I’m sort of half sick with some chills and fever nonsense and my Internet access is sort of half functional AGAIN. So I am starting this about 40 minutes late. I will probably just check out Secrets and Wives or whatever Bravo is calling the Real Housewives of Long Island tomorrow. Anyway, let’s see if this works. It takes like 45 minutes for the introduction of all 247 housewives on this show.
Dorinda
Dorinda has invited everyone to her house in the Berkshires for her birthday. Luanna and Ramona arrive in the same car (dear God how long is that trip?) Ramona brings flowers and a case of nice red wine. Oh wait, it’s her Pinot Grigio. I am at a loss for words over the purple velvet sofas. I am sure they are expensive and lovely and look very comfortable, but they just seem to say “In the late 1070s several pornos were filmed on these sofas” to me. Just me?
Carole, Heather and Kristen arrive together sans promotional products. The house is HUGE. Everyone hass their own room Dorinda’s master has a fireplace. The house is really beautiful. Ramona has invited her “business partner” in “her sports bar” to the Berkshires? Or just the dinner?
Carole decides to name the house Blue Stone Manor. Which of course immediately makes me think of the poor, belittled dry cleaner. Just me?
Ramona talks to Kristen about the fight between Luanna and Ramona at the caviar dinner. Kristen agrees that John is “a little flirty.” Ramona walks in on them talking about it. Because they are bad mouthing her man while invited guest to her home! Kristen admits that she thinks John is too touchy feely. Dorinda says that she was embarrassed that Kristen would grind on John in front of everyone including her husband. Dorinda and Kristen argue about whose fault it is. Kristen says this is something she should be discussing with John. Then Heather walks in and Dorinda rehashes it all over again. Dorinda cries because she is a widow at 50. Kristen cries and now everyone feels bad.
Dinner at the Red Lion Inn
The ladies talk about Bethenny leaving Carole’s campaign party early. Bethenny said in her blog she stayed for an hour which was more than enough and then had to go pick up Brynn from school. This whole dinner is about Bethenny and her standoffishness with some of the women. Luann talks about Bethenny’s childhood. Heather says a lot of people have rough childhoods and are successful in relationships. Carole mentions her breakdown in the furniture store. Kristen asks if she was crying real tears or crocodile ones like Ramona’s. Ramona is offended.
Sonja’s Arrival
It looks like it is the next day and Sonja arrives in a fanciful outfit. Carole comes down in a sweatshirt that reads, “STOP TALKING.” It’s all a very eclectic fashion mess. Everyone goes shopping. Ramona confronts Luann about the conflict at the dinner party. Because the long ride in the car was not being filmed, so clearly they could not talk there. Luann sort of accepts responsibility and they agree to “move forward.”
John arrives and everyone gets read for dinner. Kristen’s husband, Josh arrives. Sonja greets John is a silk robe that is barely closed. Sonja doesn’t have a dress to wear. This is like a cobbler with no shoes. Why doesn’t Sonja have a dress she has an entire evening gown line to hear her tell it!
Bethenny’s Surprise Arrival
Really? Dorinda is having a sit down dinner. You have replied that you will NOT be attending. The guests are there and the table is set. And you arrive now unexpectedly? Bad form. Bethenny brought her daughter and checked into a hotel. Dorinda is not upset by the “surprise” at all.
Carole has been busy Googling Ramona’s business partner/date for the evening, Peter. She pulls Luann aside to let him know that according to a website that is Really Only Lies, Peter has made out with the same chick that Mario cheated on her with. Is NYC like a small hick town? What is with all this intermingling? There is the guy most of them have screwed, Harry was it? Carole is doing it with Luann’s nieces ex and now Ramona’s pretend boyfriend of the week has been with Mario’s side piece? What’s wrong with these people and why is Carole Googling Peter in the first place?
Everyone tells everyone except Ramona about Peter just before he walks in. All the ladies start whispering about Peter. At dinner, everyone is enjoying sake. Dorinda announces they have a private sushi chef. Bethenny begins with her dietary restrictions which includes all fish except shellfish. So you show up unannounced and then need a special meal. Lovely. Heather on the other has to butt in to explain to her that there are several other options which pisses Bethenny off. How many birthday dinners is Dorinda going to have? Because it looks like bitching is going to disrupt this one ass well. Heather is trying too hard to be in Bethenny’s business.
Heather announces to Peter AT A FORMAL SIT DOWN DINNER that they have Googled him. What is wrong with her? Speaking of WTF???? I don’t know how to explain what Bethenny is doing. Is she drunk off the sake? She starts pointing to all of her glasses, champagne, wind, sake, water professing her love for the all. Then she starts talking about butter knives and arteries. Then she spews a drink and falls over laughing. All of this while Peter is talking to Heather about his restaurant endeavors. Heather goes in on Bethenny for acting like an ass and then tries to say she was joking and Heather needs to lighten up. Bethenny starts crying. Then Heather starts crying. Happy Birthday, Dorinda!
Next week: More Bitching. And Bethenny is involved with every bitchy scene.
bethenny is one seriously fucked up chick. she is either a raging cunt or a crying mess 95% of the time and a decent human the other 5%. she is always so rude and abrasive. and sonja, wow, does she want to screw john? i swear she screwed mario, if she didn’t i would be shocked. and ramona, is slipping back to her old ways and it is sad, i kind of liked the newer softer ramona. dorinda’s house is amazing, the vibrant blue color i love and i love how it works and the sofa matched. that is a great house and i think it is one of the better ones of all these ladies. i do love heather’s house in the country as well, totally different style but lovely just the same. and heather being all over bethenny, not sure about that, i really enjoy heather but this was a little nuts.
I agree with you about Bethenny. When she was on years ago I liked her and the way she handled Kelly Bensimmon (can’t stand her) before Bethenny had $ she was so laid back.If it’s the divorce upsetting her I say give her ex an amount he will accept ( I think Bethenny likes to fight) settle the divorce you can’t put a price on having peace in your life I’ve been there! I have a grown daughter and one that’s close we share custody and the divorce was 13 yrs ago (he’s still hateful and bitter) I won’t tolerate it so we have spoken in 2 yrs I refuse to let him continue to bring me down Bethenny needs to get it over with already! Heather can be annoying but means well Bethenny has been mean to her from the start yet Heather goes back for more! Carole talking about sloppy 2nds which is funny! I like Dorinda so far..Kristen doesn’t add much! Sonja is either just plain HORNY all the time or wants attention maybe both LOL!!! I like Luann better this season! Ramona says Mario wants her back I don’t believe that at all just my opinion on these crazy ladies
You should invest in a shift key… and a space keys so you don’t seem like your droning on unintelligibly..
I was trying to be nice. But people really need to read the commenting rules. There is an influx of new people this week and it’s….trying.
