Robert Shapiro sent an attorney to court on behalf of Kim Richards to enter a not guilty plea today on three misdemeanor charges of public intoxication, resisting arrest and battery of a peace officer. Her attorney stated that Kim is currently in a residential rehab facility following her drunken antics in Cabo.
Deputy District Attorney Leila Tahmassebia offered a plea deal offer for Richards that includes three years probation, 30 days of community service or 30 days county jail, 52 AA classes and payment of restitution to the victim. Who exactly would she pay restitution to? The bar? How would they be out any damages? That seems like an odd thing to include unless it is just boiler plate.
Kim was also told to stay away from the Beverly Hills Hotel. The deputy district attorney handed over discovery materials to the defense attorney including a DVD which I expect is a copy of the security video shot the night of Kim’s disruptive behavior in the Polo Lounge. A July 16 pretrial hearing was set. In theory, Kim faces up to 30 months in jail. That will never happen. All the charges are misdemeanors. I expect her to take the plea deal after her attorney meets with her to present the offer.
I have no reason to believe there is any factual basis for the “rumors on line” that Kim is in a rehab to last for 1, 2, 3 years depending on what day they tell it. 🙂
Kim has more than this legal issue to worry about because Kingsley’s victims seem to be flooding the courtroom. If you missed any of Kim’s woes, and there are many, click here to get caught up!
There is so much overcrowding in the jails and prisons in CA and I don’t recall that there is any previous record for Kim. This seems like a really fair offer. Kim is a substance abuser, not a criminal and I’m glad this incident forced her to face her demons. 30 days community service sounds a lot better than 30 days in jail.
If Lindsay Lohan could avoid all the jail time with all of her repeated hijinx, Kim’s not going to do time OR she would be released and out within 8-10 hours of reporting to jail.
Given the fact that she was already inebriated when she drove to the Polo Lounge, she’s extremely fortunate things didn’t turn out even worse . No, she’s not technically a ‘criminal’ …yet. I do hope she will fight the good fight for her kids, if not for herself.
That sounds about like what I expected. TT, please call in a favor and get us the security tape;)
I expect TMZ is trying to get it now.
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I imagine they’re offering satchels of gold for that tape
would that be cunt satchels of gold ? ;-D
ha!
Might “restitution to the victim” be for “battery of a peace officer” ?
Who knows? She needs to take that plea deal, though. If she knows what’s good for her?
Maybe, but it was a kick in the shin IIRC. Nothing usual about that in the line of duty.
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Good scoop. When I was married to a cop he was routinely bitten, spit on, fighting, head split open with one attached handcuff on suspect, broken hands from beating/fighting drunken people, etc and never got any restitution. so I too wonder about that piece of it-but our situation was in Louisiana maybe things are different in cali. cannot wait to see the video. you know it has to be good!
Question- are mandatory scheduled/unscheduled drug screens a part of this plea deal?
I would hope so. Good question.
Drug screens would likely be part of the probation terms. No sense putting her on probation w/o making sure she’s not using, imo.
When I took a break in Nola from
Media relations I worked for DA diversion unit. My case load was around 150. Had to see them weekly on probation and random drug screen once a week done at courthouse. I would do a call and they had one hour to get there. Then every now and then the office director would say call now and we pulled 1000 in randomly same week they already they already tested. Every now and then I would get a call from A deputy that my client had clean pee strapped to his leg. They were always violated immediately. But again, louisiana.
There was no mention of it in any of the versions that I read online.
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I have a HUGE problem with courts forcing people to do AA, because 1) it DOES have a religious underpinning and 2) it’s supposed to be anonymous.
I remember a friend was sentenced to court ordered AA and had to get signatures proving they went – so what did he do? He went to the bar, had people fill out fake names and times and submitted it. There was no way to check if he had really done it without violating the Anonymous part.
Yeah and the whole anon part goes out the window if you are a celebrity.
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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With the drugs they found in her system at the time of arrest routine drug testing would be a good way to keep a check on her during probation. They are making her do 52 AA meetings. At least for the 3 years worth of probation she would be monitored by the justice system.
