The transgender community is getting a lot of attention due to Bruce Jenner’s interviews with Diane Sawyer. If you missed those, you can read Part 1 here, and Part 2 here. The comments in both posts are and interesting read.
I can’t imagine transitioning at Bruce’s age. I get when young people do it. And I guess at a certain stage of life we are all doing the things we wanted to do when we were younger, go to Paris, take an Alaskan cruise, buy a really expensive handbag or pair of shoes, backpack through Europe, order the most expensive thing on the menu. On the other hand, there are some goals that may have to go unmet when you reach a certain age, running a marathon, becoming an astronaut, entering a wet T-shirt contest for example. 
I suppose that since Bruce has the means to transition and the desire, so more power to him. On the other hand, it’s very hard on the kids when Dad becomes a woman.
But today, the word is that neither of Bruce’s families what him to do his reality show. Especially the Kardashians. WTF? Bruce has been the butt of jokes and the punching bag on reality TV for years. And now they want to deny him having his own voice?
I don’t believe for a moment this is them worried about him cheapening his experience. I think they are all worried about how it will affect them and their “brand.”
Do you think Bruce should share his transition in a docu-series?
I think Bruce should do whatever HE wants. I can’t imagine transitioning at this age either, but like the Diane Sawyer interview revealed – he had wanted to do this for a long time and was talked out of it. It is HIS story so if he wants to do a docu-series then he should do it.
i absolutely agree. his life, his story, his way of telling his story. if it isn’t about those indulged morons they are against it. they aren’t worried about him, if they were they would support him instead of trying to think of reasons for him to not control the narrative. i cannot stand those women!
She. Whatever she wants. Did I do that right? I’m not sure. It’s so konfusing!!!
B. Jenner should do what she wants. It’s all up to HER.
THIS!!
I agree.Bruce should do whatever makes him/her happy. He waited long enough and now is his time to be what he wants./ He wants and needs to be a woman so go for it and enjoy what time you have left living the life that you were meant to live. The Kardashians are only interested in what makes their brand stronger and I have no respect for them. I do have respect for Bruce and his/her courage.
I have so much more respect for Bruce Jenner after HIS REAL story came out. I am so happy for Bruce to be living his/her truth! Good for Bruce!
Oh see. I should have read further. I guess I did it right.
When it first came out he was giving an interview I thought wth is he doing he has lost his friggin mind, than I watched the interview and actually started supporting him again, last night I watched thè Kardashian special part one and am back at being annoyed. I give up, I don’t know if any of their reactions are real or acting at this point. The “We support Bruce” campaign by the Kardashians now seem to be “We support Bruce as long as the public does and is good for our show to make money campaign” the Kardashian special was filmed Before Bruce’s interview, as you see there were tears, arguments etc. once Bruce’s interview happened and received positive feedback from the public they are back at supporting Bruce, so proud, we love him etc. jmo
I watched last night’s KUWTK Bruce episode, and I felt that all of the children’s reactions were genuine & honest, but not that Svengali Kris Jenner; I don’t trust a word out of her mouth.
I think it’s normal for all of Bruce’s kids to have different ranges of emotions & support. Each one is upset/supportive about different things. In my opinion last night’s show felt unscripted because it felt like honest authentic sincere feelings were expressed.
As annoying, shallow & vapid as Kim K is, she is the one that has been the most positive & accepting. I foresee her becoming a voice for transgender family education & awareness.
As you said, Kim k is shallow and vapid. That’s why she’s embracing this role.. because she’s been told it looks good on her. Good thing, wrong reason!
And the keast sincere.
It is my opinion that Kris Jenner is an evil sociopath. She is cruel and relentless and ugly in many ways. I am glad that Bruce finally broke free of her. She is a horrid person.
