I have been in a really good mood since Big Brother started so I am super excited to recap both Southern Charm and RHOOC tonight! I am off to sort of a late start, but I’m churning out my typo ridden recaps ASAP tonight! So thanks for reading. I just going to hit on the major moments because recapping every little thing on a reunion takes a couple of hours.
I am so sick with everyone ganging up on Craig. Shut your damn piehole, Shep. Andy pulls up a scathing tweet that Thomas made about Craig. Thomas is mad at Shep for taking Kathryn’s side in the custody battle. That is why Thomas is being a dick to Craig. Shep is still being an ass to Craig even though Craig stayed behind on the way home from Key West to babysit Shep when he was deemed too drunk to fly.
Naomie comes out to talk about how hard Craig pursued her over the years. I am just so very sick of this Craig stuff. We are 19 minutes in and so far it is the bash Craig show. Craig and Naomie say they reached a low point five weeks ago where they realized they had fallen out of love. Things are good now as they have begun dating and things are much better between them.
Kathryn says that she wishes she had kept more of her relationship with Thomas to herself. She blames Landon and Whitney and others for talking negatively about her to Thomas all the time as the reason their relationship didn’t work out. I agree with her there. The old bat sure did her part in destroy Thomas’ relationship with Kathryn.
For some reason we are talking about how Austen is the nicer, newer version of Shep. Austen lost his beer slinging job. Do we really need to go over the horrifying death of his sister as a child. We move swiftly away from that to talk about Chelsea. I am bored.
We have an entire segment about Shep’s drinking problem. This reunion episode sucks. I am completely caught up and having to watch commercials. This is like watching paint dry. Then the last five minutes will need twenty minutes of recapping.
Finally we get to Kathryn. Andy says she is like a new person. Andy is an idiot. Kathryn says she has been sober for “like eight months” the rest of the cast smirks in disbelief. People I know in recovery never say they have been sober “like a few months.” In the first year they say things like “I’ve been sober for 213 days.” Kathryn just called this site “fake news” I wish she would have mentioned us by name. Apparently any site that reports based on court documents is not to be believed over her proud proclamation of “the truth.” When asked what the most important thing she learned in rehab was she replied that she learned not to be so critical of herself and that she realized that the world is a very cruel place. There is zero accountability on her part for anything.
Andy asked why she made such a big scene at last year’s reunion about failing her drug test when it was already in the press. She says because someone (Thomas) leaked the information. She thinks Thomas told Landon. Landon says she read it online. Kathryn and Landon each accuse the other of lying.
Andy asks why Kathryn ordered a margarita in Key West. She says at the time she was drinking, but she is happy to say she didn’t have a sip. This is Cameran’s face. Everyone looks perplexed by this statement
Landon is shaking her head and Kathryn tells her to stop. Landon says she can do whatever she wants. Kathryn says she’s just asking out of respect. When Shep and Landon point out that Kathryn was up all night drinking in Key West, Kathryn says that her sobriety is for marijuana. Oh Lord. Really Kathryn?
Andy, the self-proclaimed pot head is mystified by this statement. “So your pot use was negatively affecting your life?” he asks. She says it was her drug of choice that she used to escape her reality. No one is buying this at all. Thomas steps in to say he actually scored higher on the blood alcohol test than Kathryn did. Perhaps at the bar in Key West is what he is talking about. A lot of bars down here have breathalyzer machines where you can see if you are too drunk to drive. Unfortunately this leads to a lot of drinking contests among frat boys to see who can blow the highest number so you don’t see many of those anymore.
Next we saw the scene where Kensie cried after the modeling shoot and wanted to leave with her. Kathryn cries and Craig offers her a handkerchief. She does say here that it is difficult for her to know that her children are suffering because of some poor choices she made.
Kathryn says she doesn’t have a good support system. It is hard to trust people. She really doesn’t trust anyone. Landon, who has been arguing with Kathryn in an attempt for screen time realizes that perhaps tears will work better so she cries. When Andy asks her why the hell she is crying she says it’s just so sad, she can’t imagine not being about to trust anyone and rarely seeing her children. Kathryn brings up Jennifer turning on her and giving a deposition about her behavior that was “distorted and wrong.”
That’s the cue to bring out Jennifer. She gives an update on Ascher who is doing great and meeting all his milestones after his surgery as soon as he was born to put his brain back in his skull. Yikes.
Last year at the reunion, Thomas gave Jennifer a handkerchief when she was crying about the situation with Ascher. That pissed Kathryn off to no end. Andy asks why she was so angry. Kathryn’s medication is kicking in now. Kathryn says that Jennifer’s loyalty shifted. She accuses Jennifer of lying under oath. Andy wants to know the nature of Jennifer’s testimony. Kathryn quickly says she is not allowed to talk about that. Jennifer shoots back that she is not under the gag order. FINALLY, things are about to get real. Jennifer tells Andy that she doesn’t want to disclose the personal details about things she knew about but she testified honestly. Kathryn said that Jennifer had said many times that Thomas was not a good guy, but then under oath she said he was a good father. Jennifer said that while she was pregnant with a child that was in a dire situation, Kathryn spread rumors questioning the paternity of her unborn child. Kathryn admits it did it but does not apologize. She admits that she claimed Thomas might be the father of Jennifer’s child. Kathryn said she didn’t know whether Thomas was the father or not. Kathryn said she is not the kind of person who would do that. Then again she says she did spread the and she apologizes. Then she says that she knew that Jennifer had a party one time and Thomas spent the night. Thomas said he wanted to let Kathryn know what it feels like when she would stay out all night. Jennifer doesn’t remember Thomas staying over.
Thomas says that if they get a court order, the facts will come out on Kathryn and she will never work again.
Next week: MOTS.
Sick of all Kathryn’s lies . Tamara what the deal with her support system.?
She is not working a program, so she has no support system there. And everyone else doesn’t believe she is sober. It appears she is abusing her “anxiety pills”
Dang it!! Hate to hear that. AA/NA folks would love her, she would fit right in. Most are crazy fun. An older female sponsor would be so helpful.
Eh I don’t think we would “love her” if she gave one of her drama filled performances at a meeting I’d kick her ass out. Don’t think she’s ready to be sober. She’s rewarded for keeping up the drama and bs by bravo cutting her those checks. She thrives on attention, positive and negative. Don’t see her changing anytime soon. Also heard she’s trying to shop around a show all of her own, hence the weird “friendship” with Whitney now. Heard he’s sent out sizzle reels of it to multiple places. This was from someone who actually saw the tapes.
From my PERSONAL OBSERVATION, and I could be WRONG, but in my OPINION, she was high as fuck on something at the reunion and that is why in the custody agreement Thomas had them put in a clause for excessive use of her meds.
I noticed sometimes her speech was even slurred. The slow blinking com pausing and not remembering what she said 30 seconds prior kind of cemented your and everyone else’s observations.
Yep, looks like someone has anxiety switched from using marijuana to prescription benzodiazepines (i.e. Xanax).
Throw her out-Wtf? Lol. No, I’ve listened to drama queens drone on in meetings for over 25 years. Most of us ARE drama queens. (Not me, of course!) Especially for those new to the process, nothing is ever their fault, they’re always the victim. There’s always at least two at every meeting. I’m looking at you, Kim Richards…
It was crazy to see her meds really kick in last night-she was clearly high the entire time but could answer questions then suddenly you could see a shift; she couldn’t follow the conversation, the eyes hooded over and she couldn’t defend herself (although frankly her choices would be hard to defend even if she were sober).