Hopefully 52 AA meetings will help.
She will be told to do 90 meetings in 90 days when she gets out. So once a week is a VERY low bar. That said, I don’t think the courts should force AA on people. It has a shitty track record and there are other programs that don’t use it. Plus it’s a religious group. Even though your “higher power” can technically be a pet rock. I think an AA sentence violates separation of church and state. I’m not against AA, but I am against the government SENTENCING anyone to AA. They should sentence 52 drug screenings instead.
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 4:13 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I’m uncomfortable with the whole religious aspect to AA but those meetings have really saved my bff’s life. When she starts missing meetings she usually relapses. But she’s determined to living a clean & sober life. Kim isn’t. So drug screenings would probably help Kim more. >
Though AA kept my dad sober for over 30 years, I have to agree Tamara. It’s track record isn’t great and the whole higher power thing is crossing the line with church and state. Plus, all it does for people like Kim is give her a bunch of slogans she can mouth to make her look like she’s working a program when she’s huffing or whatevre. Given her track record with AA, I don’t think it’s going to help her. I doubt rehab will either. Drug tests and community service. Let her spend 90 days helping in a nursing home or outside cleaning up trash. I think she’s beyond help, sadly. Too many chances already. And we still don’t know where she is.
As she’s done in the past w/her 3 rehab stints – Kim will do what she has to do to “fix” this. I seriously don’t believe she wants to quit. I believe her attitude is “So what I like to party / It’s my life”.
I have a good friend who’s been a severe alcoholic & drug user for nearly 40 years – & don’t you dare tell her to stop. Her children are grown & out of the house (she won’t even discuss with them how bad things were when they were younger & her attitude is accept me or don’t) & she’s also spent a small fortune (she didn’t have) hiring lawyers for DUI’s,. drunken disorderliness, etc. As far as she’s concerned – she doesn’t have a problem, everyone else does by not accepting that she “just likes to have a good time”.
Kim’s clearly not doing this for herself – she’s doing this to appease the masses (which includes the court).
I used to attend AA meetings with a friend of my sister’s, which is weird, because my sister and I are not alcoholics. Anyway, we would go to the meetings, and the friend would put on her recovery face. Then, we would go back to her house and party.
AA does not work unless YOU work it.
I agree with the AA religion objection. Or rather, the notion that AA is the ONLY way to control addiction. It’s not. Personally, I think that the idea of never ever ever ever touching anything again or everything you’ve done is totally wiped out may not be right for everyone. People mature. More mature people can control a mental addiction better. Not always. But it is possible. AA has a very low “success” rate. I’m not really knocking it. It’s GREAT for some. But I don’t think it’s without peer.
Requiring attendance at AA or NA (Narcotics Anonymous) meetings is too often meangingless as part of a plea deal. Members of many NA and AA groups do not want court-ordered people at their meetings. Court-ordered people don’t want to be there, don’t believe they belong there, and don’t think they’re anything like THOSE awful people. Some group members will offer to sign the documentation of meeting attendance the judge
requires and tell the court-ordered offender to go away and not come back unless she comes of her own volition. One of my best friends has two years sober in NA; it has saved her life. She ignores the religious aspect, but embraces the emphasis on personal responsibility. I’m very helpful. I remind her, “STFU, you don’t get to be special because you’re an addict!”
Restitution requests are standard in any criminal case. If witness’ are called to testify and they have to miss work, pay for gas, etc, then she is responsible for reimbursing them Those costs. If the officer was injured (possible, but unlikely it was serious) the BHPD can request she reimburse the insurance company for any costs of his medical treatment, or his pay for any missed work . If his uniform was damaged, she must reimburse that cost as well. All fall under the category for restitution. Although considering the mounting lawsuit regarding her damn dog, I doubt there will be 3 nickels left for restitution.
Yes in the cop. But I don’t think so on trial related stuff. I think they bucket that as “court costs”, don’t they? Maybe you know this to be a fact though.
