This VERY overhyped Diane Sawyer interview with Bruce Jenner is two long hours. So I am going to post it in two parts so you can get to chatting about it early. This one should be up close to 10 p.m. and the second one close to 11 p.m. if all goes according to plan.
Bruce and Diane meet for the very first time at Bruce’s Malibu house. Bruce seems nervous and emotional, even a little teary-eyed. This takes a lot of guts and even this Olympic hero seems to be struggling to hold it together. As he sits on the sofa, he grabs a box of tissue and one has already been pulled into his right hand as he struggles to maintain his composure.
“Are you ready?” Diane asks.
Bruce says, “Diane, let’s do it.” He smiles and says You know what?” Very long pause as he pulls himself together. And then. ” It’s gonna be tough. I’ve been thinking about this day forever. And what I should do with my life, how I should tell my story… how do I tell people what I have been through…and that day is today. I need the tissues..” He is no longer able to hold back the tears. We are two minutes in and it is already heartbreaking and riveting.
He is ready to get started and then becomes very animated. “Wait!” he says, ” One thing that is very important. We have to keep our sense of humor about this. Okay? Honestly, it’s really pretty funny. Me! Of all people! (air quotes) Bruce Jenner has to deal with these issues. ”
“I would say I have always been confused about my gender since I was this big.” He says. He says he hates the term girl stuck in a guys body. He is who he is. His brain is much more female than male. His soul is female. He says he can’t lie about who he is anymore. He takes his hair down literally. Diane asks if he is a woman and says yes. He lets us know right now he still has all his male parts. But at his core he is a female.
They show all his Olympic glory winning the decathlon. He’s so macho. His competitors are literally falling out of the competition writing in pain. Bruce take a victory lap and looks like he could do it all over again. He smiles and waves as he is crowned the worlds greatest athlete. He says at that time he was very confused and scared. Diane does not say the word Kardashian at all. She calls it “that reality show.”
Bruce has a lovely blowout. Diane talks about all the SNL jokes and insults. She asked if they were part of getting ready for this moment. He says his entire life has been getting him ready for this moment. Bruce said he wants to give voice to other people with gender identity issues. He wants something positive to come out of his struggles. Diane says this is the last interview he will do as Bruce. He hopes to reinvent himself as “her.” I do not believe he gives her a name yet. I just hope it doesn’t start with a K. He wants to reemerge as his true self.
Bruce goes back to his hometown of Tarrytown, New York for the first time in 10 years. His dad was a tree surgeon, his mother raised four boys. In Bruce was 9 he had an urge to wear a dress. He used to sneak in to his mother’s closet and trying on dress. He says he had no idea why he was doing it. He just knew it made him feel good. One day he snuck out with in a dress with a scarf covering his head. Bruce said he was a very lonely little boy. He is still a lonely big boy. He doesn’t socialize a lot because he doesn’t fit in.
Bruce has never been attracted to men. He has always been attracted to women. He excelled at all sports. He was trying to prove his masculinity to himself.
They talk about his first marriage to his college sweetheart. She was the first person to know. About a year into their marriage he admitted to cross-dressing. She was understanding and kept his secret. They have two kids and he got restless at about seven years. He ended up with Linda Thompson. Diane is very confused that he is not attracted to men. Bruce married Linda and eventually Bruce told her about his gender issues. They went to therapy and it eventually destroyed the marriage.
After the divorce Bruce, who was 40 began to take steps to transition. He went on female hormones. He says right away the intense feelings of fear began to subside. He took hormones for five years. He underwent plastic surgery. He had his facial hair removed by electrolysis. He confessed his feelings to his sister. She was shocked. They never talked about it again for more than 30 years. Bruce’s mother blames herself.
Diane asks if he dreams as a woman. He says yes he does, he always has. That is fascinating.
But in the 80s Bruce chickened out. He stopped the hormones. He didn’t want to embarrass his family. He has spiritual conflicts. But he would still go out dressed as a woman in places he didn’t think he would be recognized.
Diane said, “The whole time you did that show, you had a secret.” Bruce smiles and says, “I had the story.”
When Bruce met Kris he had a solid 36B set of boobs. He told her that sometimes he liked to dress as a woman, but he kind of downplayed it. Kris has seen Bruce cross dressing. They never went to therapy. It is incredible that Diane has never mentioned the word ‘Kardashian.’ Bruce really tried to make it work. Sixteen years in the marriage the reality show began. Diane brings up how on the show he is…and Bruce finishes, “the punching bag.” They show clips from the show of Kris and others picking on Bruce. Bruce says he loved Kris. He had a wonderful life with her. My god! Think of all the dresses in her closet he could try on! Bruce says he learned a lot from her. He thought they had a good sex life despite what Kris says about it now.
Bruce could not deal with the idea that he was in his sixties and could die never living a single day as his true self. He says that Kris is a bit angry with him. It is not what she expected. Kris was very shaken by his decisions. He says Kris is a good woman and she has nothing negative to say about her. Bruce says that if she had been really good with it and accepted it, they would probably still be together.