You’re so right re’ the, “the time” TT! Not only newly sober people but even people with years are generally very specific about their, “Time”. It’s hard won and a point of pride.
Sliceo’pie, spot on reply.
I use to irregularly attend al-anon and several times have accompanied friends to their first several AA meetings. (Not all meetings are for a good match for every one, it can take attending a few different ones to find a good match.) I never not enjoyed a meeting but the larger ones were a bit overwhelming and not nearly as helpful as the smaller groups. They can be a hoot!
They need to shake up this cast. Thomas’s evil manipulating head came roaring out with that last threat to Kathryn. She is by far no angel (All red everything). However, threatening the lively hood of your mother’s child/ baby mama is loathsome.
PS: TT I emailed you about my email handle.
I stopped to check in for a while. I thought that tonight’s reunion was a bore. Probably because I didn’t care for the season.
Thx TT
Landon is a biiiiitcccch.
I can not decide about Shep. Until this season, I really liked him. Not sure if he has changed or if we are now seeing the true Shep. During this season I held off on deciding, knowing it could just be a bad edit. After tonight’s reunion, I don’t know, he is acting like such a dickhead.
I think after a few seasons the real person comes out. Drunk Shep is the real Shep. Sheesh I wish these people wouldn’t mess up their lives with drinking drinking drinking.
It seems like Shep admits to drinking 12 drinks/alcohol units a day. I think he should check into a 30 day type of rehab to just see if he can handle not drinking. He can’t seem to have fun or cope when he is not drinking. A lot of times when he’s seated he jerks his leg up and down- very restlessly. Maybe he uses the alcohol to calm down. If I got a medical test that showed I had liver damage I would not ignore it. Shep definitely abuses alcohol.He might not be an alcoholic yet but he is very dependent on it.
I was on my exercise bike watching the show and when Landon started to, “cry” I was screaming at the TV! No f–king way!! Peddling like mad. Lol. She’s so full of it. Does she think we really buy it?
I’m sick of Shep and I was tempted to FF throw the bash Craig session. These are his friends? Imagine how they treat people they DON’T like. Shep is so full of himself; a trust fund baby who’s invested in a few bars, parties with people half his age till 6 am and still feels he holds the moral high ground. Give me a friggin break.
Shep looks like he’s come off a week bender. These priv people couldn’t get rid of the bags under his eyes?!? Kathryn is under the influence, it’s obvious. She can’t follow the conversation, says she did or said something then follows it up that she didn’t. Then says, “whaaat? ” or “huh??” When someone calls her out about it. This was so boring to watch. Basically the Kathryn show and Landumb comments every once in a while. Man how can this be a two or three parter??
Kathryn was so high she couldn’t even form a sentence. Thomas is scary evil. Why does he always have to be so menacing towards Kathryn? What could Thomas have on Kathryn that would keep her from working again? When did she ever work anyway? Is Whitney done with the show? The rest was a snooze fest.
I think he’s highly upset at the impact her “lifestyle choices” had on their kids in utero and in the first year, especially when she used them as bargaining chips for a house and Burkin bag.
Agreed. I think her drug and alcohol use harmed at least one of the children and no reality show will cast her if this comes out publicly. They can’t be seen as abiding by it and she will lose many of her fans. I really do believe that Thomas hasn’t disclosed it publicly because he is trying to protect his child, not so much her.
Regarding Kathryn, I don’t think Thomas’s threats hold too much water. But it will scare her nonetheless. I hate to sound so cynical but It’s all about money and ratings. Bravo hired a felon without pause. Didn’t they even hold back the season so that she could participate? (correct me if I’m wrong) Movie stars are in hit and run accidents, jail for tax evasion etc and they get hired- by someone. People especially love it when someone sinks really low then redeems themselves-that’s worthy of a People Magazine Cover.
I really can’t stand him but I think he is protecting her They basically The cast is still protecting her as well . There’s a lot Jennifer could’ve spelled but didn’t…and she didn’t spare Jennifer not one iota… I don’t know why they all keep protecting her. The only thing I can guesstimate is Thomas has a say in it.
I was so excited when Jennifer was there and Kathryn had the nerve to accuse her of perjury that Jennifer was going to lay it all out there. But she didn’t. I respect Jennifer for that, but damn it would have been good TV.
I don’t see that Jennifer should have got involved in the custody case at all. Even if subpoenaed, in a case like that,pitting two parents against each other, it would be better to just forget.I wonder if she thought to give any evidence about the rages she had seen Thomas in over the years? I bet not!! In my view Thomas has a very easy time of it as he has so much resource including the nanny there for any time he goes troppo and gets very drunk or hangs out with God knows whatever female he can get his paws on.His controlling nature will end up impacting on the children as they get older and try to think for themselves. I believe he has plenty of faults and his abuse of Kathryn in so many ways has caused many of her issues. It becomes a vicious cycle that other people should stay away from. I think the whole handkerchief to Jennifer thing was ridiculous but there is something about Jennifer I just do not see as trustworthy or genuine and her evidence in the custody case was no doubt damaging to one party only and would have been the end of anything with her if I were Kathryn.
I was thinking this, too. I think the show is sympathetic toward Katherine. Shep was sitting there listening to everyone criticize her and he didn’t chime in to defend her which tells me he knows the allegations are true. I feel kind of duped thinking Katherine is a victim, but she really needs to get her act together. She is a gorgeous girl and I read earlier than she has made a reel for her own show (which I would watch). The others know the truth about her and are tired of her BS. There was a report that she was disorderly at her son’s baptism at Easter. Thomas didn’t invite her to that and I’m sure she was upset. Thomas just loves to set her up to fail. What a toxic pair they both are.
She was invited.. She didn’t like that the nanny was there Jensen causing her of telling everyone Thomas was having an affair with the nanny and the nanny’s daughter … I also read that
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I agree. Some children with FAS have auditory problems. Thomas outright said that about Kensie. I think he was warning her about revealing more dirt & not working on reality cause that’s the only thing she knows how to do. Most people would not take kindly to a women who damaged her kids by partying while pregnant.
I agree. He’s the one dealing with Kathryn’s consequences, not her. Bravo gave her a good edit this season. Funny how she was never shown with kids except for that modeling segment. Didn’t she have 1/2 supervised custody at the time? With her peddling a show doubt she wants to be hands-on mom.
“Kathryn’s consequences” I call bullshit on this statement. He shares equal blame in the “consequences”, he knew her lifestyle before he got her pregnant, he participated in the same lifestyle. He made his choice with eyes WIDE open. If you choose to make a baby with an addicted, you lose the right to cry over the “consequences” later.
Point well taken. I think Thomas didn’t realize her problem was beyond recreational. No doubt he is now responsible for the welfare of those kids.
Thank you and yes! He gave her the benefit of the doubt at that point. Thomas and Kathryn fell quickly “in love” early on. Neither one knew each other well. Then 1 and then 2 babies came into the picture in a rapid progression. Kathryn did not handle it well, even with paid help, paid rent and offers of a monthly stipend. She went out and stayed out till all hours according to court documents. She was also not allowing Thomas to see the kids… Thomas then went the court route.
