disappeared” and also, her maternal grandmother passed shortly before this ball. And yet, she is strong. She has really grown and matured in ways I haven’t and I’m twice her age.
How do we have time for this lengthy season recap? I want to get on the ball! Oh dear God. I was laughing my head off at Kathryn flipping through Patricia’s book. I have to be nice now because I think so highly of Luzanne and admire how she is taking legal action against that Bending At The Knee site and Thomas and Ashley. She has broker a tentative peace treaty between Patricia and I. So you might notice my tongue bleeding on these recaps as I write them and try to respect my elders. But Patricia wants to send me a book and now I have a good idea what the book is. Ouch! I just hurt my tongue.
We start with Cameran in the midst of Chuck Town’s favorite pastime, mocking Craig. How can anyone be mean to Craig? I just don’t understand it! Cameran is such a little snot. Muchlike Brittany on Vanderpump Rules, Craig as lost his spark. Cameran is there to tell Craig all the things he is doing wrong. Craig needs better friends. 
Naomie visits Kathryn and Kathryn talks about her conversations with Thomas at the polo match and how Thomas is unhappy with Ashley. Then Kathryn starts talking about this blind item on TT. Kathryn seems to think Thomas didn’t know that. Girlfriend, she is getting paid up front for this ridiculous “affair.” Kathryn thinks that Patricia invited her to a white tie ball to set her up to fail. Naomie begins to engage in Chuck Town’s favorite pastime.
Craig, Austen and Shep go to rent some tails before the winter ball. They were all out drinking until the wee hours the night before. Apparently, Austen got on stage and sang with the band. Countess Luann has a much better voice. The topic turns toward the polo strumpet. Apparently, Whitney was trying to get Thomas to pay her to fuck off back to California. She suggested five grand would do the trick. Whitney suggested to Thomas in front of the polo THOT that he should pay her $50K to just fuck off. WTF? Whitney, she was leaving for $5K!. Then the NDA was disclosed where someone took $200K to leave town and keep her mouth shut and now they are still allegedly in negotiations. Thomas’ sisters also offered to pay to get her to leave according to sources on the streets of Charleston.
Poor Craig can’t even zip his own pants with his hand injury. He has to use a coat hanger. What happens when he has to pee in a bar? And how does he do the button. I would dress you Craig. In a creepy old fat lady way, but I would do it! lol.
As the polo floozy and her mark are getting dressed, she tells him to fix her a strong drink. Perhaps there is truth to the rumor that Thomas enjoys being shamed by a dominatrix? Yet in all his confessionals, it’s clear he needs an exit strategy. Life Rule Number One is ALWAYS have an exit strategy, Thomas. Then he gives her a locket. Thomas winds Ashley up to go after Kathryn.
Kathryn is very nervous about her white tie behavior and seeing Patricia. In her confessional, Kathryn says Patricia believed every bad thing Thomas said about her and never really got to know her.
I am not in a good place with K. Cooper Ray at the moment, but Lawd he should have been in charge of this ball. The man may have some questionable morals when it comes too Thomas and the #MeToo movement, but he can throw a ball and Haymaker was ridiculously stupid for getting rid of him. I mean, he’s never been accused of rape and his fashion sense is spot on true southern gentleman.
Cameran mention the event is “like the Titanic!” That should have been the titular comment, but production’s choice to go with, “Ho, Ho, Ho,” amuses me.
Whitney is the most elegant man at the ball and then, JD arrives. I thought surely with all the allegations surrounding him we had seen the last of him. His fake fur from KMart speaks volumes. His wife is there separately.
Naomie is tasked with telling the girls that Ashley is a hooker. Production is just murdering Naomie this season. Craig shows up with his date Bella and guess who is going all Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction? Come on, guess! lol. Finally, Chelsea arrives with Austen and the Queen arrives with Shep. Dear God, Kathryn is stunning in that black gown. I’m guessing that did not come from Gywnn’s.
Peyton is there. Why? Austen tells the working girl she is Cruella de Ville tonight.
I have to say that Kathryn should have spent a bit more time on table manners, in particular, how one holds a fork. I don’t even want to get into the Jennifer Snowden and Kathryn stuff. I like them both. Jennifer did say bad things at the custody trial about Kathryn, but they were true, from what I heard, but she failed to say that Thomas was much worse. I hope these two mend fences. The fact that Jennifer is going along with the paid whore at this point is pretty despicable. She’s a mother. The little tramp from Santa Barbara seems to think Kathryn goes to bed every night thinking about how she is winning! She’s so delusional. EVERYONE HATES HER. Meanwhile everyone is talking about Ashley being an escort. There were new comments today on this blind item saying it is not a secret in Santa Barbara and that her family basically kicked her to the curb over this when the discovered the allegations this week. I’ve heard since well before this season started that “Bilo” has a condo on the polo field in Santa Barbara where he provides women to the players and Ashley was always there. ALLEGEDLY. It’s a rumor I heard.
Austen goes to tell Thomas and Jennifer decides to back Ashley, oh Jennifer,it’s an open secret. Thomas of course denies it. But he is the one LITERALLY PAYING FOR HER TIME ON CAMERA! It’s obvious to every viewer what is happening here. Jennifer Snowden is on the wrong side. I am going to miss Jennifer Snowden’s IG account by now she is talking about Austen’s dead sister. WTF? And that illusion mesh on Jennifer’s back looks horrible.
Craig comes for the trollop? Did I already use trollop? And points out that she has accosted him and Shep if they were older. Actually she straight up told Shep she would dump Thomas for him on camera!
On to a Calhoun who doesn’t know how to shag. Is that aging out because I have two left feet and did a lot of shagging over a few weeks when I was in Columbia at a private club (there used to be weird laws there, do they still have to serve you with airplane bottles?) anyway, I was young and gangly and willing to try and it wasn’t that hard with a good partner (he may say otherwise). To be fair, Shep can’t shag either.
After the dance, Kathryn approaches Patricia to thank her for the invitation. I hate Kathryn’s orange off the shoulder look. Not cute on a redhead. Wrong color. K. Cooper Ray could have told her that.
WHY AM I CRYING AT THIS PATRICIA AND KATHRYN REUNION? MAKE IT STOP! #Sobbing Then Jennifer Snowden ruins the moment and Kathryn excuses herself. WTF JSnow? Way to pick the wrong team.
Naomie is a cunt to Craig. Again.
Ashley and Kathryn talk. Ashley says “don’t forget your kids were taken away from you.”
This cunt needs to die in a fire. Seriously. She is the lowest of the low. This whore seem to think that he geriatric accused rapist is the best thing that ever happened to her. That is probably true. Who else can she get pushing 40. She needs to go for the big payout. And Thomas’ behavior on the show set her up for this. Then Ashley threatens her with “a lot of information.” Not shockingly she has allegedly threatened Thomas with the same thing. The rumor is she got into his phone… and that is why her dumbass is still in Charleston.
Kathryn tries to tell Thomas how psycho this dumb bitch is. She lays down the law that she cannot be around their kids. Then she says “Be careful, if she threatens me, she will threaten you.”
And that is where Thomas is at now.
My DVR cut off right when they said Kathryn has 50/50 custody of the kids. I hope I missed the part where the slut is barred from being around the children.
You didn’t miss anything. Unfortunately the 50/50 custody was the last update.
But weren’t we supposed to see a preview of the reunion? Strange cut off.
You can see a preview on the Bravo wesite
I always have a hard time finding it ~ Does anyone know when it airs? Will it be called WWHL? That screws me up, just call it Southern Charm Reunion!!
Agreed!
Ho ho ho? Red dress, white gloves, necklace. Pretty woman rerun.
Trashley deleted her twitter account an hour before the show aired lol
Which Twitter? She has about 20 of them.
I wish you had missed the part where the slut is barred from being around the kids. Sadly it just faded to black.
I don’t understand how a nurse that posts about how she sacrafices daily for others and posts bible quotes can reconcile being so nasty to the mother of her lover’s children. I pray that no one will film with her so she won’t be back for another season because she sends my BP through the roof.
Agreed. Hopefully current or possible future employers of Trashley are now aware of her disgusting behavior from Southern Charm. This should lead to her automatic dismissal as a nurse! Who in their right mind would want this mental case caring for loved ones? A frightening prospect😳
I love that necklace Kathryn is wearing with the green outfit in the beginning. Does anyone know where it came from? Don’t say Gwynn’s…..
Its Zara from a few years ago….Kate Middleton wore it and it sold out immediately!
FinLF, I want to know you, who are you to know these gowns? A mere 25+ years ago I would known this, kudos to you!
I knew someone would know! Thank you FinLF, but darn it I missed it. Oh well, I’m off to google anyway.
So when I google “zara necklace kate middleton” the necklace that comes up is the one Kathryn wore to the ball. I am actually talking about the one she wore with the green outfit, in the top picture of her above. Has anyone seen that one?
The one that looks like different colors of enamel?
Yes, that one.
You can dm Katherine to ask. I think that’s perhaps one of the few acceptable reasons to reach out to someone on a tv show.
Eh, I don’t want it that bad. A lot of times on these reality shows, I will see someone wear something I have seen in a store. Cameran wears a lot of Lilly Pulitzer, for example. I thought maybe someone had seen this in their shopping travels. I appreciate the suggestion, and I would message her if this was something I NEEDED. I’m not that bothered about this, though.
I m speechless about sooooo many things in this season finale!! Very disgusted by Jennifer Snowden – she is better than this to side w Trashley!! Trashley is a very deranged person who HAS TO GO…. I could never watch another season of her!!! I loved how Kathryn is growing and long god her to surpass Thomas …
jennifer Snow is DESPERATE for fame and attention and is a wanna be social climber she just isn’t that interesting
She certainly looked that way to me, and not very bright, though conniving. I am assuming it was JS who Ashley referred to on Instagram as the woman who tipped her off to take her nursing licence to the event. It looked pathetic anyway.
I think Ashley was hinting that Patricia tipped her off to bring the card. It seems to fit with her narrative that Patricia was trying to get her to troll Kathryn. At the reunion, doesn’t she allegedly try to blame Patricia for her horrible behavior? But I could be completely off base!!
Doubt that very much Gpop. That is not how Patricia operates. She would let someone fall on their face rather than get involved directly.
Didn’t she use to sell Real Estate? Maybe that is why she is afraid to make Thomas mad….something in my memory from previous seasons seem to go back to the Real Estate connection in C-town. Plus I think she really wished Thomas picked her to be his one and only. Old crush…..
Jennifer really betrayed Katherine regardless of what she said was true or not. I’m sure she’s not a completely abhorrent person but I’m definitely throwing her some side eye.
Yes she did. She did not have to testify to all she knew. She took sides that she probably cloaks in doing “what’s best for the children” when it is her dislike of Catherine. There are ways to testify truthfully w/o telling all you know.
Agreed, unless you’re going to speak to both sides of the matter, say things in such a way to keep it fair. As a friend, what she did, regardless of what the truth is.. was wrong. She could have handled that with katherine and her parents to get her the help she needs. But to take a side, in a situation where BOTH parents were to blame, is very calculated. Especially in a legal matter. I DO believe it has to do with jealousy and T-Rav choosing Katherine over Jen. Gross and despicable.
Did she know everything? I was in a situation once where I was friends with both people. One person was really good at hiding their crazy.
She knew all the tricks and was high up in DFCS and teaching others how to spot abuse. 🤦♀️
It really was a gaslighting situation. I am not naive and as soon as I caught on… I was the “ enemy “.
My loyalty to the kids never changed. My “ bug” is not 6 years old and is a college graduate at 17. Still close to our family and love her. Truly one of the most difficult situations in my life. Sometimes the asshole in the big house distracts you from the “ monster” inside.
I am not even going to call her a monster, an extremely charming, intelligent, manipulating pyscho.
Once there was a little light could see how I had been duped, forever will regret my role but I always had the kids back.
What a potentially terrible and painful thing for a woman who wants children to be unable to bear them herself – I wouldn’t wish it on my enemies. Thank God for adoption and in-vitro, etc. That said, I wish upon Ashley the gift of no children. She doesn’t deserve that joy in life – and babies deserve better than she could ever offer them. She is a very evil, sick and calculating person. Did you notice how she tried so hard to push Kathryn over the edge – saying that KCD wanting to hit her, and was aggressive and crazy. Ashley was trying her best to try to paint KCD in a light that would discredit Kathryn – I wonder where she learned to do that – Thomas, obviously. And Jennifer Snowden lost all credibility by her actions. I have little doubt that she went along with Thomas’ plan to strip KCD of her custody of her children. Jennifer is a stupid, and desperate girl in need of attention and approval and sold her friend down the river for her chance at fame. Go away Jennifer – I see who you really are.
