So every presidential election for the last decade or so, Donald Trump pretends like he is considering running for the presidency. I never really believe he is serious, because, he’s kind of busy running eleventy billion businesses and hosting Celebrity Apprentice. One of his other entertainment enterprises is the Miss USA and Miss Universe Franchise. Some reports indicate that this enterprise is jointly owned by Trump and NBC. I don’t think that exactly accurate. I believe Trump owns Miss Universe and partnered with NBC for the TV shows.
Which brings us to this year when Trump is actually honest to God running for president. This meant that Celebrity Apprentice would be on hold until he dropped out. I can live with that. But then, Trump said about illegal immigrants ” they’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime, they’re rapists and some, I assume, are good people.” Well, this caused the Hispanic population’s head to explode. God forbid we mention that the illegal immigrants are committing crimes simply by entering the country illegally, draining our public school systems, burdening our jails, and committing violent crimes. If you live in the south, anywhere, this is no secret. Apparently, it is not nice to mention that criminals commit crimes. Sure Trump’s delivery sucks, but nothing will win the votes of Texans and Arizona voters like promising to seal the southern border with a big ole wall.
So then Univison who airs the upcoming Miss Universe Pageant in Spanish says they are not going to air it anymore because Trump is a big ole windbag who hates Mexicans. So now all the people who work on the Spanish version of the show are out of a job, and all the countries with Spanish-speaking representatives in the pageant can’t watch and Univision (and Trump) lose money. Who cares the least about this? Trump. 
Then today NBC also said they will no longer air the Miss Universe or Miss USA pageants either. Well that’s just brilliant. The show is set to air July 12th. All the girls that have worked for YEARS to get to Miss Universe are told two weeks before the pageant it won’t be televised. I mean Cait Jenner had plans to be there and judge! Add Cait to all the people who just lost their jobs. Clearly, NBC hates transgendered folks!
And THEY FIRED TRUMP FROM APPRENTICE! What about the D-list celebrities who need have a free hotel room and a nice per diem, NBC! Think of the Bravolebrities!!! Apparently, Mark Burnett is going to think of a way to do Celebrity Apprentice without Trump. Can you do Survivor without Jeff Probst? Can you have Big Brother without Julie Chen? No. No. You. Can. Not.
NBC doesn’t care! They said today,”At NBC, respect and dignity for all people are cornerstones of our values. Due to the recent derogatory statements by Donald Trump regarding immigrants, NBCUniversal is ending is ending its business relationship with Mr. Trump. To that end, the annual Miss USA and Miss Universe Pageants, which are part of a joint venture between NBC and Trump, will no longer air on NBC.”
Trump did not say anything about LEGAL IMMIGRANTS from MEXICO. He is addressing an actual problem in this country with ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. We cannot just continue to ignore the illegal immigration problem in this country. Our borders are wide open for ISIS and other terrorist groups to get through just as easily as the illegal immigrants who are just searching for a better life.
Trump said he didn’t care and that he’s not apologizing for his statements because they “were correct” when addressing reports at a Chicago campaign speech.
“Whatever they want to do is OK with me,” Trump told reporters in Chicago after a campaign speech to civic leaders.
But Trump’s Corporate office said “NBC is weak, and like everybody else is trying to be politically correct. That is why our country is in serious trouble.”
Trump has already promised to sue Univision. I’m sure the legal threats have already begun toward NBC.
Can we please have a moment of silence for the pageant girls and the Bravolebrities effected by this national disaster ?
Wow shocked by this racism
What racism? What race is being marginalized and by whom?
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:21 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I agree he said illegal immigrants, maybe people don’t know all the nationalities of illegal immigrants?
There are only three (3) races but many nationalities (defined by man and history) and ethnicities. So not too sure where “race” is a factor?
God I love you sometimes, TT. Your politics are spot on.
Trump for President. Yes.
I didn’t know that illegal is a race
Mexicans = Hispanics = Race
Yes, but that has nothing to do with Trump’s comment about illegal aliens. Not all immigrants are Hispanic. Not all immigrants are illegal. Trump was referring to illegal aliens.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 8:31 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Agreed.
Ha-ha…you guys are funny. I must have lost the ability to read. I don’t see where Trump said Mexicans. He said illegal immigrants. It is a national security issue
How is it racist to protect our borders? Most come through Mexico. It’s a fact. Many aren’t even Mexican. Many are radical extremists making their way through Mexico protected by the drug cartels who run the border. I grew up there. I know what I speak of and I am of Mexican descent.
You have got to LOVE The Donald on this one. We have a very large illegal population in my town and it has been overwhelming to the police and the hospital. Changing the label from “illegal” to “undocumented” does not change the fact that they are breaking the law just by being here. I say Go Trump on this one. There is way to much of the political correctness crap going on.
I lived in South Florida for 30 years. The number of illegals was out of control. Now I’m in SC and see the same thing. One of our Walmart stores is nicknamed Meximart. NBC is making a big $$$ mistake by cutting ties with Trump. Trump can afford to lose them, can NBC afford to lose Trump?
NBC can afford to lose Trump. They cannot afford having so 1 that makes the comments that Trump does.
It’s called Meximart because of the people working there, or the clientele?
i SAY YES. It is about time this blow-hard get some blow-back for running his mouth. I come to you from the illegal capital of the US, Los Angeles.
If you are going to make a statement that is politically incorrect as a public figure, especially if you are running for public office, you better back it up with a solid statistics based study to support your statement. No one can argue about factually proven numbers.
I’m not a Trump fan, so I don’t really care what happens to him. Surely he has no chance at becoming president right? Why is he serious at running this time?
Yes! Rhetoric still needs to be sustained with fact in order to have impact. Blanket statements will always have consequences.
He could go far. He has a ton of supporters specifically on the immigration issue that no other politician is going to address EVER. It’s more of a national security threat than ever at this point that our borders are so porous. Canada and the US should work together to secure that border as well. ISIS and other terrorist groups can just walk right into this country. Canada is more likely to catch them coming in to Canada than Mexico is. But the fact we have had no border security for all these years is just ridiculous.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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EVER is right. Democrats see voters to keep them in power. All these guys are rich. They go to DC for Power. Republicans see cheap labor for the wealthy. The poor barely pay taxes and illegals tend to be poor and the rich are only 1 percent. Even if you taxed them 100% it would not be enough. As usual, the middle class gets hosed.
I am not following your train of thought, Josie. This has nothing to do with rich, poor or middle class. It’s a security issue that is NEVER mentioned during election years. And Obama waltzed into office and made a lot of EXECUTIVE ORDERS bypassing the other two branches of our three pronged system to do whatever he wanted. Then when the states that suffered by this decision took legal action, those of us who live in those states whether we agree with Obama or not were punished by not getting subsidies other wealthier states got for ObamaCare while our governors and our President fight over immigration. It has nothing to do with wealth.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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AMEN TT!!! I live in Pennsylvania and illegals are a huge problem. It’s been getting progressively worse over the last ten years and about 6 years ago I was driving to work when my car was totaled, two illegals get out as I called the police and took a pic of their license. They took off, the cops said the car was not registered and the plate was stolen. Sooo, my insurance has to cover everything and my rates go thru the roof. Needless to say I am pro wall of the borders. Trump may not win but if he can make the other candidates state what they intend to do about this enormous problem then he has done his part. He can force their hands and I love it. I mean think about it, I’m in Pennsyltucky and we are overrun…it’s a land locked sate people! No border anywhere near here. I cannot imagine how the border states must feel. And my last thought…you have to show ID for every damn thing in this country but not to vote? hmmmm, no problem there right? Yes, vodka, I hear you, I’m on my way.
@BeetsWhy,
“two illegals get out as I called the police and took a pic of their license”
How do you know they were illegal?
I’m going to assume because they ran and had fake plates…
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 10:52 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Sorry, that was worded very poorly. You’re right, it is HUGE security issue but neither side wants to fix it. Democrats see illegals as new voters to add to their rolls and republicans see cheap labor for their constituents. No will to fix it. I was trying to say that the cost of illegal immigrants are borne primarily by the middle class.
@tamaratattles, I’d assumed the same, but wondered if BeetsWhy had omitted some details …
Unfortunately some of the terrorists are born right here or grew up here. They don’t have to sneak in . They just caught two more in NJ yesterday .
Of course there are home grown terrorists here. That doesn’t mean we need to let more in. In order to move to another country, most of the time you have to have a JOB already in place and enter on a work visa, or show you have a certain amount of cash to support yourself.
On a weird note, since Obama was in office, he screwed up the opportunities for Americans to retire in some other countries like Uruguay by doing some sort of trade deal where we gave them some sort of financial gain on the country to country level and what he wanted in exchange was to make it harder for US citizens to retire there. I could have explained this better 3 years ago when I was researching a move to Uruguay and all the expats were infuriated with Obama for making their situation more expensive and more difficult. YET, he does nothing to secure our borders. NSA is collecting data on all the citizens of this country but does nothing to track the illegal aliens. It just boogles my mind.
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 2:20 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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@Micheal~ I can back it up. Here where I live, every week the ABC affiliate runs a “Top 10” most wanted in our city. Every week at least 7 of the 10 are Hispanic. I am also on the board of directors for an at risk youth agency. The gang activity in our area is HUGE and the rise in Hispanic gangs has managed to more than quadrupole in recent years. We have even had to work with authorities to intervene and relocate young children, teens and their families who have been witness to gang activity and have become targets. I live in a rather small town that is a suburb of a big city. The problem is far reaching to say the least.
Ok going to start by saying I’m not trying to be dismissive here. All of what you said is probably true (i have no first hand knowledge myself) but it is anecdotal. He should have just referenced a fact checked statistic, study or something.