I literally just started watching it, but WHAT THE FUCK does Kathryn have on? I saw it on the previews, but it looks even worse. Her hair? Ugh.
She swallowed a Red Robin and threw it up.
Google Katy perry red dress. Katy wore it and it was beautiful On Katy it was classy.
I googled Katy Perry’s “flamenco inspired” red dress, designed by Marchesa. In my opinion, it only looks good if you’re standing, or actually dancing flamenco. If you’re sitting, you look like Big Bird. Kathryn is beautiful, has a great figure, but needs a better stylist.
She looks like the dancing flamingo lady emiji! Cha cha cha ; )
I think the red robin vomited that dress all on it’s own.
That last threat was weird….with everything going on with their parenting situation, why would he be threatening her “career” and not her ability to be an active part of their children’s lives?
I think Thomas meant if all info came out about her she’d never work again.
He really is trying to save her life with this new Agreement.
THIS! Exactly! Damn I hate when I agree with Spunk. 🙂
Thomas went from looking handsome to horrific in seconds. Katherine looked awful with that fright wig and scarlet dress – what was she thinking?
When Craig finally gets his ‘nut’ (investment money) I want to see him ditch them all at a reunion show. I still think he’s a fairly decent sort – I mean he talks to cats, fer chrissakes. What’s not to love?
In spite of being an annoying dolphin, Landon looked pretty. I like the wavy hair and she’s doing something that makes her eye color pop and her face look bright and fresh.
Speaking of looks, I love Shep but he needed a facial, a night’s sleep, a shave and a lemon rinse for that hair. Time to get his teeth redone, too.
Cameron looked precious with her tiny bump. She plays the game but is, at heart I believe, a sweetie.
Thanks for the recap, Tamara!
“He talk to cats.” I love it! Craig seems like a lovable doofus, while Shep seems like a grump.
Yes; hard to admit, but just about ANY guy who talks to his cats gets at least a partial pass in my book.
But re druggies, have no idea what Kathryn was spaced on. Had to use xanax myself, when my job required a lot of air travel (and when there was a connecting flight, I’d take a sh*t-load). It worked as advertized and held off the panic attacks, but that was it. Am baffled that people find recreational value in any standard benzodiazepine, *on its own* at least.
As in the case of Maci’s (?) toasted Teen Mom Dad, suggesting that she’s on xanax seems like a cover or euphemism for something far more debilitating.
I found out that my nephew was abusing Valium and it was a big party drug at his high school 10 years ago. My nephew had to go to several rehabs- some court ordered for this. I was surprised too that someone would use benzo drugs recreationally..
I can’t stand Thomas and I did stand up for Kathryn but damn fuck with my kids and evil will come out also!
I haven’t the slightest idea what that means. It started off well but petered off…. ; )
Did anyone else notice they edited out the scene of Kathryn alleging that Thomas told her to have an abortion with both pregnancies?
I DID! I waited for it, but it never came.
I wonder if TRav made them edit it out after he saw the trailer.
No, was that in one of tonight’s scenes? I imagine Thomas got his attorneys on that in a HURRY,
They showed the scene (Thomas praising Jennifer for choosing to have her son) but they cut out Kathryn telling Craig Thomas told her to have abortions. I don’t believe Kat on this one. I think Thomas wanted those kids.
Do remember the timing of her pregnancy with his joke of a campaign. Also, he did try to as much as possible keep the public from seeing Katherine and Kensie. He admitted this during one of tbe reunion, I think. Not just for her behavior but the fact that Kensie was born out of wedlock. He described himself as socially liberal and fiscally conservative in the first season. While I do believe on some level he wanted those children, the possible reasons as to why are perhaps not ideal. His age, family pressure, the history of the Ravenel/Calhoun bloodline and the slightest possible chance that his image may have improved if he became known as family man. However, at the beginning of the second pregnancy all of the old justifications were no longer truly viable. He has been commitent phobic in tbe past, that is well documented. mas often as he goes out of state an abortion could have been done quietly.Many people would over look him having had one child with a much younger but troubled woman but two? He probably felt what was left of his character,in the eyes of the public, would have been disparaged. I am not saying that I believe Katherine. I am of the opinon that its not outside the realm of possibility that he at some point asked KD to consider it or out right asked for it in the middle of a heated argument.
It’s odd that Thomas has such Daddy issues and yet he is such a F up that he can’t seem to help living up to his father’s low expectations of him.
i totally see him telling her to have an abortion…
Then you are watching a different show. He’d known her five minutes before he started telling her he wanted her to have his babies. He wanted a brood mare. He got exactly what he wanted.
He even admitted it on TV. http://tamaratattles.com/2017/06/05/southern-charm-savannah-the-perfect-storm/
Yes ma’am he did!! And he wanted them with her!!! Calhoun pedigree. Thomas has said from day 1, season 1, that his greatest regret and greatest fear in life, was not having children. NO way he was asking for abortions. When they both decided to stay together season 1 it was to start a family!
Overall I totally agree. But he has such a temper and a history of making stupid blustering threats and then retracting them that who knows what he said on the spur of the moment (and spurred by masses of alcohol). He seems to have had very little self control – at least until he actually had the children existing in front of him. He is incredibly self indulgent and immature for a man of his age.
who knows if that was true – that he said have an abortion. There’s also context- if he said it – why? Was there drinking or drug
Use early in the pregnancy? Did he ask if that was something she’s thinking about. If you remember us reunion 3- they asked KD about not coming clean in being pregnant during a WWHL Eoiaode. Craig said something like ‘YOU weren’t sure what YOU were going to do’ which I read into that she was considering not having Saint. And maybe as parents, they didn’t want it out there for their kids to hear one day that it was an option. That would be heartbreaking for a kid to find out that the parents were considering not having them… on top of everything else they will read about. If she did say that out loud and intended the world to hear it, that’s disgusting.
That was disgusting on her part. Glad they edited out.
The truth hurts sometimes…
Regardless if it is true or not, she should not have said it out of consideration for her children. Both Kat and TRav are selfish twats.
Kids should never hear that. Shows how screwed up she is.
God bless you, TT, for recapping with such dependability this boring season. I’ll be happy to provide some happy go lucky realness next season, the good Lord willing and the creeks don’t rise.
How about some realness for this last season?? What happened to you Coop? You need to spill the real tea on what happened and what’s going on!
Where is Whitney????? And why no mention of his absence? Pat wasn’t mentioned either…….hmmmm…..
Whit was technically not a main cast member this year. He was busy producing Southern Charm Savannah.
Lol talk about a flop. Not even gonna waste money on reunion for them. One of the cast members told me on Twitter that they had really high ratings. Dunno which one of his life coaches lied to him about that.
Thank God. No one wanted to see that ole Haint no way!!!!
I don’t understand why of all things he is threatening her career? What could he have on her to threaten a career, and what career is he referring to?..Gold digging career…reality tv career…those are the only Alleged careers I’m aware of.
Work again? When did she ever work since this show aired? I guess this show is considered work?? Is he referring to the show she’s shopping around now?
sad sad sad KD she has some issue going on as a Registered Nurse I don’t know if she is heavily medicated from her Anxiety meds or on something but hello this child is on something..I feel so bad of how a grow man acts and gets away with this money seems to be as usual the determining factor at play.. what her lawyers agreed too is a good start.. Praying she turns her life around and get off this show and makes something of herself and takes care of her children they need her….