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 1:06 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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WOAH!! Please read the commenting rules
My favorite part was the flashback scene with Ramona and Bethenny, when they were slamming each other on being harsh and Ramona said… ‘at least I have friends, you have no friends except Jason and you will probably mess that up too.’ hahahaha LOVE RAMONA!
I also loved “Dorina and Heather both have houses on hills and that’s where the comparison ends”
pdt090 – No one was making a comparison, except Ramona. She’s such a bitch.
Compared to all the bitches at her table Dorinda is becoming more and more likeable. Witness the scene with Sonja rubbing her half naked body all over John. If she did that to my man, she would be out on her naked bottom in the snow with her luggage or kmart bags tossed out behind her.
What was with LuAnn’s outfit? Eating with gloves on? More like RHoNJ than class with the countess. I did like the femme fatale hair and chandelier earrings, but the net gloves and the rest of her outfit were bad.
Kristens outfit was even worse. Too short too tight beige sweater with the red skirt and no bra. Definitely not the Grace Kelly look she was hoping for.
What is it with the whole housewives franchise and dinner parties?
Chills and fever are not good. Make sure you don’t have a kidney infection.
Feel better.
Yeah, I really like Dorinda too. If she has a problem with someone she confronts them, and does this while somehow managing not to be vile.
Just thought of something. Sonja’s the Blanche Deveraux of this bunch. Seriously if anybody did that to a boyfriend of mine, in front of me, I would flip.
Luanne I just don’t like. Period. She reminds me of one of my professors that I couldn’t stand. Same dorky facial expressions and superior attitude. Grrrr.
I like how Dorinda just sits there and takes it all in when they’re all together and then in the talking head cuts through all of their bullshit with the precision of a surgeon’s scalpel wielded by a master. Her analysis of Ramona’s attempted deflection on the countess, and Heather constantly taking Betheney’s temperature were really just spot on I think. I like the way Betheney put it. I’ve never heard it put that way before.
What the eff is wrong with Heather. Has she all of a sudden become a lesbian developed some psychotic SWG crush on Bethenny?? I really like Heather but I do not understand her obsession with the wicked witch of the east.
I agree Heather’s coming on too strong. I like her and feel the producers have chosen the worthiest opponent for B in Heather. Bethany’s prime defense is to be dismissive. It’s her only talent. She will listen to someone she has decided to undermine and then proceed to negate said target’s point all while never acknowledging or looking at said target. Should target be strong willed (like Heather), and refuse to be dismissed, b will they to further demean them by expressing how bored or disinterested she is in whatever they are saying. Immediately after pulling these tactics, she’ll then turn to someone she knows will listen to her and begin a conversation to further dismiss said target.
Who comes to a seated dinner party all, “surprise! I’m so special I neednt rsvp?”? A producer pushed Bethany who is the golden child. One who proceeds to tell the birthday honoree that the food will be problematic for her. Then quickly says no worries, she’ll know and it won’t be an issue. Well, if it’s not an issue and you “don’t want attention”, why bring it to attention? Barfstick!
Then she acts as though her, audible to all around her, pointless, attention seeking issue, was meant to be a private convo between her and the birthday girl(seriously?). Truly, if I were Heather and some attention seeking ahole was complaining about the food to the guest of honor, I would try to fix it as well. Maybe Heather, although being edited to be butting in, was merely trying to relieve the guest of honor from the petty complaints of a guest. Maybe she was helping out as to let Dorinda enjoy her dinner.
Ya it’s kinda psycho.
They play into it though. Why do they indulge her passive aggressive, attention seeking behavior? They could ignore her. I suppose if they did, then we wouldn’t have a show to watch.
Heather is absolutely insufferable. Where does she get off micromanaging what people eat and who they interact with at a dinner she isn’t even hosting? If she naturally this much of a controlling bitch or is she just inserting herself in every possible situation in a desperate attempt to keep her spot on the show?
I think Heather is threatened by Bethenny.
Totally a possibility. The unpleasant side of Heather’s personality is showing itself in the Bethenny scenes.
I also think that Heather went in thinking her and Bethany would be Besties…LoL! Or, That she could fix Bethany? Maybe Heather thought that they could team up and come out with a “Skinny Girl Yummy Tummy Drinking Tank!” The one’s with the inserts in the chest area for your alcohol?
Something about Bethenny is bringing out the worst in Heather. I used to like Heather, she was pretty level and didn’t seem too threatened by anyone. She seemed confident, now she doesn’t. I think Heather wants to be the real HBIC, and is threatened by Bethenny also, and she’s not handling it very well. She’s looking like a out of control dumbass.
I don’t necessarily approve of Heather’s behavior, but I kind of understand. Bethenny’s behavior seems erratic, but I don’t believe it. I think she plans everything out. Why show up to a dinner without RSVP-ing, take over the conversation, then make demands about the food, and then cause a scene with one your crying fits. No. Just no. That’s not okay.
Could Heather have not reacted so forcefully? Yes. But like I said, I understand.
I agree, Heather is just too bothered about everything Bethenny. I think she is jealous or something. Maybe she wanted to be the only self made woman of the group. She also is showing total insensitivity. Not everyone handles major life issues the same. Heather is not the arbiter of feelings. I think she was trying to belittle Bethenny with trying to take her away from the dinner table to discuss things like she was a child misbehaving.
I loved Dorinda’s house and it’s colorful decor. I thought she was a geat hostess. I love dinner parties Fortunately, I never have had to deal with those kind of guests at mine.
I agree, Gingersnap. I think Heather is sincerely trying to connect with Bethenny, but Bethenny is so abrasive and standoffish. I become exhausted and drained watching Bethenny. I have compassion for her traumatic past, but she leads with it with everyone she meets as well as in her current relationships and it is draining. She’s been in therapy, from what we’ve seen, for a while, yet she’s still unable to navigate through her triggers & not dump her heavy reactions on everyone in every uncomfortable situation. Bethenny could have dealt with Heather’s curiosity from the beginning & said, I appreciate that you want to get to know me, but I’m not comfortable so I need you to back off a bit. Instead, she’s been passive aggressive and rude. Why Heather’s keeps trying, I don’t know…or yes I do, fabricated story line. I’m learning!
When she says to Betheney “I may have to separate you two…” and when Betheney takes issue with that she tells her to relax she was just joking. Like hell she was, she was being passive aggressive because she felt Betheney interrupted her clever repartee with the other dinner guests. I think the most fabulous thing about that exchange is that Heather initiates it by trying to tell Betheney and Sonja to pipe it down, and Betheney to lighten up. So she’s heavy handidly telling these women what to do and how to do it, because she’s annoyed, and has the unmitigated gall to tell Betheny not to tell her what to do. Priceless.
