TMZ is claiming to have law enforcement sources in Fulton County, some 2,000 miles out of the thirty mile zone. Their source claims that authorities plan to charge Nick Gordon with involuntary man slaughter for procuring drugs for Bobbi Kriss on January 31, the morning she drowned in her bathtub. If they were charging a drug dealer the would more likely start with second degree murder, in my opinion.
The initial autopsy was inconclusive due to the six month period of Krissi being in a coma/vegetative state for six months before passing. Yet, TMZ is claiming that, “toxicology reports will only determine if she was under the influence and not who supplied the drugs.” It seems unlikely that they could have a test that would give an accurate account of the level of drugs in her system when she was left alone to drown.
However, back in early February, Max Lomas was reported to have been in the home with his girlfriend at the time that Krissi died. He supposedly came over with his girlfriend and was there at 10 am when the cable guy showed up. He let the cable guy into the bedroom to fix the cable reception and it was then that Max discovered Krissi face down in the bathtub. He supposedly pulled her out and Nick cleaned up some blood before they called the police. This coupled with the information in the civil suit that Krissi had two teeth knocked out could be more evidence of guilt.
Max Lomas is facing two felony drug charges that apparently happened a couple weeks before Krissi drowned. Max has been saying he would roll over on Nick in exchange for immunity in his two drug cases (one of which happened after his girlfriends parents contacted police claiming Max was drugging their daughter and holding her hostage. She said she was fine, but they did find enough pot and Xanax to arrest him on drug charges,) and immunity in the Bobbi Kristina case. TMZ is reporting today that authorities are willing to give him an immunity deal in exchange for testifying against Nick. He will get probation on the drug charges and immunity regarding whatever cover-up occurred in the house on the day Krissi drowned.
If TMZ’s sources are right, I don’t see them really having a case against Nick. Usually in this type of case the dealer is arrested. If two people buy the drugs together and two of them take it and one dies, it seems that charging the other person with a crime related to the death would be rather ridiculous. If it could be proven that Nick injected her, then perhaps there is a case. With Krissi officially dying six months after the event, I don’t see how they will have evidence of the amount of drugs in her body at the time she died. She was hydrated and her body was still technically alive for six months which would remove a lot of the evidence needed to prove an overdose.
Unless Max testifies that Nick called him to come over because Krissi was dead, or that he was there the whole night and can testify to him physically abusing her while they were both high, I don’t see much of a case here.
Just more sad news.
Hopefully when she was taken to the hospital initially they did some kind of tox screen to see what was in her system and they are not publicizing it so as not to jeopardize the integrity of the case.
My heart aches for this child. The only saving grace to any of this circus is that she is not in pain any longer and that she doesn’t have to witness the clusterf**k that will now be her legacy. She’s being buried on Monday up here in NJ. My brother works near the cemetery cemetery where Whitney is buried and where her daughter will soon join her. Pretty tight around the general area where the media circus is ramping up.
I pray that mother and daughter are now together and that neither is suffering any longer <3
Thank you. I wonder if the hospital would have done blood work with a tox screen when she was admited back in January
I sure hope so. I assume they took pics and did blood work, but you never know…
I have to believe that the original hospital did run a tox screen. I also think that it’s possible that BK OD’d elsewhere and that they placed her in the tub to make it look like she drowned or committed suicide on her own. I do believe that Nick and his friends had some responsibility in BK’s death although I also believe that she demanded the drugs and wanted them. I don’t think that anyone forced drugs into her. As for the physical signs of vlolence, they could have come from one or two types of interaction…the attempts to revive her could have knocked teeth out (the endotracheal tube often does this and the handling by first responders can cause broken bones and bruises. This is a tough one to prove. I don’t know if anyone will ever really know what actually happened. I have participated in a “code” and have seen broken ribs as a result of resuscitation efforts. Many patients later complained of pain, bruising after being resuscitated.
They reported that this guy Stephen Stepho who was their drug dealer died early July.
This is just sad. Frankly Nick is a victim as well. If the family is looking for someone to blame they should look in the mirror.
True words.
I tend to agree that Nick is a mess and not a murderer. I think that he certainly didn’t help BK in any way but that he didn’t kill her.
Regarding the knocked out teeth, it is possible the teeth were damaged during the process of emergency intubation. Nick’s lawyers may argue that this is the reason for loss of teeth.
Um, NO. The teeth were knocked out before/when she drowned. You don’t knock out teeth with intubation. That happens in the trachea.
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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This was given as a possible explanation for the missing teeth by a physician on Anderson Cooper.
I think I broke a rule here. I am usually very careful. Sorry.
My mother had a tooth knocked out during intubation.
Of course she did.
I once ODed, drowned in a bathtub and died six months later.