We also don’t know when their talking head interviews were filmed. I applauded his Diane Sawyer Interview. I had tears during parts of the Kardashian Special. However, if rumors are true, I was not surprised but disappointed to learn that Kris may have made an additional $250,000 for that special. The children came across as authentic. I felt Kris’s part was strictly a Brand moment; a chance to put herself in a better light, and to blame Bruce’s issues for the downfall of the marrIage negating any of her demeaning behavior towards him. I also believe the all of his children should have been included during the KardashiAn special.
Agreed. Where was his other children with his other wives?aybe Kris Jenner didn’t want to include them, because it wouldn’t benefit her brand. I enjoyed that Bruce Jenner was the Executive Producer for his special!
The kris/bruce talk was filmed weeks after ds interview & was SO FAKE. She tried to make him the bad guy towards the last yrs of marriage, but as i recall on the eps i did watch, she was so hard on him & literaly mean & wanted total control of everything. I always felt sorry for bruce, but when he wanted to move out, i was rooting for him, i wouldve done the same thing if i had to live with that monster.
She is doing major damage control trying to make herself as SOOOOOO supportive but only because the majority is behind bruce all the way. What a fake, phony, faux she is, & also a LIAR but kris WE SEE RIGHT THROUGH YOU
It’s all up to Bruce. Screw the Kardashians. Sorry to see they’re lacking in compassion, but wait, it’s all about them.
I think they were filled with comoassion and love, his kids.
I’ve always found the Kardashians/Jenners offensive. All they are is brand–no substance–except Bruce. He is an Olympian. He achieved something that only a handful of humans have accomplished ever. Now, he wants to transition. Go for it and blast it all over the TV so others who are dealing with this most difficult of changes can take heart and courage.
I agree, he did what Kris wanted for 23 or more years. He took on her and her kids telling Robert he didn’t have to pay Kris. He let himself be humiliated on her show. I watched his interviews today, after coming here first, of course. He feels he can help people, I am all for it. If he can help people, who cares what the Kardashians think. Who have they helped? He may save a young person from a life of misery or no life at all. Team Bruce!
I think his girls are team Bruce, and while I have never once watched the Kardashian’s with the exception of the interviews, I think they have a right to the roller coaster emotions and are coming from a place of support and love. . It’s very easy to say he is courageous, but what about them? Like it or not they are his family they love him and they are a part of this process.
Lisamia- right on!!! I agree!!!
Bruce should do whatever the fuck he wants. Those girls have embarrassed him over the years with sex tapes and selfish behaviors but did anyone give a rat’s ass how BRUCE felt? And obviously they still only care about themselves. Please for God’s sake, let this person do what he wants. Bruce has put off his own happiness for others long enough. This is definitely the year of the selfish.
You took the words right out my mouth (fingers,lol) It’s about damn time for him to do what HE wants instead of what THEY want! So tired of these women, fully support Bruce.
Even the name of the special “About Bruce” gives me the vibe of “So how are we going to spin this Bruce situation” more than it actually being about Bruce.
Twilly- agreed. The title “about Bruce” seems very disrespectful. I feel like the special was an after thought because Bruce decided he wanted to voice his real story, after they taped a whole season without mentioning Bruce’s transition.
Hmmmmm… I also wondered as I was watching if it was all filmed after Diane Sawyer. Then I saw the coming attractions for this week’s vacation episode which seems to include some issues in relation to Bruce’s transition (with kylie not wanting to go), so that confused me. Unless they also filmed that episode afterwards. Maybe only Kris’s was filmed after Diane Sawyer?
Anyway, I absolutely think that Bruce should do whatever his heart desires. I personally would love to watch his journey.
I support B Jenner, he really is an incredible dad. He was a champion in ’76 and i hope she is a champion in ’16. Already im learning ie crossdressing/ transgender. So yes educating ones who simply dont understand is positive. I think we should thank Chaz Bono also.
I watched portions of the Kardishians last night. I get that B. Jenner is going through a life altering event. So are the kids. I did not feel that there was a lot of acknowledgment of that. It hurt my heart when B. said “my main concern is Kyle and Kendall” to Khloe. Her talking head was telling when she said “I know I am not his blood but he is my father. Technically I have known Bruce longer than either one of them.”