Creampuff, agree with everything you just said. I never liked Jennifer who allegedly did not do right by KCD. If my children were taken from me – I would never get within 50 feet of her either. It seems that Jenn is team Thomas all the way,and I suspect may be jealous of Kathryn too because Thomas did not want her. Let’s face it – Thomas loses his train of thought the minute Kathryn walks in a room. And Ashley’s use of the Bible as a seeming cover for her nastiness is too much. My jaw dropped when Ashley threatened Kathryn with information she indicated she had gleaned somehow and the nasty, bullying look on Ashley’s face was chilling and scary. Clearly, this is Ashley’s modus operandi. Ashley looks like a witch and her IG photo of herself in nursing scrubs is upsetting. Naomi looked very sad when Craig arrived with his date. It was interesting seeing Carolyn Roheme at Pat’s table, and the reconciliation between Pat and Kathryn was nice to witness. Kathryn was entitled to 50% custody, at the very least. What I do not understand, is why she was not given full custody. What I also do not understand is why what seems like a Bravo site keeps posting stories about Ashley that are very positive saying “Ashley of Southern Charm” or words to that effect. I hope she does not return to the show because she should have one less reason to stay in Charleston and be anywhere near Kathryn’s precious children.
Clarification, Agree Creampuff with what you said about Ashley trying to push KCD over the edge and that Jenn should not be backing Ashley against KCD, but do not ill wish her. I hope she gets better one day – back in California.
I still think Jen Showdens’ kid is Thomas’ s he just looks too much like Saint.
Identical
Both of you are delusional. Kids are off limits. The
Well said Creampuff and Scottishwitch! Kathryn has shown such maturity and grown so much. Thomas should have never let Ashley speak to Kathryn that way, it was actually nice that she warned Thomas. I found it hilarious when Ashley told JenSnow that K goes to bed thinking of how Ashley is “winning”. If Jen had any awareness she would have stopped trying to hang or support her at that point. Jen likes to route for the underdog. And her siding with Thomas is unforgivable, one thing to betray K, but to help the man who she disliked, knowing his supposed drug and alcohol issues was an unforgivable complete betrayal.
Yes, yes and yes!
Aaargh! My reply was to Cream puff, but it ended up miles from there!
Her friend? Are you talking about the friend who, at last year’s reunion, had a cow because Thomas handed Jen a handkerchief? Or the friend who was so unmoved about the very serious health concerns of Jen’s baby that she practically yawned in her face? That self involved friend?
When you are subpoenaed for a deposition or to testify, you answer only the questions asked. If Kathryn’s lawyers didn’t ask her for any mitigating information, she can’t volunteer it.
HELP!
I’m far, far, away from my dvr!
Normally I can wait until I get home but I simply cannot wait until Tuesday night or Wednesday morning to watch this! I checked the bravo site and only previews are available right now. Does anyone know when they make the complete episode viewable?
I’m sooo tempted to read your recap TT but that’s out of my normal order and I swear I’m not OCD! I watched all these shows alone for so many years without any external feedback (save the occasional coworkers or friends that watch)…lately I don’t even bring up my HW/reality show addictions because I have TT and all you guys sipping at the tea with me!
Again, any guidance regarding how to watch this finale ASAP would be appreciated!
The Bravo app will have it posted in the morning!
Crap! Ok, going to wait to see this episode tomorrow, sometime…
Thanks for the feedback!!! I can’t express my love for TT’s site and her followers enough. What a sight!
Kipper, do you have Comcast at home? If so, you can download the xfinity app and stream it for free on a mobile device or laptop. Just a thought if Bravo doesn’t load it right away.
T, been looking forward to the show tonight and your recap! Thanks for posting so quickly.
You’re so right about Kathryn’s maturity. I was especially impressed when she warned Thomas about Ashley. She conveyed the message with such sincerity and concern that Thomas seemed a bit caught off guard, even frightened.
About the comment Jennifer made about Austen’s sister, I could be wrong (seriously, my husband talked and the dog had to go out, so I think I missed a few words), but I assumed Jennifer was talking about Austen’s younger sister, not the one that tragically passed. Austen understandably flipped out, but I think he would’ve caused an even bigger scene if Jennifer had referenced his late sister. And, as disappointed as I was in Jennifer’s choices tonight, I don’t think she would’ve stooped that low…at least, I hope not.
Long story but I won’t be home until next week. In the mean time I do have the Internet…thank you for your kind advice Engineer!
And yikes! had to stop reading the rest of your comment because I CANNOT HARDLY WAIT to see this episode
Kipper, Doing jail time ha ha just teasing!
It felt like jail! Finally watched last night, now I’m catching up on comments yay!
I also assumed Snowden was talking about Austen’s sister Katie, not the one who died as a child.
comment from Jennifer about Austen’s sister just shows me how much she is truly like Thomas. So yea I see her betraying Kathryn in every way.
People do go there, someone made a crude remark about my late son, all I could do is give them my look and walk away. I did not give them the benefit of my grief.
You are more even tempered than I am. Ppl can be evil cruel
You can also buy the episode or a whole season on Amazon, it’s usually available a few hours after a show airs.
Thank you JustJenn, DanniG, Engineer and everyone who had suggestions for me! Luv you all and TT’s forum! What a group of amazing, insightful, helpful and…tea hee, opinionated folks!
I have very recently had to start medications for insanity high blood pressure, doctor feared I would stroke out in her office. Anyways as the ball went on my blood pressure was rising and I was getting anxious about the showdown. Ashley really is crazy unstable and Kathryn did so well. I was literally shaking! Jennifer Snowden revealed herself several years ago and she cannot redeem herself, not in my eyes.
I know what you mean, when Ashley was talking, I thought it was the worst craziness I’d ever seen and I was fearful that Kathryn would get sucked up in it. Jennifer crossed a line and sided with Thomas, you got the boys club and then the girls who side with the powerful boys. I love the other women on this cast who stand up to the boys!
@therealdeb Hope you are better soon!
Thank you, I’m back in safe levels and am on a combo of meds that is working well.
Kathryn did an amazing job holding back from breaking Ashley’s fucking jaw. I’m sorry but at that point I would have removed my gloves and took out my earrings. I hope Ashley likes warm weather – that Bitch is going to Hell.
take ALL my LIKES.
TAKE. THEM.
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The most succinct response I’ve ever seen!
Sounds like we roll the same way. Lol taking your earrings off.
Shep’s impression of Thomas being outraged over the concept of giving 50k to Ashley…i almost died. Funniest moment of the episode. Ashley’s spot in hell gets hotter each time she mentions God or saying prayers. I didn’t think i could hate her any more but wow. Murder city. Snowden pissed me off but i like to think that after watching the show she is embarrassed and ashamed that she blindly sided with Ashley.
I agree about Jennifer. She was mad that Austen was going around calling Ashley a escort, which she thought was terrible not knowing the whole situation. What she tried to convey to Austen on how he’d feel if someone was talking about his sister like that. She was hired last minute just to keep the show plot moving. As far as depositions go, you can only answer what you are questioned and can’t elaborate. Jennifer was put in a tough spot and Kathryn knew it.
Let’s see Thomas and Ashley sail off into the sunset.
True, but Kathryn’s lawyers could have questioned her. I’d love to hear the story on that.
Kathryn’s lawyers did question Jennifer. Not Jennifer’s fault she was deposed and she wasn’t the only one called.
naw she’s not embarrassed. She’s already shown us Who she Is. she is Not kind
she is Not smart and she is Not important!
TT I teared up too during the Patricia and Kathryn talk. Kathryn seemed a bit nervous but mature and polite.
Super confused why Jennifer S was MIA all season then was brought in to pretty much stand next to T-Rav and trashley. Maybe some money was thrown her way like with the testimony (allegedly)?
Wish they gave updates on other members but it definitely was the Kathryn show this season. Can’t wait for reunion.
Also as much as I love Craig, the way everyone else treats him on this show I almost wish he would choose to leave.
I didn’t notice that the other cast members weren’t given an update but you’re correct, it’s all about Kathryn this season. She did an amazing job of turning her life around.
You cannot make this shit up. It’s crazier than table flipping, crazier than the Bezerkshires, crazier than Ramonas eyes. Mind blowing. I cannot absorb what I just watched.
snowden – who looks like she aged 30 years- should shut her mouth about austin’s sister.
ADDENDUM: i almost cried when Patricia and K chatted ..
Snowden can suck it.
Shep loves KATHRYN !!!
I’ve thought the same of Shep, he just doesn’t know it yet.
I’ll admit that I haven’t been an avid watcher but now I’m sucked in. Why do people kiss Patricia’s ass?
I have always asked myself that same question, but I’d never really looked into her background. Until I did, I had no idea what a prestigious history she has and how well she is thought of in philanthropic circles. Quite frankly I was amazed. I’d always looked upon her as someone who was pretentious, pompous and extremely judgmental, and I still think that way, but there is a lot about her to admire. Plus, she looks amazingly good for someone who’ll be 80 in three years. I can’t stand her butler and think he should be ashamed at himself for groveling in front of her like he does, but I guess that’s what he’s paid for.
I’m thinking the same thing 😂
Why? The big pussy was standing there slut shaming a woman, JS just pointed out he wouldn’t like that done to his sister.
If ever a slut deserved to be shamed it is this one. All sluts are not created equally. Even your idol has shunned her at this point. As far as I know, Austen’s sister is NOT a despicable piece of shit.
Why was that douche J.D. dressed like an Italian Tenor? ugh.
lmfao
I laughed my ass off when JD entered the room in thst riduculous coat. It looked dirty to me.
Reminded me of the scene in Trading Places when Dan Aykroyd was on the bus eating a stolen salmon that was hidden in his dirty Santa costume. 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah that coat looked like it came out of my depression-era grandfather’s closet that smells of moth balls!
More like a pimp IMO.
Yes! And his vest went to his thighs! Gross.
And completely off the rails high…
He looks like an over grown frat boy as usual. Shmuck. Elizabeth looked HOT. Gorgeous. Rocking that dress. Telling him this is what stress does to you. Fucking gorgeous. Loved it. Go away little man.
Katherine was perfection tonight.
Watching tonight’s episode was like watching a slow moving train wreck. Patricia and Kathryn’s conversation was really great to see. You could see Patricia was genuinely impressed with how much Kathryn has grown and matured.
I notice every time Shep speaks to Kathryn his eyes just light up. I honestly believe he may really be in love with her, but is to emotionally immature to admit or handle a real relationship with her.
The conversations between Ashley and Jennifer just prove that Kathryn was telling the truth that Jennifer was never a true friend to her. Jennifer seems very fame and attention hungry.
Ashley came across as a certifiably insane individual this episode. She needs serious mental help. It’s terrifying to think she is actually a nurse.
Watching Ashley trying to lure Katherine into losing her composure was really disturbing. I’m glad Kathryn kept it together and that she warned Thomas to watch his back. Ashley looks like the kind of person who could truly snap and hurt someone. I am thrilled to see that Kathryn finally had regained 50/50 custody because she had more than proven she is a wonderful mother and a stable adult.
I have got to admit I teared up when Kathryn and Patrica were talking to others after they talked. It was so sweet hearing them honestly say nice things about each other!
The scene with Trashley at the end…she is just a vile person. Im pretty sure she only had her license so she could use it to chop some pasta.
But my favorite part of the whole episode was the very end. I LOVED how it was just about Kathryn and how well she is doing. She has been shit on for the past 5 years and sometimes deservedly but she has come a long way and it was awesome to see the producers support her. She is going to be a great mom to those kids and probably end up being a pillar of society eventually (if that still exists lol).
Probably one of the best episodes ever.
Chop the pasta.,. LMAO!
Ashley is a very insecure, uptight….liar! She threatens to close the conversation down! She does that only to hide behind her bullshit!
TT your link goes to the wrong post. This one has the juicy new comments. http://tamaratattles.com/2017/06/18/its-southern-charm-reunion-filming-time/#comments
Someone needs to send that link to Cameron. I just watched the after show interview where she says she doesn’t believe that Ashley is a prostitute.
I had not discovered TT when that post came out. Very worth going to the link.. Thanks.
Thank you TT for your blog! I’m a long time lurker but the evil that is Ashley has driven me out of hiding. Plus I have social anxiety and even commenting online gives me the jitters. Anyway, I have so many thoughts after watching tonight!
First, Craig is kind of a loser but he is very likable. I watching Naomi and Craig is like watching her kick a puppy.
Second, regarding Jennifer Snowden, I never liked her. I’m sure she told the truth regarding Kathryn (apologies if my autocorrect changes it to Katherine but that’s my daughter’s name and the phone assumes I’m typing her name). But I agree she probably didn’t out Thomas’s skeletons. Also, being cynical by nature, I think Thomas set up the friendship between them specifically to get the dirt on Kathryn and gain a favorable witness for a custody fight. He and Snowden were pulling the long con.
Third, I cannot stop seeing Thomas’s facial reaction when Ashley walked up to him and Kathryn. It was like an “Oh sh$t is that her? Don’t move and maybe she won’t see me” face. Fight, flight, or freeze and Thomas chooses to freeze like a deer in the headlights when Ashley’s crazy is showing. I kept thinking “blink twice if you are being held against your will”. But then I remembered the allegations and thought “meh, who cares!”.
