Tonight, the ladies are heading to the Hamptons. This means boozing and brawling. Sonja is riding to the Hamptons in a bus by herself. Dorinda, Tinsley and Carole are riding up together and trashing Sonja. Luann drove up by herself. Sonja has given Luann a long list of items she will require while staying a LuAnn’s house. Because, Sonja. Luann asks how everything is going on with Sonja and Tinsley. Sonja thinks she is good with everyone.
The first all cast scene is dinner at a restaurant. Bethenny is 12 minutes late to dinner and the first one there. It’s supposedly a birthday party for Bethenny and she is miffed that everyone is late. Tinsley refuses to sit near Sonja, Carole recoils when Sonja tries to greet her. Everyone isn’t even seated yet and is already starting off with drama in the air. Sonja says she sent Carole a gushing email and all the got was a text that said, “Thx.” Luann said she got one worded too but it was all spelled out. Bethenny says she called Carole ten times but she never picked up. Carole is getting super defensive about this.
Luann and Bethenny hug it out over the Tom situation. Bethenny was thrilled that Luann said she was right. Luann wants all the ladies to know she doesn’t want to talk about Tom anymore. Tinsley tries turn the knife in Luann’s heart a bit farther. Luann gets up and gives Bethenny her version of Marilyn Monroe’s version of Happy Birthday. And then, for no discernible reason everyone puts on Groucho Marx glasses with the big noses and bushy eyebrows and starts dancing around.
Carole and Tinsley are staying in a hotel. Bethenny has her daughter with her so I don’t think anyone from the cast is staying at her house. I’m sure she has a nanny and an assistant or two there. Bethenny meets Carole and Tinsley for breakfast the next day. Carole and Tinsley are super focused on each other and barely acknowledge Bethenny. The Sonja bashing continues and they talk about her new face. I think she has had even more work done than she had at this point.
Meanwhile, over at Luann’s, she is making breakfast for her houseguest, Sonja. Sonja has already gone through Lu’s closets an helped herself so a pair of slippers. Dorinda and Ramona are also at this brunch. The season has barely started and there are already so many people who don’t want to film together. Sonja starts talking about the juicing and veggie diet she is on. She’s trying to detox off of some antidepressants. She says the divorce and the lawsuit, and her daughter preparing for college was just a lot at one time for her and the antidepressants made her gain weight. Dorinda has no compassion for this story at all.
Ramona brings up Carole snipping at Bethenny. The girls wonder what is going on with Bethenny and Carole. Ramona talks about all of her renovations and Sonja says she’s trying to get rid of her townhouse and has contractors in all the time. Her townhouse is actually listed for rent now at $35,000 a month and the photos are deceptively beautiful unless she has had a whole lot of work done. Sonja says Ramona was in love with Mario the contractor. Dorinda says that is not true. Sonja makes a comment about being friends with all the men in her life. Dorinda loses her mind saying she just went to heaven to have dinner with Richard the other night? She’s super animated. Ramona suggests they all try to speak more kindly about each other. Sonja says she is very sensitive. Luann tells Sonja that she has been through a lot. Dorinda once again freaks out and tells Luann, “I’ve buried a husband!” This is not a good look for Dorinda. She screams at Sonja and her husband left her because she was fucking around in the south of France. Veins are popping out of her head. Dorinda is screaming in her face point a her finger in her face calling her and ass! This is ridiculously bad behavior and Sonja looks terrified!
To be continued…
So now we know why Sonja’s marriage ended, she was screwing around on John Morgan while she was in the South of France.
Kind of interesting that Sonja’s divorce/separation happened before Dorinda buried her husband.
Can you explain what is interesting about the timing of the divorce and death?
What’s interesting is that Sonja says she’s started taking anti-depressants because of all the stress going on in her life…and she uses the examples of her daughter applying to colleges and (among other things) her divorce. Her divorce was at least 20 years ago but she’s acting like it happened yesterday and that she’s oh-so-upset about it that she had to start taking medication.
Contrast this with the death of Dorinda’s husband, which happened only about eight years ago, and yet Dorinda seems to have managed her grief and moved on…without having to “suddenly start” taking medication to deal with it.
Come on, Sonja! Dorinda is right. Your husband left you 20 years ago. Using that as an excuse for why you can’t deal with anything is a joke.
People don’t take antidepressants for situational depression like divorce or a death in the family.
I went to many doctors to try and find out why I had no energy and had stopped caring about decorating my house or shopping or gardening or doing fun things. They kept telling me I was depressed. It was infuriating. I was not sad. My life had not changed, I had. I was gaining massive amounts of weight but hardly eating. Then the odd anxiety started. It’s a chemical imbalance that makes your brain act like you are sad, when you are NOT SAD. Sonja tried antidepressant, they made her gain weight, she didn’t like how they made her feel and so she went back to relying on alcohol.
Dorinda has in no way managed her grief and moved on. She drinking and doing coke (alllegedly) to deal with things. Whatever combination she is self medicating with is not working.
Wow. I mean- yes, Sonja is delusional, she has been for quite a while but she seems an awfully easy target. Dorinda seemed explosive beyond what was required. Tinsley seemed whiny. Carole is just flat out unlikable- “I don’t lock my doors”- implying that to do so is silly was just the beginning. Live in Carole’s world or don’t exist. Bethanny is Bethanny. It’s not great when Ramona and LuAnn seem like the grown ups trying to hold it altogether. The one moment that really stood out to me was Sonja giving her dog water out of that water cap on the bus. How can you see that and not think to yourself- this woman could be homeless and wearing a ratty coat calling it a fur and fully believing it and talking to an imaginary cocktail party around her? I mean, I kind of hope that’s the state she’s in mentally because if she’s just trying to hold it together for the sake of image it’s almost more heartbreaking. I don’t know- I think we’re reaching the Kim RIchard’s stage of it’s not fun anymore with Sonja. And I hate to say it Dorinda maybe too. At least for me.
I agree about Sonja. Her behavior and delusions are getting to be sad, not fun or quirky. I think that she really has some stuff going on. I kinda felt that way last week with her gay man party. It was like she invited all these men to her home just to boost her ego. Like, if she didn’t have them, her ego and self-worth would collapse into an abyss.
I like Dorinda but she was way too aggressive.
Sonia is Norma Desmond. I am loving this season so far.
Well, when you put it THAT way! I get it.
I can now watch the drama unfold and choose to enjoy it… either it contrived or natural or drama or comedy. And that is entertainment. Bravo Sonja!
with a splash of Baby Jane…
Thought the same thing about Sonja reminding me of Kim. I feel sorry for her, but wouldn’t want to sit next to her on the shuttle. It was just sad.
Luann showed a lot of class in how she handled Sonja’s demands, showing up with the dogs and going through her closet.
Dorinda’s volume and intensity are over the top but Sonja’s Delusions are worse by the year. Her marriage was over a decade and s half ago but she still defines herself by that event to the extent she can’t offer true empathy toward anyone undergoing crises in the moment. There is not one aspect of her life she deals with in a forthright manner. She is appealing but no one wants to hang with someone who sells their stories on Page 6.