To transition is a choice that the kids are supporting. But they have the right to mourn the loss of the father. I want B to be happy…and to continue to be a parental figure to all the kids both blood and those by marriage she helped raise.
@SaraK I totally agree about that comment to Khloe. I think he was thinking because they were younger. Still, Khloe has been his champion. He blamed Khloe for getting Kendall all riled up but I think maybe the idea of her Dad becoming a woman did that. I am not judging his decision but his delivery was off point. I cannot imagine how I would feel if my Dad or Mom came to me with a transgender decision. I don’t think he would ever walk away as a Dad to any of these kids. (The Kardashins/Jenners w Kris). But at the same time he did walk away from his other kids to pursue what he wanted. I wish him love and happiness but in a way that the kids are ok.
As far as Kris J goes, I find it extremely hard to find any ounce of sympathy for her as a Mother or Wife for her treatment of him/her and the choices she has made for her children. Sorry, not to wish her harm or sadness, but to wish her a epiphany.
That seent with Khloe really did took a dig at her and her eyes spoke volumes at how much that hurt. I was shocked!
Absolutely it did. I really think it had to do with and not lack of love for Khloe
I can’t believe Bruce said that to Khloe ! My heart broke for her , she has looked to him as her father since she was 4 , and his concern for just his 2 girl’s was cruel ! I feel bad for Kris and the whole family !
I took it to mean that he was concerned because they are the youngest with the least life experience to handle it. The other kids are adults. However, I agree that it seemed cold to hear it. If I am right he should have phrased it better.
The comment made to Khloe was shady! If he was worried about his two youngest kids because they are still impressionable- I can understand if that is why he said that. But it cut Khloe to the white meat, you could see it take the wind out of her.
I hope Bruce has a conversation with Khloe about that comment. When he said that, it made me cry. If my only living father figure said those words to me, I would be crushed and it would force me to put up my internal walls and become defensive.
I hope Bruce understands that the kids need time to mourn the loss of “Bruce” the father they grew up with.
If I were one of his kids, I would be very hurt that my father wasn’t honest with me. It would create trust issues for me. I understand that his children saw signs of cross dressing. It was something that wasn’t talked about so the kids just thought he was a secret cross dresser. Maybe the kids never imagined that their father would soon be a mother.
There is nothing wrong with his transition. I personally, accept it. If I were one of his kids, I do not know how I would react to 1. Never being told that his soul was female, 2. That my father was transitioning into a mother. It would be a lot to take in.
I am old and remember Bruce in the 70’s and the Olympics. He was the very epitome of manhood. Did not want to believe this of him but why? It’s his life and he has to do what he feels is right. It’s not up to us to judge or even understand. I am sure as a father he wants to make this as easy as possible for his children. Honestly though he has no control over how they deal with it or if they understand at all. I feel for all of them and I am no fan of the Kardashians in any way, shape or form.
I know everyone is so surprised at how old Bruce is for this decision, but I think I get it. He wanted to skip menopause.
Smart move.
I hope he is happy and I wish him the best.
I hope you were trying to be funny, because even if he did have gender re-assignment surgery in his 30’s he still WOULDN’T have a uterus.
Oh, really???!!!?
Wow…..had no idea.
Thanks.
LOL.
You are correct but actually menopause is more dependent on the ovaries than the uterus.
And PMS
I switched to E! while reading this and caught the last few minutes of the show. The reason Chloe is hurt is that this is a long drawn out process and Bruce is several surgeries in and apparently did not disclose anything to the family until the E! Exploitation episode.
