I spent the last three hours watching The Bachelorette finale with one eye and the Big Brother live feeds. Recapping RHOOC was not even on my radar. My reaction to this season of The Bachelorette is Canada is not as nice to us as I thought. The repeat is on now and I’m not sure I will be able to contribute much to this show, but I wanted you guys to have a place to chat.
It’s always weird to me to watch a show after someone who filmed has died. I guess Meghan is going to be stuck with the kid who is a senior in High School for five minutes until she flies the coop. This is an interesting situation. Housewives husbands and minor children do not get paid. But adult children do. Haley is not the child of a housewife. I wonder if she is getting a check for this? Because the thought is the mother will spread the money to her children, but Meghan has no money other than Bravo and Hayley is not her kid. Since Andy is in love with all things Cardinals, I’d bet this kid is being paid to be on camera with Meghan. It’s probably not a great idea to give a young woman whose mother just passed a lot of discretionary money. I am just saying.
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Random Thoughts:
Why do they even make food for these OC bitches? They make themselves throw up after smelling a French fry.
Meghan is still a cunt.
I still love Shannon. Crazy loves crazy.
I hate Shannon’s therapist.
I hope Shannon strangles Meghan in Tahiti.
I hate watching these morons pack for travel.
LOL and Jim and Hayley Facetiming Meghan from the lake.
I like Heather’s outfit at the airport. Lizzie’s tight white pants…not so much.
I didn’t know Tahiti has their own Airline. It must be a west coast thing. I used to be a gate agent at Hartsfield and I never saw Tahiti air.
Meghan is a cunt.
I feel like I am pretty well traveled. I’d guess I’ve been to over 35 countries. I’ve never heard of Mo’orea. Mo’orea is a high island in French Polynesia, one of the Windward Islands, part of the Society Islands, 17 kilometres northwest of Tahiti, accordint to Wikipedia. It looks lovely.
What I do know about is Tahitian black pearls. If I were Heather, I’d get them. While I am the most into traditional gender roles person left on planet Earth, all of these women make mid six figures from Bravo PLUS some of them have other jobs. If you want to drop 10K on a Tahitian pearl or two in Tahiti, do it. I dropped almost half that before while fucking teaching school. It’s not a big deal to these people. At least it shouldn’t be to me. Two things, vacations and jewelry are splurges for me. Okay and maybe cheese. 🙂 But 10K for a ring or a necklace when you make mid six figures? Why is this even a question? They can afford it from their own check. OTOH, if I was a trophy wife, with no Bravo check, I’d never buy anything without permission.
I love how Tamra just called Meghan a gold digger.
Why does Meghan think that bandana looks good? Is she trying to be a rapper? It’s ridiculous on someone of her age.
I love Vicki calling out Meghan.
Next Week: Meghan can’t understand why her relationship with the kid she has known for five minutes is not the same as the one she has with her mother.
I skipped OC tonight so El Esposo and I could watch Jessica Lange in her Oscar nominated role in Frances, in which a famous actress copes with mental illness, societal pressure to conform, and Mommy issues almost as bad as Sybil’s (Kim Stanley played the mother. Kim Stanley was nominated for an Oscar for Best Supporting. Kim Stanley lost to Jessica Lange, who won for Tootsie. Jessica Lange was nominated the same year for Best Actress for this movie and did not win)
Why did I spend a paragraph describing what I did rather than watch OC? Because that’s how much I care about OC right now. Between people dying(Vickie’s mother), about to die (Hayley’s mother), or maybe dying (in Brooks case) and Shannon and Tamra’s marriages dying, I just needed to step back. Even on vacation, all joy is sucked from the room when the OC ladies enter.
I usually watch Frances whenever it comes around. I caught the first half the other day on RetroPlex or whatever channel. Yes, Lange is great in it, but I watch it for Kim Stanley, who is one of THE greatest actresses of the 20th century (like, only 2 or maybe 3 others even come close). The fact that Lange won the Oscar that year over Stanley is a crime – and one of Oscar’s many WTF? moments.
And while I’m O/T, and since you brought up Frances, I think they filmed the wrong bio-pic. Although Frances Farmer’s is an interesting story, she never made much of a dent in Hollywood and made no important films that became classics. If not for this film, who today would even know her name?
The film they should have made, (and STILL should) is Gene Tierney’s story. She was a major star who made many films that became classics, and her story has everything: beauty, stardom, and riches; mental illness, family and personal tragedy; (one incident was the basis for Agatha Christie’s “The Mirror Crack’d From Side to Side”) romances (Oleg Cassini, JFK), and unlike Farmer, a true-life happy ending.
Maybe I should be a film producer. Sonja Morgan can teach me I’m sure…
I love Gene Tierney. “I shall never forget the weekend Laura died” is probably the best opening line of a movie ever! However, I know nothing about her life. Your post has me ready to rush to AmazonSmile. Thank you, Ericzku.
Sorry, Tamara. I did try to watch OC tonight. It’s just so sad. I only made it to Meghan’s party. Lordy, she just makes my skin crawl.
I’ve seen Francis a few times. It’s a good movie, but it’s quite disturbing.
Gene Tierney, OMG yes they need to do her bio.
LOVE Gene Tierney. “Leave Her to Heaven” is my all time fave! I watch it every time it is on. My husband thinks I’m nuts. And I hate Meghan. She is the worst.
I love Gene Tierney too, this post made me check up on the Cassini estate battle and sadly her daughter Christina died in April. There has to be a special place in hell for Mariane Nestor. I hope Gene Tierney’s grandchildren get their money and that soul sucking bitch has to pay all the laywer’s fees.
I met Gene Tierney in my grandmother’s home in 1979. She had been married to my grandmother’s uncle, Howard Lee. I was a teenager and didn’t know she had been a famous actress, but she was very tiny, absolutely lovely, most comforting to a high school kid who lost her grandmother too soon, too suddenly. She seemed very fragile, and I had the sense that she had known tragedy too well in her life. Ms. Tierney was still beautiful, soft spoken, ladylike, and impeccably dressed. She was incredibly sweet to my mother and me. Don’t know that this has anything to do with anything except to think of the contrast in generations; there is a crudeness in most of today’s celebrities, and a hardness; Ms. Tierney was 100% class and grace, a real lady from another time…
What a wonderful memory, Ann. Thank you for sharing it.
Speaking of, TCM is doing à Gene Tierney marathon in Saturday.