Yes Wonky. You’re right about that. She could be less of a Cathy Killjoy. I’m wondering if she feels threatened by Bethenny or just annoyed. I believe there was a better way to deal with it. Heather shouldn’t talk to grown women like they’re preschoolers.
I will say this. No more crying! Ramona’s going through a divorce too. She and Mario were married for about 20 years, no? That can’t be fun. I just can’t shake the feeling that Bethenny’s an attention hog. She did this on the show before she got married. Always friggin weeping. Stop already.
I think maybe a lot of that with Betheney might be calculated. Just can’t tell if it’s calculated to elicit sympathy from the ladies, or calculated to get her asked back next year. If I had her money there’s no way I would be on that show so I’m not even sure why she wants to be on it, unless maybe she’s expecting that between taxes and the divorce she’s not gonna have anywhere near what she has now, and she’s probably right about that. The other thing is maybe it’s the airtime for skinny girl so she gets her bonus money.
Betheney didn’t make demands about her food. She couldn’t eat shell fish and said it was fine, that she would handle it. It was Heather that made a huge fuss over everything Betheney said. Betheney tried to shut her down and Heather would have nothing to do with it. Like it was said Heather was treating Betheney like she was her child. All Betheney wanted was to continue with what was going on. Get off you high horse Heather, and get out of your mommy mode. That is great at YOUR home not Dorindas
That’s exactly the opposite of what Bethenny said. But, okay.
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Heather has ALWAYS been insufferable. Just seeing all the fur she’s been wearing lately is enough to make me hate her ! She came on the show and totally took control. She’s is so overbearing and bossy ! Everyone is bagging on Bethenney, and she can be brash but she is going through a very real divorce battle and there’s no denying that she did have a very traumatic childhood , unlike heather. Who , by the way, tried to compare losing her nanny to Bethenney’s awful childhood! Wtf? It’s really killing her having Bethenney back on the show and I honestly love seeing her freak out. Heather liked being the overbearing, boss of the group and with B back, she is totally 100% losing her s***! Her face when Bethenney came through the door !
Heather tells everyone what they should say , when they should say if , how they should think , feel , react to every situation and she absolutely lets nothing go ! She is a control manic! And she believes that she knows more about everything than anyone else. I would hate her if I met her in person. I would run the other way. Not everyone deals with a personality like Heather’s the same. I don’t blame Bethenney for wanting to just avoid her altogether . Heather was being rude bringing up the tabloids and grilling Ramona’s date while at the same time , fighting with B and telling her how to behave. She was crazy !
Spot on.
Bethenny has been hell on wheels since joining the show, and I agree with the surprise over her showing up unannounced at a planned dinner party (I hoped it was staged, although perhaps she just didn’t plan to eat…?). I’m also sad for her that the other ladies are not more sympathetic about her custody situation. In all fairness, as far as I know most of those ladies have not divorced early enough to have to share custody of a very young child, but I have, and it is hideously painful to be without your baby/toddler/etc. Your brain is hard-wired to look for them, care for them, entertain them, and keep them from hurting themselves at every moment, and I felt like I was missing both legs every time I was away from my son. I have been through a lot of trauma in my life but nothing compared to the pain of that void. I would never have missed a second with him for anything. I hope the girls will be more compassionate with Bethenny on this front, she’s made it clear it’s a raw nerve.
i believe sonja’s divorce was when her daughter was younger also, i am still married so i have no point of reference as to what it feels like. my mother in law took my kids on a long road trip that ended at her house which we flew to for a week. those were so lonely times but kind of relaxing. my kids were 7 and 3 and i didn’t see them for 2 weeks. it sucked. i think bethenny is an “untouchable” she wants to be needed and wanted and loved yet she pushes everyone who tries away. and i do in a huge way agree with heather, so many have had terrible childhoods and emerged the other side intact. i think bethenny is a control freak as well.
All of the other women at that table, save Kristen, have experienced tragic, unhappy things. Carole and Dorinda’s husbands dies. First Luanne, and now Ramona are divorced. Heather has a seriously ill child. Kristen isn’t divorced or widowed, but her husband seems like kind of an ass and her child had health issues too. None of them create the kind of chaos that Bethenny does wherever she goes. It’s too much.
I agree with that Minky, Bethenny is obviously in a bad place and it is coming across in how she is always on the verge of a breakdown or explosion. Hopefully she can work on that since it’s not a good look. I am not the biggest Bethenny fan, but I do think it’s insensitive for the girls to harass her about not choosing them over time with her daughter. Comparing it to getting a babysitter once in a blue moon is not the same as only getting to spend half of your days with your baby/toddler. I can’t think of many moms who would give up such precious little time with their young child to spend an evening or weekend with girlfriends. I understand the ladies’ expectations with Bethenny toning down the chaos and aggression, but not with prioritizing outings with them over quality time with her baby girl.
I am wondering about why Bethenny’s emotions seem all over the place. Has any one ever had to get tunnel vision and power yourself through a very tough emotional experience, then when you see the light at the end you start to fall apart? I wonder if she’s experiencing something like that.
I think Beth likes the drama and the “oh poor me”. A lot of people have had shitty childhoods and didn’t get the expensive educations and other perks Beth had. Some people have grown up without mothers or through the foster care system and they don’t use that as an excuse to be a raging rude bitch all the time. The thing is that at some point in your life you have to become responsible for your own life and realize that your childhood is in the past and behind you and start to move forward. Her therapist must really suck or she just plain likes living the way she lives. As for her divorce, she, imho, only married him so she could have a child. Well, I think he probably gets that and feels used so now it’s time to pay the piper. As for Heather, Beth has just been plain rude to her from the get go. I don’t think Heather is jealous or threatened of Beth, but rather, Beth is jealous or threatened by Heather. Heather has the successful business that she built by herself without using her father’s contacts in the liquor industry. She also as a successful marriage. Her talking about her nanny leaving was probably very traumatic for her ill son as she’s been with them for his whole life. Beth acts most of the time like she doesn’t want to be with the ladies at all. Is she using her daughter for an excuse? I don’t know. I wish Heather would just plain ignore the rude bitch, she’s got it all over Beth.
I am trying really hard to remember on ANY of these franchise shows if there has ever been a dinner where they just ate and had a good time. It’s kind of like the holidays with my relatives. But that’s family and you expect all kinds of crazy. LOL. IF anyone of these people invited me to dinner I would run for the hills or at the very least eat first because damn they probably never get through a whole meal. That’s probably the only good thing I can think of the Shah’s they love their food and make sure they make it through the meal one way or another. Some of the worst moments with these HW’s have been started sitting around a table.
The Shahs, The Atlantas, and the Jerseys eat like real people. Coincidentally (he said sarcastically), they are the least WASPy casts.