There is so much more I want to comment on but this post is long enough. I’ll post more when I work up more courage!
I hope you work up more courage to post again. I enjoyed your post —especially the Thomas freeze face comments.
Yes, great comment!! ♥
Gpop – agree with what you said. I too noticed Thomas’s face as Ashley walked up. That was the face of someone very afraid; the face of the abused and threatened. Not that he’s an innocent in this, but he just may have gotten himself in over his head with this one. Birds of a feather… Kind of serves him right.
She made me come out of hiding too. It’ll get easier 😊
Fucking SUCCUBUS Ashley needs to go back through the gates of Hell from whence she came. STAT.
Agree with TT about K. Cooper Ray. Parts of Pat’s ball decor were more high school prom theme (a ritzy high school) than Winter Wonderland. Those white roses in those cheap-looking vases (maybe they were better in real life) were sad.
I think Jennifer Snowden and her ice skater ball gown were right to stand up for Ashley. Our society is so all over the place… it’s not OK to offend minority groups but it’s OK to accuse someone publicly at a white tie event of being an escort. Everyone is writing comments like, “Whore”, “Hooker” etc and the show was titled, ‘Ho Ho Ho Ho’ but yet we all claim to be part of the #metoo movement. If you were truly a feminist, you would allow people to do what they want with their body, with whom they want behind closed doors, and as far as I know, escorting is legal.
There are so many women that go into prostitution because they are socially disadvantaged or come from troubled backgrounds – imagine how they feel watching this. It’s a minority group that is shamed and treated in the worst way. In the bible, Jesus says, when Mary Magdoline is about to be stoned for being a prostitute, that whoever is free of sin should throw the first stone. When you comment on someone being a “whore” or a “hooker” or make jokes and mock someone for their past, you are casting a stone.
As mostly females commenting on here, I would have thought we would be a little bit more for women. Nobody is throwing half the amount of judgment at Trav for his alleged payment of escorts. The men that fund prostitution are never blamed for it or given names.
I think JSnow was basically saying, you’ve gone too far and it’s an accusation that is pretty serious to be making against someone. I don’t think it’s right to drag someone’s name and reputation through the mud, and I don’t think that mud should exist – as women we should know better and stand up for one another. We should not be delighting in someone who might be disowned by their family for being an escort. These rumours are so sad and I imagine that Ashley Jacobs is very troubled, it really doesn’t surprise me if she was struggling in her usual career.
Having said all of this, I am team Kathryn, not team Ashley. I think it is so bloody sad how T ray is smirking and taking such delight in two women arguing. He has clearly found a loose canon to use against Kathryn.
Hoping the next season stays away from name calling women and taking advantage of people with drug and mental health issues. It is such a great show with great characters but I feel so guilty for watching sometimes…
Very well said. Women are their own worst enemies and then wonder why things don’t change.
Looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it is probably a duck, or in Ashley’s case an escort. Sorry not sorry.
I have spoken out against Thomas often. He is the real problem here as far as I am concerned. If Ashley wants to earn her living that way that is her business. What I take issue with is HER tearing down of a young single mother who is trying to turn her life around and make something of herself. It is HER coming for the guys left and right when the one she is with doesn’t work out, It is HER attempting to win a spot on a television show by destroying another woman. If anyone needs to be reminded that women need to support one another it is the woman you are defending and not the posters here.
Absolutely agree, sundayhare3!! You nailed it.
I think Leece is on a soapbox and not seeing most people would not care who Ashley is with or how she earns her money.
But her general behavior to others is appalling, and to Kathryn she is cruel, threatening and vile. These are the actions of a woman who feels Kathryn is a threat TO HER INCOME. .
As a believer in equality, I think it is ridiculous to give women a pass on inexcusable behavior.Ashley is simply an awful person.
Ashley was never a weeping orphan lured into a brothel, with the promise of a roof and a meal. There are real women who have lived this, comparing them to that vicous viper is an insult. She has shown us a material girl who lacks empathy or compassion. Was she trying to drive Kathryn out from the sobriety she has mantained?
Yes this. I didn’t feel like explaining to the feminist Ashley sympathizer bemoaning woman daring to attack her when she fails to see the reason that Ashley is universally despised is because she attacked one woman on a TV show repeatedly and has been harrassing another total stranger on social media and posting her personal information and contacting her job. We are all well within our rights to call our her incredibly hostile behavior toward other women.
I totally agree that Ashley’s behaviour is disgraceful. Like I said I’m team KD fan. As a Mother I could not believe how hurtful and malicious those comments were. KD is truly an inspiration and she’s just so strong and indomitable. There is something extremely special about KD that few women have…..
I think my comments were mainly about the episode and some of the comments and name calling about Ashley’s escort work. I know someone close that has had their life completely overturned by working in that industry and it upset me to see it play out on tv and the hate and degradation that people throw at women in that work. Men however seem to not be name called for supporting a degrading industry that ruins the lives of young women.
Ashley clearly seems to get enjoyment and feel no remorse for being horrible to KD. My comments weren’t about protecting her or her character..
There is your problem. You are taking the harsh criticism of Ashley and applying it to your friend, all escorts and women in general. That’s simply ridiculous;
It is the role Thomas assigned to Ashley. He wants Catherine to lose it, get drunk in public and fight with Ashley. It is what he needs to look good in court.
It what he needs for his ego.
^^^^ THIS
I agree. I don’t care who or what she hooks up with. My problem with her is the way she has all this HATRED for someone she doesn’t even know. The woman is crazy and dangerous and there are 2 children involved.
HI Ashley
Thanks for this reminder. As much fun as it is to snark on these people, it’s not right. I have seen proof that she has a lot of issues with my own eyes. She talks about men in her life. That doesn’t doesn’t make her an escort any more than the rest of us are escorts. I also don’t see proof that she is on drugs nor do I wish that any woman be barren. I have been guilty.
That said, she is not a woman that I can support. Her actions are reprehensible.
Leece, not to detract from your point, but Mary Magdalene was not the woman in the stone casting story found in Chapter 8 of the Book of John. The woman who was about to be stoned had been caught committing adultery. Mary Magdalene was a different woman. She was a follower and financial supporter of Jesus’ ministry. She is believed to have been the first witness to the empty tomb.
Oh my, I love it 😀
It is not that we all are against the women in here, or we don’t embrace the women or that we are what is wrong with this world and we damage metoo movement. Thanks for implying!
If Ashley stops her behavior for a second, and allow us to breathe from the nastiness, we all will have nothing but compassion, which every truly ill person deserves. Some would probably even donate to her “get well fund”!
Its defensive mechanism for every normal person to despise the shit that Ashley is. And no one has to feel sorry for that. I don’t!
This was lovely.
Oh please! Ashley is a nasty POS who has the education to get a job as a nurse. Nurse money isn’t enough for her though. She wants millions. This isn’t some woman that has to feed her kids with no other means. She’s a disgusting person.
Nobody likes Jennifer…they feel sorry for her.
Ashley kept calling Katherine “Baby Momma”.
At least she has that.
Ashley has nothing.
Charmer that’s exactly what I thought. Ashley is so unintelligent she didn’t even realise while she was searching her pitiful little brain for an insult that all she was ding was shining a big ole massive laser beam on the fact that she herself has nothing at all by comparison. I was waiting for KD to jump on that it would have been awesome!
So true..I can’t remember if it was an article or a bravo after show clip I saw that Kathryn called Ashley a simpleton. OMG, it was priceless. I think she even said the “egg donor” comment was not something she could have come up with on her own. I so love Kathryn.
Austen has a younger sister that is living :-). She has been on a few episodes. I love Jennifer Snowden. I don’t think she really knew a lot of the backstory before engaging in it. Austen was out of line in the way he talked to Jennifer (that is my
Opinion).
He was out of line. Whats with him running to Thomas or anyone with gossip. This event was not the right time or place. As Dorina would say “talk to me separately “. Thomas does know more about her than Austen does. Jennifer was right to try to nip it in the bud and the way to put a subject in perspective. What would you think if this was said about your sister or girlfriend, etc.
Jennifer did say that production sat her next to Ashley and she wishes she hadn’t gone. We have seen her stir the shit but I didn’t see her really saying anything. Just as in the deposition, she was put in a bad position. A lawyer never says, tell us what you think. The questions are to bring out information to suppirt your side.
Well, my rule is that I don’t take sides when I don’t know the backstory (in real life, not while watching reality tv). Read this, Jen, and learn from the wise old man! .
I agree with the comment about TRav’s face when Kathryn told him “if she threatens me, she’ll threaten you.” It really freaked me out when Ashley was provoking Kathryn. As the saying goes, cream rises to the top. Kathryn and Patricia’s conversation was very cool. I thought Patricia was going to be snotty to her, but I was pleasantly surprised. I do believe Patricia h
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I do believe Patricia has a new respect for Kathryn.
Naomie’s comment to Craig was so unnecessary and cruel.
I liked Cameron before this episode, now not so much.
I giggled when, at the end, they showed Kathryn and TRav dancing! That must’ve really pissed Ashley off. Can’t wait for the reunion!
It seems as if Chelsea has taken Cameran’s “sweet down to earth” girl role. If I may say I enjoyed her presence far more! Cameran has definitely played the part of mean girl this season. Even though she was notably absent for a joyous reason, she came off as Whitney’s assistant in stirring the cauldron.
I’ve wondered from episode one when Patricia would use her power for good. She’s in the position to really assist these young women.
Finally she has and it’s admirable, Thank You Patricia for the support of Catherine.
Oops Katherine U don’t know why “C” comes up.
Damn, girl! You’ve outdone yourself with this one. Hilariously well written. I am so impressed with Kathryn. I always knew she had it in her and I never gave up on her. She deserves the very best and by the looks of it, it’s already happening. Opportunities are coming to her finally. I pray that she remain strong and she stays surrounded by a good support group. What can you say about the rest that wasn’t already said above? I’m bummed out by Jennifer Snowden. She seemed like such a shit stirrer at the ball and like she was trying to make Kathryn uncomfortable, too, by coming and sitting at the table when Patricia and Kathryn were reconnecting. That was in such poor taste. I was so touched by Kathryn and Patricia mending things. Kathryn was very mature despite being nervous and she was totally herself – genuine, slightly clumsy, but honest and charming. I think I might have forgiven ol’ Pat enough with this to excuse her past behavior… at least for now.
Kathryn excused herself from Patricia’s table so graciously. I am completely in love with Kathryn and her growth? Just wonderful watching her!
Did anyone else think Ashley looked miserable last night? Also, the look on her face when she opened her gift from Thomas was priceless! You could see the disappointment all over it. I’m sorry, but I enjoyed her misery immensely.
And what an ugly locket. Yuck. She probably keeps some of his pubes in it.
Oh my…too funny 😂😂😂!
=)
Very funny ZZZ! But so true. It was fugly.
Thank you for the visual! Damn you! 😀
About the locket–I couldn’t make out the initials, but if they were Ashley’s three initials, wouldn’t she have realized that Thomas wouldn’t be proposing to change the last initial any time soon?
Omg – I never thought of that! Kind of a passive aggressive gift!
Very good point Engineer!
Never thought I’d say this, but Kathryn has really impressed me this season with her maturity and strength!
This was a tough episode for me to watch. Ashley (the “polo strumpet”–TT love that and it’s so appropriate given Patricia calling Kathryn a strumpet!) is so horrible and behaves so badly. And Thomas does nothing. To know that they are still together is infuriating. Will they ever get what they deserve? Is Thomas just clinging to her because everyone else has deserted him? ugh
Kathryn was shining last night. Her comment re JSnowden was so mature — “she deserves nothing from me.” Her ability not to get physically violent with Ashley was commendable. And her kindness toward Thomas in the face of his failure to stop Ashley was very generous.
I know that Ashley gets trashed at the reunion, but that is not enough punishment. She deserves way more. I wish I believed in karma.
I think ole trav is scared out of his mind by Ashley Something is going on there that we don’t know about. He is Not the kind of person to take this kind of behavior especially in public. He’s all about his place in society such as it is in his mind 😏
Hats off to Kathryn, BIGTIME, for keeping her composure because I was literally salivating with rage wanting to crack that nasty little bitch in her smug face and it wasn’t even myself or my kids she was insulting.
I do not know how Kathryn resisted, but that was fking impressive. That woman ENRAGES ME, she’s so snotty, smug, delusional and vicious.
Die in a fire, indeed.
Oh! It has to be said, good God Pat’s dress was ugly. What was she thinking?
It looked like a John Deere themed sack…
HAHa – all she needed was the hat!
OMG, I said that she looked like a JD tractor.
I think I have seen it before. Perhaps she wears it to match the emeralds ?
I know! Yellow to a winter ball?