Eh I’m a nurse too but don’t think it takes a health care professional to figure out she’s on something. Last reunion she couldn’t sit still and was freaking out the whole time. This time she can’t hardly string together a train of thought. Slow blinking and not remembering what she said 30 seconds ago. Sad. I think that’s why trav was fuming but trying to stay chill. He knew she was under influence.
I will follow with I too am a nurse, and Kathryn has been pretty much high on something for her entire tenure on this show… Last year reunion definitely spoke to to coke with amphetamines. This year reunion, benzos and poss opiates.
No freaking doubt.
I think after a few seasons the real person comes out. Sheesh I wish these people wouldn’t mess up their lives with drinking drinking drinking.
In the custody agreement, Thomas gave here a restricted by sane path to joint custody over time. This reunion episode isn’t helping her get there, Word is she will get more sedated as the episodes roll on and Andy was aware and waiting for her xanax to kick in,,,
After reading the agreement, I felt like Mr. Ravenel had to be father to 2 generations. Not saying I like the man, but I felt it was a fair path for Kathryn to get the kids.
Admittedly I thought Kathryn was “not right”, but now, of course, an anxiety drug could allegedly have done it.
Landon’s crocodile tears remind me of my mom’s phrase, “You aren’t crying because you feel sad, you are crying because you got caught.” She has spent the season appeasing everyone in hopes of finding a defender.
Is it me, or was Jennifer the only one who looked honestly outraged by the accusations?
The others looked sheepish when Kathryn started in.
To be fair, it could be a neuroleptic/anti-psychosis med such as Seroquel or Zyprexa. If she is suffering from a dual diagnosis involving poly substance abuse AND bipolar disorder, she may be prescribed an anti-psychotic to quell the extremes polarity in mood. These neuroleptic drugs can be extremely sedating, especially during the beginning phases of therapy. They can make you literally drool before your body acclimates. Since she is subject to drug screens and IF she is actually working a 12-step program (which I sadly doubt) benzodiazepines and/or opiates would be verboten.
That said she’s probably on something akin to Ativan or Xanax and I am giving her far too much benefit of the doubt. I just wanted to inject the possibility of her using legitimate drugs for mood disorder.
Well, the mask certainly slipped at the end, there, Thomas. Kathryn has a pretty good shot at getting herself together, but I don’t think he will ever stop gaslighting the people in his life.
I may be the only one here who likes Kathryn anymore. Seems to me she did gain some insight into herself & others when she was in rehab. I don’t think that her newfound calm & composure is totally because she’s sedated or medicated. Maybe she took a Xanax, but it’s not like her eyes were rolling around in her head. I think she’s actually learned some coping mechanisms. Or maybe not. Maybe Reunion Part 2 will be a shit storm and that will make Andy happy because, ratings. I believe she & Thomas still love each other. They look at each other with such longing and regret sometimes & I don’t think it’s just about the sex. I do believe he may be trying to protect her with the new custody agreement, but at other times he can be such a dick! And he has substance abuse problems of his own. Only reason he got custody is because he has money to make things go his way and then stick the kids with the nanny! From day one, Whitney, Patricia & J.T. had a big part in convincing Thomas that Kathryn wasn’t good enough for him. I think Kathryn owes Jennifer an apology. Jennifer has tried to be a good old friend. I’m tired of everyone picking on Craig! Maybe Craig can get out his sewing machine & make Andy a necktie that fits properly! I hope he & Naomie stay together and same for Chelsea & Austen, if they are still a real couple. I find him to be so sweet & sincere. Tamara, you hit the nail on the head when you said Landon decided to cry to get more screen time. What a phony! Happy for Cameran & her impending motherhood. Shep, oh Shep! I love you, but please get yourself into therapy and rehab and figure out your unhappiness and how to get back on track. If you continue to drink 12 drinks a day/night, you won’t be able to reverse the liver damage. And thanks, TT, for the recap! Is there gonna be a Reunion for SC Savannah?
How could she have gained real insight into herself if she can’t even cop to why she went to rehab in the first place and be honest about it? She didn’t go to rehab for pot. She also definitely “took a sip” and then some of alcohol on the key west trip.
You have absolutely no semblance of recovery without honesty, and TT is right, in early recovery, you know the exact amount of days you’ve been sober/clean lol. I went from counting days, to months, now I just mark the years.
But early on, days are milestones. She was lit, for sure. It was hard to watch.
Agree completely. I do think pot can negatively affect a person’s life to the point professional help is needed. Just like alcohol, some people can partake now and then and it is not an issue for them while others become dependent. However, I do not think weed was Kat’s drug of choice. Alcohol and pills is more likely. Either opiates or benzos (xanax, klonopin). Benzo addiction is no joke. I was prescribed Klonpin after my brother died to help with anxiety and panic attacks. I became addicted and was cut off cold turkey by an idiot doctor. It was hell on earth. I almost did not survive the withdrawals. Happy to say I am benzo free for 18 months. My brain is STILL healing from what that poison did to it (it’s called Protracted Withdrawal Syndrome. Google Stevie Nicks and Klonopin. She has spoken out about her benzo addiction and says it was worse than cocaine as far as withdrawal goes. I hope Kathryn gets REAL help and gets her babies back but she needs to get real about her sobriety and put in the actual work.
First off, NellBell, I’m so sorry you went through that. Not only is that torture, but you could literally die from benzo withdrawal. You could suffer seizures. I saw it when I was in treatment, anyone who was hooked on benzos had to be weaned off slowly and given medication to keep them safe. You cannot just cut someone off cold turkey, it’s not like opiates where it will feel like hell but you are in no danger of actually dying, you can. Jesus, you poor thing.
I used them, but was not dependent physically so I never felt that hellish withdrawal but I had other issues and I witnessed first hand what people went through coming off them. It’s insane how quick doctors are to prescribe something so addictive and damaging. They are a lifesaver if you actually have panic attacks and if you take them responsibly but so risky and easy to abuse, even without knowing you are abusing them.
kathryn looked zonked out on something to me last night and it wasn’t speedy, alcohol, or weed IMO. I keep her and anyone trying to tackle this stuff in my prayers, honestly.
Thanks Shae ? I am indeed lucky to be alive. It is very scary how uneducated some doctors are about benzo withdrawal. I wish I would have been weaned off them properly but I am just thankful to be free from them.
My god…I am sorry. No one should suffer that. Again, had no idea.
Her appearance and actions resemble that of someone on a high dosage of anti anxiety medication. I thought I read she is also on psych meds. If she took more than the prescribed dosage of either an anti anxiety medication,mood stabilizer, or any number of antipsychotics that could result in the signs we saw. Especially if mixed with even the smallest bit of alcohol. Considering how stressful these reunions have been in the past, the temptation certainly would be there. For an addict the temptation is always there, stressful situations such as this take a lot of preparation and copping techniques to handle while sober.
Funny, I have heard so much about Klonopin withdrawal issues, but never had them myself.
I took (and frankly should still be taking them) to help control a tremor in my hands and it worked like a charm for years.