LOL Gee I wonder why.
Yeah Xanadude, I think you’re right. WASP folks seem to be weird about food. They celebrate special events by serving salad. Salad! WTF? I want steak, ribs, potatoes, dessert, and something fried dammit! The Shahs chow down. Even the skinny ones. I love it.
@Minky, sure we serve salad. Three bean salad, potato salad, cole slaw salad.
At least Teresa flips tables after the dessert.
@belladonna No disrespect intended. If only there had been some potato salad and cole slaw at a great number of the gatherings I’ve attended. That would have meant that ribs, bbq or fried chicken were also somewhere in the near vicinity.
I’m talking about bare ass naked lettuce and a piddly little sliver of chicken. That kind of salad. Shoot, Germans make meat salad. MEAT! It’s divine. English cuisine is saturated with internal organs and animal fat and potatoes. And they’re pretty darn white, and Anglo-Saxon, and Protestant.
Maybe my problem is that I live in California. Hmmm? I know they eat better in the South.
Bethenney is a biotch from hell.Many women have been thru a lot more than her and do not have her money but they do not strike out at everyone around them. I am sick of Bethenney and her tale of woes and all of her stupid crying
My takeaways from the evening:
1) Betheny screaming “I dont want attention!” While doing everything in her power to be the center if attention in every situation, regardless of whoever is around is probably the defining Betheny moment.
2) Carole describing The Two Speeds of Betheny is spot on.
3) Dorinda’s John gives me a “reeking of Aramis” vibe
4) I GET Heather. She’s trying, in a reality show kind of way, to make some kind of connection with Bethenny and Bethenny doesn’t want anyone around her unless they are scared or intimidated by her, of which Heather in neither. Carole recognizes the crazy in B and is appropriately keeping her distance, while Heather, who has dealt with high maintenance divas like Sean Combs, isnt.
5) Ramona’s sympathy pass is revoked.
Yes. All of that. Just…Yes.
Yeah that first one is pretty ironic. Heather telling Betheney not to tell her what to do even when she’s the one who initiated the argument by telling Betheney what to do, comes in at a close second for high points for me.
Heather is trying, in a reality show kind of way, to have a story line. That’s all there is to it. She flew into the room when she heard Kristen and Dorinda fighting, she made the conversation about Bethenny all about herself, she went after Ramona’s boyfriend the second she got a whiff of gossip about him, and then went in on Bethenny over freaking meatballs. If that isn’t desperation for a contract I don’t know what is.
You said that so well! Bethany is a very damaged person and seems starved for attention. Whenever she arrives chaos ensues.
I pretty much trashed Heather, but on reading your take on Heather vs. Bethenny, I may have changed my mind. There is a ring of truth to it.
Dorinda’s backstory about the acquisition of the house was great! Love that she always wanted it and was fortunate to have been able to (have a husband who wanted to) buy it. I don’t dislike John as much as many others, it seems. He just seems like a big teddy bear to me and he appears to really care about Dorinda. I wish the women would STFU about him now and just accept him if only because he makes their friend Dorinda happy.
Carole is really bugging the shit out of me this season! I was a huge fan, mostly because I loved her Bravo blogs, and I thought she was more cerebral than the others when she first came on. She was like the Greek chorus of the franchise then. Now I see her as being very juvenile and shallow. There just doesn’t seem to be much real concern for others from her and she seems extremely wrapped up in herself. Hope that’s not true, but she’s changed somehow.
And Heather…I have no idea what her underlying problem is with Bethenny. I don’t think it’s so much jealousy. I think Heather thinks she’s very insightful and compassionate and right all the time and, when Bethenny pushes back, Heather gears up for a fight. I think H is thrown off by B because she doesn’t understand B and that is unacceptable to H. Basically, H can’t figure B out and that irritates H to no end. Heather is a good advice giver but I don’t think Bethenny is a good advice taker.
Kristen is a zero; Sonja is hormonally-challenged and it’s coming out in all sorts of bizarre ways; Ramona is confused about her life; and LuAnn is done taking anyone’s shit.
Well if it’s true that Heather can’t understand what makes Betheney tick that’s her own fault for refusing to accept some things about Betheney that are fundamental to her adult personality. For starters her rough childhood. And as the other ladies point out the fucked up relationship with her mom leading to trust issues with other women. When she tries to compare Betheney’s rough childhood to loosing a nanny I mean come on! That shows a lack of a basic ability to understand the impact of the emotional weight of a fucked up childhood to having to switch employees, even a close one, to say nothing of a lack of empathy.
I agree. Stupid comment by Heather about having to change nannies. She could have thought up some better comparison.
Oh crap! That Nanny comment was beyond insane!! C’mon!
Your Mom killed herself and you found her? Well! My Nanny just quit after 9 year’s!
That was too much. How much did Bethany enjoy seeing that last night?
Throat Punch comment.
Heather’s comment about losing her nanny when comparing everyone’s life horror stories said it all. Losing the nanny??? I thought she was insufferable at the dinner party, and the aggressor in her exchange with Bethenny. Heather kept bringing the focus to Bethenny, who clearly didn’t want it and kept asking her to stop. I don’t get how some posters are saying that Bethenny needed to be center of attention at the dinner — I saw the exact opposite.
@minky, Heather should have kept her mouth shut. She shows an extraordinary lack of compassion with the nanny remark. WTF Heather?
Heather views herself as the mommy of the group. I wonder if she tries to cut up her table partner’s meat?
Not to defend Heather, but she has a child with special needs. The nanny that has worked with him and knows how to handle every situation so that Heather is comfortable leaving the house would be very traumatic. Not in a”well this is inconvenient” sort of way but in a “who else will I ever be able to trust to know what to do” sort of way.
That said, I get that it was a very unfortunate comparison, but I am sure it was a very difficult experience for her child, who was likely devastated, sort of way.
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 8:22 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I know that her little boy has real problems and losing his beloved nanny is horrible, but for once it was not all about Heather.
Okay. I didn’t make that connection right away. When Heather compared losing the nanny as an employee to Bethenny’s problems I did’t remember Heather’s kid’s health issues. I mean, I know that Heather’s kid isn’t well and it’s pretty serious, but I didn’t connect that to the nanny. I’m sorry.
By the way that, now that I think of it, that says a lot about Heather. Her child is very ill. I remember her describing her son’s illness on the reunion and feeling really bad for Heather and her child. The thing is, Heather never talks about that. She doesn’t make her whole existence about her kid’s illness. Or use her child as an excuse for any bad behavior. Not every conversation is about her or her child’s problems. Which is not to say Heather is an uncaring mother. No, quite the opposite. But, well, what I’m trying to say is Heather was/is fighting pretty hard just to keep her kid alive, and somehow manages to not be obnoxious or ruin everybody else’s good time with an out of control crying spell.