@Micheal~ To be fair, I should have said, “I can back it up as far as where I live is concerned.” 🙂
Please have a seat next to Wonky Tonk, Micheal. We don’t need y’all Piers Morganing up the issue. We will get back to you when we are talking about reality TV or the trials of the 1%ers. Until then, just sit there and look pretty.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 8:47 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I’m so used to the Hispanic gang SUR 13 being painted all over my neighborhood I forgot to even mention the gangs. They will remind me the are there on Saturday when they shoot guns into the air because it is a drinking holiday.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Are these illegal aliens? I thought the topic was illegal aliens, not the criminality of Hispanics in your city. I think the call of racism is proven by several comments here. I personally also believe that Trump is a racist.
I agree with you 1000% about his error in making blanket statements without statistical back-up. He stated that “some of them” are probably good people but implied that the majority of these immigrants are criminals (drug smugglers and rapists). That is not factual and definitely disparages a whole group of people.
I don’t give a flying fack how annoyed some of these commenters (including TT) are about having Mexicans invade their space. Characterizing the whole group as rapists and drug smugglers is racist.
Absolutely!!!
Wait — if you are an illegal immigrant, you are a criminal. It’s right in the name: illegal.
Queen B,
I agree with your first paragraph up until you generalize it to all Mexicans/Hispanics whatever… that is just not a logical assumption regarding someone talking about a subset of people. But you lost me on the second one. I haven’t single a single person here stereotype all Mexicans as anything. The topic is not “Mexicans” it is “people illegally crossing the Mexican border” and even then, no one said all illegal immigrants are anything. What the topic is, is “Illegal immigrants are a problem.”
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 9:02 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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He never said Mexicans, he said illegals, they could be from el Salvador, Vietnam, Philippines, etc
You’ve said that way too many times, Dee. We heard you the first time.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:39 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Thank you.
I meant to say thank you, QueenB.
I might actually vote for him. I am so sick of career politicians. The thought of another Bush /Clinton election actually makes me ill. We need some new blood. And someone who runs businesses, for a profit, successfully, might have good things to offer.
I don’t know. I thought the same thing. Then, I remembered all the times I was laid off so the head honchos could give themselves big bonuses.
At this point, I think I’d vote for Donald Duck before Donald Trump.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and can exercise free speech unless it disagrees with prevailing beliefs and political correctness. Bad Trump! You must be muzzled and sent to a camp for reprogramming!
@ruth:
You don’t seem to understand what “free speech” means. The First Amendment limits the ability of government to supress speech, i.e. censorship.
“Freedom of Speech” does not mean that anyone can say anything they like without consequences.
This is one of my biggest pet peeves. I read a lot of news stories, and the comments too, and a large portion of our population has no idea what our amendments even MEAN! Ohhhh, there I go, making a blanket statement. Good thing I’m not running for president. Thanks for saying what the first amendment really means, so I don’t have to!
Amen ericzku and bluerobin, this is one of my pet peeves also. Free speech doesn’t mean people on the internet can’t have opinions on what you say. Or that NBC can’t fire you for what you say.
Let me guess, you support the flying of the confederate flag as well?
Why does every subject in the world come back to this? I could say “bagel”, and someone will rant about this flag.
did you just reference bagels, is that an attack on Jews?
Nah. I was just hungry. I still want tacos, too.
Because it’s emblematic of a mindset.
Honey it’s all politics. Don’t know if he will apologize but he might have to swallow his big ego. Just think about all the Hispanics that are taking care of their lawns not to mention their children NBC better be politically correct. You see they let them all in when this country wanted their cheap labor. Now they have a lot of political clout.
Good point. Remove the undocumented workers and this economy falls flat on its face. Why not target employers who pay slave wages and no benefits? Oh that’s right, can’t upset the base.
And, thanks to millions of these folks who are lining our SS coffers with money they will never be able to claim.
Trump’s a clown.
the women and children are heavy users of welfare in Socal. that doesn’t help the economy unless you are a caseworker
Facts? Figures? They don’t qualify for welfare.
@katherine , there is something called “emergency Medicaid” for illegal immigrants. It covers childbirth and emergency care and the federal government reimburses the hospitals. The federal government paid 1.3 billion dollars in reimbursements in 2011 with the states paying hundreds of millions more – for the undocumented ( illegals). our emergency rooms are being used as doctors offices, they can’t refuse treatment and who foots the bill? Taxpayers.
If they are illegal, how do they pay SS or taxes?
Many immigrants who have been waiting DECADES for their paperwork to be processed have taxpayer ID numbers and file tax returns and pay taxes. They have to as a condition to being granted legal status. They also pay sales tax (9.6% in my city) in states with sales taxes, even if that state has no income tax. They pay rent, pay for license fees, and feed their families. Mexicans are the hardest working immigrant group there is and they love America and Anericans. They would take up arms to defend this country against ISIS. Okay rant over. I love my Mexican husband (who was in this country for nearly 20 years before his “legal” status was confirmed) and my Mexican in-laws and friends. You all should be so blessed.
Damn Straight. I’ve seen his picture! 🙂 I can attest to the hardworking part. Both the adults… across the street from my gaybor is VERY VERY nice house/compound. I taught one of the girls in the second grade and SHE IS A WOMAN NOW. They are where I go when my water bursts and I need an emergency man (or sometimes woman) to help. They are legal (I assume but perhaps not) The adults return to Mexico for extended periods of time and I help the now grown kids sometimes fight off the Jehovah Witnesses (who may have been fake…long story who were harassing “my child” I caused a HUGE SCENE because they scared her….there have been no Jehovah Witnesses here since then.) My Mexican kids were THE BEST KIDS EVER in my classroom. The parents complained ALL THE TIME I didn’t give my second graders hours of homework. And they didn’t believe me when I said they were perfectly well behaved. Which they were. But they are HORRENDOUSLY behaved in public with their parents. Perhaps I intimated them a little? 🙂 My first year teaching here I wanted to legally adopt two kids who were in BAD homes. The parent teacher conference was in Spanish and the interpreter (as they do) simple said thing like (my favorite student) was raped at age 5 in the US and that her mother chopped off her long hair because she was too seductive. The younger boy would crap on the floor at school in Kindergarten. It was obvious both were abused and CPS was on it but .. anyway. I would literally have adopted them if I could and as I tell all my students, “I don’t really like children..” “She” stopped by my house for years on Halloween It was clear at one point she was a teen mom. I wish I had not started this story.
Anyway. I’ve already said I have close ties with many illegal immigrants, as well as legal ones. My hood is probably more Mexican than anything else. I miss being able to ask my room moms to have Tamale parties.
My babies are all grown now. 🙁
That said. THE BORDER PROBLEM IS REAL. We need secure borders. We need to have a system to let as many people in as we can who are productive members of society.
British people have a VERY hard time staying here when the have a partner here. The legal route is very hard. In my family we have Brazilian immigrants who are married and have been for years and still don’t have citizenship.
I could do without the SUR 13 gang tatting up my hood and burglarizing my houses. I’d like to go live in Paris and teach or tutor I could only do that with a JOB IN ADVANCE. It’s the same in most any country in the world. I would like to retire in Uruaguy, they are a very friendly country as long as you can prove you have a certain amount of money then you can retire there and spend money AND GET SOME PRETTY SWEET HEALTHCARE after a year or two.
We are one of the few countries where there is no consequence for illegal immigration unless you commit other crimes.
I just think we need to FIX immigration.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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A family of three illegally imigrants move here. They have an anchor baby. That baby now qualifies for free housing, EBT and other social programs. Costs outweigh benefits. Google figures for anchor babies.
Josie… it’s sort of annoying that you are on “my side.” I’m just saying. You make better points for the other side of the issue in that you make me rethink my position more than their statistics ever could. You are out of your depth.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:36 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Ugh why is he wasting money and resources? We all know he won’t even get close to winning.
Makes me think of TRav on a much bigger scale tho. Trump can afford to waste millions I am guessing, but why waste all that when there is no chance of a win, why not donate to a child hospital and animal hospital???
Either ego, or he really thinks he has a chance. Why doesn’t he go for a senate position? I’d assume that would be an easy slam dunk for him.
It’s not as if there aren’t alternate rich assholes who can do the job on Celebrity Apprentice, they’re a dime a dozen. Now that Rupert Murdoch is passing the rains of power to his son, maybe they’ll give him the job. Or Chris Jenner. That’d be a laugh and a half. She could have Kim and Khloe as her boardroom advisers.
Mark Cuban, Daymond John, any of the cast from The Shark would gladly takeTrump’s place. NBC will survive the epic loss of “The Donald”.
Mark Cuban would be GREAT, not to mention the added bonus of eye candy!
For me this is not a black and white issue. You can look at it from a sociological perspective and see one side and an economical standpoint and see a different side. Trump may be haughty and boorish, but I hope he makes it far. His delivery is horrible, but he is going to put the other candidates on the spot about important issues.
I don’t know why my post showed up as a reply to this, but YES to Mark Cuban! Hard to believe that he’s almost 57 and looks like that. <3
Well I didn’t see the point in continuing with Apprentice until you brought Mark Cuban into it. Now I’m interested again.
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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My first choice is still Michael Kors, but Mark Cuban would work too.
Mark Cuban has a very lethal “side eye:”
Insulting a culture with generalizations of being rapists, is not the answer to get a point across for border control and more rigid commerce leadership for our country. To say ‘and SOME (Mexicans) are good people’ is a dig and a culture has every right to feel insulted, including the hundreds of thousands of Americans of immigrant decent.
I’m baffled at this post. So much to say. And yet I restrain my thoughts.
A commennt that makes sense on page! Thank you Espi!
Amen…..I think this is the first time in all of the years of reading here, that I was left shaking my head in disbelief at some of the comments.
