Well, the title of this episode sure sounds promising. Nothing seems to excite y’all more than a good public shaming. Kim D was doing some press this week until Bravo had it all pulled, and in that press she was talking about how she groomed Teresa for prison and helped her prepare to serve her time. She talked about how close they were and how often they talked on the phone until the situation with Envy blew up and she helped the original owner of Envy liquidate all of her product. Then Melissa insisted that Teresa break all ties with her. All of that happened before filming started though, so… this must be a new public shaming.
Teresa, the NYT Best Selling Cookbook author clearly doesn’t know that you dry off pork chops before cooking them. Melania and the girls are tormented by their grandmother’s death. Melania says she sees her sometimes and it’s scary.
Siggy and Dolores talk about Margaret meeting with Siggy for a peace talk. Siggy says she left feeling better but Dolores says not to trust her. Siggy lets Dolores know that Margaret said that she and the other girls think Dolores is a follower.
Margaret and her husband Joe go to Melissa and Joe’s house for dinner. Margaret really slipped right into to all the big scenes in a hurry. How did she pull that off? Over a game of pool, Margaret tells Melissa that she and Siggy made up. Melissa still thinks she is owed an apology from Siggy. Why?
Siggy is having a dinner party to host the latest housewives brawl. Siggy is crying about everything. A normal conversation with her son has her crying her face off.
Melissa finds out that Teresa knew about the pizza place before she did. And even worse, Teresa is in on the business deal. Clearly Teresa was the one who put up the money. They have to launder that cash somehow.
Margaret’s mom is adorable and they look like twins. She is dating and has an active sex life that she hints is quite adventurous. Siggy calls to invite Margaret to her party but she is already committed to an event in Vegas.
Teresa, Danielle and Melissa all go out to lunch. Danielle has it in for Dolores and Siggy. Teresa said that Siggy apologized to her for some of the things she said. Melissa is pissed that Siggy hasn’t apologized to her. Melissa tells Teresa that she is being too soft on her kids and needs to put her foot down. This pisses Teresa off. I just ate a meal on an empty tummy and I am literally falling a sleep on the laptop.
Teresa and Joe meet at the pizza place to get things going with the restaurant. Teresa rides on Melissa for being late and Joe is on Melissa too. Teresa is still pissed at Melissa over the comment about her kids. Teresa says she will pitch in in the kitchen. Melissa says she will hostess. Teresa says that Melissa will just show up on the weekend nights and greet people. It seems weird that Melissa is being forced into the whole restaurant thing considering they did not even tell her about it. Why is Tre suddenly trying to tell her she has to wait tables?
Milania, in addition to dealing with her grandmother’s death, is still dealing with Joe being in prison. She emails him every day. Melissa is right. These girls need more structure, not Teresa giving in to their every desire and tolerating their backtalk. She needs to read Ivana Trump’s book on how to raise responsible adults. She had quite a regimented system in place.
Siggy is getting ready for her party. She says that Margaret and Teresa both apologized to her but she has heard nothing from Melissa. Everyone is desperate for an apology. Danielle rides over to the party with Teresa and takes that time to tell her that Dolores said that Teresa does not care about anyone, all she cares about it money and that Danielle should be careful around her. I do not believe Danielle. But Teresa is pissed. It’s interesting that production put only these two in the Bravo van.
At Siggy’s party she has someone there selling handbags and accessories. I wonder how Margaret is going to feel about that? Melissa comes in being super nice to everyone including Siggy and Dolores. She asks Siggy what she’s been up to since she hasn’t seen her since Boca. Siggy starts right in on how livid she was about Melissa’s behavior. Melissa points out that Siggy called everyone animals and said ugly things. Siggy denies saying that even though it was filmed. Was she blackout drunk or just in denial? Then she goes on again about the cake getting thrown across the floor. Melissa has had it. Then, all of the sudden, Siggy screams at the entire party. “I want to ask you a question, so I want everybody to shut up!” Wow. She screeches, “If I made a cake for you and it’s your birthday and it is beautiful and it is three-tiered and it gets thrown across the restaurant, how many people think that is rude, raise your hand!!!” Everyone raises their hand (and their eyebrows) and then Siggy screams ” Thank you! Who throws a cake in a restaurant!” at Melissa. Melissa is humiliated. Siggy then lays down on the floor on her back. Because, crazy dramatics are highly encouraged by production.
Teresa’s acting sucks more than ever this season. No wonder this season only has 12 episodes.
Teresa and the girls sit down and revisit the damn cake incident AGAIN. Teresa wants to know why she was on Siggy’s side and didn’t defend Teresa and Melissa. Since Danielle has giving Teresa a reason to go after Dolores, she has no issue about screaming at her. Teresa says that Dolores is attached at the hip to Siggy. Dolores says she has always stood up for Teresa and says that she has never said a bad word ever. This is the cue phrase for Danielle to throw it out there that Dolores said that Teresa’s loves money above anyone. While I think that is a true statement, I do not believe that Dolores said it.
Dolores goes off the chain screaming at Danielle and pointing at her. Dolores calls her a fucking liar and a crazy scumbag. She looks like she might punch Danielle in the face. Dolores turns to Teresa and asks her if she really thinks Danielle is back to be her friend. She says Dolores is a starving hungry bitch. Teresa can believe what she wants but she better sleep with one eye open around Danielle because she is up to no good. Danielle says she has nothing to gain by lying about this. Oh sure, she does. Camera time. Teresa is wondering why Danielle would lie. Teresa is dumber than a box of hair. Dolores alludes to Danielle’s mental problems and that sends Danielle off stage left to prepare for the fake crying scene with Teresa. Teresa counts off her beats before going to the final scene. Teresa and Melissa leave with Danielle. These lines are permanently drawn.