Am I being insensitive? Is that comparison warranted? I know it’s not about Heather’s childhood, but IDK what to think about this Bethenny character anymore.
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I didn’t even look or think of it in those terms…heat of the moment!
The nanny comment was weird, but her special needs kid grew up with this person as part of the family. Bad analogy in that situation, but the way the conversation was flowing and presented to us could be different. {I’m flashing on Harriet the Spy’s reaction when Old Golly left. And if you get that reference I immediately love you.)
My students were too young, or too old for Harriet the Spy. But you love me anyway, right?
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:08 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Not to veer into Daily Tea area, but there are certain books that when read at a certain age are just perfect. Harriet the Spy is great for fourth/fifth/sixth graders. Hell, I’m in my forties and still break it out once a year to read it, along with it’s sequels The Long Secret and Sport. Same with Freaky Friday by Mary K. Rodgers.
I taught fourth or fifth once as punishment. It was awful. That was the year I got in trouble for cussing in front of my students. Not only did they put me in a grade I did not want to teach, I got ALL the special ed kids from that grade level. And Special Ed in GA includes the gifted ones. So I had the super special kids on grade one, and the super smart kids on grade eleven and whatever grade 4? 5? I was teaching all at once. It was hard. I chose to do my oral reading to the class on grade level. I was reading The Lion The Witch and The Wardrobe when I got called in for cussing in front of my kids.
The whole reason I cuss so much now is for over a decade of teaching I could never breathe a bad word. I would drop shit on my foot and be shocked I did not cuss because clearly cussing is in my blood.
My SHIT HEAD of a principal said he had been interviewing my kids for SACS accreditation and one said their favorite thing about be is when I cuss. I was going to be written up. I was despondent. I had a parapro and a worthless “special ed” teacher in my room all day. The SPED teacher was NOT a teacher but and old lady who had lost her job in “the corporate world” and was taking advantage of a program where you could “teach” while getting a SPED degree. She spent all her time in the hallway on the phone.
So I am sobbing to the parapro. who took over the class (she was awesome like that) trying to figure out why any kid in my class would lie about me. I went BACK to the asshole principal and asked if he asked what cuss words I said. and he said “damn.”
Damn? really? Maybe I did say it? I really NEVER cussed when I taught but… maybe.. I mean… no one is perfect.
I said who said they like when I cuss? And he told me. It was a SPED kid who loves me and has an IQ of about 60. WTF?
I felt like my job was on the line. I talked to the parapro and told her everything. She was the SPED para. She asked the boy what he said. He said he loved me and especially liked when I cussed. We look at each other…alarmed.
She asked when I cussed and he said, You know, in the book! The beavers were on the dam! She said DAM so many times. It was so funny!
O. M. G.
I explained to the principal who continued to treat me like shit to the point I asked for a transfer.
Anyway, the BEST book for kids that age is The Mixed Up FIles of Mrs Basil E. Frankweiler. It’s about two kids who run away in NYC and live in a museum. It’s sort of the story of my life. Or my childhood fantasy life and the book that had the biggest impact on me.
I’m having a hard time at the moment, because I saw a story on the news I have been TRYING LIKE FUCK to avoid and it just keeps being on the damn TV. UGH.
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 12:26 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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xanadude – holy moly mother of god, I knew we were separated at birth. Tried to change my name to Harriet in the 4th grade, (because you know, if you just put it on the top of your homework, they HAVE to now call you by that new name) and got in trouble with the teacher. I kept a diary of all my shenanigans and classmates got their hands on it and I got called on the carpet for bad mouthing the teacher in my private diary… oh the similarities.
{I’m flashing on Harriet the Spy’s reaction when Old Golly left. And if you get that reference I immediately love you.)
I agree with Bethenny on this one. She said don’t make a big deal about the sushi, she’ll pick around it. Then everyone makes a big deal. Dorinda wants to alert the chef, Heather tells her about the meatballs. It’s like stop. I’ve been in this position so many times where I want people to not make a big deal and they do. She probably said something so people wouldn’t question why she isn’t eating the sushi.
I’ve been at big tables where you can’t hear the 1 conversation at the other end of the table and wanna create your own. Either case Heather is not the Mother of Bethenny. Like trying to grab Bethenny’s hand to go have a talk was crazy.
Heather tried to hard to befriend Bethenny. Ain’t working. I hate the way Bethenny meets people. She is super dismissive. Doesn’t even get the full “nice to meet you out” ie when she said Hello to Dorinda’s brother — cold. She could definately use a lesson from Bill Clinton. He makes you feel like he’s really happy to meet you even if you’re a little nobody. Bethenny makes you feel like “ugh another obligatory hello”.
Bethenney put everyone in a no win situation by loudly announcing she can’t/doesn’t eat what was prepared at a dinner she was not expected at. The good host and trying to be friend, were offering alternatives. Bethenney COULD have simply not made a big deal out of it at the start, but, she, of course, had to make it about herself. She was offered alternatives but instead chose they “NO NO NO I just won’ eat” talk.
As the hostess, Dorinda should have quietly excused herself, quietly informed the chef about the no fish issue Bethenny has (not an allergy, a preference) and returned to the table saying nothing. Heather should not have mentioned it at all at the table. The next day she should have called Carole or Kristen and said, “Who the hell shows up after declining the dinner invite at the last minute and starts rattling off a list of food preferences?” Bethenny should have kept her mouth shut and eaten what was there that was something she could eat. I’m not a sushi fan. It it was individually plated I would have said, “I’ll pass on the sushi, but it looks fabulous” and eaten the other stuff.
Bethenny was wasted.
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:43 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Polite people would indeed have done as you suggested, but this is reality TV, so we can’t have any of this sensible nonsense. I thought the shellfish okay but finned fish “allergy” was questionable. There are people allergic to fish, but shellfish is much more common. If you don’t like fish, just say so but don’t claim allergy.
I thought Bethenny sounded wasted, too. But then, most of them were feeling the booze by the time fishgate happened.
Yeah I thought she might be wasted when she did that thing with the glassware. So was Sonja. Did you see the way she just stood there by the chair looking kind of stupid at the camera. Girl was lit trying her hardest not to seem like it.
I agree, you just eat around the food that you don’t like or don’t want, you don’t make a big deal out of it. Maybe she did it to get more camera time?
I have never had sushi, because worms, yuck
I wish Carole had worn her sweatshirt to the dinner table.
I agree. I wondered if Bethany was worried that John and Dorinda would be offended or something? Based only on her not eating any of the Sushi. Bethany was sitting right next to him when he announced the Gourmet Sushi Chef. However…that entire Dinner party was like a bad acid trip!
