Bethenny Frankel herself admits that she can’t seem to go to The Berkshires without losing her mind. I was appalled at the way she went off on Luann last year. That was just straight up slut shaming because she was in a shitty place. Tonight we are supposed to believe that Bethenny suddenly has Luann’s best interest at heart because she doesn’t want her to have a bad divorce? Nope. Tonight is when she will come for Ramona. Just like when she came for Sonja last year, this one is deserved. Ramona took a shot at the bitch and missed. She totally deserves what is coming to her.
We are back with Luann and Dorinda talking about how the other girls all claim Tom is still cheating. Luann doesn’t care. She says Ramona was calling Tom’s friends in California, waking them up to dig for dirt. I do believe that, but the whole waking them up thing doesn’t make much since from an east coast to west coast call. Unless, Ramona was up really late and deep in the Pinot Grigio. The bitches all start filing in and Ramona starts being a cunt right away. Luann needs to just tell all of these bitches to shut the fuck up. Ramona says that she was the last to know about Mario and then has a drunken breakdown. Ramona had plenty of tip offs about Mario she chose to ignore. Sonja sidles up to Luann even though she is not happy with the wedding.
Ramona talking heads are like Ramona doing Amy Phillips doing Ramona.
Bethenny continues to trash Luann to all the girls behind her back, as a caring friend does. Tinsley says that it took a mugshot to get her to leave her ex. Only Sonja of all people says she’s staying out of it, even though she has concerns. How did Sonja get to ride the high horse? Carole and Bethenny chatter about Luann extensively on the floor of their little hideaway. As concerned friends do they talk about how horrible Tom is on national TV and ponder how he gets so many women. Bethenny makes numerous comments about Tom’s penis.
Ramona and Sonja are both in the bag already. Ramona thinks that since Bethenny hasn’t screamed at her to get off her jock then things are back to normal with them. Sonja and I both know better. Ramona’s relationship skills are worse than mine, and that is saying A LOT. Ramona seems to realize that you don’t disparage your friends business or bring their child into argument. She’s going to find a well to tell Bethenny she gets it now. This is a really stupid idea I could see myself having, especially after the number of drinks Ramona has had. I almost believe that Ramona didn’t know bringing up Brynn was a bad idea. ALMOST.
Bethenny is climbing the walls, literally, until she finds Dorinda’s stash of tequila. She and Tinsley talk about the horrors of living with Sonja. Tinsley is very polite about not pointing out all the nastiness of the house itself, brown water, no heat, sleeping with old dirty stuffed animals, etc, and just sticks to Sonja treating her like crap. When they join Carole in another room of Dorinda’s house they have not yet demolished. Carole starts a fire in the fireplace using some of Dorinda’s doorstops as kindling, as friends do. Luann joins the group and Bethenny gives her a sincere apology for her ranting toward her last year. Then Dorinda arrives to point out that the fireplace Carole is using is not in fact a working fireplace. She shoos them into another room and tries to keep them from actually burning down her house. Seriously, even at my sister’s house I would never take it upon myself to start a fire in someone’s fireplace without checking with the owner first. Dorinda has to douse the fire and open all the doors to let the smoke out. In December.
Bethenny, Carole, Luann and Tinsley are chatting in the less smokey part of the house and the tequila has hit Bethenny and she starts to make things all about her. Nobody knows the trouble she’s seen. She went with her heart and her gut (even though she said earlier and we all saw her not wanting to go through with her marriage) and got married and it’s been a life of hell and pure torture. Poor Bethenny. Luann is trying to be nice to Bethenny. Bethenny is carrying on about how sure she’s rich and has a great kid but her life is pure hell. At this point, Sonja and Ramona come bouncing in oblivious to where they are in the script. They plonk down and Dorinda gets a chance to get a few words out at her own party about how much she loves John and that she learned a lot from her exes. With the spotlight off of Bethenny for ten seconds she storms out to start her next scene.
Bethenny does the tequila cry alone with her own cameraman. This is why I do not drink tequila. Tequila is bad. Luann goes to look for her. Luann is super nice to her and apologizes for upsetting her. Luann says she thought things were done and she has a great guy in Dennis. (Spoiler alert, they broke up.) Probably over all the drama with Jason. So then super drunk Bethenny (and I believe this is real, don’t ask me how I know this) ONCE AGAIN tells Lu that she thinks she is making a big mistake. All of these bitches are projecting their shitty marriages on to Lu. WHY?
Bethenny is not allowed to talk about what Jason does to her on camera, so Carole is doing that in the next room over while ignoring her crying drunk friend. He’s sends a million emails to her and copies Dennis on the emails. He tells her she is a bad mother. He calls her Bernadette, who is her sorry ass excuse for a mother. He is constantly harassing her. Eventually Lu, bless her heart, hugs it out with Bethenny, whose crying jag seems to have ended. Bethenny is nice to Luann.