I suppose Trump doesn’t realize that he now has absolutely zero chance, not that he ever really had one, of capturing the legal Hispanic voting block, the fastest growing voting segment in the US.
Trump doesn’t care he belongs in a growing group of right wing conservatives adhering to Ann Coulter’s belief that the GOP will fail if they attempt to cater to liberal voters, or minority voters. Instead they believe their base can carry them through to victory. Whether or not they’re right on that remains to be seen, but one thing’s for sure he couldn’t have picked a better topic than this one to zero in on the concerns of the conservative base. Funny thing is the rate of illegal immigrants from Mexico is actually falling and has been for some time. Net Migration from Mexico has fallen to zero. In fact the numbers are showing that over the last couple of years that the numbers returning to Mexico are outpacing those coming into the states. Studies have shown that crime rates in the US from non-native immigrants are significantly lower than those of US natives. I hear complaints about illegal aliens and crime all of the time and they’re always anecdotal, and never first hand. You can blame Fox “News” for the hysteria surrounding illegal aliens.
Wonky Tonk, you have a theory about illegal immigration in a country you do not live in based on some unsourced numbers you think you know. The problem with your theory is the illegal aliens are illegal and therefore uncounted. Estimates go up to 30 million illegal immigrants. We recently had hundreds of CHILDRED cross the border from some South American country with NO ADULT SUPERVISON. They sat in warehouses on the border for weeks. I am not sure what ever happened to them. Their parents are in such dire circumstances that they sent BABIES alone on tops of trains just to get them here.
My point is, you have no idea what you are talking about.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:43 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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why does mexico hate its own people? They want them to move to another country so they don’t have to take care of them
Trump wasn’t talking about people being criminals simply for crossing the border. It was an implication that most of them are committing crime after coming to the US. Couldn’t have happened to a better guy, as far as I’m concerned. Good riddance.
Trump was talking about all the border agents who are killed every year trying to keep people crossing at the Mexican border with massive amounts of drugs from South America. Are you not aware that is where a TON of the drugs in this country come from?
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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This.
Really, Tamara. I know you pride yourself on being hateful to people, but your defense of that statement is really disappointing.
Go ahead and kick me to the “window licker” section for people who dare disagree with you.
@Rosy Banks~ It is not that Mexico hates it’s people, it is a matter of basic facts. The citizens come here (thus relieving Mexico of having to provide services for them), they get jobs and send TONS of money back to their families that still reside in Mexico which is good for Mexico’s bottom line.
Look, let’s be honest, the majority of people illegally crossing from Mexico to Texas are leaving Mexico because of the economy and crime IN MEXICO. Drug rings are so bad in Mexico right now that you can not go visit states like Monterrey anymore or border towns. A lot of illegals are coming from Central America as well. And yes they send money back to Mexico. Most plan on returning one day and have families back home.
The problem with Trump’s statement is that it is false. Illegal immigrants do not cause more crime. DRUGS CAUSE MORE CRIME. There has been an influx of Mexican gangs and drug runners but that is not the same as average person illegaly crossing the border.
It’s a very complicated issue that people should not make blanket statements about when they are running for national political office.
I’m confused, he was mentioning people who are here illegally. If they are illegal, isn’t that against the law? I don’t see this as racist. If it is; why do we have border control? Obviously, the border is not being controlled.
Very few people disagree that coming here illegally is… well… illegal.
At issue is the statement that they are all drug mules and rapists.
Exactly Crazy, that would be the racist part.
Thank you, I appreciate your response. It costs the states in the US a total of 84 billion dollars every year to support illegal immigrants. There is a breakdown someplace of what each state pays…allegedly.
Agreed. Illegal, does not mean, you are a rapist, a drug mule or you are bringing crime into the US. And, don’t forget he was specific about Mexicans and the Latino population in general. Now, if he addressed border patrol, the cost to maintain the border, immigration issues, and offered solutions, that would make his a viable candidate. I guess his statement about Mexicans can be compared to saying in a general way, all blacks should still be slaves. He can’t bite the hand that feeds him. He is great at rhetoric and sparking debate, which is why we are commenting. However, to put him in office would be a disaster. Really, a disaster. And, he really isn’t a successful business, he is shrewd with the laws and has a good team, but, he isn’t necessarily successful. Disaster, joke, scary, and a loose cannon.
The studies vary on the economic impact of illegal immigrants. One says their spending as a net positive impact of 150 billion dollars, which says nothing of the value they bring to their employers who drastically under pay them and frequently cheat them, nor does this number cover the billions annually funneled into the Social Security, and Medicare trust funds which they will never be able to collect, or the cost savings for the produce you buy. Financially illegal immigrants are a net positive.
Again Wonky Tonk. Please stop citing statistics you read about us in YOUR country to us who actually LIVE IN the situation. It’s offensive and annoying.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 8:01 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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He didn’t say they were all drug mules and rapists. He didn’t even say they were all Mexican. What he said was we have a shit ton of criminals cross into this country at the Mexican border and he wants to stop that.
Run that past the PC police of this country and there is outrage that we might hurt the criminals FEELINGS and an entire culture is suddenly offended that the criminals in question are of their heritage. If there were tons of Canadians trafficking drugs INTO this country the whole rest of Canada would not take it as a blanket statement against Canadians.
We have a huge drug problem in this country. A shit ton of it is happening at the border with Mexico. It needs to be addressed. The border patrol needs a huge budget increase and better safety gear. There needs to be a better physical barrier on the border. But these things are never EVER addressed by the national politicians because idiot think it is “mean”. This is a uniquely American issue. Other countries have NO ISSUE with securing their borders and making their citizens safer.
In fact Switzerland refuses to join the EU and one of MANY reason is the want to retain the right to police their own borders.
The fact that the uneducated masses want to get all up in arms (no pun intended) about finally stopping the influx of illegal aliens draining the life blood out of the southern states by crying racism is absurd. My hospital went out of business because it was overwhelmed with illegal aliens, the schools that I taught at were primarily illegal aliens who required ESOL instruction and other expensive accommodations. The teachers spend hundreds of dollars of their own money to buy them school supplies, clothes, Christmas presents. Teachers stay after school and teach parents English. Teachers cry when their students are deported. Or when they go home to Mexico and don’t come back for months and loose all of their English skills. There is HUGE Hispanic on Hispanic crime because illegal aliens don’t have bank accounts, all pack into one house and save as much money as possible to take back to Mexico. This means their homes are full of CASH and everyone knows it. More crime. More murders. More burglaries. More clogged court systems.
Everyone wants the American dream. This country can’t support EVERYONE. California is running out of WATER. We do not have unlimited resources, but we have had unlimited access through open borders for FAR TOO LONG.
Trump is a blow hard. But freaking out over his desire to seal the border is happening by people who have never lived near the border. My sister used to live in Yuma and the US school buses PICKED UP KIDS AT THE BORDER CHECK POINT to bus them to school. They walked over the border every morning and afternoon.
We have to have an immigration system which is enforced, like other countries. Somehow, our national security is at risk, because our national leaders don’t want to get called a racist, for protecting the citizens of this country. It’s not about whether or not the illegal immigrants are nice people, or drug dealers, or rapists, or nuns or cancer researchers. It’s a matter of national security. And it’s probably already too late. We need a solution. And everyone needs to stop worrying about hurting the feeling of the people who are coming into this country illegally. I live in a neighborhood with lots of illegal aliens. They are nice people, with big families. Their children were the hardest working best students in my classes. I love MY ILLEGAL ALIENS. But if they can all get here so easily, so can Al-Queda, ISIS, rapists, serial killers, drug dealers, weapons runners and most especially in Atlanta human trafficking. We are sadly the capital of human slave trade in the country. And they are coming across the Mexican border.
So instead of screaming RACIST! at the first person to ever dare to mention the issue in a presidential race, you might want to focus your attention on the issue and not the retarded way he brings up the issue.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I don’t believe anywhere in my comment I used the word, ‘racist’.
“Earlier this month, Trump accused Mexicans of adding drugs and crime to the US as he announced he was seeking the Republican presidential nomination. “They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime, they’re rapists, and some I assume are good people, but I speak to border guards, and they tell us what we are getting,” he said in his speech on 16 June.”
If he is addressing border control, Trump did not offer any solutions, but made a general comment about Mexicans. See above.
Again, immigration is a healthy debate, however, his approach is much to be desired. And, that’s just my opinion, and we are all entitled to ours, however, we are not running for political office. Just sayin’. Whether the already right states agree, does not and will not win him any brownie points outside of those states, the Republicans have those in the bag. Swing states, we’ll see. I stand my my earlier comment, joke, disaster, loose cannon and potentially a weak negotiator on other fronts. Rhetoric.
Ocean Blue,
My comments are made in my email inbox which is going insane at the moment. I am not sure where the quote you used came from. If it was me or from another site. But just to be straight from the source I pulled the border stuff from his official announcement speech from June 16th
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When do we beat Mexico at the border? They’re laughing at us, at our stupidity. And now they are beating us economically. They are not our friend, believe me. But they’re killing us economically.
The U.S. has become a dumping ground for everybody else’s problems.
(APPLAUSE)
Thank you. It’s true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting. And it only makes common sense. It only makes common sense. They’re sending us not the right people.
It’s coming from more than Mexico. It’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming probably — probably — from the Middle East. But we don’t know. Because we have no protection and we have no competence, we don’t know what’s happening. And it’s got to stop and it’s got to stop fast.”
You can read the full speech here. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/06/16/full-text-donald-trump-announces-a-presidential-bid/
He never says anything about all Mexicans. He says that the illegal immigrants pouring in are from more countries than just Mexico and they bring a multitude of problems with them. There was nothing racist in his statement ( I realize you did not say it was racists, others did). He was speaking about a matter of national security.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I am on this side of the fence, Crazy. No pun intended. I guess I may have to join the window lickers because I could not agree more.
