Updated Post:
Gretchen Rossi has weighed in posting this on Sidney’s Facebook Post:
“You have no idea how your brave words are helping so many who have been wronged by your Mother’s manipulation and lies as well….so thank you for being brave enough to speak the truth.commented I am so sorry your mother and your family is going through any of this, especially publicly, but continue to stay strong. Your morals and strength are commendable and inspiring.”
Causing Tamra to post a now removed response to Gretchen on Instagram:
“I usually don’t give this troll any attention because it’s exactly what she wants. But after years of her bashing me and now reaching out to my daughter I must say. Gretchen you are the biggest piece of shit I’ve ever met. Move on with your sad empty childless life and stay out of mine you thirsty wannabe.You are obsessed with my life and I haven’t even seen or spoke to you in 5 years. #MoveOn ? You have NO IDEA What my family is going through or what the truth is, Nor do you care. It’s just an opportunity for you to get your name in the press. #obsessedfreak Funny you of all people should be talking about morals ?. You have none!”
And to post yet ANOTHER reply to Sidney on her Facebook:
“All I’ve ever done is love you from the second I found out I was pregnant. I’m sorry you hate me so much. I fought so hard for you. I will always love you and hope you realize one day how wrong all this is. So hurtful and not necessary.”
Once again, it’s all about Tamra.
Tonight while I was recapping the most boring episode of Real Housewives of Orange County ever, Sidney Barney as writing a post about Tamra on Facebook. While Tamra has been making it seem like things were getting better between them. Sidney says that is definitely not the case. Below are her words.
Sidney Barney 1hrI want to start by clearing some things up as my mother continues to talk about me despite me requesting her to stop speaking of me publically as I don’t want to be associated with her or the show. For starters, I did not move out when my parents got a divorce nor did I chose my fathers side in the divorce. My parents separated in 2010, I moved out of my mother’s house in 2013. Me leaving has nothing to do with the divorce, it has to do with the living conditions at my mothers house and the way she treated me and still treats me today. In regards to choosing sides, I actually chose my mothers side when my parents separated. This was due to the fact that my mother, the true parent alienator, would constantly talk negatively about my father in front of me and my siblings, putting us kids in the middle of my parents arguments. She even called us Simon or “mini Simon” when we did something bad or told us that we were “acting like your father”. This parent alienation caused me to resent my father and take her side. However as I got older I realized what she was doing along with other things that were toxic.
The reasons I left my mothers house are that she was neglectful (leaving us at home with no food or simply ignoring us entirely), she constantly put herself first and the biggest reason was that she was mentally and emotionally abusive. She was no mother to me. This was an unhealthy environment for all of us kids and unfortunately I was the only one to recognize this and take steps to get out of that toxic environment. I have explained this to her numerous times in court, in therapy, and when we would meet up that the ONLY reason I am not living with her is because she continues to do the things that pushed me out of her house, like talking about me on the show/press/social media, doing embarrassing things on the show, lying to me and putting herself first to name a few.
I went to therapy with my mother for 3 years. I was forced by the courts and my father to try to mend the relationship with my mother. Unfortunately my mother is unable to recognize that she is in the wrong and continues to put blame on everything else. If she would have put the effort into actually working on our relationship, instead of talking and crying about how much she “misses me” on the show and wishes things were different she wouldn’t have missed my entire high school career.
My father has pushed me to have a relationship with my mother forcing me to go meet her in and out of therapy. He even forced me to let her come to my graduation because it was a milestone. When I told my mother that she could come I gave her a few conditions. All I asked was that she remains cordial with my father and my stepmom and to not post anything about my graduation, anywhere. Not even two weeks after I graduated she posted a photo of me and shared it with her one million followers knowing that it would get picked up by the press. The one thing I asked and have been asking for 4 years now has been to not talk about me because I don’t want to be in the spotlight. But Again breaking her promises as per usual, she puts herself, her fame, her reputation, and her bank account before me. If she really wanted a relationship she would keep her promises and recognize that it is no one elses fault but hers that I do not want her in my life.
Although I do not want to be in the public eye, I felt the need to clear these lies up and set the record straight in hopes that it will straighten my mom out so that she is held accountable and is forced to do the right thing.Instead of playing the innocent erased mother character, she could’ve been trying to actually fix our relationship and change her ways. However the character keeps her relevant, and is her only storyline. Why would she actually try to get me back? Without the estrangements she is no longer pitied and talked about and her fame and fortune go down the tubes.
This is such a sad situation. The only comment I saw from Tamra which was in reply to a comment someone made about how clearly she expressed her feelings.
Tamra replied, “Brainwashed.”
She also commented that she payed for Sidney’s college.
It was probably included in divorce terms.
This is tough to read because I’m a huge Tamra fan. I don’t think Tamra would leave the kids alone with no food, that seems a bit much. As they say there’s two sides then the truth, so there’s probably some truth to this, some truth to what Tamra says, and then a middle ground. I hope Tamra and Sidney can repair their relationship because Tamra and Ryan are clearly very close and have a lovely relationship.
Ryan is completely dependent on his mother.
Ryan is close to his mom because she supports him.
Ryan is a fucking loser.
Lol. Tell us how you really feel about Ryan!!! I have to change my shirt now, I was taking a drink and it spewed out of my mouth, because I did not see that comment coming??oh my. Thank you it has been a crappy day today for some reason ….that made me totally laugh out loud literally
Haha! My pleasure 🙂
That definitely sums him up.
Tamra might not intentionally leave her kids without food or concern, but, back in that time period, Tamra was hooking up with Eddie, and thinking about her tv career. Tamra and Ryan’s relationship is dysfunctional and unhealthy. Tamra’s actions have spoken loud and clear about what her priorities are….
Yes, most importantly she continues to highlight the supposed “erasure” and publicly display her family’s troubles. In addition, what teen want their mother’s embarrassing antics displayed on national tv! I truly believe she’s chose the show over….
Parental alienation runs in Tamra’s family. Tamra and her brother Alienated their father because their mother talked badly about their father. Then Ryan alienates his father because Tamra has talked badly about him. Which Tamra gave up custody of Ryan when he was baby and his father raised him till Simon came in the picture. Ryan has stated that his father has never did a thing for him and didn’t raise him..I think he did that all on his own for 9 years while Tamra only had visitations. Then Tamra attempts alienation with her other 3 kids..she didn’t succeed with Sidney but Succeeds with Spencer since he has no contact with his dad and the other kid she’s still working on. She probable has a strange relationship with Spencer just like she does with Ryan.
Ryan is a hot mess. He is totally dependent on his Mother so yes they seem close as long as she provides. Tamra is not Mother material. Anyone, can see that and I believe every word Sydney wrote.
No wonder Eddie didn’t want to have any kids with her.