Then Bethenny and Carole are back up in their room and Bethenny is complaining about Luann being happy because she is getting married in two weeks. Bethenny says Lu is such a Hallmark card. She doesn’t remember what she said because she literally blacks out “in this house.” It’s not her. Or the gallon of tequila she drank that makes her act so crazy, it’s the house that they almost burnt down an hour ago. The very lovely house that they are guests in make them behave badly. They just can’t help themselves. Bethenny is such a pro that on the way downstairs, she still remembers the next script and pauses to prep it. She tells Carole that Ramona is going to come up to her and tell her she had no idea how bad it was and then proceed to make it all about her.
Meanwhile downstairs, Dorinda’s housekeeper has finished roasting the chickens so she can pull them out. Dorinda says she loves to keep the cranberry sauce so that it looks like the can. OMG! ME TOO! My sister will sometimes make real cranberry sauce but me and her youngest daughter insist on the canned kind. There is no cranberry sauce you can make to compete with Ocean Spray canned cranberry sauce. Who needs real cranberries when you can have that sliced straight from the can stuff? It’s perfection. Dorinda also has the blue willow serving platter. This is also required. I have tons of blue will that I need to sell. I totally need to have a big estate sale somewhere and pretend I died because I have way too many things that “will be worth something someday” and I need the money way more than the stuff at this point.
I would be terrified to eat in Dorinda’s dining room. HOLY SHIT! Just as I was typing about how I’d be terrified to get anything on Dorinda’s chairs, fucking Ramona walks in and spills on a chair. I am going to have a panic attack and I didn’t do it and they are not my chairs. I can only imagine how much those chairs cost! Ramona fesses up to Dorinda right away and Dorinda tells her they will worry about it tomorrow. At dinner Carole says she hasn’t eaten chicken in forever because of how they are tortured and abused, as friends do. I would like to let Carole, who is fucking a chef and has no idea how to cook, that there are a lot of very expensive chickens that folks like Dorinda buy that are fed an all natural diet, sung to by Tibetan priests during the day and killing in an exceeding tranquil fashion. Ramona gives a toast to thank the hostess for having them despite the fact that every time she hosts them it’s a real shit show, as friends do.
Everyone is talking about how oddly Ramona is behaving. How can they tell? It is the description blurb for this episode that something ain’t right with Ramona. She seems like Ramona to me. Ramona wins the chocolate Santa raffle and loses her damn mind.
Dorinda’s home is just gorgeous and these ladies are destroying it. Finally they sing happy birthday to Dorinda and bring out her cake. As everyone else is trying to celebrate the hostess’ birthday, Ramona comes creeping up to Bethenny and gets right in her ear to apologize. Bethenny says, ” I appreciate that, thank you,” and sort of leans away. Ramona goes back to the edge of Sonja’s seat.
Luann gives a sweet toast to Dorinda and thanks her for being a bridesmaid. Tinsley says we all are talking about a wedding we are not invited to. Drunken Bethenny hysterically and accurately breaks down the reason each of them are not invited. Tinsley laughs.
With three minutes left in the episode, the Bethenny and Ramona showdown began. It’s 9 pm and some of the saner women are headed off to bed. Bethenny says she wants to clear the air because she senses that Ramona is walking on eggshells and she doesn’t want to make her feel bad. See? This is starting off nice. Bethenny says that Ramona has not been a good friend to her. We’ve all seen the three times Ramona and her crazy eyes say ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
To be continued… Because this night went WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY past 9 p.m. for most of them.
Next week: Bethenny and Ramona have a knock down drag out about who made their money and who fucked for it. Tinsley and Sonja have a blowup that has been weeks in the making. Carole tries to get Tinsley to move into her building, and at long last the Jill Zarin scene at Phillipe I told you about happens.
Seems to me that Lu admitted Tom still fools around and she’s ok with it. She wants the lifestyle. Got it. End of that story. Super weird arrangement to me, but to each their own. Just don’t know how she thinks she can be on a reality show and not have people talk about their deal.
I think what she admitted was that whatever he is or isn’t doing, is between the two of them.
She talked about all the great fun things they are doing after they get married. Nothing to do with the heart of the marriage, only the trips they’ve planned. I think she lives for that stuff, the trips, jetting around, with a man on her arm, pretending to bond. It’s like her first marriage. But, it’s whatever makes her happy, and if she’s willing to turn a blind eye and still get her trips, then who am I to judge? It must be annoying though to have these girls come at her full tilt with all these “things” about Tom. She’s strong, I would be worn down by now.
