Argh I was busy chatting in email with a couple of people. And did not have time to set up this post so I will be a little late in posting, probably. Apparently, it is still Ramona’s birthday. Still. I guess she wanted presents from people who were not in Atlantic City. She has a Turtle Time cake. And THANK GOD FOR BETHENNY for squashing the stupid trend of call women MAMA. I HATE THAT. I am no anybody’s Mama. It’s ridiculous and must be stopped. Bethenny hates the upper east side luncheon birthday party. I can totally appreciate that. Carole and Bethenny discuss Sonja’s psychopharmacologist. Which is a head shrinker that writes scripts. Much like most psychiatrists. The are actual doctors who treat mental disorders with medications. Not vitamins. Meanwhile, Sonja is talking about meditation and abundance candles with some whackadoo.
I do not want to think about Dorinda swinging.
Bethenny is hysterical tonight. Sonja is talking about her swami priestess whackadoo. It’s hysterical. Bethenny moves on to play therapist with Ramona. Then in the next scene Bethenny goes to therapy with her TV doctor. I really wish Bethenny could reconcile with Jason. But that is never going to happen and Bethenny feels betrayed Side note: I saw a video recently of Bethenny and Jason trying to co-parent on Bryn’s fourth birthday. I could not find it on Youtube. But Bryn was having a major meltdown when Jason had to pass her off to Bethenny and was screaming I want to stay with Daddy! Over and over as paparazzi filmed. It must be heartbreaking. There were dozens of paps there. Bethenny is concerned about trusting her judgment. She has recently broken up with (in real time) with her rebound relationship and is already seeing someone else. Bethenny is wanting to meet up with her stepfather John, because she wants Bryn to have some family on here side. Also, I have to break up with my therapist this week. I really can’t afford her anymore with my unaffordable Obama care. Plus, I think I’ve heard all of her things multiple times, it’s getting repetitive at this point. Clearly, I don’t listen. And I have you guys to tell my troubles too. I’m pretty much an open book. More advice is not going to help. I have to do some work on myself. Plus, I will see here again here and there. I’m too poor to be crazy.
Carole and Kristen go to a boxing match. I too like boxing. I love the brutality of it all. So manly. Although whenever my man has been in a fight I generally do the totally wrong thing and try to protect him LOL. They are front row and one of the dudes mouth guard hits Kristen in the leg. Sonja and Luann show up. It’s time for Carole’s friend’s uy to box. Kristen gets really into it. I totally get it, Kristen. Later the ladies go out for drinks and the Luann bitching about Carole dating Adam continues. Adam and the niece are in Nicaragua right now working on the farm. They are friends. Luann is ridiculous.
Bethenny goes to Miami for a girl’s weekend with her high school friends. While she is there she will meet with her step-father, John. Luann is conveniently also in Miami. She has drinks with her maid of honor from her wedding. Oh wow, Luann’s daughter is showing her work at Art Basel! That is very cool in my book. Bethenny recounts that John was abusive to her mother and beat her mother in front of her. Um, why does she want an abusive man in Bryn’s life? Bethenny says that her childhood was horrible but her divorce is ten times worse. No wonder she looks like a skeleton, Bethenny says, and her friend agrees that she does look like a skeleton. That’s a good friend.
Ramona and Dorinda work out together. Ramona thinks Dorinda’s dry cleaner is a gold digger. He has to be something because Dorinda treats him like shit.
Back in Miami, Luann and Bethenny go to Art Basel. Victoria’s piece is a full frontal nude self portrait. I want to go to Art Basel. Victoria should be very proud. I love the setting for this convo with Bethenny and Luann. Luann says that the girls think that Bethenny is a bit standoffish with the girls. Bethenny pays three dollars to feed a clown. Sadly he lost his nose in the process.