I really think Sonja is dealing with mental health issues that aren’t really being helped. I think she tried to self medicate for a while then tried the antidepressant and I think she just needs help on a more serious level than people realize because her behaviour is so objectionable that it’s a distraction.
It feels like Sonja occupies space in dorinda and tinsley Mind. It seems Sonja knows what she’s doing playing the weak link and the easily emotional for her gain to get major scenes. Dorinda falls right into the trap Sonja sets up for her and has the nerve to tell Sonja that she thinks tinsley is upset. Dub, because you planted the seed and egged it on the way Sonja knew you would so she can have a major scene.
I hope you’re right but I honestly don’t believe that Sonja has herself together enough to think of it. I think Sonja is truly going all Grey Gardens on us and has been sliding off the edge for years. Even her tag line is ridiculous – “I’m not just a name, I’m a legacy”. It’s a little scary how far she’s gone with this delusion in her mind. She said things like, she’s really close to Ramona and her husband didn’t leave her. She says them in a way that makes me believe that SHE believes it, and that’s when we step over into cray cray land.
Ramona seems different this season. Like she isn’t as high strung and irrational as she normally is. Obviously it’s early in the season still and I’m sure she’ll make me regret saying that, but she seems like a different person. I don’t know if Ramona just has a good plastic surgeon or she just takes good care of herself but she seems to look better too. Where as Sonja just looks off a little bit. Her teeth kind of look different.
I like Dorinda except when she behaves like that. The in people’s face commentary and finger pointing seems over dramatic. I get Sonja is frustrating to be around but Dorinda goes nuts on her in every season.
Ramona definitely seems like a muted version of herself and she does look great, but different. Almost well-behaved! Sonja looks good, but I can’t put my finger on the changes. She’s out there even more than usual and seems to be bordering on being a bit mentally off – even with all the ladies calling her on her stories, she doesn’t give up on them and admit they’re B/S. Dorinda practically popped a vein going off on Sonja – I’ve never seen her so angry – she had a point though, having your husband die when you’re very happily married, is a horrible, tragic thing. Being divorced by your husband (15 years ago) because you allegedly cheated, is very upsetting but nowhere near the same as being widowed. I really don’t know how these ladies say the awful things to each other that come out of their mouths (and which are often very truthful) and still manage to be in the same room together in social situations. It must be difficult, to put it mildly. Of course, they are being paid to be together, so that might make it easier.
Narcissism.
Can’t believe these narcissists actually got me taking Carols side.
She ran a friggin marathon and they’re complaining about her response texts? I want text acknowledgement from my friends when I eat force myself to eat kale or remember to take the bins out! & the comment about needing a friend by her side all the time was just mean, the girl is 50, she’s got no kids, she’s a widow and she just broke up with the bf. Her friends are her family atm.
Bethenny is very jealous of Tinsley. Sonja is also jealous of Tinsley.
I’m over sonja and her delusions. She’s no longer fun tv, just uncomfortable.
This was my feeling as well on Carole. Glad I am not the only one.
ditto
I do agree the whole text thing was rude towards Carol. Shouldn’t of even been brought up.
But here’s the thing with Carol. She complains no one was there but then says she doesn’t like anyone so who does she actually want there? Tinsley her BFF was, Beth, Ramona and Dorinda both were out of the country. She doesn’t like Lu and Sonja. So she might want to stop that argument piece.
Also even if this text thing wasn’t a piece of dinner. I do believe Carol would of found a way to be pissed at someone, or think she’s above someone, or make fun of someone, or not believe someone, etc. So her whole no one supports me, and I am nice act is lost on me.
In Tinsleys interview she made a good point that the marathon trail was directly in front of Sonya’s front door, all she had to do was open her door and wave as the runners passed so I can understand why Carol had no patience with Sonja of all people raising the issue. Too bad neither Tins or Carole thought to say this at the table but then again Sonja is the Dorit of NY. A total waste of time to argue with
I get that but how do you know when Carol is running by your door?
If Carol took nearly 7 hours to “run” the marathon, at what point should Sonja have waived to her? Did a producer tell her what time to look outside her house?
Sonja wouldn’t have known which is sort of my point(that I did not clearly articulate) of why that text shouldn’t have been an issue. If Carol not responded,then I would understand Sonja’s point but since Sonja didn’t or couldn’t even show up, she should be thankful Carol thanked her for the email/text or whatever she sent and kept it moving.
I want to support Sonja but she makes it hard. After complaining spending all last season complaining about Tinsley being a bad guest, look at how she was with Lu this episode and at Dorinda’s Berkshire home last season.
You would have to be a VERY VERY VERY close friend or HUSBAND for me to stand out in the rain for six hours while you are running a marathon I can’t see you run. Tinsley did it either for camera time or because production made her.
I agree that Bethenny is jealous of Tinsley. I also think Bethenny kept sending Carole text messages asking her if she was done on purpose. You can track a runner’s progress on the internet. Lastly, I still like Sonja. She will be funny as hell at some point this season. Happens every year.
Ramona’s picture should be on posters all over the NE warning people that if they enter Ramona’s space she will force them into physical labor of some sort.
Sonya may benefit from a biscuit or perhaps a big plate of spaghetti.
It’s nice to see Bethenny enjoying a birthday finally.
I know Carole & Tinsley hung out during the off season and got close but how rude to totally ignore someone joining you for a meal.
Scott may be a nicer guy than Tom was but I feel like Tinsley is going down Luanne’s matrimony road.
I love Dorinda but that rage was a bit overboard.
I usually adore Dorinda but tonite she seemed high strung. Sonja does talk without thinking and says silly things that no one believes but Dorinda went in for the kill.
Luann love her..I admire her saying you was right and I should have listened I was blinded by love. I for one have Been there got the t-shirt, as a lot of women. We want someone so badly we overlook a lot to try to make a relationship work.
Carole and Tinsley were just rude. I shouldn’t be amazed by now at these women who have money and supposedly have class but instead are just asses.
I’ve always thought that Carol thinking Luann should have been nicer to her in regards to dating Adam was a bit unrealistic. Mainly because Adam was dating her niece at one time and if she threw her support behind Carol dating him it might seem like a betrayal to her niece who is family. I understand they were broken up and all that but I understand why she couldn’t be happy for Carol and Adam either.
I agree. I am so over Carol. She is so judgemental, whats worse is she diesnt know it!
Family first and my thoughts exactly
I think you’re right about Carole and Tinsley. I detest them both this season so far. Carole is just butt ugly in my opinion both in looks and attitude. Tinsley seems like a spoiled brat, not a good look. I felt so bad for Sonya. I’ve always liked Dorinda but her actions last night were above and beyond ridiculous. Love Bethany as always. Glad to see Luanne getting better. Ramona does seem different, wonder if she’ll stay that way.