Ooh thanks for the Gene Tierney heads up! Will get my DVR rolling.
I finally gave up and googled Gene Tierney at first I thought y’all were talking about the host of match game until 40 comments later when I learned about her pregnancy and rubella and how often she shaved her armpits.
Anyway. I googled. You people are OLD and I have no idea how this got started.
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 3:17 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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We are old! 🙂 Go watch Laura.
Thanks to Turner Classics one doesn’t actually need to be old to know these movies and stars, but it doesn’t hurt! I am old and love it.
Honey, while you’re at it, don’t miss “Leave Her to Heaven”. Also catch”The Ghost and Mrs. Muir”. The latter has Natalie Wood when she was just a child.
Most depressing HW season so far.
Luckily I’m stuck in a chalet up a mountain so no cable up here to watch it.
Shannon Holistic Beador pops antibiotics because according to her she is coughing up black tar. In which case she should be rushed to the emergency room. Nope, now it is green. But she puts herself on antibiotics (?) assuming she has a virus, and we all know that antibiotics have no effect on viruses. Now, I fear for her children’s health. She is nuts. David, once again can’t do anything right and he looks like he wants to impale himself in marriage therapy. Why doesn’t this lady have an office? David seems like an easy-going friendly and nice man, and she doesn’t like him very much. I personally think he should get a divorce
as you only live once. Vicky got pretty preachy about gold-diggers considering she is with Brooks, Meghan is just dumb and obnoxious and amazingly, Shannon is well enough in the morning to go out. Very Boring stuff.
Yeah… Who carries around antibiotics? Hypochondriacs do.
And the way she told Vicki… It was as if she just found out she had cancer.
A chalet? I wanna go to the chalet, too. Don’t make me go all Veruca Salt on you.
It is named ‘Blowhard’ at Mt Hotham.
Perfect name for me. 🙂
Micheal. Chalet. Poor baby, your life is difficult!
A chalet in Australia? Snow?? Lucky!!
WWHL, Meghan is exactly what she appears to be on the OC, a twit. Can’t do it any longer, fast forwarded through the entire show.
I can’t get over that Meghan is on WWHL tonight. Shouldn’t she be with her family and providing stability and comfort to her step-daughter. It seems so inappropriate and self-serving and insensitive.
Andy doesn’t seem too into Meghan. Was it just me or did anyone else notice ?
It’s not just you.
Could it be the complete absence of a personality, perhaps?
I thought Andy was going to kiss her ass due to her being JimEdmonds wife and Andy being obsessed with the Cardinals. But I was pleasantly surprised to see her in the second chair and Andy rather oblivious to her.
He seems to dislike her, lol. Anyone detect very mild shade in some comments? I loved seeing him actually disliking someone for once. I want to see his claws come out a little.
I noticed that as well. But he’s friends with Jimmy, so he didn’t make her cry, lol
I have to watch on Amazon now because we no longer have cable, I hate missing WWHL! I’ll have to go look online. Glad that Andy doesn’t seem too into Meghan – I have also assumed he was going to suck up to the twit on WWHL and on the reunion. This now gives me hope that he could actually hold her feet to the fire at least a little bit on the reunion. Worst thing on reunion shows is waiting for someone to be held accountable and then they get thrown softballs.
So, either he has a clue that Jim actually isn’t that into Meghan and she won’t be Mrs. Edmonds much longer. Or, he just really dislikes Meghan to the extent that her being the current Mrs. Edmonds can’t overshadow the pure dislike almost every human has for someone who acts like a non-human bitchbot.
Meghan’s bandana reminds ME of that woman on QVC, who sold Quacker Factory crap.
I just choked on my coffee kaughing OMG yes!!! You just made my month!
It looked like one of those towel turbans you use to dry your hair lmao Why on EARTH was she wearing that??? It was distracting me from hating her adquately lol
Her voice is very mannish, too. The way she was snapping back at Vicki, she sounded tweeked she was speaking so fast and so curtly. Granted Vicki was totally grilling her, but I enjoyed it because I hate Meghan. Vicki did have a point, though- if you’re wife number 3, it stands to reason you should have a backup plan in case you find yourself ex-wife number 3. maybe quitting the career wasn’t such a hot move, but that’s her choice to make.
Shannon has more funny/personality in one of her “judgey eyes” than Meghan has in her entire body and then some. I love Shannon’s talking heads, she’s hilarious, but Meghan. Oof. Just be quiet and go away because you’re really not even pleasing to look at. I am a thin woman myself, and women can be self conscious of that too so I try not to point fingers at anybody’s weight for any reason, but she is almost alarmingly skinny. It doesn’t look naturally thin, it looks emaciated. She grates on my every nerve, especially with her childishly stubborn insistence that she “won’t back down ever”, you mean, admit perhaps you were rude, hurt someone’s feelings and apologize? Oh, right. Why should you do that.
Shae,
“It was distracting me from hating her adequately”
Funniest thing I’ve read all day. LOL.
Yes @Shae! Ahhhh, I love everything you wrote here. I was talking out loud to my TV, “At least her big eyes have personality, bitch! You have beady, non-human eyes.” Seriously, Shannon at least shows beauty, warmth and real emotions in those eyes. If eyes are the window to the soul, it make sense because Meghan’s are dead and lifeless. And, Tamra’s comment about crazy eyes – well, Tamra has bitch eyes. I think I would rather have bitch eyes than Meghan’s dead eyes though.
Oh, the bandana. “Distracting me from hating her adequately.” Yeh, it’s like I almost (almost) felt sorry for her because of how ridiculous it looked. But, every time I start to feel sorry for this chick, she does something to make me “adequately hate her” again.
I also don’t hate on Meghan because she’s skinny. I think she assumes that any hate she gets is because she thinks she’s so damn attractive. I used to be overly thin up until a few years ago (early 30s) and I know some metabolisms are just crazy fast. There are a lot of attractive women on TV – in previews I thought some shots of Meghan made her look stunning. But, she’s definitely a Monet (aging myself with a 90s girl saying). She should rethink her “won’t back down ever” tantrums and take a look at the real reasons people have such a horrible, visceral reaction to her. It’s not beauty.
And, @TT: loved “I still love Shannon. Crazy loves crazy.” and “I hope Shannon strangles Meghan in Tahiti.”
