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Lmaooooooooooo so can not wait! Her walking off like that reminds me of the women on Maury Povich running to the brick wall in back and collapsing dramatically! I am sooo waiting for the tea on THAT episode! Squeeeeee!
Wait a moment here. I am merely laughing at the fact that she and her victim complex are going to get what they deserve. She is an addict, plain and simple. She has been completely enabled and coddled by both the show and her family, and apparently Dr. Phil is gonna give her some cold hard truth. Now, that being said, I am an addict myself, over 5 years clean. The REAL kind of clean, not the Kim Richards kind of clean. I know addict behaviors, and I know the excuses we all have that point the fingers of accusation back at the people who are trying to help us. I am GALD GLAD GLAD that she might be getting the tough love that she apparently so obvoiously needs. No one else has helped her to help herself like this, thus far.
And for the record, the laughter was at what I am imagining TT’s purple Pen commentary to be, NOT at Kim’s situation…. even tho she did bring it on herself.
In the preview clip she’s acting ditzy / cutesy like she’s done repeatedly on RHOBH. It makes me wonder if she’s ever even watched Dr. Phil. He does not do cutesy (but he does plenty of interventions). ☺
@unholyspork, I don’t find you to be one sick puppy at all. I share your sentiments on the Kim Richards situation. So if that means I’m one sick puppy too, then “woof, woof all the way home!”
Oh goody. Please regale us with some of your familial tragedies. Maybe we can watch your kids suffer at your behest. Or maybe you can get a cancer riddled father to take part in our amusement. Maybe you can kill yourself for us. I’d like that.
Commenting on this blog regarding any of the Wives’ shows is no place for holier than thou browbeating of others. We all watch these shows. The morality of being part of this audience is dubious.
I feel that the people who have had some actual shit happen to them, trouble with drugs or alcohol, serious difficulties in coping with life’s rigors a la depression, bulimia, etc., are also probably the ones who are gonna be the harshest critics of Kim’s behavior.
Most of us have had to deal with those issues AND have jobs, go to school, support loved ones, carry on difficult romantic relationships and so on. We didn’t earn our paychecks by getting facials and go to the Bahamas to frolic on the beach and bicker with our friends.
Speaking only for myself, I had terrible depression and I was bulimic. My family is very religious and conservative, so I just had to find a way out of my dark hole myself. Antidepressants didn’t help, but that’s another issue. Stiff upper lip and such. Part of the reason I was so depressed and hated my body so much is because I had a couple of people similar to Kim in my life. And no, my Kim’s were not drug addicts.
TT, I will be riveted to the show. We can all learn something and have a bit of fun with schadenfreude but that doesn’t mean I will be” LMAoooooo”. Far from it. I hope for her sake, and the sake of those who love her, she finds some clarity and gets the help she needs and she does it far away from reality TV.
It’s not an intervetion, Kim. It’s a friendly gathering with those that love you and Dr. Phil to reinforce the sympathy everyone feels for you because of the way Kyle, the 81 year old friend, your niece, Bravo TV, Eileen, and that evil Lisa Rhinna not to mention Lisa VP fucked you over.
I’m sorry she has a horrible disease. With many diseases we have the choice to take the treatment and get better or at least manage it.
People go on reality tv to make money, get famous, or stay on the B list. I have lost all sympathy for her, especially after her dealings with Kingsley and the dog bites.
@Sequoia, how the fuck do you get on our case accusing us of wishing ill will on Kim, calling us sick puppies then proceed to state you’d be happy if I killed myself?? Fuck off evil bitch!
I don’t see how being amused that all of this is finally coming down on Kim more quickly than we thought and things just keep happening is wishing for her demise at all. If we wished for her demise we wouldn’t care whether she was sober or not. I feel for her children greatly but my sympathy for Kim is nonexistent. She has made a mockery of herself at this point. Being amused doesn’t necessarily mean we think this is hilarious either. It also means we are merely entertained..little vocab lesson for the day…which is the point of TV. Kim Richards puts herself on front street!! No one forced her to do Dr. Phil and she seemed eager to clear her name in the beginning of the interview.
Kim has to take responsibility for her actions. Just like everyone else.
