My mailbox has been full of people asking about Joe Giudice since that one site posted as if they are in contact with ICE officials over the fate of Joe Giudice. Recently, the same site erroneously post that Kristen Doubte had been demoted on Vanderpump Rules and before that they claimed Kenya Moore had been demoted on RHOA. All three lies were obvious to me because I understand the timing of all of these situations. In Kenya’s case, you don’t get demoted before filming even starts, not to mention she has the best storyline she’s ever had this season. With Kristen, you don’t get demoted in the first few weeks of filming. Demotions in reality shows occur in post production. That’s when they sit down and realize they don’t have enough film to feature some people and have a surprising amount of better footage for someone else. This is how “peaches are stolen.” This happened to two cast members of Shahs recently. Not during filming, but at the end when all the filming was complete except for pickups.
Now deportation is not a reality show, but it two has a long process that occurs with a final decision made at the end. The “post production” time for deportation comes when one has been locked up in and ICE facility for a while. ICE deportation centers are awful places and prisons by comparison are much nicer so Joe’s attorneys have been trying to limit his time in a deportation facility.
IF YOU CAN’T READ LONG DETAILED INFORMATION THE SHORT VERSION IS THAT NOTHING HAS CHANGED WITH REGARD TO JOE’S DEPORTATION. THE STORY YOU READ IS FALSE.
If you are interested in my receipts, the best place to start is last September when Joe lost the opportunity to participate in the alcohol program (RDAP) that would have shaved quite a bit of time off of his sentence.
From my post September 12, 2017:
The rest of the news all is the result of that retainer. Here is what I said about the retainer and how it effects his RDAP program in a very lengthy post on the subject you can read here.
So, to summarize, Joe could well get into the RDAP despite his illegal status in the country as a non-citizen; however, the only result of that would be to move him into an ICE facility a year earlier. It’s still a good gig for him if he can get it with regard to moving out of prison sooner, but most likely he will be spend at least a couple of years awaiting deportation in an immigration detention facility. If he gets lucky, and is admitted into RDAP, and earns all his good time his release date will be 3/14/18. That’s a week short of two years.And then, he will be in the deportation center for most likely at least that long, in which case it highly likely that the next time he is a free man will be no earlier than 2020 and he will be in Italy when it happens with no possibility for a visa to return.
Lawyers for Joe were in court today arguing that Fort Dix is excluding him for the RDAP program which now pushes his release date out a year father to 3/14/19. Their motion also claimed that the prison is preventing him from fighting his scheduled deportation. The prison does not allow inmates to appear before immigration judges. According to the court document, other federal prisons allow inmates to challenge their deportations. The earliest he will be able to challenge the order is after his release to ICE in 2019. This is a problem because it takes years to challenge the detainer and his attorneys want to go ahead and get started on that.|
He is not going to win a challenge against ICE. He will likely spend at LEAST two years in civil detainment. Then he will eventually be deported to Italy no earlier than 2021 and will not be allowed to return to the United States.
So again, the reason people spend so much time in the nasty ICE detention center is because their attorneys are fighting the detainer and due to the number of deportations and the limited number of judges the process usually takes years. So last September when Joe was not allowed into the RDAP program that was offered at Fort Dix, and because Fort Dix does not allow inmates to appear before immigration judges, his lawyers petitioned to have him transferred to Allenwood where he would be allowed to go to immigration court.
Joe was transferred to Allenwood fairly quickly after he was denied RDAP (due to his detainer and program overcrowding) so that his attorneys could begin the process of challenging his detainer. This is good news for Joe. The bad news for Joe is that his charges are considered “aggravated felonies” and this pretty much seals the deal that he will be deported unless his lawyers have some sort of miracle up their sleeve. However, if they start fighting his detainer now, a process that takes years, even when they decide to deport him anyway, this process is cutting down his time in the ICE detention center and expediting the process of him becoming a free man in Italy. Even if he exhausts all avenues to attempt to stay in the US, which is the most likely outcome of the immigration court process, he will still be released to ICE upon completion of his sentence to await his deportation. He just won’t have to sit in a deportation center for as long as he would have if he had to wait and begin the process on arrival at the center as he would have if he had stayed at Fort Dix.
