Tonight we finally go to Milan where things got really heated. Dolores and Siggy are an island unto themselves at this point. It seems that Teresa and Melissa and are finally locked in as an impenetrable duo. We already know that the whole crew makes such a scene that they get thrown out of a restaurant. I wonder if that happens tonight or next week.
Sidenote: I have a post in my drafts about Siggy going nuts ever since the reunion. Not sure I will ever get it up as I a trying to be lazy for the holidays, but suffice it so say that Siggy is furious with Margaret. Also, I have found out about something concerning Dolores and Siggy that I will never share, but let’s just say it makes me see them both in an unflattering light.
Melissa claims this is a business trip. As if she is going to be on a buying trip. Already with the insane scripting. I don’t even think Margaret is going to be on a business trip. But the real situation is that Siggy and Dolores are outcasts on this trip and Siggy is legitimately insane. Siggy seems to think that she is still close with Teresa and Melissa. Siggy is still harping on Margaret’s reference to Hitler. For fucksake. Siggy said she is friends with Kim D because she is nice to her despite how Kim D treats Kim and Melissa. Margaret simply pointed out that Hitler would have not killed her so by Siggy’s logic, she should be friends with Hitler. Siggy is STILL RANTING ABOUT THIS ON HER SOCIAL MEDIA MONTHS LATER. Let it go, for fuck sake.
I’ll never understand why people go to Europe for only four days unless it is a business trip. Once you take the long plane ride, I say stay as long as possible. I’ve already got the itch to go to Paris for Christmas again. I need to abandon all hope of a good passport picture and just get one taken.
Somehow this has turned into Melissa’s trip instead of Margaret’s. How did she pull that off? She got the presidential suite and the others pulled room keys to avoid all the RHONY sort of bitching about who gets what room. I’m not even a fan of Teresa’s but with her mother recently passing, I think she should have gotten the best room. Dolores gave Margaret her room so she could room with Siggy.
Teresa and Danielle head off to the Duomo, a giant Cathedral. I’m not sure if I went to Milan or not as I child. I think I would have some memory of the Duomo di Milano.
Melissa and Margaret head off together and Siggy and Dolores go shopping. Teresa, who everyone thinks speaks Italian, speaks English to the waiter. I don’t for a minute believe she is fluent in Italian. Danielle works Teresa to turn her against Dolores and Siggy. Basically the three duos all talk about each other.
Melissa is surprised that Milan has a cathedral. She thought that was only in Rome. More pairings to discuss the impending brawl at the restaurant. And her it comes.
Immediately, Teresa picks up the votives on the table and starts pouring the hot wax into her hand and then on other people. I am not making this up. I would be mortified already. Then Danielle discusses how to make a rainbow on a penis using lipstick in gross detail. Again, this is really happening, in public. On camera.
Siggy wants to get to brawling. She tells Teresa that she defended her with Kim D. Then we get Melissa acting out the bad behavior at Posche . They are literally reenacting the fight at Posche and it looks like we are not going to see any more of the food. The entire restaurant is staring at them all. Siggy goes off on Maraget calling her anti-Semitic despite the fact that Margaret’s stepkids are Jewish. Siggy is just an awful person inside and out. She calls Margaret a bitch. Danielle defends Margaret and Siggy tries to come for Danielle. Danielle loses her shit and starts breaking things in the beautiful Milanese restaurant. She gone full on bull in a china shop. This is just disgusting and embarrassing. Why don’t any of them remove themselves from this public display of egregiousness? They were escorted out. How humiliating.
Out in the streets, Siggy is furious that Teresa and Melissa did not defend her.
Everyone except Danielle and Siggy go on a canal tour. I feel like production uninvited them. The tour guy is hot AF. And Teresa finally speaks some Italian.
I’m loving the scenes of Milan.