I haven’t had any pills in months upon months and yet..no problems at all as far as withdrawal problems… I wonder why I would have no issues and yet I know for a fact others have – its curious to me
Any, if someone gave a deposition against me like Jennifer did Kathryn, truthful or not, I’d never be in the same space with that person again, let alone friendly. I hadn’t known about the deposition when I posted a few weeks ago about Kathryn being rude to Jennifer.
That’s unforgivable. No one can compel you to give a deposition unless subpoenaed, and while I don’t know if you can be subpoenaed in a civil matter like divorce or custody hearings, still, you don’t do that to aomeone you call a friend.
FYI
“Jennifer E. Snowden @jsnowden1
I was Subpoenaed = I didn’t have a choice as it’s the law. it wasn’t something I was thrilled to be a part of regarding either of them”
Felt compelled to clarify a few things in your above comment. First, you can be subpoenaed in any civil matter, domestic or otherwise. Second, Jennifer WAS subpoenaed to testify in Kathryn and Thomas’ case. She had to show up to the deposition, sit down, and swear under oath that she would tell the truth.
Third, there is no such thing as giving a deposition “for” or “against” anyone. Depositions can be used for or against either party – they are fact finding mechanisms. After you are sworn in at a deposition, you have no control over the questions asked of you. You simply must answer each question truthfully.
Fourth, if you attempt to answer a question that was not asked, your answer can be stricken. For example, if the question is asked, “have you observed Thomas to be a kind parent to his children?” and you respond “yes . . . but Kathryn is also a great parent, she is the BEST parent, she loves her children, blah blah blah,” a good attorney will ask that everything after you responded “yes” be stricken from the record as not responsive to the question asked.
So, and I am not trying to be rude here or anything, your statements that it’s unforgivable that Jennifer would “give a deposition against” Kathryn misconstrues what actually happened. Jennifer couldn’t no-show, she couldn’t lie under oath, she couldn’t control the questioning, and she couldn’t refuse to answer the questions (unless her answer would somehow implicate her criminally, which I highly doubt was ever the case). Refusing to answer questions at a deposition can land you in contempt of court – which is actually a criminal matter – and you could be fined or even put in jail.
Hope that helps to clear some things up….
Thank you, Justsayin. You are absolutely 100% correct.
Sure does, thank you both very much. I was deposed in a matter having to do with a car accident and my lawyer instructed me to answer as briefly as possible, volunteering nothing, and sticking to a simple “yes” or “no” when applicable. That’s the extent of my experience with depositions. I did not know one could be compelled to testify in someone else’s divorce or custody proceedings.
I don’t see any difference between Kathryn Shep or Thomas they all have addiction problems so I don’t know why Kathryn is singled out. I think she has a short fuse and let her temper fly on past season, good for Andy and ratings but not so good for her. But at the last of this reunion we see angry Shep is not a good thing and angry Thomas is scary.
The difference between Kat and the others is the size of their bank accounts.
Nope! Kathryn birthed two human beings while on the show. Big difference.
Kathryns the only mother on the show with the addiction issues. That’s why it’s a problem. It wasn’t a problems the first season before Kensie.
@Rusty Fender – I totally agree with you- well said. Shep and Thomas both have loads of money and maybe that makes them less insecure about their lives. I feel like Thomas used Katherine to have children. He has a history (I read) of leaving women at the altar before. He has massive commitment issues. It’s like he has to set a relationship up to fail. Katherine is as crazy as Thomas is and vice versa. They really should have just gotten married and raised their kids. Thomas is always asking everyone for their opinion about how to handle his life- he’s such a flake. He’s so worried about his reputation when he served time in federal prison? Thomas- your reputation is permanently ruined- and you are on a reality show. That’s pretty bad in itself. Get over yourself.
I agree with everything you just said… except Jennifer… I don’t think we know 1/2 the story there… or that Jennifer is as innocent as she portrays herself to be…
before Jennifer got pregnant, she was a major shit-stirrer
Thomas looked the picture of pure evil when he started to make bullying threats.
I’ve seen glimpses of this beneath the charm and congeniality. I have a feeling he can be real ugly In a relationship
I also agree that Patti’s, Whitney’s and Landon’s badmouthing stopped Thomas from marrying Kathryn, and contributed to everything we saw last night. It put KD, Thomas and their children in a very bad place. It is easy to blame Kathryn, but vicious manipulators can push people into making decisions that ruin lives. We don’t know everything, but would KD have been different and her children cared for properly had KD been provided the emotional and financial security of marriage? As Patricia and Cameran, have been provided – Patricia provided 3 times, and likely ready for more? While Patricia says she grew up in an era absent out of wedlock births? yet she pushed for exactly that for KD? to be an out of wedlock mother? Oh how nobly hypocritical. I hope that Kathryn does work the AA/NA program, finds a truly supportive and wise sponsor, along with a knowledgeable and truly caring private therapist. I was impressed by some of Kathryn’s insights. Also think Landon’s tears were fake. And despite the way they go after Craig, he always rises like cream to the top, bc he is a class act. Maybe that is what irks Shep so much. Class that is not country club bought? There was a very strange vibe in that reunion room. It felt almost like a “whodunnit”. I think the ancient baggage who was absent – truly dunnit.
I am not excusing the others’ behavior, but Thomas and Kathryn absolutely should not have gotten married. Kathryn isn’t an addict or an alcoholic because Thomas didn’t marry her or provide adequate financial support. She was very young, promiscuous, and running from bed to bed within a small group of friends. Now I am not judging her for that behavior, as I myself am in recovery and have made questionable choices in my early to mid twenties, but that is not the type of behavior you want to see in a woman you plan to marry. Nor is getting married to a 50 something year old when you’re still running wild in your early twenties very wise. Kathryn earned some of that bad reputation, she did behave really crazy, she did have two kids with an unreliable, unstable, and according to her, verbally abusive guy all while having a drug problem.
And Thomas was a hot mess himself, so I think the only thing here that did go right was these two did not get married and then have to suffer an excruciating divorce in addition to custody battle.
I have sympathy and empathy for Kathryn’s addiction issues and pain over her kids, I do, but she lies (as all addicts do) and manipulates, and if she truly had insight into her situation she wouldn’t be drinking, claming she’s only in recovery from pot, and pointing fingers at everyone else taking no accountability. It’s all talk IMO because I still see a lot of her old behaviors.
If she wants real, lasting change, she needs to drop the idea of the toxic relationship with Thomas she has in her head, focus on her real recovery, not bs fake recovery, and the rest will follow. She will be the best mom she can be to her kids, she can’t do it any other way, half assed.
I thought when Thomas first broke up with Kathryn in season 1 she handled it with a lot of class. But then after having Kensie things went very bad as she competed with the political campaign, became attention-seeking and demanding and the whole dream crashed. I am quite convinced her feelings for Thomas were and are genuine but she has lost perspective and those feelings are now more of an obsession and a real problem for her. I think Scottishwitch is right that there may have been a time when different circumstances could have been a turning point to a bright future for her and Thomas. I never saw her as the gold digger and worse that some people insist she is.Just someone young and too easily impressed by Thomas and not understanding that a man of that age would have been married to someone if his facade was that of a genuinely nice guy. But that time when things could have perhaps worked if Thomas would have changed the habits of a lifetime was a long time ago. She was looking a wreck at the reunion and I believe she needs to plot a very different life path for herself if she is ever to achieve real happiness. At present she is seems to be just drifting and wasting her life. I dont even begin to understand her addiction issues, what they are or how she is or is not addressing them. I loathe her new hairstyle that looked unwashed and did no favours for her skin. Such a shame! She still has a unique sparkle in some clips from the show and I hope she can move herself to that place bit by bit. Thomas will not change and will just get older.
