I have to say Southern Charm has a great theme song. So there is that. Also, I am starting to like Cameran better when she is not around the aquatic one or the old chiroptera. In her confessional tonight she tells us that in high school she wanted to be a white witch. So she dyed her hair purple and bought some spells books and did some weird shit in the woods. Somehow, I find this endearing. I know you guys will have a lot to say about that. Then she ruins it all by saying, “But hey! I still got homecoming queen.” See, for a moment there I thought there was as depth to Cameran. Le sigh.
The reason we are hearing about all of this is because we are finally getting some low country culture on this show. Cameran is at a hoodoo doll makers shop. Hoodoo is something that the Geechee/Gullah culture in the low country takes pretty seriously. This doll maker is a white dude though so I think maybe he just likes dollies if you know what I mean. NTTAWWT. I don’t find this odd at all. Cameran picks her doll, and then special orders a love spell doll for Shep. I want a dolly.
Speaking of Shep, he is playing basketball with Austen while talking about who they slept with the night before. Shep knows Austen was with Chelsea and he is going after him on the court because of it. The “Shep is getting old” storyline continues. Shep tries to change the subject to Chelsea and tells Austen he should have gotten the okay from him before “hanging out” with her. Because, bro code. Later, Shep makes a doctor’s appointment to find out why he can’t hang in a basketball game.
Whitney has a date with Thomas. Whitney is actually starting to speak properly after spending some time in the south. He is getting close at least. He orders Thomas’ drink before he arrives, “a double bourbon with just a splash of Coca-cola.” Had he said “co-cola” he would have gotten the order just right. Thomas was apparently an hour late. Allegedly. The theme of the scene is he is Dad of the Year now and has lost his confidence in picking up chicks. Thomas thinks his problem is being a dad. His real problem is he needs to date age appropriate women. Whitney is pushing the stupid Landon storyline. This is Landon’s entire purpose for being on the show this season. Pretend to be into Thomas to infuriate the mother of his child. Thomas is complicit in this bullshit. Landon is not “OC” and he would never be interested in her. Landon knows she will never have a relationship with Thomas.
YOU MAY HAVE MISSED A LOT OF SOUTHERN CHARM POSTS IN THE PAST 2 WEEKS
Jennifer and Kathryn meet for lunch. I cannot abide the little scarf tied around your neck thing that Kathryn is sporting. It gives me claustrophobia. I love her sunglasses though. Point of reference, at this point in time Kathryn is “mostly sober” as Lisa Rinna would say. She has been out of rehab for just a short time and gone to take her first drug test. Things go downhill rapidly at this point. Kathryn is mad at Jennifer because she and Thomas were very friendly at the reunion. I found that a bit odd as well but Thomas was very compassionate about her serious pregnancy complications. He also has a brother with Downs Syndrome if I recall correctly and was therefore extremely supportive of her decision not to have an abortion even though she was medically encouraged (that is the wrong word, but it’s all I have at the moment) to do so.
Jennifer says that she doesn’t know what she has done to upset her. Kathryn says the last time she saw her was in New York (at the reunion) where she was pregnant and concerned for her baby. Jennifer says that Thomas passed her a handkerchief because she was crying, but it would have been better if Kathryn would have hugged her because the show was TOUGH.
I don’t want to say Jennifer is naïve because there is a negative connotation to that word. I think that Jennifer is a bit …innocent? Sheltered? overly trusting? I can’t think of the right word but I do think that she comes from a good place and that she also hasn’t had to want for much in her life growing up. Until the terrifying pregnancy, I am guessing her life was pretty easy. She is not used to dealing with people like Kathryn who can be a bit manipulative and more streetwise than Jennifer appears to be.
Kathryn makes it clear she has no sympathy for the extremely difficult pregnancy she has had. In her confessional she says that all she needs in her life right now are genuine and honest people. I think she totally had that in Jennifer. But that is not how she sees it.
THE LASTEST ON KATHRYN IS NOT PRETTY
This scene was shortly after Ascher was born. She tells about his emergency brain surgery on the day he was born. If my mortal enemy was telling me this story I would maintain a better facial expression than Kathryn is showing. She’s hard as nails. In her confessional, she says that based on what she saw between Jennifer and Thomas at the reunion, this just seems fishy as well. Kathryn just despises anyone Thomas passes a hankie to. She’s incredibly jealous over nothing. Kathryn says Jennifer is manipulating her with her tears. It’s really mean. Even if I hated Jennifer, I would never talk this way about someone on TV for any reason when she is going through such serious medical drama with a child. If I hated them that much, I would not even film with them. This is such a bad look. Especially when Thomas is making a big point to make it seem like he is Mr. Mom. It’s just not smart or kind.
Craig
Craig is made to look like a buffoon on this show. He has had fake jobs with JD who treated him like a moron. He has had TWO fake legal jobs where he was shown as irresponsible and incompetent. He was the one who has always supported Kathryn in the face of the old chiroptera demanding that no one film with her. And just last week, HE PASSED THE BAR! Sure he’s a yankee, but I think he gets a bad wrap on this show. I believe part of him think it is cute to be dumb, kind of like Porsha Williams. Tonight, he gets a sewing machine. It’s a Brothers sewing machine. With the brand named shown it is clearly product placement.
Cameran pretends like she is trying to sell Shep his house. She is on the phone with an agent for a $200K house nowhere near the water. Shep’s house is close to ten times that figure. Oh it was for Craig. That could be plausible, except Naomie’s family is wealthy so that is probably below their price range as well. It sounds like Craig was looking for an investment property. Maybe. Nothing is making sense. Yes, investment property it is.
In other news, they are making Craig seem gay. I do not get a gay vibe from Craig at all, he’s just sort of beta. Craig thinks he can start his own clothing line, buy investment properties and study for the bar. Naomie says he can’t. Why not? He’s not trying to be Calvin Klein, he’s probably planning to do what Shep is doing and selling novelty shit. And so he buys a house and puts it with a managment company. People are too judgemental about Shep. Shut up Naomie! CRAIG PASSED THE BAR!