Meanwhile Dolores has called Danielle to try to make up with her because production sad so. She doesn’t even bother to get dressed but instead, apparently wandered through the hotel in her pajamas and bathrobe. I’m okay with her in her long-sleeved long pants pajamas roaming around but with the hotel bathroom over it, that’s just wrong. She apologizes to Danielle. Danielle says she had already hurt her feelings. She says last night she was unhinged. Then Siggy manages to make Danielle seem sane by telling her that she is the one who introduced Margaret to the group and she feels like Margaret has done nothing but attack her since. She brings up the “Soggy Flicker” comment again and how hurtful that was. Oddly this time it was not hurtful because she was bullied in school, not it has something to do with her knowing Siggy had a hysterectomy. I don’t get the connection.
The tour group goes to lunch. Again, Teresa orders in English and points to what she wants on the menu rather than speaking her “fluent Italian.” Seriously? She can’t even order food in Italian. My French sucks but by day two I’ve mustered the courage to order food at least. Melissa tries to convince Dolores to help get Siggy back into the group and stop all the nonsense. Dolores and Margaret start bickering in a mature fashion. Margaret looks to Teresa for support. Teresa says that Dolores seems like she is not giving Margaret a chance. Dolores says that she sees no path for Siggy and Dolores to be together.
Siggy calls her husband and he tells her she just needs to come home and cut the cancer out of her life. It’s clear he means the show. She agrees, but I think that production sent her home.
Wait, are they already home next week?
PLEASE SHARE WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT SIGGY AND DOLORES!!
Tamara I love reading you but you’re becoming such a gossip tease!! 🙂
I know right? Sounds juicy. I can see Siggy perhaps having some skeletons in her closet, but Dolores has always seemed like a pretty decent lady to me.
They both hired social media trolls to spam the other ladies. That’s why Siggy’s so knowledgeable about ‘fake accounts’, because she paid someone to do exactly that – create accounts and send nasty shit. I think the guy was even done for stalking. Its been discussed through blind items elsewhere. It’s not exactly privileged information.
Like a child, I cannot WAIT to find out what the gossip is about Siggy and Dolores. I just don’t like them. Siggy may be off, but Dolores seems even more calculating.
I’m dying to know. Some kind of scam? Oooh oooh oooh I can’t take it!
This episode nearly caused me to have a STROKE! Just the amount of times they mispronounced “antisemitic!” Especially Siggy, who claims …oh I’m not even going there! Something is clearly wrong with Siggy, either mentally or physically….(or possibley financially!)
How sad if they are already going home, because there is a lot of cool art in Milan, not to mention the LEATHER! (And hot guys!) ?
Wow, what an odd sounding episode. I will watch tomorrow and I think it’s a bit weird all ready. Too bad because usually trips are something to count on. They are completely responsible for ruining the season. I can’t believe they go to Italy for this nonsense. What a shame. I also agree, four days is not enough at all. I’m disappointed they can’t behave for one dinner. Unbelievable. Really sounds disconnected. Aren’t they their for meetings for Melissa to gain some knowledge to have her own business experience? I think I will watch without planning on figuring out. Thank goodness for the recap!! Lol.????
There are no such thing as meetings for Melissa to gain any knowledge for business experience.
Melissa is on a fake buying trip.
Most buying is done at Market Week in Atlanta, NYC, or Dallas. Vendors exhibit at these shows and buying is done there.
Thanks JoJoFLL.
I actually believe what they are doing there, so I can knock that off interesting moments, lol.
Sure sounded good, I must say.
You are welcome. I laughed out loud when Melissa said she wanted two smalls, two mediums, and one large of that jacket.
That isn’t the way it works. If she placed an order for the jackets, they would come 2, 3, 3, 2 or 2, 3, 3, 3, 2 meaning 2 smalls, three mediums, three large, two extra larges. You can’t cherry pick sizes. The manufactuers would be unable to complete the runs.
Maybe it works differently for boutiques? Their whole thing is cultivating a one of a kind vibe — sometimes you only see one or two of the same piece.
No, it works like that because if it didn’t, from a manufacturing standpoint, it would be a nightmare.
Most all stores, from large department stores to small boutiques do their buying the same way, they go to one or all of the apparel markets.
My stepdaughter is a buyer for Nordstrom is the reason I know this.
Thanks for the info! Imlove fashion and had no ifea how it works.
And you can do buying from foreign lines of clothes at ANY of the US markets. They are so full of it.
God these women are stupid. I lost count of the times I wanted to throw something at the tv tonight.
