On last night’s WWHL, people on Twitter were outraged that Juicy Joe was trying to pin the blame for Teresa’s incarceration on Joe Gorga. A source familiar with the Giudice bankruptcy filing has sent me some interesting tea about the process.
A few years before Joe Giudice and Teresa filed for bankruptcy, Joe’s younger brother, Pete, had a successful bankruptcy. At the time, it was the biggest in his area. His slate was successfully wiped clean. My source believes that the Giudices may have seen the potential of wealth from Teresa’s celebrity status and wanted a clean slate too.
According to the bankruptcy lawyer that is being sued, the Giudices were given standard forms which they filled out. The forms request tax documentation. Joe and Teresa signed forms stating that the tax forms they submitted to the bankruptcy courts were correct. They were forged. The standard procedure is for the bankruptcy court to check with the IRS. The IRS reported back with the information that they had not filed for ten years. CLICK HERE to see all of the IRS documents and W2s they falsified. Teresa was unemployed at this time and gave a variety of false jobs with fake W2s to numerous banks. They did not just “sign the forms they were given” as Joe likes to say. They made up jobs they didn’t have and falsified W2s to show the jobs existed and then signed those forms and gave them to the banks.
TERESA GIUDICE SUES HER BANKRUPTCY ATTORNEY: BLAMES HIM FOR HER INCARCERATION!
The bankruptcy lawyer shared that officials also asked how they acquired their bank loans. The law in NJ is that applicants have to provide W2 forms. Which the falsified.
People like the female lawyer of Joe’s partner and Kim G can claim that they helped the Feds in the investigation, but it was the process that caught the Giudices. The process sent the investigators to their homes to compare the list they were providing before the sentencing to the actual items.
WANT TO KNOW HOW THE GIUDICES ARE STILL IN THE MONTVILLE HOUSE?
Before Joe Gorga, Melissa and the Wakiles were filmed, Teresa was told they were coming on the show. She hit the roof and called them to give them a piece of her mind. The real reason Tre was angry was because they knew her secrets. Then, Teresa was the loving aunt when filming at the Christening. The Gorgas and Wakiles were reacting to the behavior of Teresa prior to filming. They may have pointed out the way the Giudices lived on the show, but this did not cause the investigation that led to the conviction. Anyone who files false tax forms in a bankruptcy is going to get caught.
Teresa’s malpractice suit will bring out a lot more information. She filed and dropped the suit in NY. She refiled in NJ. That lawyer will be free to share his side of the story. He is already doing this. The malpractice suit is a mistake, but that is how Teresa rolls.
Lawyers, accountants, tax collectors all watched RHONJ. Everyone wondered where the Giudice money came from in Season One. Joe Gorga has to love Teresa to put up with Joe Giudice’s claims that the Gorgas are responsible for this. They have no one to blame but themselves.
That’s it in a nutshell.
Wow!
Thanks so much, Tamara! It really helped to read a concise explanation now that the “smoke and mirrors” Giudice shit show is
FINALLY, FINALLY dissolving.
For “Tre” and “Juicy” to not only take absolutely NO FUCKING RESPONSIBILITY for their disgusting and morally corrupt crimes but to blame anyone and everyone else is truly…I can’t even!
I knew T was just as involved, if not more, than Joe. He’s not THAT bright and every single word that comes out of her mouth is a lie.
I watched the ‘special’ last night and my heart absolutely breaks for those girls, especially Gia. She has to be the strong one, holding herself together for all generations of her family.
The scope of their arrogance, entitlement and deceit makes Donald Trump look like Malala.
Maybe Joe Gorga is putting up with it out of love for his parents, I think he loves his nieces and wouldn’t want to be cut out of their lives.
I think so. I think the Gorgas put up with A LOT of shit from the Giudices. I watched the special and noticed how much better everyone is getting along without Teresa around. Hmmmmm…
Wow! Best Tea ever TT! And thank you for all the links to refresh our memory on just how jacked up this all was. Been a while since reading that and once again just mouth agape in disbelief.
One thing that struck me reading back is why didn’t they pick a W2 story and stick with it. Exec Assistant? Realtor? Stucco Owner? Really? You couldn’t just re-use your Word template and update it each time? Jeez..they can’t even commit to a proper lie.
that’s the trouble with lying – takes more work than you might think to keep the lies straight to avoid tripping yourself up
Very true.
I always think of Judge Judy …. you don’t have to worry about having a good memory if you tell the truth!