Next week: More drama at the pizza shop, Gia tells Teresa that she has to actually discipline her children, Teresa, Melissa and Margaret side with fucking Danielle Staub over Dolores and Siggy.
Wow– your recaps are pretty awesome. Danielle might be a little sketchy, but Dolores is a huge pussy. She agrees with Siggy on everything and stays silent despite siggy’s atrocious behavior. Dolores could have helped out Melissa during that incredibly awkward moment at Siggy’s. She doesn’t seem like much of a friend to Teresa either. Just read her blogs. I believe Danielle.
I agree, Dolores looked totally guilty. She doth protest too much!
Oh yeah Dolores definitely looked guilty! And the way she flew out of that chair? Talk about going into panic mode.
I hate that “doth protest” sentiment so fucking much. It’s a blanket excuse to believe someone is guilty for defending themselves. It’s easy to say “if it’s not true you just laugh it off” when you’re not personally involved, but I guarantee if a mentally unstable fugitive like Danielle (we all know someone like her) told someone you knew since high school straight up lies, you WOULD be doth fucking protesting.
That being said I wouldn’t be shocked if Dolores said it off the cuff, because it’s obviously true. She literally served time for wanting money.
While I agree with everything you said, In what universe would Dolores be hanging with DANIELLE unless she was filming. And even if she was filming with Danielle, why would she ever say that. And if she did, WHY NOT ROLL THE FILM like they do every time Siggy denies stuff she says when she is drunk?
This is made up shit. Dolores has always been ride or die Teresa even after she went to PRISON. She’s not going to trash her, even if she feels that way to fucking Danielle.
Maybe the met before filming. She did mention on WWHL that she has proof.
First season reunion, regarding whether Dina shared the book at the hair salon, Danielle also said she had proof of Dina’s guilt. She did not.
Danielle stated she “relied on the spoken truth…” Caroline was quick to clarify that is called hearsay not proof.
My point? Danielle does not know the definition of proof. Delores may have said what Danielle said she said, but I doubt there’s proof unless it was filmed.
Exactly! I think Dolores feels that way and may have even said it to someone but she didn’t confide in Danielle that makes no sense.
I am curious if Danielle is maintaining that Dolores said it or said it to HER which are not the same thing.
In reference to your recap and Kim preparing Teresa for prison–wouldn’t Danielle be a better option for prison prep? didnt she also get arrested ?
if she had the receipts, why didn’t she show them…?
bish be lyingggg
I completely agree with you. I found it offensive that Teresa would believe Danielle, someone who always took every opportunity to attack and degrade her, instead of believing someone who has been her friend for 20+ years. Then I remembered it was Teresa and the whole dumb as a box of hair thing, and it made sense. Prison didn’t change Teresa at all. She’s still the same vile person she’s always been.
Dolores looked guilty to me. Siggy with the cake and lying on the floor was ridiculous. She always has to make a scene. Why is siggy mad at Melissa, it was Teresa who through the whole cake? I like Margaret and she is the only person who lightens up this show. Bet none of them work in that restaurant. Don’t they have kids to raise?
That’s what I was thinking, TERESA threw the cake! For someone claiming to have been bullied all season Siggy is awfully aggressive.
The person I saw bullied last night was Melissa – and I fell asleep before Teresa called her a bitch.
True, but Siggy’s not going for The Queen. She will go at Melissa instead because she’s spineless and perceives Melissa to be an easier target.
Honestly, watching a woman have an emotional meltdown in front of our eyes over the past few episodes is more disturbing than entertaining.
Sure, Teresa threw the cake, but Melissa jumped into it with her. Frankly, I thought the cake throwing antic was ridiculous and classless. I can understand why Siggy is offended.
Melissa and Teresa will never have a real relationship because neither is capable of doing so. Teresa Guidice is a narcissist and her relationship with her sister in law is a perfect example of what narcissists to – over evaluation, devaluation and discarding. Its the pattern in her relationships.
I used to like Melissa, but I think she is almost just as bad as Teresa. I think its interesting that she uses her defunct “business” as an excuse to not assist at the pizza parlor. Where do they find these women? Nightmares, all of them
Awesome recap! After seeing tonight’s episode, I understand why the entire cast wanted Danielle cut out of the episodes and gone! Danielle is just as shady as she was back in the day when she first started RHONJ! Back then, she was intent on breaking up the Manzo family, now she’s out to destroy all these women’s friendships. Danielle is a narcissistic sociopath and she gets a feeling of control when she can manipulate people and make them turn on one another. This is why she has no real friends-she’s not to be trusted. I don’t believe Dolores said anything to Danielle that she wouldn’t want repeated to everyone. Dolores may be stuck at the hip to Siggy (who has THE CRAZY so bad I want to reach through the screen and shove Estradiol down her throat) but Dolores isn’t a nasty person. She’s been friends with Teresa a long time and Danielle wants her gone. That’s how narcissists work, they want to ‘own’ the person and not have any competition from their target’s other friends.
Teresa is the center of the show now, and Danielle wants to be her BFF so she can stay on the show.
They’ll see the true Danielle before long, and it’s gonna be ugly!
I agree. But where was it printed that the “entire” cast wanted her scenes cut?
Yeah I don’t remember reading that anywhere.