The district attorney is legally prohibited for compensating witness’ for their testimony. So the defendant is obligated to compensate any lost wages or cost incurred by the witness k order to testify. If the bartender must take a day off (and if you’ve ever gone to court, witness get multiple subpoenas over a Few months time as things progress) then she would have to pay for all lost wages. Also, property damage to the hotel in included in restitution. Court costs are more the filing feels for the attorneys, recording paperwork, cost of trial, jury compensation, cost of is during and serving subpoenas. Things related to the actual court and trial. Restitution covers money that a victim or witness is out based on neon a victim or witness to a crime
This is a plea deal. There would be no trial, nor testimony. I don’t know why this is even being argued here.
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 1:46 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Interesting that she is in a rehab facility where she should be and NOT sober living where she thinks she should be. I hope there is a mandatory stay (6 months minimum) issued by the courts and this time she begins to take it serious. I mean this in a supportive way, not the harsh way my comment is sounding.
Kim thinks she’s special. I’m sure the Hilton’s will find her a way to wiggle out of this.
Robert Shapiro? I guess selecting his office for representation shouldn’t be a surprise. I bet Kathy had to plunk down a huge retainer, though.
Funny that you mention the 1-2-maybe 3-year rehab. I spent most of the day on the sofa watching TV in a fit of self-pity. WHY do I not have any ice cream today of all days?? I watched Dr. Phil (which I never do minus Kim Richards), and he had on a family with three daughters, all of whom are hooked on heroin. They all agreed to attend three separate rehab facilities and not leave against medical advice. Dr Phil told them it could take up to two or three years before they would be ready for full release. I had never heard of that length of duration before, and now twice in one day! Is this something new?
I belueve he said it would be years before they could (should) see each other again, after rehab, sober living, starting a clean life. I know this is more for the daily chat, but God was that a horrible episode.
It was wasn’t it? Hard to watch certain parts.
Year long or more rehabs are generally for heroin because of the methadone treatments. Three months is standard for alcohol if you can afford it. Six months would be a very long rehab for alcohol. The site that is talking about years for Kim is talking out of their ass.
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I mentioned the huffing thing to a nurse friend of mine with a smattering of experience in the field. She said huffing is an extremely difficult habit to break and some rehabs won’t even take huffing addicts. Maybe thats the reason for the long estimate? Or because she is in such a massive case of denial. Or they’re just making up stuff again 🙂
The stuff they make up one week, completely contradicts what they make up the next week. I would not acknowledge it but I keep getting emails where y’all shamlessly reveal you read there. Up until a week are so ago there “sources” claimed Kim had a contract for next season. SMH.
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:38 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Detox , followed by rehab for heroin, does not take a year (or longer) Nor is heroin withdrawal as dangerous as alcohol (or benzo) WD.
Many addicts are now choosing complete sobriety– bypassing the addictive narcotics Suboxone, Subutex or Methadone.
Addicts today often go the route of Topomax and then Vivitrol injections.
And that combo WORKS.
Kim listed Topomax as 1 of the 4 RXs she was prescribed when Dr N asked her. That was season 2 when Kim had her nose done. (if interested, research “off label” uses for Topomax)
It occurred to me then that Kim was actively trying to combat that demon (CNS depressant)
According to her toxicology she is using more than alcohol. 🙂
I knew someone who went to a full year-extended stay rehab. She had been several times before and her family was tired of it, plus they had a lot of money and were able to pay out of pocket which is rare. Frankly, it’s much more common to do a few months in treatment (usually because insurance companies will not pay for that much time in a rehab, you have to fight tooth and nail and be damn near dead to even get in let alone get more than a month) and then extended time in a sober living facility. It’s smart to have that extended stop-gap between actual treatment and transitioning back into everyday life, you really aren’t ready/prepared otherwise IMO. It’s just a shame, though, that most people don’t have access to these benefits or aren’t able to dedicate that much time to it.
Robert Shapiro! Someone paid a pretty penny to hire his law firm. Highly doubtful it was Kim.