I really just can’t watch these women beat up on LuAnn any longer.
Ramona was drunkity drunk drunk and it was hilarious!
Ok if Bethenny is jealous of Lu for anything it’s that Lu can let things go and just live her life and tries to be happy. Bethenny is a tortured soul and if Jason is being so horrible why would she bring that up on the show and keep poking that bear?
If Betheny hadn’t have become pregnant, her relationship with Jason wouldn’t have gone nearly as far. They simply had nothing in common.
Betheny is jealous of the fact that Luann is happy despite all her attempts to make Luann miserable last season.
Here, here! Well said. Bethany cannot seem to find peace. Maybe she does need a man.
Where,where! ?
I’d like to know where too ha! I’m not jealous of Dorindas amazing home in the Berkshires or bethhenys millions, or sonjas amazing past party life etc. etc. but I am jealous of Tamara’s wit!
I will gladly exchange it for the low low price of a mid level mid size apartment at 30 Park.:)
Jealous. That’s where where.
Oh, I feel you! “Here, hear” v. “hear, hear!” can be deeply upsetting, but might as well go whole hog, and strike against “reign in” v. “rein in” and all the rest. After reading that stuff even in articles by supposedly professional writers on mass-media websites, I finally gave up and decided to live with the ulcers.
The last thing I think of when it comes to having peace in my life, is bringing a man into it. But hey, that’s me.
I agree with you there ! I am a widow of 6 years now and my parents keep asking me when are you going to meet a man, etc—I tell them I don’t want a man right now ! I had one for 20 years I’m fine for awhile !
In my experience they are more trouble than they’re worth. I don’t have enough energy to deal with me at this point, let alone adding on a relationship.
Me too!!! Been there, done that. Never. Again. Life is far too grand these days!
Bethenny was right commenting about Carole and the chickens at the dinner table. I’ll show you a video later. Pfff
Hey Bethenny, you are stuck with Jason forever through Brynn. Just block him.
LuAnn was nicer than I’d be to those harridans.
Yes. Beth could learn a thing or two about how to handle a divorce gracefully through Lu. Even Ramona handled it better than Beth.
Were their ex’s behaving as badly as Jason? Neither of them had to fight for their businesses or custody of their children. Mario isn’t calling Ramona up and using his “insider information” to poke extremely painful, childhood wounds. The Count isn’t interfering with any of Luann’s new relationships. Fuckballs, I think he was invited to the wedding! It can only be amicable if BOTH PARTIES want it to be.
Absolutely!!!
Jason had a difficult yet short marriage that made him a very wealthy man. Why the heck does he spend so much time torturing Betheny rather than moving on with his life?
I think he’s jealous of her someway. It’s the only thing I can conclude to. I didn’t realize he was so psycho.
Yeah, he always kept saying on the show about how he “didn’t make it” like Bethanny did so he has some complex about that is what I think. He did help her a lot with getting the Skinnygirl bottling going and all that and she was very thankful and said many times that she couldn’t have gotten that part going without his help. I don’t know—maybe he thought they should have been equal partners in it or something and she wasn’t about to let that happen and I don’t blame her. She was the one that came up with the idea and put all the sweat and tears in it before she even met him. I’m sure she paid him handsomely and wishes he could just move on and quit harassing her. People can do some crazy things in a relationship that others that know them never ever thought they would do and I bet Bethanny sees a lot of that side of him.
I remember Bethenny saying that some times people who were once in the spotlight and aren’t now, try destroying the people that still are. I believe it was said in one of her talking head confessionals. It was a reference to Jason and why he is still so nasty to her.
I was totally on board with Bethenny going after Lu last year. The Countess treated Bethenny like the gum on her shoe for the first couple of seasons. Bethenny did not have money, a child or a husband. Then Lu’s perfect from the outside marriage hit the skids. Bethenny hit the big time with her company and can now buy and sell them all. Lu is settling for a poor man’s Harry Dubin with an okay apartment. She would rather settle for Sonjas, and half of the upper East side’s sloppy seconds and look the other way than be alone.
So because Lu had all the things Beth didn’t it entitled Beth going after Lu’s happiness years later? Tom is much more than a poor man’s Harry. Tom is the bachelor no one could contain. Like Clooney only more so since Clooney was actually married before.
Because Lu was such a bitch and always spoke down to her, yes.
Clooney?? Nah..Tom is ugly and gross. I’d be embarrassed if I were Luann to be a fool for that womanizer.
Yep! People seem to have a short memory when it comes to Luann.