So that is a very long explanation on why the news that is currently circulating is false. There has been no change in his deportation status since he was put on detainer in March shortly after he arrived at Fort Dix. ICE has been planning to deport him the entire time. He will have to serve his sentence here before he is deported. He will not be deported before his sentence is over. And the final deportation order is yet to be signed.
His current release date is March 14, 2019 at which point he will be held in the deportation center by ICE.
Once he gets out of jail, if he doesn’t fight deportation, would he still have to stay in ICE detention? Or could he just agree to return to Italy?
He will not get out of prison..
Short of a miracle, he will never be a free man on US soil.
TT, thanks for posting. This popped up on my NBC news feed.
He will get out of prison in March 2019. He doesn’t have a life sentence. The question is if he agrees to go to Italy right off the bat will he have to stay in a deportation facility and I believe the answer is yes from what I understand of TTs post.
ICE has a detainer on JOE. The detainer means that he will be DETAINED and not released when his sentence is over. Instead ICE will come pick him up and take him to the detention facility.
Joe’s attorney’s have gotten a head start on the legal processes normally started once he is civilly detained in order to expedite the process regardless of outcome. Eventually, he will be deported by ICE to Italy, barring some sort of miraculously legal maneuvering by his attorneys.
By the way, those lawyers are INCREDIBLY expensive. Where is he getting the money for four or five years of attorney fees?
Thank you for explaining all the legal nuances , I appreciate that
Will he be able to go to his house before being deported?
NO.
Maybe they sold those Versace plates.
I was wondering the same thing.
#boybye l
I hope the tacky house, tacky clothes, fake boobs and damaged children were worth it!
Speaking of the tacky house, I hate those GIANT foyers that some of the RHs have. They say “you should feel small and unimportant and fortunate to be invited to my grand(iose) abode. A nice foyer is spacious enough to allow guests some “breathing room” while they take off their coats; it should say “welcome to our home, we are so happy to have you visit us.” The more insecure, the larger the foyer.
Thanks for the update ! xo Marc
It seems Teresa has pretty much resigned herself to Joe being deported. Last season, after hearing how Teresa never missed a week visiting Joe and then it turned out she had missed months of visitation. Teresa sounds as if she is looking forward to being a free woman. The downside if the kids want to see their father they can go to Italy.
I see an Italian reality show on the horizon for the Giudices.
I fell for the Kristen one but not this one. TT has good sources. Mine (TT) is better.
I just really don’t honk he’ll be deported, regardless of what the law says. He should be, but I don’t think it will happen.
Thanks for the breakdown TT. I had been wondering what was “really” going on with Joe’s release date/deportation.
Bye Joe ! Don’t let the door hit ya on the way out
Hope he takes Teresa and those kids with him.
Isn’t Teresa friends with the Pres after being on his show? What about a Pres pardon?
Please tell me you are joking.
Um, I was thinking the same thing! I mean our president is a fellow reality show participant, is there some kind of bro code?
It’s happy hour.
You better blame it on happy hour. Otherwise you’re just a run of the mill retard.
Yes, TT, we’re very happy in St. Louis.
STL has perpetual happy hours. Hey, radchick, I am in NoCo.
I second that!
I’m not expecting it, other than there is no doubt in my mind she would ask him for help. And he’s quirky enough to do it.
It’s not like Tre has Trump on speed dial. Just because she was on his show at one point, does not make them friends. I think Joe Giudice is the least of Trump’s problems and I doubt he even knows about all this.
Thank for your in-depth information and explaining the justice system. And thank you for the facts about his situation.
This is one person who deserves/needs to be deported. Sorry not sorry.
This is the most complete information I have ever read regarding Joe’s deportation status. Thank you.
Teresa definitely seems as though she’s adjusted to life without him very well. Remember how disrespectful he was to her, especially the scenes where they were in the vineyard and he was talking to someone on the phone and calling her a cunt? Can you imagine a loving husband saying that about his wife?!! Plus the scenes before he went to prison where he acted like he couldn’t wait to get away from her. Well, Joe, be careful what you ask for.