Bethenny meets with John who she considered her father. He is a horse trainer just like her bio dad. Bethenny says she has no anger toward him. Bethenny says that her mother trying to commit suicide in front of her, the abuse, her going to nightclubs at fourteen, all of it made her who she is today. Bethenny is trying to get in touch with her mother but now that she is a mother. She can’t imagine treating a child this way. John says that her mother never wanted child. Bethenny recounts some horrible stories. John says he is sorry for what happened. He says he also has a lot of special feelings for her. Bethenny is still trying to make sense of her childhood. I totally get it. You want it all to make sense. But there is no sense to be mad of some things. Somethings are madness and evil and there is no logic there. Bethenny says she was not mad. John said he was mad at her for not hearing from her for over 20 years. Meanwhile I just stopped my recording because dipshit Andy is forcing us to record WWHl and that pisses me off.
That was a raw scene. No product placement.
Next week: Sonja promotes her fashion line. Bethenny cries to Carole. Something happens with Luann and Dorinda and Luann threatens to stick Ramona’s face in the caviar
I actually SAW Bethenny this week. She may have a heart. This episode shows what starts to happen to women my age. That side of 45-50. Not what happens early forties, when you think what the fuck is going on. NY is such a classic in terms of geography, culture and personality. A mish mash of scenes/info, but as close to real life feelings as we have seen.
Bethenny’s mother seems like a real basket case. No wonder she’s as messed up as she is.
I used to work in the ER but now am at a state psych hospital. The apples never fall far from the tree. We’ve had children, as young as 5 & 6, committed to this facility. It shouldn’t excuse bad behavior, but it does help to understand why people act the way they do.
This is why Bethenny is a network favorite. She is never afraid to ‘go there’ with the audience. This is definitely how tons of us initially fell in love with her as a TV personality. She gives you a raw look inside.
I wanted to slap that John character. What kind of monster could tell someone that their mother never wanted them? I don’t care if it is true, but still! I guess Bethenny turned out pretty OK, considering.
Agreed.
That was harsh of Bethenney’s dad to tell her that her mother never wanted her but maybe if will help her accept who her mom is and come to terms with it. I would never let her back in my life though. I remember her saying she begged to go to boarding school because she didnt want to live at home.
I think she really loved Jason and Jason really hated her at the end. I remember him saying he felt emasculated because she made all the money and he felt that she made him feel that way. She told him not true and it was his stuff. She is not the type to try to massage his ego. Money changes the balance of power and neither could navigate it. This never ending divorce must be brutal.
Jason just doesn’t seem like the type of man that could handle a strong woman like Bethenny. What was she supposed to do – try to be less successful?
The pain of a mother not loving you never goes away-it cuts deep as a knife and leaves you with an empty space inside that nothing can fill. Unfortunately, it can make you over-compensate as a parent out of fear you will do the same thing to your own child.
Or it can make you not want children at all which makes me think Bethenny’s grandmother must be evil.
Thanks for the wonderful update Tamara. You just saved me an hour of my life. Your post was like watching it. You’re the best.
Bethenny can spend a lifetime trying to figure it out, but sometimes things just don’t make sense.
Yeah, sometimes I can’t stand Bethenny and then other times she does a 180 and becomes human and relatable and I like her again. The poor thing probably feels responsible for her mother’s issues. She shouldn’t.
I have to say I’m not into Victoria’s art at all. Sorry. It’s boring and it’s been done before, and much better than that. No, she doesn’t have to be an art revolutionary, but she could try a little harder. Just my opinion.
I wonder how much being a spawn of RHONY played a part in Victoria’s work being selected for Art Basel. She’s certainly talented but it wasn’t a particularly interesting piece. Naturally, I’m bitter & jealous.
Being a spawn of RHONY gets you nowhere for Art Basel.
On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I don’t know. That curator seemed pretty fame whorish to me.
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Absolutely none. Art Basel is one of the premiere art events in the world, they’re not interested in Housewife spawns, lol. Don’t be bitter or jealous. If you have artwork and a passion behind it, be bold and submit it, Lady.
Don’t forget that her father is a Count. That might help. It just seems that a lot of artists come from well-to-do families. They promote themselves as street kids, but then it turns out their family is royalty or huge financial power players. Like Basquiat.
I would think the association would be a mark against her if anything.
It’s not RHONY but being well-connected helps. I think to people that don’t know a lot about the contemporary art scene Exit Thru The Gift Shop is very good at showing how the art market and art are one in the same these days. It’s unregulated so many collectors will push artists they can invest in. Major Collectors have a huge say in the selection of these artists in festivals Bc they drive the market.
