Y’all. It has been a day, or maybe even a week here. I almost forgot to recap this show entirely because Lady C has gotten a life and doesn’t have time to pull photos for me and Southern Charm did not show up as having a new episode tonight. It was only because I added Station 19 to my DVR tonight that it alerted me that it conflicts with Southern Charm. Then Spectrum had the wrong show title in the episode guide. It’s all been a huge disaster.
Side note the proper episode guide says, “Kathryn finally meets Ashley, the woman determined to be the next Mrs. Ravenel.” Oh the shade of it all. Okay, let’s get going with this. Apologies in advance, for everything. I’m a giant mess today.
First of all we get a promo for Southern Charm New Orleans. It looks fantastic but I hate it is on after RHOA because the upcoming reunion shows are going to take a couple of hours to recap. That means that SCNO might get pushed to Monday morning. God my life is weird.
So we are back with raw chickens on the BBQ and T-Rav holding his new nursemaids hand in the limo. He is really going overboard to sell this as a real relationship. Oh and he called the recapper from Island Packet, a Hilton Head news outlet a tampon after her review last week. Thomas and I follow each other and get along on Twitter but I think this season might end that. He HATES the elderly carperbagger this season though so perhaps we can continue to bond over that.
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Our little Polo groupie is already asking Thomas to marry her and let her be the nanny. She seems completely clueless about Thomas and his cold feet. Thomas and Ashley arrive first. Most people are wearing decent clothes except for Shep who never knows how to dress, and Ashley in her cootie cutters. I have no idea whose house they are looking at. Did Shep by another property? Because Shep lives in a beach house ON THE BEACH in IOP. But IOP won’t let them film. I need to ask K. Cooper Ray or someone about this situation. Ah! Cameran just said it is a rental property. It seems like someone told me it’s on AirBnB sorry, I’m having an off night. I’m thinking I might keep this place as a rental property. It’s hard to give up a house that is paid for. It this blog thing ever stops being lucrative, I’m up shit’s creek.
Craig is nervous about seeing Naomi for the first time since they split. At least he has Sean waiting for him at home. Naomi is nervous too. Naomi said she had a hard time with the break-up and she feels like Craig did not. She doesn’t understand Craig at all. Who got gizmo in the divorce? Chelsea is not happy that Austen moved on and began dating her friend. Then they deservedly trash JD.
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The girls limo is full of anger toward pretty much all the guys. They are just going to party their asses off and have fun. When the girls arrive, Ashley is practically shitting her cootie cutters. Thomas is sweating like a whore in church. It’s hysterical. It’s so awkward because there are so many couples there that are broken up. Kathryn is drinking Red Bull out of a wine glass. Dorit would be HORRIFIED! LOL Shep tries to advocate for Craig. It’s awkward.
Kathryn has Ashley pegged for being dumb as a rock. They tell some random story about why Ashley moved to Charleston. We all know why Ashley moved to Charleston. I’m surprised she lasted the full season. She must be very good at what she does. It seems she has a lot of experience. Thomas knows exactly what he is dealing with here. JD arrives and the girls all get stank face. The girls flee and talk to Kathryn about the Ashley situation. She admits she still loves Thomas. I believe Thomas still loves her in the way that he is capable of loving someone. Naomie is very bothered by Craig. I HATE Naomie and Craig together and would rather see him with Kathryn. Or Sean. Naomie more interested in Craig now than she ever was in their entire relationship. She seems pissed he is fine without her constantly telling him he is not good enough and mocking his awesome embroidery skills.
The pregnant chick just wants to eat. So the guys come and join her. Starting with JD who no one wants to talk to. Cameran says pregnancy is not as bad as she thought. She likes having boobs. But she is not the kind of girl who loves being pregnant. She is eating a lot and got huge during the pregnancy.
Kathryn finds an opportunity to approach Thomas alone. They hug again. He says he likes her new hair color and tells her an old man blonde joke. Then Kathryn finds out that Thomas has violated the agreement by hiring a nanny without consulting her. Kathryn is handling it like an adult. Thomas said in confessional if this Kathryn had been present when they were together things would have been better. Well, Thomas, for one thing, she is off drugs, something that I’m not sure I can say about you. Then production sends in the polo chick.
She starts by saying she has had do much about her. Then she says that as the mother of Thomas’ children she has nothing but respect for him. Then she says that the children are beautiful. According to the custody agreement, this bitch is not supposed to be around her kids. So Kathryn is taken back that she has met her children. She says that Thomas never mentioned he had a girlfriend. Well, Kathryn, you seemed to know in the car on the ride over she was coming. At the very least production told you are my myriad of posts about this little number. Kathryn handles it all like a young lady of breeding and impeccable manners. So for the Kathryn haters out there, sober Kathryn out from under all of Thomas’ bad influences is a different person.
Finally everyone is at the dinner table. The topic turns to JD. He says Elizabeth doesn’t want him but she also doesn’t want him to be with anyone else. No, asshole, she doesn’t give a shit what you do. You fleeced her out of her entire inheritance that ALLEGEDLY went right up your nose. Shut up and sit down. The women are stewing at the table. Except for Ashley who it looks like Thomas if fingering under the table.
Craig, Shep and Cameran talk about how weird it is for Craig to see Naomie inside the house. Then Thomas and Ashley come up and lock themselves in the bathroom. You know what happens when people lock themselves in the bathroom? It’s not sex. Go ask Lisa Rinna.
Meanwhile, JD will not shut up about pretending that he loves Elizabeth. Bitch please. You missed a kid’s birth out on a three day bender, you spent her entire inheritance, you screwed half of Charleston, and you are a piece of shit. I am not even going to dignify that with an allegedly. Let’s go to court and air your shit out. Finally, Naomie stops this bullshit show.
Naomie says that that he should have been a better husband. JD wants to know why she would say such a thing. Um, because your behavior is all over the Internet? I think this is the episode that Haymaker wanted my headline for. But I swear to God that production company is so fucked up. It’s usually a simple release. I generally give an electronic signature and don’t even ask for money. Anyway it was a shit show and so far no one has given them rights to use their site in the show. I’ve been calling JD out as a fraud for several seasons. He is not Southern, he’s from fucking Colorado or somewhere and he’s a slime ball masquerading as a southerner. Just like Patti. At least Patti is “southern adjacent” from Florida or wherever the hell she is from.
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Back to the episode. Naomie says she goes to his house every day and picks Elizabeth up from her bed. He literally destroyed Elizabeth from what I am told. She trusted JD. She over looked the cheating. And the benders. And then he bankrupted her. JD says they both made mistakes. Her only mistake was trusting his lying ass. Naomie says he is out every night fucking twenty year olds. Chelsea pipes up with the fact he is a con artist. Naomie says everyone at this table knows he is a complete piece of shit. JD leaves and that is likely the last we will see of him.
Meanwhile Thomas and Polo chick come out of the bathroom having missed the whole thing. Craig thinks they were hooking up. I don’t I thinking people were doing coke in Shep’s bathroom. Then Shep goes to the bathroom because suddenly he needs to wash his feet. Thanks Thomas! Whitney comes up to join the inside crew.
Craig goes to comfort Naomie. Does Craig have dip in his mouth? That seems so not Craig but something is going on with him. At any rate, they are both drunk. What is going on with Craig’s mouth? Is that a coke thing? I barely remember the coke times. lol. Naomie cries about breaking up with Craig. Bullshit. She move on immediately on IG to gay guys. She has a type.
Finally we are past the BBQ at Shep’s AirBnB. Naomie and Kathryn meet for tea in the morning. They were the only two who didn’t drink much. Kathryn cries about JD and Elizabeth and how she sees parallels between her and Thomas. Both of those guys are deceptive. Kathryn says she wants to have friends again because she pushed everyone away for Thomas. Naomie promises she is a real friend. Meh. I am not fond of Namomie because I’m #TeamCraig but whatever. And I want Kathryn to have a friend.
Then we get Thomas and the polo chick who seems to think a fake pearl necklace will make her appear southern. I can’t with this trick. Thomas says Ashley fits better with him than Kathryn did because he was trying to fit Kathryn into a square hole. Oh Thomas. You are so full of shit and you dick time is limited. You need to get SOMEONE before your dick stops working. Choose wisely. This polo chick is WORKING YOU. Will she be there til the end? Oh sure, she may even try to expedite the end and get it all. Kathryn on the other hand LOVES YOU despite it all and You LOVE her to the best of your meager ability to do so. JUST STOP THIS RIGHT NOW. You are going down a path that is documented on TV and your children do not need to see.
Thomas Ravenel is an idiot for not being with Kathryn.
Thank you for reminding us of the most important question – where is Gizmo???
Yeah.. Who has that adorable chunk of fur
Gizmo is the most likable cast member. I do not want Katherine to end up with Tom. She deserves better than that slob.
Naomie has him.
Co-sign. She was asked on IG this question and replied that Gizmo (and the other kitty whose name escapes me) were her cats from way before Craig, She has custody of them both.