Bethenny WAS wasted! But it was the first time she was fun all season. I would have wanted to be sitting on her end of the table. She was pretty funny in a stupid, drunken sort of way.
I thought there was something odd about the introduction to the brother. I was checking out Clark the hot dude as they met and wasn’t looking at Betheney. I thought initially he was the one that was a little awkward there. I just re-watched and you’re completely right. Clark was awkward because she completely dismissed him after the perfunctory obligatory greeting, but it was even worse with the brother, he barely got a hot second.
You saw it too! Go back and look at Sonja’s party. When Sonja introduced her at the door, Bethenny didn’t fully acknowledge anyone’s hand she shook. Just “ugh I’m so important, must I really say hello to you”. I’d hate to meet her in person because I admire her so much.
TT reminded me that they do retakes on these show and I think I spotted a couple. Betheney’s entrance was the product of at least two takes I think so maybe that’s what accounted for the short shrift on the greeting. And as for the other one I noticed Ramona and Kristin sit down for a chat and Ramona asks Kristin if she wanted ice in her wine which she did, and they show her putting the ice in the glass. They go into their conversation apparently at that moment, but when you look at the glass of wine there’s no ice in it, so I wonder how many takes they had to do there.
I noticed that too. She was so rude to Dorinda’s brother. Having had a miserable childhood isn’t an excuse to be unkind or rude. It makes me uncomfortable to watch how she seems to be unraveling. She needs serious help and I hope she gets it, but I don’t need to watch it.
Bethenny is a shithead most of the time, no doubt. But I think she was likely promised things before agreeing to film and she’s just using them. I am sure production agreed to let he skip out on anything she didn’t want to attend just to get her to come back on the show. Plus, she’s def all about the promotion of the SG brand and anything else she’s hawking, like this book that was timed to come out just as this season began airing. I’m sure the other women are pissed at her because of the unfairness of all that.
Used to love Bethenny, then really disliked her. Her talk show sucked, IMO, and I am “meh” about seeing her this season. That said, I think the other women are making more of her presence every time she’s around than she is. That’s how I see it so far. At the dinner tonight, she discreetly told Dorinda she doesn’t eat sushi with fin fish. (Is there an allergy to fin fish out there? Shellfish, yes. But fin fish? I just never heard of that.) And it was appropriate to say since John had just announced there was some renowned sushi chef there. Heather was the one who made a big deal out of it, not Bethenny. Just sayin’.
There were TWO young widows at the table and Heather announced that she knows tragedy because her kid’s nanny left. That pretty much sums up Heather.
I kind of liked Heather before that ridiculous comparison. I saw a lot of her controlling personality this episode, and I think it would get on my last nerve too, if I were around her for anything more than a casual lunch. She does get in people’s faces, and for someone like Bethenny who is going through a lot, it is invasive and too much.
I don’t think Heather is a bad person, nor am I suggesting that was your intent, or outcome, but I find I do agree that she does appear to be a control freak. This is my first season so I don’t know the past with her, but it’s like she’s all up in Betheny’s face constantly trying to control her behavior, and it frustrates the holy piss out of her that Betheney won’t let her to the point Heather gets pissed off at Betheney. Betheney has her issues, but Heather is just being unreasonable.
What is going on with these women?! Heather and Bethenny are too young to be “menopause mamas”, yet they are acting all kinds of irrational, hormonal, and crazy. Heather really needs to chill the f*ck out. Bethenny should do the same. If I were around people who were that high strung, I don’t know what they would drive me to do.
I don’t care for Dorinda’s taste. particularly the dead animals on the walls, but the house is very wonderful as far as the setting and how huge it is, and Dorinda is indeed quiet about all that she has. I like Dorinda more and more as I watch the show. I was glad she confronted Kristen about her part in the dance with John. Heather was indeed obnoxious and controlling. I feel sorry for that little husband of hers. I hope she gets over her jealousy or whatever it is regarding Bethenny. Bethenny’s childhood was pretty horrible as she tells it, and I believe her. (Is her mother still alive?)
The decor in Dorinda’s house is tacky.
When I saw how small Kristen’s bedroom was I thought Dorinda is feeling some kind of way about Kristen. Dorinda is my absolute favorite of the New York Housewives, but this is the one thing I disagree with her about. That sandwich dance issue with her boyfriend was not a Kristen issue that was a handsy boyfriend issue. He put Kristen in an awkward situation, and she got out of it as quickly as she could without making a major issue of it.
Oh, also, I LOVED Luanne’s getup including gloves, etc. She looked absolutely gorgeous. The dress was so beautiful.
Is it just me, or does Carole seem stoned most of the time? I would probably want to be mellowed out to be near the coked up frenzy of the other women.
Yup!
The room with the purple couches, red and gold throw pillows, and teal drapes looked like a brothel in Nevada. WTF?!?! If Dorinda decorated it, she has horrible taste.
My eyes, my eyes! Those purple couches are hard to take. I hated them.
I agree Dorinda’s house is beautiful , but , the purple couches were awful and the animal head’s yuck !! That said it is beautiful house and property and just needs a decorator ! I like Dorinda she seems very nice .
Willy Wonka purple!
I can take or leave all of these women, but my God is Heather annoying.
First of all, Bethenny got drunk really fast. She starves herself and then gets drunk. I think her antics are induced by other substances mixing with booze. Her loving all those bottles were an attempt at product placement. Im thinking they were Skinnygirl stuff. Messy.
Second, Heathers marching orders from production are to engage and battle with Bethenny. Cuz B is responsible for Aviva being brought on the show and Heather was the one who put her in check. So production probably was thinking she could best be in a fight with B. B is not letting thst happen and Heather is getting frustrated. Fake drama. Ugh
Oddly, there were no skinny girl bottles in Dorinda’s home. And she was pointing to her four glasses of beverages.
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I haven’t seen this, yet, nor have I read the whole description, yet. But, you had me at ‘Red Lion Inn’. My mother took my sisters and me (I?) there, for a 2-night stay, in the 80’s. It was wonderful. Very vintage and sooo charming! A cage elevator. There Berkshires is such a lovely area.
I get where Bethenny’s coming from, she is wound tighter than a drum, is defensive, and isn’t extremely open to new people/doesn’t trust her judgment or others. Given her circumstances, I think that’s pretty understandable. Her breaking down over her daughter just shows she’s a basket case over that issue, and I don’t think that’s crazy it’s just where she is right now. I also get some of the ladies not having so much patience with her, that’s their right, and comes from their own experiences. Everyone handles life’s shit differently and bethenny is going through hers and that’s fine, they shouldn’t judge the way she’s coping vs the way they did, or how anyone else has. People are different, either you have some compassion or you don’t and let it be.