When Bruce moved to Malibu he was finally able to entertain a small group of friends who understood him and he was able to have girl parties and dress as a woman. But soon the paparazzi began to taunt him and put a GPS on his car. Bruce said the worst thing to happen is when he went to get his tracheal shave . Someone leaked the appointment and the paparazzi were there. It was at that point he knew that it was over. Everyone knew. He contemplated suicide that night. He says he could not do it. He wanted to know how the story would end.
ABC reached out to all three wives. The first two gave loving statements of support. Kris Jenner had no comment.
Part two of this interview in about an hour. PART TWO IS UP!
He seems a little too glib to me. But that may be because his eyes blink differently from each other. I don’t find this very compelling. More delusional.
Did you just publically admit to watching this?
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I actually did! I think it’s lovely that Bruce, pretty much the definition of white male privilege, gets to indulge himself. 🙂
I completely believe in live and let live but what pissed me off about Bruce is he is preaching tolerance and acceptance as long as you’re not overweight and out of shape. Then it’s OK to laugh at someone and say you’ve won. Asshole! …or I guess now it’s Bitch!
I missed Bruce’s comment but I heard about it — my husband who’s a former athlete himself thought that was a really dickhead comment. I did see later though when the Russian athlete had positive, encouraging words for Bruce & he still was kind of a dickhead. Guess when you’re praised for so long, by so many – there’s a tendency for it to go to your head. I realize he’s got a sense of humor but when giving an interview when your hoping others will be sensitive towards your plight – being sensitive in return is typically the best route.
I agree, but that is because we are fat.
Fat people and smokers are the last people it is okay to mock…
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 12:30 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I went to my niece’s 4th birthday party today & I was surrounded by pregnant women. Everyone was so nice because they all thought I was pregnant instead of thinking I was the fat fuck. It was great! >
Maybe the LGBTQQESRHEISIND community could add an F and an S? maybe two Ss for the straight folk
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 4:37 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
> I agree, but that is because we are fat. > > > Fat people and smokers are the last people it is okay to mock… > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 12:30 AM, Tamara Tattles [email protected]> wrote: > >>
That’s what you got out of it. Nice.
White male privilege? Did you actually watch the entire program? Do you know how incredibly difficult it was for him to be in a position to win the gold in ’76??
For real. And any one with an ounce of compassion could probably see the humor in the way he joked about the guy being fat. Happy to elaborate, but people often are dead set on these things.
He seems like a lovely person. Very interesting interview.
I swoon over his son Brandon. Sigh.
Bruce does produce beautiful children. The boys are dashing.
Agree, agree, agree.
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I’m so PROUD OF BRUCE! This is by far the most hearty wrenching Interview I’ve watched in a very long time. KJ should be ashamed of herself for the way she’s acted, I truly hope that Bruce can be all he can be and Start Living Himself For Who”She’s” about to become. No more punching bag for the game Seeking B###h she’s been. Shame on KJ. Good For You Bruce, enjoy the rest of your life, the way it should of been from the beginning. JMO
Wow. Such courage. Good for him. I wish him well.
TT, thanks for the speedy recap. I really wanted to see this, but I’m in TV limbo at the moment. Thanks again! You are the best!
I really don’t know what to say, on one hand at his age the question is why? On the other hand at his age why not? As long as he’s happy and his family is happy thats what matters, it doesn’t affect me so I will not pass judgment.
It’s 7:30pm, west coast.
Sun is fading, going for walk.
BBL later to join the talk
Well, please keep us posted.
This explains a lot and seems logical. But it doesn’t excuse him from being an absent parent to pretty much all of his children.
When I was a foster parent I had a little girl for 3 yrs. who’s father is transgender. She had lived all her life with her mom. When she was taken away they found her dad. When asked why he was in and out of her life he explained that he was so conflicted, suicidal, and confused most of his life that he felt it was better for her if he was not there. It was not until he accepted himself as a woman that all that ended. She was able to go and live with her dad. He fully transitioned to a woman as she lives today. It has been 9 1/2 yrs since she went to live with her dad. Now that dad is in a good place and living as the woman she always knew she was, she has also been able to become the parent she always wanted to be also.
WTF? He is not even CLOSE to being an absent father.
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 10:41 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I think Twilly meant all of his non-Kardashian children. Unless that was just a storyline for “that show”. >
His own children have accused him of being absent. And he hasn’t stepped in to keep the youngest 2 from dropping out of school or dating much older men when they are minors.
If you think Bruce is an absentee father, clearly you haven’t met my ex-husband or else you live in a Norman Rockwell painting.
I found this interview riveting. Good for Bruce/her. Better late than never. I hope she finds her true joy & so very glad he has support of the kids.
Twilly, it appears from how you said that, you are connecting two unrelated issues.
I may be wrong, but I don’t think your comment actually considered that there is a possible link (as one commenter pointed out). I feel like that was an uncalled for dig.
And he seemed like a great dad.
I wonder if Diane Sawyer avoided using the Kardashian name because of Kris’s attitude towards this confession? If Kris is given a reason to sue, would she?
The network could have made the decision to not say the Kardashisn name to avoid lawsuits.