Yes! I want to see Gizmo! He’s the most interesting & best looking on this show!
I think I heard Craig say that he went back to Naomie’s parents.
I’m no expert but if they’d fricking leave the smoker, not barbecue closed? The meat would get done!
Haven’t watched, just in…apparently opinions about barbecue and smoking coming out of me…
So my boyfriend and his family are all big on the fancy smokers and from what he was saying while i suckered him into watching they needed to 1) put the ribs on waaaay before they did, 2) not flip the ribs because if they put them on when they should have and kept the temp consistent the ribs would have cooked them evenly the whole way through and 3) smokers get hotter when they are opened because the excess oxygen feeds into the coals/fire to make it hotter. So technically, every time they opened the lid it was actually increasing the temp/decreasing the cook time because it was making it hotter and the extra vent things should have been opened consistently throughout the process to let an equal amount of air in and keep the temp the same.
I hope I explained that accurately/ in a way that makes sense because there’s a lot that gets lost in translation while he’s explaining it to me!
Huh! Interesting, thank you Ellie! I learn something new everyday. DH has a smoker but it’s electric and I don’t use it at all, he manages it and I eat whatever he smokes…yummy.
Next week’s episode looks intense. JD shows up with Elizabeth just to make a point to everyone else he’s not a dirtbag. Naomie (I never know how to spell that name) looks pissed she stood up for Liz and Liz goes and accompanies JD to a party.
Maybe she needs the money from SC? If she is devastated she might a,so want the d-head back – unfortunately these horrible men seem to have no problem getting good women to love them – or she needs de programming from the Stockholm Syndrome. And she’ll always unfortunately be connecetd to him by their children.
I’ll add I thought they were divorced by now but during filming she may have wanted to get his paycheck for her kids rather than him snorting it & spending it on teenagers or ladies of negotiable affection. I wish Liz well & a JD free life.
Tough shit! She should mind her own f***ing business. Her ex-boyfriend looks like he’s on drugs. Worry about that.
I was Team Craig last year and still like him, but Naomie was probably just hard on him because they are not compatible and he grated a nerve. They are better off without eachother – no offense to either one. Probably both good people not so good together.
I hope Kathryn stays composed while maintaining her ability to not suffer fools gladly.
JD was nuts for even attempting this season. So sad he is gaslighting Liz. She is acting now like she has stockholm syndrome. He was always a ppretentious gaslighting prick trying to be the worst kind of “good ole boy.” The women didn’t blast him for air time. You could tell their was real anger there from Naomie and Danni. Kathryn probably has left over resentment for JD enabling and covering up for TRav.Those men are gross.
I will admit that if I were Naomie I would have been very resentful having to go along with Craig’s law school lie for as long as she did. It made her look as culpable for the lie as he was. Both of them probably would have been better off if they had split right then rather than let her resentment carry on into everything he said and did. Had they split then there may have been a chance for them to work out at a later date. At this point and with all the water that has gone under that bridge, I don’t see that happening.
This was a fabulous recap TT! Ashley and her cootie cutters! That one is a real piece of work who seems to be really working Thomas in every way she thinks will work – to get him dependent on her in a variety of ways – even bathroom ways. After all – if her quarry is rendered to be in a weakened state – he is less likely to think clearly and might do something very dumb like give in to her subliminal implants to marry her. Ashley does not appear dumb as a rock – she rather comes across, imo, as extremely conniving – not to mention classless. Thomas is WRONG that Kathryn never loved him. The truth is that Kathryn always loved Thomas and still does. And Kathryn is full of inborn class, grace, beauty, style, depth and real intelligence – that Ashley can never have – although she may try to approximate it with fake pearls. Also, sorry, but Ashley – in profile especially – is NOT pretty. She has a bent nose and is chinless – and looks like a disgruntled weasel. She will not age well. Kathryn on the other hand – is a thoroughbred – and the real deal. Also, Kathryn looked gorgeous in her black and white outfit with the Chanel necklace. Saint and Kensie deserve to have their parents marry and all be a family together. Two great Southern names. Thomas and Kathryn belong together.
Barf.
Oh, and yeah, Craig had a big ol chaw in his lip, just like that other gentleman Kroy Biermann runs around on camera with. So klazzy.
Seriously, couldn’t they spit it out for filming? I cringe at the spit it out part.
Sorry, those are not southern names. Bougie white trash names maybe. Southern names are actual names, like Charlotte, Georgia, Blake.
I am speaking about their respective family names – Ravenel and Calhoun. Both of these families have been in South Carolina since the 1700’s.
yes…I agree.
Ah, now I see?
OMG that is hilarious. She means their last names LOL.
I know a Shep and a Shap, both from old families in Montgomery. Cameran is a family name. Chelsea was popular all over as was Ashley though in the Deep South, Ashley is a male’s name. Thomas and Kathryn have established surnames but their called names would be used every where, Catholics like them as Saints names.
Not one of these first names are southern and have not a single thing related to the south in any way shape or form. She is talking about their last names, which no one even cares about anymore. Recognizing an old family name or a certain nationality went out with my Grandparents who are over 90. No one cares about that stuff anymore. Maybe Thomas does but he’s as old as my Dad.
Jen, I wish that was so–that no one judges based on name or where you were born– but it’s still a very Southern thing. Your name carries a lot of weight. I can’t think of a Southern town where that isn’t the case. I’d wager that it’s still a “thing” across the map.
The breakdown, and soon to be complete elimination of the family name can be attributed to two things. Feminism, and population overgrowth. I’d go in to a deeper explanation, but it would lead to arguments that are irrelevant because families are becoming extinct. People have babies outside of marriage on purpose now. The kid can take any last name that is chosen for him. Family lineage is no longer important to the new generations. It is leading to the entire breakdown of society. People don’t know their neighbors anymore. We’re morphing into a planet full of throngs of individuals who may or may not form relationships with others which are not often life long relationships.
So while there are still remnants of us that still value the family name and repurtation, that is not something that is being instilled on the youngest generations.
Taking pride in your family name, when widespread, was a deterrent of crime and immorality that along with religious belief keeps us all from stabbing each other in the neck and indulging in reckless behavior. Both religion and family cohesion are on the decline, and that will lead to a lot of bad things.
But yes, in the south, family names are very important. They can determine your employ-ability, marriage prospects, recreational opportunities and plenty of other things.
There is so, so, so much truth in this comment by Tamara. I love it so much I wish I could marry it, but it would probably just get knocked up.
Brilliant, TT!
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TT is 100% correct. She is a wise one.
In the Midwest, your surname and your high school establish so much about you. More so, perhaps, than a degree. Networking is still huge around here.
Ravenel is a fine name. Anyone recall how T-Rav’s dad gave him a little comeuppance for being a troublesome family member? Kathryn deserves better, but those two should marry and raise those children
Oh good lord, no. For the good and well being of those kids they should NEVER marry and subject the kids to the chaos that ensues when they are a couple. It’s an utter shitshow.
I agree, they should be together because they do love each other..there is a lot of real heartfelt passion between them..He never got to really know the true Katherine due to her actions before rehab..He also needs to grow the hell up, act his age, stop trying to keep up with the young crowd, stop the shop (women) hunting and he could be a great husband and father..yep, I am team Kat/T-Tab all the way..!!..
I was impressed by Kathryn’s description of JD’s deflection at the dinner table. It was the most articulate and incisive that I have ever heard from her. I think she does have some qualities that we haven’t seen before. I really hope she is truly healing, for her, her children, and all her relationships.
I agree. I was thinking as Kathryn was speaking how inherently intelligent and mature she really is – who’d a thunk it a couple of years ago? – and how everything Thomas has criticized her for (immaturity and no-class) describes him far more than her considering their relative ages. His slathering over parading his hooker chick in front of Kathryn (as if she’s not just waiting to get his money and have him croak) was a feather in his cap would embarrass him if he had an ounce of reflection.
While it wouldn’t be as interesting for the show, I think Kathryn should build her life, enjoy her kids and move forward without allowing TRav to torment her. A nice little air of nonchalance would go a long way. She could have so much in front of her if she handles herself wisely.
Kathryn has always been intelligent she was just crazy in love while drinking to much. I liked how she quickly pegged Ashley as dumb. Thomas wont suffer stupid fir very long.
I think no longer being isolated by the others will help her feel much more able to relax, just be herself, and look ahead more. She seems to me really intelligent, despite having fallen for TRav when very young. She could go far once she has a goal. She used to put a lot on social media about what she was reading, and it was interesting. Even in season 1, I remember when Thomas came home to break up with her she was sitting reading.
There is no inborn class or grace in Katherine. Every attempt at acting like a poised young woman obviously takes a huge effort and the poor thing looks exhausted afterward.
Being a descendant of a prominent person from the 1800s is nothing to hang your hat on really. That and $2.75 will get you on the bus in NYC.
Haha, most of the South is like that. It’s all about “Who’s your Daddy” instead if what can you do.