Speaking of art as commerce, does anyone remember when Luanne’s niece competed on Bravo’s Work of Art: The Next Great Artist? I’m not sure if it’s the chef niece or not (she has two & they look identical to me). >
@Microop Thank You! There are so many things I would like to say about this issue, but I’m afraid it would be met with scorn. The art world is just as bad as any other corrupt business. For some reason people think Art Basel, or the Whitney Biennial, or Paris Photo or whatever other high falootin’ shows are a big deal. And they are, but not for the reasons you might expect. It’s about the “art” but simultaneously it’s not. Look up Charles Saatchi and read about the YBA’s to get a better idea of how to “make it” as an artist. Then take that knowledge and figure out why Victoria is at an allegedly respected show. Who are her investors?
It occurred to me that Bravo has a deal with Art Basel. I can think of one other episode Art Basel was featured in, I would imagine there has been more.
At least it was step up from the John Wayne Gacyesque clown act looking to be fed. Seemed a bit like shart fart art to me.
This was one of the most true to life episode’s when Bethenny met John. When he told her that her Mother never wanted her, Just Wow…love her or not she has overcome and not a Kim Richards.
I immediately stopped reading at “I’m too poor to be crazy” because this is the best line I have ever read. The rest doesn’t matter. That statement was life.
Agree…and the crazy run deep. I just put on my sane person disquise and get on with life. Don’t most of us?
That is what I do ☺
Thank God for sunglasses-I feel safe behind them.
TT, congratulations on dumping your therapist. I dumped mine last summer, when she lectured me on the importance of wearing makeup. 98 degrees outside, I just beat death, and she’s focused on makeup? Not really one of my priorities right now.
Maybe she sold Mary Kay on the side.(get a facial with your next session. Free antianxiety meds with each eyeshadow quad.) I understand the fragile feeling, where just being able to get to the bathroom and wipe yourself is a BIG accomplishment. Then you have to lie down for an hour because you are so tired. I felt wonderful if I could brush my teeth, wash my face, and slap on some moisterizer. Just being overwhelmed and wondering if you are going to wake up the next morning.
Exactly.
I’m not really dumping her. I’m just putting her on summer hiatus. We may return with a new season in the fall.
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Cat, I have to agree that most therapists are crazier than anyone they ever treat. That’s insane that makeup was even on the table. Good for you.
The makeup comment is bad, but not the worst I’ve ever heard. Some therapists go so far as to proselytize their patients. Like, if you’d just accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior, then He could fix your crazy. Eeeeeeeew! They’re therapists, not Jehovah’s Witnesses. That’s just too fucking much.
I feel that way about psychiatrists-never met one I liked. They’re all cold and anal. I have one I go to now that I can tolerate but I really feel like she’s just my drug dealer-We talk for 20 minutes, she writes me a script and I give her $225.00.
What? That sounds ridiculous! I dumped my therapist Bc she really helped me and I found that I didn’t need her anymore, which I guess means she was great!
Dang Microop…where are you from ! I need a good therapist!
Mmm hmm. Your therapist is obviously a good one. It’s a beautiful thing when they help you get to the point where you can say, “Yeah, I got this.” Congratulations!
Mine is a good one too. I just need some time apart. 🙂 I feel like a broken record every time I go in. I give the same report. I know and have the tools to improve things. There is really not much more she can do for me until I start making some changes. So I shall Tomato plant therapy with walks in the summer and check back in with her in 6 months or so.
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TT, I hear you. The “homework” is just as important as the talk time. Years ago a friend was so irate because her therapist told her to go ride a bike. She was insulted at what she perceived to be a flippant response.
Turns out, the endorphins and the meditative quality that comes with exercise is a great prescription. You are on the right track. Make some minor changes, see if they lead to bigger ones and check back in.
I am trying to do the same. #doggeddetermination
Really felt empathy for Bethenny, especially as she tried to explain repeatedly to her step-parent, “I was the child, you folks were the adults”. It was hard to watch her try to explain away or find some good in it all.
It’s kind of amusing to me that a chef is dating Carole, a woman who had her kitchen removed during her remodel, because she doesn’t eat at home.