I personally don’t believe addiction is a disease. It’s a choice. No one forced her to drink or take pills. She can turn her life around. But she has to stop blaming others, and be willing to do the work.
I’m not a fan of any of these women. But, I don’t want to see anyone hurt.
And that includes everyone here, whether you agree with me, or not.
I did have to laugh about the screaming women who find out their baby daddy is someone else, and then run hysterically backstage. And I’ve lost patience with, and tolerance for, Kim and her never-ending bullshit. Showing up on Dr. Phil a few days after drunkenly kicking a cop is just absurd. She’s back to the delusional lies and it’s only tragic for her children who are collateral damage.
The people who appears to be celebrating the demise of Kim is her family. This women doesnt belong on TV. She needs to be home following a strict outpatient rehab for 1-3 years.
Yes, holyterror44. I remember Baby Jane. Amazing movie. I’m reluctant to compare Kim to Baby Jane because of the twist at the end of the movie that shows Baby Jane to be a victim of her sister, the crippled one. Baby Jane is actually being guilted into taking care of her sister because she thinks that she’s responsible for her being a paraplegic, due to a drunk driving accident (Baby Jane was drunk driving). It turns out that she’s not responsible, and the crippled sister has taken advantage of the fact that Baby Jane’s drunken memory prevented her from remembering anything from the night it happened. If anything that movie should show us that no situation is as cut and dry as we think it is. Bette Davis was an incredible actress.
Seriously how can you be amused by watching someone’s life fall apart? Whether it’s her fault or not, it’s tragic. This isn’t a scripted soap opera. It’s someone’s real life and there’s nothing funny about it. If you hate her, hate her, don’t get amusement from her downfall.
It’s amusing because she has put it on mainstream for everyone to see, protested fervently when anyone expressed concern, lashed out and verbally attacked anyone around her who tried to show her love (being concerned with someone’s sobriety enough to talk to them after a personal altercation is loving them) and is still deflecting and projecting. She did Dr Phil because I’m sure her family made it sound like it would help her public image but it was all u see the guise of an intervention which is obviously why they are there. I think Brooke, Kathy, and everyone who loves her can’t get to the point Kyle finally came to yet and can’t get through to her so this was another way. It’s not amusing that she has relapsed but it is amusing when she is STILL crying sober when her entire family is sitting there making it clear they want her to go to rehab. Accept the help already, Kim! No one ever pissed off their family members by going to rehab.
Same [email protected] Im over being sad for Kim. She doesnt give a shit. I feel for her kids and even youngest sister . But thats where the buck stops and ends with me.
I really don’t see any of that as amusing. I see it as sad. On TV or not, the whole thing is tragic and does not amuse me or entertain me at all. I wish the shows would lighten up and focus on fun, light hearted stuff.
I think what people are responding to is the theory that “karma is a bitch”.. she was beyond horrible during this season.. and Eileen and Lisa being newbies didn’t shy away from tip toeing around Kim.. I think everyone enables her by letting her get away with a lot of crap. It is hard to feel sorry for a person who puts a rumor about a woman’s husband and finds feels justified in hurting a family.. yet i’m going to stand by her antics? I know this is addiction talking but she was one vile human being.. outdid Brandi I think and that’s pretty hard. Yet do I wish her ill will? no.. but my reasons for her healing sadly is more for the sake of her poor kids than her “choices”…
When I first heard about Kim’s arrest I felt a little bit of satisfaction that she was outed for losing her sobriety and lying on the show. That feeling lasted about ten minutes until I realized that people are suffering as a result of her sickness. It’s not amusing and it’s not entertaining…it’s horrific. Yes, I am guilty of being a voyeur and I will watch the interview. I guess it’s human nature to stop and stare at a car wreck but it doesn’t make me feel any better about myself for wanting to do it. I am trying to rely on my feelings of compassion rather than on my feelings of “I told you so” and it’s not easy after watching her this past season. Slowly, I am beginning to understand and I am hoping that doing so will make me a better person. So far, the snarky me has led the way and it doesn’t feel very good. Will she get help? Only if she wants too.I hope that she does.
sequoia, you know nothing about anyone else’s education, so keep your snotty remarks to yourself. People aren’t stupid for disagreeing with you. Don’t be a cunt.