Why do they need to say Kardashian? Bruce is not a Kardashian. People are sick of hearing that name anyways. This interview is not about the kardashians it is about Bruce JENNER. This is his personal story and for once he should be able to do something without it becoming about the Kardashians. I think it was a wise choice to leave them out of this entirely.
I know what the interview is about.
It seemed as if Diane was making point by not saying the name of a show Bruce was a part of.
For me it was a legitimate thought.
I so agree. Without that family they excluded him out of a lot of things. That woman even down to the show you use to see his and her name as executive producer but then you just saw her name only.
Bruce has always been left out on the show. I thought in the few episodes I had seen that he was just playing the role of goofy old dad while the girls played. But he has said on several clips on “that show” that he felt left out.
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 11:38 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Or because maybe he requested the name not be used because this is his journey. The family has been supportive, I doubt they said he couldn’t use their name. I’m sure it had more to do with him wanted it to be a separate story since E! is documenting the actual process. They have the rights to it so I don’t know why the name Kardashian can’t be spoken. That sounds more like either his request or Diane’s personal choice. There doesn’t have to be a conspiracy. I find it refreshing.
Bruce said the name Kardashian once or twice. I am regretting mentioning this at all because that seems to be all of what most people are feeling comfortable enough to discuss.
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 11:50 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Because the show they referenced ten billion times is called “Keeping Up With The Kardashians.” Never say it once only “that reality show.” I thought it was hysterical. You could tell Diane was being dismissive about it.
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 11:19 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Not mentioning Kardashians was a smart move – didn’t open the can with publicity and promotion of their show.
How terrible to have to live your life and not be allowed to be the person you really are. I believe people with transgender issues have a real birth defect..some how got the wrong equipment and hormones.
I knew it was coming but I’m still a little surprised (I can’t explain it). Hopefully this makes things easier & more acceptable for all trans people.
The only question I had was answered (not that it is any of my business). Bruce is a lesbian. Curiosity satisfied. I hope Bruce can be happy now.
Not what one would imagine but yeah, Bruce is a lesbian I guess.
Statistically speaking it must have to happen every so often. If around 5% of the community is gay, then maybe 5% of the transgender community is gay too.
It’s a strange concept but I get it. Has she even really thought that far? I’m sad that there is no more Bruce Jenner. But “She” just needs to be!
I’m weirdly excited over what name she chooses. I always wished I could change my boring, plain, mispelt name.
I’d love to be a Cody, Chesdon, Camden or something else. Micheal is soooo boring.
So glad to know I’m not the only one curious about her new name! I know it’s silly when there are important issues we could be discussing but… It’s exciting. I wonder if she already knows her name & has been calling herself that privately for years or if she waited til she transitioned to actually think about it. >
Oh she knows.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 12:42 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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The only Transgender person I know irl didn’t change sexual orientation until after gender reassignment and she also went from male to female. Bruce was kinda vague on the subject I thought by describing herself as an asexual, but we’ll see. Maybe she wants to keep some things private which is totally understandable. I was just happy to see Bruce/Her happy. It’s about time!
Bruce could not have been any less vague. He said eleventy billion times he is not attracted to men, has never been with a man, and is not interested in being with a man.
THen Diane Sawyer asked, So do you see “her” getting married and if so would it be to a woman?
He tried once again to explain it and then said, You know what Diane, I’m 65 years old (and my dick might not even work anymore) I’m not trying to have a lot of sex. There is a lot more going on. Let’s just say asexual (with the loudest unspoken comment ever of “SO YOU WILL JUST STOP ASKING ME ABOUT MY SEXUAL ORIENTATION EVERY FIVE MINUTES BECAUSE IT’S SORT OF IRRELEVANT.”)
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 11:50 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I’ve heard (on the streets) that some transgender people change their orientation after they start taking hormones & some don’t. We have a woman in my town who is still married to the wife she married years before she transitioned. She’s also a local fire chief & all-around awesome person. She still gets some negative attention but for the most part she’s expanded a lot of people’s views on transgender people. I think it’s one of the bravest thing someone can do. >
Oh God, not Cody!
I think a lesbian with a dick might be exactly what I am looking for.
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Hey they exist. You just need to look harder ;). Or you could just get into pegging.
@ TT Hell if there were women with real dicks out there would there really be a need for men? Well other than to change the tire or kill something?
Amy Schumer interviewed a girl with a peen on her last episode. She was Very girly though. Would you prefer someone more butch?
I don’t care. I just don’t want them to be an asshole. I suppose it would be nice if they could actually fix things that break and take the trash out though.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 12:40 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Haha Michael, sexually speaking I prefer them to be male. I was kidding. Can you imagine a world of only women all having pms at the same time?
Knowing what I do from the transgender community from my fiance who is transgender, as of right now he is straight because he still is using male pronouns and is still in the transitioning phase…but yes, he will eventually be a “lesbian”. In the transgender community though, it is difficult to determine sexuality. I know a lot classify themselves as pansexual.