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 6:49 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I think his comment re “My main concern is about Kendall and Kylie” is not based on them being his blood. It’s because they are the youngest and still at that vulnerable age (eg. 17 and 19 yrs old). Everyone else, including his own blood kids with his previous wives are *adults* and are in a place in life where they have significant life experience and should be expected to handle things in a more mature and adult way. I don’t think it was a diss at Khloe at all, and I think Kris manipulatively edited it to make the comment sound more controversial… ie probably clipping out the rest of the dialogue where he explains “because they’re still so young.” Bruce always said that he wanted to wait to bring out ‘HER’ until his kids were grown, so likely – even though they are in their late teens, he probably still feels more concerned about the impact on them vs the Kardashian girls, or Brody and Brandon, and Burt and Casey.
If Kris is against Bruce doing his own show, I’m sure it has to do with it being a direct competitor for her own (ie. involving the same ‘cast’ of kids) and likely being wayyyy more popular than the tired Keeping Up with the K’s show and it’s various spinoffs. She knows the ratings that the Barbara Walters interview brought in and is worried that Bruce’s piece of the pie is going to eat into her own. Go Bruce!
He was interviewed by Dianne Sawyer, not Barbara Walters.
How hilarious that the Kardashians are scared Bruce will embarass them or tarnish their brand. Bruce is a class act, kind and a sympathetic person so he was well received. They should worry more about a tyga/kylie underage sex tape. Alledgedly.
Although they should be worried about the alleged Tyga/Kylie sex tape, they probably aren’t. After all, it was Kim’s sex tape that put them on the map in the first place.
Not everything needs to be public. He/she really needs to examine the why of putting it on an edited show, of any sort. There are plenty of people who live in all kinds of communities that never put it out there for media display. I can only assume they are the better for it, even if they did not get the public accolades Bruce thinks he may receive. My grandfather was an attorney in a small town, and we were told many stories. In that era, all of these clients lived the life they wanted, even though it was not the traditional American vision. It makes me think Bruce would realize his dream with little drama, if he stepped away from the camera.
He’s putting it on a show because he has paparazzi following him EVERYWHERE. He has NO PRIVACY. The media has been talking about this since his tracheal shave (which by the way I was blasted for saying there is no other reason to get one other than transitioning ..there is not) Is he not allowed to explain his side? He is just supposed to sit back and allow others to judge and not use the platform to teach?
Why do you want to silence Bruce?
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I don’t want to silence him at all. However, I think he would have more freedom if he stayed off of PCH, and didn’t seek out a reality type show. An interview with Diane Sawyer is a lot different than what is brewing. People are going to blast him regardless. Further, “educating” us is not his/her job; if an E TV type show would provide genuine edification, then let’s do it. But, let’s be real: it’s the lowest form of television next to steroid wrestling. The few people I know in similar circumstances appear at peace by just going about their business. We aren’t entitled to the details, and I don’t think it will help him in the final analysis.
He needs to have his own voice, instead of tabloid reports that are inaccurate or demeaning. Not to mention the awful things Kris Jenner used to say about him. I’m glad he’s finally speaking out. Good for him!
Besides, I’d rather watch a show about someone’s gender transition than a show about someone’s big butt.
I absolutely think Bruce should do her show. I was surprised they showed the daughters negative reactions on kuwtk Bruce special, rather than have it be all puppies and rainbows. But then I thought more and figured it was Kris sticking in the boot. The K women have complete creative control – hence the depiction of the poor big ooga booga dum dum Kim married that time having his season air after the divorce and they trashed his character. My concern that appears to be going unanswered is – has bruce been transitioning for 5+ years secretly – or is she circumventing gender reassignment surgery guidelines with $$$?
I don’t think this is true. It’s a rumor to generate even more buzz for the show Bc that’s how the Kardashians roll. They make up shit to get folks talking and watching.
Wait, did you say I was too old for a wet T-shirt contest? I seriously have to cross that off the bucket list??? Damn. I have some monster tatas these days.
As for Bruce – be you, do you, doubters be damned!
I could maybe win one if there were such a thing as nude duct tape. Someone could make a fortune off that.
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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There is nude duct tape! You could even have a fake chest plate with any size boobies you want!
I absolutely support Bruce doing the show. I think it will be a great source of support and education for people wanting to transition/having those feelings and family/friends.