My spidey sense says Kim’s attorney has no idea where she really is. I doubt she’s actually in residential detox / rehab. She will get her deal and continue to do exactly what she’s always done…drink, drug, lie, deflect, deny, whitewash, rinse, repeat.
I thought of that too. She may be on the run again. Usually we would have heard where she is by now. I don’t usually publish that info but I usually know. I have no idea where Kim is.
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 9:56 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Robert Shapiro has a good heart. He has a foundation that started because one of his sons overdosed. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is doing pro bono, to try to get Kim healthy and on the right track somehow.
You know, I had to stop for a reality check right here. There are plenty, and then plenty more, thousands and thousands and thousands, of people in this world who truly can’t pay and really need and deserve to get pro bono legal services and professional advice. But Kim Richards ISN’T one of them !!!!!! Not now…not ever. And you know what, for any person like some Hollywood deva who lives in or around 90210, I draw the line. THEY NEED TO PAY FOR IT THEMSELVES. IF THEY CAN’T, THEY NEED GO OUT AND FIND A WAY TO BORROW THE MONEY…just like everybody else. And just because some person, like Kim Richards, who may have gone out and squandered all her dollars on some over-the-top fancy deva need, so now she’s flat broke, that still doesn’t put her on a level playing field with regular folks who’ve worked hard all their lives and still struggle to come up with enough dollars just to meet their needs. No “corporate-type welfare” and no “pro bono” for Hollywood folks who can’t even be bothered with taking responsibility for their own lives !!!
Exactly. Plus, the way she squanders free treatment and help is nauseating, there are others literally dying to get into basic state-run programs while this one turns up her nose at a malibu day spa. But that’s the nature of the illness, selfishness.
It’s like Gloria Allred rushing to the scene of the abuse victim du jour. Sickening and self serving, with no thought to anyone but fame.
Robert Shapiro has the impenitrable heart of a lawyer. He does what he gets paid to do. Do you remember anything about the OJ trial?
Do you actually KNOW any attorneys, or do you just like brushing all attorneys with one brush stroke? I’ve been married to one for 30 years, and if he actually enforced payments from his clients like he probably should, I would be sitting in a much nicer, larger house right now. Frankly, I would rather be married to a man with a kind heart. I know quite a few attorneys, and none of them match your description. They all do a lot of pro bono work.
Shapiro does, in fact, have a non-profit foundation he founded in honor of his son who died of an overdose. Shapiro may have his faults, but he has been active in trying to raise awareness of addiction issues and has a great outreach problem for at-risk children in east Los Angeles.
Cawoman23, agree 100%. My attorney went to battle for my son and me. He saved us from ruin.
Cawoman, calm the hell down. I’m glad that your husband is a great guy. Doesn’t change the fact that Robert Shapiro led a team that let a man who slaughtered his ex-wife and an innocent bystander go free. And bravo to Robert Shapiro to doing charity work. Doesn’t change the fact that he helped get a murderer set free.
Amen.
So you think telling someone to “calm the hell down” will actually calm someone the hell down?? Yea, I didn’t think so.
Perhaps you aren’t familiar with how the justice system works in the U.S. It’s innocent until proven guilty, and everyone is entitled to a fair trial. Sometimes the defendant has more money to spend on a case than the DA can match. 99.9% of the time it works the other way, though.
And in case you aren’t familiar with the OJ Simpson trial, Robert Shapiro was quickly pushed to the sidelines. OJ’s team did what they are supposed to do, whether or not we like the outcome. (No, I did not.) However, the real blame lies with the deputy D.A.s who handled the case, and a jury that included some who couldn’t or wouldn’t properly evaluate the evidence.
Seems like some people hate attorneys – until they actually need one.
Zoe, you have some REALLY odd views on recovery. And your absolutes abouy AA are absolutely wrong.
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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AA has 12 steps. One doesn’t take and leave from the program- except from the collection plate as someone pointed out. If one “takes and leaves” from the simple plan laid out in the Big Book, one is practicing half measures.
And many many many have recovered using half measures (taking what they perceive they need) from the AA program. But, many have not recovered either.