Just out of curiosity, why are you a fan of Tamra? Genuinely want to know.
I have a 16 year old daughter who constantly reminds me I have no food in the house and I do not in defense of ,or for Tamra I find her vile…Kids never think there is food in the house \they want constant quick thinks they want ,if it isn’t on hand they expect you to run and get it for them…
That is so true! I have three teens at home and two always complain about nothing to eat at home. It’s ridiculous my cupboards are full and overloaded and the fridge is completely full with items that they can make themselves something with. However, their definition of nothing means that they need to take time to prepare something which they’re not willing to do.
Yes, you are so right. That is exactly the same as a mother who is never home because she is out being filmed drunk and obnoxious every night, doesn’t eat herself, and has nothing but take boxes of her leftover dinners in the refrigerator.
This is situation is exactly like your house with your ungrateful children who expect parents to put food on the table at meal time.
Kids today! Why can’t six year olds learn to cook?
Situation at my house – no food, just ingredients to make food.
All I can say is wow!
I suspected this was the case and it makes me even more disgusted with Tamra. This whole season has been nothing but a huge yawn.
That is sad. I was hoping they had reconciled.
I was blessed growing up because I never heard my mom say a bad thing in front of me about my dad or step mother and I never heard them say a bad thing about my mom.
I believe Sydney.
I do not. She might not be an involved mother to the extent her daughter wants to be but no food I need the house? No. I’ve got several children that will swear there’s “no food” when the truth is there’s no food they like or want to make. Tamra does overcompensate with her children on TV and even when they are enemies even her cast mates claim she’s a good mother. I don’t get along with my mother but does that make her a bad mom? No.
What about everything else Sidney claims? Like her request to not be Tamra’s storyline and clickbait? Maybe there was food but it wasnt food a child could prep for themselves. Five steaks in the freezer isnt “food in the house” to a kid. Why are you only focusing on the “no food in the house ” comment and not the other well-stated and valid complaints an intelligent young woman has to say about her mother? Who has it in their best interest to lie?
Isn’t that the truth. I can’t even count the number of times my youngest has complained about no food in the house. Then I rattle off a list of 20 things she could eat. No food in the house is usually teenager code for not the food I want. I sure hope Tamra and her daughter can find peace. Having this all play out on social media is not fun.
LOL! I’m teaching my late elementary school aged kids how to cook and apparently spaghetti or a basic crock pot dish are so beneath them.
On the other hand I can see the kids getting upset if Mom leaves them with a fridge full of leftovers while she gallavants off to some high end Beverly hills restaurant with her boy toy and a camera crew, and only returns home about the same time the school bus shows up in the AM, wearing said boy toy’s old tshirt he borrowed from his previous GrindR meetup.
Eddie’s spine disappeared around the same time as Tam’s belly button.
that is my kids they want what they want if I do not have ice cream they want it there is no food i am a terrible mom cause i refuse to be running everytime they want a treat…
So ITA with you
Sure. I raised a teenager and they will say there is no food if it is not what they want. But Tamra was just not there. Look, this woman is a horrible person. Do you really believe she is any different with her children? And if the little girl is lying, isn’t that Tamra just getting back what her daughter saw her mother doing? Tamra lies like breathing and she is a bully.
Tamra is a lying sack of selfish shit on the show. Her PUBLIC persona is absolute shitbag of a human being, but you think shes magically a good person when the cameras are off?
Yeah ok, NOT.
She’s a piece of shit who thinks talking about Jeebus and fake crying masks the absolute lying turd of a individual she truly is. Her son is humam garbage who utterly relies on her cash for survival. Her daughter won’t whore herself out to better Mommy’s career so Tamra can’t be bothered.
As often as she lies, you’d think she’d be better at it. The bitch wears 3 lbs of make up and is forever dabbing “tears” that never seem to actually come out of her eyeballs.
When Gunvalson tells a better lie than you, you should just give the hell up and try the truth.
There are only a handful of Housewives that don’t belong in the Horror of a Human Being Hall of Fame, and this bitch ain’t in that group.
I believe Sidney. She doesn’t give a damn about that kid.
First of all, how could you possibly think anyone with an ounce of decency would care about what you have to say. You are a foul mouthed person who is being super critical of a woman and her son as if she/he knows her personally. As a Christian she isn’t perfect, just forgiven. None of us were there when it happened so none of us knows the truth. Speculating and making statements as if they are gospel makes you all gossips. Not part if the problem or part of the solution. .If you don’t like the day fast forward thru her scenes .
I think you wandered onto the wrong site by accident.
Me too
My disclaimer – never been divorced
I have always felt that Tam’s does ignore her child’s request. The universe knows of Sydney’s request. How hard is it for a parent to have their child as a priority?
During graduation, it was either the dad or sydney that posted first, so I think the “press” would have scooped the story anyways, cuz, of this families history.
No matter how old the child is – one parent should never dismiss the child’s posting’s – then blame the posting/thoughts as the other parents behavior. some say – these are road maps to the relationship that Tam’s has with Sydney.
As time is going by – Sydney is able to explain herself in a mature manner – without losing her point and that is awesome.
Sorry Sydney is going through this.
I completely agree with you – I was about to post the same thing until I saw what you wrote. And, I AM a divorced mother with one child who has alienated herself from her father. He is not a great person, and certainly was not a great father, but you only have one dad and one mom and I have tried so hard to have her get over her bitterness. But what she goes back to again and again is his need to have it all be about HIS pain. So, I feel bad for Sydney and wonder why Tamara keeps putting her stuff into the media? She doesn’t have to. We never see some of the housewives kids and yet they still have good relationships. It does feel like her storyline to me – and in the non celebrity world my ex husband belongs to, I know his angst over his daughter also revolves around a “why me, and please feel bad” mentality. As long as he does, this, she will never forgive. I have told him so many times, just apologize from the heart, ONE TIME, and then the universe will take it, but he cannot. And I feel this is the same type of situation. Ok, Samael, thanks for letting me dump my own personal stuff while agreeing with you. Just had a round of free therapy!
Hi Lisa
relating to the actual situations in real life – does happen. I do hope your child gets the relationship she wants from her dad – time has gone on and Tam’s still sticks to the same tune.
I would hope that Tams’s being of adult age, would respect her daughter’s needs – in order to have a healthy relationship. Sidney’s requests seem easy to live up to.
I hope you and your daughter have an awesome day.
I read Sydney’s post last night. She is right Tamra would have no story line without it. I also read some comments that Sydney’s post may have been coached. Either way leave her out of the public. Love her and leave her alone as she wishes. I know it would be hard for me as a parent but sometimes that is what you have to do.
Hi Trish
I am not a parent, but this is the hardest job.
my mystification of Tam’s – is – no one is asking her to talk about her daughter everyone is respecting her situation – so if friends can respect sidney, why can’t Tam’s?