TT I live in New Orleans. We have a shit ton of undocumented workers. Frankly the fear of crimes from undocumented workers are overblown, and drastically so. The economic impact is a net positive from undocumented workers. Between property taxes, sales taxes and income taxes alone they bring in over 11 billion a year, a 150 billion in net spending, and billions in social security and medicare money. What’s a few billion to educate their children compared to that? You know what annoys me TT is the histrionics surrounding undocumented workers, and that almost always are anecdotal in nature. You mention drug trafficking across the border fine, but the real problem isn’t the traffic it’s the demand for the drugs which purely a US issue. Fix that and you fix the drug trafficking you can do that by legalizing those drugs in the US and overnight the illegal trafficking goes away. That cross border drug trafficking is the love child of the idiotic drug war our nation is trying to fight. You mention me questioning the issues surrounding illegal immigrants annoys you. What annoys me as a Latin American born and raised in the US the son of legal citizens and non-Mexican, is the largely unfounded hysteria surrounding undocumented workers.
What annoys me are your manufactured statistics. This is my final request for you to stop posting random unsourced statistics.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Wonkytonk is actually correct, if you’d let people source with links to substantiate their comments/positions, you’d see that….rather than just grabbing “facts” out of the air. But then again, who wants pesky things like facts get in the way of a good debate. I live 30 minutes from the San Diego border crossing, I’m not seeing those crazy crime stats people are freaking out about, we have a typical crime here, black gangs, Asian gangs, white gangs Mexican gangs, probably the same as every other major metropolitan city.
Any one can Google San Diego crime rates.
San Diego CA crime rates and statistics – NeighborhoodScout http://www.neighborhoodscout.com › CA › San Diego Real Estate
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The chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property *crime* in *San Diego* is 1 in 35. Based on FBI *crime* data, *San Diego* is not one of the safest communities in America. Relative to California, *San Diego* has a *crime rate* that is higher than 65% of the state’s cities and towns of all sizes.
Oddly, San Diego has a very high rape rate…
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On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Tamara,
The pull quote used in my comment above was pulled from an editorial on msnbc.com, which, is also included in your response.
My gripe with Trump’s comment is his broad assessment about Mexicans and I quote, “They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists”. Like I mentioned above, immigration reform and border control are healthy issues for debate, however, I take personal offense to the way Trump delivered his comments about a specific ethnic group and its nationals. I mean, everyone is entitled to his opinion and they can deliver any which way they please, however, consequences need to be factored in when making comments, especially a presidential hopeful and he is paying for those statements. There are people who agree with his statements, and they can. However, I do not.
All blacks are not rappers. (General statement). All white people are not murderers (General statement). All Asians are smart. (General statement).All Mexicans are not rapists (General statement). All Jews are not thieves (General statement).
In his entire, presidential announcement, was rhetoric against an ethnic group. And, I know this is your blog, but, I disagree with your views. That doesn’t mean, we can’t still work on our relationship.
(Your pull quote from the entire speech)
When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
I think we agree on more things than we disagree on OB. I too disagree with Trump’s delivery. But I also disagree with your interpretation of it. Your whole paragraph on generalizations/stereotypes using the word all is irrelevant. Trump, even in his shitty delivery never said all Mexicans are anything.
I think we are wasting A LOT of time parsing his words and pointing fingers rather that agreeing that the lack of secure borders in this day and age is a disaster waiting to happen. I’m ready to vote for Joe the Dog Catcher for president if he will simply secure our borders.
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Trump is the same guy who asked then Presidential candidate Barack Obama to show his birth certificate. I rest my case. I wonder what all the Republicans will do when they cannot employ their undocumented ‘nannies’. I believe, as a candidate you can address immigration issues, but you cannot make blanket statements that is pure rhetoric and not expect backlash. There is a reason the word ‘consequence’ exists. It is what we teach our kids, maybe, it’s time we teach our potential political leaders. It’s not being politically correct, it means you have to be mindful of wide-ranging comment that comes across as absolute. Not the best approach, however, given the twenty republican candidates, with not much options for that base, Trump is 2nd in the polls. If folks want to categorize is ill remarked statements as being ‘honest’ and ‘open’, can you imagine when he has to negotiate foreign policy? I fear not only for ISIS, but Putin, Iran, and the Middle East talks. Joke, Joke, Joke. If he wins, the country will be a joke.
actually, you can hire a documented nanny. Many of my friends went through the process to hire them when we were raising our children
and still many do not. And, I am sure, they are not ALL thieves, drug mules or rapists, right? Which is the point that everyone seems to be missing. Trump mentioned ALL Mexicans are….
NO HE DID NOT. Please read the (stupid) statement her made.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I want Trump to show his bankruptcy statements when he proposes his economic plans for the country. Have him explain how he will boost growth in Atlantic City.
It’s supply and demand … The reason drugs are crossed over are because Americans love their drugs. If there wasnt any demands for them you wouldn’t have a drug smuggling problem. Tu duh! Tamara, you’re an idiot for perpetuating stereotypes of Mexicans. Stick to blogging about reality stars.
Annie, I’ll send you a new bottle of windex, you’re gonna need it.
If they are illegal, how do they pay SS or taxes?
So it’s not the drug dealers fault that there are drug addicts? And did you just tell me what to blog about because that will get you tossed on your pointy dumb head. I’m not perpetuating stereotypes about anyone. I am sayng we don’t need any more drugs flowing into this country.
And This post was about the demise of Celebrity Apprentice and 2 beauty pageants. Both reality shows. Then morons like you showed up.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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He never mentioned any race.
But Obama DID end up producing his BC. So Trump wins. I think he is doing the same thing here bringing up the border catastrophe and what better way to do it than poke the bear…
Agreed.
It is hard for me to believe that people are serious about this twit as a presidential candidate. It is really very scary. I do recall his harassment of the President, insisting that he was born somewhere other than Hawaii. Could it have been because our President’s father was born in Kenya? Funny thing is Trump’s mother was born in Scotland. I don’t think anyone will harass him though.
I think it was several things to make some question, not the least, he received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia during college. What other president has spent $1.4 million to keep every single record sealed? Why would a president that ran on “transparency & full disclosure” issues, once elected not want the public to see one piece of his past?
No, I’m not a “truther” I am a research & gain as much knowledge as I can from every single source I can find as opposed to TV news talking points.
Tick…tick…tick… Something tells me this post is going to go ballistic. Let the games begin…
Wish will only garner more clicks for Tamara, hence, the reason for the post. Good job! I love a good game and I’m also great at chess.
‘Which’ not ‘wish’.
HMMMM……Lemme see here.
ALL on Celebrity Apprentice.
Claudia Jordan.Fired.
Brandi Glanville. Fired.
Donald Trump. Fired.
I fear for Gary Busey.
Not Kenya!
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Donald Trump is saying what everyone else is AFRAID to speak on…Yes we have a major problem with illegal immigrants and it needs to be addressed. Trump is very calculating..he knows exactly what he’s doing…I’m going to sit back and watch the fireworks!
We do have a problem with immigration, in general. Chinese (including all in the Asian continent) immigrants, African immigrants, Caribbean immigrants, Russian immigrants, but to marginalize a group by making statements that they are ALL basically drug mules or rapists is beyond comprehension. All ethnic groups have criminals. I mean, look at ID Discovery, a huge % of the reenactments are caucasians; should we make blanket statements about them? Do ALL whites murder? Additionally, do ALL blacks sell drugs and are rappers? I think not. So ALL Mexicans are not drug mules or rapists. Address the issue of immigration, but again do not oppress a group based on ethnic background with blanket statements. TT, this is the most I’ve commented on your site. If you can’t tell, I love to advocate for the under served.
what Asian continent? You need to study Geography
@ Rosie Banks. And, Asia is a continent. I rest my case.
@oceanblue:
This made me LOL for the first time in days. What Asian continent? Oh, maybe that big one that they call “Asia”. YOU should really brush up on your geography though.
Seriously though, this is typical of the intellectual heft of those with Rosie Banks’s sentiments. You can’t fix stupid. Why even engage?
Ha-ha…you guys are funny. I must have lost the ability to read. I don’t see where Trump said Mexicans. He said illegal immigrants. It is a national security issue
Oceanblue…..do you read? TT has repeatedly said “he did not specifically name a race”. Comprehension is a plus when reading.
So now that we have discussed things like Donald Trump, immigration and the plight of Celebrity Apprentice ….
CAN WE THINK ABOUT THE POOR PAGEANT GIRLS?
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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@isitmeoraretheycrazy
See the pull quote from Donald Trump’s presidential announcement.
Where in this quote he did not mention a country and their nationals? I believe it says Mexico below, right? I don’t necessarily correlate a country with a race, but, he did allege per below, Mexicans are rapists. Although, he did back track and say, “some, I assume, are good people.” Some and assume in a sentence, is an entirely new debate. But, let’s not go there.
When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
@Tamara, yes, poor pageant girls to some degree…
@ericzku
Thanks Eric. It did make me chuckle a bit when I saw @rosie banks response.
I thrive on debates, so, this is healthy for me. To make it easy for folks, here’s a quick reference on Asia, the continent, per Wikipedia. Feel free to use the internet as a resource of learning as well as gossip.
Asia (Listeni/ˈeɪʒə/ or /ˈeɪʃə/) is the Earth’s largest and most populous continent, located primarily in the eastern and northern hemispheres. Though it covers only 8.7% of the Earth’s total surface area, it comprises 30% of Earth’s land area, and has historically been home to the bulk of the planet’s human population (currently roughly 60%). Asia is notable for not only overall large size and population, but unusually dense and large settlements as well as vast barely populated regions within the continent of 4.4 billion people. Asia has exhibited economic dynamism (particularly East Asia) as well as robust population growth during the 20th century, but overall population growth has since fallen to world average levels.[3]
THANK YOU Tamara for saying what millions of people think and thank you Trump as well. It’s not racist to close our borders. Take a look at what Mexicans do to people from South American countries who enter their country illegally. Seriously, Google it. It has nothing to do with race, it’s about a country’s sovereignty. A country without borders is no country. I’ve said for years that political correctness is going be the death of us. It literally has been for those people murdered by illegals.