Mundo Bizarro. Why do all these women loose their sh#* in the Berkshires? It is as if they cannot function out of NYC. I thought it was so rude that they took it upon themselves to make a fire and that they used Dorinda’s doorstops as kindling. I feel that they are all really jealous of Dorinda’s beautiful home, because there is something very passive about their behavior there.. always attacking, misbehaving, ruining Dorinda’s chair, filling her house with smoke, bemoaning slaughtered poultry while she serves them chicken, or (last year) Ramona letting her dog poop all over. The cake was prophetic. Dorinda always tries to make it nice but these women overturn everything. They really can’t just be nice. And they are all so envious ( but for Dorinda and Tinsley) that Luann is getting married. They don’t give a rat’s ass about Lu’s happiness. They just want to stop her from getting married. I admired Lu’s aplomb in the face of their non-stop onslaught. I wonder why Ramona felt the need to get so drunk?
I think the reason they end up fighting is because of spending so much time together. Shit that they would normally blow off gets awkward and then magnified.
NOBODY is jealous of Luann!! gag
I think you are right about why they act up. And while they may not be jealous of Lu, per se, they really do not seem to like that she is getting married – while they are still single and would like to be married themselves. After all – Lu is now the only “wife” on the housewives of nyc. Also – Lu now has a great storyline, and the rest of them — not so much.
John would marry Dorinda in a hot minute, so she’s not married because she’s chosen not to be. I don’t think bethenny envies anyone being a wife, honestly. She may wish for a happy relationship but I think she could give two shits about marriage, especially after the hell Jason continues to subject her to.
Ramona is burned from mario and she’s convinced, not unjustifiably so, that Tom will continue to cheat. Once a cheater, always a cheater…he was caught once, most women wouldn’t be so quick to believe it won’t happen again.
Yes, to all of this! Yes, yes, yes!!!!
SN: I wanna know some details about Tom (other than hes an alleged cheater), an I the only one who’s interested in seeing what Luann likes about him? We never get to see that smh
Does Carole ever have a storyline? I’ll watch it again to see if she eats the chicken. All I have seen her do was be a mouth piece for Bethanny, date men who writes songs for her etc ……. I read that the George Cloony affair was only in her head. (He doesn’t remember her). I am asking because I havn’t watched RHONY very long but I did read she said she was gifted with a great ass. Marry the asshole Lu, let him have an affair, then divorce him and get alimony. Seems to me that is what will happen next season. Bethanny, I only remember she’s so tiny she wears her daughter’s clothes and Romana is just a sloppy drunk. I do like Dorinda and wish she would stop having these guests in her home. I used to love Sonya but am shocked Lady Morgan lives without heat, hot water, and soon an ex roomate.
First off, I would be drinking too if I was filmed on and off all weekend, but vodka not tequila. **random side note, best Tequila i’ve had is called Rey Sol Anejo, i keep it in my liquor cabinet for those random friends who won’t drink vodka on the rocks with me haha**
I wonder how Ramona would react to her Hamptons home being trashed by a bunch of drunk women like they do to poor Dorinda’s!! I bet not nearly as classy! I used to have solid white upholstered dining chairs, never again. A friend brought a woman he was seeing to dinner one night and she spilled red wine on one, I just said its fine dont worry about it but then she said to me “why would you have white dining chairs anyway!?” i was like “why are you such a messy b*tch who can’t be around nice things!?”. Dorinda’s response was much classier than mine haha
These women are hell bent on destroying LuAnn’s happiness, crazy! Who would say these things to a happy bride to be 2 weeks before her wedding! It’s so funny that a couple season’s ago LuAnn was brought back just as a FOH by Bravo, yet this season and the last 2 seasons have basically been carried by her and her life. Funny when Bravo realizes their mistakes and brought her back Full Time the next season!
Next week sounds wild, I remember your inside story when they were filming this Tamara, hope they show the craziness! Also it will be fun to see Jill!
Come on guys Ramona and her crazy ‘are you kidding me’ was her Robert de Niro moment. I think she watched taxi driver in preparation and got hooked by ‘you talking to me’. Hysterical. I love this franchise the best. Could not stop laughing
Do these women ever acknowledge how gross and inappropriate they are. Who do they think they are. I wish I could shove a giant penis in Bethany’s mouth to shut her the f up! I can’t stand them. Come on. None of us know what the real situation is in any gossip hearsay situation. STFU ALREADY.
Bethany goes on like she is the only woman to go through a divorce. Really, Get-A-Grip. I’m tired of her dam bawling too!
Luann basically admitted knowledge of Tom’s extracurricular activity and that she’s choosing to place her focus on the companionship and lifestyle. I wish she would just say to them and end this entire Tom saga but I can understand her hesitation because of the way they judged the fact her first marriage was an open marriage in the years prior to their divorce. I do like how Luann just shakes it off and keeps it moving.