When Shannon isn’t whining and STILL nagging David about the affair, I like her a lot. Not to be totally unfeeling though, I don’t know if I could stay with someone that screwed around on me. It would be really, really hard to put the pieces back together again. Now when Shannon is just being herself without David in the mix, she’s a lot of fun. I like her particular brand of zany, and I really like their kids. Poor Shannon was just sitting there, listening to Meghen yap, and gets told she has ‘judgie eyes’…lol…’judgie eyes’. Um, no, I don’t think Shannon does, but Vicki does. Vicki has already judged Meghen and Meghen is a gold digger in her eyes. I can’t imagine Vicky ever warming up to Meghen, which is good, because maybe the OG from the OC will have some pull in getting rid of her next season. Meghen is not a good fit for this show. Andy can take the whole St. Louis Cardinal team and put it where the sun don’t shine. NO MORE MEGHEN.
It sounds like Jim needed a full time babysitter more than a wife. Although when he married Meghen, she signed on for the babysitter job, and he can bang her with the kid in the house, so maybe there was a method to his madness, A two for one kind of deal, but he may be stuck with her for a while.
Vicki always hates the newer, cute (and younger) blondes it seems. And she really hates it when women don’t work and live off of their husbands. She gets riled about that. Lots of women don’t work and lots of RICH women don’t work, and get to spend their husbands money (some get to spend loads of money). I don’t see how it’s any of her business. I think it’s a bit of jealousy, considering she has had to work so hard for her money. And maybe it bugs her a little if Brook’s doesn’t provide much.
I still think Shannon is crazy. She is just too high strung for me. Why did she get bent on David during the Newly Wed Game? He answered “less romantic”. She was totally offended by that. I didn’t get that at all. Being around The Bickerson’s all the time would be a nightmare.
I know everyone hates Meghan. I think I am the only one here who is just indifferent to her. She’s just kind of blah to me.
Tamra is way cooler this season. She must be on her best behavior after her ugly shit last year.
Pip ~ Oh yeah, Vicki is a total shrew with the newcomers, and especially a NON-WORKING (oh, the horror!) newcomer. She’s real hard like that, although I tend to agree with her money spending ethic, but it really isn’t any of her business how Meghen and Jim spend Jim’s money. Jealousy has to play some part in Vicki being so judgmental concerning women that don’t work. I admit to being biased toward Vicki because of my dislike for Meghen…I just like watching her squirm. I’m so mean 😉
I think Vicki likes to make more than her man and chooses them for this reason (or one of the reasons). She doesn’t like the idea of being a kept woman and despises such behavior. At the same time, I think she wishes she had a man to take care of her. Who doesn’t?
According to her blog, Shannon has mentioned to all the ladies that David has said he feels their relationship is so more romantic now than it ever was and he never thought they could be in such a place, etc. So she felt stupid when he said “less romantic” in front of everyone in the game, because it contradicted what he told her, and what she told the ladies. She said it made her look like a liar or foolish.
And swear to God, G-Snap- I thought the same thing about Meghan and Jim. Basically he married someone who could be the hot nanny he can bang. Sounds like he is an absentee dad and husband.
He needed a beard not a babysitter.
Also – I agree about Shannon and David. He cheated which is horrible, but listening to her go on and on about it is torture to me. Imagine how her kids and family feel?
She may well be his beard, but he still doesn’t even like Meghan. They’ve moved 6 times, she’s been with him less than 50% of the time since they married, and Jim and his child are constantly laughing @ her in the scenes she is in on the show. Still, she hectors the wives she doesn’t like…Shannon & Vicki. She doesn’t look smart to me although she tried to cover her not working now with what she was doing, pharma sales I think she said. Have they said whether she and Jim have a prenup b/c that’s going to be very important to her sooner rather than later?
I think he needed a beard and a babysitter. My husband is a sports guy. I asked him a bit about Jim Edmonds the other week and gave him my way shortened version of how wife #3 and Jim are coming across on television. He’s actually a little bit of an ass like Jim when it comes to not paying attention so I’m not going to discuss HW with him. I will listen to an hour long description of a sporting event or hunting trip but I get about 60 seconds in return. So…yeh. HW isn’t what I’m using the 60 seconds – that’s for my girlfriends. If Meghan was a more likeable person, I would probably be relating to her and liking her for having to also deal with a dick husband. But, no, Jim is a dick and Meghan is beyond horrible so she deserves it.
Anyways, when I told my husband that a lot of people think Jim is gay and using his wives as beards, he was like, “Yup – totally makes sense. I get that impression from him too.” He couldn’t really put his finger on it, he just thought he gave off that vibe and wasn’t surprised people would think this and that there’s a very good chance it’s true. Jim, there’s a lot of love out there for diversity right now – even in sports (even good ‘ol baseball). This is your year! Quit dealing with such a horrid wife just to stay under cover. And, if you really are straight, there are a lot of hot, young blondes out there who actually have some brains and a heart. You had to have had better options (male or female).
I had a bf of 2 years cheat on me and i’ll tell you forgiveness and moving on would not have happened, I can’t imagine trying to move past a spouse of god knows how long’s infidelity. We have no idea until we have been there and i takes epic strength and will to even TRY to repair that and live with that pain. So I give Shannon tons of credit and I think it’s unfair to blame her for “whining” ie: expressing her feelings to her husband, because he got to go and screw around, do whatever he wanted, tear their family up and shit all over their marriage- now she’s supposed to get over it in x amt of days or else she’s a nag? She’s being proactive, she’s trying harder than most women ever would, and she loves him- he should be grateful all he gets is her emotional side and not what some women would give him lol
I agree with you Shae. It is a huge betrayal and very hard to forgive and easier to get divorced. I give credit to both of them for staying. Is it brave or stupid of them to allow us to watch? I cant decide. I am just rooting for them to make it. Oh yeah, and Meghan is a cunt.
I just keep agreeing with Shae comments over and over again 🙂 So, here’s more Shae Love! I sometimes get frustrated with Shannon for harping on certain things – but in the same way I would try to redirect one of my friends who I thought was hurting herself. I hate when people hate on her as a whiner too. I always assume positive with her – she’s dealing with a huge betrayal, she’s humbled herself on national television, she admits her mistakes. Shannon deserves a ton of credit and respect for tackling all this while raising three girls and trying to stay positive. Affairs wreak havoc on a woman’s self-worth, body image, feelings of being a fool and an idiot to have trusted. I can see why David could have felt “driven to cheat” over certain things, but he’s owning it and they are both taking the difficult road to repair this marriage (although it is more difficult for Shannon).