I watched/read Simon verbally and emotionally abuse Tamra – if Tamra ever said ” I am in fear of Sidney’s safety due to his ability to abuse” – I would respect that.
Sorry but after seeing Tamara get Gretchen drunk then get her son to sexually assault her, and having seen her emotionally abuse cast mates, I’m hesitant to believe her ex husband was the monster he has been made out to be.
Holy smokes Karen
no way are either of the parents innocent in their divorce process…and while married I did watch/hear Simon verbally and emotionally abuse his wife.
but – for me – there is a huge difference between a life partner and a human that you helped create.
I guess what I’m saying is – I don’t believe the dad abuses Sidney. In fact he seems to have raised a confident young woman who knows how to get her point across without swearing or having a tantrum.
Lisa , I really enjoyed your post and thank you for sharing your story. My daughter is getting married and she told me that her dad is not invited. If you weren’t there for me you don’t get to come to my wedding.Sad but that is the way she feels.
I believe Sydney, the biggest reason why is… Tamra claims her and Simon are fine now. So, as soon as Sydney speaks out and makes her look bad she’s now “brainwashed” . I doubt she’s a hostage in Simons home ;considering she visits Ryan and his family. I think Tamra is a horrible woman, fake and trashy and I don’t doubt a word Sydney is saying. The “left with no food” seems far fetched, but who knows. I don’t doubt she bad mouthed Simon in front of the kids. Also, Tamras storyline has been her issues with Sydney.
I completely agree. I have always thought Tamara is fake and trashy. Bursts into fake tears at any given moment. I think the only reason she has a relationship with her son is because he’s totally dependent on her.
The fact that Tamra would compare the kids to Simon when she was angry with them is classic parental alienation. She isn’t saying that the kid is wrong for their behavior, she is saying the kid is wrong because they are like their father. That promotes two negatives to the kid: Dad is bad and I am bad because I am like dad.
I re-watch old RHOC often because they are so much better than now, and it always stood out to me what a horrible mother Tamra seemed to be. From telling her 2 year old to shut up, always yelling at her kids, and seemed to outwardly favor her son over her eldest in the first seasons when they are all so young. And I’m talking season 3 when editing wasn’t nearly on the conniving level they are now, so she was that terrible. It is so disturbing and awful for her daughter (and all her kids) to have to live with this shit. How can someone making that kind of money not have food for her kids to eat? Tamra is the worst and I can’t even watch any season much past 7 when Heather joins. It’s all downhill from season 5-6, but I do love season 9 when HD is exposed as a pretentious, condescending bitch. Thanks TT for always helping me avoid work and the shitty things in life when I come here!
I disagree with this. I actually think she’s a good mother from what I’ve seen on the show. I’m Ryan’s age and she actually reminds me of my mum, although unlike Ryan I’m not a hot mess and I have my shit together. But my mum is always trying to help me out even when I don’t need it lol. I can relate to Ryan and Tamra’s bond.
A good mother would respect the wishes of her child. Tamara can not do that. If my child asked me to keep their name out of the press in order for me to see them YOU BETTER BELIEVE I WOULD.
My friend’s son wishes to eat cake frosting every day for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
I told my friend that a good mother would respect the wishes of her child.
Today he had almond buttercream.
I’m in a REAL shitty mood for lots of reasons, so I’m about to sound like a big old twatwaffle (I’m OWNING it), but ericzkcu, your analogy is absurd. Absurd. A child of Sidney’s age asking to have boundaries with her mother in this way seems both reasonable and wise. She clearly asked to not being included in the reality world or trotted out as a goddamn prop because she wanted her relationship and feelings to be seen as more than storyline fodder. What asshole of a mother would refuse that or keep stepping on it when she knew her relationship with the daughter was already fractured? Sidney didn’t ask to eat fucking frosting for breakfast, she asked for some privacy from reality tv and some loving respect from her mom. When she asks for frosting as a meal and Tamra says no, then I’ll be in Tamra’s damn corner.
SLM:
OF COURSE the analogy is absurd. It was meant to be absurd. That was the point.
So is a blanket statement like, “A good mother would respect the wishes of her child.”
Depends on what those wishes are, no? A good mother does what’s best for the child. If that coincides with the child’s wishes, then hooray. If not? Sorry, kid. Better luck next time.
Sidney apparently does not want Tamra to invoke her name at all in any forum.
Problem is, Sidney and this situation are part of Tamra’s life and Tamra is allowed to talk about her life. She’s allowed to discuss her feelings about the situation.
I have no sense of what Sidney is like as a person. As it should be. Why? Because Tamra hasn’t been discussing her. She hasn’t been “exploiting” her daughter on TV (to use a term I’ve seen used here.)
This is a distinction that seems to be lost on many people, especially Sidney.
She actually IS exploiting her child on TV. I’m sorry you can’t seem to understand that, but Sidney certainly sees this, and she’s understandably pissed and hurt by it. How hard would it be for Tamra to simply say, “Sidney doesn’t want to be brought up or discussed and I value her, so I won’t,” and then do it. Sidney needs this, it’s reasonable and Tamra has the power to honor it, but she doesn’t. What does that tell you about Tamra?
I can’t respond to your comments above so I’m doing it here,
“Tamara is allowed to talk about her life. She’s allowed to discuss her feelings about the situation.” While this is true, that doesn’t mean it’s OKAY or RIGHT. She has been dining out on this story-involving her minor child since 2013; a story that the child has explained, to both her mother and the public that causes her great embarrassment and pain. Tamara has a platform to explain her side of the story while Sydney and Simon do not (they choose to live private lives like 99% of the world) and Tamara takes full of advantage of her position. She is absolutely exploiting her child for a storyline-to say that she isn’t exploiting Sydney because we don’t, “have a sense of her a person” is incredibly weak reasoning. I don’t need to know a person’s favorite ice cream or have an idea of her sense of humor to know that she’s being exploited. Tamara’s entire storyline this season is Sydney and this ridiculous parental alienation (in which she is the saintly victim) she is using Sydney for financial gain as she clearly has nothing going on in her life and this is her only storyline. Sydney is her paycheck. It’s incredibly unconscionable and cruel.
This is an interesting viewpoint, as I have always found Tamara and Ryan’s relationship to be pretty toxic. I always attributed that to his having unresolved abandonment issues from the times Tamra abandoned him as a kid and Tamra trying to overcompensate for abandoning him by trying to pay for his life.