When Micheal pointed out that you could be transgender and still homosexual, it did click in my mind. I just never thought about it before but it makes sense. How about we all classify ourselves as compassionate, caring, humans and enjoy people for themselves? Thanks for helping me understand.
It is so complicated. Imagine what it is like when you are allocated the task of making the seating arrangements for the monthly local LGBTQetc meeting. Believe me, it is a bitch to keep everyone happy.
Strangest part of the interview was Bruce saying he’s not a lesbian & referring to himself as “heterosexual”. He enjoys sex with women but wants to be a women himself! If he truly plans on fully transitioning (the whole shebang) there’s a good possibility he will no longer be enjoying sex — after it’s a logical assumption he’s enjoying sex with his penis. What am I missing?! I walked away feeling Bruce is more confused than I am.
[I’m going over to read TT’s part 2 – maybe this is discussed there.]
I was confused as well.
I agree @ addie2u ! I’m sorry but I don’t get him at all ! He also said Kris made him alot of money .
He explained clearly that he was never attracted to men. I think he called HIMself heterosexual. I believe he is going slowly and not putting labels on HER just yet.
You’re right, he clearly referred to himself as heterosexual only preferring women but what threw me off was him saying (a few times) how he loves sex with women. Later in the interview when he referred to himself as A-sexual, it pretty much answered my question — but if he does go through with the “removal surgery” he may be truly disappointed / remorseful. The way he was talking, sex is over after a certain age — maybe with Kris J. but if it’s something he enjoys, why give it up?!
Didn’t he not have an answer for that question, though?
I mean about “being a lesbian”.
This whole thing made me cry and I’m sure part if the terms of the Interview was that the word “Kardashian” could not be mentioned. They were not a part of this and I don’t think they wanted it to air at all. I am SO glad that Bruce did this. He really made people connect with transgendered people who didn’t before out of confusion or ignorance
I feel that this interview sort of cheapens the whole transition story. Why did Bruce not tell his story when rumors started, especially after the feminizing facial surgery, growing out his hair, the divorce and the tracheal shave??? And saying how he wanted to kill himself after the tracheal shave surgery photos leaked made me feel like he was ashamed and embarrassed about his transition. Good lord, if someone decides to make such a huge step, just publicly announce it and not wait years and have rumors swirling all over the place. Or was he just shopping the best price for an interview? I back him 100% and wish him the best. I’m the same age and understand his reluctance YEARS ago. But now thankfully, the world is a lot more accepting. I just wish he hadn’t waited so long to publicly confirm his transition. I have personal experience with a niece who transitioned to a nephew. He announced his decision and pursued his goal even though very religious mom and brothers disowned him. Years later mom has come around and even attended his wedding. Average folks like this show bravery and conviction without being in the public eye like Bruce, where average folks maybe look up to him as an example. So Bruce, do you feel like you’ve been good example?
I’m glad for your nephew and it sounds like he has an great support system in place, now which is awesome. However that doesn’t mean what Brhce did tonight was wrong. Maybe he had legal or contractual obligations? Maybe he just wasn’t ready. There was a reason he cancelled a few times to begin with. I’m glad Bruce shared his story and I look forward to seeing what the future holds for her.
Didn’t say it was And I wrong JustJenn. And I applaud her for doing the interview but just wish she’d have been more open sooner. It’s not like it was a surprise. His reluctance/shame/embarrassment bugged me.
Next time I’m sure Bruce will call you to check if you are ‘bugged’ with whatever name she chooses, or if her butt looks big in that dress. Surely you appreciate the absurdity.
That was a bit of a harsh post. Why does she have to focus on setting a good example? Can’t she be selfish and transition the easiest way possible, on her terms? I forgot that with celebrity culture comes this ‘ownership’ of people’s private lives. Even reality stars can have some privacy on certain issues.
I also doubt Bruce was shopping the interview around considering he is already very rich.
Just my opinion
Thankfully.
Jesus. This is you being accepting of his transition choices and wishing him well? I’d hate to see what you would write if you were a giant cunt satchel about it. He’s allowed to disclose to the public what he wants whenever he wants or not. It’s not up to you what he does.
And not understanding his lowest moment was when people knew for sure because of the tracheal shave is and complaining about his suicidal thoughts that might be bad for others or whatever your fucked up point was is a bit horrifying.
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 11:20 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Yes, it is my fucked up thinking and my fucked up opinion and I own it. I’m bipolar and in the middle of a deep deep depression. Hmmn…maybe that is affecting my thinking. Last time I had this kind of fucked up thinking it was helped by ten rounds of ECT. But you know, I thought this was a place where I could express my opinion. Not trying to tell others what to think just what I think.
And we are expressing our opinions on yours. It’s ludicrous. If you had not tried so hard to couch your horrific comments in the cloak being “understanding” and claiming to know a transsexual before ripping apart an interview where someone was doing a very difficult thing, it probably would have just been written off as a close-minded individual who doesn’t get it. But your list of demands and belittling of all things his suicidal ideations was pretty vile.
