As if the Conbody workout on last night’s episode was not insulting enough, Andy has two of the guys behind the bar for a WWHL episode with Carole. I hate this episode already. The other guest is Leslie Bibb. Whoever she is, she’s a Bravo addict.
Once again, Andy airs the police dash cam and courtroom scenes. Because, Andy.
We are up to the FOURTH clip of things that happened in previous shows. This time it is Bethenny and Carole hug it out. Then Andy talks about Carole’s nasty blogs that show the two are still not friends. He asks he a bunch of questions that he would know the answer to if he had actually read said blogs. Carole goes off on some feminist rant about how Bethenny saying that she was sad about the breakup was “very misogynistic” as if the guy is off banging new chicks and the girl is at home crying her eyes out. Um, I’d lay money that is exactly what was happening. I am really starting to believe this whole thing is about Adam. She then said Bethenny texted her “forty or fifty” times over the holidays. That is why her response was “that’s a lot.” Didn’t Carole say initially that Bethenny didn’t keep in contact over the holidays? Wait, I think that was what Ramona said to Sonja.
A caller asks Carole if she still talks to Adam and if she is dating. She does still talk to him, yesterday was his birthday. She says she is dating but not much because she is focused on other things right now. Really? Like what? Stalking Adam on social media? I find it interesting that she didn’t mention the triple date to Dubai recently. I like Carole’s outfit tonight it looks like black years and an airy black top with white polka dots. Then she shows these odd gold like gladiator type sandals that for some reason reminded me of the bathroom faucets at Trump Tower. I think this is the best Carole’s hair has ever looked.
Carole says that Luann has taken a full inventory and is very invested in her sobriety from what she can tell. She didn’t drink around the ladies and didn’t seem to mind not drinking. Carole says she came back from rehab very humbled.
Next we see the sneak peek for next week which we all saw after the show. Dorinda picks on Sonja for wearing things with part of the Morgan family crest. What is the point of that other than just to be a bitch. Who cares is she has slippers with a deer on them?
Someone asks Carole why she announced that Bethenny said Luann is a loser because it seemed like she was trying to gather more allies against Bethenny. Her answer was in comprehensible and she somehow relates it to her running the marathon. We are now entering the second discussion of the marathon in twenty minutes. Bethenny never congratulated her! She never said that’s amazing! She just went on and on about Luann! You could see Leslie let out a little sigh and turn her head when Carole veered off into marathon land again.
Andy surprises Leslie with Craig Conover. Carole has no idea who he is and you can hear Leslie say, “It’s a show called Southern Charm.” Craig brings a cute pillow for…..ANDY. and gives the two ladies pillow cases and tells them to buy their own pillows. Oh Craig, don’t give people unfinished pillows. Sidenote, back in the stone age, when I was in junior high, we took “home economics” classes where we would learn to cook and clean the kitchen (I always got low marks in that) and we made a pillow on the sewing machine just like this. We all finished our pillows.
Leslie asks Craig if he is single. He says yes. Andy asks if he is truly over Naomie, and he says after the things he said to her at the reunion, yes. Craig says that he told Naomie her whole life is a lie and she is fake.
Craig stayed for a pretty lengthy after show. Right at the beginning,Leslie, who literally will not stop talking starts gushing about Kathryn. then Craig says either Ashley or Actually (he’s a bit tipsy and I’m a bit deaf) that happened two ….when those two…a lot of weird stuff happened. It’s almost like Ashley and Kathryn make up at the reunion. Or not. I dunno. It was hard to make out what Craig was implying and Andy suddenly distracted him in order to shut him up by asking about Craig’s shoes.
Carole says that she and Luann are back in a better place. Leslie tells a long story about confusing Zoe Kravitz with Lisa Bonet. The punchline is she doesn’t know they are mother and daughter. Apparently, neither does anyone else in the room.
On the episode last night when Bethenny came in to the prison workout she was trying to great all the ladies with hugs and turned and it was one of the owners. She joked that she didn’t know him, went on finishing her hugs and then came back to him. A caller is trying to make it a big deal. Carole didn’t notice it during filming and CLEARLY didn’t watch the episode so she goes off painting Bethenny as being a stuck up self-important celebrity. Leslie tries to explain what really happened and Carole says Bethenny does stuff like that all the time.