Danielle does nothing but raise my blood pressure.
This trainwreck needs to end already and be recast.
Or just end.
I didn’t thing Siggy could be more unhinged than she had been prior to this episode, but she is batshit crazy. Based on the soggy thing and the Hitler reference? Does she really expect anyone to believe she is justified in her behavior? Good grief. And the fact that TT says she has doubled down since the reunion, makes me think she needs hospitalization. She is completely out of touch with reality. She is single-handedly destroying her reputation/public image.
This shit show has to end. I can only assume this show is over. It has no future.
I know one thing. I would NOT go to Siggy for any kind of counseling or whatever it is she does. If I needed to talk to someone that batshit crazy, all I have to do is walk down the street!
This is not just from menopause, right? Is this what’s in store for me?
No it is not just menopause. I never went crazy like her. Something more serious is going on in her head.
No. Menopause is a change. But Siggy is nuts.
No difference from regular life in many ways. The hotflashes are annoying, you will feel the pms crankies more often, but if you haven’t acted like a lunatic before because you are an adult with self-control, you won’t start with menopause either. You just may have to apologize to your immediate family more often for having less patience for their normal stupidity.
Psssst menopause is different for everyone. One of my sisters had very few symptoms. Me and the other one went batshit. I’m still batshit. I just have the great good sense to stay away from people.
Siggy and Dolores are hilarious together. The two of them in their hotel room was like two little girls.
The scene in the restaurant was mortifying. How embarrassing! Daniel is still a ratchet mess and she took a new low describing the “rainbow”.
How did Teresa get to go to Milan on probation? Did I miss something. It is nice to see Melissa and Teresa close.
TT, your favorite person is on WWHL tonight!
I am going to use these embassments of females from NJ to go to Paris for my birthday and spend a week calmly eating alll the food and drinking my face off.
So embarrassing. They’re all kinda batshit.
Ugh…just ugh. This is all so surreal. Listen I had a total hyster. at 35 15-20 yrs before the crazy would naturally enter my brain, vagina and mouth. I’ve yet to date been out of my fkn gourd. I’m not a crier. I pride myself on that. I am just starting to get the awful hot flashes for no reason. I cry watching my favorite foreign films on you tube when my chattel are asleep and oblivious to my crazy fkn meltdown. Knowing that feeling that and watching Siggy that ain’t surgery induced meno crazy. That’s a legit DSMVll criteria. I wanted to see great food,great clothes and gorgeous buildings and men. I wonder if I’ve aged out of watching the Bravo housewives. I used to grab a good wine and silence my house and enjoy watching how the other income level lived. Now I feel like I’m glad I do not live that shit with those fools. Money and travel and a hairstylist and household help and they fkn screech like harpies. I hope I’m not hatewatching because I want to be validated to come read the blogs about these shows.’
Dammit single indie womyn pull your shit together I need a release.
I had one at 29 and I’ve yet to go batshit and I’ll be 60 in 3 days! Siggy is using that as a crutch for her horrible personality and behavior. OMG I can’t be turning 60, where the hell did those years go? LOL! (Everyone else aged, I’m still 29 lolol)
I publicly apologize for my early season defense of Siggy. WTF. I mean this is not a typical hormonal reaction. I too want to know what gossip you have on Dolores and Siggy….
I see you Danielle. You planned this out hard and smooth. The fights and tossing ice and glasses was contrived in order to stay relevant. It’s not a good look on you.
I’m going to Milan!
I still do not care for Margaret, although with her legal issues, she fits right in to a Real Housewives franchise. That said, Siggy was way out of saying that Margaret is antisemitic. That is not an accusation that you throw around lightly.
Likewise ridiculous comparisons to Hitler is not something you through around lightly. I cannot stand Siggy hated her last season too, but I think Godwin’s law applies here. As someone who lost most of my extended family in the holocaust Margaret’s trivializing comment is simply offensive. I guess her step kids know her better than us.
Siggy needs to be placed on a 72-hour hold and have her mental illness diagnosed by a professional. There is no excuse for her odd behavior other than a serious mental disorder.