I am in recovery as well, eleven years clean come August. I attended an old-school 12-step program in St. Simons, GA and it was ROUGH. Accountability slapping me in my puking face every second. No place to half-ass it. (No yoga- that was for damn sure) From what I’ve seen I think KD attended a Promises Malibu-type facility where it’s not 12-step based and is quite lax on structure, accountability, and good old fashioned tough love. If so, I feel she may have wasted her time and copious money on that program. I realize there are problems with 12-step, but in my case I cannot deny the efficacy.
Most addicts need a few tries at rehab. It looks like she needs another round, but she’s gotta want it with all she’s got. I just don’t see it in her, but I have the highest hopes that she will get healthy. In my opinion, she needs to leave the kids with Thomas and concentrate on sobriety. It’s imperative she take care of herself before she can be of any good to anyone else.
Well said Angeline, and congrats on your time. I celebrate 5 years, tomorrow!
You’re right, even if she had gone to a stricter facility that follows the 12 step model, chances are she would not have gotten it the first time, most people don’t. I just hope for her sake she gets honest with herself and then begins real healing because life can be a lot better once you get that monkey off your back! She is not my favorite on the show, but I do not enjoy seeing someone tortured this way, separated from their kids and being ill and whatnot. Nobody deserves to live that way.
“Hi, my name is XXX, I’m an addict/alcoholic and it’s ALL MY FAULT. ” Said no one ever! to their first meeting.
Congratulations Shae! 5 years is amazing. xo
There are MANY single mothers who manage to properly care for their kids. And they do it WITHOUT a Bravo paycheck. They work their asses off at a crap job and work some more tending to their kids. Kathryn is spoiled and entitled. She thought having TRavs babies would mean she was set for a life of shopping and partying. She hitched her wagon to the wrong horse and that is nobody’s fault but her own.
It seemed to me that Kathryn truly loved Thomas. Also, no two 21 year olds are alike, depending on a lot of factors, and she was very young when this all began. And just because one person can do something with one arm behind their back,does not mean another can. Not everyone can run a marathon, we all have different constitutions and past injuries. I do agree that Kathryn needs to take her sobriety seriously, work the programs, find a truly devoted sponsor and therapist, go back to school when she is ready and achieve a degree and career. That said, why all the harsh judging? And negative assumptions about her motivations? It seems a bit much, and kicking someone who is already down is not very pretty. Then again, when people are unhappy with themseves and jealous of others (who may be beautiful and getting Bravo paychecks) — they like to have at it — but usually only when that other person appears vulnerable to attack. As Kathryn certainly seems here.
No my dear, I am not jealous of Kathryn’s beauty or fucked up life. 1. I am not the jealous type and 2. If I WERE the jealous type I would be jealous of Cameran who’s lifestyle and beauty I find much more admirable than Krazy Kathryn.
Sing it! Everyone makes crap choices and i am queen of that. But you cannot compound the mess by looking for a meal ticket.
I agree with TT. Bashing Craig looks immature and is boring.
Oh my gosh!!! I have watched from episode 1, season 1. No one. Nobody. No single person did ANYTHING to Kathryn’s and Thomas’ relationship that they didn’t do to each other. I am so fucking tired of the blame game, the age game, the money game, the maturity game… Kathryn and Thomas chose each other. Willingly. Both consenting adults, neither one green behind the ears.
This!
@scottishwitch So well said- I agree with you about Patricia and her three marriages. That is not anything to be proud of and to allow Katherine to be an unwed mother is cruel. I hate that Thomas goes around asking everyone for their opinion about his life. It shows how weak he is.
Kathryn and Black Chyna are one in the same but Black Chyna is being called Shanquantanica and Bonequiesha and all kinds of ghetto hood names but Kathryn is called “victim” Im so sick of her and her nastisness.
No two people are exactly the same. If you want to discuss facts, then do that, but just calling someone “nasty” is not an argument.
Its is my argument. Thanks blog police.
Not that “Blac Chyna” would care. She’s thirsty for any and all publicity she can get.
KD said W and L were in thomas ear saying things like
1. She’s too young
2 she’s inappropriate
3 she parties too much
4 she does XYandZ
Which one of those statements were not true?
If she was sober for 8 months and got out of rehab in August- she’s missing a couple of months.
I must be in the minority. I would have lost my shit is someone said I ‘could’ be the father of Snowdens baby, that I stayed the night in her bed recently, and whatever other things she either said that were edited out. She was going down a path – by the way- part of custody agreement is no disparaging words about the other- I think Thomas was showing restraint.
We all know he has a lot on her that he doesn’t share. Last year she said he designed her an engagement ring- but did he come back and say what happened the night he bought it? No.
1. She was not too young. Look at Alex Baldwin and his wife with 3 children and 26 year age difference and they just renewed their vows. 2. She is no more inappropriate than Weird Whitney with his disgusting gestures at the dinner table, the carpetbagger, pickled with martinis basking in the glow of plastic pink flamingoes, with courtesan lectures on how to snare ancient wealthy men, while jealously obsessed with a young woman 1/3 her age, and Thomas with numerous inappropriatenesses 3. KD appears to party no more than Thomas and his weird hangers-on, Landon, Shep etc., and, 4. “she does x, y and z”? whatever they are? Let’s look in all their closets for their x’s, y’s and z’s. I wonder what we would find.
I agree. Age is not the problem but the excuse they are both using in different ways. I also agree there is tons of inappropriate behavior by most others on the show – constantly. It just does not seem a very healthy little group – wealthy or not. Landon is a nasty, grabby woman and even Cameron jars with me sometimes as she is mostly quite happy to spend time socializing with the others – no matter what they say or do – so is selective in what she judges as beneath her. But her concern for Shep’s health is genuine and he sure does look to be at a bit of a crisis point. I hope Cameron lets the show go and concentrates on looking after her own family.
1. Not age difference – too young. HIlaria was near 30 when she married Alec.
2. Physical violence is much more inappropriate. She attacked Whitney, destroyed a camera and google the fight she had with Thomas in New York- If a man did that to a woman, it would be abuse.
3 thomas bought Kathryn an engagement ring- she stayed out for hours on the same night, she failed DRUG tests, she herself admitted to only being sober for 8 months, she’s been out of rehab longer than that.
4. She used the term X Y And Z- maybe that meant slept with Shepard Whitney and lies about sleeping with Whitney- which is pot calling kettle black if she’s mad about jennifer and Thomas.
Again the question was which of those statements were not true? Not is anyone else doing the same thing… everything she claims that was said was true.
Remember Whitney literally begged her to lie when they were out at a big public dinner and the topic came up. It was only later he decided to mention it to Thomas when he was worried the two of them had something serious going.
I saw that video of Kathryn raging and pushing around Thomas in a public street. I imagine this has happened many times and Thomas never had her arrested.
I also saw a video of Shep and Craig being interviewed at a casino in Atlantic City. Shep was asked who he liked to sleep with on the show and Shep said of course Kathryn. They banged and after she wanted to bang all over his house, which they did. It was disgusting he said that about her. Craig just stood there with a smile on his face. Shep is a PIG.