I sometimes watch old seasons of RHOC, too, MB. I distinctly remember one episode after Simon was out of work and they were still married where Tamra came staggering downstairs as he was getting the kids off to school and everyone – Simon and the kids – seemed taken aback she was there (as if it were a singular occurence). As I recall, she had NO idea how the coffee machine worked, where her kids kept their backpacks or what they even ate for breakfast, Simon was doing it all (my suspicion at the time was that before their financial problems then they had housekeepers and nannies, but let them go and Simon had taken over those tasks). I’m not casting aspersions on this, it just led me to believe at the time that she wasn’t really involved in the day to day life of her three youngest at all. For the record, I thought Simon was a manipulative, sexist tool in many instances, but I never got the sense he was an uninvolved or bad father (being a crappy husband or partner doesn’t mean you are a crappy parent). I also think both he and Tamra made WAY too many shitty public statements/posts about each other as the divorce went forward and it was immature, counterproductive and injurious to their children. Can I believe Tamra would refuse/forget to grocery shop once she was on her own and only have take out leftovers for the kids around? Sadly, I can. I also have to find fault with the fact that Sidney has set a mature boundary for her mother (don’t talk about me on the show, online or on social media please) and Tamra refuses to respect that. It just sends a signal that she doesn’t value Sidney’s feelings. Also, I think this particular boundary is completely reasonable of Sidney to ask for, it’s not as if she sent off demands that her mother not date or remarry, or even said the cost of a relationship was giving up her career (as OC cast member). She just asked not to be brought up or trotted out online in any way, which sounds fair enough to me and it speaks volumes that Tamra won’t abide by that. I also think Tamra and Ryan have a deeply dysfunctional relationship and Ryan seems quite troubled (just my opinion, no one has to agree) at times.
With one word, Tamra dismisses all of her daughter’s feelings… brainwashed. Like Sydney can not think for herself and was told to say these things and to feel the way that she feels. How sad for Sydney.
Yes, that was telling wasn’t it?
Indeed!
That’s what sealed it for me. Sidney is an adult and can see for herself what’s going on. For Tamra to say “brainwashed” is ridiculous. Kids grow up and know who the nutjob parent of the family is no matter what the other parent plants in their head. Tamra’s a narcissist; it’s always someone else’s fault. Simon was controlling but he had a point at times.
Ktina, I was thinking Tamra is a narcissist then read your post.
She’s more motivated to be a HW than a mother to Sidney. She is truly amoral and her Come To Jesus storyline is just as fake as she is.
Her behaviour in Ireland last season was really telling. Kelly was an idiot but the way Tamra plotted with Shannon and Heather to bully her was disgusting.
I think most of the women on the show would rather be her friend than risk being at the receiving end of her vindictiveness.
Andy C loves her of course!! Quelle surprise.
If she doesn’t want a relationship with her mother, why doesn’t she block her on social media? That said, shame on Tamra for putting their rocky bond out there as a storyline and choosing fame and fortune over her own daughter. That much we DO know for sure.
Tamra may well justify all of it to herself by looking at the money and perks her stint on RHOC has provided. We’ve all heard that before from parents who choose work over family.
Tamra could go back to real estaste and not have to sell out for money. Or focus on Cut and other business ventures. She could get certified as a personal trainer. She doesnt have to be on tv. She wants to be.
Fame must be addictive given how desperate some are to hang onto those 15 minutes, and how they sacrifice marriages, friendships and their own dignity in pursuit of it. And you’re right, the fame means more than the $$ because she could indeed make a decent living with those ventures, albeit not as grand a one as she has now.
Mother/daughter relationships can be incredibly complicated-despite what Tamara is and what she is done, perhaps her daughter leaves the door open a small crack for her mother.-it’s hope. I’ve learned the hard way that mum’s like Tamara, narcissists, never really change. You just stop trying and accept who they are. One day a friend told me, “You don’t go to the hardware store to buy oranges”.
Yes, and by stating that Sydney is brainwashed, Tamra invalidates everything Sydney says and Sydney as a person.
I think Tamra invalidates Sydney, because what she’s actually upset about, is not being in control, and that her daughter is making her look bad. Thats more important to her than the actual relationship. Narcissistic moms view their kids as tools, and extensions of their ego, and not as individuals with their own wants, needs and opinions. That is something I try not to ever do with my now adult son. I say let it rip and hear the truth. That’s their truth and how they feel. Wheres theres smoke theres fire, and the child feels that way due to something. So listen and fix it.
How can you work on your relationship if you won’t allow and hear how your child feels about things and about you. But, Tamra doesn’t want to be criticized. So she says Sydney is brain washed. Plus the fact that she thanked her fans for going after her daughter, shows she’s a shitty skank of a mom. I would never cheer on people going after or talking crap about my child no matter what. What a thug. Geez she even wants minions to back her up on a problem with her own child. Eddie is an idiot. What does he see in his wife. I guess he just likes her ass.
As a mom, I’d rather work hard and live hand to mouth than subject my kids to reality television shows that reward grotesquely narcissistic, entitled and bad behavior. I am not merely pointing the finger at Tamra but many “real” housewives and husbands who behave appallingly knowing their children will be humiliated, judged and ridiculed for it.
And yet all she really has to do is keep her mouth shut when it comes to her daughter. Boy if this were the terms for a relationship with my child my lips would be sealed. Give the girl some form of empowerment please! Tamara chooses herself.
Not that I have any evidence to support it, but I think her daughter gave her an ultimatum to leave the show or she was leaving, and Tamra of course picked the show. Could you ever imagine her leaving in that situation? HELL NO.
My father was a complete asshole, and would TOTALLY have been one of those “victim of alienation” people if such nonsense existed when I grew up. Sorry, but regardless of what my father or anyone in the world would say about my mother, I wouldn’t refuse to talk to her because she was kind, supportive, and ALWAYS there for me.
I’m sure there really is some extraneous situation that would cause parental alienation like the manipulation of mental illness or abuse, but to me, every person in that room is a bad parent and has no one to blame but themselves.
Wow. Sydney is well spoken and seems really self aware. I believe every word. The blatant , petty dismissal of her daughter’s feelings and requests for privacy from the media and show tells me enough about Tamra’s priorities as a parent.
I feel awful for Sydney. I’m the child of a narcissistic mother. There’s nothing like it. They care only about themselves, and you’re only useful to them if you’re an appropriate prop in their “show.” Tamra is not capable of respecting her daughter’s wishes for privacy. To Tamra, Sydney’s not much more than a complaining stick of furniture. She’s not a being with feelings–only Tamra is a being with feelings. Tamra’s one-word shut-down of Sydney’s thoughts and feelings was exactly what I’d expect from Tamra.
Sydney needs to keep living her own life, and surround herself with people who are capable of loving her. She can save herself. Tamra will never save herself. Narcissists are not capable of that.
Regarding the point Sidney made about leaving the kids with no food in the house, this accusation has been made for years and with much greater detail.