Great comment, Beth. I didn’t watch the show back when Danielle was on before, but I can already see what the issues must have been. I’m just not sure why Teresa is so taken in by Danielle – didn’t she learn from past experience? Margaret needs to keep wearing those pigtails – the scenes of her with her hair pulled back made her look 20 years older. That’s why I wear mine feathered around my face – hides some of my broad cheekbones, but unfortunately doesn’t hide any of my wrinkles, which, by the way, I’ve earned. with lots of laughter.
“Why would Danielle Staub lie?!” – Dolores vs Danielle gave me flashbacks of Teresa vs Danielle S02 reunion.
Line of the season. It’s funny that every housewives’ show has drama stemming from “unrecorded convos” Phaedra & Porsha last season. Cary and Brandi this season (Chop shop docs). Lisa V and Lisa R about Yolanda 2 seasons ago. Ramona and everybody…
There was a WHOLE season on Beverly Hills that revolved around an, “unrecorded” conversation between Kyle and Camilla Grammar. Was that season one?
I’m on team Delores here and I agree with Psyloche, I hate that whole thou dost protest too much crap. The way Delores popped up so fast, I believe her reaction was authentic-she was truly shocked. She’s always been a bit different than the other women, loyal but she also sticks to what she believes in, even if it might alienate her from the group (she sided with Jacqueline in Vermont against Teresa).
It’s really clear that she doesn’t like Danielle so why would she suddenly confide in her and share something negative with her about another friend of 20 years. Uh, uh, don’t buy it. I’d be royally pissed off too.
As Dr Phil always says, “Past behavior is an indicator of future behavior”. Check her out on season 2. Danielle is a thirsty, nut job who wants her Jersey tomato back.
Man, Margret and Danielle have wasted NO time, they moved in quick!!
I agree with SliceoPie and Psyloche. I hate that easy pass saying. I have been victimized by someone claiming something atrocious out of an innocent comment, playing the telephone game and turning into something ugly and manipulative. I was OUTRAGED! I reacted similarly, and called her out right there after she said “I think you doth protest to much”. I repeated verbatim in front of God and everyone exactly what I said and how it was represented.
Then I repeated verbatim what she said I said. It quickly became apparent how it transpired. But then, if Delores handled it like that, there would be no continuing storyline. Sigh. It would be nice to be Danielle’s manipulation implied quickly, thus rendering her not as clever as she thinks she is. As we say in Montana, she is more cunning like a coyote, than clever like a fox.
This is the queen teresa show! Melissa is blindsided by teresa and joe re the pizza place and she’s supposed to wk there and own her shop and raise 3 kids! Teresa was shaming her for being late and not wanting to waitress…… And I’m not a melissa fan. Siggy – a relationship expert – according to whom? Again w the stupid cake. She invites them to her home and has a ridiculous scene over the cake again. Notice she made up w Teresa so she could stay on the show I’m sure!!! She can’t manage her kids – she’s a joke!
Watching now and I feel HORRIBLE for Melissa. I think that while a lot is scripted she didnt know that Teresa knew about the restaurant before she did. T is finally getting what she wanted… a partnership with her brother that ices Melissa.
I hope he bought it under an LLC or corp., otherwise Melissa is responsible as well when shit hits the fan.
Joe and Teresa do nitcrespect Melissa.
Joe was very wrong to not talk to Melissa first about the restaurant and Teresa.
Teresa never should had asked Melissa to waitress.
Danielle lied, Delores screechs because that is her. She never would had said that about Teresa.
25 year friendship.
Teresa and Melissa’s friendship is over.
Teresa and Delores friendship. Is over.
Only watched the end, I can’t watch Danielle . Evil.
Teresa is such a shitty person. No matter how nice Melissa is to her, Teresa wants to ensure she knows her place.
I 100% agree with your comments. As a wordsmith I have never used or know how to define the term nitcrespect I will have to look this term up after I leave this comment. I believe it means the disrespect of Melissa (judging from what happened in the previous episode). I thought at one point Teresa and Joe were going to open a glamorous restaurant, this pizza parlor would be a great place for Gia to be a waitress, hell, nobody follows the law in this family, she could serve alcohol to patrons until the cops came to close it down. Why can’t Teresa serve a few bowls of pasta are her hands too delicate? Teresa says she is a real Gorga and Melissa is only one by marriage so get to work Teresa you are the sole breadwinner for the kids in the marble mausoleum.
Melissa is a catfish, she will do and say whatever she has to in order to keep the coins coming into her checking account. Judging from her vocabulary, her OBVIOUS stupidity i.e. famous people i.e. Michael Jackson, and the “guy who invented the light bulb”, I do not believe for one second that she ever attended any educational institution above High School. The ONLY person who says she was teaching Second Grade when she met Joe has is Melissa. It might be interesting to find out where Ms. Melissa attended any College of Education and what year she graduated. We all know she was a bikini bartender (she admitted this) but never has she talked about her College Education. Don’t you think that when Ziggi talked about being the smartest person in the world Melissa would have jumped up and said “wait a minute I also have a College Degree so what about that” but Mellissa just stayed quiet, VERY TELLING. Melissa knows which side her “bread is buttered on” she will continue to keep the peace with one of the resident cast member Felons TA-DA!!! Teresa until Melissa explodes.
Danielle is not disappointing anyone when it comes to her behavior, once a Sociopath, always a Sociopath. The only thing that has changed is her dayglow teeth and her wrinkles. I could not stand her a few years ago, I still can’t stand her now. The only difference is for the moment, she is one of Teresa’s minions but I am sure that will change as the season progresses..