OK, I get where any reference to you and Hitler if you are a child of the Holocaust (my description for anyone descended from survivors) could be a trigger in the moment. Margaret would have won points if she would have done what I would have done. “Oh my Lord, I didn’t realize your dad is a survivor. I’m so sorry for using that name to get my point across”.
However, Siggy’s response to a friend who states “that woman attacked my children” was “She is nice to me”.
Disgusting and reprehensible. So lacking in sympathy and acknowledgement of how it is wrong to attack children no matter what. That was Margaret’s ultimate point and she was RIGHT.
I am so ready to go back to Italy. I might try to check out some Learn Italian tapes from the library. When I went to France, everyone had warned me about how rude and standoffish the French would be, especially in Paris.
Well, I read up on what is socially acceptable AND practiced the hell out of my high school French (even took a class at my parks and rec.) I was warned that Parisians would be rude and standoffish.
I would attempt to order or buy something in my earnest but basic French. I got nothing but appreciation from the French people I encountered! At the Metro, the ticket seller said “good job” in English, as she gave me our tickets. In a bistro, the waiter complimented me on my accent, but said he spoke English and that we must be hungry. (He did take the time, once he was serving us our food, to tell me how to pronounce it in French. He was lovely.)
Erica, Try the Duolingo app on your phone. It is a free and fun way to learn or improve learning a language. I am doing French and Polish. It takes about 5 minutes a day.
So what language DOES Teresa speak? Looks like so far we are 0 for 2.
Bwahhahahaha! ?
I wonder if she’s speaking in English and pointing to the menu because she can’t read Italian?
Wasn’t there a whole scene a few seasons back where she was “teaching” the girls Italian and she had a chalkboard up? She’s a train wreck.
and I just sprayed coffee….0 for 2…!
Milan looks beautiful, it’s on my to do list when I visit Italy.
I really like Margs, she seems like a fun girl. I also think she is intelligent.
I suspect Siggy is envious of how quickly Margs has come onto RHONJ and meshed with Teresa and her crew. That’s the underlying issue, none of this you called me “Soggy”, or the “Hitler” anti-semitic crap.
P.S: Bravo should credit Dolores as Siggy’s Pet…not a FT housewife.
Wow, production were super lazy on this trip – the bit where they all went off in pairs, and Siggy and Dolores were shopping while Danielle and Teresa were at a restaurant was completely absurd because they were literally in the same place! The Galleria Vittorio Emmanuelle II is just off the Piazza del Duomo, which is where the restaurant was – they were so close to each other they must have been able to see each other across the square.
I just found that weird, because they should have taken Siggy and Dolores shopping along Via MonteNapo or somewhere further away. How awkward to sit there talking about people knowing they’re in spitting distance!
I love all your inside knowledge about Milan! You know they all came and went on the same van.
I’m adding comments as I catch up on this episode….
Was nobody else completely grossed out by the husbands discussing the 12 year old Gorga girl? Wtf was that “shake the tree while it’s young” stuff about? Sorry not sorry, but Joe Gorga spends way too much time talking about the sexuality of a 12 year old. Has he spoken about anything else this season?
I didn’t mention that scene but chose to pull photos for the post instead. I didn’t see anything offense about it, It wasn’t about shaking a tree, it was about bending a tree. It’s parenting analogy where it is easy to bend the sapling as it is growing but once it is a full grown tree that is no longer possible. I admit I was not paying attention, but I think men worrying about their young girls dating is a big topic of discussion for them.
It does make more sense to me when you explain what that expression meant lol! I was like, “that sounds so wrong….”. I was only half listening, too.
I’m definitely glad to have two boys, I must admit. My oldest is 12, and he and his friends aren’t interested in anything except computer games and soccer at the moment so Joe can relax for a little while yet!
I follow Siggy on Insta. Does anyone else. Cause what she puts up there including the post from last night is proof that she us still salty, and completely mental, and this is never going to stop. I really hope they fire her
It’s just sad, watching Siggy melt down on social media. I had to unfollow because it’s so relentless every day! I just can’t take joy in it, because however illogical and ill-reasoned, her pain and her sense of injustice is obviously genuine.
I still don’t get what triggered it, or the repeated claims of “bullying” she’s made in interviews. Margaret seems utterly harmless and lighthearted from everything we’ve seen on-screen.