Leslie points out to Carole that she is a bit mean to Sonja and people are excluding her this season and it doesn’t look very nice in those situations. Carole just doubles down and talks about how Sonja has said some stuff. Leslie says THEY ALL HAVE and points out she forgave Luann and Carole says that took two years. I wish Leslie would point out Ramona is way worse than Sonja about being mean to the others.
That was a lot and the after show was almost as long, and way better than the actual show.
I got bored with WWHL with Carole, although I agree, she looked fantastic. I’m so vastly disappointed in her – she has been a fav from the moment she started on the show.
But GOD FORBID your friend texts you a lot over the holidays because, for whatever reason, NEEDS you. That is some serious fucked up shit to complain about a supposedly “good, close friend”. Acquaintance or co-worker? Yes. Close friend, no.
I personally do not find anything attractive about Carol and never been a fan of hers If she left the show I would forget she ever existed as a Real house wife..
I watched the show last night and your comments about Carole are spot on. I couldn’t figure out what the heck she was saying when she was trying to answer the question about Bethenny calling Lu a loser. I have a feeling she may start snarking about Andy since he didn’t seem to want to gush over her running the freaking marathon.
I was watching clips from the after show with Capt Sandy and Fredrick, and Andy is such a mean bitch.
You are right about Carol’s outfit, TT. Best she’s looked in a while. She should toss that weird confessional dress, and the dress she wore to Cosmo. Blech.
I’m not a Carol fan, but she said it as a 2-in-1 dig at Bethenny. The main point was that B responded to Carol’s marathon news with a nonsequitor, completely ignoring Carol’s accomplishment. The fact that it was a mean dig at Luann was a cherry on top.
So you believe that Carole and Bethenny were talking and it went like this???
Carole: I DID IT BETHENNY! I RAN A MARATHON! IT WAS AWESOME!
Bethenny: Luann is a loser.
Carole: It was so long. But did you hear? Are you listening to me? I RAN THE GODAMN MARATHON!
Love this! I laughed out loud at me pedicure place!
What I really think happened?
Carole: LUANN SAID I STOLE ADAM FROM HER NIECE. LUANN SAID I WAS A CRADLE SNATCHER. LUANN CALLED ADAM MY BOYTOY. LUANN SAID THAT ADAM’S AND MY RELATIONSHIP DIDN’T HAVE ANY MEANING.
Bethenny: Don’t be upset about that. You know it isn’t true. Luann is a loser. Ignore her.
Exactly what I think also
Exactly
It looked to me like Andy is over Carole. She is so arrogant I bet she would take him on and think she can get away with it. I hope she tries.
Now I thought the night before he was a little shady about B when that question of Fred and B working together came up. Andy was almost peeing his pants when Fredrick said no they probably wouldn’t. He gave him a knowing look.
He loves nothing better than when the women fight. It’s what all the franchises are about. That knowing look is creepy af and so is he.
I did watch WWHL and it was so Obvious That Carole had no clue who Craig was… really?
Self centered; do I need to go on….
I don’t find that to be particularly self-centered. Why should she know who Craig is? Just because she’s on the same network does not mean that they’ve met or that she watches the show. I work for the Post Office. I don’t know people in the Post Office in the next town. Why would I?
Bethenny was literally in Guatemala yesterday handing out more cash cards and giving toys to children, so Carole can just fuck off already (and I was a fan to the death of Carole’s before this season). Yeah, Bethenny snaps every waking moment of her life, but she doesn’t have to spend every waking moment in countries devastated by nature, doing a ton of work to get people help. She can snap away, she really brings to light exactly what is going on in these places.
Tamara is right about Adam (as she always is) because Carole has given several different reasons for the friendship split between the show, her interviews, her INTMs and her blogs. And one of the very first reasons she gave was that Bethenny texted Adam without going through her. We’re talking grown women here. Unless Bethenny had some sort of previous romantic relationship with Adam, there’s no reason why she couldn’t contact him for help in Houston any time she wanted to.
I’m breaking up with you, Carole.