Thomas
I love how Thomas is shown pouring a Nob Creek on the rocks at his house, and not his very bestest friends version of “bourbon whiskey.” Bourbon is from Kentucky. Then some other unimportant shit happened.
Shep
Shep goes to the doctor to find out why he doesn’t feel good. Clearly they filmed this on a weekend as there are no other patients reading Highlights magazine from 1997 in the waiting room. And here is the issue. If you tell your doctor the truth about smoking and drinking then you are judged and scorned. It’s a fact. Don’t ask me how I know this. My last, and shittiest doctor in the world from Kaiser Permanente would literally read me the GUIDELINES FOR DRINKING from a script on her laptop every time I went to see her. Blah blah blah no more than seven drinks a week or two drinks in a night. So after I DONE TOLE HER the first time, I just started saying that. I get they have to give you the lecture, but does it have to be every time I sprain an ankle or have a touch of the flu? Stop drink shaming me bitch! So Shep lies at seven, then asks if shots count and ups his answer to twelve a night. Then in confessional he says it is just like the answer to how many people you have slept with, he says to divide by 2 and then add ten. I think that probably would still put him in the four digit group. He’s single, screw about three chick as week and 47.
Dr. Maguire arrives he tells him to stop drinking for a week. He’s not sure if he can do it. Um, Shep. Lent is God’s way of letting our liver recover. It’s forty plus days. You need to get with that program. And buy some Liver Complex at Kroger. Not that I did that today or anything. Cheers!
Next Week: Shep films with Kathryn, because he isn’t a bad guy, he just has Peter Pan Complex. The old chiroptera has her minions over to dine on god only knows what. And Cameron give Shep his hoodoo doll that clearly doesn’t work because we have this hogwash as a spinoff now.
If I were Jennifer I would have slapped the shit out of Kathryn! I get she is in a bad place, but damn, she had the reaction of a borderline sociopath (for lack of a better term)
CLEARLY Kathryn has not changed. The behavior towards Jennifer was disgusting. Heard she ONCE AGAIN lost visitation due to a failed drug test. She needs to hook up with Craig because they both have a few screws loose.
Feeling bad for Craig. He’s coming across as somebody who might have some sort of mental illness. He is acting scatter brained and hyper, wanting to do all of these grand projects all @ the same time. He truly believes this is normal behavior and it’s not. I hope I’m wrong, but he has changed. He looks depressed also! Kathryn showed no compassion whatsoever toward Jennifer and her baby, hell she didn’t even try acting like she gave a shit. Interesting episode tonight.
Craig might have ADHD, lots of interests, bored easily, starting projects but not finishing them. It’s very treatable and he might want to look into it.
He reminded me of Sonja last night- he just needs a “j” to make it a world brand. And fake marketing people, etc., etc., He is certainly/and has been been getting the “bad” edit. Guess next season is when he becomes a ” success”. . I hope he finds some single thing to focus on, including getting a grip on reality and not driving Naomie away.
I think Craig was almost paralyzed with worrying about taking and passing the bar exam. After 3 years of school, everything hangs on passing that test. The thought of failing it and the public humiliation that comes with failing is very stressful. Now that he has passed, hopefully he will have more self confidence and can focus on his future. When Craig was growing up in a middle class family in Delaware the idea of being a lawyer probably seemed pretty exciting but now that he has experienced the “Southern Charm” lifestyle, the Bravo tv easy money and the jet set life with Naomi and her family I doubt he will practice law. It can be lucrative but it can also be boring. Craig is easily bored and has too many other options.
Interesting comment. But passing the bar is huge. Certainly he needs mentoring by a good law firm. He needs to decide what type of law he would choose to do. As for his other interests. Maybe he can manage them. Wait and see.
I don’t know about law firms in Charleston or South Carolina but in most places, to get a job with a “good law firm” (ie. in “big law”/”corporate law”) you have to graduate from a good law school which Charleston School of Law is not. It is a for-profit school established in 2003 but not accredited by the American Bar Association until 2011 and has been on the verge of bankruptcy for the last several years. Your grades have to be at the top of your class and some firms require you to have been on law review. South Carolina seems to have only 2 law schools in the whole state so maybe it doesn’t make a lot of difference there where you got your law degree.
If Craig were to get a job with a “good law firm” the bigger problem is that he would have to work his butt off 24/7. Currently law firm associates are expected to produce anywhere from 1700 to 2000 billable hours annually (depending on the firm and area of the country) for a salary of about $180,000. To get that many billable hours you have to work about 10-11 hours per day at least 6 days/week. You don’t really make the big bucks (and have more control of your life) until you make partner which can take at least 7 years of “toiling away in the salt mines”.
Craig’s personality reminds me of my friends who are criminal defense attorneys. (They are extroverts, can be flamboyant, like to take chances, do things at the last minute, pull seemingly impossible wins out of their asses.) He might also make a good civil trial lawyer in a small firm but if he practices law I think he will be happier being in-house counsel to a business where he can travel the world and wheel and deal and make more money for less effort (less time in the office) than in a law firm.
Spot on.
I agree with most all your comments. I doubt is any small business would hire him for in-house counsel. We will see what his plans are, other than being rich and philanthropic.
Craig would want WESTLAW on line so he never left his desk to do Shepardzing Pun intended.
I think he would enjoy criminal law because it’s just more interesting than corporate taxation. I enjoy the courtroom so much more than the office. He could start a private practice, let the show bring in some clients, and get on the public defender list for experience. It would be a great storyline for next season. I think he could be quite good at the dramatics and posturing in the courtroom and it would be a nice redemption story.
I think Private Practice would be perfect for Craig. I still don’t see how he will have the self discipline to work full time though, especially since he’s taken so much time off. I feel a little sorry for him.
So I watched seasons,2,3,and first couple episodes of 4 over the weekend and was really pulling for Kathryn until I saw her scene with Jennifer. Unacceptable unacceptable and again. It’s going to be hard for me to show an interest in her if she can’t find any interest or COMPASSION for others. What a sad scene to watch!!!!!