That’s my opinion.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 12:16 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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It’s puzzling why anyone thinks my opinions were demands. He can do whatever the fuck he wants. Why is it so vile to feel he could have left the suicidal feelings out of the interview…like it was so shameful and embarassing. I’ve had many deep and soulful conversations with my son after he came out to me as gay. He knows I love him and support him. He thanks me for being understanding, supportive and open-minded. If criticizing Bruce is so vile to you, all I can say to you all again is, that’s my opinion.
Do shut up. I expected a lot of stupid comments here. And so far, it’s just you.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 12:47 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I’m actually honored to be insulted by you.
Sorry for replying here but couldn’t figure out where to reply to above comment^^^
“Lesbian with a dick” lmao– think that’s what I may need to look for as well!
I am amazed. This had to be a hard decision. Bruce has been the butt of cruel jokes for years. It’s easy for me to see why he waited….and I’m straight. Why does anyone have to announce their decision on someone else’s timeline? That makes no sense.
Maybe because he has a family and it’s not just about him and is terrorized by the papparazzi and in one instance has to come out to not just close family and friends who love him but the entire world? And I believe I saw you mention you were in a deep depression and I truly hope you find your way out of it. But why are you able to publicly share such information and he is not able to share his moment of suicidal ideation? I am glad he shared it and I hope whoever exposed his operation appointment deservedly feels like a total piece of shit.
I’m not being interviewed by Diane Sawyer. He is sending messages to many.
It breaks my heart that Bruce felt suicidal and I hope that’s behind him. Even though it’s hard for me to ever envision him as anyone other than Bruce Jenner, Olympic champion, I applaud his courage coming out as a transgender. I hope his family stays supportive and he can live out his golden years being at peace with himself.
@mixedupchile, sorry to hear your feeling depressed. Hope you get to feeling better soon. XO
I understand what you’re saying, but your nephew didn’t live his life under a microscope. I wonder if Kris deciding to throw her family on national TV in a reality show gave Bruce a major panic attack?
Why does he have to tell you (and the world) about a struggle he has not even Bern comfortable with when you become aware that maybe something is going on. For real???
“Good lord, if someone decides to make such a huge step, just publicly announce it and not wait years and have rumors swirling all over the place.”
HUGE STEP: your words.
Oh, I could go on, but what an ignorant thing to say, completely lacking empathy or any success hearing him speak of his own journey.
He had many concerns. Yeah, in theory they may be accepting, but did you hear him say that his children (some) feared they were losing their dad? The list goes on. This is not something you decide when it’s appropriate (if ever) to share. He happened to be famous worldwide. Doesn’t give you access to his minder struggles.
Maybe you should go around asking people to announce, oh, you know, whatever you feel entitled to know, on your timeline. That sounds totally legit.
Mixedupchile: I’m glad other people are calling you out on the ignorant and self-centered opinions you voiced. You know what? I’ve decided that you shouldn’t have said you’re bipolar. I just feel entitled to demand you share info on my timeline.
Then you don’t have to be apologetic about your opinions, but if you have every response say basically that you’re being totally ignorant, your best response is you’re honored TT is disgusted by you? And that your nephew, who is exactly like all other transgender people on the planet, vouchers for your Mother Teresa-like acceptance, and that, oh, maybe your bipolar is the one saying Bruce should’ve been more considerate of you… Really? Did you for one second think about what others said and maybe see how they might have a point? You still get your opinion, but we get to reflect on it–more consideration than you gave anyone else here.
You are definitely a mixedupchile. With no shame.
Kris would have wanted to profit off the story. She’s furious he didn’t charge people magazine millions for the exclusive. lol (allegedly)
They probably got divorced because of it!! Bruce said he was the only one on that reality show with a “real story”. I hope he finds happiness.
Wow. Very informative I guess. Still trying to understand the sexuality aspect. I feel bad for the wives.
Why?
On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 12:03 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Because they all lost an amazing human being as a partner, obviously.
Surely no one but a monster would sympathize with an exwife who feels shame over the situation…surely not.
Some trans people feel so much shame that, in an attempt to “fit the mold”, hide their true selves from their spouses. I think there’s room to applaud people being who they truly are AND feeling sympathy for spouses who fell in love with a mirage. >
I am very emotional after watching this. Being gay allows me to relate to Bruce on many levels: knowing at a young age that I was different; instinctively knowing that I had to keep it a secret; not being my true self well into adulthood. I still don’t think I am my true self, and I can empathize with Bruce’s sadness, turmoil, & struggles.
My personal life struggles have to do with the fact that I am gay. I was 10 years old in 1976 when I watched Bruce win all that gold in the Olympics. Puberty was knocking at my door, and Bruce Jenner was one of my earliest memories of realizing that I was sexually attracted to men, and what a handsome manly man he was too. He was fucking hot! My attraction to him set the tone for type of man I find attractive. #Irony is a bitch.
As a young boy in the 1970’s Bruce Jenner was my hero.
Now in 2015, SHE is still a hero to me.
You can’t spell hero without “Her”.
I was waiting to read your comment. Now you made me all emosh. It isn’t as hard as it used to be, but there are many situations in life where I still feel like I have to minimise or hide that aspect of my life too. It sucks.