We’ve seen Carole miffed like that before. Remember in her first or second season Carole got really pissed at Luanne for talking to a designer friend of hers without Carole’s express permission. That is what everyone hates about the so called Manhattan “elite”. They are so very jealous about friendships and that is no way to be with friends imo and very unappealing to me.
I shouldn’t say that. I don’t know why others do not care for that mentality. But I do not.
Uh, nice revisionist history there.
Carole wasn’t “really pissed” at LuAnn for “talking to a designer friend of hers without…express permission”.
Carol was mortified when she introduced LuAnn to her friend, the designer Naeem Khan, and LuAnn immediately asked him to let her borrow (not purchase, mind you, but borrow) some gowns. It had nothing to do with speaking to him “without permission”.
Any well-mannered person would be horrified if they introduce somebody to their friend and the first thing out of their mouth is, “Gimme gimme gimme”. Carole was 100% right to be miffed.
I know I wouldn’t dream of asking favors of people whom I’ve known for a total of 5 whole seconds. Maybe you’re crass like that, IDK.
Allow me to revise your revision…
Luann said she didn’t ask to “borrow some gowns,” like for some random parties. LuAnn said that if she does a magazine cover, she would love to wear one of his gowns (for their mutual benefit–i.e., she looks nice and he gets the publicity).
When Luann clarified this, Carole still didn’t like it because Luann, in Carole’s opinion, was not an important enough celebrity and the magazine Luann mentioned was not an important enough magazine to be worthy of Carole’s designer friend. Carole laughed in Luann’s face and said that he dresses Michelle Obama and she mocked in her talking head that the magazine wasn’t Vogue.
So, it wasn’t, “Luann, that was tacky of you to ask to borrow a dress from my friend that you just met.” It was, “Luann, you’re a nobody and how dare you think you’re important enough to be dressed by one of my famous designer friends who only dresses A listers?”
A lot of people have grown to dislike Carole over the years but I disliked her from the start because of these sort of frequent obvious and extreme displays of self-importance and snobbery on her part.
Bethenny put on Twitter on the night the episode aired when Carol confronted her about the Berkshires Bethenny said she never personally contacted Adam one of her aides did.
Bethenny snapped all the time before she started doing charitable works. I think it’s amazing to see what she’s doing, but I don’t think it gives her an excuse to be so caustic.
I agree. It’s amazing all of the amnesia that sets in with viewers. It’s weird the venom towards Carol as if we didn’t all watch Bethenny say crap all of this season that Carol was clearly in the dark about until watching the episodes. Now that Carol is responding in real time to what she didn’t know was being said about her during filming, she’s suddenly the bad guy.
Last nights episode of WWHL was so boring that I started vacuuming during the episode. Carole is a snore fest. Also she has the nerve to crack jokes about Lu’s arrest dress when most of her outfits are HORRIBLE. Carole needs to take a long look in the mirror at herself.
I root for Bethany, and maybe that is because of ALL the good she is doing in this world. I also think the reason that Carol is so hypercritical with Bethany is because Bethany said some disparaging stuff about Adam when she thought they were broken up. Even though we aren’t privy to what was said, I believe that is the only reason why Carol is finding so much fault with Bethany and why she is unforgiving.
I totally agree Carol holds a grudge and God forbid if a friend tells you the guy you are with could have possibly been using you for a free ride for all the years you have been together.truth hurts.
Carol could it be that Bethenny seeing right through Adam is hurtful yes it is but maybe she should of left Carol in her world of self delusion
Men have patterns and they are very easy to figure out. Adam will use a woman and when he isn’t getting whatever it is he wants a free ride he finds his back up Carol kicked him out of her apartment I believe her princess money monthly check would of been in jeapordy and she had to remove Adam and that pissed Adam off but that is just my take plus she will never be able to have children and she will never be able to marry Adam.
I see both sides but don’t think a friendship should end over it. Carole still stays friendly with her exes and leaves on good terms. Whereas when Bethany ends relationships, she ends in anger. I imagine when Carole and Adam broke up, Bethany went off and said lots of nasty stuff which Carole is having a hard time getting past. I know when I broke up with one of my boyfriends, I had a friend who called him all types of names and was so angry. She never even met him. I didn’t end my relationship with her over it or go around bad mouthing her. Maybe it was more of a final straw moment.