I actually liked the overall soft, sunny color of Patricia’s dress and the beading at the neckline. I did not like the green fringing – though it would have looked OK to me if in the main color or even the color of the beading. I needed to remember she is much older than all the other women there who were successfully showing decolletage – she worked with what she has. Patricia looked great seated at the table where I could not really see the green.
I loved the top of Kathryn’s dress and she looks great in black. But I thought the leg splits looked poor when she was sitting down. It made her thighs look larger than they probably are. Black was also a wise choice, given her bi-colored hair back then.
Did not mind Ashley’s dress – but her mostly mean, twisted facial expressions would have ruined any dress. Her face does not radiate the sincerity and straightforwardness that Kathryn’s does.
So, when Kathryn said If she threatens me, she will threaten you….Did anyone feel like Thomas looked like Oh, she already has, why do you think I am still with her?
Exactly. Thomas might be protecting Kathryn and the kids too.
Nice thought, right? But if his past is any indication Thomas is only protecting himself, and throwing whoever he can under the bus.
I doubt Thomas would want Kathryn and the kids hurt. How many times has she been called a “bunny boiler” on this site. He was stupid to move her to Charleston without really knowing her.
Yup saw that
I think Cameran’s advice to Craig is out of concern. She likes him and wants the best for him. This is a man with an advanced education in a field he claims as his passion. Why is he sitting home making 2D pillows? Anyone can make an unstuffed pillow, there were no zippers, no piping, just a flat seam. The bolster was his most complicated effort and the end was eased in badly. If sewing were his passion by now he would have advanced it’s possible that he is depressed. Craig should go back to his life coach and work out the lying thing. He seems to want status. He could easily be a Superstar.
I really hope for the best for Kathryn. The 50/50 arrangement might be best for her for a short time. It will let her ease back into full time motherhood. Being a full time mother isn’t easy. Just recently she disappeared for a week. No matter the reason all of that needs to settle gracefully as she becomes a full time mom. With Thomas the weasel as a father, she may have full time custody faster than you think.
At points in the argument with Kathryn and Ashley, I felt Ashley was playing to the cameras. She went so far overboard. I don’t know if she is certifiable or that incredibly evil but she needs a psychiatrist PDQ. I honestly can’t comment on how really bad that was Thomas is suspiciously absent when these arguments escalate. I think he is behind it. He knows how Ashley goes off the rails. He feeds her the information without regard for truth then sends his pit bull out to do her worst. He then shows up at the end to be the hero. I call bullshit.
If Craig still hasn’t been given the green light from the State Bar re: his character/fitness evaluation, the clip of him telling his Life Coach that he has always been a great liar isn’t going to help.
That may be true but there are a huge number of lawyers who can say “lying comes naturally”. 😂
I’m an convinced Ashley has Borderline Personality Disorder, which is actually a very serious and dangerous mental illness. She will never break up with Thomas and will hand on for dear life. If he does “send her away” she will stalk him in various ways and continue to go after Katheyn. Her dress up as a nurse is all for appearances , you bet she is not working and probably has a history of not being able to hold down a job, calling in sick, saying she is abused at work etc. Thomas gets everything he deserves in this one!
Ashley is a straight up malignant -narcissist. She has no empathy, always feels entitled, always needs the spotlight, and uses people for her benefit. She’s nasty. Imagine having her as your nurse??baby
He surely picked a winner didn’t he?
When Ashley is going off on Kathryn calling her nothing but an egg donor, Kathryn looks to Thomas for some sort of defense and he just stares and stays silent. Time and again. The look on his face baffles me. Like WTF is wrong with him. I don’t understand how he continues to let this person speak to Kathryn the way she does. I understand she may hold info/video to hold over his head. But, can someone explain this look on his face. He seems feeble, and so weak. Its almost sad. Doesn’t he see this? He keeps saying he wants someone to be a partner in life, as if that is why he is allowing this relationship chance hope. It is just dismal to stay in a relationship based on some sliver of hope…like we have to give it a chance because…because what?
My daughter said, “what is thomas hired ashley to push Kathryn over the edge so she would not get joint custody?” And then, my head exploded. But then I thought, surely, he is not that bright? The look on Kathryn’s face when ashley tells her “You’re not a family” it’s like that Simpsons episode where Bart freezes the tape and says you can actually see the moment where Ralph’s heart breaks” ouch. I wanted to kill trav for sashaying away with that lunatic. What even dude?
I think with the allegations and all that has happened this year on the show he is realizing the gig is up. He knows he has been exposed and their may be proof of more to come. He does look whipped and if all this is true I am sorry that his entitled life has blinded him to consequences. He is a sad man who may have just lost it all. That’s what he looks like to me.
He can’t defend anyone because he can’t even defend himself. He is a man who has been used to bullying and manipulating people and situations all his life. He said himself he has the power, title and the money..he thought that would always save him. He is swimming in the deep end now.
Yes, he’s scared.
Oh my gosh! I’ve been reading through all of the comments hoping that SOMEONE would talk about TRav’s face! He just stood there and let that biatch abuse Katherine with her insults. I laughed every time his bottom jaw just dropped, with no words to defend the mother of his children. He is so pathetic. I hope he is terrified. He deserves everything he gets. Still can’t believe he kept Katherine and Kensie in the basement for a year. WTF?
Oh, and PS Thanks TT for the great recap!!
The basement thing sounds exactly like what the master of the house would do if he got a servant girl pregnant. Or a house slave pre civil war. So very, very telling about Thomas’s character and how he views women in general, and Kathryn specifically. I’m very glad they’re not together anymore, and am not wishing for that particular form of “happy ending,” in this case, as he is just absolutely so Old Boy’s Club to the point where he’s sometimes criminal in his objectification and horrific treatment of women. I keep thinking about how young Kathryn was because it means that she’s from a completely different generation than Thomas. A generation of women who have grown up knowing that men and women are equal, who have been told since day one that they can be anything, who have not been expecting to be judged by who they marry or how many people they sleep with, because this generation is so much more liberal socially and politically and seems to have such a strong sense of empathy. And then to get with a man who absolutely personified the opposite of everything you believe, who shamed you and hangs out with people who shame you for being a slut or an unwed mother, who keeps you in a basement bc he’s embarrassed of you on the campaign trail and basically looks at you as a mistress that he has to hide. That all must’ve been so hard to deal with. Her world view must’ve been turned upside down. And because she’s young and bc she’s Kathryn she has a fierce sense of the injustice of it all. She doesn’t think “well I AM a slutty woman of ill repute who got ‘in a family way’ before marriage and so I really do deserve this.” If Thomas had gotten a woman pregnant back in his 20s, 40 or so years ago, he would’ve had a much easier time keeping her in the basement and convincing her that she deserved it because she was shameful. This is just another problem of continuing to date young women—their worldview is changing and becoming more and more progressive with each year, they expect respect, empathy, and refuse to be shamed. If he wants to keep playing plantation master, he should really date a woman in her 70s or 80s who he will have a much less difficult time controlling and who will be willing to hide in the basement all day, waiting for him, and cooking him dinner and not speaking unless spoken to.
I am chomping at the bit to see the reunion. My DVR doesn’t have anything in the queue…what gives Bravo?
Thank you…I just posted above that I can never find it!
I’ve been staking my DirecTv!
I just watched an after show talking about where the “rumor” of escort / polo girl Ashley started. They are dancing around it and feigning believability of the fact….hmmm, maybe they don’t want to get sued. I mean isn’t it a FACT?
The Bravo website says the reunion begins on Thursday July 19th at 9pm.
I read that Ashley only had her RN license for one year in California. Before that she was an LVN and probably not making very much money. She has graduated from a local community college with and AA in Nursing Allegedly.
I am an RN who graduated with an AS in nursing science. And i am proud of that and also went to a Community college. I am a straight from welfare to Registered Nurse. RN’s from Community Colleges are just as good as ones from fancy schools.
Also LVN’s make a decent living.
My degrees from community colleges were much more difficult to attain, than my work at private colleges. My dad and daughter teach/ taught at community colleges, where they poured their lives into their students’ work.
How would you know an A.S. in nursing is as good as BSN? You haven’t been thru a BSN program. I have a diploma, BSN, and a graduate degree in nursing. Please don’t give your opinion about something you have not experieced.
Kelnlola everything you said is correct. But Ashley wasn’t making Revenel money as an LVN…
She was at those polo matches at the very least husband hunting, and I don’t think she’s going to let go of Thomas with a nasty fight.
Being an LVN in Santa Barbara area ( one of the most expensive areas of California) being that a lot of celebrities and very wealthy live there would be very difficult on an LVN salary unless they had help or a roommate.. I am an RN I understand. .
What does LVN stand for? I have heard of LPN. Nurses of all stations deserve high praise.
You think it’s harder? Why is that? I don’t think that community colleges are harder. I worked my ass off in a State University and an additional 2 yrs at a Private College for my masters. It was not what I would call easy. I am proud of anyone who has furthered their education.
Regardless of where you are educated, what matters is how you apply that education in your career and your life.
Licensed Vocational nurse
Thank you
So many nurses here! Thank you for all you do to ease suffering and heal 🙂
I was fortunate to grow up with one set of grandparents living with us. My grandmother graduated nursing school 100 years ago this year. In those days, nurses often were trained in and graduated out of hospitals, not colleges. I learned from a young age to respect and appreciate the profession. My grandfather had been given 6 months to live, and he survived an additional 19 years, due in no small part to my grandmother’s daily care.
part one is airing 7 / 19 / 18 part 2 is airing 7 / 26 / 18
Another great recap TT!! Has anyone seen the clips on the bravo app cast tell what they thought of Ashley in the clips on the bravo app?! If you hate her now, it will take it to a whole new level. She truly feels justified in her comments to Kathryn. It is beyond disgusting.
I saw them ans I am, indeed, disgusted!!!
I just looked at Jennifer Snowden’s IG. She turned her commenting off.
I agree with everything but the idea that Cameran telling Craig to clean his house and behave like an adult its not cruel. One day this show will be over and the dude will have nothing. Its nothing that a family member or a good friend shouldn’t be telling him at this point.
You really seem to buy into to the whole “pitiful Craig” storyline. Craig is investing his Southern Charm money in real estate. He’s living in a house he is flipping. Craig is doing just fine and enjoying his life. He also has hobbies in sewing and gardening. He has a full life unlike most of the people on this show.
I think the mess in his house is staged on purpose.
Agree. I see Craig as a real estate attorney down the road.
This is exactly what I have been saying for the past 2 years! Why is everyone bothering Craig? He is getting a nice paycheck from the show (and has been for years), which probably rivals most people his age. And weren’t he and Naomie house shopping together last season? Whether they went through with it or not, you need money (and usually stable employment if seeking a mortgage) to do that. Plus, he is young, with advanced degrees, skills, a brain, etc. If the show were to end tomorrow, he’d get another job without difficulty. Craig is fine, and this is clearly just a storyline more for Cameron then for Craig.
I know plenty of people who graduated law school and don’t want anything to do with the law and don’t work in any sort of related field. I also know someone who was arrested for something like fighting and still passed the character test, so also not buying that Craig can’t/won’t pass the character test either.
I have a JD and was admitted to two state bars. If there are a couple blips on the character part of your application, they really really only seem to want you to fully disclose whatever happened.
So I love the show, but Craig is the only one in that pack of freaks whom I would date. He is cute, and I love the gardening and sewing. And Gizmo!
Yes, this is what the person I know told me (actually, someone I was dating) – that he was going to go before the Board and just explain exactly what happened (good, bad, and ugly) and emphasize that he was very young and misguided and wouldn’t engage in such behavior again. He’s been a lawyer for about 10 years now.
And same here, Craig is the only one who seems normal and functional to me – he is, by far, the only one I would date. I think he’d make a great husband. And I know because I’ve been through my share of crazies (see guy described above) and have learned my lesson (lol kidding, he wasn’t that bad).
I don’t know that a guy who brags about what a great liar he is and how it comes naturally to him would make such great husband material though lol
I was on board with him attempting to better himself or at least address whatever issues he had with the life coach, not for Naomie, but for himself, but he bailed the minute it got uncomfortable. He was fine talking about how great he was but when she asked him to confront his negative behaviors he didn’t even do her the respect of calling and saying he didn’t want to continue, he just dodged her calls.
that’s some bullshit to me. Grow up. I have no issue with how he makes his money, that’s his business, if he doesn’t want to be a lawyer that’s fine, he just has a very expensive degree he won’t use. But living in a total mess in a house full of half assed/half finished renovations and being unable to even address your own problems or make goals to stick to, plus the lying, would seriously concern me.
he’s not a bad guy, but that would not be what i’d like in a partner. Maybe he’ll be a late bloomer and find real purpose in a few years and it’ll all come together 😉
Yay, Tamara! Exactly! He tried to explain that to Naomie, but she didn’t want to hear it. He’s a gentle soul and marches to his own drummer. There’s nothing wrong with that. I also believe he might have ADD, as I do, in which case he would tend to be happier with a variety of things to choose from, rather than being stuck doing the same thing all day long. When he’s doing something he enjoys, he gives it his all. I thought Naomie treated him rudely and horribly when he went up to her table and asked to speak with her. She could have said ‘no’ – she didn’t have to be a thoughtless bitch. Whether she was right or wrong about his character, she chose him, and she also chose when to leave. They weren’t well suited. Get over it and stop being such a spiteful shrew. Even if Craig did tell her he thought she had been right about him, that didn’t give her the right to belittle him at every turn.