Here we go…
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Actually, you can knock teeth out when placing a tube down the throat. It can be a very difficult procedure and I have heard of lost teeth as a result. The tube is often forcefully placed to get an immediate airway and the concern is for the patient to breathe not to retain their teeth. It happens.
The tube has to pass the teeth to get into the trachea. It is possible and if it occurred during intubation, it would’ve been recorded in the chart. Also there would’ve been blood work and a urine tox screen when she was brought into the ER initially. I’m an ER RN at a trauma center in DC. Those are both standard labs when someone is brought in after being found unconscious.
What about the accident she had a couple days prior? Was she injured enough to go to the ER? To have a head injury that was undiagnosed? Any missing teeth would’ve been documented then although bruising may not have been evident then or would’ve gotten worse over time…
In my experience drug addicts are the most uncooperative and impatient patients. She may not have even stayed long enough to be thoroughly checked out after the accident to rule out a bleed…
The medical records will answer a lot of questions the authorities have.
Thank you both for affirming teeth can be knocked out during intubation. TT put me down when I said my mother lost teeth/tooth during her heart attack and they performed intubation and put her on a ventilator. I have no idea when BK lost her teeth and probably no one will ever really know. It’s very sad. BTW TT I’m very sorry to hear you OD’d, went into a coma and died 6 months later. Enjoy reading your blogs and they r your blogs so you can say whatever you want. Right or wrong–say whatever you want.
Wasn’t she in a bad car accident right before she drowned and they were saying that could be responsible for the teeth. But I assume if she got medical care afterwards that would be noted.
It would be documented in the med record if the teeth were fractured putting in a trach and the doctors can tell too. If the teeth are knocked out it would be noted several times in the record…definitely.. Especially if it was done by ems..also..where were the teeth found? Surely not swallowed if she was unconscious.. Too many unanswered questions….here..teeth don’t just disappear…
Round two of the circus has begun. 🙁
Oh there will be more…. next comes the leak of casket photos, cemetery scenes, criminal and civil charges, suicide threats from Nick, etc.
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Oh God, good points, here we go.I had seen, like you, that he had knocked one tooth out then another. There were witnesses. Allegedly.
I been waitingbon the suicide threats….
Truth be told, i believe he killed Whitney…fucked wit her drugs and she O.D….
So that Bobbi Kris could get the $$…
Then he offed Bobbi Kris…but was to dumb to realize he had no legal ties to the $$
I agree, TT. A case against Nick Gordon without many avenues to “reasonable doubt” appears to be unlikely. Although, in our sadness to see this young woman lose her life, we tend to turn sinners into saints, a decent defense attorney won’t forget Bobbi Kristina used and abused alcohol and drugs on a regular basis…allegedly…because she was an addict with money surrounded by enablers…allegedly.
The Family should have done a Toxicology Report as soon as the body was found in the Tub….
Im no specialist but couldnt that have been done??
Especially if foul play was suspected
Is it possible that they took a blood or urine sample when she was first admitted and held onto that as evidence of what was in her system at the time of the drowning?
I wonder if the cable guy was called to be a witness when the body was “found”? Except it wasn’t a body because she was still alive but unresponsive. On the other hand, how can one guarantee when the cable guy is going to show up? The plot thickens.
Yes, cable guys are known for there prompt responses to an issue. So if you just killed someone, they are great people to call to discover the body. They will definitely show up within the hour.
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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bwahahaha! You kill me with your accuracy! They would have had to call Comcast at least a week in advance and agree to kill her in an 8 hour window! But if Comcast was late they would at least get $20 for their efforts.
The next time I kill my ATM (All That Money) I’ll call Time Warner immediately.
Brilliant….perfect sarcasm.
I think they have a stronger case for fraud/embezzlement (or whatever the stealing of money charge would officially be.)
There is no doubt in my mind that if she took drugs, she did so willingly.
Isn’t Bobby sober? (as in really worked a program, unlike Kim R) I hope he has some people around him to help him maintain sobriety – if anything would take you off the rails, this would.
I agree, Erica, the fraud/embezzlement stuff would be much easier to prove.
They are going to have a lot of reasonable doubt to overcome in a manslaughter case.
And if a toxicology report was done when she was initially brought in, we would have heard about that by now. Maybe not the results just yet, but it would have been included in the initial autopsy report as a source of information.
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Has the entire autopsy report been released? Actually, now that I think about it – wouldn’t it be help a manslaughter case if she WASN’T on drugs at the time of her drowning?
I also reread your post – there was mention of them cleaning up blood. I wonder if we’re talking small amounts from her mouth, or something else.
Usually cable appts are always set up in advance. She was a young addict that made some bad decisions. If she was Jane Doe, the police wouldnt waste their time. Im just not buying that Nick killed her. Did they argue, sure they did frequently. My guess is drugs and alcohol made her pass out. Let the clowns out for the circus to begin.