Ramona is no match Bethenny and I almost feel sorry for how Ramona is about to ripped to shreds!
Ramona deserves every verbal punch she’s about to receive. I want to yell at my TV last night when she FINALLY mentioned Mario because Ramona didn’t allow anyone to mention her failing marriage in the previous 3 seasons and she even blew up at Andy at the Season 6 or 7 Reunion when he asked her about Mario but not she thinks she’s ok to keep throwing Tom’s cheating in Luann’s face on camera?! Lu or somebody really needs to call her out on this and her many other hypocrisies.
I think the real cause of the fight between Bethenny and Ramona may have something to do with last season’s reunion when Sonja dropped the bomb that Ramona was very close to doing the Typsy Girl deal that Sonja was stupid enough to do.
Love how Tinsley stated everyone’s talking about a wedding none of them (except Dorinda) is invited to. Lu’s face as Bethenny stated the reason’s why was priceless and hilarious.
Looking forward to next week’s blow ups between Bethenny and Ramona blow up and Tinsley and Sonja. I’m thinking Tinsley’s versions of events must be the accurate one because Sonja’s not even attempting to defend herself. Sonja hasn’t blogged since about the 2nd episode of this season.
Ok so Luann is in an open relationship. They know she knows it. She knows they know it. They want to make sure we know it. So now we know. My bigger question is the psychology behind it.. Not to criticize I’m just a curious person. why does she need to marry him at this stage in her life? Makes me think it’s for the ‘name’….first delesseps now dagostino.
Bethenny’s delivery is not always correct but I understand her. She truly puts herself out there in the world- good, bad, ugly. There is a certain phoniness to Luann that Bethenny feels the need to call out. I get it. I’m like that too
I don’t get the marriage thing either. Luann is the type of woman that needs a man in her life. I was like that when I was in my 20’s. Thought that I wasn’t complete without a man and kids. Boy was I stupid!
She was as clear as she could be without coming right out and saying it’s an open marriage. I can’t understand how someone would choose that life and then live it on a reality show where your personal business is never private. She has children. What an odd choice to make and example to set for your children. She was pretty clear that she’s in it for the lifestyle.
Maybe her children don’t need to know, much like the busybodies on the show. Or maybe they just want their mother to be happy however she chooses to do so? There are a lot of people who think people should be able to do what makes them happy unless it interferes with the happiness of others.
#@Ithink: My theory with LuAnn is that she needed to find another source of funding for her lifestyle. I remember her searching for apartments right after her divorce and they were even smaller than Dorinda’s apartment and not in the areas that she wanted.
Her kids are young adults now, so the Count is no longer tied to her financially speaking. Their divorce went pretty quickly, so I often wondered if the Count told her to take what he offered, or a lot of laundry would be aired…other than just the Ethiopian Princess.
LuAnn sold her original home in the Hamptons for eight figures. She doesn’t need anyone to fund her life.
Jo, I am sure that has to be split with the Count, plus if there was a mortgage on it, they don’t get the whole amount. My guess is that he had it in a family trust and that she only got a sliver. Granted, a lot more than most women get, but not enough to find an upper East side lifestyle for long. She is low on the pole money wise compared to the rest of the cast with the possible exception of Sonja.
No, she got the house free and clear. It was her settlement from the Count. The WSJ estimated his wealth at around $100 million at the time of their divorce.
Well, if it was online, then it must be true! Bwahhaha!
It was in the Wall Street Journal. And we have discussed how the house was Luann’s. They had KIDS when they were divorcing. She did quite well in the divorce.
The reason these fools act up at Dorinda’s is because they are not in public and can act as ridiculous as they want to.
I really would like to know what went on in the Frankel divorce. I do not believe for one minute that Jason is the only one that has acted badly. Bethenny’ s realness is only in play when it makes her look good. Her tears last year with Luann and this episode were as phoney as the day is long. She doesn’t give a crap about Luann. She’ll say something nice to her face and then makes horrible comments about her behind her back. I thought there was a gag order about this divorce but she sure brings it up a lot. I feel like all this drama is to get back viewers she might have lost last year.
I never want to hear another bad word from Beth regarding Lu and Tom. Honestly I would be hard pressed to think of a woman who rushed more fervently into an ill advised relationship as did Beth. A blind date, to pregnancy, Bravo wedding, and two spinoffs. Beth was in no way prepared for marriage, nor was that certifiable cling on Jason. Jason was on the come up and drove Beth out of her mind. A manipulator and insecure male.
So honey, don’t worry about Lu.