I also think that poor Craig has been clinically depressed in the wake of his relationship with Naomi which is also impacting on his inability to cope with mess & his seeming inertia. He’s a sensitive person & I agree with TT the others just don’t get him. I hate that Naomi was sooo rude to him.
He broke my heart when he said how beautiful she looked and how she always does. Then his face when she shut him down. She was so very nasty. It was obvious he brought a date to make her jealous and obvious that she was jealous.
It also wasn’t nice of him to pretend he might ask her to the ball then suggest doing so would indicate they were on the path to getting back together when he knew damn well he already had a date and was lying about it.
Granted she can be really nasty, 100%, and I cringed when she shut him down at the table, but I don’t think she took well to his lies (which it seems happened pretty frequently). They were a bad match that brought out the worst in each other. they are clearly toxically attracted to each other, hence the jealousy, but they definitely do not work.
Does anyone know why Naomi is so awful to Craig? She says horrible things to him, yet seems jealous at the same time.
Tamara just wanted to say how proud I am of you!! You are killing it and have come so far without compromising your standards. Truly impressed. I really wish you had known that last week was a “down” week so you could have gotten a break. Thank you for everything you do-you’re a good chick. Your blog is the best it really is.
Agree enthusiastically with you Nancy!!!! TT is the absolute best. I love that every comment here doesn’t begin with stupid nicknames. It’s weird for adults to be calling adults kindergarten names.
I like that TT upholds the standards of true journalism, not tabloid sensationalism. People who say she wasn’t the first with some stories do not realize that she often is the first with CREDIBLE SOURCES and VERIFIABLE proof. And if they go back in the archives of those shit sites, they would see that often “scoops” were rumors that never came to fruition. For how many years did the tabloid headlines say “Brad and Angie call it quits” before they really did split? Like the old Give a Monkey a Typewriter theorem.
Sorry, but not a Craig fan. He’s drifting and Camerans advice was spot on. She’s had several similar talks with Shepard over the years.
The pillows were ok as gifts, but otherwise pathetic. I’m fine with his sewing as a hobby, but he has no ambition and doesn’t commit to anything. Please tell me he wasn’t sweeping cat poo in that mess of a house.
Craig has been on this show since the beginning and at this point is more than likely getting a nice paycheck from the network. A housekeeper can come in and fix that place in 3 hours, it will take much more than than to fix the substance issues that many people on the cast seem to have (a few of them drink beyond the point of healthy and that is just based on what we actually get to see). He was in a relationship for a long while and doesn’t seem to bed-hop. Not judging bed-hoppers or bachelors, but how is what Craig is doing commitment-averse?
We’ve never seen Craig in a relationship with anyone but Naomi and in that relationship he lied a lot. That might not be a deal breaker for some but it would be for me.
I really hope that he’s more honest with his new girlfriend. She seems to have plenty of money for traveling to exotic places and I don’t think she will put up with the lying as long as Naomi did.
do tell. What did Craig lie to Naomie about? I’ll wait.
Finishing law school
I thought they got together after he finished but before he took the bar. But with all the other drama, my memory could be cloudy.
I thought I saw a moment when Ashley was on a crazy rant that I saw a look of recognition flash across JSnow’s face that she was on the wrong side. But, I don’t particularly care for her so she can stay right where she is as far as I’m concerned. It was nice to see Katheryn and Pat hang up the gloves but, I don’t feel that Katheryn owed her that much thanks. Pat was not very gracious to a young woman who was being pushed around and discredited by older men. But, I’m glad for Katheryn that she was able to remove that negativity from her life. I haven’t been a fan of Cameron’s general attitude the past few seasons. She seems to feel very superior to everyone else. It’s condescending.
Totally Agree about Cameron. I love me some Craig ! He doesn’t need any ones advice.
I totally agree with this. I found Patricia to be a bit to condescending. Granted Kathryn had her issues that caused some of this attitude however it was Patricia who crossed the line many times and was often very unkind.. Patricia should have apologized as well. That was my feeling.
I am also, once again, disappointed in Bravo/Whitney. After seeing this play out I think that it was irresponsible of them to air the footage of Kathryn’s depression talk. All they did was give Ashley and Thomas more ammunition in their gas lighting efforts. Granted it aired before the finale but they have been in full attack on Twitter from what I read.
Patricia’s middle name is Condescension. Not a fan of hers.
Sunday Hare and English Rose – I agree with both of you. Pat now says Ashley was cruel to Kathryn but Pat said things almost as cruel about a much younger Kathryn – really a child at 21 with a child of her own and not only with no support – but being ostracized by (it seemed) almost everyone except Dani. Dani – who deserves an award for being such a wonderful person and true and loyal friend – from the beginning. And as someone said – Pat should apologize to Kathryn, as well. I think Ashley came here thinking she could use Landon’s playbook and have the backing of $10,000-shopping-trip- Pat, and her sycophants, and totally break Kathryn down. And the vicious way Ashley went in – showed she thought she had that kind of backing. If Ashley had not attacked Luzanne Otte – and gone ape-*hit at HHI – how would this have played out? And since when did Pat in her ugly kaftan and her high school, scantly decorated winter ball become the arbiter of manners in America? She is the typical alleged doctor’s daughter, art history gal who moves in wealthy men milieus – but she did not have Kathryn’s pedigree nor star quality – and I believe Pat was on some level jealous of both. And Pat was pointing Kathryn out to Carolyn Roehme at her table (which Kathryn noticed) prior to Kathryn’s apology. But now – if Pat did not back Kathryn – she would look very bad indeed. Kathryn must be very, very, very careful never to give Pat any ammunition against her. Pat will be waiting for her to slip (saying “old Kathryn” never left) and will at the same time be expecting Kathryn to kiss her promise ring and the hem of her every garment – and all the time. Also, regarding the finale, the thing I found as telling as Ashley’s words was the malicious, condescending and gloating gleam in her eyes and the cruel twisting of her mouth as she threatened Kathryn with “information”, and her other demeaning facial expressions when she reminded Kathryn of the loss of her children, and hurled the slurs of “baby momma” and “egg donor”. And they say the eyes are the window of the soul. Imo, Thomas should immediately cut Ashley loose for his childrens’ sakes and just stand up to her, no matter what. And for those who say Thomas deserves Ashley – his children most emphatically do not. He should man-up to her overt demasculization of him – calling him a pussy on camera – and bossing him and Shep around — and imo he should do whatever he can to keep her far away from Kathryn’s precious children at all times.
Hi scottiswitch. I totally agree with this 100%.
Ashley truly has an evil streak. She did not go out their to apologize in any way shape or form. She went out there to remind and inform Kathryn that she was holding the cards. She keeps insisting she is not going anywhere so there is something so damaging in her arsenal that she feels secure enough to make those claims.
Thomas is whipped. He knows that his gig is up and there is nothing he can do.
I don’t believe for a second that either Patricia or Whitney or even Cameron for that matter have changed their opinion of Kathryn one bit. It’s body language and attitude of the three of them. I believe Cameran may have softened a bit but I don’t think she has totally been won over. Whitney has made some shady remarks and Patricia is not convincing at all. Jennifer S had already been greeted by Patricia yet after Kathryn sat down and Jennifer came over Patricia acted like it was the first she had seen of her and Kathryn was then dismissed.
I wonder where Ashley is when Thomas has his children the other half of the time. She sure doesn’t strike me as the kind of girl who is going to sit around and let the BABY DADDY out of her sight too long. Especially not the children of the women she is trying to destroy.
Hi sundayhare3:
I totally agree with your follow up! I feel that Kathryn is still surrounded by calculating snakes. But I also believe that the Almighy hears a mother’s broken heart and was outraged and brought forth truth against all the odds and thwarted what they tried to do to Kathryn and her beautiful children. May God bless them, and imo, from what we have seen with the way Ashley calls Thomas a pussy on national television, in between what sounds like a stuffy nose, and he does whatever she says — these children need their mother – 100 percent of the time. Just think about everything that had to go Kathryn’s way to show the truth of the people involved -for this turn about — the smears against Luzanne, Ashley’s vicious attacks at HHI, Thomas going off on Chelsea saying he had the “money and the powah”, Ashley telling Shep she was the boss- and so much more. If I were Kathryn, I would never invite a snake into my house. She must be very careful. Dani and Shep are the only 2 I really trust. As for Thomas – if anyone were allegedly threatening him, it is well known that there is only one thing to do with an alleged threatener – and that is to stand up to their alleged threats – no matter what the cost- especially when one has children. Imo, he has to “man up” bc threateners never stop – and then his life will be in bondage – as it seems to be right now. Also- he needs to put his children first before any self-concern and especially because if he is allegedly under someone else’s control – then it is the person who controls him who is really in control of his precious children. And that is truly scary.
I totally agree with the look on JS’s face. Even my husband w/ADD noticed it.
I, myself, being made up in large part of humor, found one scene of serene comic relief from Ashley no less. When Ashley whipped out her alleged business card “PROVING” she was a nurse insisting over, and over, and over to Craig I fell off the sofa. This girl must have the lowest IQ. Seeing her practically shove this worthless piece of paper up Craig’s nose so many times he had to move away from her 3 times at every thrust! I died! Does she really believe this horse sh*t she’s made up about herself. On the other hand I have NEVER seen Thomas tight lipped & mannequin-like at any kind of controversy involving himself EVER. hmmmmm……..
I have to admit that I was secretly waiting for women to go ass over tea kettle maneuvering heels and gowns through globs of soap all over the stairs courtesy of the overly enthusiastic bubble machine.
I haven’t had the chance to watch yet but I watched last year’s (?) reunion a few days ago when J Snow was on … I actually was going to comment that I thought something was fishy but I thought I would get ripped apart here. When Kathryn talks about how Trav spent the night at Jennifer’s house after a party, Jennifer immediately says “I don’t remember that” just as Thomas is saying he “slept on the couch to teach Kathryn a lesson about staying out all night.” Kathryn says that Thomas told her himself that he slept in Jennifer’s bed, and that’s when Trav loses his shit and starts threatening her.
I never noticed, because at the time there were so many rumors circulating about KCD’s drug use, but watching it back I thought hmmm.. something about this exchange is off. Why was he so infuriated by Kathryn repeating what he had told her? Which part was the lie, i’m not sure, but it definitely triggered him. Perhaps Jennifer isn’t quite what she’s portrayed herself to be, either…
Very good observations! I remember feeling very uncomfortable. I paid half attention to SC in past seasons, mostly watched to reminiscence my time in that part of the country and of course all things juicy, personal interactions are a bonus…going to try to find that reunion when I get home.
TRav=Control=Relationship
Hmmm, he picked the wrong female this time to make this equation work. Kathryn figured out the hard and long way, but she figured it out! Thomas? He is going to learn long math, this woman has him by his…no amount of rational thought sees his current relationship as whole and satisfied on all sides of his equation. I believe, after the reunion airs we’re going to see some REAL crazy happen.
RE: Jennifer Snowden, she made some comments on Instagram last week that she is not a part of the show, she had no idea what was going on with the Ashley/Kathryn thing, hates the drama, etc. HOWEVER, I noticed MORE than once last night that she was in the background making faces, rolling her eyes, nodding agreement, and generally egging on the anger and nastiness that Ashley was spewing. At first I thought her reactions to Ashley’s comments at the table about “winning” were proving Jennifer’s earlier Insta comments to be true (re: her being uninvolved and not wanting any part of the drama). But, as the episode wore on and the confrontations began to take place, you can clearly see her in the background inserting herself and actively agreeing/participating with Ashley. For shame, my dear, for shame.
The ending of the episode ASh and T-Rav still together….SHE MUST HAVE SOME GOOD STUFF ON HIM..
Socks stuffed into the white pants… WHo knows. I will watch reunion but without T-rav… Heaven and his parents help him to get rid of the California honey who seems to be smarter than T-rav… Good luck.. I think she she has the details about T-Rav.. GOod luck this women is like a catfish..IMHO
I wish Kathryn hadn’t given the pig the satisfaction of wrestling in the mud with her, but she’s only human and was genuinely hurt and understandably at her limit.
Cameran sitting down at Craig’s and immediately saying “So, I had a baby…” Yes, we all know, Cameran. God forbid someone doesn’t mention it within the first 30 seconds of seeing you, especially when you’re being rude right out of the gate.