Well first, there were labs collected upon first medical care. And subsequent labs to monitor organ functions. BK already had a drug history as well as the boyfriend, so believe me it was looked at. Hipa lae prohibits release of such information. Most professionals, or medi cal personnel aren’t going to jeopardize their careers, livelihood or freedom to entice the morbid curiosity of the public. And as far as the law goes, however ridiculous as it may seem; there do seem to be elements here to make a manslaughter charge. Indictments are coming. As a former prosecution attorney, I will say it will get very cloudy before anyone had any clarification. If we truly ever have any at all.
HIPPA LAWS protect PHI during their lifetime (and in some states for 50 years after death) except when the law becomes involved. Then the PHI can be released, particularly to the coroner to determine cause of death. I’ve followed many cases in which the autopsy has been released to the press. The autopsy will include and make mention of any toxicology panels that were run that are relative to the COD. We have yet to see the full autopsy but we have had an initial report that was inconclusive an no toxicology reports were referenced. That doesn’t mean they were not done, it just seemed of interest to me that none were mention.
As a former coroner, nuclear physicist, prosecutor, and the Queen Mother of England I know all of this to be true.
“Hipa lae” is killing me. Metaphorically.
Thanks!! I am rolling on the floor, so funny, my husband just asked if I was okay, noe…just noe!! I love you guys!!
TT since you are Queen Mother of England, do we all need to curtsy or genuflect upon entering now? Most of us aren’t British citizens but as you say this is your site. Lmao Haven’t looked over the rules in a while and didn’t know if a new one had been added.
“As a former coroner, nuclear physicist, prosecutor, and the Queen Mother of England….” Lolololol. Hysterical! Well-stated sarcasm directed at every so-called authority who claims to know it all!!
Lol. “Hipa lae”. A former prosecutor can’t spell HIPAA LAWS. Lol
Thank you dear you just worked my diaphragm with that one.
OR may be I’m wrong and that’s Latin. Lol
I do not mean this disrespectfully, but this seems just like Whitney looking Diane Sawyer in the eyes, and millions of viewers as well, and saying she didn’t do crack. “Crack is whack,” she said. Who knows what happens in drug addicts’ minds? Pour in gallons of alcohol and anything could have happened, A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G! I’m sure that her grandmother, and even mean ole Pat, thought that she needed help and they would have time. Just such a sad story and deja vu all over again.
Oh, and go the financial route with Nick. The family is more likely to get their pound of flesh, and less skeletons will fall out of Bobbi Kriss’ closet.
Unless they have substantially more evidence than this tmz article is saying, this is a waste of taxpayers money. I mean she had a drug problem, and was in an accident two days prior. Unless they have video evidence or found his journal entry laying it out, it seems very speculative to me.
I also think it would be unethical to try this case without more. Juries convict all the time when there is substantial reasonable doubt. And with such a high profile case, and how unlikable Nick is, it would not surprise me if he was found guilty regardless of the gaps in evidence.
Well what kind of case Fulton Co has against Nick depends primarily on what the drug dealer says I would think…otherwise, I don’t see a case with what has been stated so far..not with the history of drug abuse…but I thought the autopsy report had to state a homicide in order to charge anyone.. .not a lawyer, but something is missing here.
The drug dealer died ( I think of an OD) a month or two ago.
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 12:03 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I remember when this first began and Max Lomas almost immediately changed his story, lawyered up and started cooperating with the authorities. That was something that kind of made me go hmmm. Then I thought yeah right what self respecting drug dealer caught in the middle of this kind of situation wouldn’t lie to get immunity for his pending drug cases and any involvement in the Bobbi Kristina drowning. So who is to know if anything this man has to say remotely resembles the truth. i’m curious to hear his whole story and if any of it can be verified.
Max is a pot dealer, the heroin dealer is the one that died. Max used to live with the dead dealer for a bit I think. They were all friends.
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 12:15 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Just a thought, but could they be basing this on initial tox screens from when they first brought her in or no? Thanks for all your coverage of this very tragic news
Good point Deby,..if the tox screening picked up a certain amount of the killer drug.. It could be a drug level so high that the killer drug could not be self-administered.
I’m so sorry. Did not read other comments before posting. My sincere apologies.
Sidebar- I am convinced that the fact that Pat H appears to be taking the lead with respect to planning the funeral for BK, is directly in line with the Houstons and BB having reached a financial settlement prior to the move to the hospice, with respect to the yet to be inherited portion of the WH estate – i.e. Pat pushed to run the funeral as part of the settlement, as there is no other reason that she would be taking the lead in this, given that BB is the direct heir and biological Dad of BK. Heck Pat is only related by MARRIAGE …not by blood.