Teresa needs to have someone to blame for everything that goes wrong in her life. Life according to Teresa means she has never done or said anything wrong in her life EVER. Jaqueline and Caroline are responsible for the government putting both Joe and her in prison so now it is OK for Danielle to come back (for a while). ANYONE who Teresa perceives (if it bothers her) as taking a dig at her will get her full wrath so now Melissa is in line for Teresa to unload on her for making a comment on Teresa’s parenting skills eventually Delores and Ziggi will see Teresa without her mask on when the mask comes off and Teresa starts blaming both of them for various wrongs in her life they will leave, they don’t need the show’s coin. Danielle is about to feel the full wrath of Delores I can’t wait to see how this plays out. This will leave Teresa all alone with her 4 “beautiful daughters”, her father, her brother, and because she has to, her sister-in-law. I know what it feels like to loose both of my parents, Teresa is mad at her husband because she did not have the time she was service in the “big house” to spend with her mother, I feel sad for Teresa’s loss, and I can tell her father is getting ready to leave this world himself, his wife was his world and slowly he is moving toward leaving due to a broken heart. This NOT something I hope happens, I hope it does not happen but from my own experience of losing both my mom and dad I can see the signs, I hope Teresa is strong enough to weather the crushing grief. I will pray for her in this circumstance.
Honestly, I don’t understand what Andy see’s in this chick she is so shady, a shady, shady “Tre”.
A simple google search showed this –
“According to NJ.com, Melissa graduated with a B.A. degree in elementary education from New Jersey City University”
Melissa may be a lot of things but she’s not so stupid to lie about something like that… Teresa would have been ALL OVER that 6 years ago if there was even a hint of her lying about her education.
As someone who has taught from first grade thru college, I can assure you that the idiots who major in elementary ed these days are utter morons. A lot of young women who just want a job until they have some babies teach elementary school. The kind of questions they would ask me in team meetings were jaw droppingly stupid.
Good to know, and TT YOU ARE SO RIGHT, MELISA IS A MORON. I am glad my kids were home schooled .
I don’t believe that Melissa didn’t know about the restaurant. Nope. It doesn’t ring true to me. Melissa and Joe’s scenes have felt very contrived for years. I believe they sit at home and plan their scenes out. The whole, my wife can’t work, me a caveman who can’t take care of the kids that are suddenly screaming in every scene even though they’ve been well behaved for years….I say BS. I don’t think they plan out every word-there’s definitely some spontaneity there but they arrange the situations.
I see this differently. Melissa and Joe arrived in Season 3(after begging for Danielle’s assistance) to :
1) Get rich
2) Get on national TV pretending to be rich and
3) Destroy Teresa and Joe as they promoted themselves and their
:”careers”.
They failed at 1 , and partially failed at 2 & 3. There has not been a moment when they were not scrambling ,willing to do anything to “bring Teresa down”.
There never was a Teresa/Melissa friendship . Mel and Joe have adjusted as T’s popularity rose and survived while others did not, and each of Melissa’s career ventures failed, their schemes failed, and they were shown to be low life scum bags. I can give many examples.
Their presence and desire to destroy led to a great deal of change in the show, which Bravo might say played as they hoped, but the only times Mel and Joe were honest were when they described and lived out their hatred of his sister and Joe.
Teresa and Mel have whatever relationship she is capable of getting as Melissa clings to life on the show. She is barely doing that, since she brings nothing to the table, and only survives because she as a family connection worth using in stories at the moment.
The minute that is no longer is of value, Mel is gone. So all they have ever done is lie , showcase themselves, and lie some more. And, as you correctly point out, Joe and Melissa are terrible actors, so they do that poorly too.
Lots of great points. My theory is that Dolores did say Teresa is only interested in $. Teresa hasn’t been willing to share her success with family members all that readily by including them on the show. She may have had valid reasons. You can’t pick your family.
Teresa didn’t want her brother and Melissa on the show, but failed because joe gorga was a hit with Andy. Same goes for Rosie and Kathy. Those two finally got the boot after they unsuccessfully (and sort of pathetically) tried to make amends on camera. The thirst was real with those two and they made the mistake of cozying up the the Manzos and their spawn. None of Melissa’s family appears on camera any more. Teresa despises them as well. Unlike other franchises, this is her show.
I’m actually enjoying NJ this year minus Siggy. Melissa especially. If I were on reality tv, I’m sure I’d say a few stupid things the producers could highlight. And “the guy who invented the lightbulb” comment was hysterical, especially from someone from NJ.
I say BRAVO should just wipe the entire cast of RHONJ and start over. This show is not fun to watch anymore, it is just full of lies, deceit, poor actors, wanna be actors, and people with low morals. It is time for a change in New Jersey, how about using the cast members from Jerseylicious? Some of those guys and gals can “get it together”, They can throw shade, it might be a refreshing change. HOW ABOUT IT ANDY? I know you read these comments.
This ENTIRE season is in the dumpster- I have never seen such poor acting in any of the franchises, in any year. Even Vanderpump Rules acting is better. These people don’t fit what I want from Jersey- that Siggy, and worse Margaret-WTF?. Casting despairation. Danielle’s face looks scary. Enough said. Just got in an argument with Husband- why is it on, if you think it’s that bad? I say, it’s like watching your favorite team at bat, when you know they are going to lose. SO- what’s a girl to do?This hobby is not fun- only NY is left? Jersey is beyond redemption.
Teresa is a genuine moron. She’ll probably be president in 2020.
Siggy needs medicating or euthanizing, because she’s making herself very unhappy about very pointless stuff and needs to be put out of her misery.
