I really dislike when people on the Internet make a medical diagnosis of people on reality TV. But it’s evident that something is wrong with Ramona. When I was paying my last therapist, I noted a diagnosis on my bill. I can’t remember the exact wording. In the past it was depression and generalized anxiety disorder. But this was something new. The word situational was used. After a lot of reflection and a bit of probing with my therapist I came to learn that the “situation” was menopause. Menopause has made me crazy. Or crazier. So we worked on ways to minimize impact and develop coping skills. Menopause is not for pussies. So I am not going to judge Sonja, but I am going to point out that her memory, grasp on reality and behaviors are not within societal norms. I also recognize the coping tool of enormous amounts of wine. Been there. Still do that. Working on it.
Menopause is hard enough but going through a public divorce after twenty-five years of marriage while THE CRAZY is happening gives some perspective to Ramona’s poor coping skills. It doesn’t excuse the behavior, but it does provide a framework for comprehending it. So let me take my purple pen in hand with as much compassion as I can muster from the place of my own struggles with THE CRAZY.
From Ramona’s blog:
Sometimes it takes an overwhelming breakdown to have an undeniable breakthrough. That is exactly what happened to me in this week’s episode.
While watching myself back and thinking about all that happened that night at Dorinda’s, I truly know that however I behaved—or as I say reacted—to Bethenny was truly a burst of so many things I have wanted to say. I was so frustrated at the way things were going.
So right out of the gate, Ramona sticks to her “she started it” lie.
She didn’t even give me an opportunity to explain why I said what I said that night at dinner in the Hamptons. That is so frustrating. So manipulative.
I presume she is talking about associating Bethenny’s child with an R rated B movie Bethenny made a million years ago. It was an inexcusable attack on Bethenny made on camera. Bethenny attempts to be friends or friendly acquaintances with Ramona during the off season. Bethenny pointed out that Ramona could have spoken to her about her “worries about Bryn” when the story broke and filming was on hiatus. She chose to do it on TV. There is no “why” that changes that fact.
Bethenny really knew that she was going to push my buttons enough for me to react the way I did. What I am most sorry about now is that I let it happen. I should have just been as cold and indifferent the way she was.
Revisionist history! Bethenny told Ramona she was not a good friend to her. Ramona seemed stupefied by the comment so Bethenny listed several really bad things that Ramona had done to Bethenny. She was presenting her case regarding why she feels that Ramona was not a good friend to her.
I did think I had a friendship with Bethenny. It may not have been the perfect friendship, but it was a friendship. I think I missed the signals for sure that she really didn’t care enough ever to be my friend, except when she needed me or needed something from me. She never really cared about us. It’s never one-sided, that is for sure, but certainly not jealously. I have no reason to be jealous of her.
Bethenny has accepted a million apologies from Ramona only for Ramona to continue to do things to malign her. For whatever reason, Bethenny has always had a soft spot Ramona and Sonja.
Then when I watched how she talked about me during her interviews! Wow, yes wow, like really! How mean can she get? She really is a bully. I do not think she realizes what she says to others, nor do I think she really cares. That’s not about being BReal or BStrong. I call it BBully.
You can’t always play the victim while being the bully.
See? This is the opposite of what occurred. This happens with the crazy. I’ve gone off on someone who didn’t deserve much like Ramona did. I was frustrated. I had a faulty perception of the situation. I was angry well beyond a level proportionate to the situation. But THE CRAZY, at least for me, waxes and wanes. There are intermittent periods of sanity that seem to be increasing as I come out the other side. During the periods of sanity I realize I fucked up. I feel guilt. I attempt reconciliation. I accept responsibility. It appears that at no time in the last six months did Ramona feel any guilt for her treatment of Bethenny and even now claims to be the victim. I would be mortified if my irrational meltdowns were recorded and played out on national television. It’s bad enough when I memorialize them on Twitter. 🙂 Does Ramona have no shame or remorse about her behavior at all? That must be nice. I suppose.
In closing, just to clarify something, I did not leave my guest room at Dorinda’s a mess. I actually packed for Sonja (as you saw). I did make the bed!
As far as the paint coming off in the corners of the room, that happened because when I went to go to sleep that night everyone was already asleep. My room was lit up like a football stadium at a night game, because the lights from filming were all still up. I know that in the past the crew uses double-sided tape to put them up, so I just pulled them down. I guess I was stronger than I thought! Therefore, yes, the paint came off the wall. A little freshening up with a new coat of paint never hurt a room!