I have an uncle that transitioned about 10 years ago and I learned more from Bruce’s interview with Diane Sawyer then I had ever realized previously. A lot of questions I had in my mind were answered that I had not been comfortable asking. I have always been close to her and now it has opened up an entire new dialogue between us. TeamBruce!!!
It is obvious to me that the Kardashians do not want bruce stealing the spot light or making any money without them getting a huge cut of it. They know he can take their spotlight AND make gobs of money without them right now.
I also think Kim K is being “supportive” as a PR move…….like everything else she does.
#teambruce!
Mrs. Smith, I agree with your “spotlight” comment. It’s Bruce’s life, money, time, stuff. His kids will always love him, no matter what. You don’t have to agree or like it….so tough shit on you! No one gets to dictate another’s life choices.
I agree with everything you’ve said. Kris is only worried about losing money.
Kim knows exactly what she is doing. She is not a nice person.
If Bruce wants to do the series, he should do the series. Fuck those “K” bitches if they don’t support it.
If the series is done well and with dignity, rather than trashily and exploitatively (although it is E!, I have hope) it could serve to be highly educational and enlightening; a watershed event in Transgender awareness. So many people could be helped, and the series could be worth doing for that reason alone.
As far as his children go, they are all adults who are living their own lives. (I know the youngest is just 17, but she is also out of school, working, and lives independently in her own multi-million-dollar house. One can’t argue on the one hand that she can do those things while on the other hand say, “she’s still just a child”. She can’t have it both ways.)
I strongly disagree with that ignorant cunt Wendy Williams, who said, “Shame on you, Bruce Jenner!” because he has children. According to her, if you have kids, you are not allowed to change or evolve from the person you were when those kids were conceived. Never mind the fact that they are all living their own seperate lives with (in some cases) their own children.
It’s not as if he is dying. He is still going to be the same person inside, still their father, still there to guide and support them.
I suspect they will guilt him into not doing it even though he should.
The Kardashian’s are trash. I’m sorry, but they are. I bet this episode was filmed after Bruce’s interview. Kris Jenner put it out there that he was wearing panties when they seperated. She’s the devil.
you would lose the bet. It was filmed BEFORE the diane sawyer interview.
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Fuck the Kartrashian’s. Bruce should do whatever TF he wants to, and who gives a fuck what Kris Jenner (pimp mama Kris) has to say about it. She’s just pissed cause she won’t get her 10%
Kailie’s (sp?) reaction to finding lipsticks and women articles and thinking Bruce was having an affair as a young kid was devastating to hear. She was angry and confused. This is the kind of stuff people need to hear to help with their own confusion but also unfortunately can be used to argue that this type of secret is unhealthy for the families..
I do appreciate the special. some claim its scripted others claim the kardashians suck all the seriousness from it. I think there were some raw moments that can really be coping moments for other families. Hopefully it helps this community.
Speaking of which, the Kardashian brand can be very money driven, of course, so this could compete for ratings if branched to Bruce’s own gig. The executive producers included was Bruce and Kris Jenner and the 3 Kardashian sisters were also in the producer credits for this Bruce special. We can’t be completely naive and believe a lot of the conversations weren’t prompted.
It was still great to see the dialogue continued on the matter, especially since this was feed before the Sawyer interview. The time rewind actually gave the interviews a little more edge because by now, the family has had more time to let the transition simmer in the public forum. This still had good emotional moments.
Bruce should do whatever Bruce wants to do. He did everything for others all his life. He’s at the end of his life and he should enjoy every damn second and wear whatever gown or Fingernail polish or fake weave or damn pair of panties that he wants! They have fabulous lives and they should keep their damned pampered selfish assholes clamped shut! Along with their pie holes and whatever other holes that need to be sealed! I’m happy for that Man who finally gets to do it, his way. Its not my life nor my journey…and not my say so. Bruce I hope the remainder of your life is Fabulous darling! Xoxox!