If you can’t find empathy for a mother whose newborn baby is fighting for his life…
Kathryn is so very busy trying to sell her version of reality to the viewer that she showed herself to be cruel, without empathy, substance, or care for anyone but herself.
It may well be that her entire story about the abuse Thomas has thrown her way, the betrayal, all of it, may be true, but her inability to show any warmth or desire to assist Jennifer and her child showed us all who Kathryn really is. And that is a shame- you can’t get those moments back. The most basic human instincts of compassion, respect for her courage, and desire to support her in her pain were completely missing and Kathryn thought she could get away with this line of BS, Because she doesn’t care at all about anyone but herself. It made wonder how many of her lies I let slip because I trusted she had the right agenda and focus.
On the other end are these climbing back stabbers who actively work to hurt Kathryn- Landon’s the perfect example. Her story about Vail vs Aspen, about judging dates she is travelling with by their luggage and skills under pressure( the highest pressure being needing his documents at the airport) shows just how completely barren of depth, dimension, judgment and integrity this climbing dolphin is. Meanwhile she tries to hurt a vulnerable Kathryn while climbing after Thomas’s money on a fours.
Roam site continues to be nonexistent.
Preach Sabrina. Spot on!!
Correct. Landon saying she is “working” because she is eating in a restaurant ? Like she will rate the restaurant on ROAM! The IRS is watching my dear.
I read the scene very much like you did Sabrina. It was not as if Kathryn did not care about Jen or her baby, But rather she was so caught up in trying to relay her reality and story to the viewing audience. Jennifer turned it into a scene about her baby and it was as if Kathryn was like, “no that’s not what this scene is for. It’s to show how I was wronged by THomas and Jen”. And Kathryn just could not see outside that inner dialogue. It was a very bad loook for her. I felt she was not even hearing Jen and her pain.
Someone on the show or maybe it was TT source, Said Kathryn was having a hard time differentiating the reality show from reality, and this scene with Jen really depicted that to me. Kathryn was disgusting in it and I still felt sad for her. She is very lost.
Amen sistah!
Oh, Tamara! I do wish you’d refer to Patti as “the old battleaxe” or similar instead of chiroptera. Bats are far more attractive and useful.
I kind of like this new Craig but think he’d be better off if he actually TALKED to Naomie about his plans and idea.
Kathryn’s behavior towards Jennifer makes her a heel, a trashy person and one not worth of the title “southern lady.” That was straight-up white trash behavior.
I wonder if Austen and Chelsea will sail off into the sunset after this season. I don’t see them staying past their storyline with Shep.
I’ve named her Patricia Awful.
I have seen this twice now in separate post. What does it mean?
NTTAWWT.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that…Seinfeld reference
Lol, I had to google it. It means Not That There’s Anything Wrong With That, NTTAWWT
Not that there is anything wrong with that
Daintyfeets it means Not that there’s anything wrong with that… I wasn’t sure myself ..
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
NTTAWWT = Not that there’s anything wrong with that
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Not that there is anything wrong with that.
NTTAWWT
I agree with your theory about Jennifer. i don’t think she belongs on reality television. She seems sweet and loyal and astounded that anyone isn’t other than how they represent themselves. She was so horrified by the things people were saying about her on the interwebs that she even took part in a board dedicated to SC, answering questions from the participants. Why would you even READ that stuff about yourself, unless you want to have a bad rest of the day? Kathryn needs to listen to her publicist, if she has one. It was a ludicrous decision to treat Jennifer the way she has. There is no upside to attacking a pregnant mother and attacking the mother or a dangerously ill child basically makes you Kim Jong Un. I’m still pulling for Kathryn, impossible though it is to defend her sometimes.
I adore bats! I detest Patricia and her nastyassed dogprint kaftans and delusions of southern grandeur.
I couldn’t believe how nasty Kathryn was to Jennifer when she was talking about her son. What a stone cold b*tch. As a mother you’d think she’d be able to show a modicum of empathy for her. That must have been a really scary and emotionally draining thing for Jennifer to go through.
But then again there were rumors swirling around that Thomas was the father of her (Jennifer’s) baby at the time which may be why Kathryn was being so cold towards her.
@BK, Kathryn started those rumors to get back at Thomas and Jennifer. Jennifer’s kid looks just like her fiance” even though Kathryn says he looks just like Saint. Kathryn is very ill, please don’t enable.
KCD didn’t start those rumors she just exploited them for cash. They exist because Thomas and Snowden lied about sleeping together after Snowden befriended KCD to film. I don’t believe the rumors at all though. Notice how the most film time Snowden still has gotten this season is with KCD?
I think that’s because no one will film with KCD. Snowden was being nice to KCD not the other way around.
I’m pulling for KCD to get her life together but last episode and her attitude toward her friend that did nothing to her was a really bad look. She looked like a jealous harpy mad that her ex seemed to be nice to another woman.
That’s the addict side showing, everyone is against her not her fault. Such a shame because I have always liked Kathryn and her ability to turn these snobs upside down. I hope she gets it together sooner than later.
Jennifer is too kind and doesn’t deserve this.
I agree. If I was Jennifer I would have jumped up, told Kathryn off and left her with the check.
That was my thought too; Kathyn’s behavior was like a jump-off-justification for a lapse in sobriety. It’s amazing how many of these Bravo shows center around this recurring issue.
I wanted to hug Jennifer. And oddly, I bought Liver Tonic herbal tincture today. Must be in the air.
Kathryn thinking that Thomas having sympathy for Jennifer and giving her his hanky equates to her baby being Thomas’ shows how ill she really is and possibly dangerous, IMO. So glad she lost visitation.
It probably more stems from the fact that Thomas and Jennifer slept together and lied about it. That probably just triggered her because she does struggle with some mental health issues. How is it not also bizarre that Snowden befriended KCD to film with her while lying too? Snowden ain’t innocent. I don’t think that KCD being triggered because Thomas and Snowden are also liars had anything to do with her losing visitation with her kids. It’s not her emotional issues that lost her visitation, it’s the drug issue. Hate how people are now starting to insult/mock her mental illness when 1 in 5 Americans have some form of mental illness. Take her to task for her drug problem, not her other emotional health struggles.