Wow. Dorinda really should sue Ramona for the damage to her house. And never speak to her again. Ramona may have THE CRAZY. It may not be something Ramona has a lot of control over. But that doesn’t mean Dorinda or Bethenny have to subject themselves to it. The both have enough of their own crazy without borrowing any of Ramona’s.
So she’s not sorry for her cruelty to Bethenny. She’s not sorry for destroying Dorinda’s house. Perhaps deep down under all the crazy she is a narcissistic bitch at heart. Even Bethenny eventually apologized to Luann for her horrendous attack on her last season in the Berkshires.
I don’t know. But doesn’t Ramona’s 60 years of age make her post-menopausal? So I am not sure if she has the menopause excuse. I was wondering if she was on some meds that she was having an averse reaction to. She is the oldest of the group and I do not think that she likes where she is at right now.
Bwahahaha! I should introduce you to some ladies in my family, way past Ramona’s age. The Crazy Doth Linger.
This is true it can linger, return, come later. It’s happened many times.
Ramona made a point a few seasons ago to say she was still having her period; I believe she was over 55 at the time. It’s possible.
Another possibility is that if she was on HRT and has since gone off, THE CRAZY could have come back in full force.
Or it could just be a long and drawn-out, up-and-down version of THE CRAZY, which as you’ve said, definitely happens. God bless us, every one. 🙂
Cara clearly doesn’t have THE CRAZY because she can still remember stuff. I do remember Ramona and the pregnancy test and her claims she still had her period. I didn’t really believe it, but I suppose it is possible. Even so, after you are officially out of the woods, ie Menopausal you are supposedly through the worst of it. So I hear. No one really seems to know. I do not understand why no one wants to discuss THE CRAZY and just leaves other women to be surprised and confused.
That said, I sort of apologize for the constant discussion about it here. It does seem to be in poor taste.
Just as a point of reference. I am 56 1/2 years old. I my cycle is still the same as it was when I was in my 30’s. My biological mother passed away at 58 years old and her cycle never waivered. Its not the norm, but it’s not that unusual either.
Yeah, menopause should be in the rear view mirror. Why not blame Aderrall?
Agree that this could be another possibility, not that, as TT says, we’re here to diagnose and I certainly don’t mean to. Aderall could have been her friend for a while and then turned on her because of hormonal changes. Hormones are a nasty thing sometimes.
I try to go out of my way to not diagnose, particularly in psychological assumptions, other than to say someone needs help.
And Ramona needs help. Those reactions the other night were so far over the top as to be absurd -and that was not menopause causing her to scream and go over the moon about receiving a chocolate santa , for goodness sake. She was on something. We can speculate all day about the combination of things that led to her responses on camera at Dorinda’s, but my guess is it is a combination that included a medication, perhaps meant to deal with depression, that succeeded a bit too much.
Ramona’s judgment about handling social situations has always been off, but she has generally had a good heart meant well, and has not been deliberately hurtful. The Ramona we have seen this season, and much of last, was quite different-less well intended ,less kind , less aware of what was going on around her , and much more bitter, hostile , and
deliberately unkind and thoughtless.
She is back in a world where she thinks she has to compete for men, she is lonelier,less secure, and seems to be scratching for a moment of what she crazes most-and less in touch with those in the world around her. I hope she gets some help and finds some peace again-because she is clearly one bitterly unhappy lady, who is lashing out ,while a doc tries to help by giving her med(s?) that are not helping.
Ummm – no, 60 is not too old.
I agree. I think she’s past that at 60. I do agree with tamara’s first diagnosis of depression and anxiety and it’s possible the meds she might be on aren’t helping or shouldn’t be mixed with alcohol . I actually felt sorry for Ramona during the episode. Between her public divorce and Avery leaving for college – it’s a lot to take . She’s really alone . I think the “dating” and going out is an act and she’s trying to convince herself of this great new life she has as a single woman . It’s sad .
Doesn’t work for me. If lights were there for production.. production should have turned them off or taken them down… something here makes no sense.. Ramona had a few too many pinots. Maybe She had the Crazy… but still think she was weigh beyond that by 60.
Hate when spell checker off.
Perhaps the botox or whatever the hell she did to herself is amplifying her already over the top selfish, narcissistic, spoiled, self-centered behavior.