Maybe Carol has been passive and listening to all of Bethany’s problems and constant infomercials. Maybe Carol expected something from Bethany besides congratulations, like flowers or a congratulations dinner. It is a big deal to run a marathon, and it doesn’t take much to celebrate a friend. When my friend gets a new job, I take them out to dinner and that’s a normal event for anyone. Even if they went out for drinks to celebrate and talk about it.
But reality stars are catty.
First couple of seasons she was on, seemed as tho Carole was grounded, confident & cool. Don’t know what happened but this season she’s a petty mean girl. Bethanny has leaped from struggling poor girl to a successful, wealthy amazingly charitable philanthropist…almost seems like Carole is jealous.
And while we’re ALL thrilled to pieces about her running the marathon, she needs to “get it” that it was a monumental, life-impacting feat for HERSELF. Her friends said “yay”, but they have their own lives & her marathon has no lasting impact or impression on THEIR lives! Carole seems inordinately impressed with herself…get over it. Virtually NO ONE knows who she is.
Did I mention that I baked a Fig Cake? Please applaud me for the next hour. I need gratification from everyone here just like Carole does because she ran the marathon. We all do self-important things in our life WHY must we dwell on receiving all the yeassssssss from friends? We did it for ourself as an accomplishment in life. That is enough right there.
Fig cake? I’ll give a yayyyyyyy to you for that!
That sounds wonderful! You get a big yay! I may even give you another yay later!
Luann is a loser.
LOL, TT, your humor cracks me up! I had to read up to see why you would say that!
HA!
About a month ago I was struggling because I found a lump in my breast. I’ve been cancer free for some time now, but I was very concerned. I told a couple of people in my family and a couple of very good friends what was going on. Two weeks ago I got the news that the biopsy was fine, no cancer detected. Not one person near me has asked me how it went or if I’m ok. I know the comparison is a stretch, but every time Carole brings up the marathon I kinda get it. It sucks to find out that people don’t really give a shit.
WOW!! People do suck and I give a shit!! I know what a relief it must have been for you and having to walk around not knowing if everything was OK or not is horrible. What I have found is there is an abundance of selfish folks in the world. It hurts to find out that the ones we love and have trusted are just as selfish as some of the others.
Take good care of yourself and give yourself a great big hug from me!!
if i was your fried irl i would be scared to ask because if it’s bad news now you had to share it and i would hate to make you feel worse if i asked but i suck at social situations
Thank you for that perspective. The few people who knew are very close to me (or I thought they were) and would know it’s ok to ask and that they have to ask to know.
I really do think they were waiting for an update from you, and afraid to ask. Your situation was majorly important, to you and those that love you. But running in a race? So the hell what. It doesn’t compare with either feeding the hungry (Bethenny) or dodging cancer (you). Congratulations!
Not EVERYONE is thrilled that she WALKED a marathon. :o)
Yep
Why is missing Adam misogynistic. I think it’s normal to miss any close friend. Unless he never was a friend, and in that caze, I guess Luann was right.
My Dad started running marathons in his 50s and did about dozen of them over several years. Training and traveling to run marathons became his hobby for a while.
I’ve thought about that quite a few times while watching her talk endlessly about the marathon. Dad didn’t and doesn’t talk about the 12 times he completed marathons any where near as much as Carole talks about her one and (clearly going to be) only marathon. If fact, he doesn’t talk about it all really unless you ask him.
I agree. I don’t think Carole understands that people are happy and proud that she achieved a goal that was going to be very difficult for HER but that running (or walking) one marathon, in and of itself, is not something so unique as to deserve the accolades that she seems to be expecting.
Congratulations on your achievement? Absolutely. But come on. She said herself that were 50,000 people entered in the race. If only half of those finished you’re still one of many, many, other people who have achieved exactly the same thing.
Well said. Your Dad sounds like a gentleman.