Dolores is awesome. I enjoy her. She’s afraid of no one, and I don’t think she’s Siggy’s follower – she just thinks Siggy’s right. I disagree with her on that, but I like that she’s the only cast member who’s actually having an opinion about a situation rather than trying to form alliances or create drama for camera time. She’s the most genuine of a very, very phoney group of women.
Margaret and her mom are fun. I think her mom should have been the Housewife instead though!
I kind of like Melissa. She’s one of the most fake people I’ve ever observed, but I think deep down she realizes that about herself and just wants to play the game until the Bravo ca$h dries up – some of these other women don’t even seem to recognize how abnormal that behavior is, but I think Melissa does. She looks like a genius next to her hairy fraudster sister-in-law.
That last line!! Hairy fraudster sister in law.. lol that’s genius, thanks for the laugh I needed that
I agree with everything you said with the exception of euthanizing Siggy, that was totally uncalled for. Cut from this cast is one thing but to say a human being should be euthanized is WRONG.
Oh Lord, there’s always one….
Tone and hyperbole are really lost on you, huh? Stick around – TT will probably tell someone to go die in a fire before the day is out, I hope you can cope.
ROFLMAO
Nailed it Johnny. Especially your recap of Melissa.
What a shit show this has turned into. Seriously does anyone think Dolores would confide in Danielle?? These people hold the most petty of grudges, sprinkle cookies, cake, ludicrous parenting comments, it’s absurd. I’ll say this, Danielle scares the crap out of me, she’s good drama but she’s still scary
Show of hands – who thinks it’s beyond rude to invite people to your home and call them “trash?”
Or to single out a guest in your home for embarrassment? Siggy is insane.
Cannot stand Siggy this season. Last week, Siggy told Dolores that she declined Margaret’s invitation because she was afraid Margaret might embarrass her in front of Margaret’s guests (an irrational concern, I thought at the time). Then, this week, Siggy turned around and embarrassed Melissa in front of Siggy’s house full of guests.
Already this season, there are multiple instances of Siggy having one set of standards for herself and another for her “frenemies.”
I was impressed with the way Melissa handled Siggy’s theatrics–with a nervous smile, but no drama. Agree with Johnny above–Melissa plays like she is “in on the joke.” And she usually can separate the petty from the important.
Projection on Siggy’s part – afraid others might treat her how she treats people!
Exactly! You summed it up in a single word. Thanks~
Yippee a public shaming! Gathering the villagers & handing out pitchforks!
It’s incredible how blatant Bravo are becoming with their agenda. This entire franchise has taken on the misogynistic “burn the witch” mentality, and now they’re even naming episodes in recognition of it.
It’s not that I mind a good catfight – but not when it’s engineered, not when the goal is to totally destroy the opponent, and not when it isn’t coupled with more aspirational stuff about their families, businesses, and lifestyles. Every dinner or social gathering or trip is now geared to starting a knock-down drag-out fight, and it’s lost all the shock factor now. When Dolores jumps off her chair and looks like she’s about to punch someone, it barely raises a murmur these days – it’s become predictable. Bravo need a new perspective if they want RHoNJ (and the other Housewives shows) to go on for much longer.
Exactly, Grown women acting like fools and creating a huge scene drew viewers because it was an anomaly in the real world. There was a HOLY SHIT! DID YOU SEE THAT CRAZY BITCH? reaction online. It drove lots of traffic. Both on websites like mine and to the show itself,
So production decided to just make every show into a dramatic brawl. One more ridiculous than the other, We eventually got to rape allegations, a suicide, and physical assaults.
Now we are having an entire season about someone throwing a cake. All staged All bullshit,
And we just don’t care anymore,
agree 1000%
This is why I LOVED Ladies of London and the Melbourne Housewives because the women on those shows are actual friends, who occasionally had real fights but then genuinely made up, moved on and had some fun.
I may have to check out of the remainder of this season but Tamara your recaps are awesome and often more entertaining than the show! Thank you for taking one for the team by watching all of these train wrecks.
oh how I miss Ladies of London!
Same! I really liked each of those women individually, they were all accomplished and genuinely upwardly mobile, and some of them had been in each other’s social circle for a Iong time. I really admired Caroline Stanbury’s honesty over the collapse of her business too – there was no fronting or pretense, no lies. I don’t think we’ve ever seen that kind of candor and integrity from any of the Housewives.
Me too !!
And I agree with very comment in this thread.
Even if we acknowledge that Atlanta and Jersey were meant to be showing the ratchet side of their worlds, and to attract that audience, the truth is that is not what the entire franchise was meant to do.
Many of the viewers, myself included, watched all of them to see the differences, experience the different women and situations- originally they provided some lightweight entertainment./diversion from day to day life.
But TT said it beautifully- that each was dramatized into a nut house was absurd and lazy. Similar issues led to similar extremes that ultimately turned everyone off.
They either change this now and attempt to appeal with wit, intelligence and integrity or this franchise is done. The vast majority of these women will not survive the transition to a franchise along those lines, I believe I can see some women of BH, most NY, a few Dallas, but that is all , I believe, who would make it through to the intelligent ,compelling, aspirational world of a classier, revived series. Ladies of London should make that group, too.
At the moment I cannot think of much else.
Yes! There use to be a big build up for several episodes and then you’d have a Scary Island etc. The disagreements were authentic: Jill and Bethenny, “get a life”, crying on the sidewalk scenes. You could relate and empathize with their friendship break-up because it was real. Now you have women DELIBERATELY go after each other so they can keep their peach or apple. It’s encouraged. I was listening to Danielle on Watch What Happens Live and she talked about how she was gunning for Delores, she didn’t want her life to be a cakewalk (of course her speech was full of malapropisms-it’s Jersey)
Damn! You are on fire Johnny. Reading my mind and saving me some typing!