Thomas deserves Ashley. But I feel very bad for the kids. I think he really loves them and attempts to do a good job parenting them. Kathryn has a lot more control about who goes around the kids now that she has 50/50. She has grown on me a lot and has really matured. But she needs a MUCH better makeup artist/glam squad. Her hair is so beautiful when it is that deep red. She would be so beautiful with a natural makeup look. Her palms and eyebrows bothered me so much when she was sitting in her apt talking to Naomie.
I love Cameran and thought she was totally on point with Craig. He is way off course but his friends either need to accept that it is his life to live or stop being friends with him. He is having a quarter life crisis!
JD is disgusting but I enjoyed Elizabeth getting some camera time. I think J. Snowden will realize she was on the wrong side. Who knows how much she knew about the drama with Ashley before she started talking to her. But she needs to remove that chip off her shoulder.
Was I the only person who thought KD might have been slightly over medicated at the ball? Don’t get me wrong, I love her to death, but being anxiety ridden myself, it appeared as though her speech and mannerisms were affected by something she took to help calm her nerves. Besides that she handled herself amazingly later in the evening when everything went down!! I can’t wait for the reunion!!
Yes. You were the only one.
Omg-kill me!! U funny.
Think she was stressed out.. but handled herself very well.
It’s so hard to deal with Ashley.. who seems to think she has t-RAV in her pocket forever…
AShley said she knows all… maybe she does.. T-Rav has no chance of any future in Politics.. SUck it up pay the woman to sign a NDA and deal with your 2 kids and co parent with kATHERINE. IMHO
No-she wasn’t medicated or on anything. Maybe Ashley was btw she acted. KD is in total control.
And all those people making fun of Craig sewing-it’s an art form-not a lot of people do it, it’s hard to learn and be good at it, which he is, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with him sewing, and when people mention it, and complaining about it, that’s very sexist it.
Lmao! He is so NOT good at it! I am pretty sure this whole pillow making nonsense is scripted anyway.
I will get yelled at for agreeing with you but fuck it. I thought she seemed like she took one too many benzos. I think she has bad social anxiety and was probably very nervous knowing she would have to deal with Ashley and Patricia. I hope she is careful with the bemzos bc they are very habit forming. I really like Kathryn and don’t want her to ever lose her babies again.
No, you weren’t the only one. And I come from a place where I’ve been a Kathryn, so to speak, during a vicious custody battle against a wealthy narcissist. I have complete compassion for her and have supported her when others were throwing shade. That doesn’t mean I can’t spot a little bit of anxiolytic (I use them myself even now as I do still have a Thomas, in the form of an ex-husband to deal with, though not with my children). Yes, I saw it. And yes, it wore off. I saw it in the hotel getting ready and through the dinner. It didn’t change my perception of her recovery. She may have needed some help – in her mind – and there are non-scheduled meds which can do it, prescribed by MD. She suffers from depression and likely anxiety is also a part of that. I don’t see the shame in it. But, I also saw it.
Given the meaning of the word shag in the uk “shep cant shag” caused me to snort with laughter. Most unbecoming behaviour, especially if at a white tie do.
Ha! Shagging is a South Carolina dance. But it is probably true under any definition.
Hello All!!!! Soooooo, because of the comments on this show and the social media controversy I decided to go back and watch the previous seasons of this show. While doing so, I also went back to your previous posts and read through those comments on each episode. I’ll just say it’s funny how things change. You had a very “passionate” poster who had some very mean and hurtful things about Kathryn. One thing that stood out the most was her saying that Kathryn and Naomie would NEVER be friends because Naomie was too classy and above her and also that Kathryn was a train wreck who deserves all of the bad things she’s gotten dealt. It’s so good to see how things have changed. I wonder if that poster has changed her mind or does she still hate K.
Your will find that over the seasons here our opinions change on just about everyone! Editing leads us to believe whatever they want us to!
Go Kathryn Calhoun Dennis! I was so happy watching this episode last night, I watched it again this morning! KCD is the star of this show hands down. She was a vision of beauty at the ball. I really enjoy all scenes with Chelsea, she’s witty and happy and tells it like it is without sounding petty! Craig, doing great! Those who don’t love our Craig, just don’t get him! Cameron is showing a softer more relatable side since becoming a mother, and I like it! Plus, she is an excellent narrator of the show, always has been. Shep may have redeemed himself from the train wreck Relationshep in this season, particularly this episode. He is educated and worldly in his own southern way, and I think I saw a chink in his armour with his genuine affection,support and compassion for Kathryn. Perhaps he won’t be a lifer of Peter Pan syndrome after all! For the couple who shall remain nameless, BUH BYE! BUH BYE! The female of that couple upon second watching did a lot of teeth grinding and licking of her gums which leads me to believe her weight loss issues are due to a certain white powder, and I’ll pray for her..not in the bless your heart southern way, but seriously. Perhaps she will get help and redeem herself and live a good life, I just hope I don’t see her on my tv screen again! Finishing up on a positive note, thanks TT for recapping in the excellent way you do! You rock!
After reading all of the comments, I am getting concerned. If any show triggers your anxiety or makes your blood pressure literally rise -DON’T watch it!!
Seriously your health is so much more important.
That’s why we watch! Don’t take the only fun from our life!
The whole episode seemed so contrived to me. The white tie ball was held at the elks? There were tacky white Christmas trees? It seemed sparsely attended. So I am thinking the event was just for the cast and they threw in some extras. No one was on the dance floor. It just looked so phony.
Absolutely right, Judi. Obviously a poorly done staging. Very sparsely attended. Very sparsely decorated. Very sparsely catered. Very sparsely adorned Christmas tree. Sparsity carried to new levels of “who really gives a f**k how it all looks”.
Everyone, with the exception of Patricia, Jennifer and Ashley looked beautiful. Ashley may have actually looked OK, but her inner ugliness spoils everything else for me. Every time she starts to rant and rave, I sit back slack-jawed, astonished at the degree of hatred, delusion, and just plain spitefulness that drives her. She is insecure at her very core and that’s why she has to tell Kathryn that Thomas can’t stand her and puts down the relationship Thomas and Kathryn had. She can’t bear to think that there was once any love or caring there. She’s also undeniably threatened by the way Thomas looks at Kathryn and the respectful relationship they seem to have now. If he had even the balls of a three-year-old in that middle-aged body of his, he’d tell her to shut up and make her leave. But what does he do? Talks to her and makes it sound as though they should go their separate ways, she shakes her head ‘no’, says she’s not ready to give up, and he dissolves like an ice cube on a ninety degree day. What a wuss.
The worst part was the lighting …definitely too bright and harsh which made everything look even tackier.
I was just going to comment on the lighting too! Too bright for an evening event!
EnglishRose, I found my mouth opened and slag jawed a couple of times watching and listening Ashley, wow, just wow!
Thomas has died his hair too dark. It looks very fake.
A couple of notes…
Craig is maneuvering with one hand…don’t know if it is his dominant hand..I had shoulder surgery on dominant side and was locked in a brace for 3 months….not easy.
Although I only took 3 days of from work…amazing what you will do when it is your own business.
Patricia..your not gown was awful…looked a pineapple and wasn’t appropriate for the occasion.
As many have said if Kathryn ever got her whole appeared together it would be amazing..maybe an old Hollywood wardrobe mistress like Edith Head could put her together
Ashley was waving her Ca RN license…looks just like my Ca RN license…not to say hers is current
Those of you who have been here the longest know that the nurses here fight like pitbulls over their nursing degrees. There is at least one huge nurses brawl every year. It is like an annual event.
LOL! Thought I was experiencing deja vu for minute.
What kind of white tie affair is this??? I can see cables running on the floor and maybe dim the little a wee bit. I’ve seen 8th grade dances more elegant.
Is Patricia commando under her yellow dress? 😀
Hahaha! That is funny AF. Probably crotchless panties 😉😎
I have came to the conclusion why Ashley is such a cunt to Kathryn and why she is saying terrible things is because Thomas is paying her
She’s gunna be like the Kim zolciak of the reunion where everyone just gang bangs hed 😂😂😂😂
Throughout the season Ashley (via SM) has said wait for the season finale and now reunion to be redeemed for her horrific behavior. However it just gets worse. She’s completely delutional! I can see now why Thomas is still with her. She seems to be the only one talking to him. She managed to completely isolate him.
One of the things that really irks me is Patricia’s statements about why she didn’t want kathryn around before on the Soutgern Charm Extra clips. She said it is because she abhors drug use. Um, Thomas and several other cast members have demonstrated use of drugs as well, but she didn’t blacklist them. It’s irritating that she just can’t say that she didn’t want her on the show at the time and refused to invite her, I would have been okay if she had said there was always drama when she was around, but no, she used the drug line. Errrrr
Whitney TOLD her he used pot. Remember when she reminded him of his uncle that smoked pot and now runs a video store. I laughed really hard when she told that cautionary tale but if you abhor all drug use, pot is a drug.
Kathryn was violent, that’s why the whole cast didn’t want to film with her. Now they are giving her a second chance. Commendable for the cast and Kathryn.
Who did she get violent with?
Sorry I meant viotile (stupid I-phone). Cameran told Kathryn that when Kathryn invited her to coffee and why Cam declined.
Kathryn did sometimes react aggressively when cast members openly treated her as an immoral outcast.
And Whitney begged her to lie to Thomas about having had a brief fling (with Whitney) – then Whitney took Thomas aside and told him about it. That was cruel and treacherous.
So Kathryn had plenty of reason to lash out, quite apart from being affected by drugs.
But she was never “vile” in the greedy, deliberately nasty way Ashley is. Ashley was not around when Kathryn was the outcast and is only acting viciously on the basis of hearsay. It seems to be all an exaggeration in Ashley’s head as she (rightly) perceives Kathryn’s continuing existence stands in the way of her having total control over Thomas.
If anyone thinks Whitney and Kathryn had sex, I have a bridge to sell you in London, or perhaps Arizona. Patricia was trying to make Kathryn seem like a paramour of Whitney’s she did not like and people just played along. I think that this Shep/Kathryn bullshit is similar. It’s just next years fake storyline as neither of them are in a place to start a relationship.
AND Kathryn gets slut shamed in the process. I’m sure Kathryn is getting it in as she pleases as one does when they are attractive and in their 20s but the Whitney thing was make believe. The Craig thing is possible but less likely and I am sure she did Shep but the ongoing booty call is not likely. Shep is fucking fans now according to the streets of Chuck Town.
Interesting TT!
Why do you think Whitney made a point of telling Thomas he slept with Kathryn, in any case? It just seemed an awful thing to do after telling her to shut up about whatever happened or didn’t.
Like you, I can’t see the harm in unattached people in their 20’s having sex. I have never understood why so many women, in particular, keep judging Kathryn very harshly about this.
She tried to hit Whitney and missed. Most of the cast talked about drugs and violence in season 3.
I abhore hard drug use which might be what Patricia was talking about. I hate the use of grass or drink as a full time thing. Occasional use is no big deal. I think we all know the difference. You rarely find an occasional meth or coke user (if ever). Hard drugs do change personality.
I should hope they would “give her a second chance”. They acted abominably towards a young girl sucked in by an old playboy and dealing with being a very young mother.
Cameran in particular has now seen the light and apologized for her lack of support and basic kindness.
I would like to see Whitney acknowledge and apologize for the pivotal role he played in Kathryn’s break up with Thomas. He inadvertently did her a good turn in that, as history shows, but that is beside the point.
i fully agree w/cameron re her lecturing craig. he has told life coach he lies; and i feel the security of his paycheck from SC has prevented him from really getting on w/his life. he starts a ton of ridiculous projects/careers and has no follow thru. claims to love the law; but why has it taken him sooo long to get going. hope once he gets all the ‘go aheads’ he’ll start a real career. maybe the best thing for craig would be to get away from the show??? and niomie.
on the thomas front, it appears ashley really has something on him. why else would he still be with her? she is very scary and should never be around his children; especially considering her hatred for KD.
the ball did resemble an 8th grade dance — tacky decor — pat’s gown looked like something that was pulled out of mothballs from the 60s. hated the way KD had to bow and scrape to queen Pat. it should have been the other way around. Pat has been vile to a young girl whom she is clearly jealous of — KD has a real, southern pedigree and beauty. i think pat never got over KD rejecting her whitney. KDth showed incredible maturity, poise and self-control this season, especially dealing w/thomas, ashley and pat. thankfully one parent is an adult!!!
When do you suggest Cameran, Kathryn, Austen, Shep, Naomie… etc start their “real career?”
TT, That is a very good question! One of the things I would most like to see in a further season is Kathryn taking a serious step towards finishing her education as a mature age student and moving seriously towards a chosen career. She seems to me to be intelligent and empathetic and there are a lot of things she could be doing if she chooses. The fashion area she mentioned to Patricia at the ball is one area she could get a lot more skilled in from the merchandising point of view or another facet of it.
Kathryn would be a fantastic role model in that for so many young mothers who got in over their heads via early (married or not) motherhood for some reason. She is clearly a loving and committed mother but could be a superb inspiration to the children if she keeps growing as she obviously has the potential to.