I think people DO believe Sonja. She’s on the show, she knows these women and they all say they’re friends. She speaks about them with authority. She spouts off stories that have a small kernel of truth so they sound plausible and because these women are, “her close friends” people take what she says at face value. She has told outright hurtful lies about all of them. I’d be very hurt, angry and humiliated too. Dorinda has her issues but she’s a straight shooter. She keeps forgiving Sonja and then she finds Sonja has said something nasty behind her back.
I think Sonja is a lot more manipulative than people think; I don’t think she’s the sweet innocent who wouldn’t hurt a soul. She knows that she’s lying. Maybe she wants attention at a dinner party or from the press and a side benefit is people are talking about them and not about her and the lousy choices she’s making. I’m not buying it’s not deliberate. It’s cold and mean. I think she goes after Dorinda because she’s jealous of her financial situation. She did the same with LuAnn. She admitted she was envious of Lu because Lu had a decent settlement while she didn’t receive one and needed to hustle more. Some friend. Dorinda lost her husband and Lu had a very rough divorce. I would have cut the chord a long time ago.
I hope that these women won’t try to rub Luann’s nose in her divorce. Yes, they were right about Tom, and everyone could see that he was a douche. But the divorce itself and the public humiliation of his infidelity is already a lot for her to deal with. Luann has never been my favorite cast member, but I hope these women back off on this specific point.
Dorinda is always mean to Sonja. Sonja must flinch when she see’s her coming. I love Sonja. She is clearly a loose Cannon. Bethenny and Luann seem to have figured it out. Bethenny is not a forgiving person but always forgives her. Like Lu says, she is harmless. I’ll bet she is a ton of fun. She doesn’t pretend to be someone she’s not. I don’t know why she pushes Dorinda’s buttons.
I knew there would be a falling out with Bethenny & Carole. Bethenny doesn’t want people in her life. Carole seems to be the same. I am tired of Carole callung Lou out as being pretentious. Ms. American Princess has her nose pretty high up in the air.
When will Ramona ever go away.
It’s sad to me when people go along with the ‘Sonja is harmless’ narrative. Actually she is not. If you want to know the REAL Sonja you must look deeper. I’ll keep it very brief ..
1. Her ‘hostess’ job (where she met her husband). Her employer’s fired her when they found out what she was ACTUALLY doing with her job.
2. Why do you think her ex husband was so pissed off at her that he a)blindsided her w/divorce papers b) refuses to give her a settlement c) won’t even be in the same room with her d) forced a magazine to remove all traces of a ‘family portrait’ they did with them. e) sent their daughter to boarding school
3. Have you read the actual details of her $7 mil judgement and how she got into that mess? It’s disgusting what she did.
4. Her ‘interns’…or should I say ‘unpaid house staff’ ? ( I could rant for days about that bullshit!)
I can go on and on…
The point is Sonja has created her own mess and has yet to take even an OUNCE of responsibility. In fact..just the opposite. She continues the ‘poor Sonja’ narrative because people believe it.
When it comes to the show…she has actively tried to discredit Dorinda & Tinsley. Why? maybe because she doesn’t like they have a bit of popularity with the viewers. I think she is more calculated than people think.
This is all so true. I’ve never thought Sonja was fun or harmless and the ‘My Gays’ thing is beyond appalling and Andy Cohen dressed down another housewife for that.
Thanks, Slurinda!
Amen! Someone agrees with me! Yippee….
Whoa. Just read TT’s story on Sonja’s 7 mil judgment. I recall reading it back then now but forgot. Wow. She is nuts. Also makes me dislike her a lot seeing her as putting on an act and running cons.
It’s sad to me when people go along with the ‘Sonja is harmless’ narrative. Actually she is not. If you want to know the REAL Sonja you must look deeper. I’ll keep it very brief ..
1. Her ‘hostess’ job (where she met her husband). Her employer’s fired her when they found out what she was ACTUALLY doing with her job.
2. Why do you think her ex husband was so pissed off at her that he a)blindsided her w/divorce papers b) refuses to give her a settlement c) won’t even be in the same room with her d) forced a magazine to remove all traces of a ‘family portrait’ they did with them. e) sent their daughter to boarding school
3. Have you read the actual details of her $7 mil judgement and how she got into that mess? It’s disgusting what she did.
4. Her ‘interns’…or should I say ‘unpaid house staff’ ? ( I could rant for days about that bullshit!)
I can go on and on…
The point is Sonja has created her own mess and has yet to take even an OUNCE of responsibility. In fact..just the opposite. She continues the ‘poor Sonja’ narrative because people believe it.
When it comes to the show…she has actively tried to discredit Dorinda & Tinsley. Why? maybe because she doesn’t like they have a bit of popularity with the viewers. I think she is more calculated than people think.
As for Dorinda….Am I the only one that has ‘lost my shit’ on someone? I can’t be. It’s never pretty…but it happens.
The ladies of New York never disappoints. Dorinda did appear to lose it. I wonder what else was said. Great recap TT.
LuAnn seems like a generous hearted person – making the gift basket for Bethenny and buying everything on Sonia’s list. I know I will draw a lot of flack, but I never really cared for Dorinda and the reason why is what we are seeing come out now. She always claimed to “make it nice” but I always felt that she could be really very “unnice” if her sense of being the alpha dog is challenged. And if you disagree with her on politics – or say you might have suffered as much as she has – she claims the moral high ground and designates you as beneath her. She appears to be furious that her husband died – not just sad and missing him. She had a much different life when he was alive – a life she no longer has – and from the way she behaves she seems to resent it and bitterly. Widowhood is very tough on almost all widows – the bible even singles it out as a condition of particular hardship- but it is one of those things that happens. But at least it did not leave Dorinda poor and without financial security — and wealth is a great insulator. However, Sonia – it seemed – has been financially challenged and not very well insulated. Anyway, it looked to me as if Dorinda was using Sonia as her human punching bag, while Bethenny is coming across as the straight shooter, Imo, Tinsley has been acting very mean, and Carole is another one who thinks those with views that differ from her own are inferior (like those who bother to lock their doors). Furthermore, the way Carole and Tinsley ignored Bethenny at the breakfast was pretty rude. Ramona is coming across as the Rinna of this season so far. She is there – but removed from most of the drama. So far…
I agree with everything you said, ScottishWitch – it makes perfect sense!! Especially Dorinda being angry that her husband passed away.
I agree with you, Scottishwitch. Dorinda is a rude, phony bore. I’ve never liked her. Tinsley is the epitome of a, “woman child.” Enough. I’ve been over Carol since day 1. Sonja appears to be suffering from depression. She tried to explain it at the table.
I would be furious also if my husband passed away.
Anger is definitely part of the process. Grief is a fluid process and has no time limit.
If you are still in the anger stage SEVEN YEARS LATER you are going to have some serious psychological issues and a seven year history of VERY POOR coping skills.
you make me proud to be a scot, scottishwitch
Re Sonja –Delusional! Sonja is manipulative and knows exactly what she’s doing. She was jealous of Lu for years because she of her financial settlement and she’s jealous of Dorinda. Sonja is the most superficial woman on RRONY. She’s as dumb as a fox. I can’t believe people are falling for her act. She’s a huge instigator. Dorinda has forgiven her many times and tried to move forward only to learn Sonja NEVER stopped talking behind her back in a nasty and degrading manner. I have no sympathy for Sonja. She was divorced 10 years ago! I’m on month 18 of my divorce and I don’t use the excuses she does when I make bad choices.