I think for the most part we’re “insulting/mocking” her cause she is a major bitch and THAT has nothing to do with mental illness or drug addiction. She’s just another gold digger, like Landon, “monkey branching off different men until one sticks”. (Her words in describing Landon, not mine. Too bad she didn’t see the irony of her words and realize she had done the same thing…)
I had a hard time concentrating on this episode because the first few minutes involved Cameron buying a creepy doll. I couldn’t stop thinking “please tell me you won’t put one of those in your forth coming baby’s cribe.”
I completely agree. She is defending herself on her IG page. But those things are creepy. If they are so great, why do they look so . . . . evil??
Maybe for the same reason gargoyles look like demons.
Exactly! Also, wouldn’t putting faith in something like that be considered a false idol?
Craig:”I hope she feels as lucky about being with me, as I think she should”
Oh, young Craig, you have so much to learn…including not to pour a bottle of wine that is dripping ice water over someone else’s plate (anyone else catch Naomi putting her hand out to prevent that?!)
I like Naomi, I hope she continues to stand her ground bc Craig needs that.
Can Craig come over and show me how to fix the tension setting on my old sewing machine and then give a demo on his embroidery prowess? I mean, didn’t he hold up a little sewn hankie thing with a C and an N on it? Yea it’s a programmable feature but shit, you go girl. Love it. The gardening, Gizmo, love it.
Although when my boyfriend went thru his version of this it drove me insane and I can only hope Craig pulls focus at some point. Life just moves too fast.
Hope he doesn’t offer that hankie to Snowden at the reunion. It might mean he’s the father of snowdens baby.
1. Medical people seem to want you to be an alcoholic! Here is my story:
Once, I had been mugged at a cashpoint in central london. Bashed over the head with a bottle for £20 and my oyster card – that’s all I had on me at the time. Left passed out and slumped over with my head gashed open, could have been dead.
The next day after I had been rushed to hospital, the nurse asked me if I had been drinking.
“Where you drinking? You were pretty out of it when you were admitted…”
“Yes, I had had a glass of wine with an old friend after work. Two small glasses of Chardonnay. I had also been walloped with a bottle and left for dead. This could be more of an explanation.”
“How much do you usually drink?”
“I don’t drink during the week. At the weekend I may have a bottle of wine with dinner, then maybe another bottle in a bar or club if I go out after.”
“Oh.”
*nurse comes back with “Do you have an alcohol problem” leaflet*
WTF???
2. How do these people behave like that on national TV? I can be a cunt. I have done bad things. But you can bet your bottom dollar if there was a camera in my face I would be sweetness and fucking light.
So it wasn’t your robbery and injury the medical staff (and hopefully the police) were concerned about. It was if you were drinking and you brought your injury on yourself. That’s like blaming a woman who was raped based on what she was wearing. I hope you have recovered and are doing well
Thought the hoodoo doll had very creepy vibes, and there is no way I think anyone should ever play with that stuff in any manner whatsoever …unless you are so thick it could never touch you, which may be the case with Cameran. I like Craig and think he is multi-talented. He may turn out to be the straight-male Martha Stuart. Re Kathryn and Jennifer.. I seem to recall K Cooper saying that Jennifer was not a true friend in a prior seasom ( and I do not know what was behind that remark, exactly) and Kathryn seems so hurt by Thomas taking the children. Also, I think Kathryn is so fixated on Thomas — who plays games with Landon to drive Kathryn wild — that Kathryn cannot think of anything else. And this has left Kathryn brittle and bitter.. to the point of not even being able to sympathize with Jennifer regarding her precious baby. I think Jennifer was very brave and loving to proceed with her pregnancy. Kathryn needs someone to talk to her anout her behavior toward Jennifer and in general. I know a lot of people who have no empathy for others bc they feel that none was given to them and only being spoken to by a truly good priest, minister, or kindly therapist or friend has been able to get them on the right path.
So sorry, and wish to amend my statement. In this edit Kathryn may appear a bit brittle and slightly bitter but this is a Bravo edit and we may not have the full back story. And after all the put-downs Kathryn has endured.. who would not feel some kind of way.
Yes you don’t have the full edit. Read snowden’s explanation on all about the tea. KD had a tantrum during the scene.
gee, i guess the whole compassionate human concerned about Jennifer thing was edited out. How could we be so deceived.
SERIOUSLY?
Yeah what is it was Cooper? He went from bring friends with Thomas and Pat them was all for Katherine while he and Thomas ran Jennifer to the ground, now on Twitter defending JSnowden. I see you Cooper! You either love gossip and nobodies friend or take whoever’s side the fans like. He needs to stop stirring trouble. The doll is freaky but Cams mom was with her so maybe they were brought up to think its all positive energy. I think its sweet the things Craig does. He’s actually very talented in a lot of things and would be a great partner as game for things women are interested in. Makes for a best friend and partner in life. Congrats to him for passing the bar. I can see how Naomi could get irritated but she came from money and needs to give Craig a break to adjust and get on his feet before he can give her what her parents have. Kathryn, it was sad to see her and JSnow not being great friends. The only thing I could guess is someone put it in her head that something more went on again with Thomas and JSnow. She should have been honest and got the truth so they could move forward. I wish she would have been more sympathetic as made her look cold. I hope Shep took the doc office seriously and slows down. We all want Shep healthy. Loving the new girl and Austin seems like a good guy . Landon I hope the restaurants you put down while filming ban you! Who does that? Living eating and drinking on others dime and you have the balls to say anything negative is so Landon! I hope daddy takes his wallet away..
Sorry TT. I referred to Jennifer as JSnow and JSnowden. Opps! I know that’s a rule breaker and didn’t think to edit before hitting submit.
I don’t take issue with that, I do take issue with you not understanding that K. Cooper Ray was friends with EVERYONE until the old cunt dictated that they were no longer allowed by HER to film with Kathryn. He is one of the FEW who told her to go fuck himself.