Broaden your swimlanes.
I meant to type …”what MEXICO (the government) does to people….”
I’m craving tacos.
Tacos? I bet you fly the confederate flag!
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 8:02 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Ha-ha…you guys are funny. I must have lost the ability to read. I don’t see where Trump said Mexicans. He said illegal immigrants. It is a national security issue
Nah. My ancestors are Romanian and German. So I guess I would have to display the Nazi flag?
And, I still want tacos. And bagels. With cream cheese. I’m hungry.
Mmmm… Tacos… Wash them down with a big fat Margarita.
YES!
I am sure Fox will welcome the Donald with open arms. I disagree with his views. I live in a very large border city, El Paso.We have one of the lowest violent crime rates in the nation. Maybe it’s a the lithium in our water supply.
We can’t keep blaming “Those People” of any group for our nation’s problems.
1 in 252 people in El Paso will be the victim of violent crime. http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/tx/el-paso/crime/
You do NOT have one of the lowest violent crime rates in the nation.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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El Paso has a huge population I’ll take my odds there.
Tamara, I am impressed! I am in awe of all of your comebacks, right on the money!
Honey I live in Texas as well. And trust me El Paso is by no means considered a safe town. In fact, most if not all, border towns are no longer considered safe. You, my dear,are absolutely crazy!
I got my info from the congressional quarterly.
Trump is an egotistical piece of shit conman just trying to be shocking to get attention, a lesson he learned, no doubt, from Brandi Glanville.
But he can’t get a tampon string picture.
Wow, that is almost as dumb as the confederate flag comment. You honestly think Brandi Glanville taught Trump anything?
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 8:21 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Well some posters seem to believe their right to freedom of speech allows them to say anything they want at anytime. I’d like to see them walk into a crowded building and yell fire! Then there’s posters who don’t know our continents! The best defense is to register to vote, research the candidates, and vote in the primary and general elections and you should also participate in local and state elections. I commend TT for posting a well written opinion article standing by her convictions.
Oh jeeze I forgot the best Brandi advising Trump baawaahahaaaaa!
I’d rather yell “TACO!”
NBC will be perfectly fine without Trump and I applaud their decision. Some other network will probably pick up the pageants. Mark Burnett will revamp Apprentice. Trump says a lot of stupid things and has claimed to run for president several times before. If he is serious this time he learned a lesson on how to choose his grown up words.
I read the transcript. He said that Mexico and the Middle East were sending us their criminals–drugs, crimes, and rapists–wow all brown people. He is pretty stupid if he thinks he can say crap like that and not piss off a lot of people. Everyone can be replaced. Jeff Probst is smart enough not to make incendiary statements. If he ever did, he’d be voted off the island in a minute. I don’t believe Trump has ever been serious about running. He was trying to get the ratings up for his TV shows and it backfired. He should have spent some of the money on some better PR people. I’ve stayed away from Celebrity Apprentice because I can’t stand the pompous ass–now maybe I’ll give it a chance. At least he’s giving John Stewart a lot of material for his final days on the Daily Show.
Delete me, window licker seat me, banish me I do not care. Trump is a pompous asshole and I’m glad he’s fired. Not all Mexicans here in Arizona had a choice at coming here, there’s a ton of human trafficking and how about children brought in by their parents? If you’re desperate enough to cross the Sonoran desert I’ll give you water and shelter.
But 11 million? I don’t think you can shelter & feed that many people. So, I guess the rest of the country will have to pick up the tab, right?
Exactly.
You are not getting thrown into the WLS. You may be very thirsty really soon though. In the literal sense. And I don’t think the majority of people in your particular state share your opinion.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 8:26 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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No they do not and its heart breaking. I’m sorry if I over spoke, my mother said politics and religion are meant for private places. If I had 11 million cups and beds I’d pass them out.
Don’t be sorry. You didn’t “over speak.” I understand the sentiment. It was heartbreaking when my students families were deported or the father went to jail and was deported. Many, many of the families were lovely, hardworking people who just needed a break like everyone else. The teachers were constantly looking after the families. It’s a very hard situation. But the fact of the matter is we don’t have 11-30 million cups and beds to give away. We have Americans sleeping under a bridge 2 miles from my house. If I make a beer run to the “convenience” store closest to my house I am always paying 3X as much for beer because everyone in there is worse of than I am and I end up buying their food or groceries or beer. At the same school where the immigrants were being feted, we had American kids whose only meal of the day was from the cafeteria. This country is trillions of dollars in debt, our prisons are over crowded. Our school systems are over burdened, our welfare systems are bankrupt. We just don’t have 11 million cups sweetie. We need to come up with a lower number. And more importantly WE NEED TO KNOW WHO IS ENTERING OUR COUNTRY.
Did you know we are under a terror threat for Saturday? Do you know how easy it would be for a terrorist cell to march across our southern border? We feel awfully safe over here, but we aren’t. We are sitting ducks.
We don’t have 11 million cups or 30 million cups or any more prison beds at all. I get the emotional desire to help. I do. But we need to put an oxygen mask on ourselves before we can help others, and this country is all kinds of fucked up.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 10:48 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Wow. I wouldn’t even consider bringing a stranger into my place. And, no, that is not a racist comment. I just don’t like people, in general. Good for you for taking a stand.
No immigrants would want to live with me. They would flee back to wherever they came from. 🙂 Banjo can barely tolerate me. I think he is plotting to escape …
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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They don’t!! Hell I don’t……..enough is enough.
Forgot to say when do you think ABC will
Make a comment since the own univision?
Ay ya yay, Tamarita! Just when we were getting along. Yes, illegal immigration is a problem, but Trump is a pandering asshole! And a huevón!
I don’t speak much Mexican. 🙂 But I imagine that last word is probably apt for him.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Yeah, I’m just going to disagree with you in this one, TT, and leave it at that.
This. It’s her website, but I have to disagree.
Disagreeing is allowed her contrary to popular thought. Stupidity isn’t. False statistics from foreigners are not. But if there is something you disagree with, I’d love to know what it is.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I’m not a foreigner TT, and you’re of course free to counter any of those statistics I’ve stated with those of your own. At this point I’m feeling as though you’re calling me both stupid, and a liar. I’m done with this topic I’ve said my piece, and I stand by everything I’ve said.
Actually, at this point I have invited you to post links to the statistics you cited so I can post them.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 10:35 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I’m just curious what you disagree with….
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Great post, TT!
Perusing the comments I’m thunderstruck at times and laughing even more.
First of all, don’t you know the only group you can generalize about is conservatives!?!? This is common knowledge these days! We can’t speak of “illegal” immigrants breaking laws, certainly not blacks erring in judgement only white conservatives can be lumped together and of course they’re all racist hating bigots. Be careful saying we don’t have the resources for every illegal immigrant….that makes you a hater.
Wonky, I live where you claim and I’m unsure what in hades you are speaking of concerning the net benefits we are getting here bc of illegal immigrants. Add, I’d suggest you take a look at some actual crime statistics for our area. You are way off as it seems are many others, here spouting how safe their city is based on what seems their crime watch stats in their subdivision not any actual statistics for their city.
The outrage over perceived words not actual ones is shocking. We are fast becoming, home of the perpetually offended & outraged as opposed to the brave & free. As long as we refuse to discuss actual issues & problems in our country, we will only decline in our standards of living on every level. Hopefully a day will come where we can put on our big kid pants & deal with problems without getting our wittle feelings hurt.
Shanandcrew–
Like most Americans I will be forever haunted by the images of those poor people jumping from the World Trade Towers.
And everyone can hold the lectures about how those 19 evil monsters didn’t sneak across the southern border. Yeah, I get that.
But it is probably a more dangerous world TODAY then it even was back on 9/11. And yet here we are wringing our hands and parsing the words of Donald P. T. Barnum Trump. And slinging mud while we miss the point.
I enjoyed your well written post.
Here is hoping that everyone enjoys a safe Fourth of July
As of 2006, Oaxaca Mexico was the source of the second highest number of people entering the US illegally. Oaxaca is nowhere near the border so this is significant. Why the high numbers? With the signing of NAFTA, agricultural Mexico struggled to compete with a highly federally subsidized US agricultural market. The impact upon farming families was massive, and ultimately the opportunity provided in the US was more viable than remaining in Oaxaca. Now there were losers on the US side with the signing of NAFTA as well, but the circumstances of being in the US still left one in a better position to support one’s family than for those in Oaxaca. Having met and worked with these people I can assure you that these decisions were often gut wrenching and families ripped apart. There was no PREFERENCE to being in the US, and rarely will you meet people who have immigrated here – legally and illegally – who don’t have some deep wish that the economic circumstances could have changed or the conflict in their homeland could have subsided so as to stay.
So yes I take issue with bombastics like Donald Trump who have the audacity to run for presidency simplifying a problem that exists GLOBALLY with intentionally controversial language to incite.
The anecdote above is merely one example of people entering the US with NO intention to “rape, rob and steal”. We must seek solutions but dehumanizing and degrading has never helped us solve complex problems intelligently.
And for those of you who want to debate whether or not it is racist, it is absolutely xenophobic.