My personal opinion for best recovery long term NO drugs (not methadone. Not Xanax. Nothing) CBT (with Topomax and Vivitrol short term) and/or total immersion in AA
I only know 1 recovered person. She did all of the above. Interesting discussion. Thx.
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Hmmm. Don’t want to debate you here as I repect you and Frnally have enough on my plate as some of you knows I have 5 sibling attorneys and a father lawyer. The original lawyer offered the case first turned it down. Which he never ever does. Is still kinda shocking to me. I do belive outcome would have been the same regardless of legal team. You are correct, DA’s made some
Mistakes and it’s still sad to me today.
Cawomen, you don’t know jack about me, my personal knowledge of attorneys, who I hate, what I know about the justice system, the OJ trial or anything else. What I know, is that you are *way* too upset about a comment on blog. Seriously, calm down and go spend time with your lovely husband. Have a great weekend!
I’m merely suggesting that you not label people or professions.
And you, too. How did it get to be Friday so quickly?? I think I’m still on Wed.
Didn’t she wreck the bathroom and tear up some other stuff whilst resisting arrest? Might that be what she is … Restituting?
Oh yeah! She might have damages to the bathroom door. Good point.
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Maybe she shredded the toilet paper roll like a pissed-off cat while she was in there. Sounds like it was the mother of all hissies.
No jokes about “restituting” in the bathroom? Come on..easy easy cheap laugh here….
That would be included for sure!
Oh my fucking god! She’s what, 5 feet tall, and she can’t weigh very much. I can totally see her being violent with the cop, but how much damage could she do in the crapper? Was she on angel dust too? Sheesh!
I think the cops had to break the door down to get to her to arrest her.
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Height is somehow equated to ability to damage property? Huh. That’s a new one to me. I’ve seen some small women tear shit up. And yeah. The broken down door would count too.
I’m not ragging on short people. But seriously, who would you expect to be able to do more damage in the powder room, Kim R or a big, tall lady like Luanne or Nene?
Wouldn’t it depend on what they ate? I’ve seen some pretty small people after eating a full Mexican meal really tear up the bathroom. 😉
Minky I always adore your comments. In my 39’s before ever hearing of meth my GF at 5’1 and 95 pounds took a metal door off the bf apt. Did some
Well deserved time
Over that cray cray. Although working a program now.
If Kim was out of her mind sufficiently to kick a cop, there is no telling what damage she might have inflicted on the bathroom. Or, maybe while she was in the Polo Lounge she tossed Vodka on someone’s hand-graffitied Hermes bag 🙂
According to BHPD, the initial call said there was a fight at the lounge. I’ve always wondered if there was some sort of altercation between Kim and another patron. TMZ must be losing their touch if they don’t have that tape yet!
Cat woman, adore your comment. Something for sure went down pretty major.
@[email protected] Hahahahahahahahahahah! Girl, you so crazy. Seriously, I would make her pay for that too. Who’s gonna clean it up?! Ohhhhh, mercy. Thank you for that laugh.
Just my lame attempt at adding some levity to the heated attorney & AA debates.
Speaking of “Who’s gonna clean it up?” – In all seriousness when I was a kid, like most we had 1 bathroom. A friend of my brother’s had spent the night & was in the bathroom for quite a long time while my Mom was trying to get ready for work. After about 15-20 minutes she knocked & asked “are you alright?” “Yup.” About 10 minutes later she knocked again – this time with no response. Worried she took the key & opened the door – finding the window wide open, the friend gone & the most severe “accident” you EVER saw! Up the walls, the floor, the tub – EVERYWHERE.
She called work telling them she’d be late, cleaned up the entire mess, & then opened the cabinet to get a clean towel for her shower – but to her surprise there were none! Before climbing out the window, in his panic the “genius” tried to clean the shit up himself, then rolled up the towels & hid them way in back of the cabinet! (In the lower half of the cabinet we had a drop down laundry chute that went directly into the basement – also full of shit)!