Maybe it isn’t typical, but some women go through menopause later than 40 ish. My mother didn’t hit full blown menopause until 50, but she did begin to experience symptoms a few years before.
I’m 53 and it just started in the last six months. Lucky me!!
Ramona has always been a whackadoo who justifies her bad behavior. I remember the Heather Berkshire drama. Ripping lights off the wall is a whole new level of anger. I would have to stay away from her lest I choke the daylights out of her.
That’s right I forgot about that. Remember when she flung that glass at ? was it Kelly? I can’t remember if that is the right person But in the canoe. She does have a nasty tempber when she is not feeling someone.
It was Kristen. I’m sure you’re not the only one who forgets her LOL!
She threw the glass at Kristen. What was really weird about that whole thing was that everyone focused on Ramona throwing a glass at Kristen. I was more appalled by the fact that Ramona picked up the paddle and tried to hit Kristen over the head with it and just barely missed her. I am still horrified that the paddle wasn’t talked about more, because if she had connected Kristen could have had a serious head injury and since she was in the water, there was also the possibility of her drowning after being hit.
Yes, you are right! I remember that too and thinking OMW. She is going to get in trouble for that. But she of course did not. Yeah, she has issues and has for some time.
But Kristen got Ramona’s hair wet!
Although the glass incident was indeed Kristen, Ramona stole the “breakdown as breakthrough” line directly from Kelly (re: Scary Island).
I literally just rewatched the episode where Ramona threw the glass at Kristen. I was horrified at her behavior. I would’ve been beyond livid if I were Kristen… To the point of possibly suing or pressing charges (didn’t Jenelle from Teen Mom go to court because she threw a glass). Ramona is a sad, pathetic, VERY angry person.
It doesn’t matter what is behind The Crazy, she doesn’t take responsibility for her part in anything, its always someone else’s fault and thats just not true. And her story about the lighting makes no sense, once again its someone else’s fault AND so what because every room can use a lil refresh. That sort of attitude is what really pisses me off…who is she to decide if someone else’s house needs a little refresh? No accountability for anything!
Great purple penning!!
OH please. She saw menopause exit 10 years ago. She’s crazy because she looks in the mirror and sees the hideous , aging harridan that is her. She is not very bright and all the Botox in the world doesn’t change the fact that old age is Creeping up rapidly.
I couldn’t decide, when the “fight” started, who to root for. I dislike them both at times. However, clearly as time went on it was evident that Ramona was off the rails. I actually remember a moment when something she said last week came back to me, something about the temperature in the house and how women of a certain age (blah blah). I thought it was strange. because she is a woman of a certain age. I know menopause can rear it’s ugly head again in some women. So, it could be that. She just turned 60, divorced, it’s eye opening, LuAnn getting married in a whirlwind romance, Avery starting her own life. It was bad enough when they were in the living room but when she pursued B as she was leaving and couldn’t understand how her secret power as the APOLOGIZER wasn’t working again that was just too much. She is really in crisis of some kind.
I was stuck by the whole temperature thing as well. Wasn’t it Ramona who had an AC unit delivered to Heather’s home because she couldn’t handle the heat? I remember her often complaining about the heat and I thought that was menopause. No, all of a sudden, it’s too cold at Dorinda. As my mother would say, put on a sweater! It’s just rude to enter someone else’s home and start demanding changes in that manner.
I love to hate Ramona. She never fails to live down to my expectations. She is one of the most self-involved people I’ve ever seen. Bethenny handled it just right, cold and unemotional. Ramona’s damage to Dorinda’s house has been on going. She has no respect for anyone else’s things or home. Dorinda’s home is lovely and if it were me, I’d never let Ramona in the door again. I still don’t see Carole’s attraction to her boyfriend.
He doesn’t seem that good looking, but he is just as skinny as she, so maybe they clack together harmoniously. I thought Sonja stopped drinking? She sure treats her house guest like dirt. If I were Tinsley I’d move .like right now. Where does her money come from? Where does Sonja’s money come from?
Where does Dorinda’s money come from, or Carole? Are they all independently wealthy? Does Luanne’s fellow have a lot of money? He’d have to, he certainly isn’t attractive, but then Dorinda’s John is not someone I’d look at twice. These girls really bring out the snark in me.