I know Dorinda is a fan favorite. I normally like her but she has anger issues. Her outrage is disproportionate to the offense.
While Tinsley might not like what Sonya said, it is true, she is a self-proclaimed socialite. I think Dorinda stirred the pot but Tinsley was primed to boil. Honestly, who believes that Scott was not helping her financial? I’d bet that he was throwing some cash her way.
The artist was a good sport at Ramona’s. Romana needs to chill her sense of entitlement.
Carole’s hair looks great.
Luann is better off without Tom. The guy always gave me a creepy feeling–he is so slimy. I believe Lu knew but he was too indiscrete. Just a hunch.
Dorinda’s crazy outbursts have grown tired for me. Been there, done that, she doesn’t always “make it nice”.
I don’t think Scott has to help Tinsley financially. Tinsley’s family is very wealthy and I’m sure she got a great divorce settlement. She was married to Topper Mortimer.
She is probably still spending that Mortimer money… Divorce certainly does not come cheap! Unfortunately, the same can’t be said for Sonja, who only got the house and maybe a few million… which is not much compared to how much she had while married to Mr Morgan. She gets a bit of sympathy because of that.. No longer running wild with the Asschers of the world in Gstaad and Cannes. This is probably why she is so harsh on Tinsley.. jealousy I guess.
Tinsley’s family is NOT super wealthy. They were wealthy enough to spend all of their money getting Tinsley in the right schools and in the right situations to Marry Topper. My understanding of the situation was that the Mortimer money ran out and then she was in Miami going after that other rich guy and being a stage five clinger eventually getting arrested when she refused to go away. Then Carole introduced her to Scott, who I do believe bought the $5K gift card for Sonja and the hotel room she lives in. Bravo also pays the hotel to film there.
Sonja, Dorinda, Carole and Tinsley have all lost relationships that came with a much higher standard of living than they have now. It’s very difficult for all of them. Dorinda’s saying her husband dying is worse than the other three is ridiculous. Even Carole doesn’t play the widow card every five minutes.
Bethenny, Ramona and Luann are all in situations where they went through painful divorces but are still in relatively the same financial situation they were before. These three are reeling from feeling like they can’t trust anyone and they are never going to be in a safe place again.
They all have a shit ton of baggage. Sonja is still trying to pretend none of this is happening to her. She is completely delusional. This makes Dorinda being extremely aggressive toward her is even more frightening. If I were in Sonja’s situation, I would have either punched Dorinda in the mouth and run off crying. Or simply run off crying while have a huge panic attack. It was very distrurbing for me to watch on TV.
All of these women have extremely broken places. Which of course is why Bravo selected them to have emotional breakdowns for the enjoyment of the viewing public.
Imo, So perfectly stated TT!
Marrying JPM was probably the best thing that ever happened to Sonja. She had a child with him and seems to have deep feelings for him. Divorcing him had to be the worst thing. On top of that, her daughter was sent to Boarding school in 6th grade so Sonja was alone. I know women who have never gotten over their divorces and they didn’t lose JPM money. Pain is pain and Dorinda should be more sensitive.
I also wonder if Tinsley was a good house guest. Do Sonja’s comments come from supplying all of Tinsley’s needs? If a long term guest didn’t contribute anything, groceries etc. I might assume they had nothing until the bf comes along. What Sonja did wrong was saying anything within Dorinda’s earshot. Is Dorinda the Sheree of NYC?
Ramona’s hair looked so much better in the talking head. It wasnt so messy. As for Tinsley, she is dressing as though she misses her 20’s when she was the It girl. She is not anymore, get over it.
Sonja went to the press with information that should never have been shared. Even if true, Sonja knew Tinsley was having issues and she totally violated her trust. Sonja also made up stories about Lu and told the press. I would be furious.
Sonja DOES love to call up Page Six on the girls and half the time there is barely a grain of truth to what she says.
After seeing what Sonja expected of LuAnn as a hostess for ONE weekend, I have no interest in her opinion regarding how a houseguest should behave. It was another instance of her lack of self-awareness and huge sense of entitlement.
Buy me a blender. Wtf?
Muffintop – Sonja divorcing her husband? It was the other way around. He divorced her. Because she was fucking around on her old man sugar daddy. The only thing Sonja is mourning regarding that marriage is the loss of her socialite jet-setting lifestyle and the free-flowing money at her disposal. Money that she used to go to the south of France to have her trysts. Please. No pity here for her irresponsible behavior.
If you are willing to marry a rich man several decades older than you, with a lack of mutual interests like clubbing and partying, reasonable people are going to assume its not because of a sexual attraction. They are going to assume it’s about the money. Fine. To each their own IMO. That said, if you are going to walk that walk, then for the love of god, show some commitment to that man, show some restraint, and close your legs to other men. Sonja chose to assume she could have both the moneyed old man and also have him finance her trysts. No pity here for her. She is a grown ass woman who made terrible choices and is now paying the piper and she is not liking it.
Sorry…but..Tinsley has/had a very successful handbag & clothing line in Japan, 2 books, beauty ambassador for Dior. She also made money off of real estate development. She does have money of her own. I actually think she has more money than Scott. To be sure…I’ll try and provide reciepts 🙂
Tinsley did “design” a handbag collection of sorts almost ten years ago and that was part of her plot line on her dreadful reality show, High Society. I’m pretty sure that I watched every episode, although it was a short season, not because it was good in any way, but because I was fascinated by the positively odious behavior of her group of “high society” friends. I’ve been around and around and around and have never seen anything quite so appalling. Topper appeared rarely. I doubt that her handbag line ever became a regular thing. That was the era of the handbag craze when everyone and their dog was designing/flogging handbags and she hopped on the bandwagon.
Thank you for the background information, it clarifies a lot. I was really disturbed by Dorinda’s attack on Sonya and completely agree with your summation that it was ridiculous to compare someone’s loss and grief to another’s. I felt for Sonya last night and hope the women ( Ramona, Luanne) come to her defence in the next episode. Not entertaining to watch at all. Ok Sonya can be a bitchy queen at times but on the whole she’s harmless. I mean I get that Sonya can be nasty nice but really Dorinda get a grip if the worst thing someone can say behind your back is that you look fat in your Halloween costume you need to get a life ffs.
Truly, none of them had their child essentially taken away except Sonya. Losing time with your children hits people harder as they age.
I think Doronda had alcohol issues.
I don’t think they were even drinking yet when she exploded on Sonja. Notice, we’ve never seen Dorinda explode on Bethenny and we probably never will. I think they would both burst into flames!
The have fought once, but avoided the bursting in flames when Dorinda’s hand started bursting blood.
These women are coming unhinged! It’s the second show of the season!