I don’t particularly care for heather at all, but I see her perspective. She thinks she’s being friendly, interested, engaged but the way it’s coming off is intrusive. It’s clear she and bethenny don’t get along so her questions and efforts to “help” or be involved aren’t received in that way. I would want her to just leave me alone too, but she keeps going back in like she’s determined to get the acknowledgement/reaction she wants from bethenny. Not everyone is meant to be besties, sometimes two people just don’t vibe, let it go.
All of this. Yes. Nail on the head.
Dorinda is growing on me, also. I feel like she handles things directly instead of behind everyone’s backs which is pretty rare on these shows lol Still not sure about John, I think she treats him pretty badly at times, but if they are happy she’s right to ask the girls to respect him.
I would have kicked Sonja out of my bedroom, was surprised it didn’t bother Dorinda. I love Heather and thought she was being nice to offer bethenny food alternatives. All B had to do was say thanks, but she wasn’t really hungry anyway.
The part where Heather compared losing her nanny looked highly edited. But I get it being upsetting, even though it sounds silly to most. Her kids have had the nanny in their lives for 9 years! I’m sure she’s like family and a 2ed mom to the kids. Heather’s a great mother, she’s worried about them.
Because Carole & B hit it off, I think that’s why Heather is trying so hard to get along with B. Carole’s her bestie, and if she & Bethenny cant get along, Heather will have to be left out from their outings. LOVE Dorinda’s home. Yep, I’d change a few things but its now one of my favorites from the shows.
This exactly–I think Heather is acutely feeling the bond developing between her bestie Carole and Bethenny. She seems to be feeling a little insecure and she’s being passive aggressive since Bethenny doesn’t want to give her the time of day.
Dorinda’s story about the house and her dad was so sweet. The purple couch however really hurt my eyes. So bright. But the house itself was nice.
Bethany’s sarcasm is funny and a signature of hers but she can’t take it when it’s directed towards her. I realize her and Heather really don’t have a relationship where a sarcastic dig might be taken as funny by Bethany. But my gosh lighten up it’s not like she asked you if you which was it the house or the garage like Ramona did in the looking back scene. Now that’s rude.
The only thing I wish someone would have flippin Throat Punched Heather for was the whole “Everyone has had a bad childhood/Mom that they do not speak with” crap! Although true for many of us…not all of us have Mother’s who stick their heads in ovens, or slit their fucking wrists! Not to mention, do it in a place that WE are the one’s to find them!
I wouldn’t have been surprised if that deer head leapt off the wall, attached itself to the zebra rug and bolted out the front door.That shit fest surely burned his glass eyes.
LOVE Dorinda! Hope she stays sane dealing with all the housewife mishigas.
Bethenny is extremely fragile right now. She finds herself dealing with exactly what she was afraid of-a failed marriage and a child to raise in a broken home. Fear is her overriding emotion and it shows in the way she’s trying to wall herself off from anything that doesn’t put her daughter first. Sadly, her hatred of Jason is going to interfere with the happiness she wants for Bryn. Maybe she should talk to Ramona and Avery, who are dealing with sort of the same issues.
Heather is trying to be the one who “fixes” Bethenny, and becomes her hero, but she’s waaaay too pushy and then gets resentful when Bethenny isn’t grateful for her efforts. If she really wanted to help, she’d be more sensitive to how her help is being received and act accordingly.
Ramona is a total whack job this season! Sonja is right behind her in the crazy category, and the countess is pure comic relief. Still loving Carole-and you know if you had a girlfriend who had a new man who was in the gossip pages, you’d read it too!!
The comment Heather said, “if you dont want a meatball, dont eat nothing then”, was stupid. Who the hell is Heather to ditate what people eat or say? I think Heather was pissed because she was trying to engage in a conversation with Ramona’s date, by asking him a 1000 questions, and Bethenny wasnt paying her any attention. It was Heathers “look at me” moment, and Bethenny was ignoring her, along with many other guests at the table who were involved in their own conversations. But she focused on Bethenny, because she doesnt like her, why? Because Bethenny isnt aware that Heather CONTROLS these ladies, and she is not following suit. When she tryed to grab Bethenny’s hand to pull her aside, and Bethenny refused it, I loved it. Heather is unattractive, inside and out.
Happy Birthday Dorinda – and Heather always looks like she is snarling. She needs Bethenny’s approval and can’t figure out why she isn’t impressed with her. Dorinda’s house is amazing.
Heather has now shortened mama to ma..which grates on my nerves and makes me Xanax extra and she wants to mother everyone on the show, especially Bethenny.
Sharks on the walls???
When the season began, conventional wisdom speculated that Bethenny didn’t get along with Heather because she couldn’t deal with another very successful, smart, beautiful business woman on the show. I now see the problem is with Heather.
Bethany also is a little bit gone this year yet I do understand,having been born to the wrong parents,wrong husband,half of a father(my saying)and a mother that never give you a kiss on the forehead,or a teaspoon of medicine when you are sick,and never signed your report card. The one friend that you did trust (Jill) hurt you to the core, who by the way was just like Heather.she seem ok
With one new person Dorinda. Just give her time. Lord knows I’ve been there. I thank God and those Friends who hung in there.lets give her a little more time,this might be the only time that she allows herself to interact with other people.there are four signs in the zodiac she just might be a water sign,pain and loss affect people different ways.
Bethenny’s astrological sign is a water sign, but all you need to know is that she’s a Scorpio. Just. Like. Brandi.
ARRRRGH will check moderation again, but I have found NOTHING. I think WP has going back in time, because this is not just happening to you.
I agree with most of the comments that Bethany is a mess, BUT Heather needs to back off and leave other people alone. She has a really bad habit of butting into other people’s business and tells people what they should do. Once someone says to back off, you don’t walk around the table and try to get them to leave the room with you. She just doesn’t listen. And what was with that comment about losing her nanny. How does correlate to having a seriously messed up family dynamic? And, I really want to like Carole, but what is with the “I don’t do hugs and crying and all that stuff” attitude. No wonder her book about the death of her husband and friends came off so shallow. Everyone should do empathy. I’m liking these ladies less and less and time goes on.
I did shortened what I really had to say,my children are now. I only interact with my old friends,keep to myself, trust only old friends,and enjoy my children because they see their dad for who he is.lets Betanny a couple of more episodes .
Is English your first language?
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Please delete that last comment TT. Please! Wording all wrong
carole and Betheny hit if off because carole has to be friends with the cool girl in the room, in this case, in her mind- Bethenny. And Bethenny is hoping for some Kennedy connection fame via carole. They are both using each other for their own selfish reasons. even though none will admit it.