So well said, Mackie40! I hope Kathryn reads what you just wrote!
Thank you! I have always really liked Kathryn. She just seems so brave.
Being a mother is a career so I consider Cameran and Kathryn as engaged in something valuable. Cameran was working in real estate. Shep is involved in 3 bars. There is work in that. There is work in investing. Not to mention that Shep is not the only monied playboy in America. Granted Shep is a playboy but he does seem to be more of grownup.
Craig is Peter Pan. He is a great guy with great potential but is going to goof around as long as possible. He believes life will work out if he waits long enough. Waiting until Southern Charm loses ratings before he acts just doesn’t seem like a good idea. He did want to be respibsible for JD’s Bourbon venture. He wants to be in charge of something other than pillows. He Who knows. Maybe the right person will inspire him. Naomie was pushy.
Having a real estate license doesn’t make someone an agent. ONCE AGAIN, Craig is a real estate investor. He buys houses to flip and as rental properties. He is living in a house he is flipping. THAT IS A JOB. It’s just not the job that you want Craig to have. I don’t understand why you and Cameron and Naomie want to tell Craig how to live his life. He has a six figure income from the show. He has numerous real estate investments. God forbid has time to pursue his hobbies.
WTF is wrong with people?
HE cant finish a pillow but he can flip a house? 2 years and nothing flipped
This is a least his third flip. He has two other rental homes that were move in ready.
Rewatching previous seasons on demand, Snowden has been a shit stirrer from the beginning. At her own sip and see for her sweer baby boy she goes outside to ask Craig why Naomie, Can and Shep are talking shit about him. She’s never had anything better to do apparently.
For me, the oddest thing about this episode was the whole idea that this was an oh-so-formal white tie event with décor that was more akin to a prom in a high school gym. How about a little ambience, Patricia? At least dim the lights a bit and light some candles. WTH?
I also really like how Austen handled Ashley’s queries as to whether he thinks that she’s a nurse. He was spot on. And I’m obviously doing it wrong, as I’ve never once felt obligated to carry proof of my profession in my evening bag. Lipstick, keys, credit card – yes. Professional documentation? No.
I watched again to try to better understand how Kathryn’s and Ashley’s conversation went sideways so quickly. Ashley went from the whole “I’m sorry for my behavior on HH” to not sorry and again nasty in what seemed like two seconds. Apparently Kathryn was supposed to accept that apology wholesale and not question or comment on it. When she didn’t do so, Ashley lost it again. She really is an awful, insecure person. I hope she realizes the ass that she’s made of herself when she sees what Thomas was saying about her to Kathryn and others. Her claims that their relationship was so strong were a joke.
Lastly, I really enjoyed watching Shep with Kathryn. Although he has his opportunities for improvement, I appreciated how supportive he was to her, especially helping her to sort out what she should say to Patricia when she was obviously nervous.
I’m looking forward to the reunion on Thursday.
You know, I don’t know if I like Naomi or not, but I totally understand her. She was a LOT more patient with Craig that I could ever have been.
Personally, I wouldn’t give a shit about whether or not my boyfriend (if I were still young enough and single enough to have a boyfriend) became a lawyer, became seamstress, or flipped real estate. I would never tell him to just pick one, no matter how much he tempted me to do so with his bouncing around from thing to thing.
Honestly, I wouldn’t even care if he played a flake on Reality Television just to get a paycheck (which is what it seems like he’s doing now).
Craig would frustrate me solely because of his constant tardiness, and the way he handles being called out on his tardiness. I started understanding Naomi last season when they got into that fight because Naomi left without him because he was making them both late. If you are habitually late to things, it should be a given that your partner is going to leave without you so that they can at least be on time and possibly warn the host that you are going to show up later.
Then, this season, we see Craig proudly talking about how good of a liar he is in that same smarmy way that Thomas talks about himself, and it’s just gross. He has all of these pretenses about himself that Naomi most likely recognizes from living with him, and if she wants to call them out now that they aren’t together, I would think it was rude, but not cunt-level rude. She’s finally away from his piles of bullshit and now she is able to call it out.
I’m not sure if I would ever call him out on television, but the desire to would be really strong. I’m not saying that Naomi is in the right, but I get her reactions to the shit that Craig is putting out there. He is like so many men on Southern Charm. He gaslights with ease.
The thing that frosts me about Craig is the lying. I’m not talking about the acting all hapless and hopeless for the story line. I’m talking about lying about completing law school and taking the bar exam. That seemed to be a real-life batch of lies that was not influenced by the producers. It looks like he did that all on his own, and tried to hide it from everybody. But he couldn’t hide it from Naomie, because they actually lived together…so he somehow convinced her to cover for him. I think that’s a very serious set of lies. I’ve seen news stories about people who did that kind of thing over the years, and the results were often extremely serious (even deadly).
I think that’s a big reason Naomie is so angry. She can’t believe she got roped into that farce. Imagine how stressful that must have been. I would be extremely angry, too.And it must have put his parents in a very difficult position. Oh noooo, I hate a liar.
I might be wrong but I thought production were happy to cover up the realities of Craig’s inability to graduate and therefore sit the bar exam as it messes with their story line – the others didn’t know, but I am pretty sure production knew & Naomi had to go along with it. I don’t think that is why she is so angry with him – she loved him but they are unsuited; she is angry that he can’t be who she wants him to be. He lies rather than disappoint her which makes things worse, but she has no excuse for being so nasty.
This is LITERALLY the stupidest comment of the day. You don’t seem to have an inkling of how graduate school works. Craig had finished his coursework he just had thesis to write and took some more time to write it BECAUSE HE WAS BUSY WORKING ON A TV SHOW. Since most of his cast mates treat him like shit, he simply didn’t tell them that he had a paper to write because it was none of their business and since they seem to want to run his entire life, he didn’t want to have to report to them on his progress. Keeping your private affairs private is not lying.
You know what I hate? People who meddle in other people’s life. Which is half of this cast when it comes to Craig. You know what else I hate? People who don’t realize that Craig is making a six figure income being on the show and that due to the low cost of living in the south he is able to invest his money in flipping houses and buying rental properties. And he does most of the work himself which is why he is living in a property he was flipping on the show this season. That’s what I hate.
Here Here!
“Keeping your private affairs private is not lying”.
Agreed. Omission.
Craig puts up with a lot of meddlers with a ready smile, sometimes a bemused look, and at the very worst, an open-ended question (e.g.,”why do you say that?”). He handles himself well with his friend/detractors.
I do wonder ( if this makes me another meddler then I am the kindest sort) if he is a bit depressed. NOT because his script doesn’t follow others’, only because he seems frustrated with his ability to finish projects he loves, in an amount of time which satisfies him. He seems frustrated by this. It’s difficult not to procrastinate for many (for me!). It’s a difficult feeling. And no need to conflate my feelings about procrastination with Craig’s; it sometimes takes one to know one. All my best to Craig!!!
Craig also gets paid to make appearances. He and Shep were once interviewed in Atlantic City. They all have busy lives outside the show.
This is a TV show people. If it wasn’t for Ashley the ratings would be in the toilet.
Holy! I love me some Southern Charm! I actually miss this show between seasons. This season I have a new respect for Katherine, hate Ashley with a passion and find Austin so vanilla it hurts. I have nothing really to add avout Ashley and her antics except id no one else find it hilarious when she charged up to Thomas and Katherine and demanded ” Tell her Thomas, tell her how good we are!” If you have to tell people how good you are doing as a couple then you aren’t doing as good as you think. Katherine telling him to be careful because Ashley is dangerous is so very true. I can see that chick trying to knife him.
Patrica’s dress was awful. I thought she was just checking things out in her gaudy dressing gown before getting ready for the ball. I was wrong. Yellow with green fringe? Who thought that was the way to go?
Craig just needs someone to help him get his crap together. Naomi is a hateful shrew. Even her girlfriends thought she was being hateful and unnecessarily cruel to him, you could see it on their faces. The other guys treat him like their irrelevant little brother but the truth is, he is probably the best catch on that show in every way but many his bank account. So he likes to sew and garden and loves his pet. I’d take him in a NY minute…If I was 30 yrs younger. I hope he gets his own back at the reunion and tells Naomi where to go.
WTH was up with JD? Was he drunk? His face looked puffy and splotchy. Walking in with that stupid looking fur coat, then having the nerve to comment on his ex (to be) wifes cleavage. Nope. Loved how she responded with “new life”. She is probably way happier without him.
Cant wait for the reunions shows.
I’m putting my money on that Ashley will return next season playing Tomas’s mouth piece since he wont be back. Something in my gut believes it. Trust me I have no love for her, , but I bet Bravo does with the ratings.
Sorry 🙁
Please God no, Karebear. Ashley has almost ruined this show for me. It is only the hope she will be off it and we can get back to more of the southern society life in Charleston that keeps me watching the show.
Ashley has skewed every episode she is in to feature very trashy and nasty, low level behavior that would even seem out of place on the real housewives shows that I find so boring and repetitive because of the fighting. She will have people turning off in droves,because there is no good way her line of behavior can become attractive to a wide audience. She is a pariah.
I really liked the show in the beginning as we got to know people born and/or brought up in the area and lovely old Charleston was on display. It all now seems dented and contaminated by Ashley’s self-centered and vicious presence in every episode.
Thomas will never regain my respect, he has revealed his true self through his liaison with Ashley and his support of her throughout, plus flashes of his own nasty temper and conniving and drinking – it seems very unjust to Kathryn that he has even 50:50 custody of the children. I also feel very sorry for the on-going embarrassment Thomas must cause for his extended clan of Ravenels. I can’t imagine how bad it would feel to have a brother or son like Thomas regularly appearing on national television and behaving so atrociously. Ashley and her influence over him must worry them sick. I also feel certain the allegations against him are justified.
I would like to see the show carry on without that nasty duo of Thomas and Ashley and see Kathryn take the next step forward, shaped further by her friendships and the trust extended to her now. For instance she may decide to get seriously into her chosen field of work, perhaps some higher level training in merchandising or some other area, and also step away from the last vestiges of addiction – the cigarettes. She would also be best to study precisely how Patricia very effectively cuts people down without the use of 4 letter words.
It is worrisome that there are posts out there with “Ashley updates” about her return to nursing” or calling her “gorgeous” in her horrendous July 4 picture.. on what allegedly are Bravo connected sites? Why all this positive Ashley publicity? Also – I noticed it again when Ashley was holding the locket- but Ashley has the most unattractive hands I have ever seen and they look like the hands of a 55 year old.
She has man hands.
Yes. The ramp up of Ashley’s Bravo publicity concerns me too – on the levels of worrying about her wrecking the essence of the show and the havoc she is creating in Kathryn and her children’s lives.
Exactly, Mackie40! Ashley needs to be out of South Carlina and out of the lives of Kathryn and her children. Everytime I see pictures of Kensie and Saint at “the Plantation”, I worry as to who is there with them? I hope not the gruesome twosome of the fired nanny and Ashley. How does Kathryn know for sure that Ashley is not around her children when, on camera at least, Ashley seems to control Thomas? And therefore might control what is happening with the children when they are with Thomas? Scary.
Yes. It really is scary. I can only imagine how anxious this must make Kathryn.
Thomas sorry long work day
When I see Thomas’ slack, numb expression in the final scenes of this last show, I don’t see fear of Ashley, so much. What I see mostly is horror and embarrasment as it slowly, slowly dawns on him that people are starting to see that he set this all up himself, as a vehicle to hurt Kathryn. And worst of all, Kathryn sees that more clearly than anybody.
Tamara I just love all your added comments thru all of this blog… laughed so hard and so true in many aspects. Lets all try to remember this a show for entertainment, unfortunately it has escalated into several legal battles and outside of just a show into social media and has become so despicable on so many levels, i of course love the Nurse banter regarding levels of nursing degrees, lol This Nurse personally started out as a CNA, then a LPN, then RN then to BSN. Had to add that 38 years total yes am at the Highest level in my current position as a Director. Back to the comments here my biggest problem with all of this is how Bravo is trying to cover there behinds regarding the vile Nurse whom’s name am beyond sicken to say…She has lowered the standards of what the Nursing profession represents for myself and thousands of other hardworking Nurses no matter what level they are at in the career ladder. Ashamed is a word I would like to state towards the subject… Shame, Shame, Shame on you as a Nurse you have no empathy. As a single mother no matter what she has done or not done she has proven herself to the courts. As a Nurse step up and be an advocate for others is apart of being a nurse. your actions off the show recently shows myself and others that its criminal and you rep what you sow.. I would never repeat never hire you myself. Thank you Tamara for your insight and allowing others to give two cents to the defamation that is spinning out of control from a network called Bravo…
Thank you so much Pamela Shin for acknowledging that qualifications and experience need to be backed by ethics, empathy and kindness to make the ideal nurse we all hope we will find at our side when we are sick and vulnerable. I know when I was in hospital recently I could not care less about nurse prettiness, but those, male and female, with empathy – who clearly cared and helped me be comfortable and unafraid in all sorts of little ways – stood out to me as real heroes. A few just seemed miles away and not involved.