Bigger picture: women and men need to stop blaming wives for affairs (she must have been a nag, she must not have given him enough sex, the other woman must be incredible, the other woman must have all the things the wife is lacking, the wife must be frigid or dowdy). I was with a cheater once. After meeting a friend of a friend at a baby shower who had apparently heard about my situation and met my ex, she said, “I have to tell you, I was so surprised at how bright, fun and pretty you are – I was expecting you to be frumpy and quiet and ugly after I heard about what you put up with from XX.” Totally meant as a compliment – but how sad that we always assume it’s something the wife did and not just that the guy was an ass.
I wish Shannon and David a much brighter future together – I’m rooting for them too. I think they are both basically good people going through a rough time.
I think getting past an affair is easier than getting divorced, if theres still love left to build on. I know most believe divorce is easier, but I think divorce is really hard. Especially when theres children and you’re not real young anymore. The reason I think this is, if you divorce youll most likely end up alone or be unable to trust another guy any better. Youll have to probably see him with a new spouse and maybe more children with her, while you struggle to make ends meet, and have to deal with it at your children’s mile stones and events. I know several women who are sorry they didnt just forgive and work it out. I applaud Shannons efforts and think shes wise to not give up and lose her place in her family to somebody else. Of course if you hate the b astard or feel he hates you, then thats a different story.
If Shannon doesn’t forgive Jim, shut up about the affair, stop all her crap about the affair, Jim should walk.
A person can’t live like Shannon is making Jim live.
Meghan is a cunt – but Vicki is purposely being an idiot.
How many times does she have to explain to Vicki and Shannon that she moved out here to be there for her stepdaughter. (as delusional as Meghan is about how her relationship with her stepdaughter should be, at her stepdaughter’s age, to question that she loves her and that she is needed to help because Hayley’s mom isn’t in a condition to be with her full time is horrid. Quite frankly, it smacked of not believing that Hayley’s mom had cancer as much as questioning Brooke’s condition)
Oh, and her statements about women who don’t work also smack of jealousy. I hate her judgy attitude (ok… she might be right about Meghan, but seriously insulting to both Shannon and Heather. Heather and Terry make it work. Yes, I know Heather is an actress but that is sporatic, isn’t it?) It bothers me as much as those holier than thou stay at home moms who say snarky things about moms who work outside of the home.
Also… if I were Heather, I wouldn’t have answered “how much can you spend without calling Terry”. What a fucking rude question (even if she wasn’t getting a paycheck from Bravo). Heather has more class than me… I would have answered “Depends on the blowjob”. or something similar.
So in all… pretty much everyone but Heather and the bikini chick from last year pissed me off.
It was kinda rude of Vickie. Im sure theres an undercurrent of envy there. There usually is, when people say rude shit off the cuff, thats none of their concern. I do sort of agree with her philosophy though, but I wouldnt dream of pushing it off on someone else’s situation. Relationships dont come in just one size. I like Vickie, but shes the worst at criticizing and judging people, and then turning around and doing the very same thing, only worse. She should know better by now, but she just cant resist preaching.
Heather’s response to Vicki should of been “$10,000. And Vicki, how much can Brooks send before calling you?”
I totally agree. I’m not a fan of Meghan – I don’t hate her, but definitely not a fan. BUT it is none of Vicki’s business how their marriage works. Maybe she is actually being a nice stepmother and staying in California to help look after her step daughter. It’s more than plausible. It’s like Vicki is intentionally being obtuse on the subject so she can keep poking Meghan over it.
Vicki reminds me of the working moms vs. stay at home moms fights. Didn’t we conclude that women can decide for themselves, and to stop judging the other side? Again, if it works for Jim and Meghan, it’s none of Vicki’s business.
Vicki has enough going on with Brooks. I bet the other housewives can handle their affairs just fine without her input.
I’ve stopped recording it an haven’t watched in three weeks.
Bear Grylls with Kate Winslet
anytime over Meghan.
David Beador is so miserably unhappy that he looks like he’s physically in pain. I like Shannon when she’s with the ladies but it pains me to watch her with David. Nothing he says or does is right and she’s obviously forcing him to stay and endure the torture. He’s so miserable. I can’t blame him.
They both are so depressed, their relationship is a prime example of how divorce can be way better.
Yes, David does look to be in physical pain. When the therapist said they won’t be “right” after the affair for a couple years, I thought: omg, can you imagine listening to her about the affair for TWO MORE YEARS? I feel for her but that being said, dwelling the way she does isn’t helping.
They seriously have one of the most miserable marriages I have seen. David is just weird. We know Shannon is nutty, but David seems off to me much of the time.
I think what the therapist may have meant is, that it may take several years for the affair to not come up ,almost at all. While time will keep making it better and easier, it will be several years before it almost completly dies down 100 percent. I think thats about right and realistic and typical for most.
I agree that Meghan is the full in babysitter. Why is she trying so hard to be the girls mom? She’s 17! She’s out in a year and I’m guessing that meg will be too. She’s a glorified babysitter and the daughter doesn’t seem interested in being anything more. Im still thinking that she could be his beard too.
Every time someone says that the daughter is “out in a year” – I feel like Hayley is being regarded as a foster kid aging out of the system. Makes my heart hurt for her.
Any of us with older kids know they are not out at 18. Being a mom never ends. Roles change, but you’re always mom. Giving advice, offering support, loving them…it’s not an 18-year job.
Swizzle – I am sure that will be true for Hayley… but when I taught high school, there was one kid who had to get a part time job and start paying his parents’ rent when he turned 18, even though he was still finishing school, etc. So GOOD moms know it never ends.
Its a relationship for life for sure. If you dont consider it that way, youll crush your child, and you shouldn’t have been a mother. Of couse as time goes on, you must respect their choices and be more of a friend and supporter than a parent. But that doesnt mean a goodbye, it just means you understand your changing roles. Getting a child through college and into independent adulthood takes time and help and encouragement, in good and bad times. Then if and when grandchildren come, it changes again and you may be needed more again. Anyway, the point is you’re allways there in some form or another, and how you handle that is still important.
I find it almost more painful to watch Shannon and her weirdo, slimy husband, than even Vicky losing her mother(which was truly sad).
This is the season I’ve most liked Vicky, but am I the only one that is bugged by her “little girl” reaction to losing her mom(not the initial night she found out, but after)? I know its unfair to judge-but I find all the “bring her back” type shit annoying. Its like shit a 4/5 year old might say.