This is what I think too — how can it be this much of a shit show by episode 2? Everyone is hating on and sniping at one another. All the yelling, I can’t even follow half of the conversations.
I hope they settle down a bit, having gotten all of this venom out so early. Not a pleasant episode to watch.
I feel like NY and Potomac are picking up the slack for Atlanta’s underwhelming season and BH straight out boring season. I’m not sure why Potomac isn’t getting recaps, but this season is ?
When I’m depressed, I drink too much, and I have an extremely short fuse. I think Dorinda is depressed, and may not even realize it.
I think so, too, Amanda.
Sonja is sweetness and light in person, but is known for selling stories and taking jabs behind their backs. Smiling faces, they lie. 😉 Maybe Do’s just been nursing that grudge for too long. Add in booze, and it’s a perfect storm. [I’m convinced she charges for those Wed night parties at the TH. If so, more power to her.]
TT has it right above. All these women are broken in some way, and that’s what makes them RH material. Have whittled down RH to a few eps of BH and NY. Watching women play to stereotype and go after each other like cats in a bag has lost its entertainment value for me. I hope NY doesn’t go too far down that road, or it, too, will be unwatchable.
GFY
Sonja is delusion and confusion in person. There’s no sweetness there at all.
Cynics. I am sad for you.
And you missed the fucking point. Sweetness and light to their FACES. Jesus.
I did not miss the point. She is NOT sweetness to their faces. To Ramona’s face she talked about Ramona’s romances, to their faces she talks about crazy businesses and adventures that never happened. She talks about JPM as if her divorce was last week. She took very mean jabs at Tinsley, to her face.
You’re right, Mary. She’s had mostly light whimsical or Grey Gardens moments, but she’s changing. It’s sad.
My apologies. Being accused of being Sonja just pissed me off because I don’t believe I was particularly fanning on Sonja. I took it out on you.
Usually the pointing people who say so and so isn’t happy are not happy either and Dorinda already is showing she is not happy.
Sonja made an enemy when she made the coke comment a couple seasons ago. Dorinda is out for blood.
At times Sonja has terrible judgement / She has always been 1 of my favs she is just out there and she is a riot,she has not been 1 to hide a whole lot.
Now Dorinda calling out that Sonja cheated and got left is a stunning revelation if it is true.
I have never been 1 to want to see the worst in people but these women just have a way with letting their bad side come out. episode 2 and already they act like they need a break from eachother.
Tinsley did an interview she brought up the fact you just do not talk about money
I wonder if Sonja’s issue is she isn’t wealthy anymore and because Tinsley stayed with her she should of paid part of or half the household bills and never offered and that pissed Sonja off.
My guess LuAnn was more generous.?
Oh wow. I had to google this. I didn’t remember that at all. For the record, I don’t care if anyone does coke, or any drug of their choice, for that matter. I just always think it’s interesting when they do it while being filmed for a reality tv show.
I love Dorinda too, but man that ragey persona is scary. Is she on meth or coke?!?!?!? Cuz I thought her eyes were going to pop out.
Rage and coke go hand in hand – in my experience.
What drug was alleged as being used by Dorinda and John at the reunion? Coke? Did Sonja bring it up?
Yes it was coke, Bethenny hinted at it during the same reunion too.
Hmm. I haven’t seen anything that made me think she was on anything but alcohol. Lots of alcohol. Dunno.
I’ve never known a person to make nonsense sounds like Dorinda unless they are mixing a strong drug with alcohol. Just sayin.
I have on the show in past seasons. There is no doubt in my mind that she and John do coke.
Thats what I thought too. Meth or coke fuels explosive uncontrollable rages like that. Dorinda looked close to putting her hands on Sonya even. I felt scard just watching it. Why is tragedy a contest anyways? In some ways missing what you lost by your own hand, is worse than a death, because you have to live with knowing you did it to yourself. Some never get over a divorce. Why judge it? Sonya probably never thought out the consequences, and how its not so easy to find love and comittment. She may have figured it would all work out, and instead shes a lost soul and paid a high price. Shes having to deal now with the typical problems of being more attracted to men that arent suitable or going to last. The pickings are very slim in middle age.
Janet – pickings are not slim in middle age if you have the right attitude and focus on being the best you can be FOR YOURSELF. A strong, happy, confident woman is very attractive to a man at any age. There are plenty of great men out there wanting to match up with a more mature woman who possesses solid qualities and takes care of her appearance without looking like a plastic freak trying to pass herself off as 20yr. old.
I am a 52-year-old reasonably attractive woman who found a fabulous man 4 years after my husband died. Before committing to this man I was wooed by several other men. Every single one of them told me they love more mature women. They appreciate the strength and confidence that comes with age. My present husband told me that he was drawn to me because of my age! He figured mature woman have so much more to offer a relationship. BTW- he is 4 years young than me. One of my dates was 10 years younger than me so we are not talking about ancient men here!
It’s all about the attitude. These NY women on this show all seem to either fish in the same man pool or have ridiculous expectations from a man, or they are looking for that fantasy man that meets their ridiculous expectations, or they lack the maturity and confidence that a good man is looking for.
It has nothing to do with being “middle aged”.
Aviva was right. Sonja is on a downward spiral like Anna Nicole.
Sonja is facing the, “empty nest syndrome.” Her daughter doesn’t really need her. Sonja can’t contribute to even selecting a college for her. It’s been determined that she will be attending Harvard, or wherever her father’s money will be welcomed.
It seems like all the ladies apart from Luanne are trying to push Sonja away, looking at what we are in store for, even Ramona is distancing herself from her. Do you think this is the end of the road for Housewife Sonja and she will be losing the apple!!!
Remember that the producers work on developing each person’s storyline. Who cares if the others are distancing themselves from Sonja. Better to watch her cleaning out her closets than watching Carol feed her cat. But that’s just me.
Seems the RHONY have saved each others dirt and now that it’s mad day, ours time to spill out all.
The thing is I believe it all. I think Dorinda and John do like to party and probably do “blow rails” as least once in a while. I think Sonja probably did fool around on her husband even though she made it seem like he left her for her friend all these years.
I think Romana probably did have a thing with get contractor Mario. Wet were all reminded tonight about the way she answered the door when he first came over. Who doesn’t put on a robe!
This is why Bethenny tries to keep cast mates as arms length. Like Wendy Williams said today, a friend is just an enemy on the back burner. (Not my real feeling but I get their point.)
So far this seems like it’s going to be a good season. I love NY!
That was uncomfortable to watch.
Dorinda needs someone to talk to or an outlet for her feelings. The veneer of ‘making it nice’ seems to be hiding a lot of repressed and unresolved feelings, that unfortunately bubble to the surface when alcohol is involved. I completely get it and the hurt and fury she must feel at her husband dying is not something that will fully disappear.