I have rarely found that to be true in the South. Yes, your name establishes certain things. But you are to uphold the name. The networking (I have found) comes from people who know you giving you credit.
Jesus judge much? Look inward. That level of vitriol is strange.
Scottishwitch you see the forest from the trees. Appreciate and agree w you.
TT love you and your honest wit and understanding of human nature! Oh if only everyone in life was as clear and honest!
@RHOA FROM THE START. Thank you so much, and I think you make a great point that such a level of vitriol is strange.
Sour grapes much?
@scottishwitch don’t pick on people because they don’t share your opinion. Others have a high level of vitriol when discussing Ashley. So what, read, don’t read, move on
@MuffinTop, I completely reject your false characterization. I was just agreeing with another poster and I do not believe either of us were picking on anyone. Kathryn looked and behaved like a lady. I personally doubt I could gave held it together with such grace and calm while my ex told me he flagrantly broke a custody agreement on points that vitally affect my children, as he keeps trying to goad me with Ms. “cootie cutters”. Bottom line- Ashley and Thomas locked themselves together in a bathroom, in a trashy way and with complete disregard for others (and this is the woman he is having around Kathryn’s children). In the meantime, Kathryn conducted herself with complete decorum and poise and articulation – nailing JD on his deflector routine. No vitriol. Just the facts.
Absolutely correct ScottishWitch.
Why are we always attacking the women when Thomas is the bigger dirtbag?? What he’s doing to both Kathryn AND Ashley by trying to play them against each other is much worse. He loves having women fight over him and it’s sad and pathetic given his age.
Let’s start a betting pool on how long before
Polo Troll “accidentally” gets pregnant. That “I want to have your babies” pillow talk SHOULD have been a wake up for ol’ TRav.
She sure seems to be trying. Thomas is not going to marry a polo girl.
Muffintop, it is not just a question of disagreeing with people, unfortunately.
One thing I notice is that Kathryn appears to rise above people making nasty comments on her social media – some are regulars in making mean comments, based on nothing.
Just today I see one of them asking under her posted photo if she has had a boob job. KD just generally ignores it.
Ashley and her close group of cronies are quite different, and attack Ashley’s critics relentlessly and very personally.
It certainly seemed to me that Laura M Schpect launched a gratuitous swipe at KD above – against the evidence we all saw in Ep 2. KD acted with decorum throughout. Ashley did not. KD also skilfully descalated the nanny discussion with Thomas, while making a valid point about why Thomas should have done the hiring process differently for the good of their children. Those are the facts.
de-escalated
Not sure why you think she has sour grapes. I know this may be a big thing in South Carolina, but being the descendent of prominent slave owners and the major proponent of secession is not considered an asset in the rest of the country. My father’s parents fled Russian pogroms and raised five honest, compassionate sons. My mother’s grandfather who raised her and who ran the machine shop in one of the textile mills in town, hired the first African-Americans to work in those mills and had them to his house for dinner in the 1930s and 40s. On Fridays, after all the mill workers were paid, he went to the bars and sent them home, so they didn’t drink up their paychecks and on Sundays, he gave the widowed mother who cleaned the church $5,00. Those are the kind of antecedents to be proud of.
@Betorah. You absolutely should be so proud of your family. My only point was that T and K have this in common. They have grown up in the same old historic city and their ancestors likely knew each other. There are points of commonality as one finds in some old English families. This in NO WAY makes them superior to anyone. And from my point of view no one is better than or less than anyone else in this world. But the reaction to that simple historic point was WAY over the top, which indicates that something not quite right was at play in the responses – which were – rather vitiolic – as in acidic – hence the “sour” grapes. Geeze Louise.
Definitely dip in Craig’s mouth. He was a baseball player after all. I’m so team Craig but I do think Naomi really loved him. She has a hard time being compassionate and/or kind. It’s her loss in the end. He actually has passion about the things he does and will make a great husband and father someday. I love that he sews!
I agree – I think they really cared for one another but she is an uptight, A-type that is very rigid and conservative about work etc, while Craig is more creative, flexible and entrepreneurial and so they clash.
I didn’t particularly like her last season, however if I reach into the dim dark past of my youth I had an intense relationship with someone who was wrong for me &we were ultimately incompatible. My lesson from the end of this was the acknowledgement tat my unhappiness and frustration made me unhappy & I didn’t like myself very much as I was behaving rather badly. Maybe this is Naomi?
Anyway I understand the awkwardness between them – they hurt each other & couldn’t understand each other despite the love. Craig can embroider, cook, garden & do DYI at my place as long as he likes! I think he should have got Gizmo in the split.
I get it. I can be so critical of my husband. I love him so very much but we even think differently. It can be very difficult and frustrating. I hate getting angry at him for just being himself basically. I have to remember that I chose to marry him and he chose me. My love for him is stronger than nit picking things that are not wrong but just different than I would do. I think Craig is great but just not right for Naomi. I believed they loved each other. It’s kind of sad seeing Craig this season. He seems bummed from the break up and his buddies are all assholes but the girls and it seems Naomi claimed them. I like Naomi though so not bashing her.
How can you respect and have compassion for Craig? Can you imagine you meet a man and start dating. He tells you he just graduated from law school and is taking the bar exam. Fast forward and she has to lie for over a year about the bar exam while the man you might want to settle down with is sewing, gardening, a clothing line (suuure), and real estate. All any woman wants to know is if the “man” they are with is actually a man and not a man-child. Craig has not worked since graduation which was 2013 or 2014. Well except for his failed intership. Everytime she asked him about his future and goals and if he really wanted to be a lawyer he would complain she didn’t support him. How do you support someone who does nothing? I think if he stuck to one thing and made it a career she would have been fine with it, in the meantime she was busting her ass every day at school and came home to him doing nothing.
Craig makes a good six figure income from the show. He is investing that income in rental properties to generate more income. He makes a lot more on the show than he would practicing law. I’m sure everyone knew Craig was not interested in practicing law until this gravy train ends. It’s a shame so many people believe his fake story line. But I don’t think he cares.
Knowing a man is a “man” not a man child! Ha! Me and every single one of my friends! Men don’t ever grow up. My husband and friend’s husbands are not losers doing nothing or running around cheating etc like JD but I see nothing wrong with Craig as a partner and probably a father. He’s a nice guy! Those are fucking rare. He has hobbies yes. So what! At least it’s not buying hookers and blow like some of his buddies. Men never grow up sweety. Lol. Realize that it always be disappointed!.
True, he is not a vile as Thomas but what happens when the show goes away. Imagine busting you ass everyday and coming home to a man not working. Investment properties aren’t easy to maintain and as much as you bring in for rent you still have to make repairs and pay for all maintenence. I’d rather be with someone who has a work ethic in case of hard times than someone relying on a reality show income.
Ok, everyone is seeing something that I’m not seeing. I realize people have problems with Ashley, I’m nogt sure why. I do know that Kathryn showed up for the cookout loaded for bear. She was ready to go when she first passed Ashley.
Thomas is getting old and nasty. That is why he advised Ashley to dress as a hoochie in heels and short shorts. He was waving the cape at Kathryn and she fell for it. You are letting him win Kathryn.
The same with naomi, she was vicious. I don’t care for Naomi and cant stand JD either. Still, one thing I know is that it’s not Naomi’s business and she should stay out of it. The best way to lose a friend is to go after their ex. It’s fun for everyone at first BUT if they ever get back together, the supportive friend is problematic and as enemy #1 is excluded. The supportive friend should spend time with her friend, nod, say I’m so sorry then drin, do lunch, shop, get your nails done anything but run that man down. Don’t do it until it’s long over.
I know where Cam was coming from. You guys go ahead with drink and drama, I need to eat ??
I actually don’t think K was loaded to bear. I think she kept composed. TRAV is so obvious. Ashley should look at the long game and acted with greater decorum. She kind of acted hoochie. In any case, no question she is a fan and knows what kind of guy TRAV is.
I think JD’s crimes were far beyond cheating and that’s why Naomie, D, and C went on on him. Both TRAV and JD are narcissists and gaslighters. At same point, people have to stop enabling.
I am no fan of JD, but was fascinated at his gaslighting techniques — innocent, who me?. Interesting way to deflect.
It occurred to me that JD and TRav both used the same tactic of kind of shrugging it off when the women called them out- Kathryn with his hiring the new nanny without bringing her in to the process and JD with cheating and burning through Elizabeth’s money.
Naomie and Liz friendship is over now, Naomie made it clear on Twitter
Liz said her part on twitter as well. Like I said, no matter the circumstances don’t go after someone’s ex. It never pays. Naomie probably thought that she would get a thank you.
I did that exact thing. Defended a very good friend who was cheated on repeatedly and left for another younger woman who was pregnant. Once he left the pregnant girl and went back to my friend she was no longer allowed to talk to me (and some others who defended her) and friendships were ruined. It sucks.