Loving your commentary. Sonja, Dorinda and Carole came from middle class upbringings in upstate NY and Tinsley’s family were wealthy from a drapery business. Most of their money is from exes.
No slam on you at ALL because it does get weird considering they are both dating guys long term, but does one call a dead husband an “ex”? Sonja is an ex, and definitely got hers from alimony (at least in part). I have the strong impression that both Dorinda and Carole would still be married. I often wonder if they are with John and Adam because they are so different from Richard and Anthony.
I think Dorinda did actually run some high end business, and Carole does support herself through writing, and of course, both earn a salary being on the show.
Dorinda set up a company called DCL Cashmere in 1995 when she lived in London with Hannah’s father.
I think it was successful for a very short time (months not years), and then something caused her to shut the business down. The old company reports floating around the internet (these things are public in the UK if you know where to look and how to read a balance sheet) suggest the business was insolvent, but she has told a different story in interviews about “selling” the business because she was divorcing her husband, and wanting to take Hannah back to NYC to be close to her family. That might be true (the liabilities on her balance sheet could have been tax efficiency, creative accountancy, any number of things), but who knows? London was in a slow recovery from recession at the time, so it probably wasn’t a smart time to set up a luxury goods retailer in a city with such expensive retail rents tbh!
When she went back to NYC, she worked as a realtor at the same agency her ex-husband’s new wife works at for a little while (I guess it was a friendly split), and then she met her second husband Richard when she sold him a house – all very incestuous!
Dorinda’s backstory is one of the more interesting of all the Housewives, actually. She should write an autobiography while she’s still on the show and cash in.
Dorinda had two husbands. Hannah’s father who her mother divorced, and “Richard”, who was Hannah’s stepfather who died and they recently showed a graveside memorial tribute that Carole, Hannah, etc. participated in.
I agree about the way she treats Dorinda’s home. It really annoyed me last year how her dog shat on Dorinda’s beautiful rug and Ramona didn’t bat an eyelid and left Dorinda to clear it up. I don’t think she apologised either.
I’m glad you brought this up and into the light TT. And I’m going to hope that your post initiates that some folks get educated about what menopause is, how long it lasts, what symptoms are and then be OPEN about that with other women in their lives. Because it is a-fucking-stonishing the lack of awareness about what can and does happen. I have a dear friend who is 52, has had WICKED hot flashes for 12 years already. And another woman who is 73 who still has symptoms. For people to say that 60 means you are past it means you’ve never spoken in depth with a woman over 60. Sweet cheese and crackers.
Well, my research on the topic was done on Google because my mother is dead and my sister who is 16 years or so older really doesn’t admit to having had any symptoms. I was years into perimenopause before I realized why I had so much of THE CRAZY. But menopause is when your period has ceased for a full year. That happens sometime between 48 and 55 on average. So I agree with the commenters who say that Ramona should be out of the woods. I had forgotten about the fact that she is 60.
I have been lead to believe that once you reach menopause things ease up. So don’t be talking to me about no 73 year old woman who still has symptoms, dammit!
TT, I don’t know how you managed to sharpen your purple pen, but you did. Your observations are excellent and so is your equanimity. So even if you don’t feel like you’ve kicked THE CRAZY’s arse, perhaps that light at the end of the tunnel is coming into view!
It really varies. I went through it at 52 with a few hot flushes, then all done. I have at least two friends that breezed through it as well. My mum, however, sweated dreadfully each night for ages, and my sister seems to be taking after her in that respect. My dear departed auntie couldn’t even bear a light bedsheet on her feet, they were so hot all the time.
I am finding that other problems start once you’ve gone through it, however, i.e. painful sex, loss of libido, and to top it all, pee incontinence. I have suffered headaches and migraine on a daily basis since puberty, and was sure they would at least improve after menopause, but they haven’t at all. Getting old sure is depressing.
Oh, and did I mention peach fuzz on your face and whiskers on your chin? I have spent a small fortune on electrolysis.
I just lose my mind over generalities, which is what I was responding to earlier. Like you, any women who could talk to me about their symptoms all pretend that it really isn’t happening or they’ve died. I just want to put it out there that it ain’t over ’til it’s over and we should be openly educating each other. Not scaring the bejeebers out of each other!
And for the record my 73 yo friend, (my former boss married a woman 12 years older than him, it was quite the scandal), her continuing symptoms are a hot flash, once every few months. Everyone’s experience is different, right?