Yes, thanks for sharing UF. Your words were really touching & definitely add to this conversation. >
Urethra, I just love you….plain and simple….the way life should be! Thank you Hero!!!!!!!
Wow UF,
your words touched me deeply.
Thank you for sharing.
All these “heroes” on tv (plain old ball players with millions) have absolutely NOTHING on you, Uretha! You said it all, and I agree.
xoxoxoxoox
On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 12:20 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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UF- you made me all emosh, too. Hugs to you, my friend.
UF, like TeeTee said, I too love you plain and simple. I am sorry that you and Bruce Jenner have had to suffer through sadness, turmoil and struggles in your life. Unlike Bruce who has finally been able to be honest with the world, I’m sorry that you don’t have that freedom. Know that you have my support as your friend and I thought he was hot as well. Lol.
Thanks Hannah.
All this nostalgia about crushing hard for Bruce back in the day reminds me of the other hot guys of the mid 70’s era: Lee Majors, Burt Reynolds, Andy Gibb, Robert Redford, John Travolta, and anyone else that was hairy chested. I think my hairy chest fetish is all Bruce Jenner’s fault…. And to think that he hated that about himself. What a mind fuck this is for me.
I’m saving my Andy Gibb story for one day over drinks with you, UF.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 2:32 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Good evening, Hannah!
How is the Chief? Was he surprised that he had support on this blog?
Michael, you ‘re an exceptional individual and am glad that you won that particular battle and can be a role model. Too many young adults never find that love and acceptance, even in their own family. Between the hormones, bullies, and no knowing how to process their feelings, many don’t make it to the other side and end their life to keep from embarrassing their family.
TT, it’s storming here Again! Poor maters-gonna drown out their! please pray that none of these giant oaks come down on my house again tonight! Have you seen the stories about a little boy and his old friend that lived next door? They bonded over maters, It is a wonderful friendship, all thanks to maters!
You are certainly adored here UF. Mwah!
@joanie thank you. Both my husband an I were pleasantly surprised at all the support we received when I announced that he had been made Chief of Police. It’s great to know that people can still support a police officer and his wife. People on this site are AWESOME.
Beautifully shared UF. Now go listen to Low and really let those emotions out. Hugs to you, enjoyed your words.
What a blessing you are UF.
I’m right there with you, UF. You and I are the same age, and Bruce also trained in my town, he was always a prominent figure as I grew up. I loved the interview yesterday, mostly because he seemed SO different than I’ve ever seen him. He was so relaxed and happy, so relieved and almost giddy with excitement. I could really relate, I remember that moment of realizing I was a lesbian and what a relief to have my whole life explained and knowing that now I was going to be able to find the happiness that was meant for me (and that feeling of “Fuck anyone who’s going to have a problem with this”).
There are some rumblings in the LGBT and Trans community that he should have just come out earlier, but he’s a really (macho) public figure, he has children who are in the very public eye, and our society is much further along now with trans issues than they were even one year ago. I think by letting the rumors swirl for awhile it helped acclimate everyone to the idea, and everyone is ready for the announcement now. I support him fully, but it was difficult for even me to really believe what was happening in the last years.
I just loved that he wants a sense of humor with the whole thing. It’s the only way to get through things like this. I don’t think having sex with either gender has anything to do with this, he just wants to be himself, and to be himself in front of everyone. No matter what happens now, I think he’s going to die a HAPPY person, and I am thrilled for him.
Someone in this thread must be cuttin onions….
❤️❤️❤️ to you UF…
Beautifully said, UF. Love you, always!
I did not see the show. And I am not a “member” of the gay community. But, I am “different”. I think anyone who finds themselves away from the norm would be touched by this story.
I was.
And THAT, UF, is I think why he chose to share. He (obviously) owed the world nothing. But he gave the us gift of an honest, informative, and courageous interview. And he gave people, like you, something you can relate to, and look to as, like you said, a hero.
Don’t forget, he never claimed to have it all figured out. He just couldn’t live his whole life never being a woman in so many senses he couldn’t or had to hide.
I learned a ton. I really believe I am an open and accepting person. I feel I am a more empathetic and understanding person after watching that.
I’m impressed with his candor and happy that his kids seem to be at peace with the process. I hope things get easier for him now. What I found frustrating is that it seemed like Diane Sawyer really just didn’t accept the whole gender is not sexuality answer.
I’m not sure she didn’t accept it. I’m actually kind of inclined to think that she went over it repeatedly thinking many viewers may struggle with the concept. That was my impression.
Well everything happens for a reason and the fact that he was dogged by the paparazzi, who “outed” his shaved trachea, led to his “public” liberation and being able to live his life as his true identity. He already was able to be his true self in a small social setting and very well could have transitioned in private and thumbed his nose at people clamoring to know his story; but it’s this celebrity specter he serves by giving this interview and giving the entitled public what they want–for a price course and deservedly so. Obviously, celebrities have no rights to privacy. Thanks for covering this TT, I’m definitely curious about his story and would buy the book.