For Tamara:
“Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must live.”
“Some lose all mind and become soul,insane.
some lose all soul and become mind, intellectual.
some lose both and become accepted”
Courtesy of one of my favorite poets/authors: Charles Bukowski
Thank you for all you do to entertain us. It means a great deal. Hang in there. Everything’s gonna be alright.
Nice!
TT: It sounds like you do a very good job sorting through your own challenges and working to find answers- that is 2/3 of the battle. If her stories/suggestions are getting both stale and expensive it sounds like a summer break- with an audience full of supporters/challenges might be just the right thing!
Wishing you lots of peace of mind with it this summer- and successes you can chalk up while gardening!
Wow. thank you.
Mostly I just want to bitch about that stupid clown scene…that had to be the most idiotic, time wasting scene in the history of housewives. I hate clowns, I especially hated that stupid clown that stuffed his face for three buck ice cream, and his stupid red rubber clown nose fell off. It’s hard to believe that after all the filming they do, this was considered worthy enough to waste my time with. WTF?
Wasn’t that creepy? Absolutely the weirdest non-art moment and a waste of time. Blech.
Amen- I wonder whose idea that was? Way out of place.
Way out of place? That’s what art Basel is about .., did you hear about the girl that charged people’s phones w her vagina there??
I get Bethany’s desire to control all things now, truly raw. We are all human in the end and she’s a good example to never judge a book by its cover.
Good luck on the break up TT.
If Bethenny’s hadnt talked about her past on the show I probably wouldnt be able to stand her. Because she has, I understand the crazy more than it annoys me.
Good point, Lisa. Children who grow up in chaos tend to want to control anything they can as a means of survival. I can attest to this as a result of my own crazy childhood. That need to be in control just grows stronger from there into adulthood. It has its good and bad points. It makes you stronger, but the downside is it can be very off putting to others As Bethenny said, it’s made her who she is today, good, bad, warts and all.
I thought the need to control everything around me would have subsided by now but it feels like it’s gotten worse. It really affects those around me-especially my kid.
I get the whole terrible childhood thing. Mine was horrific. What I don’t get now is why it’s still about her. When I decided to have children I tried sorting out my childhood for the purpose of trying to be a better example than I had been given. The video you described just sounds heartbreaking. Doesn’t necessarily reflect on Bethenny’s parenting skills though. I hope she knows that.
Rich people have psychiatrists poor people have bartenders!
Soyna has a bartender and she’s rich.
Sonja’s rich???? 🙂
I adore Bethenny, always have, because I get the place she’s coming from. When you have been through the wringer and have had to claw your own way out, you have little patience and concern for the petty things many people are concerned with. I think that’s where her impatience with some of the women comes from. Also, I can totally relate to her not trusting her own judgment and not wanting any new friends in her life, I am going through the exact same cycle after a horrific breakup. When you realize your judgment of someone was so entirely and completely wrong, it rocks your world, your sense of self, your confidence in being able to distinguish good people from dangerous ones- so I withdrew completely from anyone I don’t already 100% know/trust for years. Not worth the risk. She’s right to see her therapist and try to walk through it because it’s no way to be permanently, it’s just a temporary backlash after getting burned so badly. (I hope). I have immense respect for women like her, who handle themselves and are successful and try to improve without wallowing in victimhood. More power to her.
I sympathize with the bad break up. Boy do I ever! I had one with someone that had been a friend prior, and when he treated me so cruelly I too felt I couldnt trust my judgement and about lost my mInd. I also lost several friends through it (they were not my friends after all). After all the betrayls I totally stick to people I know and have gone back to keeping people at arms length, my comfort zone.
Did it strike others as it did me last night, that the bulk of the episode was richer and more meaningful because of all Bethenny shared? More honest and touching- and so much the B I respected. The “Mam” and Holla” nonsense is so silly next to it. As was much of the rest.
I bet this is what Bravo was hoping she would bring back- the reality that touched and compelled us- it surely makes me want to listen or more- and to hope things improve as she struggles to make things right for her and her daughter.
I totally agree. I think this is why Bethenny said she feels like she was born to be on reality T.V. She is vulnerable and real. She is not spending all her effort on making her believe it is something that it isn’t (like so many of the housewives).