Meghan is just young, kind of dumb, and quite naive. Its as if she’s worked out, in her head, a persona that she thinks will play well on tv. Kind of like when someone new joins a group of old friends that know each other well and the newby tries to act too familiar, too quickly- they don’t know their place. They need to earn “their place at the table”! It’s just not working for her. Also, whoever in earlier posts alluded to the husband being gay-is spot on! Why, on earth, else would he marry someone he seems so disgusted by? I know good and well, my husband would not be disgusted by her! Plus, Jim’s an asshole, plain and simple! His daughter is one too. I realize her mom was dying, but she still comes off as an entitled little bitch. Just watched last weeks episode, you’d think-especially-with her mom being ill, she could’ve at least not been so snotty to her, of all people! Think she’ll regret that later on
Know I’m in the minority here but I like Heather. She’s smart, oddly pretty, funny and classy. Yes, “show-offy”, but, hell, I think I might be too, if I had that kind of money! Actually, I wouldnt , but it might be kind of fun for a bit.
Tamra, is pretty, funny, and crude-but would be a scary friend. Luanne was right, in this instance-money CAN’T buy you class! Her son is sooo creepy-god help that baby.
I’m sure you’ll all sleep better now, for my having shared my insights!!
I enjoyed your insights! This is the first season I’ve rather liked Heather. I think the real turning point came when she called Terry in the scene when Vicki’s mother died. I saw a vulnerability I’d never seen before, and that she really loved her husband…it was nice.
Agreed on Heather, Gingersnap, but if she goes Team Meghan against Vicky and Shannon, then she is dirt to me.
I’ve always liked Heather until this year. The whole child still sucking a pacifier and being carried all over is really creepy to me.
I’ve seen through Heather for a while – I can’t remember if I liked her the first season or not. Her treatment of Shannon last year was horrible. Although I appreciated seeing a human side to her when she called Terry…not enough to make up for all the other grossness. I find myself almost unable to say out loud, “Shut up, Heather” at almost everything coming out of her mouth.
Agreed, Meghan is young, dumb and naive. But like Jim, she too is an asshole. I’ve felt they were a perfect match from the start. Her entitled handling of Shannon spoke volumes about her expectations of never being called on the carpet for her mistakes.
To me, the daughter is acting like a lot of 17yo’s who are trying to find their way and it comes across with a lot of callousness. It’s like they suddenly wield a bit of “power” but don’t know how to handle that size car yet. Add the impending loss of a parent and some redirected anger you get a mean teenager.
@Ralee – I take it your mom is still alive? I lost my mother 4 1/2 years ago and cried that I wanted her back and I wanted her to wake up. So yeah – it’s you.
I thought it was a bit harsh too. I would be way worse than Vicki in that situation. I dread it happening.
You’re right, she is still here. And, yes, bitchy.
Agree with Skeeter and Michael here, Ralee. Super harsh. I am dreading the day I lose my parents I’m not saying that people who DON’T react that way don’t love their parents as much…but I’m saying there are some of us who have such a bond and closeness that we just couldn’t help but completely lose our marbles when that day comes. Vicki is an emotional person, makes sense to me that she would be that emotional and verbal when expressing her raw grief.
And, lol, I think you and I disagree on just about every person you wrote about in your comment. Oh well 😉 I think Meghan is more than just young and naïve, I think she’s, well…how TT sums her up in her posts (plus mean, cruel and manipulative). Jim is an ass and probably is using Meghan as a beard, but I actually think my husband would be disgusted by Meghan.
Heather, Heather: “Know I’m in the minority here but I like Heather. She’s smart, oddly pretty, funny and classy. Yes, “show-offy”, but, hell, I think I might be too, if I had that kind of money!” I don’t like or dislike people because I think they’re pretty (or even oddly pretty). And being smart or funny falls short with me if it comes with an even bigger dose of being a totally arrogant asshat with a huge helping of obnoxious and manipulative.
I have lost both of my parents. It’s a huge hole that I will never be able to fill. I totally related to Vicki’s reaction and cried through the entire scene. I have a hunch most people had a similar reaction!
I agree with everything you wrote LOL .. This whole season is really starting to freak me out a bit. And Jim is for sure gay, the bar he hangs out at is called ” The man Hole ” and he looks like he is wearing eye liner, his face is waxy. David has aged 20 years and lost a lot of weight he looks suicidal to me. He missis his mistress is what I think went home because of the guilt he was having over his children but found out that its the same ole same ole and wants out.
I think Shannon is nuts, I feel really bad for her because she seems to be unable to be happy. David is a dick for cheating, I hate cheaters. But i feel like she is trying to slowing kill him and his spirit for the hurt she has caused him. It does take 2 to make a marriage work and she seems to be such a controlling nag that he lost his shit. Whatever… Vickie is ignorant, she made several statements that i cannot remember now that show how crass she is, it was like that family van freak out she had where she went off all nasty about Asians and how they speak. It was her “rude American” travel shit, the you don’t know what whoop it up is, that was one. That and the fact that no man has ever provided for her, she has provided for them and that pisses her off. Yes she has done well for herself and she has built a great business and she should be proud but she is also a little bitter I think. Tamra is still a cunt. Love Lizzie. Meghan, poor girl is young and swimming in the deep end and she is about to drown. She also has bitchy resting face. Watching Heather pack just about killed me, Who the fuck does that? omg
I wish they’d stop sending Vicki out of the country. She’s such an embarrassment. Woman, embrace the experience and new cultures. Don’t act like a fool.
Correct me if I’m wrong – but isn’t Vicki’s daughter a stay at home housewife whose husband goes away for work (ok… I know that Jim isn’t fighting for our country, but his job requires him to go back and forth right now.) He can afford to not have his wife work and devote her time to helping out in a terrible situation with his children’s mother. Besides, Vicki insists that Jim and Meghan should be together more – yet Meghan should also be working full time. Seems to me it would be one or the other….
Jeez… no wonder Vicki’s marriages failed.
IIRC she was an ER nurse who now has an infant and toddler. Staying home on an enlisted military salary isn’t easy. Maybe it’s why they are coming on the show later in the season.
She’s lucky she’s a nurse because she can find work anywhere if she so chooses, some people have careers/jobs that aren’t so easy to pickup and find near military bases. At least she has the option of going back to work and making good money if the family needs it. A nurse’s salary is definitely going to be higher than enlisted military.