I love how Dorinda served her canned cranberries. Isn’t that the way it’s done? Like the man sleeping closest to the door? Doesn’t everyone know these things? Great pics of Ramona looking unhinged. Can’t wait for next week’s episode.
@Rad: I do not knock the folks that do canned sauce, but I can’t do it. I don’t like the taste. It takes me about 15 minutes to make it with water, sugar and cranberries. I do like the “look” of it from the can. Maybe I should put my homemade into a can to for it to form. ?
Genius!
luAnne has mentioned the fact that while her first marriage was an open marriage she was not that happy about it. It bothered her and eventually ended her relationship. Therefore I can see why the girls are not buying open marriage concept. She really is trying to walk around with her head in the sand like it’s not happening. Making excuses at every attempt to tell her what a scumbag she is marrying. That makes me believe she is not do ok with it. All the girls know about the first marriage so if she was so ok with an open marriage she would say we have an agreement it’s none of your business F off. Whether it’s true concern by the girls I doubt it. But even if they are just Tv friends maybe there is a grain of goodness that doesn’t want them to see her embarrassed and hurt. I really genuinely hope she is happy as a lark in this relationship but I don’t think it will end well.
@ Cheychey You make an excellent point. I was thinking Luann is just accepting an open relationship but your comment reminded me that yes, last season she did say the open part of her last marriage is what ended it for her.
Tinsley seems to be the only one who understands the fact that Luann hears them but is not ready to accept any good advice because she just wants to be married and thinks she can work out the wrinkles later.
I share your hope that the ladies are sincerely trying to save Luann hurt and embarrassment.
Luann has shown herself to be very open sexually on the show. The pirate while she was dating Jacques and right after Sonja was with him. Harry Dubin. She doesn’t seem to mind sharing her man so I’m not sure I believe she wasn’t into an open marriage the first time. And this time too. Look– I really don’t care but I can see the point of other women— being on a reality show and her storyline is buying a white dress and getting married… It’s very cute but i would roll my eyes too.
With that said I really do wish her the best
The anger in all those still shots! These are some bitter, bitter women.
Did anyone catch the discussion between Tom and Luann in the promo for next week? She said something about the women talking about Tom, and he said something like “well, I get a hall pass?”
I wonder what that was about.
I wondered too! I mean if people are giving you shit for cheating on your gf/fiancé, maybe don’t joke about getting a hall pass.
it had to do with whether or not they see each other the night before the wedding. the friends are saying no, that they should be apart and Luanne thinks they should be together. the hall pass remark was in response to them not staying together the night before
yea, extremely insensitive to the fiance you humiliated on national tv by getting caught cheating just a year ago in some bar. She’s either naive or forgiving enough to let it go, and you joke about a hall pass?
No way. Not funny.
Yep, cranberry sauce in the perfect can shape is so great. I never saw Bethenny’s shows. Is there a story regarding the demise of their marriage? I keep hearing like riddles, or “everyone knows” type things said. I’m completely oblivious to or why they divorced. It always seems like a huge secret or something not to be talked about. Is there a reason, like cheating, fell out of love, she’s a bitch more than he knew? It’s really weird when she gets upset or someone comforts her, and I have zero knowledge why and what for.
Well, perhaps I prematurely posted my comment. Seems as if no one knows about reasons regarding the divorce. I think it’s a great way to have no one find out if you were or are a part of the demise. Your story can be your injured, innocent, fault free, and whatever else you want. Brilliantly done, and never accountable.
I don’t think there is any singular reason that someone can point to for Jason and Bethenny’s implosion. They simply weren’t right for each other. They were both very stubborn in how they thought a functional relationship should work. Which is funny because Jason had never been married and Bethenny had one brief marriage under her belt. So you had two very stubborn people who by their own admissions had not been good at long term relationships and with completely different outlooks on how families behave. Add the cameras, a new baby, a huge influx of money, Bethenny trying to have a bi-coastal career, and then a miscarriage, and I honestly don’t know how the marriage lasted as long as it did.
Thanks PaganChick. That brings up more reasons to question why she is acting so devastated? Sounds like it just didn’t work out, common and not like she was blindsided. I’m missing the link between a divorce which seems to make both them happier, but the utter “world is ending” reaction. Did she not want a divorce but he did? I think I need to research this, lol.
I think the devastation is from the divorce itself. There was a HORRIBLY contentious divorce that played out way too publicly. Jason contested the prenup, so there were disputes about that. They had a very young child so there were disputes over custody. There were real estate concerns that had to be mediated. And all of it was in the public eye. What was worse was that the public had taken sides, and they used the reality shows the two had appeared on (RHONY, Bethenny Getting Married, and Bethenny Ever After) as proof that they were right. And, now there are the harassment charges. I think Bethenny is just tired, plus Tequila. I personally only have two modes on Tequila. I am either angry (like, I am going to fight you right now because you looked at me funny) or maudlin (like, I can’t believe my mom said that to me when I was only 11 years old, how could she not realize how much I needed her support and not her condemnation).