Fortunately the friend never showed his face again – if he had, I would’ve had a much different life – spending much of it in a prison visitation room. I’d also be able to contribute to the attorney conversation as we would’ve needed one to get her off a murder charge. 😉
ETA: My dear Mother is still with us & though she’s never watched a Housewife show in her life & has no clue who the ladies are – I’m sure she’d much prefer having tiny or “big tall ladies” damage her bathroom any day! :)
Jesus Tap Dancing Christ! If I’d have been your mother I would’ve called that boys parents and demanded justice and restitution! Oh, I would’ve gone mother fucking Medea on that boy’s ass! To the parents I would’ve gone, in person, and said “Your child shit all over my house!” LOLOLOLOLOLOL!
Believe it or not my mother actually felt bad for the kid – that is before she found out it was much worse than ever imagined! But then a few days afterwards (& since) she was back to feeling bad for him. That day we learned the true meaning of “shit happens”. ☺
I would like 3 years probation to include drug testing at irregular intervals. I think Kim just cannot be trusted with any access to drugs forever.
Possibly the bartender or the couple in the bar that she interacted with were called as witnesses and had wages to be compensated.
There hasn’t been a trial for anyone to testify at. And won’t be if she takes the plea.
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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You tired of saying that yet?
Well, I hope they keep her in rehab for a while. She is totally at risk to harm herself or others.
Money can’t buy you class but it can buy you a great defense attorney.
I can’t imagine where Kim could be hiding now if she’s not in some rehab — maybe some safe place that Monty has provided for her? He seems to be such an enabler. If she’s not in rehab, I fear she’s using any and every thing she can get into her nose or mouth, knowing what’s coming ahead.
My wager is somewhere in mexico that is not 5-star, staff would have spilled it by now. Lots of cheap places and drugs galore in Mexico. Scary. Anxious to hear. (Absurd as clearly I have not life!!!) hope y’all have a great weekend
I think an active addict’s biggest nightmare is complete sobriety, especially if dictated by someone else.
Just a word of advice from an old pro at taking addicts to treatment, always take them loaded. My usual passenger liked vodka and I made sure he had plenty. The staff knows how to sober them up and it kept me from suffering verbal abuse. Also, as the addict ages, there are some real health issues that go along with withdrawal.
So very true preach. I’ve done 3 inventions, 4th tomorrow with professionals and apparently most insurance co. Require patient to be loaded. Maybe it’s changed now re insurance but it was like that in my 20’s. Ans it certainly
Makes transport much easier!!!!! And I sure as hell am Getting old ladies. Let’s hope tmw goes well. Xo
Oh wow Katherine, good luck! I had no idea insurance companies might actually require them to have a load on! Sure sounds easier on the driver, though!
Robert Shapiro is always the lawyer when hollywood stars get DUIs and have drug troubles. Isnt Kyle close with Kris Jenner? I believe he is still a family friend of theirs.
I wonder if Kim will move in with Kyle or Kathy or get her own place again. A “babysitter” would be good. She needs to be around people. I think she uses when lonely and she starts thinking of the past.
She had a baby sitter at the wedding and look what happened! If she is in such a state that she needs “a sitter”, then weekly drug test would be good. She definitely would violate and a couple of days in LA county lock up might open her eyes.
You’re so right, Angel. Until Kim is ready for recovery & not the bullshit kind she spewed on the show, no one can help her…not a sitter, not high powered attorneys, not her family. Sadly, I don’t see this ending well, but I hope I’m wrong.
You’re right Angel. I’d forgotten about the sober companion….
Good questions. Personally from expel riche with close guy and girl friends she needs to be in a halfway house with rules and drug testing. Just my two cents. It would Prob help being around other women getting sober.
I have question that may be a little off topic, but here it goes. Kim will not be back on RHOBH. I don’t think she could film. But do you think Brandi could survive that venom of the viewers? She was viewed as a enabler last season and with Kim’s troubles since the season’s end, I would think that would create even more Brandi haters.
Sorry, phone mess up. Even though I am still making my way through all comments so my apologies if this has been addressed already. I wondered this too re Brandi.