Everyone was madly in love with Bruce Jenner back then, he was a spectacular male speciman to be sure. And you know, whatever to all this nitpicking. It’s his life and it’s his transition and it will be his road to travel; and I for one will just let him be who he wants to be and share what he wants to share when he wants to. I just thank the good Lord that he is finally rid of the Kardashian’s. Out of the possibly 2 times I’ve watched that show,I always liked him, loathed them.
Sort of saw him as the hapless Dagwood Bumsted of the whole thing. Poor Bruce, he was so nervous I felt like I needed to take a Xanax in solidarity, but he smoothed out, I think he dun good.
I admire Bruce for allowing this interview, I think it was perfect timing, his own time. This has to be very difficult for anyone, even harder when you are known around the world.
I watched an interview, must have been on Oprah, same situation, trans from male to female, complete with surgery. She continued to be attracted to woman, just as when she was he. She insisted emphatically that this did not mean she was a lesbian. I couldn’t get that part at all, neither could Oprah, she just quit asking more questions about that issue, it appeared to be a tender spot. I felt there must be some denial going on. Odd after all she had done to get to that point. I admit to having nothing but my perception to go by.
I wish that old goat, Bill Cosby, would man up to how he does or doesn’t wear his pants. He has taken advantage of a lot of women. They can’t come after him legally now. It is completely different than Bruce’s story, but came to mind as I was watching Bruce be, again, heroic. Cosby is an older famous man that many of us believe is hiding his truth. Like Bruce, he would have concerns about the love being lost by public. I think Bill’s family knows the truth, just as Bruce’s. We talk about and have feelings about what has been going on in the media with both men. Cosby is a coward, hiding behind ages old respect and piles of cash. He could redeem himself slightly to admit to his past, act contrite, and give us the old seeking help for my addiction or disease story. I’d still be pissed at him, but respect that he finally admitted something. He discusts me! Not an example of a real man, like Bruce!
I do believe Bruce will help future generations. I hope she has a very happy and contented life from this point, it will not all be easy I am sure. I hope photographers leave her alone, let her appear where and how she wants, don’t hound her. I know, that’s expecting too much.
Yeah, they’ll hound her, but it looks like she’s going to be too happy being herself to care. I have a feeling she’s going to embrace this with everything she’s got now that this interview is out of the way, and I’m pretty thrilled for her.
I’m not sure why one must put a label on his or her sexuality–ever. I do not see Bruce’s (or the woman on Oprah) reluctance to call themselves lesbians as denial. They have to sort things out on their own, in a way they understand, and they deserve language they prefer. When do we start referring to [Bruce’s new name] with female pronouns? When he says so. I think he’s not in denial simply because he doesn’t believe he is a lesbian. I think he is done denying his true self. Whether he calls himself lesbian or not is a non-issue at discount, in my opinion, and from Garcia gleaned, in his, too.
*from what I gleaned.
WTF, autocorret: Garcia?
For the record, I applaud Bruce for doing the interview. I did not “belittle” his suicidal feelings but maybe his decision to put that out there.. I did not like how he appeared on national tv to be shameful, embarrassed to have the world know his desire to transition. I felt this sent the wrong message to people struggling with their decision to transition. These are my feelings, okay? Now I’m gonna have a few glasses of wine and smoke a lot of cigarettes. Geez.
Yours is an opinion I’ve heard many times from people in the LGBTQIA community. ACT UP used to support forcing people out of the closet (especially celebrities) because visibility creates change. Now some people feel that way about the trans community. I don’t necessarily agree with what you wrote but I also don’t think you deserve all the negativity you got over your comment. Don’t beat yourself up over it. It’s just the internet. >
I was surprised at all the negativity also. But I hate the insinuations that I’m making up a transgender nephew or that I’m using that to cloak my feelings. That’s a reach. Thank you for disagreeing with me respectfully.
You are actually the only negative comment of the evening that I have read so far.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 1:30 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Okay, I’ll be the cunt satchel of the evening.
Not only should she not be embarrassed about her feelings about transition, she doesn’t need to be embarrassed about her suicidal thoughts, her sexuality, or the way she chooses to dress.
I’m totally Team Bruce (or whatever name she chooses) and applaud her as a him and as a her. It takes courage to be both, courage to admit one’s struggles, and courage to open up your life so that others can feel more comfortable in their own skin.
I never found Bruce attractive until, oddly, now. Must be that I am attracted to courage and honesty.
Keep digging, mixed up… that hole was pretty deep to begin with…
Mixedupchile
While the feelings of being suicidal and ashamed may not have resonated to you, they are relevant and important to Bruce Jenner. You have to remember, this is NOT about you, and he is not required to be concerned about how you are going to look at this. It is HIS story, not yours, and the disdain that you have expressed for that part of the story is why people may not want to hear your opinion on it. While you do have the right to that opinion, not everyone is going to understand. I would say, that if you were truly honest, your son would have more empathy and understanding of his fear and suicidal thoughts.
Yes, I said in a previous post that Bruce can do whatever he wants. I don’t care what Bruce may think of my opinion. I don’t have a time machine to make Bruce do his interview differently, to my liking. What I do have is an opinion ONLY!!!!!! It’s definitely not about me and I just expressed my feelings only.