Any man who is allowed to control his wife’s friendships is bad news and your friend is in trouble emotionally.
This might be a friendship you are better without with her unwilling to defend her true friends.
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Naomi said what all of us viewers were thinking about that POS JD. She defended her friend Liz and now is getting thrown under the bus by Liz JD and all his supporters. Way to go Liz, or should I call you Brittany (Jax = JD). Wake up and smell the coffee Liz. No man is better than a POS man. You do not need this guy. You need friends more. Don’t burn those bridges with your friends over this douche bag.
One more thing to remember, when the POS is the father of the children, it is good not to run him down. As Tim Gunn says, you will never be sorry for taking the high road. Best to support your friend, spend time doing things that are fun, things that the POS didn’t enjoy doing but that she likes (and maybe missed doing). LISTEN to her vent about him, but set the boundaries early– you will listen but not join in. That way, you are a good friend and if they reconcile, you CAN REMAIN being a good friend.
Dry well said
Very well said
Geez this phone hates me
100%??
@UTattleTale 100%??
What kind of grown ass people lock themselves in the hosts bathroom? Does this happen at normal (not Bravo show) parties these days? I have two small-ish kids and haven’t been to anything more than birthday parties for 6 years in the last couple years but what the actual hell is happening? And then were they doing drugs or having sex? It would seem Thomas wouldn’t be dumb enough to do coke in the bathroom of a party Kathryn is at since he crucified her for her drug problem but then that means they were having sex. Which then makes me wonder what kind of woman encourages that?? It looked like she basically suggested it. And probably because she could tell Thomas was weirdly interested in Kathryn at the party. Ugghh. This Ashley girl is going to be hated by the end of the season.
Oh I disagree. Thomas would absolutely do drugs where Kathryn could assume but not prove. Just to shove it in her face he can. He loves pulling power plays on Kathryn to show her who is in control. He is such a sleaze. Drugs or sex…maybe both. Either way, gross.
No way in hell Kathryn would have gotten away with taking her date in the bathroom. And I’m sure if she did Shep, Craig and Cameran wouldn’t have been sitting there smiling when they came out. This is the show where Thomas, Shep and Whitney have blathered on and on about “good breeding” and “class” in every single season regarding women they want to end up with but will high five and congratulate each other when they themselves act like pigs.
I’m not saying it’s what was going on, or the only thing that was going on, but someone (I think Shep?) commented when they were in the bathroom: “sex is going on”. I did think Shep hopped into the bathroom wayyyyy too fast though when they were done, so I’m open to different interpretations.
Rubbish. Stupid Thomas is not winning!!! . Fancy being dragged to a toilet to most probably have a BJ in the middle of a BBQ tea, and having to walk out to sniggering people. Simply gross. Even he must see how clingy and grabby Ashley is!! If not on the night, when he sees the episode.
I certainly would not like to think my children would grow up to see their father adjusting his clothes, leaving a toilet with a female after having been seen literally skipping in after her!!! Clearly this has happened before.
I bet his own family are totally ashamed of him and disgusted with both Thomas and Ashley. I don’t see her being welcomed by the Ravenel family at all. She clearly encourages and indulges his sleaziest behaviour.
My problem with Ashley is her total disregard for KD’s parent/child relationship. The clips we’ve seen of her flaunting the fact that she interacts with KD’s children more than KD does was cruel as is calling KD an egg donar. Questioning why KD should have any imput into the selection of the nanny is so ignorant that it makes me question how Ashley can be a nurse much less a role model or caregiver to the children. To all of that add the pajama set she wore to a party where she was meeting TRav’s friends for the first time, then the insecure possessive hand in TRav’s pocket and the bathroom shenanigans and it all adds up to a pretty negative first impression.
I completely agree! In regards to the previews of the season – how does she go from “I hope we can be cool” to “you’re just an egg donor.” KD is an active mother who is bettering herself and is proving it. Such a disgusting and hateful thing to call a mother.
wow. way to have ZERO idea of what is going on. Stay tuned for the season.
me? Yes, that is probably true
I haven’t followed all of this since last summer but I wondered what should JD say? I hope he respects Elizabeth enough to speak well of her. As for Ashley I don’t know anything at all. She is just a dumb woman who sees $$ and starts to execute a plan. Many rich men have one of those hanging on. Sometimes it works out (Erika). All I saw was kathryn being gracious to Ashley but ripping her behind her back.
I thought someone named Luzanne was Enemy #1
Muffin top, I can be quite slow, who is Luzanne?
I dont know details like what was said to whom. It seems Luzanne dated TRav befor Ashley and went a little nuts when he dropped her. Luzanne also works for Patricia Altschul. The claim I read was that Luzanne conspured with Pat to make Ashley look bad. Rumors were in twitter under different names. It sounds like the same thing that was done to Cooper. That has something to do with why Thomas is mad at Pat.
It is way too complicated for my comprehension but I do believe TT wrote about it.
Once again, I think Luzanne may have possibly sent one or two messages to Thomas after they broke up. . But Ashley months later still accuses anyone who criticises her as really being Luzanne waging a long stalking campaign. It suits her and her determined group of supporters to get gullible people feeling sorry for Ashley and at the same time is a ruthless attack on the Luzanne woman.
And Thomas is dumb to have bought into it and appears to let Ashley run his instagram page too. They both routinely comment on how they are blocking “haters”. Thomas just was his own unfiltered self till he hooked up with Ashley and became preoccupied with blocking people, etc. But he kicked up a huge fuss a few days back when he was blocked by Pat Altschul.
Thanks for the response! It does ring a bell now. I’ll go back in TT-time and look for her Luzanne post. “luzanne” makes me think of iced tea: “luzianne tea,” maybe I’m thirsty.
I am remembering a little now. It was more than one or two. She and Patricia are out to get Thomas This person tweets (0 users) and posts on bogs) . She hides behind Patricia while Patricia is saying “who me”
Muffin top, I just don’t believe Pat Altschul would put any energy at all into “getting” Thomas, and I don’t even like her. I believe Ashley is making most of it up and being a dramatic “victim” for sympathy – and has stupid Thomas sucked in. I have to say Kathryn has nothing on her social media about “haters”, and went it alone during the seasons we saw her repeatedly subjected to bullying. I was amazed she seldom mentioned it on social media – despite how young and defenceless she was. And Thomas never put his friendship with Pat Altschul in jeopardy by supporting Kathryn. I look at him now and wonder if he is losing his ability to think clearly if he believes everything Ashley says.
In a y case I can’t see Pat running attacks on them in her social media. Perhaps you should take a look rather than believing stories put out in various gossip columns.
Did Patricia not do that to Kathryn too?
Kathryn is not a defenseless victim. It has been pointed out that she is intelligent. She was running her game. It almost worked but for the problem she developed.
Aren’t we both repeating gossip?
NO NO NO Muffintop! . Pat attacking Kathryn for real in the past, very visibly and publicly, on the SC show, is NOT the same at all.
Pat is being publicly accused of attacking Ashley.
BUT We have not seen Pat attack Ashley on the show, and I have not seen Pat attacking Ashley on social media.
BOTH Thomas and Ashley have attacked Pat time and again on their social media and as far as I can see they have falsely accused Pat of running a mean campaign against them.
Of course, they have now given her plenty of ground’s to validly attack back!!
I am not a Pat fan, but I have not seen any evidence of her attacking Ashley or Thomas.
On the other hand, Pat may be seeing a new side to KD that she appreciates, so she is free to give KD some kudos for that. She does not have to keep picking on KD because Thomas and Ashley might like her to.
Patti would never go at Kathryn on social media herself. She has people that do that for her. Allegedly.
Who??? Are you watching southern charm?
Who?
I was pleased to see Kathryn behave so well, I have always tried to root for her. Craig drives me insane and I’m not sure I could have handled him for as long as Naomi did, it’s not that I don’t like him I just think he is a little adhd. I do love that he sees though, it’s really sweet. JD is a piece of shit and I annoy stand to see his face on tv. Good ol TRav is such a douche, it’s shows that he really does love Kathryn still, otherwise he wouldn’t have been trying to destroy her so badly. Fine line between love and hate. Kathryn has always loved him, always and I am not sure she has known how to handle it all. Cameron is funny pregnant, and she looks beautiful, she really glows. Ashley isn’t all that pretty, she is mostly hair and make up and flash. I thought her outfit wasn’t well matched, the shorts were ridiculous with that top and made her look all the more trashy.
I think Cameran is the most beautiful of the Charmers, but really had an issue with that dress. I really showed everything — purse strap between the boobs when she arrived. I would have chosen differently.
I can tell you that when I was that far along I didn’t give a shit what I wore or how I looked. My own skin made me crazy, I wasn’t comfortable in anything. She and Kathryn are both true beauties.
I didn’t see myself clearly when I was pregnant. I thought I looked fabulous but in reality I did not. I honestly didn’t notice her dress too much, I think she looks great at 9 months?!