Do you think the reason Teresa hasn’t been taking the girls to see him is to make it easier for them when he’s deported? Hope they all manage OK – they’ve had some rough times, through no fault of their own, and I wish them and Teresa well. She won’t have any trouble supporting herself, but I don’t know what Joe would have done for employment if he was allowed to stay in the country.
I imagine he’ll have quite a adjustment when he ends up in Italy, considering he’s spent almost his whole life in the United States. Plus, it seems to me his Italian wasn’t that great. Maybe he should save some of that money he’s spending on attorneys and invest in Rosetta Stone language lessons. I don’t know why a little part of me feels sorry for him since he brought all this on himself, although I don’t imagine that he ever expected these consequences to result from his dishonesty.
My question is, does Tre visit this site and do you think this may open her eyes to her future? Nahhh, even if she reads all the facts she is too delusional, let alone just plain dumb to get it. Feel sorry for the children, but can’t do wrong doings and say “but what about my children?” as a get out of jail free card…pun intended!
I enjoy a nice juicy Schadenfreude dinner as much as the next broad, but my blackened little Grinch heart just isn’t in this one. Joe’s sense of entitlement to getting something for nothing and the casual ease with which he pushed the Bankruptcy Button is also the reason for his looming deportation – he’s the guy who probably saw rules in two categories – Doesn’t Matter, and Doesn’t Apply to Me. But I’ve gone all Cindy Lou Who on this particular predicament of Joe’s. I miss my Dad (dead these 25 years) so badly my bones ache. And my Woobie misses her father (though to be fair he only deported himself to the next town to remarry). I can’t be happy about the inverted Sophie’s Choice the Giudice family now faces. Good grief. Do any of you fine folk have a little vodka to spare for this poor, overly ruminative and chronically morose veteran of The Great Menopause Skirmish of ’08?
Well..it’s not much of a Sophie’s Choice. Teresa could give up fame & fortune here in the states and move the family with him to stay together (they have relatives there..albeit poor ones). But…NAW..she ‘aint doing that!! I guarantee you! 🙂 lol
PS Schadenfreude breakfast is sooo much better 😀
Thanks for all the information TT. I forgot about him.
To be deported to Italy. I can think of worse things
Poor Italy is in a terrible state with it’s debt. My Canadian friend married an Italian, lived there for 20 some years and had two kids. She took the kids back to Canada a couple of years ago so they could complete high school and university there. She said they had no future in Italy. Saying that though, last summer I spent a month there. I love Italy. Great to visit but not necessarily a country will a good future right now.
TT, thank you for a complete and intelligent explanation of the situation.
I am infuriated that those girls are being kept away from their dad, allegedly.
The whole crew of them should move with Joe to Italy. Yes, I know it would be difficult for the girls.
Allenwood is about a four hour drive from the house and has limited visitation hours as all prisons do so it would take a three day weekend without any of the kids or Teresa having their “events”
Not excusing just explaining. i am sure there will be a visit on the next episode of RHONJ.
There also are limitations on how many hours each inmate has for visitation. Says a woman who in her “past life” spent waaaay too much time and money visiting an entitled asshole federal inmate!
I am so sad for the girls. My dad told me this when I was a young adult: “The most important thing I could do for you as your father is to make sure that I never did anything that would make your mother change her mind about me. No cussin’, no hollerin’, no runnin’ around, no sittin’ in bars.” My folks were married for 56 years when my dad passed. I wish Joe and Tre had given more thought to the consequences of their actions on the lives of their daughters. The first thing they should have done was be good to each other.
This post was awesome! You really do explain things well. This information was signed, sealed and DELIVERED!! Thank you!
Tamara- what’s your opinion on Teresa? Do you think she will just divorce him and raise the girls here or follow him to Italy?
I feel like she has already moved on. I don’t see her moving to Italy.
I don’t keep up with NJ very much, so I am just flabbergasted by these people. Why oh why did Joe NOT get US Citizenship?? Am I missing something?
Hmmm.. who is the erroneous website? Is it a tea blog?? ?
Ok. I quit.
LOL
I hate that blog.