When I watch this shit show what I really wonder about is what happened with that cutting Danielle out and (as a result?) limiting this season to just 12 episodes? Its far more interesting than cake being tossed. And I dont think its just about that video with racist rant from Danielle – it was online for years.
On the side note – today in my dream TT visited me in person 😀
I think I’d need a passport renewal for that.
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That’s why it was so nice 😀
Clearly she likes you best, she’s never visited moi!
I agree that Danielle was lying to bring drama and camera facetime. What a lowlife fraud. And how stupid is Theresa to believe her? I am so mad at Bravo for bringing her back. I can’t stand her face, her voice or her bull.
Theresa was so mean to Melissa too at the restaurant. wtf? Theresa thinks she is in charge.
Siggy needs a straight jacket. Or a good punch to the throat, because her craziness is fabricated. Her son is clearly sick of her tears and manipulation. What so-called therapist doesn’t know that at his age, and approaching college, it is normal for her son to pull away? Delores had it right on that point.
So called therapist is the key phrase. And self- defined relationship expert.
I’ve never met a person who was overly proud of themselves, and of articulating it, as Siggy was, who was not covering up real problems/insecurities/illnesses. Siggy has become so boorish, so out of control rude, obnoxious and self-indulgent, so unaware of her impact on others and unconcerned about it, that it is clear she has some severe problems- of her own making.
She is so far from an expert at relationships- that it is sad. Apparently she is either 1) so desperate for TV appearances that she will change herself to be whoever/whatever Bravo wants her to be, or 2) so caught up in her own publicity that she has lost all sense of reality and who she is.
It has appeared that, from this Season’s Episode One, we have been blessed with more exaggerated Siggy each episode. She has gone from telling all just how much smarter she is than any of them(which no truly wise person would ever say to another person) in the first episode, as well as using another series of excesses to celebrate her superiority as a relationship expert as well as a supreme being. From that first episode, she has continued to grace us with an escalating scale of outrageous ,overdone, physically more loud and more demanding the attention of all people in her vicinity. All of these moments have been executed without concern for impact on anyone but herself, their feelings, their hearing, their friendships, their lives.
All were executed with one agenda and one purpose- to demand that all present must be impacted by
her actions, her feelings, her demands,- her—– and must acknowledge ( if in silence) nothing could be more important , and no one more correct , than her and anything she has to say.
Having watched her make a scene at her own party to the point of laying down on her floor while embarrassing a guest with her double barreled screams, after making a completely different scene as a domineering ,and overbearing ( in a sensitive way) mom of her high school age son, I feel very sorry for her.
If Siggy ever had any common sense, any modicum of intelligence, wisdom or savvy, she has completely lost it. If she ever showed one ounce of capability in understanding and helping others deal with interpersonal challenges, or understand themselves, even, she cannot begin to do even the first most basic of these steps now. She is in serious need of psychological support, analysis and medication, I believe. At best, she is a sick lady who became overly sensitive and has been lost in something too much for her, with menopause kicking her butt, and hormone treatments not helping it seems. One of the worst possibilities is that she is just playing for Bravo- but more realistic is that she is so caught up in her own tale of terrific self that she believes her own lies, and has ZERO real friends.
In all cases, she has made herself a pure fool on the show. A very unattractive arrogant lady.
Sign is on some weird track. When you read her twitters, they are all sunshine and roses, and full of people 1000% supporting her irrational actions. Really? Anyone buying that? She needs professional help.
Didn’t Juicy Joe open a pizza (money laundering) joint in some previous season? This whole restaurant idea looks nothing but shady to me. And there’s no way Teresa, a felon, could be an actual partner, or they would never be able to get a liquor license. (even in New Jersey!)
I was going to suggest she might be a silent partner, but then I started laughing at the thought.
Bwahaha! ?
I have learned from past seasons production is behind half of the things said off camera.
It is possible that this season is even more distasteful than RHOC. Manufactured drama, franken-byte editing, and even bad scripted scenes (all Melissa and Joe scenes are scripted and or invented by them for the camera in my opinion). I think a lot happened before filming and it would have been interesting to see how it evolved in real time. I would have liked to see how Tre and Danielle became friends again. I would have paid to see Kim D and Melissa’s ex partner remove all the merch in the middle of the night. I would have like to have seen Melissa and Danielle talk about how they worked together behind the scenes in season 2 to “take Tre down.” Drives me crazy that Melissa comes off like she never had a past with Danielle when on Season 4 she says to Teressa “Yes I called your enemy” (Danielle). This erased past is what annoyed crazy Jaq last season. Melissa is great at being film-able for the current season. All the really cool stuff happens behind the scenes with this cast because they are so shady/criminal/whatever. With the Manzo/Laurita connection gone, and Joe serving time, it is hard to manufacture drama that reflects the adversity of these relationships. Just my 2 cents. … oh why doesn’t Siggy start a cake throwing business with Kathy Walkile?
As a mother I was horrified at Siggy bringing up her sons interest in his girlfriends “cookie” and then acting jealous of said Cookie.