Did you notice she posted the same thing at least a dozen times about Hitler, her father, and how she’d never be sorry? Off the rails.
Yes! As if repeating it might suddenly mean it made sense….
Repeating the same thing over and over does make a statement suddenly make sense. Just like pressing the elevator button after its already lit makes the elevator move faster and honking in traffic makes it go away. Perfectly logical.
Thanks! I was looking for a good Polish language app. Need both Polish and German.
Everyone’s make up coordinated at the big dinner. Smoky eye, nude lip. *snort*
There is something wrong with Sig and it is painful to watch.
Husband’s family was mostly killed by Nazis. The rest had PTSD. So I asked him about Margaret’s analogy (points to Danielle for use of the term). He found it innoffensive and true.
The guy talks, the scenery, the Milan showroom, all so refreshing to watch. Dads do worry about their daughters that much. Always have.
Danielle had been making dirty asides all show, so the rainbow thing was no surprise. I had friends like that in high school (hell, sometimes I WAS that friend)
The food throwing was just dumb. Sig is just nuts. Show needs reformatting.
Now I want to make some risotto.
Yeah, in HIGH SCHOOL. Danielle is a 50 yr old woman. Bizarre.
U hit the nail on the head! Siggy is jealous of Margaret! It’s that simple.
I would guess that Teresa probably speaks a type of Italian that would be similar to the Italian version of “Spang-lish,” which would explain why we have only really heard her saying little phrases to her family in Sala Consilino (whatever it’s called). She knew her family wouldn’t call her out for her crappy Italian. Even her toast in front of that family was only “We love you all, and thank you.” If you recall, she has blamed her incoherency in the past on the fact that Italian is her “first language.”
Also, Danielle is as gross as ever, and Siggy really needed someone to tell her she was committing career suicide all season.
I was surprised to learn on WWHL that Dolores was a corrections officer in the past, but that definitely explains her terrifying facial expressions.
Currently watching and the same two things have irked me every episode.
First, Melissa seems to be acting immature for some reason that I just don’t understand.
Secondly, Danielle acting as if she should be there, and that she belongs, and is a valuable part of the show, really annoys me. I know it’s petty, but she is no one that is the least bit impressive. She just doesn’t know that, lol. Those are the two constants I’ve noticed, every week.
Oh, and Siggy is such an obviously weird contribution, that I assume everyone else feels she has no place where she belongs on this show. I truly only know/knew her from Wendy Williams hot talk on Friday episodes, and really thought she was smart, and instead, she’s cray cray. Still surprised by it, lol. (Had to add that after watching the whole episode).
Absolutely love Milan though. (After 40 years can still feel the feeling ?)
When I watched this episode, a few minutes in, I was hooked on Milan, loving the scenery, wanting to see more, and while I knew from the trailers the big restaurant embarrassment for all Americans was coming up, I fantasized that maybe they would delay to next week and show me some more of what I originally loved about the series…. interesting new places to explore, shopping, sight seeing, fashion, people, with a dash of drama.
Alas…. it was served up promptly. How entitled can you be to assume that because you are filming, you are not accountable for your behavior in public. Save it for the hotel room. Gawd! Yech. Not cool, right Countess LouAnn?
I recently heard Siggy interviewed on a podcast talking about this season. She said she is getting the bad edit this year and went in to some detail about the argument at the Gorga’s pasta restaurant vs. what was broadcast. Not saying she’s not meno-crazy but people saying she needs to be fired? C’mon. So many principled watchers against Siggy, yet they continue watching a convicted felon poorly regurgitating her lines on the weekly. If anyone should’ve ever been fired, it should’ve been Teresa.
Late for the party…I post days after shows air because I work OOT Sat-Tues. I stay at the “nurse’s” house after work to sleep, there is a TV there but we a have a couple of new nurses at the house and the “smart TV” is officially jacked up. If I can’t fix it with a hard reboot, I have to wait for the owner to fix, tech challenged. Short story longer, I usually watch recordings, found you TT and your amazing group of followers…believe me I “read around!” Not really ashamed to say it now because I learned a lot from my experimentation! Happily comfortable here.