I know it isn’t easy – but my point is that Vicki is bashing the very choices her daughter and her husband have made for their kids. Meghan could have continued in her field – but California probably wasn’t an option, and where would Hayley have been then?
There are no pharmaceutical sales reps in California?
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 6:53 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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This show is so damned depressing. Only fun part is watching Vicky go after Cunty Meghan. Vicky is an artist. On top of Shannon being new and 30 and having no business being on the show, Vicky is pissed at how Meghan hurt Shannon. I will probably fast forward everything else for the rest of the season.
Of all the things Vicki could go after Meghan for, she chose a weak issue.
Next week looks better – Vicki doesn’t like how Meghan talks/whines about her step kids. That is a better topic to take issue with.
Agreed, it was week. I am guessing, Vicky will use any reason to go after Meghan. Meghan is new. Meghan is a cunt. Meghan hurt Shannon. I am guessing Vicky is going to be relentless.
30? Goog says she was born in 1964.
That whole don’t spend your husbands money shit was tired. It is not up to Vicki to call anyone a gold digger or to determine how much money a wife can spend. She of all people should have grasped the concept of “community property” in a marriage, given the large check she wrote Don when they divorced. All of the ladies are pulling down a six figure check from Bravo, if they want to buy something, they should be able to.
I agree completely. They are pathetic, vg leading the way
I agree. It’s not Vicki’s place to judge.
I think the large check that she wrote to Donn is the root of her attitude. She resents the hell out of the fact that she had to give him a chunk of “her money”. (Never mind the fact that Donn supported her before she had her business and while she was building it – it’s “her” money in her mind.)
What’s yours is mine and what’s mine is my own.
I am convinced that Vickie is somewhat M.R. SHe is not altogether alright in the head. She has MAJOR issues.
David is a sour, miserable person. Nothing (much) to do with Shannon. Even his piece wouldn’t be able to keep him happy off too long. Shannon should wake up and realize that he is the drag in the marriage.
These folks in the OC Need serious, intense therapy.
I seriously doubt therapy will help. They need to divorce and each find a life. Right now they are both anchors around the other’s necks. Staying together “for the sake of the children” is probably doing a lot of damage, especially when you showcase it in national television week after week.
I don’t think he is sour and miserable. I think by nature he is a rather happy go lucky guy who has been trampled by his wife’s incessant displeasure with everything he does and says. She may love him, but she does not like him.
I’m glad I am not the only one who will shell out some serious cash for cheese. I was in Paris in June and cheese was a LARGE part of what I spent my money on. I regret nothing.
I mean the way she screams like a little girl having a temper tantrum. And the things she says to Tamra about being best friends and such. Really juvenile.
And although . I cried with her regarding her mother, and reflected back a few years to losing my own Mom; rewatching that scene on the advice of some viewers, I thought an old lady saying I want my MOMMY was weird and disturbing.
Well that’s harsh. That’s her mother and they were close. Your mom dies you feel like a small child again. That was the ONLY organic emotional thing I’ve ever seen Vicki do.
the nanny, I think your comment is weird and disturbing.
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:09 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Sorry TT. Having been there, I know the feeling exactly. But a grown ass grandmother should have said “mother” not mommy. (IMO)
You’re an idiot. I hope you are not really a nanny.
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:29 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Been thinking about this comment that a ‘grown ass grandmother’ should have said ‘mother’ not mommy…. you know what… as much as Vicki annoyed the shit out of me this week, on her behalf i’d like to offer a hearty FUCK OFF.
I’d recommend not going to the south or around my family, where you will see ‘grown ass’ great grandmas still referring to their beloved parents as mamma and daddy.
TT… sorry if this breaks the rules. But damn. It hit close to home.
It doesn’t break the rules at all. It’s a hideous comment. I’ve been asking for my mama a lot lately.
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 12:53 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Hugs to you TT…. if your mama has crossed over, I’m sure she’s with you. If not, hope you are getting at least plenty of phone time with her if she isn’t nearby.
She’s passed Erica. She was the type to just show up with Daddy wherever I lived on nights where I was um, entertaining. She would come and clean and tell me I was keeping everything in the wrong place in the kitchen. It was VERY ANNOYING.
I sure wish she was still around to do that.
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 1:27 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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My mother is 91. I am so lucky to still have her with me and I still call her Mommy. I am 62.
TT, I think that you are being rude to “the nanny”. I, too, thought that Vicki’s reaction was juvenile, albeit, from her soul and endearing. She was in a lot of pain, it was hard to watch her grieving and I felt terrible for her. But I am not surprised by her reaction because Vicki seemed to always want her Mother’s approval and validation. In one of the earlier seasons, at her Mom’s house in Illinois, she kept asking if she loved her. Her Mom seemed annoyed by her constant encounters and finally said, “I love you Vicki” in a very annoyed voice and attitude; as she was trying to get away from her. I cringed at that scene. Also, in another clip while in Vicki’s car, she was asking her Mother’s opinion of her “yellow” hair, it appeared to me that she was begging her Mother for a compliment, but her Mother said that her hair looked like the McDonald’s golden arches. That made me cring too, she should have reassured Vicki that her hair was beautiful and that she loved it instead of using sarcasm. I am sure that she was proud of Vicki but just would not vocalize it, which left Vicki feeling empty and needy. Mostly, Vicki needed for her Mom to tell her that she was beautiful, because she does not think that she is, and then she needed for her Mother to acknowledge how successful she is and how impressed she was with her accomplishments. Being a successful business woman is very important to Vicki, don’t blame her. Parents need to be supportive of their children and tell them, tell the world, brag on them, show off their pictures, no matter what age, how beautiful or not they are, or what type of work they do, their love should be unconditional. Spouses should be supportive too, but when they are raised by nonverbal and reserved parents and did not learn by example, they are not equipped to deal with a spouse’s needy emotions and everyone has a need to be validated. Donn wasn’t supportive of Vicki’s needs, although he seemed like a nice person, but it appears that Brooks is very affectionate and loving. She loves it, who wouldn’t? Not sure if his affection is genuine though, hope so. Losing your Mom is a huge but an eventual expectant loss, we all have an expiration, and I know that Vicki misses her a lot. My Mom died at 82 also, I miss her terribly.