Whilst her and Sonja’s situations are different, they’ve both experienced the lives they envisioned for themselves slipping through their fingers and could probably find a lot of common ground. ❤
Sonja’s “nice nasty” behavior has been showing since season 5 but is finally being called out. That said, I believe she’s experiencing a break down that I also believe has been happening for several seasons now and the women need to try and persuade her to seek professional help.I believe Sonja can’t come to terms with her past disappointments and she resents all of the women but especially Tinsley who still has her money, invitations to NY Society events and now Scott. Lu thinks Sonja’s her friend but Sonja is in survival mode and clinging to Lu because she desperately needs to someone to film with since the other women want nothing to do with her.
I like Carol so far this season. I’m not sure what happened to her the last few seasons but she’s beginning to look the more like the confident Carol we saw her first season on the show and I don’t think Bethenny will have an easy adjustment as Bethenny didn’t know Carol then.
Bethenny seems to be little be put off by Carol and Tinsley’s friendship and I can sort of see why. I I think Bethenny needs to have stability in her friendship since she lacks it in her family life and Carol needs to balance forming a new friendship with nurturing existing ones.
Lu looks so refreshed and vibrant given the hell she endured with Tom that’s its kinda said seeing the happy Lu in these episodes knowing what lies ahead for her. She like most have a short memory of their own interactions with people. She thinks Tinsley was mean to her when they met for dinner but she forgets how mean she was to Tinsley in Vermont. She had not one drop of empathy and Bethenny was the only one to acknowledge her behavior and apologize.
Speaking of Tinsley, I thinks she goes off on Sonja next week and after that I hope she just drops Sonja and keep it moving. She’s her best when she keeps it light and fun like she did last season and I hope she and Scott work it out. I’d love to see a RHONY wedding.
Ramona seems muted so far which I guess is ok but as annoying as she can be I hope she doesn’t pull a Lisa Rinna and pull so far back that you forget she’s even there.
Finally, Dorinda. Wow. I still like her be she needs help just like Sonja but for maybe slightly different reasons
Dorinda jumped into a relationship with John too soon after Richard’s death; like six months later. It takes years to get over a spouse’s death, especially when it was a happy marriage. Dorinda is stuck in the anger cycle and masking with booze due to the guilt of feeling angry. Dorinda was over the top last night but Sonja brought all her problems on herself and can’t admit it and everyone is tired of her whining. A big insult comparing your poor choices over losing a loving husband. Sonja will never live on the street by having a wealthy daughter.
I just love Lu’s house. The view, the size, just a piece of heaven. Sigh…
I am sort of over Dorinda evolving into either Slurinda or Angry Spice depending on if there is an avalanche of alcohol or a sudden snow storm.
Angry Spice LOL
^^^ So Funny, and true!
What the Hell is wrong with Ramona? She has an artist come to her home to hang some of his art for her live with for a while, and she puts them to work moving furniture! That is about the rudest thing I’ve ever seen. She seems to tell herself that, because she acknowledged it’s wrong to ask them for help, it’s ok to ask them for help. IT’S NOT OK! She’s got one Hell of an ego.
Mary, Ramona has always had this sense of entitlement. I am appalled by the way she treats people who work for the resorts they stay at on cast trips. She does like to order people around in a way that says a lot about her character.
HOWEVER. When it comes to having a couple of able bodied men in your house, when you are of a certain age and live alone, I’m quite guilty of asking for a few things here and there when the opportunity presents itself. Luann could have done the same thing by batting her eyelashes and saying something like, “I’ve had these chairs sitting her for weeks and simply have no way to get them up the stairs myself, Would it be too much to ask…”
I would say that you should know this Mary, but I recall you stories of you doing a lot of heavy lifting around your place.
It would never occur to me to ask someone else to do it for me, unless it was someone I’ve hired to do that job. And, if I hired someone to do a job, I would treat them much better than Ramona treats the people she feels she is above, which is pretty much everyone. Having worked with my Aunt who was an artist, I just can’t imagine for second, asking someone like that to haul my furniture.
Something was very sad about the Sonja and the preview for the next episode. Her sitting there with her up-do, in a suit, at the end of the table away from everyone trying her best to eat healthy while Ramona is being mean to her. It just made my heart sink a little.
I get Sonja has brought a lot of this on herself and I’m not really a fan of hers anyway, but it’s like expecting an insane person to behave sanely, then getting mad when they don’t. Sonja is not a normal human, so I don’t know why they expect her to act as such. Being mean and raging on her is almost cruel. Like beating up the runt of the litter. I just find it all too easy and unnecessary.
Remind me why Ramona is so down on Sonja now? Is she just going along with the crowd or did I miss what caused their falling out?
Something about being missing all summer, I think?
I agree EDub. It felt a little gross having Sonja say she’s been depressed for years one minute and Dorinda screaming in her face (for a comparison that wasn’t made – at least on camera) the next. Sonja’s far from innocent, but I don’t think she can take the blame for that particular explosion.
The comparison was made on camera when Sonja told Dorinda they heard her sob story about her dead husband thousands of times. And that’s when Dorinda lost it & said Sonja got divorced over 15 years ago after cheating on her spouse in the south of France.
Dorinda drew the paralells herself by bringing her dead husband in to the conversation. She tried to play the ‘my pain is greater’ card, got a response and flew off the handle.
I’m not a ‘white chick’ or even a chick for that matter, so you can take your assumptions and go run with them! Maybe back to your flock of sheep (?) since the ‘popular’ opinion is so important to you. ???
TT, I think Ramona mentioned not hearing from her all summer, but didn’t seem that upset about it while they were shopping in the first episode, so not sure what the issue is now. It’s all weird.
Ramona said earlier in the season that she reached out to Sonja when filming wasn’t going on and Sonja blew off all of her attempts to hang out with her and was unresponsive so she felt like Sonja didn’t care about their friendship like she used to.
Also, just in this last episode Sonja tried to make Ramona look like a slut by saying she slept with a contractor, which may or may not be true given Sonja’s track record of delusions, and in any event, Ramona chose to deny so it was at the very least Sonja revealing something Ramona did not want her “friend” to make public if not her outright making up crap about her.
I think Ramona was pissed off about Sonja saying that Ramona had something going with her contractor, Mario. Then Sonja went on about how Ramona meets men hard and leaves them easy, or something like that.
Ramona was throwing herself at Mario, ON CAMERA.
I know, but did she actually have a romance with him? He said he was married. If she did, it’s certainly not right to bring it up on camera. If she didn’t, it’s a flat out lie and should not be told.
I think Ramona was just playing up for the camera. Silly behavior which should embarrass her, but I don’t for a second believe she’d truly have an affair with the contractor. Perhaps Sonja behaves that way (she has been filmed throwing herself at multiple men/plumbers/other repairmen who come to her house) but I don’t think Ramona does.
I always get the feeling from Ramona that she is throwing herself at people because the flirting makes herself feel good. I’m not sure how seriously the men take her. When she flirts hard at a married man who says he is married, I think that is just her mugging for the cameras.
I find it interesting that when Erika firmly reprimanded Teddi for calling her a liar without even raising her voice, Twitter immediately went crazy and wanted Erika gone from the franchise. But when Dorinda has a full blown alcohol fueled rage the Twittersphere applaudes her.