That is in appropriate statement to make in private never mind on camera
So speaking of apologies Siggie owes him and the girlfriend an apology
I agree, Kate. That whole scene was cringe worthy and I’m not even a mother!! That was very disrespectful and I’m sure his girlfriend (let alone HER mother!) must be embarrassed as well. I know boys get to a certain age/stage when they may not be so open with their moms but the fact that he’s a senior and she was begging him to tell her where he had applied to college…WTF??? She fell apart & he looked embarrassed. I just don’t get it. Maybe I don’t have the $$$’s to understand it…perhaps that’s it.
Tell me what parent doesn’t get involved with where their kids are applying for college? FInancial aid , etc. The fact her son was spending the night at his girlfriends house? Talk about disconnected from her son’s life. It’s just Siggy ; Siggy and more Siggy 24/7.
If, I was her kid.. I would run as fast as I could.
Really, parents taking on the college application process is like taking on a second job. I cannot imagine a kid going through that massive endeavor without help.
I felt so sorry for Joshua. Teenage hormones and menopausal hormones really don’t belong in the same house – it can’t be a pleasant living situation. It’s taken me all day to recover from the whole “cookie” conversation.
My mom had me when she was 40. All these older pregnancies on reality shows make me think of the clash of the preteen-teen hormones and the menopause years. It was a very dark time in our household.
This was the single worst scene of the show, so cringe- worthy.
That cookie conversation was ugly. A mother’s role is unique with her children, if you invest in them, Siggy- you have had his whole life to do that, unlike the girlfriend. You do owe the an apology.
She and Dolores appear to be absentee mothers- and I don’t think it has to do with dollars- neither know much about the kids’ lives- both boys are punishing the parents and not sharing the college info.
That Dolores finds colleges something the counselor shodlld be aware of but she should not be involved in is ridiculous. Who is at fault if he is late on his applications? How about it starts with you MOm? You should have been talking to him about colleges for years.
My mom was also 40 when she had me, TT. In 1957 that was quite unusual, and I have siblings who are 16, 14, 12, and 10 years older than me. I have a niece who is only 4 years younger. And YES! When my mom was in menopause, I was in puberty and it was NOT PRETTY! ?❤️
I don’t think Danielle is lying about Dolores, but I think it’s been overstated / twisted to fit into the drama.
Dolores and Siggy are both hypocrites and are far too extra this season.
Siggy refused to go to Maragrets house to prevent being humiliated in a house full of strangers (no one can blame her for that), yet did the same to Melissa. She comes across as unhinged and narcissistic this season… Someone buy her a copy of her own book!
Dolo took exception to Jacqueline, Kim D and now Siggy being called crazy / manipulative but does the same thing to Danielle. ?
yes, what happened to juicy joe’s pizza joint?? how is teresa going to work weekends in a pizza restaurant when she’s sooo busy running the girls to all their activities and going to see joe every weekend. saw a rhonj reunion the other day from maybe Season 3 ??? teresa pre-prison w/caroline manzo and melissa. boy was everyone calling her out on her lies, lies, lies. soon there will be no one left for teresa to film with. joke how she talks abt sending her daughters to college and it’s around the corner as she always has people come to the house for hair and makeup just for an evening out. $$$ seems to be no object. the best purses, clothing, shoes, jewelry, trips etc.
siggy has said on more than one occasion that her son Joshua came from her cookie! seems like she needs a life coach/shrink!!!! rather than giving the advice!!
Yes she says it all the time. It seems she thinks it is cute. Personally I throw up a little bit in my mouth every time.
I never heard it before. Thought it was disgusting.
Like Johnny stated above, I feel bad for Joshua. I guess I feel bad for Siggy too because she can’t possibly be happy but Joshua is a young man about to enter the world and I worry he’s been emotionally scarred and maybe ill prepared. Doesn’t he have a sister, too? Hopefully their dad has provided what Siggy appears to lack.
I don’t believe Danielle for one moment and I really wanted to but I can’t see Dolores sharing that kind of info with her.
Melissa and Teresa “make nice” with each other as best they can. Hopefully it will continue but who knows. My grandma and grandpa’s sister pretty much despised one another their whole lives, yet the way the family was, they were constantly around each other. It would be nice if Teresa and Melissa actually ended up truly close. It looked to me like Joe winked at Teresa when he was telling the 2 women they would have to listen to him because he had the final say about the restaurant. I even ran it back to check it out a 2nd time. Based on the upcoming scenes it looked like Gia was telling T the same thing Melissa was about raising the girls. Maybe T will take it to heart and not be so offended by Melissa’s comment. We’ll see.
I swore I wasn’t going to watch this crap again, but here I am…
Margaret’s mom was great. Margaret really does get in a lot of scenes.
Siggy is such a wrong fit for this show. I just do not understand her being on it, even more so, her return. I would not miss her in the least. To me, she is just noise.
Melissa should point out to Teresa that her mother was also only a Gorga by marriage. Teresa is such a moron.
EXCELLENT POINT!
And that Teresa’s children are NOT Gorgas… that Melissa’s boys are the ones who will carry on the Gorga name.
(Now, I do realize that Antonia is a Gorga and maybe she will make something classy about the name, but I doubt that, if she gets married, she will keep her birth name.
It is an excellent point!! I never even thought about that before.
I mean, what kind of stupid insult is that anyways?
My BFF has an aunt in law who also married into the family. She used to interject herself into mild family disagreements or conversations about their background between the biologically related ones with “Well, I’m a “Smith” too! I’m a “Smith” too!”
When I was witness to it at one gathering, my friend leaned over to me “Times like this I’m glad I’m not genetically related to any of them!”
Frankly, the next time Teresa says bullshit like that, she needs to say “THANK GOD. Here is hoping that the kids take after me! I’m sure your MOTHER felt the same way!”