As PaganChick explained, the divorce itself was brutal and carried on for years, far longer than the marriage itself. He waged psychological warfare on her, harassed her, and continues to do so still. She just wanted things settled – coparenting their daughter and her apartment back.
As she has revealed, this psycho harasses her by email, copies her bf on the messages, calls her a terrible mother, etc. He’s out of his mind and I believe she has a restraining order against him.
If LuAnne loves Tom because they are similar creatures that could mean anything. Why does she have to own whatever it is that draws them together?
by bethenny stating on nat’l tv how tortured, miserable and how she’ll never be free of her ex Jason (due to the fact they have a child together), she has given him exactly what he wants!! he wants to make her life a horror and he has!!! carol’s main sl on the show is to say what bethenny can’t say about Jason and all the terrible things he does – she fills in the holes. his goal is to torture/torment her! and he has achieved this. its too bad, soon brynn will be watching reruns and googling her parents online – truly sad! also can’t believe how rude for guests to go in another room and light a fire on their own without checking first w/host! poor dorinda. they do seem to trash her beautiful home!
Well now I fully understand how Bethany has no friends. She talks crap about everyone. Talk about being a phony. One minute she is hugging and saying she wants the best for someone then she is upstairs tearing them to shreds. I would consider myself blessed beyond measure if she ignored me. She is awful. Just awful. I saw a glimmer of hope in a couple of episodes but she is just nasty. Carol is no better she doesn’t have a solid thought in her journalistic head. Wow.
Ramona is stuck at the top of the Ramona coaster. There is no one to help her down. She is just cuckoo for coco puffs.
I don’t know what will happen with LuAnn. It is her call. It is her life. I just hope she lives every day to the fullest and in a way where she is content and at peace. Looking at that crew there isn’t one of them qualified to be taking relationship advice from.
I mean Carol knows “the boy” wants kids and she can’t. His parents want his grandkids. Does she think that her wonderful way with parents are going to compensate for no grandchildren? Especially when she is closer to their age then their sons?
Still, I do love my NY girls.
I think the upstairs convos between Carole and Bethenny are some of the most fucking real parts of the show. They all do it though. Carole and B just do it so damn well.
Honestly, if you don’t have a best friend who can talk shit like that with you – even AFTER you’ve resolved the issue, you are missing out! (My BFF’s husband just laughs at us and says at least we are very quick to forgive, and are kind in general… but DAMN, we never forget and chew on a topic like a dog who found a bone he buried a month ago!)
carole explained adam’s parents already have grandkids but of course they’d like some from him too. but honestly, your partner’s PARENTS wanting more grandkids shouldn’t be a factor in your relationship, your partner wanting them, however, should.
Adam is a grown up, he’s aware Carole cannot have kids, if he’s chosen to stay for the time being that is his grown up choice. I think carole is perfectly qualified to give relationship advice, she had a successful marriage and is in a happy/successful committed relationship now. Whether they ultimately split because he wants a family is irrelevant, they seem healthy and happy.
As much as I don’t really like John, I think Dorinda is solid in relationships, too.It seems her marriage was solid and so is her relationship with John.
I love your recaps. You can definitely be woken up by East Coasters when you are on the West Coast. My husbands family used to love to call us between 8-9 am East Coast time which is 5-6 am West Coast time. I politely asked them to call at 10 am or later, unless it’s an emergency, and they obliged. Haven’t been woken up since. Ramona must be an early bird!
Ah DUH! I am a night owl, so I could not understand how that went. I literally do not do mornings. 🙂
If they didn’t oblige, you could always text them or call them around 8 or 9 PM your time! I’ve accidentally done that to my East Coast fam.
I was shocked the women started a fire without asking first. That was just downright nervy. The room was filling up with smoke and they sat there oblivious to it…it didn’t appear Carole even checked the flue…And when Ramona made her mess, I was ready to ask them all to leave.
Bethenny was pissing me off with her attitude about how horrible her existence is, like she’s the only one who has gone through a messy divorce. Obviously all the money in the world can’t buy happiness. But then I got to thinking, while she’s completely over the top with her “poor me” I truly believe she is in a tremendous amount of pain. It’s sad to me she seems to see no hope. I hope one day soon she does.
I wish Luann would just tell Bethenny, Ramona and Sonja to fuck off. Advice from women who are trainwrecks in their own relationships is ridiculous. Why she doesnt just pack up and leave makes no sense.