It is neither racist nor xenophobic. It is a tremendous problem for the security of out country that we have no workable immigration system in place. We need a legal way for immigrants to come this country but we have to be cognizant of the limited resources. We can’t take everybody. And we have to take people that bring with them the skills of being productive, law-abiding citizens. And more importantly we need to keep out the drug dealers and the gang bangers, we need to keep terrorist from being able to cross so easily into this country. There is nothing xenophobic or racist about that.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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It shocks me that you can’t see the difference between making that particular reasonable argument and calling almost all undocumented workers rapist and drug mules. I. Don’t understand how you honestly can’t understand why Mexicans and other Latinos immigrants would find it racist to be labeled as mostly rapist and drug mules.
Maybe you just honestly can’t relate to what it feels like to be a minority where other peoples prejudices and hate mongering has real life consequences of how you are treated by society. While it’s all theoretical and statistics for you when it comes to what percentage of Latino immigrants are evil and dangerous rapist and drug dealers. It. Is. Not for those who are brown with an accent. When people assume you are those stereotypes they tend to treat you and your family accordingly.
This is why people have such a strong reaction to racist hate mongering.
I get what you are saying but he didn’t say that about all Mexicans or Hispanics. He did imply that most of the illegal immigrants are criminals beyond being here against the law, and that was not fair.
You even conceded below that his allegations that many people who enter this country illegally are engaged in criminal activity BEYOND this is unfair. I think it is a wholly irrational assumption. It completely meets the definition of xenophobia that I understand. As for whether it is racist, there are gross inconsistencies in our nation’s sentiments towards people who enter this country illegally. Boston is a great case in point. There are many Irish here illegally CURRENTLY – no I am not harkening back to the days of the famine. A blind eye is totally given to this – and I can assure you it is not because their activities in the US are void of crime. Most conversations I hear about immigration in this country are still rife with microagressions and even blatantly racist attitudes. I won’t necessarily tie that to Trump yet but I won’t give him a pass either. To pretend that this country’s very serious issue with race disappears when the topic of immigration arises seems too good to be true.
I hope THE DONALD gets somewhere with this topic. I am all for securing our borders……it is LONG overdue and as TT stated it may be too late.
Oh boy. So messy.
Please hide your ignorance Tamara (and TT window/booty lickers). Do yourself a favor and stick to blogging about reality TV shows and complaining about Nene Leakes (or celebrating her RHOA departure). Leave conversations about the politics, logistics of our immigration system to the educated adults. Let’s not forget this country was stolen from other people; black people have extremely high crime rates which contributes to the justification of racism and racial profiling in our legal system; and white people have turned middle-America into the meth capital of the world while successfully draining MOST of the resources available to low income people and retirees (from welfare to Medicaid and social security), while trying to have sex with their relatives a-la Josh Duggar.
It is ridiculous statements like the ones you and your beloved Donald Trump make that contribute to the trashy, uneducayed perception the U.S. portrays to the rest of the world. Just like you say Trump doesn’t need Univision/NBC, us informed Bravo fans don’t need your uninformed political opinion. By the way, do us all a favor and stop bitching about everything under the sun. Just stick to spilling tea, which is what you’re actually good at.
Christian, your reading comprehension skills suck. What gave you the impression that Trump is beloved by me? I do respect his forthrightness no matter how abysmally he tried to make his point.
Did you seriously just type uneducayed? When insulting my education?
I’m actually WAY better at bitching than spilling the tea.
This read is really making my day.
Racism is justified? Did I really read that?
I am white, and have never touched meth in my life. I am currently on SSDI, but it’s not my fault I got sick. Wow.
There is so much I want to say about your comment, but I won’t. I will exercise my right to remain silent.
rut ro……
He’s an idiot and he’s not running. As soon as financial disclosures need to be filed, he’s gone. It’s for publicity. So did you see Nene quit RHOA
You know nene called a quits to RHOA. She said she’s slmoving on via her Instagram and peoples mag.
Yes, I just saw that as well on my gossip site. TT, what’s the scoop? I”m feeling for some ‘ginger’ tea. We are salivating! Or, should I say looking to quench our thirst. Claudia, Claudia, Claudia, are you back? Thot gone. Southern belle? RHOA, I might just tune in for the next season.
The USA is sorely in need of excellent presidential candidates. Every four years I hope to say “he/she would make a great president”…….
I agree with you SO MUCH Natalie. EVERY FUCKING ELECTION it’s a contest to see who sucks worse. THERE HAVE TO BE BETTER CANDIDATES IN THIS COUNTRY THAN WHAT WE ARE GIVEN! Across all parties. Why can’t one of the third parties give us SOMEONE at least????
and another AMEN TT!
I wish. Our system would work far better with more options outside of this two party circus we have going, but with big money as it is in campaigns, fat chance of that being revamped anytime soon 🙁
Shae, Yesterday, the Supreme Court said gerrymandering was unconstitutional–what a week! Now, if they would change their decision on Citizens United we might have more of a chance at fair elections.
Umm, I feel really bad for the pageant girls
Thank You, Tuffy! The plight of the pageant girls is being overlooked. And poor Baton Rouge who is hosting the pageant.
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Dayum …. all that wasted Vaseline on teeth. I’m shedding tears for those poor girls. NBC is the devil incarnate..
How can anyone consider Trump a credible candidate? He spent the last two presidential elections claiming he had proof that President Obama was born in Kenya and therefore not a legitimate candidate/president. But we have yet to see this proof.
There’s definitely a case to be made for controlling immigration but disparaging a whole group of people in the process is not the way to do it. It’s interesting to see how his rhetoric resonates with some people.
This comment I agree with. You will find the people who are living in border towns, particularly in Texas and Arizona ready to elect ANY FUCKTARD ON THE BALLOT who is even remotely willing to mention the problem exists.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 9:30 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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True! (Trying to stay out of it though)
What find interesting is that there are a lot of regulars who post here that are from Texas, but they are not commenting. That speaks volumes to me. Immigration needs to seriously be addressed in this country. Trump’s delivery caused more conversation about racism than immigration reform. Sad.
I don’t know why anyone who has been a regular visitor of this site is at all surprised by Tamara’s comments. Does anyone recall her rants about “the animals” during the Ferguson situation in November? For someone who has engaged in so much international travel, she has a very narrow world view. It’s truly unfortunate.
You know what, I would be lying if I said TT doesn’t have me boiling hot under the collar just now, but one thing I clearly understand about her right now is that this is an extremely hot button issue for her, and If I can’t make room for that reality, and try to approach the issue from an oblique angle, then the best I can do is shut the hell up and let her work her way through it, but the fucking one thing I’m not gonna do is use this moment against her. Fuck OFF!
I’m not hot under the collar or even hormonal at the moment Wonky Tonk. I was under the impression that you lived in another country. IF you are in New Orleans, then state your case. You might notice I haven’t really gone hard on anyone. I’d much rather discuss this topic with you than discuss Nene Leakes which I am so over.
Please tell me why you are so irritated. Is it because I can post links to stats and you can’t? How about you post your statistics and I will moderate them through.
Take a deep breath. It’s really okay to have conversations like this. I just don’t have time to research your statistics because Nene is either quitting or pulling a stunt. You can put whatever links you want up. I realize it’s not a particularly level playing field here but I am really not wanting to run you off or upset you. NOw let me go with Nene while you research and I’ll be back.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:38 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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And yet, Liz, here you are. You could be at any number of the millions of sites on the Internet, but my limited world view just seems to fascinate you.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 9:44 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Yet you keep coming back for more. Who’s the idiot?
Why the personal insults toward someone for having different opinions? I’m curious. I don’t see the need to personally insult unless you deem yourself much more intelligent and I’m sure you’re not that narrow minded to believe yourself intellectually superior to TT and others.
LOL! ISIS is a threat to the US?
Facts: the only terrorist to the US are the white supremacist groups, despite these their true dangerous potential is downplayed.
Spoken like a true Canookian.
I think CanadianGirl is about 14, that comment made no sense.
Love, the USA
You are so right Canadian Girl. The white supremacists scare me more than anyone.
Ok….a moment of silence for Bristol Palin then?
Way to get folks engaged TT! Debate is always necessary. Okay, for those who don’t know, I am proudly Canadian and I live there. Since we share a border with U.S. I just want to add the following. The national security issues are real and terrifying. Everyone agrees. Why the hell did Trump diluted this issue with, “They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” And some? SOME? It can only be offensive to add this. The issue is real serious. Donald Trump, however, is a joke. I say seal the borders up THOROUGHLY. Asap! Give them all the money needed. Then create an immediate pathway to citizenship for those who are already in. I get it leaves a bad taste in some people’s mouth; but desperate people did desperate things. Who wouldn’t do the same for their family? Plus, by giving those already here legal status, they will spread out across the country and not overcrowd the southern states. Just my take, and not meant with any condescension. I am a U.S. political junky for the past 14 Years. I think both our countries have to remain vigilant when it comes to border security. Great reading such fire responses!
Ms Eday—
I tend to find that whatever the subject—even a passionate and divisive one like this one—you come across as a respectful and calm voice of reason. I really appreciate your comments.
I am reading this thread and cannot help but chuckle at the zero-to-sixty knee jerk responses of people. Holy crap— we got people settin themselves on fire, running around doing the emotional Hokey Pokey, speaking in tongues about fantasy statistics, bagels and the confederate flag. And of course, screaming RACISM at the top of their lungs.
Some of this subject is complicated; most of it is not.
The borders must be secure.
First, love the name! Maisey Dobbs is a fave character of mine. Thanks for the love. I can’t stand Donald. He is an ass. But that doesn’t matter as much as coming together on solutions does. Call me Chay. So glad to chat with you. Peace.
OMG! YOU ARE A CANOOKIAN! ???? *GAY GASP* I had no idear. Seriously. But I agree with everything you said despite being a furriner.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Well said, Chay Eday.
Ah… a zen moment. Let’s all inhale and exhale.