It was alleged by the kids that during filming Tamra only ate at filming and would bring home doggie bags from the restaurant shooting. She would NEVER go to the grocery store. Then once she married Eddie, groceries once again returned to the house. All very healthy stuff,
Ok, thank you for clarifying that. That’s very sad .
I was thinking about that too. I remember Tamra saying that Simon was the one who got the kids up made sure they had breakfast and were off to school with lunch. This was all before Tamra got out of bed. So it would make sense that once Simon was gone, Tamra wouldn’t have a routine for stocking groceries and making sure the kids ate at regular meal times. Plus, Tamra has always appeared to be very conscious of every bit of food she ate, so it most likely wouldn’t occur to her that the kids might be hungry if she herself wasn’t. And if the responsibility to get the kids ready for school fell to Sydney, she would definitely notice how much or how little food was in the house.
Well that explains alot of why the daughter prefers living with her dad. Doing those things for your child when they are growing up is huge, and makes you the nuturing hands on parent. I have allways maintained that Tamra has this issue for a reason. If you have had a good connection with your child, they have allways been able to count on you, you won’t lose them. You can’t lose them because they need you too in a profound way. If you don’t have it to begin with, then a divorce can destroy what fragile bond there is, due to all the emotional trauma and fighting. The son Ryan ia codependent and financialy dependent on Tamra. Plus every child will respond differently to narcissism or parental neglect and abuse. Some kids block it and glorify the parent. Some kids the parent was nicer to them too. Anything is possible. Tamra was kinda shitty to her mom as well, crying about her not going to that event. She doesnt owe her that, had to work, and it would be hard to hang out with her ex and the friend he dumped her for. I wouldn’t ask my mom to put up with that. Was a dumb event anyways. Maybe some parents are victims of a screwed up legal system, but it’s a parents responsabity to be bonded with their child and be their rock. If they were a selfish asshole, that’s on them, and they are NOT a victim. They are just getting their karma back.
I seem to remember several episodes after Tamar and Eddie started living together in that condo that were close to porn —the bath tub scene and a few others.
I dont think Tamara wanted Sidney or any of her children around to interfere with her new story with sex toy Eddie.
Frankly she’s total trash—I would have been embarrassed and humiliated to have seen my mother behave like Tamara does and in front of the entire world.
Sidney is better off away from her influence. Maybe she will be saved from being a sniveling mess like Ryan, a grown man who cant stand on his own —he;s totally creepy and repulsive…ugh!
Yes, that’s the part that would make me cringe if she was my mum. I remember her telling the whole world that they practised anal. How embarrassing for her children!
I’m pretty sure Simon wouldn’t allow the children to film for the show after the divorce. It may have even been before the divorce.
I find it strange that I don’t recall Tamra ever interacting with her younger children. She sure didn’t leave much of an impression with me… good or bad. But I have vivid memories of her goading Ryan to try to rape one of her “naked wasted” friends. Yep, that’s not a good mother or person.
Saw the Facebook post and it is sad that Sidney even had to make this post, but it was necessary to clear the air. Now a bunch of random people are commenting and putting in their 2 cents and fighting with each other. TAMRA is even responding to comments on there and getting into fights with people.
All so counterproductive. If Tamra actually wants her daughter back she should shut the eff up. If she wants to “help other families”, maybe do it on the damn down low and not on a reality tv show for a pat on the back. If you’re gonna do this publicly, don’t cry when your daughter wants nothing to do with you. Just saying.
Okay, this girl is making me defend Tamra, which pisses me off, because I am no fan of Tamra.
I take all of this with a grain of salt. A few things jumped out at me:
*At no time does Sidney allow for the possibility that she herself may have made a mistake or two. Everything is 100% Tamra’s fault. That is not how life or relationships work.
*Tamra hasn’t been talking about Sidney, as Sidney claims. Tamra has been talking about events in her own life, which she is allowed to do. At no time has she been revealing Sidney’s personal information or secrets. No info about her wants, likes, hopes…things that would constitute “knowing” Sidney.
*Sidney mentions Tamra “doing embarrassing things on the show.” I found this quite revealing; it’s as though Sidney is using threats of not seeing her to control her mother. Sorry Sidney, you don’t get to dictate how adults behave. (And what teen hasn’t been embarrassed by their parents? It goes with the territory.)
It’s all really too bad for Sidney though. She really got the shit end of the stick when it came to parents: an immature, narcissistic mother and a rigid, misogynistic father. It was going to be difficult for her regardless.
While I see your points, I think Sydney’s point is to not talk about their situation at all on a show with a few million viewers. She wants it to stay private, and while Tamra has every right to do whatever she wants, she has to accept that it will alienate her daughter even more. Tamra made her choice.
” *At no time does Sidney allow for the possibility that she herself may have made a mistake or two. Everything is 100% Tamra’s fault. That is not how life or relationships work.”’
FYI–Sidney was a teenager–not an adult when Tamara left Simon.—it hard enough being a teenager not to mention having a mother in a ‘reality’ show. The mother is suppose to be the adult—and that Is how life is Suppose to work.
Bottom line–Tamara chose the show and her male twin Eddie over her children.
So she doesn’t get to play the teary eyed grieving mother.
Zero sympathy for her.
Not to mention, could you imagine being the child and having a painful part of your life on tv and having random people come up to you and tell you that you should talk to your mother? She probably got fed up hearing it without having her own side out there.
Can you imagine people at school coming up to you and talking about you’re mother in a bathtub with her boyfriend on national TV?
I disagree that Tamra chose the show over her children. It isn’t an either/or proposition. It’s possible to do both.
It’s a job. A highly paid, part-time job at that. Are you arguing that women who are mothers choose their jobs over their children if they work outside the home? It seems like that’s your logic here.
”Are you arguing that women who are mothers choose their jobs over their children if they work outside the home? It seems like that’s your logic here…..”
Nice try at twisting,…,but no pretzel here.
Logic dictates that there’s a vast difference between a mother having a job outside the home—-and the kind of job Tamara has –and the way she does it.
I wasn’t trying to twist, I was asking a question about your reasoning. One that you didn’t answer, BTW.
There are literally 99 other Housewives, most of whom are mothers. Did they all choose the show over their children too? Or is it unique to Tamra? If so, how?
If you want to argue that some circumstance special to Tamra constitutes abandoning her children, then fine. What is it?
But I’m not buying that “she chose the show over her children” merely by being on the show.
Your question was:
” Are you arguing that women who are mothers choose their jobs over their children if they work outside the home? It seems like that’s your logic here.’
My answer was:
” Logic dictates that there’s a vast difference between a mother having a job outside the home—-and the kind of job Tamara has –and the way she does it.”
As for this question;
” There are literally 99 other Housewives, most of whom are mothers. Did they all choose the show over their children too? Or is it unique to Tamra? If so, how?”