Are we allowed to curse and say cunt in comments? Because I really wanted to call KCD a dumb twat after that scene with Jennifer.
Yes! I do it all the time. Even toward commenters. There are supporter groups all over for people I was mean to in comments. I’m not kidding.
Anyway, yes, KCD’s behavior toward Jennifer was very twatty.
Kathryn is mentally ill. She couldn’t even feign concern for Jennifer. Has zero regard for her own children.
Kathryn’s scene with Jennifer was disturbing. Zero empathy. Having first hand experience with a loved one, I saw that she had become the drugs she’s addicted to — which take over like an evil spirit. (A doctor told me … your child is not there anymore, only the opiates.) It’s unsettling and I hope she can recover before it’s too late for her. I am thankful every day that mine came back to us.
You are blessed and hope its permanent!
You’re so kind to reply – thank you!
Very well said!
You taught me a new word “chiroptera” and I have just the right person in mind to whom I shall refer it to forever. Thank you!
I’ve never been a fan of Kathryn, I think she’s a psychopathic, self-absorbed, gold digger. She thought she could use her youth and beauty to score a lifestyle and bank account from Thomas. When that didn’t work she upped the anti and got pregnant thinking she could score an engagement ring, when that didn’t work she used her children to leverage a house in town so she could be near the party people. She has never shed a tear for anyone but herself and her treatment of Jennifer on last night’s episode was cold-blooded and cruel. She is one heartless shrew.
Yes, yes, and yes. Was going to comment, but you said it all for me.
I have to say that I noticed how grubby Kathryn’s fingers were. Kind of reminded me of Lindsay Lohan when she was in her “wrecking ball” phase. She also looked completely high during her lunch with Jennifer. Just my opinion but keeping her in my prayers. Addiction is no laughing matter and she has quite the monkey on her back right now.
I don’t know anything about drugs. What was she doing that made her look high?
Watch the whole scene with Jennifer. Kathryn will not make eye contact with her at all — not even once. When you look at her pupils they are tiny. Addicts also lose their sense of compassion for others and cannot see beyond their own problems. Clearly she had no compassion for Jennifer at all. Having had experience with people who have drug problems, that struck me right away. Of course, this is just my opinion and others may see it differently.
Think you are correct on this one. Kathryn was there in body only. No focus on what is happening.
Jennifer Snowden annoys me. She’s being just like Jac Laurita, using her child for sympathy in attempts to make herself permanently a victim in any situation. Her Twitter went from sickeningly sweet, to consistent tweets about KCD, knowing many fans would jump to her side after a difficult pregnancy and birth. She’s lucky KCD still filmed with her after the crap she pulled. Let’s remember that she did in fact sleep with Thomas and then befriended Kathryn without telling her that. KCD stayed friends with her for a time after that as well. Much love to all the children of the show, but Jennifer is no saint. Her Twitter is not the page of the sweet doting mother she is trying to portray. I’m sure she’s a good mother, but the innocent bit she plays is crap. It shows more of that shady side of her that covered up sleeping with Thomas. She was mad that KCD gave an exclusive saying that she couldn’t look at social media bc of what FANS were saying about their babies looking similar. KCD has always had the paternity of her kids questioned, yet Snowden tweets rude comments tagging cast members for support who did the same thing to KCD! If she hadn’t slept with Thomas and lied about it, there never would be the rumors that FANS long discussed. I 100% don’t think Thomas is the baby’s father, but Snowden blaming that on KCD is ridiculous. I also don’t think that KCD actually thinks that either, just made use of rumors that exist because of Snowden’s lying past with Thomas. She keeps saying on social media that KCD is mentally ill. We all know KCD DOES have serious issues, but it’s not a nice or sweet person that is behind those tweets from Snowden. She wants to be one of the main stars so bad, tweeting about how she’s had a contract for three seasons. She’ll never get FT. KCD also will always be a recovering drug addict, and if Thomas gets his way all of her other mental health issues will come out in court too. What she did in terms of failing her own children was sickening and sad, however I think she probably also has always struggled with serious mental health issues not taken care of that led to her downfall into hard drugs. Her father had issues with mental health and Thomas mocked them about that in the past too. KCD has a long road ahead of her, but there’s still a lot of crap stinking too from these other cast members who are using her drug addiction and mental health problems to try to improve their own image. KCD does needs to pull it together and seek regular treatment for LIFE. She has to stop BSing on social media. Addiction and mental health issues need care, and she should not be ashamed of treatment, but being mocked by Thomas and Snowden about it doesn’t help either. I might have to stop watching Southern Charm because so much has become sick and twisted, or just completely boring. There is no in-between so far, so the rest of this season I might have to dip out. Ugh, Bravo problems.
To “theslightlyfamous” — thank you so much for posting this other information re Jennifer Snowden, as there is undoubtedly so much that goes on behind the scenes that we never see, and this may account for Kathryn’s attitude. And I think it is terrible that so many of the people who accuse Kathryn of lack of empathy with Jennifer — go around shaming Kathryn for being “mentally ill” — and they did this way before the Bravo edit with Jennifer aired. To call someone who may be suffering from emotional affliction and intra-psychic pain — “mentally ill” — as a pejorative judgment — is horrible and bullying — and only causes that person more suffering. Imo, it is not helpful and is cruel. And think of all the very public putdowns and mobbing Kathryn has endured. The newspapers are littered with reports of how similar personal attacks and put-downs have affected many other individuals – high school students and adults alike. I hope and pray that Kathryn has positive and supportive people in her life — be they family or a truly good therapist or person of faith. And learning that Kathryn’s own father may have had some issues may explain why she was attracted to a much older man. But that Kathryn was mocked for her father’s alleged mental health concerns– is disgusting. So all these people who are calling for Kathryn to be more empathic when they are so sadistic — are the worst sort of hypocrites.
I am rather concerned that you are accusing Kathryn’s father of having mental health issues.
WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
Suppose her mental Illness forced her to drink during pregnancy to cause FAS in her son? Denied drinking, however put on twitter for haters to find a cure for FAS. It’s only caused one way and that is from becoming intoxicated during pregnancy. She’s even dumber to think there could possible be a cure for it! People like that don’t deserve kids or airtime on a show. The bitch is flat out ignorant. Don’t feel one bit sorry for her.
Let’s remember that Kathryn slept with Whitney,Shep and Thomas and didn’t tell them either.. you can’t be mad at another for something you yourself did.
AMEN!!
Didn’t tell who? The other men? Well, no shit.
It’s quite another thing to find out your “friend” was creeping on your man. I’m sorry about Jennifer’s situation with her child, don’t get me wrong. Kathryn is cold-blooded. That’s probably more hereditary than any assumed mental illness.
There is too much manufactured bullshit going on here, ultimately.
A friend lying to you about her sleeping with the father of your children isn’t the same as not telling a man about the other men you’ve slept with at age 21. She had forgiven Jennifer after that but she clearly has emotional issues, especially with Thomas. Everyone is acting like he is a saint now just because he’s finally doing his job as a parent. Thomas manipulated KCD against Snowden last season. Snowden isn’t innocent because of her lies, and unfortunately KCD has her problems and could not stay away from the traps that she sets for herself with Thomas drama. With someone as mentally fragile and struggling with addiction as KCD, manipulating her with her friends shows a cruel side to him.
IF They slept together it was BEFORE KD and JS were friends and BEFORE KD and TR had children.
I’m saying if KD didnt tell TR she slept with WS before they had kids but while TR and WS were friends then she HAS NO grounds for using that as an excuse to be a total dick.
If I’m not mistaken Jennifer was in the picture with Thomas during KD’s pregnancy. KD had since forgiven Jennifer, supposedly.
I think KD tries to act on the show, like become a certain character and it fails awkwardly just making her look incredibly bad. That on top of her issues.
I actually think KCD manipulated TR on Jennifer. And I don’t like the guy. But to interpret him handing a pregnant woman who is crying about her unborn child’s potential fatal congenital brain condition a handkerchief, as a slight against herself? Come on. And I do believe that KCD views that interaction as manipulation against her and she is very sure of her victimization. I don’t think most semi-normal people would see that as a sinister plot. I mean- what would the sinister plot even be? Jennifer’s going to collude with Thomas against KCD from the NICU? Is this a signal of romance? What??? Most of us would empathize with Jennifer’s situation, and see the handkerchief as a small -really small!- act of humanity. It would be exhausting to interpret everything the way KCD does. Especially since I have a hunch that TR has slept with many generations of Charleston women.
I find the comparison of Jennifer too Jac fucking Laurita, deplorable. When Jac’s child had autism, not a life threatening illness, she made it all about her. Jennifer has made huge sacrifices for her sweet boy and NEVER makes it about her..
Y’all judge everyone like they are supposed to have no faults. Jennifer’s dating life prior to her current relationship isn’t something I can judge. Jennifer was a good friend to Kathryn and was one of the only ones who would film with her for a lot of the last season. Jennifer is an excellent mother and a great spokesperson for the rare brain issue her baby had. She fought like hell to save that baby and he is alive and thriving.
So have a fucking seat.
I had hit the reply button, then saw your reply TT. A million thanks! I do not necessarily share your affinity for use of harsh words and insults, but wish you would have thrown more in this reply as they were well earned by this comment.
And if I may add, saying concerns about someone’s mental health somehow equating to a mom not being a “sweet, doting” mother is ridiculous. Perhaps slightlyfamout is unaware that doting means having extreme adoration which clearly Jen has for her son. And last I checked, you can be a doting mom and have fucking opinions about others you personally know. I mean you are here giving tons of opinions about strangers. If you have offspring, I dare say you are NOT doting.
Um, it’s clear I’m talking to slightlfamout and not TT yes? Ugh it’s too late/early… slinks back to the shadows till next time.
Um, it’s clear that the second half of my response is to Slightlyfamout and not TT yes? It’s too late/early for me to be commenting. Slinks back the shadows until next time (oh look TeeCee is back here…)
I just loved Whitney’s face of scorn, embarrassment and shame when he told Thomas he “watched baseball” while waiting for him. Poor guy. That must have been truly wretched for him.
Me too! i find myself being amused by Whitney a lot this season. I like him better when he is not filming with Mommy Dearest.
I cracked up when Whitney told the waitress his friend was a complete alcoholic and needed a double bourbon. It was the funniest line I’ve seen on this show. It made me wonder how great Whitney would be like if Mama took the shackles off and let him out of the closet.
I was blown away by kathryn’s ice cold manner toward Jennifer sobbing about her poor afflicted child. Holy shit. Anyone could see that was genuine emotion and that woman was trying to communicate honestly with someone she considered a friend. Kathryn just wasn’t having it though, I’ve seen more compassion from a box of hair. Yet, Jennifer should’ve snubbed Thomas’ kind words and apology to spare Kathryn’s feelings because “she knows” how thomas is? But Kathryn can’t spare a word of kindness or warmth for a woman who was distraught carrying a sick child, not knowing if he would live past birth? Yeah, ok. I won’t continue because this is clearly Kathryn’s disease manifesting in every way.
She is ill, naturally she will behave as such. I hope she gets herself straightened out. But in the meantime, Jennifer would do best to stay away from her and not get sucked into the toxicity. Wish her well from afar, honestly.
I am truly floored Craig passed the bar. He has the commitment and attention span of a gnat. He was totally gaslighting Naomie when she had every right, as his serious gf, to have concerns about his career path, lack of focus, and spreading himself too thin. She doesn’t just need to “support everything” he does, she gets input. If my boyfriend was floundering like that and couldn’t even answer a direct question about whether or not he wants to practice law, but in the meantime, he’s going to flip homes, start clothing lines, garden and sew, I’d have an issue too. If he went on to justify not taking anything seriously and leaving everything to the last minute by claming “what have i lost??” I’d slap him. Only a few jobs, Craig, just a few jobs.