Omg this better ease up I won’t make it if this crap lasts for years! I’m 48 and almost 2 years in. I try to have a sense of humor about it, but it sucks serious balls. I love your line, menopause isn’t for pussies lol so very true.
Could Ramona being taking medication also, and then mixing it with alcohol to have such a heightened emotional reaction to everything? She seems VERY hyper almost maniacal at times.
Well, the little blurbs that describe the episode included something along the lines of “Ramona exhibits odd behavior” or …I forget the exact wording but it was hinting at her being on something in my opinion.
HOWEVER if she was on something, she’s STILL on it based on this blog.
I actually like Ramona but she does seem alot more “off” this season. And I know this has been said before but she thinks she can say whatever she wants and as long as she apologizes for it than all should be forgiven. Ramona’s relationship with Bethenny just reminds me of the whole Mean Girls movie. Ramona’s jealous of Bettheny to some degree and as much as she envies her she kind of despises her but also wants to be her friend. Just to show older girls are mean girls just the same.
Not that ALL older girls are mean girls, but that its still possible to find ourselves in these friendship dynamics even when we’re older. (Is how I meant to word my last comment)
A younger friend of mine is getting together for a ladies’ weekend with a bunch of us older hens. She suggested a “makeup free” weekend and we told her to feel “free” to do that. Ha!
Wow, she is certainly jealous of Bethenny. How weird was it that she had researched B”s childhood, knew when she go a car, and what kind it was, what schools she went to, when she worked, what clubs she was in at school– that was scary, not helpful. She was choosing to hurt her with that crazy initial discussion about the film B was in ,and its impact on Brynn, to this seeming fascination wit her childhood. She knew how many cases of wine brands she had sold and what B’s firm had done, comparitively.
Long ago she had talked t Avery about being an independent woman who could support herself, which washer intention after her mother was forced to, to divorce, or had a problem because of one. She had been motivated to make money independently- . but had never noticed his wandering eye and lust, apparently.
Ramona has always had the maturity and judgment of a four year old, and no discretion, no kindness, but she didn’t deliberately hurt people. It did happen due to her actions- but mostly because she was utterly thoughtless and self-centered. Now she is unkind, ruthless and so threatened that she is motivated to hurt those who threaten her. In Bethenny, she is threatened by success and her success.
I fully agree the menopause could be contributing in a big way, but man, she has always completely lacked self-awareness and had an overabundance of self-absorption lol What’s scary is that she actually believes her twisted and warped recollection of events, she’s not lying, she’s just delusional. I have never really been able to stomach her or her energy, now it’s just getting worse. It’s amazing to me her daughter is as grounded as she is having lived with this lunatic for her whole life lol
Maybe Mario had something to do with it?
That’s what I tend to think is maybe the divorce has a lot to do with it. I’ve been watching this show consistently from episode 1 of Season 1 and Ramona’s lack of tact, sensitivity and simple manners is the main reason I’ve never really liked her so it’s hard for me to give her any sort of pass now because I feel she’s always been horrible it’s just amplifying with age. That said, I want to sensitive to women that are at that stage of life as one day I’ll arrive there myself but hopefully not as a mean witch.
Probably, a credit to him, then! lol
Yes she should feel bad about dorinda but nothing she said to Bethany was anything worse then the stuff that Bethany vomits out on every episode. And I think Ramona is just as vile as Bethany just don’t have ANY sympathy for either of them.
I haven’t watched RHONY yet, but I so needed this post. My Mom reminds me of Ramona and is currently going though the crazy. I need to learn more patience with her, but it’s really tough. We have always been super close but our relationship is so strained right now..she’s being mean and drinking too much and I have a super stressful job plus I have my own anxiety issues. I hope this doesn’t last forever.
JustJenn it lasts for YEARS. But do your best to be kind and take some hits anyway. I regret not being nicer to my mother know that I know what was wrong with her. The thought never crossed my mind and she would have never mentioned a word about it. I think of her every time I am furious I can’t open something or see something or hear well or feel randomly sad or fearful for no fucking reason. I could have just opened the jar for her, bought her better readers, given her prickly butt a hug. It makes me sad for her. That is about the time she was threatening to divorce Daddy after nearly 40 years of marriage. She didn’t of course but she did go stay with her mother for a while. I was in highschool and Dad just let me do whatever I wanted so I got into all sorts of trouble! Nothing made sense then but I was in my teenage years and completely in my one world.