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:31 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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“Ah… a zen moment. Let’s all inhale and exhale.”
Watch out or I will email you a recording of me singing “Let it go.” Hey, I just had an idea for a replacement on Celebrity Apprentice: Michael Kors. He is always so mean on Runway.
“They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” And some? SOME? It can only be offensive to add this. The issue is real serious. Donald Trump, however, is a joke. ”
They are building and cleaning all of his hotels and office buildings….
So all “illegal” immigrants are rapists and only “some” are good people? Trump is talking out of his ass because he does not know the immigration status of every person supposedly here “illegally.” And this is someone who thinks he is qualified to serve as Peesident? Educate yourself Mr. Trump and get some compassion while you are at it. And for anyone who did not think he was denigrating Mexicans with that comment, you are a dumbass. P.S. I am a Republican and am ashamed this man is running.
Well he did say Mexico is not our friend. He meant the government. Definitely not the soccer team. I doubt he even knows what soccer is. The Mexican government is not Mexico’s friends either.
I just think it is sad that my personal OPSEC is better than my country’s ability to secure the borders. Securing my borders is the primary job of Banjo with a Smith & Wesson and Glock (made in my hood) back up.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 10:31 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Wow, I’m legitimately shocked that you are defending this clown!! I’m an avid reader and love your blog, but dang! Trump is painting Mexicans with a big, broad, criminalized brush and it is disgusting. Come on, I don’t even believe that you don’t see this as racism disguised as a “policy issue.” NBC and Univision did the right thing!!!
The US is paying 89 billion dollars a year to support illegal immigrants, only half are Mexican.
Meh agree to disagree.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 10:43 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I have enjoyed your site for years and unfortunately I will not be back. Your own ignorant comments and your obvious support of Trump’s assenine and highly prejudiced comments are disgusting. I do not agree with illegal immigration either but to state that Mexico is not sending their best, that they are sending over drug dealers and rapists is a gross misrepresentation of the facts. It’s a shame that you felt the need to propigate his bs instead of just feed us the entertaining reality tv fluff we expect from you.
Words cannot express how much I hate that I failed to meet your expectation of my website. Adios!
Stephanie
Oh my God….No! Just NO!
please, please, please…I beg of you!!
don’t go…please don’t go.
Stay, I implore you with all that is good and holy.
Stay and make us complete. Make me whole.
your departure will crush our empty souls and make us forever hum the repetitive and haunting theme song from the Titanic.
In your absence here is hoping Tamara’s heart will go on.
I do not understand why TT is actually defending Trump. His idea of governing (as in I will make this country do this, I will make the government do that) makes it sound like he is running to be a dictator.
His economic policy: what are his qualifications, exactly? How many bankruptcies has he had? And he inherited his wealth, still lost it several times and screwed over his debtors by declaring bankruptcy but thinks he can run a country.
Diplomacy: I don’t think he knows the word. What does he have to offer this country?
I don’t get it. I admire TT and enjoy this site but sometimes there is a hint of discomfort when I read the views on here. It is like a dog whistle that some of us hear very clearly and others bend over backwards to ignore.
I missed the part where I defended Trump. I just didn’t think he was being racist. I understand his “party line.”
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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TT
I think you made yourself crystal clear:
It’s about secure borders, limited resources and an overly taxed system without sustainable answers.
It never came across to me as liking/disliking Trump, politics, race of any kind or Mexicans specifically.
You never once mentioned his hair either.
Not sure what people aren’t getting here tonite.
Trump is a showboating windbag. I’m still waiting on him to deliver on his big promise to prove Obama’s birth certificate was forged. He’s a blowhard and a joke and I can’t believe people are buying him as a serious candidate. On the plus side, with all those inflated egos on the stage the debates should be better television than his reality show. I’d love to hear him talking about fiscal responsibility as he explains how many times he’s filed for bankruptcy, and about family values when he’s on his third wife. Just because we have big problems in this country doesn’t mean we should be listening to a cartoon character tell us how to solve them. Jeez.
If he’s so worried about the border, why doesn’t he stop spending his money on a lost cause of becoming president, and finance the wall he so desperately wants. Seems simple to me.
“We feel awfully safe over here, but we aren’t.” I haven’t felt safe for years. I think terrorists can get here easily by plane … no need to go to the trouble of flying to Mexico then crossing the border into the U.S., and then there are the home grown terrorists …
The vitriol being spewed at and by commenters which includes Tamara is truly disheartening and has left no-one looking good. Regardless of your ( your – all commenters, not your – specific to Tamara) position on how Donald Trump addressed the topic of illegal aliens and whether his comments speak to what you believe is really happening just know that being vile to each other only derails what could be a very interesting debate. Reading this post and its posted comments has really disappointed me.
Please we spew more vitriol over the housewives than this, this mild. Are you new?
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:23 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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terrorists have been natural born citizens and there really is no way to close our borders to them. The founders of this country were killer immigrants, we are uniquely called a melting pot because of all the immigrants having meshed here. everywhere I look there is plenty of land and resources; we waste too much money on false wars on terrorism. The U.S. alone has enough food to FEED THE WORLD, so maybe we should evaluate how our resources are being dispersed. It’s fine to feel how you feel about immigration, but to agree with a blanket statement marginalizing a whole group of people as rapists and murderers, but he ‘supposed some are good’, only exposes racism. Being so adamant to tell people to listen to his message and ignore the ‘stupid’ way he says it, only further highlights your flippant acceptance of these racist beliefs. I am not an immigrant nor am I hispanic, but there are rapists and murderers in every race and income bracket
You are an idiot “normal” and probably dropped out of school in the sixth grade to milk cows. That is fine, but you don’t have the intellect to insert yourself in this conversation, or vote.
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 2:01 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Tt it is you whose portraying your own intellect on politics as that of an uneducated hillbilly redneck racist. Hence why many here are offended and volunteering to lick windows. I would agree with the others and say stick to housewives recaps, but it seems your redneck stupidity is garnering even more hits, perhaps out of disbelief, than your recaps. So make your money honey. Btw I have a masters but have often dreamt about living on a farm and milking cows 😉
Haha….It IS the end of the month, after all. The hits keep a coming!
I love it when people show their insecurity by posting their resume.
Have a taco. It will taste much better than the window, I’m sure!
I made a run for the border and I am eating tacos!
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Oh, damn! I don’t get paid until tomorrow. But then, watch out! I will have a regular oinkfest! Olé!
I am an ignorant cunt satchel that just took a stupid jab at someone on disability for cancer because she pointed out my insecurities. Tamara has sent me to the part of WSL she can’t even see anymore. I should probably kill myself.
If you are referring to a jab at me, I missed it. You need to up your game.
If I am being completely honest, I am fascinated by you and some of your other regular commenters. I suppose it’s the same reason that all of us watch train wreck Reality TV. I personally chalk it up to occupational hazard. I suppose I’m intrigued by your contradictory behavior at times. I guess it boils down to you having the capacity to be empathetic but not sympathetic. For instance, when most viewers were skewering Aviva for all of her phobias, I was pleasantly surprised at your defense of her. However, I have been horrified at your treatment of anyone who simply questions you. I don’t understand the name calling and in particular the insistence on the use of the word “retard” considering you were a teacher. You really just seem like a plain old bully at times. I’m not suggesting you change, clearly it works for you. I don’t even know why I’m bothering to write this. I’ve quelled the urge for awhile. And yes, I realize I don’t have to visit this site but it really is just like a car accident.
To clarify, my last post was in response was to being called an “idiot” for continuing to visit the site. It was posted out of order. I’m sure I’ll be further disparaged as being uneducated as is par for the course.
oh Lizapalooza, don’t you have summer school tomorrow?
I’m rather well educated actually, but thank you for your concern. However, my field of study is exactly why I find all of this so interesting.
Someone mentioned emergency room overcrowding, I noticed this a week or so ago. I fell and suffered with an effed up shoulder/ribs on a Saturday to avoid the ER. A friend told me about Urgent Care/Patient First so I went there. Apparently they exist for people WITH insurance so the ERs don’t explode with uninsured. Their diagnosis was wrong, my shoulder and ribs were NOT broken when my Osteo guy checked, but it did save one step and a million hours. Another way our country has had to adjust for the people entering illegally.
I am a naturalized American citizen from Mexico. I applaud your position. I was raised in Texas in a border town and can attest to the problems brought about by illegal immigration. Thanks Tamara!
FTL, I applaud your going through the process of becoming a citizen. I live in Texas and know exactly what you are saying. This discussion has taken on a life of it’s own. Bottom line…something needs to be done. Hoping TT is wrong about being too late.
Sorry Tamara, on my cell, I could not see it. Won’t happen again, back to laptop 🙂
I think to categorize “illegal” immigrants as criminals, rapists, and the like while somehow trying to say that “legal” immigrants are just fine is iffy. Plus, he specifically cited Mexicans. Just crazy. There are lots of immigrants who come here illegally who have the same reasons and intentions as the legal ones, just less means and less opportunity to go the legit route. The fact that trump made it seem as if the MAJORITY of people coming into our country illegally are violent criminals and some, he assumes, are good people, is crazy. I would counter that it’s the other way around. People aren’t flocking to america as a safe haven for criminals and rapists, people take drastic steps to come here who are in far worse and unsafe conditions at home and are willing to do anything to escape it. Is it right? no. Is it legal? no. Do i understand it? yes. If my family was in danger in my country, I had no livelihood, etc. I would cross a border illegally if it meant a better situation for myself or family, or if it was a matter of life and death. It would be even better if it we made it easier for people to come here legally so we could track, monitor and keep a paper trail.