I simply don’t respect people who don’t care enough about what they’re doing to plan in advance or properly dedicate time. Leaving everything till the end, to me, indicates you don’t really care or take what you’re doing seriously. I couldn’t deal with that on Craig’s level.
Craig may have ADD or no self confidence. I don’t think he chooses to be That way. I get Naoimis frustration too. Maybe watching the show he can see it a diff way. I’m super excited to see he passed and believe he and Naomi are hating this season bcus neither like giving the others anything to say negative about them. They are truly adorable couple and kind souls
I respect Naomi’s attempts to share a more mature perspective to Craig,on his view of life, often sharing more realistic understanding of his skills and life’s practical realities. She sees him for himself but tries to build on his strengths by explaining how he can enhance his presentation and approach in a kind loving manner, which he reacts to like a child.
He is so sure he is right and so delusional that he responds with an attack on her, instead of considering her thoughts, She is wise, he delusional. Hope he can grow out of it but the longer it goes on the more it appears to be personality flaws, rather than skills he can grow into.
If I have to hear the dolphin say “think yowwww” one more time I will RETCH. She really showed herself last night didn’t she? She left two previous relationships after she went on a small trip with them and found out that they didn’t have what it takes to be with her. She needs someone who knows how to dress for dinner and doesn’t have shitty luggage–you know, the important things in life. Just like horses, real estate and architecture. Oh and a well written menu—one that’s worthy of being on her website. Austen saw right through her shit and I was loving his spot on comments !!!
I laughed at that scene too; it seemed so revealing and made Shep’s earlier discussion with her much more believable now. It seems completely plausible that she said those outlandish (“not millionaires, billionaires”), comments when meeting with those investors.
Yeah he did haha I posted above I hope those restaurants ban her after them letting them film there only to put them down. She’s a piece of work and doing herself no favors.
Jennifer said KD got up in the middle of the scene and was upset that producers allowed Jennifer’s storyline (cuz a difficult pregnancy was KD’s storyline last season- how dare Jennifer take her storyline with her own difficult pregnancy- HYPOCRITE) to be part of the conversation.
I truly enjoyed SC at first. Brought me back to my southern roots. But now, it’s just the Bravo producers shit-show! They think we are all stupid and I am offended. Isn’t it obvious to most that gay Mama’s boy..two last names cause my mama doesn’t know who my daddy is..Whitney And his NOT Southern, arrogant snob of a mother, Patricia Awful, are running this show!!! Mama needs to marry another rich old man ready to die, to get some more money for the New Orleans show, so they can exploit more people. I just can’t believe that these people who are for the most part intelligent adults, signed up for this crap they are being fed.
Another product placement I saw are the Jeeps. Everyone on the show must have got a new Jeep, even Kathryn.
Craig will be Craig. He did pass the bar. So , he goes off on tangents. If I don’t have a deadline to meet, I put it off. Even in college , finals, time to clean the house, cleaned the house. Managed to study and pass. People do things different ways. I would kiss a lizard to get a Sewing machine like that! I have an old Singer. No frills. zig-zag and button hole maker.
Iin the long run, he will end up being the better man of the group. IMO.
I agree. Shoot, with a guy as handy as he is, I wouldn’t mind working and letting him play “house mouse”, making my dinner, building and repairing things around the house, and best of all, making dresses for me. I would be in heaven!!!
For sure! He is a good guy in his heart. I would love to see Naomi marry him someday. All couples to thru issues the first few years.
Just a small point, but JD’s Gentry bourbon is distilled in Kentucky. It is aged and bottled in Charleston.
Just a small point, most of it is distilled in Indiana. It is not real bourbon.
I have a chair for you.
Bourbon can be made anywhere in the US. The two most important distinctions in bourbon are that the mash is at least 51% corn and that it is aged in new, charred containers. While Kentucky is certainly the center of the bourbon industry (and considered home to the best bourbons), there are numerous good bourbons made in other states, such as Koval from Illinois, Journeyman Distillery in Michigan, or Rough Rider from New York.
I like Cameran but she does ooze homecoming queen. NTTAWWT. Thanks for the explanations, folks!
I learned a new word today. I like that. Patricia Awful is pretty good, too, I must say. I dug the photo of Whitney’s ultra-smooth forehead. His “date” with Thomas. Ha.
2 men pushing 40 goofing off and comparing conquests is pretty gross. But not as gross as Thomas creeping on college girls. Would it kill him to date a woman over 30? Yeah, I know.
Craig is pretty boring. He should hang on to that woman like grim death.
I’m pretty sure Kathryn wasn’t looking at Jennifer because she hates her for fucking her man. She’ll never not hate her. I’m not one to slut-shame, but Kathryn does have a pretty immature double-standard going on where Thomas is concerned.
Oh, and I’m a little bummed people are looking at Gullah/Geechee art and being creeped out by it. Sad trombone.
Yeah, it makes me sad too. A lot of folks don’t know about the Gullah/Geechee culture. It’s really unfortunate.
One thing I’ve noticed is it seems every time Thomas and Whitney get together or go out, they’re dressed alike. It’s so cute!! Like a genuine couple!! I wonder if they plan it that way in advance or it just occurs naturally.
Also, I’m gonna admit it – I must be the only person who actually likes Landon. LOL. Everyone despises her except me…(what does that say about me?)
I for one was entranced by the dolls, the Gullah/Geechee art is new to me, it was inspiring and absolutely want to learn more. When someone says low-country, in any southern state for that matter, is it about being located in the southern half of the state OR is it related to something else? The most southern area I’ve lived is Ar Kans Ass.
The low country is the part of South Carolina and part of Georgia near the coast away from the Appalachians. The Gullah community is AMAZING. It’s a culture that I personally want to keep secret. I did appreciate the hilarious nod from the white guy obsessed with dollies….
I worked a lot with an HBCU in SC and I know the power of the Gullah medicines. I wish I still had contact.. I need some healing.
OK, makes sense, thanks. Almost “downhill” as down from the Appalachia and closer to water / low elevation areas.