I ? This comment.
I went back and rewatched the previous seasons and was actually surprised at how supportive Landon was in season two of Thomas and Kathryn. She was always very inclusive of and kind to Kathryn. Things didn’t change until the election day party when Kathryn starting yelling (slurring) at Landon and flipping her off. Things were downhill from there.
As far as Whitney goes, everything he said about Kathryn was pretty much bang on. He saw her for what she was and did what most friends would do and warned Thomas getting involved with her wasn’t a good idea.
She did this all to herself. Hopefully she can turn it around, but until she accepts responsibility and stops blaming everyone else for her issues, it’s not going to happen. And having legions of “fans” perpetuating her victim role certainly does her no favors.
I find it so interesting how everyone is piling on Kathryn because she appears so obviously sedated to the point that it is affecting her speech. She must have felt terribly anxious going into this reunion and afraid of blowing up her deal with Thomas. That is a lot of pressure, and one can never know exactly how much to take to get yourself calm enough to handle what may be thrown at you . However, at the sign of her blood in the water, so many here are attacking her, to the extent of going back and watching re-runs to support Landon. There is a “Lord of the Flies” aspect to this that is most unattractive. Of course, all the cruelty is vented under the pretext of not wanting to enable. But it is just a primitive mobbing. Imo, not truly helpful, kindly or thoughtful.
I didn’t go back and watch reruns to be able to support Landon, I actually went back and wanted to see if maybe I was missing something because of how ardently some people defend Kathryn. Like, did I just not remember her wonderful moments and how she was used and abused by the cast or was I remembering correctly all of her lies and drama. Turns out my memory was perfectly fine and my perception of Kathryn is the same as it was before – that she brought all of this on herself. I was actually surprised to see how supportive Landon really was of Kathryn because I hadn’t remembered that. So not piling it on your girl, just calling it how it is.
And I am not going to go back and copy and paste all Thomas’ promises to Kathryn, that he never kept, and all the horrible things the carpetbagger, her spawn, Cameran, Landon, and so many other Thomas and Patricia, money/social/connections/ producer A%s kissers, said about Kathryn, as a young mother and even when she was pregnant. It was a massive “pile on” and most people would not mentally survive that kind of bullying, mobbing and ripping apart. Your “memory” is highly selective, and skewed to justify your attacks on someone who has been attacked enough. And the fact that people keep doing this — is becoming disgusting. She only “brought it upon herself” because she was vulnerable, without vaunted wealth and social influence, like Patti and Thomas — but at the same time, she is an object of tremendous envy because of her beauty, flair, and Southern lineage. I hope and trust she will rise like a phoenix. It is too bad she has to stay in Charleston, which seems like Peyton Place.
She disappeared for HOURS the night he bought an engagement ring.
Squeezy: If that is true about the engagement ring, their timing has been tragically mis-matched. I just hope they both find happiness, for themselves and their children. This has all got to turn around in a good and healthy way. God willing.
Yes, Tilly! I watched the same shows you did! Kathryn was unstable, irrational, conniving, calculating, and completely socially irreverent from the start. She had an agenda, no doubt.
And yes, I see Landon too as she originally appeared. Fresh out of a divorce in California. Open to the idea of a new life back in SC. Open to being on a show about Charleston. My how things have changed. When Kathryn went after her with her crazy middle finger waving, Landon altered her tact. The rest is reality SC history. The good, bad, and ugly…
If you are in recovery, you don’t take anything, though. You have to deal with life on life’s terms, without the aid of mood altering chemicals. Clearly, she is not in recovery. I say that with pity, not condemnation.
Secondly, she has done more than her fair share of attacking. She can be heartless, vicious and nasty with the best of them and dish it out. I do not see her as a victim. I see her as unfortunate, and behaving in a manner typical of a 20 something young woman with a drug problem. Unfortunate, but predictable.
She set herself up for that negative attention. It does not excuse some of the poor behavior directed her way, but she put herself front and center as a lightning rod for it. You can’t behave badly, screaming at people, sleeping with 3 guys in a group of friends and go on lying about it until you’re caught, then cry victim when people have something to say. There was wrongdoing all around, but damn, I do think she hated Whitney because he called her out day one, black and white. Regardless if she’d ditched him, he was right about her behavior and Thomas should not have gotten involved with her, and she should not have been involved with him. They were toxic from day one. she was in no position to be in serious relationship or situation and he handled himself poorly, too. He was a sucker for a young, pretty, thing who had no business becoming a mother at the time and didn’t have her life in order. Now the kids and both of them are suffering for their awful choices and lack of thought.
Shit happens, people are fallible, I am not judging them for these mistakes or choices, we have all made errors and learned from them, just calling them out for what I believe them to be.
I never saw Landon in this light – more just being the new one on the show and trying to run with the hares and hunt with the hounds to get attention for herself and carve out her own spot in the limelight.
Tilly you are dead on. I also have rewatched previous seasons to try to be fair and have the same opinion. Thomas was a dope not to listen to his friends about her.
Craig is the shining star of this Charleston mess. I am so happy that he passed the bar and shot down all of their negativity. The sewing creativity, internet-learned gardening, cat-loving and general human kindness – added to his good looks – make the other men pale in comparison. They are just envious.
Oh Kathryn …. what a mess you are. I do agree with another poster: the chemistry between Thomas and her is still palpable. What a loss for both of them.
Has Landon had eye work done? They don’t seem as squinty as usual. Too bad there’s not cosmetic surgery for vocal cords. Yikes — that voice!
Craig is hottt Thomas is handsome and Austen is cute, Shep is a mess and he is always trying to appear smarter than he actually is. It’s annoying….
I like craig. I think he is what you would call “eccentric “.
Did you see how he had them legs crossed????
Rehab for marijuana.. Laced with Opiates or Cocaine maybe…
Thanks for the recap TT. I was almost worried the episode would be a scream fest from the start. I think Katherine has one unfortunate tendency, (ignoring addiction, because, addiction is addiction). But she starts to communicate and then gets off track by trying to one-up or verbally smack people. Like “who are you, anyway?” or waving people off dismissively and she loses her audience. When she appeared sober on the season, she had some self-aware things to say. I hope she grabs this agreement and follows it to the letter. Not because she owes it to Thomas. But I hope we get to see her come out of this alive and intact.
I know some people feel their right to free speech is being violated by pointing this out but tirelessly, endlessly fighting the good fight for Kathryn by responding to every negative comment about her with novels of conjecture is sort of insane. Look, I’m a fan of hers. I hope she pulls it together. Thomas is an asshole with a lot of pull in Charleston, but she is far from a babe in the woods. Accusing Jennifer of perjury was special.
Shep is straight up grossing me out at this point. Craig seems like a good guy who’s a little slow on the uptake. Kids staying kids until they are 30 (or 40 if you’re Shep) is what I see. Landon is a twit. It’s laughable they tried to intimate a renewed relationship between Kathryn and Thomas at the end of the season. WTF? It’s all so public!
Kathryn, bless her heart, looks like the madam at Maison Derriere.