AA is only religious if you make it so, it is spiritual, which to someone like me, who is a former atheist and still has her doubts, is entirely different. Yes there are many religious folks in the program, but you don’t need to be. You just need to believe in something greater than yourself and turn your will over to someone or something other than yourself. For me, I put my faith in karma, in the universe, and in nature. I don’t understand how it all works, but it does- it’s bigger than me, awe inspiring, and it does the trick. So, I’m fine with courts sentencing people to AA, because by and large there is no other method of treatment with a better track record for us addicts/alcoholics. You don’t have to have a “god”, but you do have to stop thinking you are one and get humble lol
I would not fit in in the program if religion was a mandatory part of it, but I respect that for many in it, their “higher power” is god or some variation of it. Live and let live, you need to identify with what works for you. From what I’ve seen in my recovery, people don’t make it on their own without a support system and I see the courts directing people to meetings as them directing to the system that works most often for the most people. Take what you need and leave the rest, hopefully it works for Kim this time around.
So glad it worked for you, Shae & you have been able to find peace & the support you needed.
So very proud of you shae!! Rock on sista!
thanks guys, appreciate it 🙂
Acually, it’s not the system that works most often for the most people. It just a monopoly that people have been programmed to believe is the be all, end all. No offense. Glad it works for you.
No offense taken. But what other method has been proven over time to help more people overcome their addiction? I haven’t seen anything, maybe I’m ignorant, but if there’s something else out there that’s been proven to be widely effective, do tell.
Also, nobody “programs” you, you choose to be there and to participate ultimately. Everyone has a mind of his/her own and is free to do as they choose.
Self control.
I didn’t mean that an individual in the program gets “programmed”. I meant the general public in this country, including the justice system, unquestioningly believe that AA is THE way to “recover”.
Shae, I appreciate your post.
I would like to add that I think courts use the AA/NA programs because it is one place that is free. Additionally, I feel certain that those judges have the hope that, even though they’re there “under protest”, something may stick with them.
A life of personal responsibility and rigorous honesty on an ongoing basis can’t be a negative thing for any of us, IMO.
So true! I often think the principles of the program would be good rules of thumb for anyone for life in general. 🙂
A big part of the program is taking only what you need and leaving the rest. I am not a big book thumper myself but the basic principles of the program and the spirituality it requires resonated with me, as did having a large group of people who understood my illness intimately and I didn’t have to explain myself to. I never felt brainwashed or “programmed”, I do it my way keeping what i learned in mind. It’s almost impossible to get somebody sober and living healthfully anyway, I haven’t met hardly anybody who has done it for the long term who doesn’t have the program in their lives in some manner or fashion. I’m genuinely curious to know of what alternative there is that you’re saying works more effectively for more people…because I sure didn’t find it, see it, or hear of it while living in south florida (recovery capital of the world lol).
Again, not being contentious, genuinely curious. I’m a live and let live type person and don’t offend easily 🙂
@shae a very effective program- tho too new to compare to AA is CBT coupled with Topomax for an abrupt halt to Long term benzo/alcohol abuse. Suffer a 10 day flu like illness before starting monthly Vivitrol injections. (The fentanyl , pain pills etc has to be voided) 12 months of Vivitrol or work the AA program following those simple instructions. AA has never advised one to take what he needs and leave the rest.–cuz that’s what addicts do;)
Yes they definitely have, I beg to differ. It was said to me many times in aa meetings by many old timers lol 🙂 .
I don’t believe in taking more medications to get off drugs, but detox is dangerous for some and you can’t risk seizures to avoid taking drugs. of course you have an imbalance or condition that absolutely requires treatment, you have to. I feel bad for people that do, it would be very hard for me to take psych meds rather than eliminating meds entirely.
Zoe,it is said at every meeting. I’ve been going to open meetings since I was 14 and I’m 66 now. They pass a basket to cover costs for coffee and cups. They always offer for the members to take if they need it but take only what you need.
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@shay Sorry. Yes yes– I’ve heard many old timers say that too. You are right. And while old timers might say it, that’s not part of the program.