At the risk of stating the obvious, I will never, ever, get used to the way Ramona speaks. If I didn’t know better, I would fully assume this woman is tweeked off her head every minute of the day. It doesn’t get easier this many seasons in either. I just don’t understand the pacing, tone, and the inflection in this woman’s speech. It’s bizarre. It make me anxious and somewhat nauseous, listening. I could not take anything this woman says seriously if she was in front of me lol
Ramona reminds me of …….Kim Richards. It’s only a matter of time. I think she’s on Adderall.
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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She needs her dose adjusted!
I was thrilled that Dorinda called out Kristin for gyrating against John. Finally someone pointed that out to her. She was totally complicit and had the audacity to sit there and blame it on him in her talking head. And even while Dorida is calling her out, she stupidly says “What are you talking about?” Like an idiot. But she is pretty, though 😉
Dorinda’s boyfriend is a slimeball, why is that even up for debate? The guy can’t keep his hands to himself.
So not a big deal, as we know how these shows are. But. We all watched Sonja walk into Dorinda’s room and “borrow” a dress. A dress see didn’t even wear? What was that about? Sonja then wore some sort of Black ensemble with a black fur over it. Weird. Was Sonya just looking for an excuse to saunter in half dressed? Or did Sonya dislike the choice she was given? I know. Lame. Just one of those stupid things we notice.
I used to really like Bethany, but now – I am barely able to tolerate her. She seems to have lost herself and it feels like her whole identity now has become her problems and neuroses. It’s hard to watch her. If she feels inside the way she comes off on camera – so uptight, always close to biting someone’s head off, like a caged animal ready to escape and pounce, it must be incredibly exhausting. I wonder if she is able to relax or if she just has to go, go, go until she drops from exhaustion or explodes in inappropriate emotions like sobbing w/Carole while out shopping or crying at the dinner party. Gawd, she needs some therapy (and not the on camera b.s. kind).
I found it weird that during her on camera therapy she was defensive and did not want to go to a place where she would cry. Um, that is the appropriate place to cry about your traumas, not in a furniture store.
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Not having a dress? IMO, a lame excuse – Sonja needed a scene. She sauntered into Dorinda and John’s room half dressed because she thinks she’s sexy and likes to flaunt it and I guess she thinks the viewers like to see it. No thanks! lol
Didn’t have a dress? But why not just pluck one from her fabulous fake fashion line? lol
This season reminds me of the one where Ramona debuted her skin renewal cream. That was the same season that she professed she was a “New” Ramona. I’m happy to say she has never changed, and the Ramona-Coaster is in full shit-stirring mode!! lol
Bethenny is amazing!!! <3
Going back and forth on my love for Kristen. Not liking Heather very much this season. Luanna has always been amazingly bitchy. I think she's the same pretentious holier than thou person that she's always been, and I love it.
Dorinda’s house is amazeballs. I’m surprised but I do like Dorinda on the show. Bethenny is a hot, fake mess but fun to watch. The countess is getting some good ones in this season.
Since we have dueling alcohol product pitchwitches (oooo….I like that term. Go me.) on this show, maybe Dorinda’s house is a neutral zone. No Ramona Pinot Grigio and no Skinny Products.
Xanaxdude that needs to be made it to a housewife tagline!
I may not be the only alcoholic pitchwitch but I am the drunkest.
Yes Hearher , the two good balls in the corner need to pipe down and pay attention to your inappropriate grilling of Ramona’s date! she treats everyone like they are 5! I think Bethenney was uncomfortable with what she was saying to the guy and was trying to break the ice. But Heather acts like the others are only allowed to speak when she seems it ok. Her first reaction is to snap and correct
Yes Hearher , the two good balls in the corner need to pipe down and pay attention to your inappropriate grilling of Ramona’s date! she treats everyone like they are 5! I think Bethenney was uncomfortable with what she was saying to the guy and was trying to break the ice. But Heather acts like the others are only allowed to speak when she seems it ok. Her first reaction is to snap at the women and correct them , then she briefly considers that she’s coming off too harsh and tries to say she’s joking and when that doesn’t work she just loses it trying to snatch Bethenney up , that failed too so she lost it and got so frustrated she started to cry?! Wow! She seriously had control issues.
I just watched it last night and was shocked at Heather’s and Bethenney’s intensity. Heather is overbearing and Bethenney is like Wonder Woman and those deflection bracelets. Or, since it’s French Open time, I’ll equate Bethenney responses to returning a lob with a smash volley to the body of her opponent. Incoming!!
Damn Tamara, good recap and you’ve got allll the tea today on your other posts. I’m happily click clicking all over your website.
Thanks ILEG!
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 1:03 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I related a little bit to both Heather and Bethenny last night :
Heather has attempted to befriend Bethenny since the season began but has been rejected. I think Heather is a little hurt/offended at this point. She’s a well meaning but overbearing mama bear type with good intentions but she needs to back off. Bethenny isn’t very good at establishing a POLITE distance. She’s pretty rude and I think that has hurt Heather’s feelings.
At the same time, I totally understand why Bethenny would be put off by Heather’s pushiness. Heather’s actions come across as disrespectful for lack of a better word. Bethenny has signaled over and over again to back off and Heather keeps coming in for more. Just leave her alone. And maybe try to be more sensitive to Bethenny’s situation. Not just her crap childhood but the fact she’s going through a heinous divorce and obviously is going to want to spend every possible minute with her daughter. I was so annoyed a few episodes back when Kristen said (paraphrasing) “I’ve got kids too and I can show up for these events” Yeah i think the situations are a little different. Good grief.
Lastly, I wonder if Bethenny sees shades of Jill Zarin in Heather and that’s one reason she hasn’t warmed to her.
well put!
Let’s face it, most of the women could use a copy of Miss Manners! I think Dorindas place it lovely! Some of the fabric choices may be a little dressy for a country place, but if she likes it that’s all that really matters!
I know they can’t say this on the actual show, but Bethenny ranted on and on about how she doesn’t want attention, she just wants a break from attention after being on tv with her ex and being a talk show host: so why is she on THIS show? If she doesn’t want attention and she needs a break from attention? Why did she come back to NY housewives when she keeps saying she’s at her breaking point, she wants the wall up, etc.? It’s such hypocrisy. When she interviewed Andy, the entire time she kept turning the focus back to herself. Every question she led back to herself in some way. Every episode seems to be mostly about her and how she doesn’t have a home even though she’s a mega millionaire. Then there’s crying and falling apart and fighting and not caring about anyone else and making dramatic entrances and exits. The very first episode she attacked Ramona and basically called her a prostitute because she said she was keeping company with men. WHY ARE YOU HERE?! If she really wants no attention, and to hang with her kid, don’t join a new tv show! The hypocrisy level is 10+. I liked her when she was on this show before, but in this rejoin she is completely horrible.
Loved Heather’s full-skirted black dress at Dorinda’s bday in the Berkshires- can anyone give me details?