Bethany is driving me crazy this season. She literally gives me anxiety. But I enjoyed her last night. She dropped her schtick & got real. Now I get why Andy wanted her back… >
what the hell is a swami priestess? Is that a paying job?
Oh, and you forgot the Carole thing. I keep trying to like her as she is a smart lady who has gone through so much, but she’s crazy in her own way. Somehow she got stuck at age sixteen and can’t move on. If anyone read her book “What Remains,” she and Carolyn Kennedy acted like a couple of giggling sorority sisters who never grew up. Forward twenty years and now she’s a fifty+ woman dating a twenty-nine year and calling him a boy and herself a girl. And she’s offended when Luann says she’s dating “Sonya young.” Yeah, she is and he is young enough to be your son. I just don’t get the ridiculous mid-life crisis. I wanted her to be deeper than that, but she’s just not.
Yea. That whole “when a boy likes a girl” crap has sent me over the deep end. Hickies, bunny ears, most everything she wears, what ever that was she was wearing on her head at Ramona’s Bday party, not working and waiting for texts from him, giggling, all that shit is unbearable to watch.
Thanks for both excellent comments- so very true-
Uh, I read What Remains too. Carolyn Bessette Kennedy was pretty much the only person who actively supported Carole during her husband’s all-consuming battle with cancer. She was the only one to say things to Carole along the lines of, “Sometimes you need to take care of you. Remember you?” A couple times she also traveled to Washington to support Carole while Carole was supporting Anthony during his treatments at NIH.
Together they A) went shoe shopping at Tysons Corner Center while Anthony was hospitalized at NIH, and B) got matching friendship rings at Tiffany’s and had them engraved.
None of the above spells “giggling sorority sisters who never grew up” to me. More like two good, supportive friends.
I don’t see a woman who is stuck in her teenage years or who is in crisis, mid-life or otherwise. I see a woman who is enjoying herself and her life, doing what (and who) she wants to do, and doesn’t give a rat’s ass what it looks like to other people. Good for her.
Yeah, I don’t get the Carole hate. Her behavior seems totally neutral to me. Neither bad nor good. She’s not hurting anyone. The “boy” is pushing 30. Grown folks can do whatever they want. Carole could have a harem of 20-somethings and it would be fine by me.
I haven’t commented on this yet, but here goes. Luanne is a hateful bitch. She called Carole’s boyfriend “Sonja young”, and Carole took it as an insult. Because it is. The implication there is not just about Carole’s love life, but also about questioning her mental stability. If I were Carole, in that moment I would’ve said: “Fuck you Luanne! Go get you some young dick! If you can?! Maybe a mouthful of that’ll help you shut the fuck up?!!!
Luanne’s inappropriately obsessing over this issue. She’s acting like Carole stole HER boyfriend, rather than her neice’s.
Thank you. That’s what I got from the book, which is beautifully written and profoundly sad.
Carole is being Carole. It’s nice to see someone who came through such a loss find her joy button again.
@Minky:
Agreed. LuAnn’s (over) reaction – at least as we’re seeing now on WWHL and Twitter – doesn’t fit the perceived “crime”.
At first I thought that LuAnn either: A) had designs on Adam herself and Carole beat her to the punch, or B) that LuAnn sees her employees as her property and was insensed that Carole had the nerve to date Adam without her permission. Certainly the activities of her niece’s ex-boyfriend couldn’t be of that much concern.
Now I see that LuAnn wasn’t so bothered by it at the time. In the last two episodes she’s treating it as a minor annoyance. She’s still hanging out with Carole, traveling to Atlantic City seperately with her, extending invitations to her.
Apparently something happens on the upcoming Turks and Caicos trip to anger LuAnn, and now the Carole/Adam situation is a huge deal retroactively. This tells me that LuAnn knows it’s all ridiculous bullshit, but it’s the only straw she can grasp to use against Carole. It also tells me that whatever happens in the T & C’s, LuAnn’s in the wrong again…because she’s using the “the best defense is a good offense” strategy.