I feel like she has done that several times both politely and not as politely. They are like a pack of bitches with a bone.
FINALLY caught up thanks to 2 nights of insomnia! (start of this week, DT still hadn’t been elected. I think I was avoiding watching that).
Some thoughts on tonight:
I think Bethenny’s motives were a LOT cleaner than Ramona’s. I think she was projecting WAY too much, but the fact is, SHE WAS RIGHT LAST YEAR. Tom DID have his tongue down another woman’s throat. Luann actually is in the wrong for blaming the messenger back then.
Ramona? She takes some fucked up glee in poking wounds (Bethenny’s) or in the possibility that someone else is getting cheated on like she was (Luann). You know she’s fucking in that headspace and knows she’s wrong when she starts talking with her eyes closed.
Luann – her kumbaya shit was annoying. When someone is expressing pain, or that someone had something terrible happen to them, you don’t start talking about how something good came out of it, or that it isn’t so bad, or that you will get over it. Sometimes you DON’T get over it. Sometimes you just need someone to say “That REALLY sucks” without any “buts” afterward. To imply otherwise is dismissive of someone’s grief and very condescending.
What Luann needed to say (and understand) was this. “Bethenny, I am so sorry that you are in so much pain, that you are going through this. But even with everything going on in your life, I see that you were trying to make sure I didn’t experience the same pain. Thank you. Stop worrying. I will be ok”. Rinse, repeat, and give a hug.
Then ask how the two of you will kick Ramona’s ass. (Because seriously… if Luann and B teamed up, that would be EPIC!)
Oh Pleasssee!!! Bethenny needs to shut the fuck up. Who gives a shit about her pain ? With a few million pounds in the bank she could shut that crap down straight away. She can hire the best lawyers and stick it to Jason big time if she wanted to. But no ! the self absorbed Narcissist simply enjoys the self imposed misery and the attention it affords her. Luanne and Ramona should take the bitch Bethenny on a tour of the nearest ghetto. drop her off at a charity food bank and make her spend a day feeding the homeless….Bethenny deserves no sympathy, lets face it shes had a huge shove up the ladder from BRAVO with her business and but for being on the show she would still be waiting tables. Her sense of entitlement, lack of empathy, her hysterical possessive attitude towards protecting her “brand” , the vitriolic name calling is shameful. She has no humility, she is simply vile…..
Could not disagree with you more. Erica, beautifully said!!
I’m not a bethanny fan but I feel that her hopeless was real and that she can’t see a way out from Jason’s attacks. Whether she has buckets of money or is flat broke is irrelevant to how this affects her psychologically. She made me feel sorry for her in this episode.
I just can’t with Ramona, the woman is completely delusional! The state of her in this episode makes me think it was more than just alcohol involved. She is bat shit crazy.
For two seconds I honestly thought maybe, just maybe she was on coke. Just buzzed in my head. Then I thought, well maybe but Ramona has acted batshit crazy from the beginning. what do you think? did it occur to you?
Definitely chemically induced… allegedly
one of my favorite words. “Allegedly”. ba dum bum.
Housewives favorite words and/or phrases:
“alledgedly”
” I shouldn’t have repeated it”
“word on the street”
” I didn’t know if it was true—–(fill in the blank)
” I don’t remember saying that!”
“If I did say that, I apologize”
“I don’t lie!”
So I’m currently rewatching Bethenny getting married and Bethenny ever after (don’t judge, I’m traveling a lot for work). Jason seems like a pretty decent guy and his family seems grounded. Is he really that bug a jerk or is Bethenny being dramatic and making him out to be so evil, when he’s just a little bitter about the divorce? Just curious.
Hard to say. I was always Team Jason during those shows. Bethenny’s crazy was right there to see. I doubt Jason is that good at hiding his crazy.
Jason appeared to be a decent guy and usually if there is an undercurrent of crazy a little seepage comes out. None of that was evident with him or his lovely parents who only ever wanted to help out. Bethenny is a damaged human being, aggressive but essentially fragile. I dont have any sympathy for her because she has had enough psycho analysis and counselling to correct her attitudes and improve her living experience. She is a Narcissist of magnitude ! life revolves around her.Lets not forget how wealthy she is and what privileges that affords a person………..lets save our sympathy for those who deserve it……like the Manchester bomb victims for a start!! Bethenny is doing ok, she is rich , successful and has a lovely daughter….this is just a bump on the road…we all have them.
Carole is horrified about the treatment of the chickens, which I do understand but really Carole??….your disgusted about that and talk about the horrific videos you’ve seen but you wear fur coats on the show all the time. Maybe you should educate yourself on the suffering and torture of the animals you wear as well as the ones you eat.