I wondered too if it was odd that it was a white guy but didn’t want to make any assumptions. Can’t wait to learn more, there was something potent there, in those dolls. Just fascinating.
I hope that Thomas and Landon get married…they truly deserve each other.
We get it, Shep…you are middle aged, and still party like a frat boy.
The Carpetbaggers only redeeming quality is that she loves pugs.
If Craig was serving dinner on Naomi’s parents deck, then why did he have to schlep back to his house for napkins? Did they lock him out? Do her parents not own napkins?
I agree Thomas and Landon should get married. They are completely perfect for each other. It makes the most sense. He can continue trying to chase young women around and she can be the perfect little wife at home who hit the big time and gained the status she always wanted.
The more I watch and the more I read the sadder I become. As much as I don’t agree with Kathryn or understand most of her behavior, it breaks my heart to watch this young girl unravel on a tv show. I just don’t want to witness this anymore. This is not entertainment. Where is the someone that is going to smack some sense into her???
I rather watch Craig and Naomi. I think they’re adorable. I love Craig … I giggle watching his scenes especially with the cat … I rather come home from a long day and have this on my television.
I think Kathryn has always been a selfish, cold hearted and gold digging bitch. The fact that she has a drug problem or may allegedly suffer from mental issues in no way, shape or form dismisses nor diminishes the fact that she is a selfish bitch. I had a change of heart about her at one time, but now I’m back to believing pretty much everything I believed before.
I was under the impression she was clean at the point her scene with Jennifer was filmed. I did not view that scene with Katheryn as her being under the influence. I saw the same bitch who was hollering “he’ll no” when she came out of the john while pregnant with Saint at the polo match cause JD and Elizabeth were there with her daughter. Or whatever she was so pissed about.
Well it goes without saying that Kathryn was just awful. Reminds me of Kim Richards it’s all about me behavior.
All this Shep finding the right woman crap makes me think it’s to create interest in his upcoming show. Not working. Austin and Chelsea may be a fake relationship, but there’s some chemistry there. Dolphin and TRav, not so much. Dolphin has no storyline except that ridiculous website. She and her “boyfriend” have so little chemistry it’s laughable. TRav without Kathryn is coming off as boring.
And on the flip side I kind of like Whitney too. He reminds me of Jason Bateman…. Dry, sarcastic, …a little dark…. Anyway he makes me laugh sometimes
I like Whitney too.
When the scene with Craig and the sewing machine started, I paused it and got a fresh cup of coffee. As a fiber freak, a new fiber gadget is Christmas. His delight was enjoyable. Those embroidery machines are tricky, so he did well with the C (cupid) N. He mentioned his love of sewing coming from the home ec class he took. Go Craig! I think he will be a lawyer and sewing will be his hobby. As far as the clothing line goes, he knows how hard it is to construct men’s clothing. But I bet he will eff around with designs.
By the way, isn’t “Nomi” the character in “Showgirls”? I am living that spelling on Craig’s phone.
How I loved Whitney looking pained at Thomas’ complaints! And Austen! Saying Landon was using the website for free food and drinks! The Vail VS Aspen stuff was gold.
And Cameran’s confessional was really likeable. Who hasn’t wanted to use magic to make life more manageable? I appreciated that she was willing to try something offbeat. Those were well made and charming dolls.
So much good stuff this episode. I laughed until I cried when Landon and Thomas were concocting preposterous margaritas.
Thank you y’all for explaining the geeche/gullaha culture. Cameron’s doll still scares me -I scare easily – but I appreciate the introduction to another culture I’m not familiar with. Wikipedia, here I come
@Gertie, Please use a reputable site to learn about their beautiful culture. Remember douches like Carol Radziwill like to go in and cock up Wikipedia pages for shits and giggles.
I realized right after I posted a guniune gratitude I’d get some kick back for trying to be funny about going to Wikipedia
I donate to Wikipedia every year. They are great. Carole and her ilk are not in there messing up the Gullah pages. Wikipedia gets a bad rap. There are plenty of citations there that lead you to sources.
It was funny hearing Cameran talking about wanting to be a “white witch.” That term really isn’t used in net-paganism, but she probably felt compelled to use it because of all the associations between witchcraft and satanism, which really have nothing to do with each other. Cameran was probably talking about being interested in Wicca, which is a modern religion created in the mid-20th century that combines elements of medieval occult, nature worship, and hermetics. It tends to attract a lot of disaffected youths or the kind of youths that may be involved in the goth movement, essentially a way to get attention and freak your parents out. Cameran’s parents were divorcing when she was in her teens, so it was likely teenage rebellion. That said, many thousands of people identify as Wiccan for religious purposes today.
Admittedly, I am not following the whole pagan/Wiccan thing online. I don’t know the names of all the subcategories. But “white witch”, back in my day of the pre-Internet, was shorthand for “I dyed my hair purple and did incantations in the woods”. It was more comforting for parents to hear.
I found it endearing of Cameran to admit this.
Of course I am only conjecturing, since I don’t know anything about her personal history. But it is not uncommon for teens to get interested in the New Age movement and then grow out of it. It was particularly common in the mid-90s, when Cameran was a teen, because of the influence of the popular teen movie “The Craft.”
You might find the vast majority of goths as self-aware, highly read, deep knowledge of music and very compassionate, funny kids/people. They only want attention from their fellow goths, not their parents. Any Wicca leanings are not compulsory for goth culture. Rare in fact.
I only brought up goths to make a comparison in that a lot of youth are attracted to subcultures considered strange or bizarre by mainstream society. That is part of the allure. For many, it is a phase that they abandon when they grow up. I was not making any statements about gothic people, in general.
It’s all good, had no problem with your comment 🙂 My experience is that most from the goth subculture may abandon extreme dress as they get older. But they really encourage each others intellectual pursuits and evolve into challenging or highly artistic fields.
What is up with Katherine’s black nose during her confessional? Am I the only one that noticed that? I had maybe an ounce of sympathy left for her until this episode. What a cold hearted, self serving ice-queen bitch. Jennifer needs to run far, far away from the little twat. She’s nothing but trailer trash in a fancy dress.