I think sometimes the older generations maybe didn’t know what was going on with them. I doubt their Mom’s talked to them about it. Plus, it can vary so much from person to person. The length, the kind of crazy, etc. I too, wish that I had understood and been more compassionate with my Mom. It’s not fun. I bet that alcohol can make it worse in some cases. I mean she really has had a lot of major changes in her life as of late and we know the crazy takes on a life of it’s own and manifests itself in all kinds of crazy ways. Paranoia, sleeplessness, irrational thoughts, fear, cravings, up and down moods swings big time, just to name a few. All those things added together can cause a big storm. Plus it’s an everyday reminder that time is slipping away….and because you aren’t always rational you can’t uplift yourself out of that as easily as you used to. Plus I do think she is not truly over her divorce.
Thanks, TT. I will try to follow your advice..as hard as it may be. You were so young when your Mom went though it..it was hard to know what was going on. At least I’m old enough to drink to ease the pain 😉
I am finally recovered from menopause. It took, In total, including perimenopause, 10 years. According to my doctor, that was normal. I am 65 years old, and I finally feel normal physically, MENTALLY, AND EMOTIONALLY, (the last two were the Worse! ) I do think menopause is the culprit in Ramona’s case, but coupled with her personality, her divorce, and I feel, her low self esteem, Ramona is a complete wreck, and needs a Timeout from the cameras. I think she needs a year of privacy to heal, to seek therapy, and to find inner peace. Otherwise, she will continue her downward spiral.
I think Ramona’s problem is alcohol. She is always drinking, more so lately it looks like, and our tolerance for wine goes down post menopause. (I know whereof I speak from experience.). To me, her absurd behavior and always blaming others looks like classic alcoholic narcissism. And if I had ever been filmed that drunk and disorderly and watched it back? Would never touch a drop of Pinot Grinchio ever again. Maybe an extra prescription med in the mix also. I am praying she goes to rehab. Princess behavior wouldn’t be tolerated.
ramona is seriously mixing alcohol and drugs! but she was a good friend and very nuturing to bethenny when she went through her surgery and b just pooh poohed it after saying on the reunion how great ramona was to her. b brings up ramona’s comments on the bridge from years ago ( must have struck a nerve since they have come true) and the dresses again and the bryn story. aside from the most recent bryn story, i feel b was really reaching. especially after the way she ripped luann to shreds last year! she can certainly dish it! again w/ luann she’s crying and telling her how much she cares and then goes back to carol and tears her apart. she is one sick broad who uses carol to get out publicly her divorce/custody/lawsuit battles with her ex.
She’s pretty consistent in the attitude through all the seasons she’s been on the show I think she’s mentally not matured and acts very childlike and her behaviour and her perceptions there is something there mentally, she stopped aging at around 12 or 13
Some synapse isn’t snapping in her brain. I think age and loss have exacerbated existing problems for Ramona. Maybe the girl just needs a long nap.
Menopause for me was worse in per-imenopause. But I couldn’t figure if he CRAZY came from peri-menopause or peri-menopaused-induced sleep deprivation. Probably a bad combo. Ruined a lot of things for 10 long years, BUT there’s plenty of good stuff that comes with the recognition that you are no longer “fertile.” It can be quite liberating.
At 60, umm shouldn’t menopause be long gone? She acts like she is on something. The ups, the downs, the yelling, crying, playing the victim and believing she can vomit insults without any consequences. This seems like it is all reminiscence of Kathryn Dennis. Hmmmmm OR like you said, she just could be a narcissistic bitch at heart. Either way, what adult wants to be around someone like that?
Not necessarily. Some women enter true menopause later in life. I think the average range is 45 to 55, so 5 years away from the average isn’t bad.
I sometimes think though that we blame menopause and peri-menopause (sp?) when it is something else. Because we think it is that – we don’t check things out.
In my teens and 20s, my cycle was short – 21 to 23 days or so. But my actual period only lasted 2 or 3 days, with about 1.5 of those days being EXTREMELY heavy. A few embarrassing moments in high school and college aside, everything was ok. But by my mid 30s, my cycle was longer, and the period itself would be more days but not as heavy. More like what my friends experienced, so I chalked it up to age and being completely normal. I think the dr. only ever asked me if there was anything unusual going on, or if my cycle was regular. It was, and I didn’t think it was unusual.