LOL, Kipper, I thought I did too. Funny what hormones can do to a person. Cameron looks fantastic.
Great recap TT. Chock full of links to help me remember because. Old.
I had a hard time paying attention to Craig and Naomie’s talk. I could not stop staring at Craig while trying to remember if I knew that he dipped. I do believe that he has Gizmo. At least I think he does. Bravo had some Bravolebs and their pets thing I vaguely remember seeing.
Kathryn looks great and I’m impressed with how she’s handling TRav and his caretaker. Fingers crossed for her and her progress.
Watching K stay calm laid bare just how hard TR tries to provoke her and to what lengths he will go to goad her. He kept it up the entire evening and has no low. Too bad his new woman has no low, either.
During their convo about TRav hiring the nanny without consulting Kathryn, his body language just screamed “I’ll whatever I damn well please.” I see this as a big core problem long term.
I’m sure mine will be the minority opinion in the sea of Kathryn-love here, but her poor choices and lack of judgement are too recent for me to care whether she has a say in who Thomas hires as a nanny. The only reason she didn’t like the nanny he had was that she suspected her of sleeping with or wanting to sleep with Thomas.
Thomas has been BY FAR the most dependable and stable parent of those two children. Does he get to have a say in her choice of nannies?
Kathryn will never like anyone Thomas is seeing, never. And she feels all too entitled to express that opinion. Of course, that’s their storyline on the show.
Regardless of what Kathryn has been through, her choice or other, she is still the mother of their children and absolutely should have a say, and legally does. I think we can all agree that her choices were not optimal, however, we collectively know that TRav has not been ideal, not as a parent, not as a partner, and not as someone who should be co-parenting. It is easy to be the dependable parent when you are paying people to take care of the dirty work involved in parenting.
A mother who caused her son to suffer from fetal alcohol syndrome. She deserves nothing.
Holly, do you really believe Kathryn and Thomas’s son had fetal alcohol syndrome? He’s a beautiful little boy and he and the little girl both have Kathryn’s eyes. Don’t you think that would have been brought up by now, if it were true, and don’t you think Thomas would be much angrier with her than he is?
Holly that’s fucked up to spread a nasty rumor like that about an adorable little BABY boy. You don’t know that to be fact.
Holly didnt start the rumor. It’s not the eyes on Saint, it’s the overall look. Thomas knew something was up with drugs and alcohol while she was pregnant. We don’t know if it’s true so that is enough. Seeing Kensie on the show set off development red flags. Let’s just say it was a lousy way for Kensie & Saint to live their young lives. It still is
Yep fully aware she didn’t start the rumor but I really feel I’ll that people keep it going. He’s a baby. Leave him alone! I find him so adorable. It’s a super serious accusation and I just think it’s super low to go there! I’m not defending Kathryn at all. I don’t know her and have absolutely NO idea what she did or didn’t do pregnant but why keep a rumor going about a baby? Babies look “funny” all the time. I’m sure he will be perfect in his own way and I just really don’t give a care at all about these people I don’t know but find that rumor come out every week in the comments ducked up.
*drops mic* sorry TT for going rage.
And development “red flags.” Do you have kids or a career working with kids??? Kids develop totally different. A kid in a super healthy perfect womb could develop slower than a different situation. The teen mom kids had pretty rough upbringing too and probably not ideal for most people to judge but a lot of them seem surprisingly happy and developed just fine.
Oh come on, no one is throwing shade at the children. The single redeeming quality I find in Thomas is that the children laugh with him and that he has bonded very well with his children.
Yes, kids develop differently but there are times that milestones should be reached. Watch for yourself,
Saint has many markers of FAS or Downs which runs in Thomas’s family. We do not know if the child has been diagnosed with either. We do know the mother of the child has been to rehab and has severely restricted supervision and Thomas has primary custody. Frankly both kids look like they have some sort of issue. We have EYES Jen.
I do not know if the children were born with health issues.
I am aware KD drank and was addicted to drugs while pregnant. However, it is also possible, though not usual, to inherit genetic abnormalities, including the one Thomas’s brother has. Problems can and do also commonly arise when the father is drinking heavily and or doing drugs at and up to time of conception. And Thomas was also not a young father, which could also make a difference. I think if the children do have health issues there is nothing to be gained by finger pointing as either or both parents could be involved with causation. Luckily there is plenty of money if therapy is needed.
Anna, the nanny who was let go (not the lively one they had originally) threw her own teen daughter at Thomas, drank alcohol on front of the kids with her daughter, ran Kathryn down in front of the children and had to be asked via the legal process to stop encouraging them to call her (the nanny) Mom.
Kathryn became addicted to drugs and alcohol, which she seems on top of now. She was not an axe murderer and still has agreed parental rights and may well get at least joint custody back.
Thomas just happens to gave plenty of money to buy professional care. It is not as if he is doing much of the garden yards the average solo dad would. From season 1 we have seen him drinking very heavily and he has been and may still be a recreational drug user whose body makeup has not plunged him into drug addiction. However, I would say he is alcohol dependent and certainly. looks it. He is no saint. It is primarily the money he has that is looking after the children.
original lovely nanny
hard yards… Aaargh predictive text!!
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I feel like I spent an hour watching Ashley run around Shep’s backyard peeing on Thomas and marking her territory, while Thomas kept looking at looking at Kathryn like the dog that he is.
Craig…lose the dip!
Cameron and Shep need to be sent to remedial cotillion classes. Their table manners are abhorrent.
Yes! Craig’s dip was driving me crazy. I’m late to the Naomie/JD/Liz triangle, I need to find out what’s going on. I’m gonna have to deep dive tonight. Thanks for all the material Tamara!
JrLeaguer – you are right on target as usual! Your comment is hysterically funny – because – hey, we laugh at the truth! That is exactly what Ashley was doing! And you are so right about Ms Lili Pulitzer’s and Mr. Yacht Club’s lack of table manners.
Amen to you both! I am laughing my head off. And I have no idea how Cameran eats the kind of food and the quantity that she does and still stays slim and trim.
@Scottishwitch: Well, I was my children’s worst nightmare…a Southern Jewish mama, so manners were drilled in from a very early age. All three sons spent many a Saturday night in blue blazers, khakis and Bass Weejuns. They hated it then, but now that they are grown, out of college and attending business functions, they are grateful for my persistence with classes and table manners at home.
@JrLeaguer: We need more mothers like you! And you gave your sons a great gift!
Very kind of you to say, Scottishwitch. I too spent a lot of time in cotillion during my youth. My own mother makes Emily Post and Martha Stewart look like a couple of slackers…hopefully, my guys find me a little less intense.
Ashley keeps Thomas on a very short leash. Wonder how that will work for her long term?
That visual is priceless – perfect take on the evening. Ashley wasn’t even subtle about it. She looks like an incredible piece of work, which should make this season interesting.
One day, Thomas is going to look back with huge regrets and realize what an immature prick he was. Kathryn did, and does, love him, but he was too stupid to realize it. It’s a pity because when they’re together you can still see the attraction that existed between them. Ashley is a conniving bitch, and the way she treats Kathryn should give Thomas a glimpse of his own future if things don’t work out between them. She’s already put Thomas on notice that, if she gets pregnant, she doesn’t intend to be an unmarried mother. Also, I would think that, if you wanted to impress a guy as a prospective bride, you’d go out of your way to be nice to his children’s mother, not give all indications that there would be nothing but unpleasantness between them. Did I hear correctly that Ashley is a hospice nurse? That’s hysterical – after all, Thomas isn’t getting any younger. Also, did anyone else notice how similar Ashley’s braying laugh is to JD’s phony, forced one?
Speaking of JD, I was elated when Naomi went off on him, and the other ladies all backed her up. Did JD really think everyone was falling for his lies – they already know far too much about him. They were wonderful all standing behind Kathryn too – what a change from the old days. It looks as though she has loyal friends now – especially with Landon gone. BTW, I wonder what Landon would make of Ashley, especially since Landon’s unsuccessful play for Thomas.
I love your comment English Rose. And I have noticed too that Ashley has negative traits and she does not bring out the best ones in Thomas. Every time I look in her eyes – I see coldness and amusement. She seems to have surmised that most around her (especially Thomas) are too stupid to see what she is doing – or that others would not care. Imo, she is a mean girl and a horrible bully who thinks she has sized up everyone’s weaknesses and is bemused by what she believes is her complete ability to take over Thomas and those in his circle. You are so right that Ashley’s ill treatment of the mother of Saint and Kensie should be a big red neon sign to Thomas. I would kick her out for that alone – it I were a man. If Ashley ever lands Thomas, she will treat him (and Saint and Kensie) with the same cruelty she does Kathryn – and Ashley obviously does not love Thomas. Nothing in her behavior or countenance speaks of love. She delivers ultimatums. Thomas is just her mark. She kisses him then commands him. Was she basically saying she would get an abortion if she were pregnant and he did not marry her?