Ugh! How embarrassing are these women? 1 as woman. 2 as Americans in a foreign country. 3 on a program that pays them to act beyond the idiots they are in real life?
I want to see Milan, HW’s taking pxs of the city, amazing architecture, historical sites… Did Teresa and Danielle even go inside of the the Cathedral? I want to see their beautiful hotel suites! If I was pissed at everyone or V versa? I’d still get dressed and walk around the city, sight see, shop and eat !!!! Pajamas and a face time call to anyone at home on such a short visit to Milan? I wouldn’t take the time to talk to someone unless a family emergency! How can these woman not see beyond the ends of their noses? The screeching! The lack of language skills in ANY language. The vulgar sexual conversations that are completely out of place in a high end dining experience ANYWHERE!
Still have yet to watch Atlanta, I love SF, lived there years ago. Again with the yelling and screeching in amazing settings where their voices are the least thing that should be heard and the set up by production? Just makes me soo sad.
I totally noticed that Teresa was afraid to speak Italian to the Italians. The only word she seemed comfortable with was “grazie,” which she actually pronounced like an Italian, for once. She should’ve just spoken her Jersey Italian. Who cares if it sucks. Italians understand Spanish, for God’s sake.
Did anyone else notice the “lover’s” jean jacket Melissa had on in her closet, said she wouldn’t wear to Italy w/o Joe…on Danielle during the veranda talk between her and Siggy? Is that just a standard wardrobe item sent out to all the housewives prior to shooting or did she have to borrow or just coincidence?
I saw that and wondered if it was something from Melissa’s store.
Just caught a few minutes of DBT in Italy, had to turn the channel quick. I don’t think anyone from Bravo should be allowed back there ever. Between the stupidity of the Bierman clan and the totally bad behavior of NJ the borders will be closed to all Americans. I visited Milan,Venice, and Florence years ago. Would love to go back. They may have ruined that for all of us. So much time wasted in such a beautiful place. They should be ashamed.
I agree about Siggy, something is wrong. I think she needs to get off the show and take care of herself. I also think Teresa needs to go. She should have never been allowed to come back. How about we just start over with NJ?
siggy batshit crazy, unhinged and has demonstrated this over and over. she does need a 72 hold/observation. clearly her bio id hormones are not working. part of it may b the way margaret has been accepted so well by queen teresa and many viewers. she is always the loudest, most embarassing in a restaurant. siggy has to stay in teresas good graces in order to come back to show. i think her counseling/advising/life coaching career is over!!! wondering how teresa is able to leave country? and is her poor, sick father responsible for the 4 girls?? she is as dumb as a rock and we can see, not only can she not speak english, but she can’t speak Italian which is supposed to be her first language. dolores ridiculous w/her unwaivering siggy defense. i think her ex really loves being on the show.
Margaret’s analogy about Hitler was in poor taste, but she obviously meant no disrespect nor is she anti Semitic. Siggy could have diverted the whole feud by behaving like an adult and being forthright in telling Marge that her remark made her uncomfortable. Dolores has an agenda against the Giudice/Gorga families, and is using Siggy as her pawn.
Why do you think Dolores has an agenda vs. Teresa or Melissa? I’ve never seen her do anything other than support the family of felony, not that they deserve it.
SIggy is a piece of shit ANd a fucking lunatic. I’ve had enough of her histrionics. Dolores needs a backbone. She said not doing Siggy any favors by licking her ass and not telling her she’s being a crazy person. Maybe she’s afraid of her.
Delores is in the Manzo/Laurita camp. Always has been. That’s why she is championing Siggy this year. She is quietly trying to sabotage Theresa. Her subtle slips when she is defending herself i.e. “IF he did cheat…” IF I did say that….” comments are clues to me that she has some agenda. It has to be her proud loyalty to her “friends”. I don’t think she really considers Theresa her friend. She’s there for the paycheck and defending Siggy puts her in the right position for being loyal to Manzos/Lauritas.
I was very surprised Teresa didn’t order in Italian. Maybe it’s just Joe who is fluent. I’m trying to remember if Teresa spoke Italian during their earlier trip to Italy.