My son never expressed having suicidal thought about being gay and he tells me EVERYTHING. He knew when he was 9. He’s been physically attacked twice and his last attacker is now in federal prison for a hate crime. He’s happy, loves his life and his partner. I love him unconditionally.
I obviously don’t know your son, but some of what you just typed describes me (I have a partner of many years, am the cheerful one of my group, always joking around, love life) and I have considered suicide multiple times due to my sexuality (mostly when I was younger), and I would never tell my mum that, even though I tell her EVERYTHING else. Just be careful about that.
The fact that Bruce has admitted to suicidal thoughts during his process, is what makes his interview all the more important to people like me, and maybe even to some people close to you.
You are right. My son has told me some extremely personal things but never any suicidal thoughts. I’m sure he had them early on. He struggled with alcoholism but is doing very well now. He’s had a lot of professional counseling. BTW, my son is a Michael!
Joanie, that last sentence of yours is confusing. Truly honest about what? Understanding of whose fear and suicidal thoughts? Bruce’s or my son’s?
I missed it but just from reading this wanted to cry with tears of pride for Bruce and what he is doing for the LGBT community. Bruce is an excellent motivational speaker and could use this phase in his life to be the most inspiring yet. Thanks TT! A friend of mine’s brother was married to a woman and then he transitioned to a female and she divorced him. Then she decided to remarry him because she still loves him no matter what gender. So does that make him straight then gay, or her? Or more importantly, who cares? Black/white gay/straight, optimistically speaking maybe one day we will live in a world that isn’t concerned with labels.
As for people questioning why now? I think it’s because all his children are now pretty much grown and out of school. He made it very clear he didn’t want to hurt any of them. As children, they may not have been able to really grasp what was happening, and/or he could have been worried about how they would be treated by their peers.
I was with a guy who was in a similar situation. He came out to his wife, they stayed married for the sake of the kids, but had separate lives. I felt bad for him. Those were my dodgy teenage years though. I think when his kids all were in Uni, he came out.
The last thing a person with suicidal ideation needs is that one last thing that tips them over the edge. It happened to me…that one last thing that validated my thoughts. I took enough pills and alcohol to kill myself but some fucking asshole came home 6 hours early and ruined my plans. So in an alternate universe I would not be here to post an unpopular, negative comment about Bruce’s transition interview. But I am here so allow me to speak, FROM EXPERIENCE, an opinion you don’t like.
I’m not mad at ya.
heh. You loves you some me.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 3:05 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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You fail to understand MixedUpChile that these comments are not about YOU, your kid, your nephew/neice or your negativity. It’s not appreciated and your place of criticism makes no one care.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 3:00 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Plenty of commenters seem to think it’s all about them and their stories, and their relatives and their experiences. They use them to make a point usually when they’re called out for having a controversial opinion.
It’s about my OPINION.
No asshole. It’s about your Judgment now shut the fuck up or I will shut you up. Go take your meds or whatever you need to do to return to human form.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 3:14 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Just dropped $20.00 in your happy pill fund because this has been a fun evening.
I just sent a thank you note until I realized it was from you.
Then I refunded it.
Get back on your meds.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 3:30 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I’m glad this “someone” came home to save you. Take your meds, and get better.
Tamara, you are my hero.
God Bless the child that’s got his own – and never gives up. True hero.
Before interview I was confused about “WHY at 65 come out?” I now understand. Seems his real self was kept inside, hidden….with marriages, kids, mortgages, etc, and at this midnight hour, he has this one chance to finally live his truth. Makes me proud of our human evolution. I think I would be even more impressed…. if he transformed off camera, and wasn’t making a fortune.
I hope she picks Kris Jenner as her name! What a giant eff you that would be to the other Kris Jenner! Ha! (I crack myself up!)
Bruce Jenners interview has become part of the top 5 emotional programs I’ve watched on TV.
It’s up there with the Towers falling (9/11) Kennedy assassination, Rodney King with Watts burning, it was that moving for me.
I don’t care who he is sexually attracted to, that question/answer has always been the problem.
Bruce being true to himself is all that matters.
Wish it wasn’t such a big deal.
Her new name will start with a “B”.
Very courageous interview. I still don’t quite get the Transgender thing but wish him the best in living his truth.
I really don’t think it needed to be 2 hrs. It isn’t like he dropped a big bombshell! I did like it when Bruce said ,”During the show I’m the one with the real story!” I agree he was the punching bag Kris was controlling taking his debit card that time he bought an RC airplane…I don’t know how he tolerated them as well as he did oh wait $$$$$
Bruce……..you are a HERO! I think that Bruce is very brave to go on TV and explain his transition. I don’t care what Bruce is, was, or wants to be. I love him and I accept him/her no matter. The love and support from his family is amazing! I wish him all the best!
Obviously Kris had known for YEARS that Bruce was dressing as a woman and wanted to be a woman… I started noticing a few years ago while watching the show that Bruce appeared to look more feminine and commented on it to my husband. What’s with the left eye???