Supposedly, Landon may have had something to do with Thomas and Ashley meeting in Cali, and Ashley has referred to herself and Landon as being like “twins”? It seems as if Landon is all pro-Ashley. And imo, Ashley and Landon do look a lot alike – same squinty eyes, no chin, skimpy clothes, out to nail Thomas, and vicious attacking of Kathryn.
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Thanks, scottish – I always look for your comments. Regarding Ashley and Landon being alike – someone will have to give Ashley a Dolphin Noise 101 class and the similarity will be perfect. I think Ashley was saying exactly what you thought – if she got pregnant and TRav didn’t marry her, she wouldn’t go ahead with the pregnancy. You know, these aren’t teenagers – I don’t know why there’s even a conversation about having babies – she’s a nurse – she should know all about birth control, unless she thinks the lack of it will land her an immature, self-centered husband, who’s secretly still enamored of the mother of his children.
Well they do kind of resemble each other! Did anybody notice that when Thomas and Ashdon were out eating oysters she did not seem so into the oysters?
Something was bumpin in that bathroom and it wasn’t uglies. How stupid of all 3 of them to share their habits on National TV. Wtf???
I cannot believe that Thomas just completely disregards their custody agreement, actually, yes, yes I can. I’m sure it’s another way for him to get under Kathryn’s skin and push her around. I’m sure his ego tells him he’s untouchable but I hope she completes her parenting plan, gets a great lawyer and has those kids a lot more, along with the fat child support checks she should be getting. Contempt is contempt and he should be held accountable, but especially if this goes on long term and from the previews it looks like it does. While you’re at it Kat, get that lawyer to spring a random drug test on Thomas too, obviously he should’ve been having them right along with you these past couple months.
^^^ Yes! To all of this, Cam!
I know nothing about drugs. The bathroom??? For real???
In our community, back in the 1980’s, a very good attorney developed a coke habit and was notorious for going to the bathroom during real estate closings . . . with his briefcase. Happily, he went to rehab and successfully kicked the drugs.
It’s the only place to get away from the cameras.
These mean girl posts on Ashley is stupid and juvenile. It’s none of Kathryn’s business who Thomas dates. They made no vows to each other. Kathryn was wrong thinking having kids is good insurance.
Here’s the issue with that…they have kids together. Thomas is bringing the new girl toy around those kids, on what appears to be, a pretty regular basis. Kids get attached, the people close to them have an impact, Kathryn has every right to know who Thomas is bringing around her kids and to meet those people, preferably before they start having an impact on her kids day to day lives. Nanny, girlfriend, whatever, that part doesn’t matter. Thomas is a piece of shit for how he’s handled the situation this far.
Spunky: Your false assertions need to be completely rejected. Thomas did make vows to Kathryn when he asked her to have his children – which entailed her changing her entire young life and future and putting herself at the physical risk all women face when they become pregnant, carry a child to term and give birth. And to undergo the tremdous bottomless lifelong emotional experience of motherhood and to take on the immense human responsibility and financial commitment involved in raising children in today’s world. Kathryn believed – because she was promised- that she and Thomas and their children would be a FAMILY and she and they would have the family support required. We HEARD AND VIEWED him making these promises on camera! And Kathryn had a right to rely on those promises, especially when considering the serious nature of the matter. And given the unequal power of the parties – Kathryn age 21 and Thomas age 51, and he with so much more money, worldly experience and political influence – Kathryn had all the more right to rely. And Kathryn’s attorney should have screamed their head off (Gloria Allred style) in the media and made sure the court looked at the tape. But Kathryn did not do that to Thomas. But me-thinks that Ashley sure as heck would. Ahhhh…. come to think of it – Ashley IS being sure to get everything ON TAPE! Run Thomas! Run, honey! Offer/ Acceptance? She told you before millions “You know I won’t have a child without getting married”. Ravenel said nothing and seemed to have assented. His reaction would certainly not be construed as a negation. So if Ashley gets pregnant? Does Thomas have an obligation to marry her or face legal consequences? I wonder. Hey – both Ashley and Allred are from Cali.
Well the law doesn’t see your sappy version of things. They have no formal commitment to each other, hence various people around the kids. Women need to be smarter today on choosing the father of their children.
Dear Spunky2015:
The courts are advised to examine the principles of equity as well as the letter of the law in certain situations, and whether something shocks the conscience of the court and whether a person was induced, based on reliance and imbalances of power, to pursue a certain course of action to their detriment. That is not sappy. It is true justice.
Ashley & Alfred?
Is this Kathryn?
Fantastic comment, scottish – you’re on a roll tonight. I have a feeling you have a legal background – you lay out the facts beautifully. My mind works the same way, but I’m not nearly as eloquent as you. Despite her motives and any problems she might have had with drugs or alcohol, she was a minnow in a river with a elderly piranha when she hooked up with TRav. He deserves everything he gets with Ashley – she’s not even attempting to hide her true personality, it could be that everything we’re already seeing and thinking about her is only the tip of the iceberg. I don’t think we’ve begun to see the full ugliness of her personality yet. He’s mesmerized by the fact she has a rocking body, but so does Kathryn and look how he’s treating her.
Spunkie. Normal adults do not go off to a toilet with their partner during a dinner party to either do drugs or more likely have quickie sex – my guess is a BJ for Thomas.
It is extremely rude to everyone else at the party and also disgusting. And – what if 9 months pregnant Cam had wanted the bathroom? Only place away from the cameras? Give us a break!!
That’s an assumption. Were you there? The bathroom is the only place for privacy when filming. On RHONJ, Bobby hid in bathroom to get away from the cameras. Look I don’t know if Ashley is nice or not, but only seeing her once on camera posters act like mean middle school girls towards her. How come Kathryn’s boyfriends are not shown? Thomas and Kathryn only have chemistry between the sheets and not a love match. Selfish bringing two kids into this. It was obvious they don’t talk to each other watching that episode. Say what you want about Thomas but that Agreement has saved Kathryn’s life. I’m glad she is on a good path because her kids need her.
@mackie 100%??
I figured Thomas and Ashley did a line, came out, had one ready for Shep, (birthday boost), and he got up and went in the bathroom, did his line when they came out.
Seen it, done it, looked exactly as would be done.
I figured Thomas and Ashley did a line, came out, had one ready for Shep, (birthday boost), and he got up and went in the bathroom, did his line when they came out.
Seen it, done it, looked exactly as would be done.
Great recap. You are so right about this girl using Thomas and he is clearly using her too. He spends more time talking to her about Kathryn then anything else. I can’t believe you didnt mention that line when she says something like “I’ll do anything, but don’t please don’t ask me to dye my hair red”.its like she knows she is Kathryn 2.0 and is ok with it.
I loved Naomi tho episode. Disliked her and Craig together. I caught the chew in his mouth too.
Interesting thought on the coke in the bathroom. I bought sex, but coke makes sense too and especially like you say how Shep jumps up tp go in right after. He didn’t care to wash his feet when Cam said and then suddenly…. great catch.
I love the female empowerment.. however thinly veiled in convienince and circumstance.
Omg, I know that writer he called a tampon. Too funny.
He’s such a gross old man. His jokes, “compliments” and insults are so old, cheesy and stupid.
Right? Yuck. And it’s a stupid insult, too. I am sure Liz is laughing at him. I will shoot her an email soon.
She made a pretty funny joke of it in her new article. I know she’s your friend but I don’t care for her recaps because they feel scattered and doesn’t really “recap” the show but I can see why people might find them funny. Just not my cup of tea
No apologies necessary. We worked together a while ago. I like her freewheeling style and quirky references, but I get that it may not be to everyone’s taste.
I thought it was spot on.
I was curious about Gizmo also. I just read that Naomi’s parents actually took Gizmo in before they broke up. Then Naomi got another cat which she took with her. Poor Craig. He loved Gizmo so much. Gizmo will be visiting and be shown on a few episodes. Way to twist the knife Naomi. Is that Cameron’s husband in the first pic?
I was wondering who that person is as well. I noticed him while Naomi was going off on JD.
BTW, I really enjoyed watching his face turn all kinds of red. He deserved every bit of it and then some. I was surprised they discussed his fleecing Liz’s inheritance and swindling his landlords so openly.
Doesn’t T-Rav have to drug test as well? Shame that it can’t be on demand like Katherine. . . just sayin
He was ordered to drug test by hair sample but he’s smart. He cut his hair to just below the required length and shaves his body hair.
Thanks TT! Awesome recap! JD is a jackwagon and happy it was highlighted on the show and in your recap. Though I wish this was the last we see of JD, the evil side of me wants to see more of him being called out for all of his fakery, thievery, adultery, and over all douchebaggery! LOL
Kathryn’s making a comeback. That makes me happy! I am all about the second chance!