I did not past your wall of words past the part where you figured out I was being rude to “the nanny.” That must have taken all of you mental capacities. It was a shitty comment. Shitty comments deserve rude feedback. Now fuck off with that wall of word shit and learn to make paragraphs. And DO NOT for an instant think that I am interested on your stupid opinion on my comments to other comments.
I sure if you think on this one for awhile you will eventually realize this too, is a rude comment and get to stepping.
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 2:00 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Oh Lord Tamara… I so relate! By my senior year in college my roommates and I stopped cleaning in prep for parental visits – because my mom would clean anyway. My two best friends are both orphans in their 40s I’m VERY aware of how lucky I am (even though the should statements sometimes annoy the “should” out of me – especially since I work with my parents!!) I still grieve for my friends’ parents, as I was lucky enough to be supported and “parented” by them as well as my own parents – and it is a daily reminder to be patient with my mama and daddy.
Super harsh. It’s weird and disturbing to judge anyone else’s grief.
Even those tough young soldiers in Saving Private Ryan are on the beaches of Normandy crying for their mommies. It’s a raw, guttural, human reaction sometimes when we’re in pain and sometimes when we’re losing our “mommies.” One of my most wise, competent and “together” work friends (my “work mom”) who is in her 60s lost her 96 year old mother last year. I thought she was prepared, but she unraveled. It’s really done a number on her to be on this earth without her mom.
Vicki’s freakout over money was uncomfortable to watch. Every relationship is different, some people want their partner to be stay at home (look after kids, house etc). Some people even prefer an unemployed, childless partner, so that their career will always take priority. Especially if their career invovles a lot of moving etc.
Vicki was projecting a lot in that moment.
I am guessing Vicky doesn’t care about the money issue for Meghan. She just wants to take Meghan down and saw that as an opportunity. Vicky gets on her shark face every time she looks over at Meghan.
Yes, a mako-makeover is needed. STAT lol
Nothing to add. Perfect review. For some reason though, I busted out laughing about the cheese (everybody needs their special splurge, haha).
Anyone else think of that I Love Lucy episode when Lucy tries to smuggle some cheese home?
Vicki is unhappy and insecure PERIOD I don’t care how successful she’s been.
Meghan likes her new “situation” and will take whatever Jim (calling him Jimmy makes me barf) dishes out to sustain it.
Shannon has issues that go beyond this affair hence why she dives into all the alternative medicine to have something to cling to. You can’t tell me all money she blows on gurus, the holistic BS, Feng Shui, etc doesn’t piss David off.
I like Heather, but I’m sick of her flexing her muscle to us. She has this pretentious tone when she’s explaining stuff even in her talking head segment “I wrap my crap in tissue paper.” I wish she would just relax.
I could care less about Tamra. I can’t keep up with all of her career paths. The only thing she’s succeeded at is raising a loser.
I agree… Tamra is now leaving CUT to focus on her “real estate career”.
I think that is code for “I don’t want to work anymore”.
I really feel that Shannon and David are toxic for each other. Even before the affair she was very naggy and wasn’t getting what she needed from the marriage. He isn’t willing to bend long term and give her what she needs. Probably because nothing he does can satisfy her. If she was the fun girl she is with Vicki then I think they could patch things up. But I don’t think she will ever forgive or forget the affair and that had only made things worse for them. As for David if he wanted to be running around with his home wrecker then he should have seperated from his wife. Not only did he humiliate her but his kids. How they can just televise their kids pain about this is sickening.if Shannon wanted to publicly shame him she should not have included the kids.
My favorite part is always Shannon’s talking head interview. She cracks me up the way she just sputters and rolls her eyes with one little pithy statement. She CAN be funny and charming.
Too bad she ain’t around David.
I have a prediction. IF they get divorced, God help her, Shannon might become Orange County’s middle age Kristen. Obsessive stalking, not letting go, crazy lady about David.
And Shannon can fly in A LOT of hoes from Miami!
I can see that
Shannon is great in her talking heads — so witty and personable. I wish she would be that Shannon when dealing with the other ladies on camera! Maybe she isn’t quick on her feet and does better when she’s had time to think of a response?
Shannon’s talking heads are my favorite too. I think she was raised to not be outspoken. Probably would help her a lot to say what she is thinking more often, though I think it was really sweet when she didn’t correct Vicky for saying ‘median’ instead of ‘medium’. Shannon’s head was exploding but she kept her mouth shut. That’s a good friend.
Vicki has some really odd thoughts about gender roles. Stay at home moms need permission to spend money? She had Brooks offer the toast and welcome at the dinner party at her house because he’s the man of the house? Just an odd combo of 50s housewife and liberated business woman. In many families, one spouse works and the other doesn’t. It’s an arrangement that works for the family. The spouse bringing in the paycheck doesn’t own the money. It’s family income. Too bad Vicki never had a mutually supportive relationship so she’d see how it can and does work for many families.
I actually thought this episode was getting back to normal. Its the 1st one I’ve enjoyed this season. Heather needs to quit talking down to us, as she’s explaining what she’s doing. Every time she talks, I feel like I’m in the corner with a dunce cap on.
Which came 1st, Shannon “nagging” or David being distant and a cheater? My moneys on him pulling away and her hearing rumors of other women and having to watch him flirt in front of her. She’s doing her best to heal, but he needs to make her feel secure for her to do that.
Did I hear Megan say something about stepkid-s in the previews? Is there more? I’m glad Vicki is talking some of the heat off Shannon and becoming Megan’s target. She can handle it. lol Brooks looks so bad its scary. I wish him the best.
Shannon needs to keep a damn diary. Ok, your husband cheated on you – which is horrible – but she chose to stay! If that’s the choice you make, then you also have to learn to accept it and move on. She thinks about it 50 times a day, you know she’s running it over and over and over in her mind. The minute he comes home, I can see her unloading. He’s a jerk, but he hasn’t left, so he’s willing to work on it (for now). Something happened that made him cheat (and I’m not blaming Shannon). He left once, and if she keeps this up, he will leave again. Even when they go out for an evening, she keeps bringing it up.
Vickie has had to look out for herself, so she has often shown jealousy for the other wives. But I did enjoy her rant to Meghan. Meghan has no clue what she’s gotten into. Meghan isn’t that young to be so dumb. I don’t think she’s savvy enough to be a third wife.
Why does Heather always have to tell us how much everything costs?
Because they probably ask.
I like her but she is very descriptive of how much everything costs. Our sink is $7,000, Terry’s shirt is $50 Idk just random stuff.