As for the meds I listed– they’re short term– a few weeks on Topomax. 12 Vivitrol shots. Boom. Med and alcohol free for life.
Any news on what happened with Kingsley? They just took him away and that’s that?
I mean, I assume he’s dead. It’s just no one wants to come out and say it.
I, too, think that Kingsley was put down. The excellent vets whom I worked for said, “An aggressive, biting dog is rarely a happy dog”.
Banjo is an aggressive biting dog at the vet. He’s a happy go lucky goofball other wise. Unless you are on a bike, skateboard or driving large garbage or UPS truck. Or a tasty young Mexican child. But um, mostly happy go lucky.
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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maybe someone will ask Monty point blank on IG – Is Kingsley alive?
Monty is not the poster boy of truth on Instagram. He still claims Kim has a job.
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Monty’s wording is ambiguous. He’s not bright enuf to be that consistent. If he was asked a literal question- he might give a one word yes. Or no.
Prob shld ask Him If Kingsley is on earth alive instead of in fentanyl dream alive in heaven
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Sorry you phone went rogue! I’m sure Banjo is a very happy boy when he’s with you.
I got super lucky with Banjo. He is the easiest dog in the world. He adapts to whatever schedule I am on and no matter when I am sleeping he doesn’t wake me up to go out or feed him or anything unless it’s a critical situation.
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:23 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Dead?! You mean he’s not going to be appearing on one (or both) of Kim’s upcoming NBC shows?! I’m surprised Monty doesn’t have him appearing on his own show (ala Lassie).
Speaking of Monty, he is apparently in a bad way right now. I wonder if they will tell Kim in rehab if he passes while she is in there?
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:06 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Kim’s proven time & time again she can’t handle the highs & lows of life without using. The highs are a time to “celebrate” & the lows – well, who wouldn’t need a drink? If watching the show / reading the blogs caused her current predicament, I’d imagine her “bestest friend in the whole world” being near the end would really cause her to go off the rails. If the family lies / keeps her from him before he passes – she’ll truly never forgive them. If we thought the “you stole my damn house” was bad, this will be 100x worse. If he is near the end, I firmly believe they should allow her to see him before he passes – if not, she’ll only add it to her arsenal of reasons why she uses in the 1st place.
Spot on. If she is really in treatment I assume they will take a counselor with her to see him. Although I have doubts about where she is. A tearment facility would have leaked I think-even a cleaning crew member for cash. I know I sound jaded.
I was hoping cesar millan or someone would intervene:(
I am sorry to hear Monty is on a downward trend. I’ve wondered the same thing. Maybe it’s better to tell her and let them handle her grief along with her other issues?
I feel the same way – if Monty’s at the end, they need to brace themselves & tell her, allow her to come home to say her final words (before he passes) but with a strict ultimatum – she must return to treatment immediately after. As I wrote above to TT, if they don’t she’ll only add this to her arsenal of reasons why she’s abusing alcohol & drugs in the 1st place. I have no doubt she’d view this as the ultimate betrayal. (Unless of course she’s been lying all along & he’s really not her “bestest friend in the whole world” & hate to say – but she was only using him for a storyline).
I still don’t think Kim is in rehab. I think that’s the PR spin hoping for leniency from the courts. She’s probably hanging out with Monty.
Me too, Tootsie. I think that that was standard defense attorney-speak for “Let’s Make A Deal,” with no basis in truth or the reality of her physical location or best intentions.
I hope that if her being locked up in rehab is part of a leniency deal, the court will demand proof!
Nah, it didn’t work. I think she was hoping for dropped charges. Once the court stuff is over, she’ll probably resurface. The stories out there post Cabo bender just don’t make any sense. She’s in hiding.
I think she has to appear in person for the next court date. Ought to be interesting, and her options may be narrowed by then. Let’s hope for her sake.
They are all misdemeanors. Kim will take the plea if her lawyer knows where she is. If for some reason she doesn’t take the plea (which would be stupid, but um, Kim) the lawyer can still handle everything without her. She has the right to be present but is not required to be unless the judge decides to require it for some reason, like to find out if she is in a program.
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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