The difference is Tamara herself and her behavior on the show during and after her divorce. Others also behave in embarrassing ways on the show but we are talking specifically about Tamara. The others are a different conversation.
Just off the top of my head, others that chose the show over their kids…Danielle Staub, Lynn Curtain… I may add more later.
Hi agree completely! I don’t believe Sydney wrote this, too articulate for a teenager, AND, your right, Tamara talks about her feelings about Sydney, not anything about Sydney. To share a graduation picture ? Really? I shared a million of my kids when they graduated. I think Sydney is a disrespectful, spoiled brat
You think this is too articulate for a college graduate? The entire first half of the post is the exact same one she posted at 15. At that same time she also interacted with her mother on Twitter begging her to get off social media. Tamra was the one acting like a child even then. Sidney kept saying that this conversation was something to be addressed in their therapy sessions. Tamra kept spewing crap on Twitter.
That’s sad that people wouldn’t expect a high school graduate to be able to write an intelligent post. How old should one be to be able to write? Forty?
you’re ….so much for making your point about Sydney not being able to articulate since she is a teenager
Bitch. Lol!
I’m going to assume that close to 100% of your friends on Facebook and followers on instagram, are family friends and family. Tamara has over a million followers-probably less then 100 are family and close friends. There’s a huge difference.
Sidney is the CHILD. Tamra is the PARENT. I couldnt make it past that idiotic first “point”.
EXACTLY. Why some people are trying to hold the kid caught up in a divorce accountable is beyond me.
I’m sorry that your reading comprehension is so poor. My “idiotic first point” was that any assessment of a relationship where one person is 100% right and the other is 100% wrong isn’t credible. Real life has nuance and shades of grey.
Im sorry that your view of child/parent relationships is so dysfunctional and damaged that you think a child should be held to the same standard of responsibility as the parent.
Am I wrong? Is life a binary exercise?
This is a High School graduate we’re talking about, not a 7 year-old. Is it unreasonable to look for a smidgen of objectivity from a High School graduate?
How am I holding her to “the same standard of responsibility as the parent”? In what way?
And PLEASE tell me how this relates to my “view of parent child relationships” and how it’s “dysfunctional and damaged”. I’m DYING to hear this!
“Am I wrong?”
Almost always.
Where did that Brazilian chick go that like saying stupid shit for no reason? You are the new her.
Congrats.
So you’re saying that life IS a binary exercise?
Just trying to get it right…
I agree. Also the son Spencer lives full time now with Tamra and wants nothing to do with Simon. They all need to go to family therapy together.
My niece goes to school with Spencer and he does see his dad, he didn’t for awhile after the divorce but Tamra is lying when she says he doesn’t see his father. It just plays well into her story. The California courts are actually getting pretty good with custody and parent alienation and divorce drama
Tamra’s talking heads are filled with daughter comments. I thought Tamra was going overboard with the silent pain bit because all she has been doing is talking about it. The daughter left her mother’s house in 2013 and that makes her too young to know how to cook. So if there was roasts,turkeys and steaks in the house that a young girl could not cook there would be no food in the house that was edible…been there done that. If my older sister had not figured out how to cook mac and cheese we would have starved to death. Tamra talking about throat punching is such a Christian idea to be tossing out in the universe. Shame on her for being so crass and violent in her words.
14 isn’t too young to cook. Now while I definitely don’t agree with parent leaving teens to fend for themselves for every meal, I also think it’s totally reasonable to think your 14 year old could cook themselves food. Hell, I was taught to cook for others by that age, this is not a 9 year old.
But that is not the larger point, I tend to believe Sydney because her points sound thoughtful and eloquent and I do think Tamra is capable of being a selfish, self centered, bitch.
The no food thing actually is a lot more plausible than it might seem. I think Tamra is very conscious about her weight and body and could not have food in her house simply so she does not eat. I definitely did this when I was hyper aware of my weight, the difference being I did not have anyone else living with me and depending on me. Sad.
Prime example of her parenting is plotting to get Gretchen “naked wasted” and enlisting her SON in the ploy to take advantage of her. No wonder he seems to have issues.
I never hear Tam talk about her other young children, so why must she speak about this one that wants to be a private person? Tamara is the worst!
Tamra talks about Sydney because Sydney is the one who dares to tell the truth and not accept Tamra’s version of the truth.
As my boyfriend (Dr Phil) would say – it doesn’t matter how flat you make a pancake, it still has two sides. Not surprised re: the doggy bags thrown on the Bravo tab – isn’t that how Dylan and Ayden Nida and Gregg Leakes survive?
Tamra is a selfish trouble maker, but I doubt she’s quite as bad as her daughter makes her out to be. I remember Simon saying Tamra sent the other daughter home with matted sour hair after a day! Lol. My hair forever tries to dread, but a day would be a new record. I don’t blame Sidney for being sick of Tamra, but putting all of your issues on Twitter and Facebook for the world to see isn’t much better…I guess that’s the new norm, though.
If Tamra really does feel that she is being erased from her daughter’s life and she really needs to speak out about – go for it! Just don’t include the cameras or talk about it on social media. If someone picks it up, let them, refuse to answer their questions out of respect for your daughter. Just doing that would go a long way.
She should, but then she’d have nothing to talk about all season.
Tamra is a trashbox. I have not liked her from day one. Her whole time on OC has been to trash and destroy any cast memeber she can including her own ex husband.
She has convinced everyone that Simon is some controlling monster when he was probably just a normal husband who didn’t want to see his wife act like a drunken whiore on television. I think she lost interest in him when he lost his Mercedes job.
She went after Gretchen then Slade with guns blazing.
She went after Alexis and her husband and was probably the source of the rumors of their financial issues.
She went after Jeana.
She went after Brooks
She tried to take a swipe at Shannon but after Shannon became a favorite after her first season guess who is Shannon’s bestie now?
Now she is constantly trashing Vicki because she thinks this will make her a fan favorite.
She also uses her daughter for sympathy and religion because she thinks it makes her look cute.
She has never had the money to keep up with some of these women. She has nothing going but a failing gym and her constantly changing breasts. She is a fraud and a liar something she is constantly accusing others of.
I cannot agree with this comment enough! Nail, head.
Nailed it!
Well said!! I also can totally see her dieting so much that she didn’t want to smell food cooking in the house. Would make her too hungry. I also remember her shrieking to Simon fuck you I want a divorce! Classey! She was pretty out of control acting during thaf time of the divorce and her younger kids were too young for that, but she didn’t care. It was party on.
Tamra seems to expect a medal for paying for her daughters education. How sad
I see her point on this one. Tamra is able to pay for Sidney’s college because of the money she makes from the show. Sidney alleges to hate the show, yet she’s willing to reap the financial reward. Not a chance in heck Tamra could pay for college without the show.