One more thing, and I realize I will get blasted: but all of those nasty K people are entitled to their anger/resentment/transitioning as well. Are you telling me, that even if you married a guy who disclosed that he liked wearing women’s clothing, you would then somehow be automatically OK, with a gender change? And parents? Come on, I get upset if my mother moves the furniture in the family home, or Dad goes on his own vacations. Why? Because your center, your normal has changed. The very center your parents taught you. So while I loathe all things K related, especially the Cruella DeVile of the pack, I get their reactions, and they should be entitled to them, as long as it takes. if we are all about no judging, then they get time ( even if it is years) to process. The End.
If Kris had treated Bruce with even a tiny bit of respect and dignity while they were married, maybe he would have opened up sooner. But, no. Kris and Kim would either make fun of him, or worse, ignore him. He even left for a few days (according to their show), and no one noticed.
Kris treated him like crap. He owes her nothing.
I just wish that whatever kept Bruce from doing this years & years ago, hadn’t deterred him. Lack of courage? Shame? Wanting more children? To have hidden who he really was for so long, had to be as painful as the taunts now. He deserves peace, happiness, and to be the woman she should have been born as.
Why did Kris call him a liar during her part of the show? He told his first two wives,, so I am assuming he also told Kris. Why is she boo-hooing? This isn’t new news to her. She is so false.
I believe Bruce said in the interview with Diane that he “was a good 36B” when he met Kris because he was taking hormones at that time. How could she not have noticed that?
I believe kris said she never knew it was his intention to fully transition, and that was the deception. Seems like a little bit of denial there on both sides. For all of her flaws, I did feel for kris last night. Everyone is blasting her, but that’s got to hurt deep.
I just saw a clip of this show. Kris, with her mascara streaked down her cheeks. No attempt to wipe away tears. What a drama queen. I’m not buying the act.
Aww c’mon.. It was kinda sad & believable! I refuse to believe I am my age and also naive
Damage the Kardashian brand? The one that began with a sex tape?
Kris is pissed, because this is not about her, for once. The smartest thing Bruce ever did was unloading that bitch. Now, he is free to be whoever he wants to be. She no longer has control.
As for his age, I see no problem with it. I know this doesn’t compare in scale, but I’m about to turn 60, and am finally ready to change my name, legally. Why not?
I never had any respect for Kris Jenner,
But, this has to be very difficult for her and it was good to see her and his kids express real emotions which are totally valid. She must be questioning so many memories, and be wondering who was making love to her all those years. I can’t help but wonder if some small percentage of all this is due to all of them altering their bodies and faces and an addiction to what they consider to be. They all must spend hours getting ready in the morning, with the exception of Kendall who has not remodeled herself, probably under strict orders from her manager. I do admire the entire clan for keeping their loce intact.
If I were in PMK’s situation, I don’t know how I would feel regarding the memories of making love. I can imagine that it would hurt. If my husband liked wearing women’s clothes, it would make my inquisitive mind race & I would ask any question that I thought. I may come off as brash or insensitive, but I wouldn’t leave myself with unanswered questions.
The K’s do not have open/honest conversations with family members. I hope they can bring in a counselor to help facilitate a productive conversation.
Who is PMK? Am I missing something or are you using a stupid nickname?
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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@TT:
PMK = Pimp Mama Kris. It’s commonly used on another blog whose name I won’t mention. So yes, stupid nickname.
So SOMEONE needs to read the commenting rules.
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 8:56 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I LOVE BRUCE
I do too! He just revealed her. OMG!! I saw her picture in Vanity Fair, WOW!
Sorry I am in shock!
I think the Kardashian brand is in a downward spiral. I feel like they will blame Bruce for this because they are in denial that people are tired of them. Bruce should do it because it will be awesome. What he is doing is so courageous & amazing. He is divorced, his kids are not kids anymore & he waited long enough for everybody else to do their thing.
I can’t wait for Armageddon to come, and get rid of all these disgusting beings.