This was an interesting episode for me.
I just love Dolores. She is someone I would like to be friends with…… I do agree that she probably said those words but maybe not to Danielle. Those words about Teresa seem like fact to me so for her to say does not seem crazy. I do not think she would say to Danielle. Plus, Danielle’s hurt seemed real. Did production tell Danielle to say that based on what they heard?
I like siggy too. What she did to Melissa would be horrifying if anyone else but I do not really care for Melissa. Melissa needs a little visit from karma.
I do not usually care for teresa but when I watch her with her children my heart melts.
The lady with pigtails seems entertaining.
Although this season is better that last, the rantings are horrific (1,25 mil last night) .. Only Dallas rh are lower, and that one airs @10pm.. I’m sure Bravo woll not be happy if the ratings don’t improve..
Because they brought Danielle back.
Clearly, she is a ratings disaster not to mention the hot ass mess that is the rest of the cast.
Coming from a restaurant family, that idea is the dumbest one yet. You cannot possibly imagine the work and stress that goes from trying to make a living out of a dinky place like that.
People don’t spend money is restaurants with cafeteria seating.
Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Which is why it’s the perfect business for them. They can start showing a miraculous profit right away. And “Joe” probably paid cash for the place. And Melissa is clearly out of the loop of what is really going on.
I thought new businesses were set up so they could show a loss for the first five years and have it be tax deductible. Having never done it i surely could be wrong.
It’s about money laundering. AKA explaining to the government where your money came from. I really am not sure how that works exactly but I heard Joe tried to run his money through a pizzeria. i guess that is because if they pay taxes on the illegal money they can’t go to jail?
The IRS is pretty smart and can track money these days better than ever even a a year ago.
I am sorry , there are too many “joes” to keep track of these days on the show.
If it ain’t in your bank account; if it isn’t a documented loan.. then manna from heaven?
AS an aside Did Joe and Melissa sell the house that they built?
Too confusing….too fake… think top chef is my best bet.
Peachy, have you checked out Top Chef Junior? They are already on ep 3 airing tonight! i watched the first two last night and because i am an evil person i desecrate every kid for one thing or another. i keep the comments to myself but it’s just so fun for me ?
Wait what? There is a Top Chef Junior? On Bravo? How do I not know about this. I’ve never seen a top chef Junior.
Yeah, um, no way Melissa was surprised about the restaurant. None of them will work there when cameras are off. They will each pull a salary though.
If someone wants to “launder” bad money through the business to clean it, they can easily cheat the system. For instance, the real daily sales are $2000, but they ring up $5000. Then they take huge salaries. And later sell the business at an inflated price because the sales (value) looks higher. Their large salaries look legit and extends their credit. Plus, they give each other generous benefits (company cars/trucks, best healthcare, bonuses, retirement match, etc). They don’t care about paying taxes on the income. They need to show legit income to back-up lifestyle.
Wonder where the “bad money” is really coming from? It’s not all appearances and autographs for cash. It’s something else. You don’t go through all the trouble unless it’s significant $$$.
There was a big sting in the area where I grew up, all involving pizza places. They were great fronts for drug trafficking, a lot of people in and out, phone ringing all the time, cash business, etc.
Dorlores said it that’s why she got upset – she was outed. For a woman who’s bashing Margaret for not having Siggy’s back – pot meet kettle – she hasn’t had Tre’s back this entire season. Once she lied to defend Siggy I was done with her. According to her own rules you back your oldest & dearest friend. If we’re talking numbers, then she should’ve backed Tre & Melissa during cake-gate knowing the truth but she pussed out and backed Siggy.
Siggy has damaged her brand by her antics on this show. The humiliation of Mel at her house was absolutely uncalled for and I tweeted that to Siggy (she answered back a number of times).
If I may ask: how did Siggy reply to you? Did she defend her actions; acknowledge that she was out of line; or just ignore the matter and engage or attack you?
Ummmm….
I think Daniel is being truthful. The truth was written all over Dolores’s face when she denied it. The camera doesn’t lie. Remember the scene when Ramona told Mario a psychic said he was involved with another woman?
Poor Joshua!
Siggy do you realize how gross you are comparing your “cookie” to your son’s girlfriend’s cookie?
Ugh please don’t superimpose someone’s feelings/your bias on someone elses “facial expressions”. You’re not in their mind, your watching them on a TELEVSISION. Psychics and interpreting what you want to see in someone else’s facial expression is not reality – please remember that if you’re unforetunetly ever on jury duty.
Ugh please don’t superimpose someone’s feelings/your bias on someone elses “facial expressions”. You’re not in their mind, your watching them on a TELEVSISION. Psychics and interpreting what you want to see in someone else’s facial expression is not reality – please remember that if you’re unforetunetly ever on jury duty.
Why is no one speaking about the most important part of this episode??!! MILANIA SEES DEAD PEOPLE!! This poor kid is going through so much and now on top of everything, sees her dead nonna at school. That is a whole other show I could get into.
Poor kid. And all she got from Teresa was an open mouthed stare.
I agree. That was pretty chilling. You’re right I can’t believe no one has mentioned that until now.
I actually went back and watched it a few times. It was such a real moment in a show full of fluff.
I wish she had someone more capable than Teresa hearing it, though.
I have the feeling that their poor grief stricken father got conned into giving them the money for the restaurant. Neither one of them is liquid enough for such an endeavor and no bank is going to loan Teresa money. They may have sold his house or gotten a reverse mortgage on it and are renting it out while he lives with Teresa, or it could be a typical housewives scenario that it is non existent and just for show while filming.