I’m not saying Tamra is a great mom, but you also can’t have it both ways. Don’t take the money and then go online and slam your mother.
Parents (and students) manage to pay for education all the time without exploiting their children (agaimst their will) and their sex lives on tv for the money to do so.
Oh, I completely get that. I’m not saying that’s the only option Tamra had, but it’s how she’s made her money and it’s how she’s paying for college. Tamra doesn’t have many marketable skills. I think my point was that if you despise your parent that much, then cut them out of your life completely. Don’t take the money and cut out everything else.
I would imagine that was a court order, not the kindness of Tamra.
I see your point but Many parents pay for their children’s college careers without being on a reality show discussing anal sex with their new partner. Tamra throwing it out there that she’s paying for her daughters education proves how petty she really is. So because her daughter is choosing to get a college degree she has the right to discuss their private matters on TV or on social media? Tamra is coming across as so childish on this one. And this is coming from someone that doesn’t even dislike Tamra.
How do we know Tamra is paying? Just because she says she is does not mean she is. She is probably paying half pursuant to the custody/support agreement.
Trying to clarify my above comment: she is insinuating she is paying it all when she is probably paying her share like most parents.
Tamras been posting on inatagram and Facebook comments that she’s paying. She’s deleted a few comments on the Facebook post but the one of her saying she’s paying for Sidney’s college and Simon isn’t is still up on Facebook
She also said that she PAID for her college. She just graduated HS. I hardly think Tamra has set aside money for Sidney’s college. And even if she has, that doesn’t make up for all the embarrassment and neglect. It’s just another thing Tamra wants praise for.
Not to mention it could have been… almost definitely have been…court appointed.
How is college tuition court appointed? College students are >18 years old. Meaning legal adults. Child support no longer applies.
Even in California, there is no mandate for parents to pay children’s college tuition.
There may have been an agreement between Simon and Tamra in their property settlement in re future college expenses, IDK.
This idea that Tamra is only paying tuition because she’s forced to by the court as if it’s child support is ridiculous. Grasping at another straw to spit more hatred with.
imo grasp for my fuck-AWL-the-way-off stick, and shake it at your avi until i exhaust myself. i know that my endeavor will be fruitless, but it will accomplish more than your hither and yon-ing, in defense of TAMRA.
five G’s girl. FIVE G’s.
I’ll have some Thousand Island with that word salad. Thanks.
Oh, and I’m not even defending Tamra. I’ve been around here a long time, and I’ve always been clear that I’m anything but a fan of hers.
It’s one thing to criticize somebody. It’s something else to just pile-on, spew hatred, pick apart every last aspect of a person’s life, then twist & misinterpret them into more evidence of why that person is shit. It starts to get almost comedic after a while how every last thing she does, wears, eats, says, reads, talks about is MORE PROOF! It’s like hate for hate’s sake and has little to do with the original topic anymore.
If that is what you like, well that’s on you. I’ll avoid the pile-on, thanks.
In New Jersey child support continues if the child goes to college.
In this case it was probably agreed to in the divorce negotiations.
Yes, I imagine it was agreed to in the divorce negotiations/settlement.
That’s quite different from a judge “forcing” her to pay by court order though.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Sydney refuses Tamra’s payment for college if that is the case. She seems like she wants nothing to do with Tamra. Period. I’m sure Tamra has tried to buy Sydney off over the years, probably has never worked.
Tamra is a shit person and a shit mother. That’s been apparent since her first season. I wish Sidney well.
I’m not a big Tamra fan, but this diatribe was harsh, ugly and immature. I don’t catch every show, but usually, Tamra is asked about Sidney, isn’t she? And Tamra is in a lose-lose situation here, no matter what she does, her daughter is going to find fault with her. Every little thing Tamra does is going to be judged harshly by Sidney.
Funny thing, Sidney doesn’t want to be talked about….but every so often she gives the pot a big old stir.
All Sidney is asking is for her to not talk about her on the show and not tweet/fb about her. Plenty of HWs have topics that are “off-topic ” and not to be discussed. Why not this at the child’s request? Because Tamra refuses. Bravo lets others slide if they want them on the show bad enough.
If Tamra is putting information out there about her relationship with Sydney and Sydney rebuts that information, I don’t see how it makes her harsh and immature. I’ve seen the texts between Tamra and Sydney that were released during court proceedings, and Tamra’s own words line up with what Sydney is saying here. Especially the part where she compares Sydney to Simon as a negative and all the times Tamra made things about her own feelings rather than even considering that Sydney had feelings of her own. If those texts are any indication of how Tamra interacted with her daughter (and this was while they were in therapy – Sydney was ltterally begging her mom to talk these things through with the counselor rather than arguing back and forth through text, and she was only 15 or 16 at the time) Tamra was way more immature than Sydney at that point. The texts also showed Tamra’s lack of compassion for how difficult everything was for Sydney.
Yes, twice in three years Sidney has politely told her mother to please STFU about her on the show, quit staging scenes where she gives speeches about HOW IT FEELS TO HER to be “erased” while all the time ignoring the basic requests her child asks of her regarding leaving her name and life off her ridiculous, media whoring on an embarrassing TV show.
TWICE. In three years.
After Sidney reluctantly invites her to graduation, She blasts it on social media and uses it in her storyline for the following season.
I feel like if Heather can keep Terry’s “alleged” affair from even being mentioned on RHOC and Adrienne Maloof could keep her surrogacy off RHOBH (for awhile at least) Tamra could avoid discussing her daughter. I never hear her say a word about the other two with Simon.
She’s a teen. She shouldn’t be expected to be mature. Her mother on the other hand should.
The one person you’re all ignoring here is Simon. And Simon was in my mind, is a controlling, manipulative abuser. And I’ve had the experience of living with and divorcing a person like this. It was a $100,000 divorce. His accusations included sending the children to school hungry – yes, once after they refused to get out of bed in time to eat breakfast before catching their bus. It’s called a lesson! I could go on and on with the absurdities of the accusations, but they do have an impact on young minds.(And Sydney has repeated hers over and over – poor little starving girl)) Last weekend my 28 year-old just told other family members that I didn’t raise her. Huh? Suffice it to say, I was a stay at home mom, soccer coach, church mom, homeroom mom, driver to dance lessons, driver to tutoring 5 nights a week, etc., cook, cleaner, reader, etc.. Kids can be brainwashed and alienated – particularly if one of the parents is richer than than the other and provides them with cars, phones, etc. I can’t stand Tamra, but Sydney seems to be a vindictive and confused young lady- who should keep her mouth shut and her head low instead of publicly bashing her mother. She makes Tamra’s case for her.
You are basing your opinion off your own experience and that has colored how you feel. Most of this stuff is well documented in court records. She has been awful since her first season.