My 2 favorite quotes of the season both come from Luann: “He’s Sonja young” & “Be cool. Don’t be all, like, uncool.” I can’t wait for Turks & Caicos! >
You make some really valid points. I didnt read the book, but I get the point about the heavy judgement that we women get ,from all sides ,so often. Theres so many harsh opinions about how women are supposed to behave or dress at certain ages. But really is it all that important? Wer’e all trying to get through life grabbing our happiness how we can. Carole is living how she wants and it’s on her terms. Nothing wrong there. Isn’t that what we want for women?
Lady C, I totally love “Be cool, don’t be all uncool”. I thought ,” I’m about to shove Ramona’s face into the caviar” was pretty classic too.
Anytime a woman steps outside the box, the mid life crisis label gets slung around. Ive never understood (within reason ), why anyone cares who’s fucking whom or dating whom at any given time. Get a life people. Im happy for people if theyre happy ,and dont snicker at any unusual pairings. That’s mean and serves no purpose, except to discourage a possibly successful relationship. Iv’e witnessed women before, who judge other women for doing the exact same thing theyv’e done themselves, going younger. It’s an attitude of “it’s different when I do it”. Really delusional and hypocritical.
I agree I liked Carole at first because she seemed so with it and her sense of humor…now it’s like she’s someone else!
Mainly I agree on the Luann issue…Luann she didn’t have a problem hooking up with the pirate /Johnny Depp lookalike he was 30 ..in fact she lied to Jacque about it! Seems Luann might have wanted Adam LOL
@S Yes! Bazinga! My thoughts as well.
Maybe one of my days off this holiday weekend I will do a marathon of this show with a great big bottle of wine to get caught up. This recap makes me want to watch the show again.
If it were me I don’t think I would be that upset with Carol picking up my niece’s x in my kitchen. However, in Carole’s first season she invited the girls to her friends trunk show who was a jewelry designer. Luann loved the jewelry and went to the lady’s showroom to buy some. When Carole’s friend told Carole the story she said Luann came to buy some pieces and then the jewelry designer’s husband came in who is a fashion designer. The husband offered Luann some tequila and sat with her and told her his story. Luann asked him if he would be interested in lending her one of his gowns when she does a photo shoot. Carole’s friend did not say she was upset about it, she seemed to like Luann. Carole got seriously bent out of shape. She said Luann was a “friend jumper”. She said it was extremely tasteless of her. She said her fashion designer friend dresses Michele Obama and Luann was beyond ridiculous to dare to ask him to borrow a dress. Carole then went on to confront Luann about it and told her her friends were upset. She basically told Luann she could not be friends were her friends.
OMG….I had forgotten about that. EXCELLENT POINT! You are totally correct. I like Carole but I do think she crossed a line that shouldn’t have been crossed. She knows Luann’s niece…..some girl code Carole.
Merci Lori. I’ve been watching old episodes lately. It is amazing to see it again knowing what happens down the line, there is a lot of irony like the friend jumper attack. One really funny example is when Cindy Barshop was on, she invited Sonja to lunch at Cipriani’s but had to cancel because her tooth feel out! She made a whole production of it, wrapping the tooth up in a Hermes box and canceling lunch with Sonja so she could go to the dentist. Sonja was so pissed because she had been used so Cindy could get airtime about the teeth and free dental work. Now Sonja has totally stolen her schtick!
I’m kind of team Luann on the chef issue. It looked like Adam was almost part of the family, like an older brother to Noel (who probably needed male role models after his father abandoned the family). I think Luann’s upset goes a lot deeper than merely “screwing the help.”
Yep, that makes sense.
Hmmm that is an interesting perspective. I’ve been wondering what else could potentially be fueling Luann’s reaction.
… although, thinking about it more, then maybe Adam shouldn’t have been schtupping the niece, if he was in that position of lead male in the household. I’ll be curious to see if they ever reveal much more backstory as it progresses. Truth is stranger than fiction.
Yes, I agree. He was her niece’s recent ex-boyfriend and her son’s friend. Too close for comfort. I dont need my friends screwing my son’s friends.