I believe she only did the marathon as a way to hang on to Adam
Carole was a snobby biatch from the start (remember how she treated Luann and then Aviva) but things got worse when she started pairing up with one other girl, which allowed her to have more of a backbone. First it was Heather, then it was Bethenny, now it’s Tinsley. I don’t think she is jealous of B because B was already a baller when she rejoined the show and met Carole.
I thought Craig inferred that Kathryn and Ashley made up too. I find that hard to believe. Kathryn is extremely cautious about who she is friends with and I can’t imagine her curling up to that snake. I did hear someone say that Ashley is coming back next season, but I don’t know how they would know that so early. Fingers crossed that it’s bullshit.
I, for one would not be surprised if Katherine forgave Ashley for all of her nastiness etc Katherine has class.I would be ASTONISHED if Ashley actually apologized! I think this may happen & she will spin her relationship with Thomas as being told what to do what to say etc If she admits to her misdeeds then there is hope for some redemption on her part. . I have an awful feeling we she will be part of next season. Like Landon previously I think we are stick with her for a lot longer than we would like.
YAAAAWNN! Carole is sooo much smarter than everyone . zzzzzzzzzz
Can we please take party planning notes on how amazing the Skinny Girl Jeans party was !!! Oh, and yeah, suck it Carole!
I think Carol decided to make this season about……CAROL. Unfortunately…there wasn’t much to plunder.
So….running…panting…drooping to the finish line was her gift to mankind.
And Bethany…traveling to help the unfortunate..had THE NERVE..the INSENSITIVITY..to not text her great accomplishment. Doing the marathon was for herself..mostly I suspect..to do something that Adam was into..and to show him that she was young enough..fit enough to do it.
Now..I applaud the effort. And I’m all for Carol doing the new hairdo..and new clothes.
But not the whinging about being ignored by B.
Personally..I’m giving my congrats to the reader who made the fig cake. I’m sure that was for SHARING.
Carol decided on putting on her Bitch Hat.
And you know what?
To me..she was always a bore. Now she’s a bitchy Bore.
And wobbling to the plank to take the tequila shot. Carol almost knocked her knees together.
Obviously those Zanotti’s were too high. I played it back a couple of times…just to have a laugh.
In fact…it was so boring…the highlight of the show was seeing Craig’s awful pillows.
But..I could lean back on one..eating a slice of fig cake 🙂
“And wobbling to the plank to take the tequila shot. Carol almost knocked her knees together.” ROFLMAO !!
Here is my theory about the real reason for the fight: Bethenny, who as we all know deals with abandonment issues, was jealous/ hurt/ threatened by Carole’s friendship with Tinsley so she started doing all kind of nasty passive aggressive sh*t- for example very calculatingly inviting Dorinda instead of Carole to PR. As in “I don’t need you either! You ditched me so I’m gonna really ditch you!” All the crap about clothes and hair = things Tinsley likes. She mentioned in one of the fights “you’ve been traveling with Tinsley”. Carole is no saint and I actually always hated her but at least she has self awareness to openly discuss and work on friendships where Bethenny psychologically is a raging dumpster fire
I put a good bit of credence in this theory.Until you got to the last sentence. I don’t find Carole to be the least bit self-aware and while I do agree that Bethenny has abandonment and trust issues she has not in the past been a psychological dumpster fire with Carole, because she has let her in. Whatever happened to cause the rift was likely something that Bethenny said or did but I believe she has true remorse.
carole and b obviously have spent hours tearing others down, criticizing, snarking…..but carole used a b statement ‘luanne’s a loser’ to get back at b! carole can’t accept that adam is done w/her and has a new girlfriend (prob age appropiate), he has used her for time on the show, he’s an opportunist, b called him out and carole wants revenge. she is so snarky, mean and bitchy and it’s true – she always needs a buddy! to side w/and chime in. first heather, then b, now tinsley. carole has always had it out for luanne – the princess vs the countess. not giving b a pass in all this – she has always said very nasty things to everyone on the show – just made nasty comment abt infomercial and ramona!!! b is the queen of infomercial and self mktg. i do give her props for all the good she is doing in the world and really getting things down on the front lines!!! carole needs to stop w/the marathon , as a matter of fact, it would be great if exited the show – no storyline – total bore!!!