Dear Tamara,
After several days of thought I would like for you to remove my posts from your website. Am just beyond sick of southern charm nothing but a lot of lies and fake info one thing I hate more than anything is to be lied to. I am not going to participate in this anymore.
Thank you
Well, thank you anyway Pamela Shin for affirming you maintain high standards in your own staff team.
As far as Southern Charm goes, I have personally been dismayed this season with the toxicity that arrived on set with Ashley. I can’t believe it is scripted or that editing could achieve what we have seen. I too am ready to switch off if this continues next season. Two young children are involved and do not deserve this.
Dear Pamela Shin,
I was not aware I was working for you. Where are you sending my checks? I have yet to see one. Please advise.
You’re Welcome.
Damn. I was just going to ask you to check my posts for grammar errors. What kind of worthless site are you running?
I is 2 busy deleting first time commenters admonishuns bout muh typos and bad grammer to to all that!
I have a feeling Ashley is going to (and I use the word loosely) “sincerely” apologize to Kathryn at the reunion to try to redeem veherself in the eyes of the public. Is it too late? Can she actually come back from all the vile hateful words she has thrown at Kathryn? I’m sure she will blame production and editing as she won’t allow herself to take full responsibility.
I just can’t imagine Ashley returning next season. Who would film with her?
If Thomas is using Ashley’s erratic and unhinged behavior to deflect the attention away from his legal troubles, I believe it’s working. I’d think Kathryn insisting Ashley stay away from her kids, would give Thomas an out to get away from her while he’s got the kids.
Does anyone know if keeping Ashley away from the kids is working?
The more I see of Ashley acting out and read about her past it makes me shudder to think about how Thomas has put himself and the children in a very dangerous situation. I had an experience about 16-17 years ago which parallels a little too close for comfort. I’ll keep it short. Right after giving birth to my son his father and I split because he was abusive. He immediately hooks up with a woman who is a nurse. Same thing, a few months in she wants to get married immediately to him and have his babies. Meanwhile he’s got a newborn son with me. Same kind of stalkerish controlling behavior. Taps his phone, GPS on his truck, tracks his every move. Finally he starts to see that something is very wrong. When he tries to break up with her it escalates. He finally admitted to me she used to drug him. She’d make his dinner and next thing he knew 12 hours is gone and he has no idea where he was or what happened. When he finally had enough and told her to leave him alone she broke into his house and wrote on the bathroom walls and mirror in blood how much she loved him and needed him and begged for him to take her back or she’d kill herself. She used to tell him how she would kill him and no one would ever know. Needleful of air to his scalp to cause an embolism and it would never be noticed, all kinds of crazy shit. She had access to all kinds of drugs and medical equipment that the rest of us don’t have normally. My point being, Kathryn/Thomas if you read here, y’all might wanna really do something like a restraining order and get that woman away from the children. She’s unstable, much like my experience with our own “Ashley”. It was terrifying. And seeing this all unfold brings back a lot of unpleasant and scary memories. This stuff really does happen in real life. Just saying better to be safe than sorry.
How did he finally get rid of her?
He filed multiple restraining orders against her and it put her in jeopardy of losing her nursing license. Her father went to my ex and begged him to drop the orders and assault complaint against her. She actually did end up physically assaulting him. He called the police and had her arrested for felony assault. He didn’t drop the charges or the restraining orders.
Well Thomas should take note. She also has probably filmed him when he is in one of his blacked out trances.
Exactly. Or worse. He still has nightmares about it. She went through all of his things. His phone, computer, etc. put the GPS tracker on the truck. All the while claiming she’s a Nurse and saves lives. In no way is this is a dig at nurses, as my daughter is an RN and I commend anyone who goes into the profession as I believe it is a calling. But this woman was mentally ill and had a God complex. Straight up cray.
Thomas could easily be drugged by Ashley without his knowledge. This would add to any drug he chooses to take anyway.
At the ball he seemed spaced out on something, rather than drunk and stumbling, though he also seemed to drink a lot.
He clearly got a huge shock and could not believe his eyes when Kathryn walked in. He was asking the person he was with (JD?) who she was. It must have hit him his long ascendancy was over if Kathryn was now on Patricia’s guest list. He looked fearful all evening, and his eyes swivelled to the side like a scared horse when Ashley approached from behind while he was talking to Kathryn. He really looked fearful.
Whatever her methods, Ashley has emasculated him – so far. Who knows what further lengths she would go to if she does not get her way.
Thank you for posting this. It happens more often than people realize.
@KathyD Yes it does and it’s no joke. Be safe ❤️
This sounds very much like a true crime show I watched last night where the mistress ended up shooting and killing husband, wife, then herself. It happens more often than I realized. Good thing your story had a better ending.
@Nanette You’re not kidding. I also had an infant at the time and so it was really horrific. She eventually moved away but it was two years of non-stop harassment and stalking of both of us. Trying to squeeze in anywhere she could including telling my son’s father that my son wasn’t his. And he believed it for a while until he came to his senses and figured out what was going on.
It is interesting how Ashley said to Thomas, “It’s you and me against the world” and Thomas now seems isolated from so many people, but Ashley. But one is protected by the crowd.
Often, a classic abuser’s first move is to separate a person from their friends and family. Looking back, many of Ashley’s actions and words are textbook abuser behaviors. The tables have turned on TRav. Perhaps Ash is smarter than many of us first believed.
Thomas’ frozen behavior and displayed lack of will power and willingness to be insulted and bossed around in public by Ashley certainly bears no resemblance to the Thomas of the past 5 years. Imo, the change is startling and if anyone cares about him – it calls for rigorous investigation and help. Yes, Ashley comes across as extremely willful, plotting, ruthless, arrogant and calculating. One sees it most in her facial expressions – the fury and stunned look in her eyes and the jutting of her jaw when she is opposed by anyone and as we saw in particular when Thomas confronted her in the stables – followed by her facial downcast as she regrouped with a light voiced, super feminine routine, and her saying “she loves him so much” or words to that effect. She pivots her routines on a dime. The gloating gleam in her eyes and sneer of her mouth as she thinks she is going in for ultimate domination over someone when she threatens and bullies them – even as she visibly savored watching Shep when she demanded he get her a tequilla chilled – her overt enjoyment of her power moves. It is all a “winner’s” game to her and she has an ultimate goal in mind. Imo, people need to stand up to her bullying, let her know she is not welcome in South Carolina and she needs to be firmly protected against. She needs to see that her “investment” did not pan out and she does “need to go somewhere” – back from whence she came.
Classic narcissism and sociopath behavior. And these people are usually extremely intelligent, i,e. Ted Bundy
Does anyone know if Ashley allowed near the children? I see Tomas posting pictures of the kids at his plantation this weekend on Instagram. I shudder to think that disgusting and vile woman is near them. She just a horrible human and the kids shouldn’t be near that kind of crazy.
And Ashley has a clear animus toward the children’s mother, Kathryn, and Kensie looks just like Kathryn. These children are so tiny and vulnerable. Furthermore, Ashley seems to want to be the only person in Thomas’ life. She is scary. Imo, there should always be proof that when the children are with Thomas – Ashley is not.
Scot, I agree!
It was frightening that Ashley yelled to Kathryn that she (Ashley) is the best thing that ever happened to Thomas.
One would think (hope?) that he would consider his kids to be the best thing that ever happened to him.
Clearly, at the time, she believed herself to be number one in his life above all others, including his daughter and son.
She is totally self centred and self seeking. Very retarded emotionally for a woman her age.
I think this is what makes her very dangerous. She has the means to do major damage and no maturity filter.
I wasn’t meaning to say associate degree RN’s were better ore equal to BSN’s. I was trying to say to the poster who was trying to talk shit about Ashley ONLY having an associates degree and before that LVN license was something to laugh at or look down upon bc it was only an AS.
I highly respect anyone who furthers their education. I work beside nurses with their BSN and we both do the same job. And an AS in nursing isnt anything to look down upon is what i was trying to say.
My intent was to say that Ashely has only been an RN for one year and before that and LVN. I was not comparing AA with BSN degrees saying one was better than the other as both work as RNs as far as I’m concerned. I was trying to say that with an LVN salary it would be very difficult to afford to live in that area of California without help. Many celebrities and very wealthy live there. . OPRAH lives there in the Montecito area of Santa Barbara for Christ sake!
I can’t stand that Production made Kathryn explain why she was getting ready in a hotel. Nobody EVER asks where the children are when Thomas is gallavanting around drinking hard liquor in every scene.
I have a hard time believing that Ashley sees the children more than Kathryn. Every scene of Thomas & Ashley in his home is sans children.
Kathryn is up against something most of us will never experience. As a recovering addict, my hat is off to her.
In one interview about Ashley choosing to go shopping with Patricia rather than Kathryn after K&A had made plans, Kathryn said something like “I realized right then that she was putting a checker on the board but the new Kathryn plays chess not checkers” i just loved that bc i felt ‘ok she knows whats going on & really is seeing what we all are seeing’
Keep up the good work Kathryn & continue to look straight ahead and use that self control you are mastering!! So proud of her!
So true! Kathryn has really put it all together and is growing into the woman she was always meant to be. Nobody is perfect when she is young and we all make mistakes. She just happened to make hers with the world watching and an evil narcissist as the father of her children. I have been #TeamKat since day 1 and always will be. So proud of her. Wishing her and the kids nothing but love, light, and happiness going forward. #ThisTooShallPass
Thomas is rancid. He is a classic woman abuser and manipulated, gaslighted, and mindfrigged Katherine so much, she started to snap from all the stress he was causing her. She was 19…20..? when Thomas hooked up with her? He is a typical predator. Doesn’t a parasitic person such as himself try to get with s much younger, vulnerable woman like Katherine because they are easier to groom? Of course Katherine developed a drinking and drug problem. She was buckling under the stress of not only being with someone emotionally/mentally/financially abusive like Tom–but not she also had two children with him. You know he was using the kids against her as a way to control her while wearing down her self esteem. It’s nice to see her to grow into the woman she is supposed. Getting away from him was the best thing she done, besides having those 2 cute kids, and getting clean/sober.
What is up with Ashley? I knows she is a gold digger/3 dollar a night slattern.. but why does she act like that? Is she being paid to make Thomas look better by distracting from the fact he’s a serial rapist? Is she delusional–thinking she’s a Normal Desmond type, overacting everything chance she can so she can get any screentime possible?
Is she just a sycophantic Harpy that will be Thomas’s undoing? If she were smart, she would’ve befriended Katherine, compared notes with her, and then expose him for the true creep he is. She’s not gonna get any money off him. He’s gonna get sued by the 80 women he raped, therefore losing all his cash and asserts to pay off the myriad of civil judgements made in favor of his victims. He be disowned, and disinherited..and end up working for Ashley’s pimp. You can see he enjoys getting his pet Chihuahua, Ashley, all geeked out so she’ll go off on Katherine. He’s a turd. Katherine will get full custody, and the kids will forget who Tom is since he be looked away in Fulton State Prison till the end of days. Ashley will end up a shopping cart/bag lady who yells at imaginary people and flashes anyone that’d give her a nickel. That’s the reunion episode I’d love to see. She’d give Satan a migraine with her inane, shrieky, babyish insults—yeah, yeahhh, yeahhh.
You know, this is so succinct in encompassing the TRUTH of the full picture painted in this unfortunate saga. Thomas should be, in the quiet of the night, crying in his pillow. I hope he has put things in LLC’s and set up Trusts for those precious children.
Patricia has had parties with cast and her friends. Its usually a disaster. I dont blame her for throwing a white tie prom for the cast and a few friends like Jennifer and Peyton. I wouldn’t drag my friends into their kind of drama. Honestly do any of you and your friends have this kind of cussing and screaming drama? I would never invite them to another event.
Bingo! That makes sense. Throw a filmable party. Explains the decorations and Patricia’s casual kaftan. I still say her emeralds were real.
Binge watched season 1 over the weekend and was surprised by a few things. Dani and Shep were an item, although she had turned Trav down as a felon. Trav apparently likes to invite friends to dinner to tell them off. Craig was career oriented, but still a busybody. At one point, he criticized Shep for not having a job😃.
Well I would like to be the first to thank L.O. for her pending lawsuit against Thomas and, Ashley for hopefully, saving us from another train wreck season of Ashley and Thomas. Thank You also Tamara. .
I really don’t believe that Ashley’s behavior is authentic. I can’t imagine someone being so vile. Maybe the producers told her she was there to be this season’s villain? Maybe they egg her on and tell her to say the outrageous and hateful things she says?
No. Ashley is exactly the vile person she shows herself to be on the show.
Shep confirmed it is not scripted.
If it was editing, where are her nice person scenes? The other thing is how pleased with herself she looks when most nasty – she really has no idea. .