Some of what you write is true but you’re definitely presenting it with a certain bias. She certainly didn’t tell Lulu she was, “beyond ridiculous to dare to ask him to borrow a dress”. She said nothing of the sort. I also don’t think Carole, “confronted” her about the situation-she was upset and talked to her about it rather then letting it simmer inside and ruin their friendship-that seems like the mature thing to do when you’re upset. Obviously, they became friends so Lulu got over it.
Sure, those aren’t Carole’s exact words, but it certainly was the implication.
@Jane Grey:
I saw that as Carole being embarrassed by LuAnn’s bad manners. Carole introduced her to Naeem Khan and the next thing out of LuAnn’s mouth was, “Could I borrow a dress?” I’d be mortified too if I were Carole, especially since LuAnn is a self-appointed etiquette expert. I mean, I introduce you to my friend and out of the gate you’re all, “What can you do for me?” Who does that?
Of course Mr. Khan didn’t have a problem with it, or if he did, didn’t let on; that’s what a gracious person does. The fact that he didn’t seem to mind doesn’t make it okay. Those of us who were well-raised though, know that one doesn’t hit up people for favors the minute that you meet them.
So I guess I could just boil it down to the friend jumper accusation then.
Also, the difference is that Carole confronted Luanne. She didn’t go behind her back and spread gossip. Carole’s right about the friend jumper thing. It’s crass and obnoxious. Luanne has no class. She’s desperate to convey a certain image, but she’s certainly no Jackie O. You don’t ask favors of people 5 minutes after meeting them, whether a friend/aquaintance introduced you or not. That should go without saying. Bethenny called Luanne the Dis-Countess for a reason.
I’m not team Luann on any level. Just pointing out the hypocrisy of the friend jumper thing
TT drop the therapist. I’ve lost all hope for them. My sister who is bat shit crazy herself decided to go back to school in her late 30’s. She is now getting ready to graduate next year as a therapist. If she could give anyone advice on how to not be crazy I’m scared. She is my baby sister so I love her but makes me wonder if she is gonna be treating people for mental issues what’s going on with the people I don’t know?
Are Carole and Sonja both 52? Is that right? Does anyone know, TT? (not that it matters but I always thought they were from different generations)
The Luanne and Bethanny scene was not a good look for Luanne. “When your kid goes to sleep just make the effort to come out and film with us”. Yeah because you ladies who bitch anout Bethanny nonstop should be her priority and not her daughter. Idiot.
And yet, Dorinda said she wasn’t even invited. That’s twice now.
Luanne wasn’t invited? My god, that woman. Luanne has been showing her ass so much this season it’s not even a joke anymore. She’s been mooning all of America!
OK…my 2 cents worth on Carole/Luann: I understand where Luann is coming from. Who really knows all the details? We certainly don’t. For all we know, he’s sleeping with both of them, but passes off the niece as a friend. Perhaps the niece doesn’t mind the label of “friend”. Personally, I don’t mix certain circles. Maybe I’m right, maybe I’m wrong. I don’t like her references to being a “girl”. My lesbian friends claim it’s actually derogatory to use that term to describe ourselves that way. At first I didn’t get it but now I do. IF their relationship is real I believe Carole will be heartbroken in the end, even if she doesnt really want him and will feel her age that much more. (Am I projecting?) I don’t like to see grown assed women acting like they are 16. Especially smart ones. But I guess that’s my own issue.
These all seem like your own issues. The niece was long broken up with the boy. Who is almost 30. The niece doesn’t care about this as much as you seem to.
You need new lesbian friends.
That is all. 🙂
On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Maybe your therapist has some time for me?
She is good. The best thing she did for me was explain that all of my crazy is blossoming because of perimenopause. I was feeling legit crazy and know why made a huge difference. So, I’m still crazy but calmer about it.
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I love Bethenny she’s always sooo funny to me. Carole looks like a transgender (not in the bad way) just something seems off to me. Maybe I should google her to see pics of her in her prime — she’s still got a bod though. I liked this episode .. Barely anyone heather and a lot of Bethenny lol ☺️
I know this commentary is very very late regarding this episode but I am just now watching it again. Is the friend Bethenny is having drinks with in Miami in some sort of disguise? That lady looks like she has a wig on and she just looks kind of off. It just seems like she is trying to hide herself.