If the daughter should ‘keep her mouth shut and her head low’, then what about Tamra? The woman who just loves to talk endlessly about HER pain, always playing the victim?
Tamra probably goes off the deep end about Sidney because her daughter has the measure of her and insists on clear boundaries in their relationship – boundaries which Tamra repeatedly oversteps.
I’ve never been a Tamra fan. It is worth noting how well both of Vickie’s kids are doing.
I was going to blame Tamra’s mess on reality TV but let’s not forget this is the woman who manipulated Gretchen into getting “naked wasted” ( gosh this sure sounds familiar! ) then creepily pushed her son to make sexual overtures to a very intoxicated Gretchen.
That was really really low, when Tamra did that. Like sociopath low. Not only did she try to exploit and intoxicate another person, she sought to involve her own son in on taking sexual advantage of someone. Poor Ryan too, that he has a mother like this.
Tamra-Sue is trash.
Three things:
1) I believe Sidney and it all adds up as Tamra chose fame over family.
2) Sadly, this explains why Andy picks Tamra as her favorite…because she chose fame over family.
3) Tamra’s dismissive “brainwashed” comment simply adds support to her adult child’s argument.
Sidney quite frankly pinned it all together in a well written mature explanation. If only her mother could take note of this form of communication.
I pray Sidney has a mother figure in her life that will guide her properly because college years and your 20s are no joke and it will break the best of us if we don’t have a solid soundboard/structure
Gretchen’s response:
You have no idea how your brave words are helping so many who have been wronged by your Mother’s manipulation and lies as well….so thank you for being brave enough to speak the truth. ❤️ I am so sorry your mother and your family is going through any of this, especially publicly, but continue to stay strong. Your morals and strength are commendable and inspiring.
This is very Jackie Christie/Takeri stuff!!
If my child asked me to stop talking about her in public and on social media, I WOULD STOP DOING IT. Period.
I am NOT a TV personality, but 3 years ago my oldest child asked me to refrain from posting or commenting about his life on social media. He was going through a bad divorce. I agreed. In the years since however he has repeatedly blasted me on social media about our bad relationship and then got mad at me because I won’t respond via social media. When he freaks on me because I refuse to engage him on social media I send him the screen shot of his text to me requesting no commenting or posting about him on social media. Really and truly pisses him off. I think Tamara should absolutely say and do nothing regarding her and Sydney’s relationship and situation in the media or on the show. When things still come out then Sydney can’t blame her. Simple as that. Honor your child’s wishes, be a parent first. If things still surface, you’re not the one who put it out there.
I love your parenting style. So few parents have this kind of strength.
Family discourse should not be resolved via social media. Private life should remain private.
Some people should not breed. Tamra and Simon are 2 such people. Very sad. I totally belie e Sydney. I don’t doubt that Tamra went gallivanting about with Eddie leaving her kids to fend for themselves. Maybe THIS is why Tamra’s mom didn’t show for the Erased Parent speech Tamra gave. Maybe she knows Tamra was a shitty mom and is just looking for sympathy and a storyline.
Tamra now posting profanities about Gretchen on instagram
She deleted it, what did it say??
It’s all in the update at the top of this post!
I dislike when family posts stuff about me. We can’t really control it, and to have someone like Tamra acting crazy and posting about you must be awful for a daughter.
I also want to mention the creative spelling of names. I notice most people write it as Sydney, and her mom is often called Tamara. Because that is what people expect. If you want to make up a name, fine, but using a common name and changing the spelling? Why?
Ah good point belladonna about Tamra’s mom. Maybe she still has a relationship with Sidney that she doesn’t want to jeopordize by validating Tamra’s bullshit storyline. So she wisely chose to stay away.
Not to be THAT guy but there seems to be some confusion here. Her name is spelled Sidney not Sydney.
I believe most of what Sydney says. Not sure about the no food in the house, seems a bit extreme, but I believe Tamra was the original parental alienator, not Simon. I think that’s why their son Spencer has nothing to do with Simon. He was younger than Sydney and probably believed everything his mom said.
Tamra had nothing but nice things to say about Simon recently, so it will be interesting to see what she says now. If she’s back to blaming him again. I read that her response to Sydney’s post was “brainwashed” so I’m sure Simon is the culprit of the brainwashing to Tamra. Sydney’s of age now so it’s really just between her and her mom from here forward. It’s interesting you never hear about Simon commenting on Tamra “brainwashing” their son that doesn’t have a relationship with him.
Oh, YIKES. I didn’t see the updates to the post until just now. First off, I wish Gretchen hadn’t weighed in on this publicly, I just think it’s unseemly, and a bit shitty to lump herself in with Sidney’s circumstances. Gretchen’s past with Tamra doesn’t hold the same gravity as this sad family situation. She could have easily sent Sidney a private message of encouragement. Second, who the hell is Tamra to castigate someone for cozying up to a daughter against a mom when she seemed pretty damn thirsty herself to do that with Brianna (multiple times) against Vicki. Pot, meet kettle and call it black. Also, TT, you are spot on that Tamra’s most recent comment to her daughter was ALL ABOUT HER and ALSO unseemly to play that out on public social media. The “I’m sorry you hate me so much” is classic narcissist verbal baiting. Tamra seems REALLY concerned with continuing her role as victim and making sure everyone sees it. Wouldn’t you think if she really understood her daughter’s pain in this she would do whatever she could to reach out to her directly, like call Simon even if Sidney has her blocked and beg for a sit down, all three of them?
I wish these families didn’t make their disputes public. So much pain on both sides no matter which side has more truth.
When your parent socially/publicly embarrasses you, go to your safe space and pray our them. There’s nothing else that can be done. Start your own family with the values you are about, move on in a civil, cordial relationship as best you can.
It’s a little different when your children grow up to be the embarrassment. Parents should continue to be role model, self sacrifice and a place of refuge.
Ok I’m so mad to agree with Gretchen but I do. I don’t like either Tamra or Gretchen but as a mom I cannot fathom Tamra’s “storyline” this year. It’s so transparent that she’s using it to stay on the show. I’m not her child obviously but even I cringed when she began with the erased parent crap-her daughter expressly wished her not to discuss her at all on the show or on social media and here she is making the rift her sole storyline. It invalidates all of her daughters feelkngs to be labeled as “brainwashed” and for making her father out to be a monster who separated a mother from her daughter. It also invalidates the people this actually happens to as parental alienation is sadly real. Oh and her posting on IG about her “amazing family vacation” prior to Sidney’s FB post made me cringe as well because when you’re not speaking to your oldest daughter but celebrating your “family” without her, it must have been a dagger for Sidney to see that. As a mom I would get my ass off the show, off social media and do what I needed to do to repair the relationship. It’s a shame what a paycheck and a modicum of fame can do.
Gretchen needs to keep her opinions on this matter to herself.