I think it’s because we all watched Sonja accuse Dorinda of using drugs at the season 8 reunion and bad mouth Dorinda in the press all of those between the time they started filming last season(season 9), hence Dorinda’s blow up at Sonja in the Hamptons last season.
11 minutes in and already Ramona has pissed me off having those poor chaps moving her furniture!
That amazes me. That was an artist and assistant who were there to HANG ART. I have an Aunt who was an artist. From time to time we would go into certain venues or someone’s home to hang a few pieces of her art. We were NEVER asked to anything except hang the paintings or place the sculptures. This is wrong on so many levels.
Ramon is going to be in TROUBLE with Bethenny! She just posted in her blog that the reason Carole wasn’t invited to stay with her is because she was “had Dennis with her”. Oops! I mean who cares, but Bethenny will!!
I think Dorinda does have it out for Sonja from the coke comments at the reunion. She has been super aggressive with her ever since.
I go back and forth with Sonja. Is she just quirky? drunk\drugged? or playing a part? Not really sure.
Sadly, I believe Sonja has some serious problems and this is just another case of Bravo exploiting mental illness. Sonja has been saying terrible things about a lot of the cast and she says it to the press. I’d be mad as Hell.
I love Dorinda’s dinner in Heaven remarks!! She is too funny!!
We always try to “understand” these women, and this is my favorite show- i look forward to Wednesday night!?
But honestly, if we don’t work into the mix that they do coke, many/all have been on adderal for various periods and seasons, and finally, THERE IS SERIOUS PRESCRIPTION MED ABUSE GOING ON while using alcohol, then we have learned nothing.
Ramona must be off all forms of speed this season, which is why she is not hyped up- it could also explain her distance from Sonja. When you’re not all jacked up, why would you want to run all night with Sonja? Dorinda’s slurring speeches do not happen on alcohol alone, guaranteed. Bethanny being crazy last year on LuAnn, now Dorinda on Sonja, that again, is evidence of drug use, fueled by booze. Last but not least, Sonja mentioned one season her vodka and diet pill diet. Speed again fueled by booze. And if anyone thinks Sonja was/is only on antidepressants, I may have a townhouse in NY for you to purchase!
Ugh! Sonja is making me so pissed off with her nonsense about anti-depressants.
She sounds like a $cientologist complaining about anti-depressants as if they are such a horrible thing. The fact is, when prescribed by doctors properly and used by patients properly, they are helpful to many people in managing depression and anxiety.
Her blaming anti-depressants on gaining weight is just more narcissistic delusional behavior where she has to be a victim at all times and won’t take any accountability for anything that happens to her… in this case her gaining weight from eating poorly.
To beat an old adage to death, even a broken clock is right twice a day. Sonja could be falsley blaming meds for weight gain, but I have personally witnessed family members rapidly gaining weight (one after starting Lexepro). In fact, with Lexepro, there is such an issue of cholesterol levels going up with the weight gain that my step-child’s doctor insisted on blood tests to monitor it. So it is a real thing. Maybe it is for Sonja, maybe not. But not an entirely specious claim about anti-depressants.
kkbella ..You’re spot on. I can attest to this because of my own skeltons. Drinking while on adderal is a disaster waiting to happen
How long ago was Sonja’s divorce that she’s still using it as an excuse? Her daughter is at boarding school and her lawsuit is her own fault. She wants to be a victim so bad but there’s nothing in her life to pity other than her obvious mental issues.
Sometimes Sonja seems almost as if she’s suffering from some kind of marital Stockholm Syndrome. I remember a few seasons back she was agonizing over taking his formal oil portrait down and putting it in storage. That same season he continued to refuse to pay the 3 million dollar divorce settlement he admitted he owed her. But after some initial anger, she continued to describe him as a great man about whom she had nothing bad to say. Did he ever pay her? I don’t recall that he did. That could drive some people bonkers. This is all to say that maybe there is something deeply rooted in her attachment to the trauma of that divorce and the thin veneer of him as “best friend” and “great man”. Maybe she’s squashing all the rage with a fallible balm of booze and boys and big talk. Just feels to me like some of that crazy comes from feeling powerless. I worry about her.
It’s possible there was never a settlement to be had. Sonja may have felt she deserved it, but if it’s true she cheated on him, it’s quite possible he never paid it because he didn’t owe it. I find it plausible that Sonja’s attorney told her that she should have a sizeable settlement, but JPM had better attorneys and, when all was said and done, she got the townhouse. The daughter was sent to boarding school at JPM’s expense, so there was no child support and she cheated, so there was very little settlement for her. I don’t know, but I can imagine this is how it worked out.
Good point. I hope she can get herself together. She may be the poster girl for delusions of grandeur, but at her best I find her sweetly appealing.
Tinsley is annoying. Why does she keep trying to get at Luann. She doesn’t even know her all like that to keep trying to stick her nose in Luann’s business. Maybe it was because of the Palm Beach/West Palm Beach argument last season.
Ramona does seem a little more grounded this season yet there she was ordering people around again.
I just love Dorinda but she sure is mean when she’s drunk.
Both Dorinda and Erika, to me, have similar ways of “loosing it”. Could be a symptom of IED (Intermittent Expressive Disorder), not a psychologist so not sure. But scary when women I otherwise like seems to go “off on others” in such extreme ways that don’t merit that amount of aggressiveness.
Dorinda doesn’t have much of a storyline so far, husband long dead, boyfriend still a jerk, daughter who hates boyfriend all moved out of Mom’s apartment. Maybe she is trying to manufacure one by luring Sonja into confiding she still hasn’t gotten over Tinsley leaving her for Carol. Don’t like this look on Dorinda, whatever the reason and she is quickly loosing me as a Dorinda fan.
Someone calling me a coke head on national tv would make me yell. Calling me a liar is one of the things that sends me over the edge. You could call me a c*nt and I wouldn’t bat an eye but don’t call me a liar. We really don’t see everything that happens and while I think Sonja would be fun at first, she would drive me insane long term.
I have grown wary of Sonja’s delusions in regard to her life, blaming her divorce for everything and just being nuts in general. I do feel sorry for her but am over it. I love Dorinda, I do think she is angry her husband died, I also think she hasn’t dealt with t at all and is trying to shove it all down. Luann cracks me up, sometimes I get annoyed at her and others I am cheering her on. Carole is pissed Bethenny has a boyfriend and she doesn’t, that’s my take anyways. And that would be why their friendship is frayed. I kinda like Tinsley a lot, she just seems so naive to me about certain things and I do hope she and Scott get back together and get married.
I didn’t realize Dorinda was super wealthy during her marriage and now has less. Why didn’t she inherit when her husband died? Was his money family money? Or was it his income? She still seems to have lots of money, but others above, including Tamara, have mentioned her reduced standard of living now.