@Jen, I think she said Terry’s shirts cost $400 and that he wouldn’t like the $50 shirts! Iknew they were pretentious (I still like them for some odd reason) but I was like wow, that is just ridiculous.
Entertaining recap any way, TT! I’m leaving way too many comments so this should be my last one today :-/
Love the continuing definition of what Meghan is.
“Crazy loves crazy” – I love Shannon too 😉
That bandana is way crazier than Shannon’s eyes (the kind of eyes that actually show human emotion).
Love that Vicki AND Lizzie took on Meghan and ambushed her this time! I was cheering out loud when Lizzie went there.
“Next Week: Meghan can’t understand why her relationship with the kid she has known for five minutes is not the same as the one she has with her mother.” I think we’ve found the thing that even Heather and Tamra won’t be able to tolerate from Meghan. Moms don’t like the thought of new wives or girlfriends coming in to take over their role or to act like they love the kids just as much as they do after…yeh, like 5 minutes. She honestly has not even knows the kids for more than what…? A year at the time of filming? It’s great to ultimately have a loving step parent, but it’s all so forced and rushed and insincere with this one.
Meghan hit a trigger here and I’m excited to see it not go well for her with any of the ladies (I feel so evil in how much I relish seeing her get a dose of mean right back).
You have left A LOT of comments today. And they are LONG. I would probably actually read them if they were shorter.
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 9:26 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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The reason for Tamra to leave CUT is to avoid the realization that she is a beard, particularly if he spends too much time in the locker room.
I am more inclined to think the reason Tamra is leaving CUT to work real estate again is because she will be helping/supporting that creepy son of hers. She knows Eddie won’t tolerate that anymore than Simon did. If she is bringing in her “own” money she may feel like it would delay divorce #3 just a bit.
I like Heather, if I had spent $400 on a shirt, I’d wrap it in tissue too.
Vicki pissed me off when she started talking about his money/ her money and asking permission to spend. I’ve been at home for almost 19 years and what I contribute at home out weighs what I could bring in monetarily. Do I ask permission before I go shopping? No. Do we talk about large purchases? Yes. Hubby makes the money and I pay the bills. btw, the last time I went shopping, I ended up buying everyone else something and that’s fine by me.
Another thing that showed Vicki’s double standard is when they were at lunch and Meghan shared the story about starting her period at work and Vicki look disgusted. In the van, she’s screeching at Tamra asking if she’s got diarrhea? Is one really better conversation than the other? Both are TMI, if you ask me.
Vicki is queen hypocrite.
Anybody with 14 bathrooms should buy those black pearls.
Vicki has money issues. Was her first husband a control freak with money? Was her dad? Did she grow up poor? When you are married, it’s the family money. If Vicki ever marries again, I am sure she will have a watertight prenup drawn up. Vicki was pretty nasty to Meghan. She really does have a problem with the under 40 housewives. She has a problem with anybody who does not spend 80 hours a week at their job.
I am sick of Meghan trying to paint herself as a saint because she has a teen step daughter that lives with her. Her mom is dying of cancer so she has to live with us. Teens can cook, do laundry, housework, and help take care of their mom. Would Hailey be happier living with her mom? I think so.
I noticed Shannon and Heather are more simpatico. Is that due to Meghan?
Had to laugh at the holistic/ homeopathic woman immediately shoveling in the antibiotics with the first sign of an upper respiratory infection. Please give us kooky vacation/ party Shannon not hypochondriac Shannon. I enjoy Shannon when she is away from David. I think David is a jerk. He really ticked me off when he told his girls mommy is mad at me because I didn’t show her respect by forgetting to call her. Don’t put the kids in the middle.
A sort of nice person has taken Tamra’s place. Want more Lizzie and no Meghan.
Heather doesn’t seem like the jewelry type.
They might get in the way of the peter pan collar.
Just some random thoughts. I think when you’re a woman whose worked for everything you have, or a stay at home mom who dedicated years to raising kids…it might annoy you to meet someone who prides herself on doing neither. I believe as woman you should be doing one or the other or both. So watching Meghan act like she is “raising” a 17 teen year old who doesn’t even listen to her, or like moving with professional movers is the end of the world annoys me too. I was traumatized watching Vicki. I don’t care what she said or how loud she said it, all I saw was pain that she had every right to express however the heck she chose to. Also I know Shannon seems like she is harping, but in all fairness she is working so hard to put her family back together. When someone shatters your world like that I imagine the thoughts and worries are always running through her head, so she seems frazzled cause it’s like her heart and mind are at odds.
I have read the unkind comments about how Vicki “should” have reacted to the news of her mother’s death. My Mama died when I was 41 years old, and my reaction would have met the expectations of those folks.
I was stoic, mature, and composed. I maintained that facade for nearly 3 years. At that time, I found myself in a facility where professionals were required to help me recover from acute depression.
I guess what I learned is that when a person is faced with a terrible loss is not the time to be “appropriate”. It’s
the a time to be genuine.
well said. I went through something similar when I lost my father suddenly. I was grown, 29 years old, he was 50…and though I didn’t lose it at first because it didn’t seem real and I was in shock, when I saw him laid out I completely lost my mind and kept saying “I want my dad back, I need my dad”. My little sister who is not one to show emotion cried like a baby and said “i want my daddy”, and my heart just about split into a thousand pieces, because she is much younger than me and I could hear her saying that as a child, and it sounded exactly the same from her mouth at 21.
There is no shame in reacting that way, and no shame in grieving in any way that it happens for you. Everyone handles it differently and they should be able to free from the judgment of others. I agree about Shannon too, that type of betrayal is crushing and you can’t just move past it because you’ve chosen to stay together. It’s a process, you have to feel all that pain, live with it, and over time with guidance and patience, I assume it becomes less and easier to manage. You can’t just demand someone get over something like that in x amt of time.
I loved Gene Tierney as well, and read her biography years ago. When she was pregnant with her only child, she was talked into volunteering at the USO. Shortly thereafter, she contracted German measles. Because of this, her daughter was born blind and with profound mental disabilities. Ms. Tierney had to place her daughter in a home, and though she visited often, she never got over the guilt. Years later, she ran into a fan on the street who told her that she had met her once at a party at the USO. She wasn’t supposed to go, because she had the measles, but she didn’t want to miss the chance to meet her favorite actress, Gene Tierney.