This would be a great Case Study for college/grad school….or HTGAWM except it’s not murder. Where did they trip up? How could they have gotten away with this? What was the ultimate downfall? Greed, arrogance, and stupidity aside.
They got caught.
To late for many of creditors though.
When sub-contractors invest payroll and materials into a decent size job and don’t get paid, it can be business ending.
I am not the sharpest tool in the shed, hell I am not even in the damn shed.
I never thought about how many smaller companies, probably larger ones too, that they put in the hole. The people that own -owned those businesses had a family too. It is so messed up! I would be so pissed if I had worked for them, paid my employees, paid for materials never to be reimbursed. Then to know they are still on TV, I would snap.
I am not the sharpest tool in the shed, hell I am not even in the damn shed.
I never thought about how many smaller companies, probably larger ones too, that they put in the hole. The people that own -owned those businesses had a family too. It is so messed up! I would be so pissed if I had worked for them, paid my employees, paid for materials never to be reimbursed. Then to know they are still on TV, I would snap.
P.S. I originally commented via social media and messed up with my name. Sorry TT
1+1=15 months. You should be working for the IRS!
Regarding Joe’s recent behavior: on the one hand, I can understand committing to the “Never let ’em see you sweat” credo; if I were in Joe’s position, I’d be putting the best face on it that I could as well.
HOWEVER, on the other hand, that they are still acting as if they were merely victims of circumstance and blaming others for their own actions is disgusting and infuriating.
You can still put a good face on it while taking some responsibility and showing some contrition. Perhaps that requires more intellectual capacity then the Giudices posess.
It just boggles my mind that they falsified documents to get loans, and then did not think they would get caught in the bankruptcy proceedings. It’s insane. Does this mean that Tre will be driving a Honda now?
NO! A Honda’s too good for her. How about a nice used GREMILIN?!!! Get it? Gremlin? Hahahaha!!!
TT how did Melissa, Joe and the Wilkies know PRIOR to them coming on the show that Teresa was doing these illegal things? would Tereasa confide in any of them that the Feds were asking questions? I dont see her doing that ( sorry for the misspellings)
I suspect it was quite obvious to those close to them that their incomes didn’t match their lifestyle/possessions. Plus word on the street is that many people in the area were running the same scam (not to mention all over the US – pre-financial collapse they were giving mortgages out like candy).
TT, excellent post!! You distilled it all to perfection and made the most important observation — Teresa is in prison (*cough*, college) because she continued to lie to the court. The judge was going to keep her out of that freshman year until she found out Teresa was STILL lying about her assets/income..
Wasn’t it great when Joe said that Teresa’s prison (Danbury?) is basically like a spa. Mmm hmm. Right. Spa. Even if it is a nice prison, it’s still a fucking prison. I hope they make her scrub toilets.
I just recently discovered your website, and it is like you are typing my inner monologue. Thank you, all of these stupid shows are my guilty pleasure and I love that you love it too.
I think the gorgas have done the exact same shady stuff as the guidices & the gorgas haven’t been caught yet… It may have even been taught to the guidices by the gorgas & theyre pissed at them cause they should be going down with them & arent.
They may have done it a little smarter and gotten out sooner. Pay their bills come hell or high water rather than claim bankruptcy, sell what assets they could…I think Melissa is the smartest of the bunch. I think THIS is the real reason Teresa tries to blame the Gorgas – she knew they were into the same thing and is beyond pissed that they never got caught.
Wow. Thanks for the tea TT. Shady shit. “Successful bankruptcy ” I find ironic.
Oxymoronic?
My mind goes to that first season of Tre giggling throwing down hundred dollar bills racking up thousands of dollars worth of clothing for her girls who two of them were toddlers at the time and grew out of the size most likely within 4 to 5 months max. Bragging “happy wife happy life my juicy.” “Buy me titties ass man *giggle*” barf. All fraud.
I’ve read so many inane comments over the years about, oh, people just sign things that are put in front of them, they’re just dumb, not malicious BITCH PLEASE of course they did. Great summation of these sordid ass facts. I agree with the irony of the idea of a successful bankruptcy, that’s some Donald Trump shit right there.
How dare they blame the Gorga’s?! Fuck Joe & Teresa. Sick of them.
What she said^
Thank you for the tea! Strong stuff, TT. You answered lots of questions in this post. The Giudices have made a career (and a small fortune) out of obfuscations, lies, and hiding the truth. It would be such irony if in the process of suing her attorney, Teresa draws more federal fire and charges. I am a bad person. I would laugh my happy ass off.