But if she’s living off what he left her, it’s going to dwindle, right? If someone left me 5 million beans, and my NY apartment was 70k a year to rent, and my taxes and upkeep on my Berkshires house were $50k, and my living expenses another 150k, I’ll be plowing through about a million every four years, and the cost of living rises while the principle sum is growing smaller. In 8 years the money would be more than half gone. Not that I worry about it, because nobody is going to leave me 5 million beans.
dorinda was left pretty well off — an apartment in nyc, a mansion in the birkshires! she is no pauper. i can understand her anger at sonja for comparing her 2 minute marriage which ended in divorce due to sonja’s messing around (first time i heard this) to her losing a husband she loved prematurely to a horrible illness. sonja’s marriage was years and years ago and she talks like she is a Morgan! she is soo delusional! how about requesting lu get her a blender/ninja — why didn’t she just bring it from home? and no recognition or thank you to luanne and no acknowledgemt of bringing her dog without notice. everytime there are stories on page six they always lead back to sonja! this is not the first season this has happened. i understand dorinda saying she’s nice but stabbing you at the same time!!!! look at what she said about tinsley! sonja very jealous and needs a lot of therapy — definitely not too far from Gray Gardens!!!! or she’s already there! what happened to her clothing line? or sonja in the city party business?
Loved Lu calling the shop owner by his name and bending over backwards for her house guest. The comment in the store about the toaster oven was priceless! Her house is so yummy, far prefer it over Ramona’s.
Oh Ramona, the sense of entitlement is really obnoxious and makes me soo uncomfortable. I’m always ambarressed for her when she treats people like she does! I’ve asked for help sure but she is a tyrant! Wonder if she’ll keep the paintings and not pay? I liked the paintings except the one she said looked like fish…who’s the artist on SCNO? His work is amazing!!!
Beth and Tins look better this season; Ramona, Lu, Carol, and especially, Sonja, look a little worse for the wear. “worse for the wear” is something I remember from my childhood, but don’t know exactly what is means but seems fitting for these four.
Hmm, I’ve read these comments and tried to decide what I think about this blow up by Dorinda. I could look back but I do recall seeing champagne flutes with oj, so maybe mimosas? Not a high power cocktail…I think Dorinda was stirred up in a frenzy for a couple of days prior to brunch. Somehow Sonja pulled the short straw and shit flew! I have a soft spot for Sonja, I find her a bit “touched” and very unable to live in the real world without a lot of support by everyone around her. Some one listed her many poor adult choices and if true and these ladies know them to be true she would be exhausting to be close to in friendship. I too think she needs some real mental health intervention. The anideppresants were probably a decent start but her vanity after gaining a few pounds won over, sad! Seems like you could juice and avoid alcohol and loose some pounds on an antidepressant…just saying.
Dorinda has a large personality. She’s highly opinionated and passionate about those opinions when pushed that one little step too far she blows. Alcohol seems to be part of that last step but I do think in this case she’s tried to be sympathetic to Sonja but the last walk they had shed light on her way of twisting reality. Like she said, you come away bleeding and you never felt or saw a thing. I think Dorinda needs nome help too, she obviously isn’t healed enough from the loss of her husband. I use the word “enough” because I’ve never experienced such a loss but I would imagine you never completely heal. Things I assume trigger the pain and anger but a point where the emotions are managable “enough” to stay in a place that isn’t rage. Her going off like that must have been scary to witness in person, Sonja actually looked completely unfazed!
I came away from that whole scene scared for both of them. We know what’s in store for Lu and how she handles her loss. Very sad really, they could/should all be a real support system for each other.
@D: The difference in Sonja from being calm and rational on Scary Island till now is night and day. I bet her running to the press is what they are all angry about.
It’s the running to the press with lies that is making them all so angry and I don’t blame them. Even if Sonja was telling complete truth to the press, it should never be said. The Sonja we met years ago is not this sad, feeble woman we see now. She needs help and I no longer find her entertaining. I find her sad.
I second what Spunky and JAM said. The Sonja from Scary Island was kind, calm and generally a sweetheart.
What we’ve seen since then is a spiral into a total mess. It’s hard to parse out which is the chicken and which is the egg. I see mental health problems, insecurity, promiscuity, addiction(s), panic over her finances, and a total lack of self awareness.
I think a combination of jealousy, attention seeking, and maybe money grubbing (does Page 6 pay their sources?) is driving her running to the press with fake/exaggerated stories. I’d be furious, too. The fact that she took the jitney to the Hamptons while her friends carpooled should have been a wakeup call. Of course, seeing how Bravo manipulates these storylines, there is always the chance that production had something to do with that.
Sonja “says the divorce and the lawsuit, and her daughter preparing for college was just a lot at one time for her and the antidepressants made her gain weight. Dorinda has no compassion for this story at all.”
Correct me if I’m wrong but it seems to me Sonja’s divorce was a decade or so ago and the lawsuit almost as long ago, while “her daughter preparing for college” was only a year, perhaps two years, ago. Therefore, this series of events did not all happen “at one time”.
I think Dorinda had every right to go postal on Sonja. Sonja comparing her failed marriage (which apparently ended because of something SHE did) to Dorinda’s marriage, which ended because her spouse died would have sent me right over the edge, too. Apples and oranges. I just think Dorinda has had it with Sonja’s BS and she’s sick of Sonja playing the “woe is me” card, when it seems like Sonja was her own undoing!
ramona having the artist move furniture and fix things was disqusting! bethenny called her out on her behavior and entitlement past seasons and she was right. an embarassment to watch. highly unlikely sonja will rent out her townhouse for the $$$ she wants in the condition its in. talks abt her divorce like it was last week, surprising her daughter is even allowed to be in her company considering her public behavior and drunk sexcapades, striptease and her rotation of sexual partners of all ages! some she knows and some she just picks up! I could see her losing custody when her daughter was younger !!!!
Please read and purple pen Carole’s latest Bravo Blog. It is fire! The girl crush on Bethenny has been crushed.
Thanks for the heads up. I finally got a minute to do that.
http://tamaratattles.com/2018/04/21/my-purple-pen-takes-on-carols-poison-pen-this-week/
You rock!
I’m finally watching this on my DVR. So random thought #1: the scene at brunch with Bethenny, Carol and Tinsely reminded me of the scene on RHOBH with LVP, Kyle and Taylor, where LVP felt ignored as Bethenny did.
Oh, how fickle I can be with these reality personalities. I can love. love, love one during one season and be repelled by her the next season. Last year I loved drunk Dorinda. This year, her off-the-charts reactions to Sonja and finger pointing aggression is old already, and the season just started!
It’s scary how the show can be manipulated to make us love one minute and hate the next. I don’t think I have ever hated a HW more than I did Kenya on her first season. The she became one of my favorites.
With just a few episodes this season, they have me feeling sorry for Sonja. I started to lose my love for Dorinda last season.
Sonja on the bus!! Ha. Lu tolerating Sonja as world’s worst house guest! Ha! Omg there were several funny moments in this show. I love these ladies. I love Ramona scenes too of her being herself! Lighten up ladies it’s just a show!
Scrambled friendehip’s, no eggs a la frances where people are treated as human brunching bags. This is why Diners and Waffle Houses don’t serve cocktails.