BUT, when I got diagnosed as hypothyroid and finally got the right dosage…. WHAM!!!! I am back on 23 to 25 day cycles and extremely heavy, but short, periods again!
Ramona has been borderline SOMETHING since the show started. Not sure, not a doctor. – but she sure has fuck doesn’t seem to understand anyone else’s POV, or how wickedly painful her comments are even if they are the “truth”. Her tics and “tells” were really bad during that rant. I’m stunned how B kept her shit together.
All in all – I really do think Bethenny was projecting and wanting to give Lu the “out” she wishes someone had given her. Completely wrong approach, but B isn’t nuanced. (Seriously, none of them are except maybe Carole and Dorinda).
Ramona in a room of eligible men is a total clit blocker. She’s out for revenge with Tom.
Keep The Crazy discussion going, TT. It makes me feel not so alone in that department. Because of The Crazy half the hair on my head fell out yet grows wildly where I don’t want it to. I swear I could grow a beard in three days. Yep, there is HRT and other treatments but it just delays the inevitable. I thought Ramona would have been on the other side of The Crazy by now too.
I go back and forth wondering why Ramona’s eyes bug out the way they do. At first I thought she might have a thyroid issue but I’ve noticed it also seems like a symptom of taking Adderral. And it seems if she really needed the Adderral it would calm her down, not speed her up. Or it is menopause. Just guessing.
I hit menopause crazy at 29! I had a partial hysterectomy and my ovaries shutdown! That shit is NUTZ! I didn’t know how people who were in their 50’s did it. Then when I turned 45 about 2 years ago, wham a second round. Doc told me it’s because my pituatary gland had to go through it, it hadn’t when I hit it at 29. So here I am, almost 47, doing this hot flashes, crazy head crap all over again! This is never something a person should have to go through twice.
As far as Ramona & Bethenny. Ramona has been a mean, old crow for years now and it’s just getting worse. I didn’t understand the whole tit-for-tat crap on who was a bad friend. If Bethenny was never a good friend then walk away and live your happy life Ramona.
That is crazy jdeangelo8894 — it boggles the mind. Never heard that about the pituitary, very interesting. I picked up this book once and it had some good tips that helped a friend of mine. Of all things it was co-written by Norma Kamali, that fashion icon? And a Chinese medicine Dr who oversees this fascinating treatment center for cancer in the hospital in Philly where my dad was seen.
Anyway, it had some simple tips on pressure points and a few herbs that really helped my friend thru her hot flashes and was an easy read. A flow chart of symptoms to lead you to think about basic adjustments to help. (Facing East, Norma Kamali)
Sending you cooling thoughts 🙂
Oh, god. The Crazy. I have four older sisters and I still don’t know shit. I’m in my mid-40s with no health insurance and now I wish I’d just talked to my doctor more, when I had her. All I know is that my mother and oldest sister went through full menopause very, very late and that is depressing as hell. I’ve woken up the last 2 nights sweating my ass off and I cussed an acquaintance yesterday over a loaf of bread. My man just looks at me and says, there goes another Christmas party invitation. Shit.
God help us, every one.
Got a Planned Parenthood nearby? Bet they could check things out at a reasonable cost.
Ramona presents symptoms of an enlarged ego.A very serious quality of life condition. Recommend excision impossible to debri the wound. Soaking in Pinot is an ineffectual cure. Call poison control before it kills the viable tissue that remains in her heart.
Ramona is mixing booze and drugs most likely prescription drugs. I’ve been there. It’s not pretty. I am convinced this is what’s going on.
What I find INFURIATING is if this was a men’s issue, there would have been a cure in the 1800s.
There was. Laudamun to cure women’s hysteria.
Ramona’s talking head comments are just plan mean. I don’t remember which one it was but it made me say out loud “what a bitch”. I don’t use the b word lightly because to me it is a fighting word. She probably does have the crazy but she also has the hateful. I hope she gets demoted to the friend status. Maybe after being a friend she can cool her jets. But then again Andy likes it when someone is irrational and hateful with a side of delusional. I would not speak to her again if I were Bethanny, Carole, LuAnn or Dorinda.
I used to think that it was whatever she is on that made her mean. But then y’all reminded me of all the mean things she’s done in the past, so.. I think she’s just a bitch.