I do not believe that the vast majority of people coming into the country illegally are violent felons waiting to happen. More often than not they are our base of unskilled labor in this country just looking for work. I am not glorifying this, or saying that border control (with terrorism such a threat today) is not to be taken seriously, but to imply with his words and tone that when “mexico sends it’s people over our border they’re bringing crime, rape, violence, drugs” etc is entirely inflammatory and not true.Those drugs are coming regardless, because americans want them. Don’t peg that on the illegal population.
I did not get the impression Trump was indicating his issue was with “illegal” mexican immigrants vs. legal ones, but rather with mexicans, period. It certainly came off that way, and if this man fancies himself to be president one day he needs to learn the art of making difficult points and delivering sensitive information in a much less, insulting and inflammatory way. (which he won’t, because he’ll never be elected).
I am shocked by your comments Tamara. I honestly thought you were brighter than what you have written in your comments. Get your facts straight, not all illegal immigrants are doing whats youve stated above. The vast majority are people that are trying to provide better lives for people back at home. That was a deeply ignorant comment.
fs the ENTIRE point was that so many people are hearing that Trump said that ALL (insert whatever misunderstanding you have of it here) are drug dealers and rapists. Trump did not say that, I and most certainly didn’t. I stand by my comments, but not your inaccurate interpretation of them.
We won’t secure our borders from terrorists and the like, but we will collect all data in emails from the American people, molest and radiate them at airports when traveling, listen in on our phone calls, etc. The American people are treated like criminals while simply trying to live our lives and we’re told that all this invasive liberty-stealing stuff must be done so we can monitor in case of potential terrorists, and yet we allow anyone and everyone to cross the border. Makes no sense. Wake up citizens, you are being duped big time.
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Mr. Trump is RIGHT and everyone knows it. They area just too afraid of not be politically correct. That is the problem with our country now and I LOVE my country, America. We all need to protect it, and that means we can’t please everyone. The government can’t support everyone, and no one work. That is crazy, and we can’t support all the illegals that are coming through our borders, it has to stop, and Donald Trump knows it. We need someone that has business sense to run this country. The politicians if anyone has noticed haven’t done a very good job. to say the least. Our current pres. said things would change, oh boy did they. The US has slipped so far down the latter it is going to take a miracle from GOD to help us. But people are so worried about be politically correct in their words, that they are missing the whole problem and turning their heads away and not looking at what is happening. I pray we have the backbone to stand up and take our country back. GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!!! By the way you don’t hear that too much anymore from our white house do you. We need to be proud, stand up for ourselves and be strong. Prove Isis WRONG!
Hey everyone! I think we should all separate the messenger (offensive blowhard) with the issue (security and sustainability). Let me say this. For ME and many of us, Trump’s words were very prejudiced. However, to others, it was not. That is okay! Not everything offends everyone. Just because you were offended/not offend, it doesn’t mean anything towards the issue of security and sustainability. A lot of attacks on Trump’s statement are being answered with comments on Border Security. To me they are and should remain separate.
I have suffered the looks given by those who think you are worthless, less than, and probably evil. I have heard the dog whistles and shocked denials of their existence. And yet, the ISSUES are more fucking important than fighting with others whom we have no real beef with, other than the fact that they were or were not offended. (removing my filter in 3…2…1…)
1st. Fuck the hell off Wrongald Trump! You and your greedy corporate cronies continue to feast and yet destroy. Your opinion does not matter to me and your basic logic is sooo Sarah Palin, that I hope you do stay in the race. HA!
2nd. Whoever is not behind border security need to stop, look, and listen way more. There is no benefit to slack security for such a bountiful and powerful nation. NONE. Resources are limited and desperate folks do desperate things.
3rd. The path to citizenship needs to be sped up. 10 Years to too long and detrimental and STUPID.
4th. (and final) Don’t get hurt because others aren’t. This is a social site full of folks with different wounds and war cries. Engage AND listen. Empathize if you want to, but let others choose the same for themselves.
With tons of respect and equal passion, Chay Eday. Peace
Thank you, Chay Eday!!!
No prob lisamia. Wow, is it hot in here or what! I think I’ll skip my Pilates class today. I’ll just start dancing because Nene is leaving housewives! Oh. And Brandi! Yipee! Peace.
Hot here too! And my air conditioner broke last night. Waiting for the apartment AC tech to call. 🙁 I might take an family leave day.
Chay Eday, my son built a section of the fence and I live in a town that is surrounded by row crops.
I have a very good idea.
Bravo TT. I’m on your side!
ps – today on the radio I heard Trump say that he had already turned down another season of Apprentice because of his Presidential run. That’s why he said ‘they (NBC) can say whatever they want’, and he didn’t talk about lawsuits against NBC. In effect, he was saying that he already quit them, and now they are trying to say they quit him to score PC points.
If he drops out of the Pres race, I’ll bet NBC makes nice with him and they do another season of Apprentice. I love that show, and I don’t see anyone else in the role. It’s so great how his kids and other advisors suck up to him, and how he just cuts off people in the board room. I’ve tried watching the UK version with Lord Sugar and it’s just not as fun. I guess it is the C-list actors and bravo stars that make the US version so good.
TT: Re your very long list of crime statistics – Are these crimes caused by illegal aliens? Also, exactly how many border patrol agents have died in the line of duty? My understanding is that there have been 8 agents who have died since 1990. Now I realize there may be other statistics, which is why I am asking.
Do you not know how to do your own research? It’s pretty simple to look up such information.
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Many border agents have been killed by Mexicans
How many is “many.” My RESEARCH tells me that the amount of violence against border patrol agents has decreased since 2009 and certainly is a great deal less than that of police in our cities. The exact numbers seem to change depending on who you believe. I do want our borders to be safe. I grew up near the opposite border where it is easier to cross although the requirements are somewhat more stringent than they once were.
Swing voters, which i am, determines the outcome or at least has a serious effect on elections. Trump made me sit up and listen. Im sorry but i dont want another Bush in charge.
I’m an independent too. zenjen. I haven’t ruled out Hillary… I don’t think Trump will be the R candidate. But I love that he is bringing up immigration. I hope that is a topic in the debates.
Speaking of the debates the Univsion/WaPo debate is already affected. Someone from Univision I believe likened Trump to the Charleston Shooter. Now candidates are being urged to boycott the debate unless the Univision employee is fired.
I wish someone with more speaking ability than Trump (which is basically anyone ) would have manned up to tackle the subject head on. The politicians are terrified to touch the subject.
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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As someone who has had family save and scrimp and wait for years to come over legally I am offended by anyone just taking it upon themselves to skip all the steps because they feel entitled to get into the US. My uncle’s situation was not any better in Asia than anyone who might be impoverished elsewhere but he came over the right way, the legal way, and paid what he had to in order to come to the US to become a pizza delivery person for awhile. Just because you are poor doesn’t mean it can’t be done legally!
Okay NbC will stand behind liar face Brian Williams but not Trump who tells the truth.
Okay.
Got.it.
Everyone has to be so PC these days…Trump said what others won’t and people are reading too much into it. I for one are very worried about those pageant girls! Thanks Tamara for putting a little sarcasm into our lives. Too bad everyone has to be offended by it. I am not going to look up statistics but I live on the border in Texas and I have eyes. With all due respect, y’all have no idea.
I don’t think the only options for speaking respectfully are “overly PC” and outright “inflammatory/offensive”. Trump conveyed his message in an extremely inflammatory way with a very poor choice of words.
I agree being SO concerned about offending anyone to the point where you fail to even address the point is not effective either. Let’s put that in the classification of “overly PC”.
Why can’t someone address the issue head on WITHOUT being an obxnoxious blowhard about it? Surely it can be done. One can speak frankly without being needlessly and overly offensive. It would go a long way toward getting people to listen to the point if it could be dealt with with a little more tact.
I agree Shae, but so far the options that the politicians exercise is to avoid the situation entirely. When it comes to immigration they focus on fixing the legal immigration process. Which is great and necessary. But we need to address the open borders.
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Agreed. We can’t get our politicians to behave like adults and address a complex problem. They cherry pick and pander. How about fixing the process, securing the border, and finding a way to deal with who is already here? It’s a pipe dream lol
The only thing they’re unfailingly good at these days is overcomplicating and getting nothing done.
I have no problem with the issue of illegal immigration and the consequences of it being brought up. It should be, as well as many other issues we have going on right now, but you shoot yourself in the foot when you broach a high tension issue in a foolish way using racially loaded words and statements. Trump is not gifted with the ability to discuss things in such a way. I wish we had more politicians who felt they were able to be real/pragmatic and respectful at the same time.
Cat constantly bringing up tacos has made me hungry.
But I want a Mark Cuban Sandwich.
Maisey, that’s the sanest comment on this thread yet — 🙂
TT my son built a large section of the border fence. Not going to say what section because that would identify him.
He said it’s a good fence but stops and starts with political or environmental influences.
As fast as he put up a section “they” would find a way over it. Screwdriver type tools in the shoes, pulling vehicles up to fence with ladders but with that happening it’s still a good fence. Not easily to breech.
There are huge gaps though. Financing or politics stop it. After spending months down there he said he was disgusted at the openness of the boarder.
Mexico is not sending us their best.
Not to mention the tunnels…we find the tunnels eventually, but by then, there are new tunnels. ANYONE can get into these tunnels that has serious intent to get into the US, and no, they are not Mexico’s finest OR any other countries. It’s really quite serious.
Oh gosh that makes me remember “Weeds”!
You better believe it is serious, G-Snap. (that’s your Hip-Hop name
Maisey, you are a hoot! “G-Snap”…I love it!
I hope that SOMEBODY (anybody) in a position of power, takes the necessary steps to control our borders, before it IS too late. Trump didn’t tell me anything that I wasn’t already aware of, he didn’t say anything that the Fed’s aren’t already aware of….but still, we have porous borders and tunnels. My question is WHY, but there are no answers…it’s just politics as usual.