What person purposely tries to goad and upset the mother of their children at a party where alcohol and possibly drugs are available, when that woman is in the early and very fragile stages of her recovery from addiction? Especially when the two of you have always had a rollercoast or emotions type of relationship, you are currently trying to co-parent with each other, and she is under court supervision? Why would you not only bring your flavor of the month replacement girlfriend, but instruct said girlfriend to dress as sexily as possible, then introduce your new girlfriend and have her make comments about how she’s met the children when she’s not supposed to have met them, and then lock yourself in the bathroom with the new girlfriend to either have sex or do drugs, which is probably something that you and the mother of the kids have done before, so not only does it flaunt the new girlfriend and your obsession with her into the mother’s face, but it brings up old and painful memories? And then telling her that you’ve hired a new nanny without her consent against the court order, basically shoving in her face that you are in complete control of everything and will likely have no consequences for breaking the court order, when if she were to break it, she could be arrested and would go back to square one, not being able to see her children? Who acts like this!? And at thomas’s age!? He is the embodiment of misogynistic, mentally and emotionally abusive, “good ole boys” who hold all the power. And why does Kathryn still love him? Why did she ever love him? He’s so toxic.
You are so right. Although I do believe that Kathryn loves him, I don’t ever want to see them back together. IMO he will never change and she deserves better. He embodies all the worst Southern “gentleman” stereotypes and is just a disgrace. If you believe in karma then just sit back and wait, because it is coming for him.
Thomas appears to be one of those people who are able to drink and use drugs socially long term without somehow becoming devestatingly addicted physically. He is high functioning and still successful enough even though it’s pretty obvious he drinks copious amounts of alcohol and probably still uses cocaine. Kathryn, unfortunately, was not so lucky. Some people’s brains and genetics are different. They are not able to be a casual or social user or drinker. They become mentally obsessed with using and become physically addicted quickly and easily. It is not easy for them to quit or get sober. I feel like Thomas was probably the one who introduced Kathryn to using drugs more and more often, and then when she wasn’t able to function as highly as he was able to, and when she wasn’t able to give it up or take a break or whatever it is that he does to not become a mega addict, living his life solely to use, he turned on her and used the exact thing that they had been doing together for fun, to break her.
@Amy – what tips you off that he uses cocaine?
He doesn’t seem jumped up enough to use cocaine. What was Kathryn’s habit? I remember the reunion where her behavior was odd, she kept kicking her legs.
He went to prison for cocaine.
He was busted for it years ago – distributing – and during the series joked to Whitney about liking it because he liked the smell of it. Then there has been outbursts if very irrational behaviour on camera. Remember his famous do net party where he chased people down the street? KD was living with him then and I am among the people who believe he fave her drugs then and unlike him she did become an addict because of her particular physical makeup. It is the risk every user takes.
Dinner party.
Thanks, everyone..
100%. I’ve always thought this. Imo he’s a long term, functioning addict. I don’t care that he passed his tests when the Court was testing him. It takes 2 days to get coke out of your system and if the allegations about him having advanced notice of the drug tests is true who’s to say he didn’t have other advantages, like not even using his own samples. Kathryn got blindsided for sure, on the drug testing, on the Family Court system and it’s pathetic corruption in this country and previous to all that, on running with a group of long term, functioning addicts and learning it takes years to get to that level of “functioning”.
I can’t imagine how she feels seeing through his bullshit now that she’s on the other side and then having it rubbed in her face on National TV that he just keeps on getting away with it. Please, dear Lord, let her outsmart him and publicly turn that table over on his smug head.
I do think the alcohol abuse is showing this year,, in his face and less alertness of manner. . As people age the toll of heavy drinking starts to be harder to hide.
Thomas is a pig. A stupid, arrogant pig who is used to doing what he wants without consequences. I hate the way he is behaving, I hope it comes back to bite him in the ass.
The fact that he is back on IG after his horrible comments about the local writers says it all. Not sorry.
The woman Ashley is trash. Stupid trash.
Patricia Altschul was born in Jacksonville, Florida, and raised in Virginia. Her college education was in Virginia. Her father was from Alabama and went to school at Tulane. Those sure seem like Southern antecedents to me. But what do I know? I was born and raised in Connecticut by parents who were born and raised in Connecticut.
The is for this. I didn’t know any of those things about her. I like Patricia and enjoy her on the show.
Exactly, raised in Richmond, VA.
I’ve been waiting for TT to weigh in on this, but she hasn’t… As one from the Deep South, we don’t think of Jacksonville, FL as a Southern city. Maybe because there are so many transplants and snowbirds in FL? I don’t know…
Florida is not a southern state. Neither is the Greater Washington DC area. I’ve said this a million times. I don’t need to continue to educate every new person who comes along declaring Tampa a Southern City. I’m fine with them remaining ignorant.
I realize that it may not be considered a southern city now, but when Patricia was born there in 1941,it was as southern (and segregated) a city as anywhere else in the south AND she was raised in Virginia.
I was born and raised in Jacksonville, Florida and this city is known as Southern Georgia, not Northern Florida. It”s an inside joke if you’re from here and I really mean from here not from other parts of the country.
People can say what they want about Jacksonville, Our city motto ” Bold new city of the south” sums it up for me.
Jacksonville isn’t really in Florida. 🙂 It’s more like Savannah South.
Yes!
I found it unfair of Naomi to take it upon herself to put Liz’s business out there like that, I get that she felt she was sticking up for her friend and that it’s likely every single thing she said was true, however if you are wanting to empower other women it seems like not allowing Liz to have her own voice and handle the situation the with the father of her children how she sees fit would be the opposite of empowering. I believe Naomi would want someone to stick up for and defend her that way, but apparently that isn’t what Liz wants and if she is truly Liz’s friend, it doesn’t matter how many times she goes to her house and picks her up out of bed or listens while she cries, it doesn’t mean that Liz will be ok with her situation being talked about at a dinner party that is filmed for national tv nor does it give Naomi the right to do so, in fact it might have even been more painful and humiliating. I think it still would have made Naomi a great friend if, when JD brought up Liz, Naomi had simply said that it wasn’t respectful to talk about Liz when she wasn’t there to defend herself. Then to rip into Austen for not automatically going along with what she was saying was not fair either. I never really got the mean vibe last season from Naomi, I know she let Craig have it a time or two, but figured he gave as good as he got, but the fact they are broken up and she seems determined to let him know that he is living his life wrong even though it no longer affects her, it makes her seem very self centered and judgmental. I know, I know, kind compassionate people don’t get much air time, just my boring old opinion.
I get your point, Andy. However, I don’t think I could be around someone who screwed over my friend so horribly and not have a few words to say to his fat greasy face.
No doubt, I can just see where it might make Liz feel even worse. I would also like to add, the greasy face is looking a little less fat this season, the “break-up diet” seems to be working for many.
It wasn’t just the cheating; its the gaslighting, mental abuse, and financial abuse.. and the he is a pretenstious as hell prick that expects the good ole boy club to protect his ass while he submerges his wife in some stockholm syndrome bullshit. Allegedly.
Naomie cleared this before it was stated. I think she was genuinely upset for her friend and she was allegedly cleared to say whatever by Liz who is backtracking. It seemed pretty real to me. Also, JD’s antics/ethics are notg unknown to C-Town.
I just don’t want to watch a whole season of Chelsea’a sssssssss.
You guys… Elizabeth’s twitter!!!! I thought I had read on here that she was done with social media because of her marriage and family?!?! Yikes… she is all in on JD and against the girls and Naomi’s “fakes news.” Terrible.
Agree! Totally threw her girlfriend who was there picking up her pieces with her, under the bus. Now she is canoodling with JD again. Is it to save face? Is it because she is dependent emotionally on him? Why, LIz, why????
Kind of going the route Shannon Beador should have. I read somewhere a while ago if ever going through divorce no matter how tempting do not trash your spouse/ex as it is very confusing and traumatic for children. They are part JD no matter what, so she maybe (not sure) is taking the high road on this and just denying in public negatives about him.
I am pretty sure part of the #MeToo movement is to stop women from having to deny this shit “for the children.” Your daddy is a coke head who slept with a million whores and didn’t both to show up for your birth” Is now OKAY for women to say. We don’t have to keep “protecting” the fathers. NOPE. And doing so only tells your kids it’s OKAY for them to do what they did because you didn’t have a negative reaction. WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO EXCUSE THIS BEHAVIOR.
Well it’s about reprogramming the brain with this and all types of the situation. I don’t know what Elizabeth is thinking I just kind of threw out an idea…I guess I’m not very reprogrammed yet as well. These shows (and there are several now) make me feel so bad for the kids. Makes me sad.
Fantastic comment!! It is what it is.
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Someone here said that you should never attack an ex because when they get back together your friendship is over. I agree with that advice. HOWEVER, in this case, I cannot imagine Elizabeth going back to someone who has done the things that JD has done. No sane person would do that.
And then I read her Twitter. She defending him, pretending none of the things are true, and acting like they are one big happy family? How did he pull that off?