I hated how Andy spent the first 15 or so minutes running down Craig. Considering the anti-Craig overload, I thought he handled it well. Almost everyone was piling on. I also think it was awful how Kathyrn never told Jennifer how sorry she was for her baby’s serious medical condition. I don’t care how hurt she was or how betrayed she felt, that was terrible. I used to like Shep a lot better and I don’t see how Andy thought he deserved or was worthy of his own show. I will totally skip that one. Bravo is just going downhill in my opinion in every regard.
Agree. And Andy’s persistent glee (and choice of terms) in discussing “cheese VS BJ” made my spouse leave the room. Mr. Ratchet had no class.
Shep, in my mind, lost his status as a voice of reason a long time time ago. His new show… no thanks.. We all know what he is looking for and it isn’t a wife and settling down.. thanks to his appearance WWHL
it seems shep has a lot of envy toward austen these days and craig. he is always berating craig who has passed law school and has taken the bar and is now a lawyer. craig is also wking on a committed relationship whether it works out or not. he does not need to be w/a different girl every night. what can shep say for himself. it seems for the past few seasons his whole storyline has been bashing craig. he is definitely on a downward spiral — way too much heavy drinking and he knows it. he’s also 37! needs to get his act together — rehab!!!
I noticed TRav’s IG is now private. Was this due to the reunion or been like this for awhile?
I’m not finding this nearly as boring as you did. I think it’s much better than when everyone is yelling or talking over each other. At least, this I can hear.
Starting to see the change in Kathryn, wow. Something is kicking in. She’s slurring and looks wasted. Sad.
Katherine is an extremely paranoid person. She doesnt trust anyone. Quite sad that handing someone a hanky is seen as a sign of betrayal.
She seems to be on xanax to me. Not sure if that’s a nono with the court agreement.
Ok, I am shocked that Andy called his golden boy (and Craig) a drunken a hole.
and meant it. Andy seemed very annoyed to me.
Everyone was sketchy. I felt a very ill at ease atmosphere around them all .
I love Craig and Naomi and hope they work it out. Same for Chelsea and Austin.
Sheep seemed ready to bolt. His behavior was shameful.
I hope Cameron leaves and goes home to raise her babe away from the crazy.
I honestly pray for Kathryn. I truly think something very deep and buried is at play here. Some of those court restrictions have me worried regarding her Dad.
She is like a cornered animal, terrified and defiant.
I agree Sundayhare. There was a very dark, almost horror film, atmosphere in the room. It felt like the movie “Ten Little Indians”. It was weird.
How do you know the atmosphere in the room scottishwitch? , where YOU present during the taping of the show? You do seem to be Kathryn’s biggest supporter on this blog since last night’s reunion program airing !!!! Just wondering……..
As Subdayhare noted, and it was only my impression – as I watched the show. I “know nothing” but “winter is coming”.
I still don’t understand why Andy refuses to go to Charleston for a reunion instead of flying everyone to NYC. He goes on location for almost all of the other reunion shows as far as I know.
Have a question for you TT,
Do you think Kathryn might have postpartum depression?
Which added with an addiction can get real ugly…
You can’t really diagnosis postpartum depression through the TV. Or anything else for that matter. However she seemed pretty happy after the birth of both kids.
I think she has a broken heart.
Very true. Thank you for your reply!
On this episode I was feeling bad for Katherine until Jennifer shone a light on her and exposed Katherine’s true narcissistic self.
Jennifer seems to speak from her heart not her ego.
How can you not have empathy for Jennifer and her child? Katherine is a horrible person. I didn’t want to believe it. But she shows us every time
Yes all the red was too much and even in her desire to look fetching still this spolied dove of her making has a beauty that still shows. I’m talking to the tv feeding her lines like it’s live it’s heartbreaking to watch all we want is her to take the time to heal and grow this show is not helping too much on her it’s hurting her makes me sad.
Well she chooses to be a part of this show! I don’t get why people worship Kathryn so much? When has she ever shown kindness, grace or class in any situation? When has she ever shown intelligence or wit? Her personality seems to only have 2 aspects: dull as dishwater or psycho rage-aholic! I get why guys would dig her: young, tall, thin, DTF attitude. But why are women putting her up on a pedestal? Someone please ‘splain it to me?
My sympathy for Kathryn is two fold.
First, she is an addict. I have a lot of sympathy for addict/alcoholics that are in the early stages of recovery. After a while, not so much. The early stages of recovery are hard. So I root for her.
Second, I am appalled at the pass Thomas has gotten from these cast members and from fans. By all appearances he participates in as much illegal activities as Kathryn (e.g., marijuana, mushrooms, alcohol), just not the really bad stuff. I believe he used her, manipulated her, and mistreated her. He is old enough to know better. I wanted to throw something at the tv when Cameron complimented him on “stepping up” to care for his children. No one ever patted me on the back because I cared for my own children. I like the latest custody arrangements. It seems very fair given what little we know. BUT, I believe if Kathryn had a couple of million dollars in the bank and a good attorney on retainer, this court case would have ended very differently. Thomas is a sexist, lascivious old man that is not being held to the same rules of conduct as Kathryn.
Hi Jane! I agree completely that Thomas is the devil and I do have empathy for Kathryn’s substance abuse issues. I just think she is not a very likeable person with few of any redeeming qualities. I have never heard her say anything funny, charming or intelligent. On top of that, she is often cold and aloof or downright hasty and cruel (especially to Jen Snowden). I can think of something funny or witty said by every member of the cast, including Whitney, Patricia and Thomas all three of whom I dislike intensely. Not so for Kathryn.
I totally agree with you. Kathryn was not ready to be a mother and she is still not ready to be a mother. TRav is reprehensible but he is the best bet those kids have going forward. The custody agreement will be difficult for an addict to stick to. Time will out.
If she wasn’t ready to be a mom why did she do the wild thing with TRav without contraception???? I thought she purposely did on at least one pregnancy.
NellBell, I don’t think Kathryn owes Jennifer Snowden anything. Just because Jennifer has a disabled child does not mean she gets a pass for everything else that has happened or times she has been less than kind. I am sorry, and it probably sounds hard, but I felt Jennifer staged getting tearful about her baby at their lunch.The earlier borrowed handkerchief issue was pathetic, but Thomas had caused the distrust long ago when he bragged at a dinner party he knew Jennifer well from her having spent a lot of time in his bed. Kathryn clearly sensed there was not a transparent friendship there that she could trust. And she was right. Before long Jennifer obviously felt quite comfortable giving a deposition against Kathryn to the Court in the custody case – even though we had seen her in episodes confronted with and witnessing Thomas in rages and very drunk and abusive – totally out of control and not a role model as a father to toddlers. No doubt Jennifer saw much more than we ever saw in the edited episodes. But she evidently felt comfortable giving evidence against Kathryn and did not against Thomas. Kathryn could never trust Jennifer who clearly made her choice for her own reasons of who she wanted to support – and in doing so got involved in a custody case where she could have simply not clearly remembered damaging information about Kathryn just as she forgot damaging information about Thomas. I can think of a number of times we were shown Kathryn being humorous. And one where she was placed in direct comparison with the others was at the dinner where they “roasted” Thomas. Her speech was humorous and gracious and applauded by the others, you could also see her genuine concern and empathy for Thomas when Craig contributed a rather hurtful speech – comparing Thomas with Ravenel senior – which Craig might have thought was funny, but was very close to the bone.