Me too. That kind of greed warrants it.
I think they saw they had no problem getting a loan with false documents and thought they should have no problems with the bankruptcy. They borrowed and borrowed and then borrowed some more knowing they were going to file!
I dont doubt that they saw many people do this (borrow and max their cards knowing they would file) and people did get away with it. However, those who did get away with it most likely had legit W2’s, had filed their taxes, were here legally and didnt have a wife paying for furniture on TV with thick wads of cash! SMH ?
The Giudices are guilty, and I have no sympathy for them. I just don’t know if the attorneys are squeaky clean. I have had bankruptcy attorneys tell my clients exactly how to fill out forms for their benefit. It’s almost like it’s a game to them. The most well know bankruptcy attorney in my area told my client to give her priest $60,000 to hide. When I wrote a letter explaining how $60,000 was unaccounted for and firing my client, the attorney put it back on the client, and the client wrote a page about my incompetence. I’ve also sat in meetings where the attorney had the forms completed and tried to get me to sign them as the preparer.
After reading this I had to watch their WWHL episode. That Joe Giudice is a piece of work. Just when you thought he couldn’t get any lower…
He is a dummy playing an even dumber dummy, by his “how did this happen? I dunno,” lame attempts at deflection. Lady Cocotte, perhaps his forty-plus months in prison will provide him with his new low. At least Joe won’t learn how to be a more successful criminal whilst in the pen; he just is not a good enough student.
THANK YOU.
Got so frustrated last night reading the Tre-huggers on twitter, all talking trash about Joe and Melissa and blaming them for T being at Danbury, and “sobbing” over the girls and Joe and when T would call in.
Barf.
Have lots of family members who have bought houses, etc. and I’ve never ever ever seen any of their loan papers or their W2s. Hell… my Dad is in real estate and has helped some of them buy their homes, and talked to the bankers, and I can bet you that he’s NEVER seen their W2s – forged or otherwise!!!
T is absolutely, weirdly obsessed with her brother. You know how Caroline has called Lauren out for not liking the girls Albie brings home (ok – insert “she’d like it better if he brought home a boyfriend!” joke here). It CAN be hard for a sister who is close to her brother – I may be an only child, but have plenty of close cousins both male and female who have had to work at accepting a sibling’s spouse. BUT… the mentally healthy ones ET THE FUCK OVER IT.
One cousin – we ALL questioned their initial relationship. But, eventually we realized as much as we might think he was stuffy or whatever – he ADORED our loved one, and for that we love him. Seriously – one of T’s main beefs is that she BROUGHT SPRINKLE COOKIES??? (Still shake my head over that one)
It’s amazing to me that so many people are drinking the Guidice Kool Aid. They took out loans using falsified documents. This couple took out many loans through the years. It was easy money and they didn’t care who they were stealing from. Then, they decided that instead of taking out more loans to pay off the old loans, they would just dump their obligations to repay. In order to do that, they had to falsify the bankruptcy documents. Plus, they wanted to keep everything they possess so it was important to hide all of their assets. When they get caught, they blame everyone near them for their demise. They still take no responsibility for anything. The loan documents claim that Teresa had several jobs which she never had. Even when they were caught hiding assets in bankruptcy proceedings, they blame everyone else. Only in America can you steal millions of dollars, through fraud, get convicted of the theft, and keep your huge home, which was a product of your fraud. If they had any shame, they would sell that ridiculous looking house. But, they obviously are going to continue with their finger pointing and do everything they can to maintain this fake lifestyle. Shallow people can’t live authentic lives. It’s so frustrating to see all these people feeling sorry for this couple. Are you kidding me? They clearly don’t care about those who were victimized by Joe and Teresa. Sad!
Sorry Karen, just happened to find this in Spam folder. No idea why. 🙁
Preach it, TT!!
Bravo needs to do the right thing and put the victims on TV. Let them talk about the financial harm these two caused to the victims, their families and business.
Tamara Tattles, awesome distillation of the Guidice’s financial shit show. Just one question, was your source Jim Marchese?
Thank you TT for the summary and refresh on what went down with the bankruptcy and fraud. It was a long time ago so it’s hard to remember a lot of it. I do remember thinking how stupid they were for filing bankruptcy with bogus information and then trying to hide it by withdrawing the filing. I guess they both lack abstract thinking ability.
Everything I said in a previous post x1000! Idiots.