JD is an abusive dirtbag and narcissistic like Thomas. People who wind up in relationships like that become traumatically bonded and it is very hard to break away. When you have children with them it is even harder because you can’t really go no contact which is the best way to break the traumatic bond. JD is abusive. So is Thomas which is why I wasn’t surprised by Catherine’s behavior in the past. I wish Elizabeth the best and hope she realizes that JD is abusive gets help and learns to set firm boundaries with him. She is her boy’s best hope to grow up to be healthy, respectful men.
Great comment ?
Maybe just to protect the kids and extended family involved. Denying he is a piece of shit. Sticking up for him in a way to make the kids believe they are still “friends” etc getting through this. That’s my idea anyway.
If she or he does say negative things about the other parent it can be used against them in custody for attempting to alienate a parent regardless if it’s true or not. She’s doing the right thing. When the kids are old enough to understand the truth Liz can hang her head high and they can then decide what type of relationship they want with their father
She has kids and has papered over the cracks for years. Maybe that is all she knows how to do. At the party Naomi said she was having to get Elizabeth out of bed every day and Elizabeth was in tears every day. Perhaps she just does not have the strength to go it alone.
Some musings …
Will Beau make some more appearances? We need new man blood.
What about Ashley’s “long time, no see” comment to Whitney? Did they know each other before this season?
AND so glad the entitled, boring, obnoxious Landon is gone! She did not do ANYTHING on that bogus website she took all credit for. Maybe she should hook up with JD!
They met prior to filming. There is a pic that was posted on one of their Instagrams that was taken around the first time Ashley visited Charleston. The pic included Whitney, Thomas, Ashley, and another gentleman.
That was so trashy of Ashley and Thomas,going into the bathroom together at a party, let alone when this was the first time Kathryn met Ashley. Not only was it trashy but it was i suiting and meant to get a rose out of Kathryn. Ashley is so full of herself and I think she’s been a follower of the show and went after Thomas thinking this is her ticket for fame. I don’t even see her being compassionate enough to be a hospice nurse. I think there’s way more to her story. She’s no Kathryn either. She’s a “butter face” in my opinion without all the makeup.
Sorry…insulting I mean
I could have told Naomi what was going to happen with Liz, though Naomi is too young to see it. You don’t shit on your friend’s family at a dinner table, much less on national tv. I was squirming during that scene, even though I know JD is a turd. She must really love that sawed off SOB.
Taking turns in the bathroom – just as classy as I remember it.
I bought this season on Amazon thanks to your recaps! I gave up cable and only buy the shows that I actually like on Amazon..12-2o bucks for a whole season.
TT so sorry things are not good now with you but this recap was awesome!! I LOVE that you call out those man babies for all of the TRUTH!! You don’t hold back! It is fantastic.
LOL!!! Loved your comment about the wine glass.
This was an Epic show tonight.
When the girls said the times are changing they are right about that.
I hope Katheryn just keeps her eyes on the prize moving on ward and up ward/
I loved that they went in on JD he deserved it being called out .
I am glad that Landon is not on the show this season.
It is going to get better from the previews.
Ashley and Thomas are both Narcissists. As long as they feed each others egos, make the other look good, and serve a purpose, that is the attraction and the importance to sustain the relationship.
Absolutely agree Cheryl. But what they don’t realise is how pathetic the whole picture looks to lots of others who they hope to impress. A man approaching 60 being led to the toilet during a dinner party by a young, skimpily dressed, clingy woman and emerging adjusting his pants looks like barf material – and she like a paid escort.
There are couples who believe in marriage no matter how badly one of them behaved. I know people who have fought their way back. Marriage is hard but it’s a commitment. Divorce seems to be even harder. JD owes Elizabeth big time. She is no doubt worried about her family. The kids will feel the impact.of having the family business in the streets. Elizabeth and JD have more to concern themselves about than a tv show.
It’s easy to tell someone else to kck his ass out.
This is the belief of my mother’s generation and adherent Catholics. Make it work!
Moe likely Muffintop, I feel Liz will be hoping the separation has caused JD to change his ways. He may even have promised he will change. But the likelihood of any real change in JD is extremely low.
I agree with you muffintop
I feel bad for Naomi because she tried to sit there and not say anything. I don’t see her as a loud mouth ready to fight. She just stuck up for her friend. I believe she picked up Elizabeth out of bed. I believe her when she says how she watched her cry. It sucks their friendship is broken over this because I don’t think Naomi would have said a word if she knew that would happen. It’s sad to see the scene with her and Craig also. I wish she wasn’t so critical of him because I think there is love there. Also I never relieved till this season how stunning she is. Her beauty kind of gets lost when Kathryn and Chelsea are on screen but she is very pretty. I’d love to know the tea behind Danni’s break up because she seems really pissed at men too…another one that stays classy but she really wanted to lay into JD too. I think this group is really good for Kathryn because they show her how to kind of stay calm as the three of them do. Cameron was just so damn bitchy to her every season and ugh so glad the dolphin is gone! Austen really fucked up. Chelsea does not look like she left the door ajar for him like her told Shep!
FYI Naomi got a nose job AFTER this season of Southern Charm was filmed.
http://tamaratattles.com/2018/02/17/naomie-olindos-new-nose-is-causing-a-commotion-on-social-media/
Oh I don’t think so, I think Naomie’s far prettier than Kathryn. Chelsea is gorgeous but has a girl next door look as opposed to Naomie who has a uniqueness the others don’t have. (even with the nose job, I think)
I have never been a Kathryn fan, she looks pretty gussied up, but if you take all that fake tan, bronzer, makeup etc off she looks like a normal girl. I’m glad she’s acting like a sane human being at the moment and is working toward sobriety/getting her kids. I never want to see somebody off the rails like that, esp not when little ones are involved.
Looks like I may be the only member of Team Naomi. It’s not that I dislike Craig as much as I would go to crazytown if my boyfriend was sewing aprons in my parents house while I was working my tail off.
Rubbed my hands in glee when the girls went off on JD. If Elizabeth has taken up for him, no words. Craig may be adrift, but at least he’s not a grifter.
I don’t hate Craig, but he drives me insane too. His whiny, nasal, tone, the fact that he wants to have 100 irons in the fire but isn’t paying much attention to any one of them. All the bs back and forth about law school and the bar, work, etc. He’s not a bad person by any means, but that type of all over the place personality doesn’t mesh well with mine. Naomie looks like a work horse, Craig is far too low key for that and he has an issue taking responsibility.
They are far better off split. I think they cared about one another but they are a terrible match.
I read it on the internet so it must be true
What would really be a twist is if Ashley gets the same TRav treatment as Kathryn and finally sees him for what he really is. Then she and Kathryn become great friends who taunt and torture TRav.
Thomas and Kathryn still have chemistry. Big Time.
These two have a completely toxic attraction. I don’t know that I’d call it chemistry because they bring out the absolute worst in one another when in a relationship.
The third element in their relationship before was substance abuse on both sides. KD looks to have got past now and grown up a lot. She is young and has huge potential.
But she could find so much better in a life partner now than sleazy old TRav. I am hoping KD will get swept off her feet by a young, kind and genuinely good man.
Is this better than the other horrible, unwatchable Southern Charm? I have absolutely no connection or attraction to Charleston but New Orleans is one my most favorite places in the world. Do they at least show good tourist-porn shots of the city between scenes?
Oops! I thought this was a recap for SCNO. Please ignore.
You are right. I tried to to give Ashley The benefit of the doubt. Now she has called me a troll, everyone is a troll. Is this girl stupid?
Honest question, why are you saying things to her on social media? Nobody knows these people, isn’t that right? I’m watching a tv show, yes? I’m really curious as to why.
Ultimately, I don’t think I belong here so flame away. Something tells me that might be on the table.
I have not corresponded either Sam, but in my view people put stuff up on their pages precisely to get publicity and comments.
I have not corresponded with Ashley but I see she frequently lashes out at people who have written what appear to be reasonable comments on her page. Don’t be surprised if she starts calling you Luzanne next.
I’m horribly late to comments, but loved the recap and the discussion! Someone mentioned KD’s social media and I went to look at her instagram for the first time – there’s an adorable picture of her with Cameron, Shep and Whitney with tiny baby Palmer that was just posted. Her recent pictures are stunning too (of course, professionals are involved, but still, she looks great). I am really keeping my fingers crossed that she stays on a good, healthy path throughout the season.
I also thought Shep’s toast was hilarious and one of the best parts of the episode.
Just watched parts of this episode again…the friend of Shep, “Beau” looks like a Kennedy, big time. Does anyone know who he is?
Like he looks like what I remember Bobby Kennedy looked like. They did some side shots at the table I had to rewind. The teeth!
The first thing I noticed in the show was Thomas made a comment to Ashley about how jelous Katherine would be when she sees her at the party. (Not excate quote) I thought yup, he has Katherine on his mind. Lol
As for Namomie, IMO she will do everything she can do get more film time. She like most Bravo “stars” fully know that drama gets more time. I think Bravo should have sent her packing after she split up with Craig. It certainly would not have hurt my feelings any.