Actually, I graduated with a 4.5 (extra credit college classes, dontcha know) from high school, and was listed in the Who’s Who of High School Graduates of America. Just because I choose to amuse myself with speaking like this, don’t assume I am ignorant. Isnt that just making a classist based snap judgement? And yeah, my family IS rather proud of me, considering what I have been thru and all I have done. But since all you know of me is what you see here, well… I forgive your mistake.
I’ve been on the other side — the recipient of many addicts’ projections and blame-shifting, and I’m very, very happy to see her (finally) cornered. The children are trying to take care of their parent, need I say more.
I’ve been on the other side — the recipient of many addicts’ projections and blame-shifting, and I’m very, very happy to see her (finally) cornered. The children are trying to take care of their parent, need I say more.
Once again, can someone explain to me why KATHY is not getting the blame for taking Kim to Dr Phil? Because Kathy has shown up and been supportive does not mean she is enabling Kim and it does not mean she supports the Dr Phil decision. Kathy did not want Kim to appear on Dr Phil or RHoBH. Kathy wants Kim to seek private help. Dr Phil was recommended by someone else.
Yet somehow all of the commenters have now chosen to target Kathy as they once targeted Kyle.
What the fuck?
I’m trying to understand what Kathy has done wrong to make her a target. Again, not what her CHILDREN have done wrong, what SHE has done wrong.
Please explain if you have an answer that doesn’t involve Kathy’s children.
I don’t really understand what you’re saying. You kind of contradict yourself in the middle of your comment. I do it too because it can be hard to organize my thoughts into one quick comment on my phone so just asking for clarification. You’re onto something though.
@Gilette Who says Kathy did not want Kim on Dr Phil. Who says Kathy wants Kim to get private help instead? I have not come across this info anywhere but yr comment. Pls clarify. Thx
If that is true Gilette, why was Kathy there? She needs to take a stand as in I love you Kim and Kim’s brood, but I can’t not support this. It’s not healthy and will make matters worse. Why can no one stand up to Kim? I’m puzzled.
Angel, because sometimes in life you have to just “be there” for family members/friends even if you don’t support their decisions.
It is a painful thing to do, watching a relative spiral out of control. But the healthiest thing to do is to let them know that you are there for them and pulling for them without enabling. It is a fine thin line.
As to something someone read, because something is written in a bound manuscript doesn’t make it true.
Which is exactly why I delete, and HAVE BEEN DELETING FOR WEEKS, the stupid fucking comments about “that book” yet, they continue to pop up like weeds, every single day.
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
@Gilette, if you are saying that although she didn’t agree with whoever set this up, she was there for Kim b/ c she knew it wouldn’t be a good situation, I get it. Maybe that’s why Kathy wasn’t on the show as well.
Sadly, you can’t separate Kathy from her kid’s bad publicity. The public has to wonder and do because their antics were/are so outrageous.
Also, I think Kathy is a bit of a cypher, only shows up and is on film either making cutting remarks about a dress choice or talking about someone’s magic-trick-show. Very little is shown of her. Except Kim saying Kathy is a more supportive sister. Which leaves people thinking, hmmm, what is Kathy doing that is “supportive”.
Maybe your question needs to be directed at Kim. Why is Kathy now the fall guy …. because someone OTHER THAN KIM has to be. Right?
I think because Kim loves whoever enables her, and she speaks so highly of “good sister” Kathy, people are assuming Kathy must be an enabler. Not taking into account that the addict may just be lying.
I’m looking forward to the Dr Phil interview too. Sequoia, Maybe you need to chill out. Sounds like Phil is going to give Kimmycakes the straight talk she’s been needing all of her adult life. Love him or hate him, Dr Phil is straight shooter. She may not like what he says but she won’t leave there wondering what he means. In my opinion, she needs to take his advice. And his free offer for treatment. Even if it means she misses Brooks second wedding and doesn’t get to see the same doctor that has been unable to successfully treat her in the past.
holyterror44,
I agree… From watching this trailer, it looks like Kim thought she was going to play it off as… “I had a bad week, RHBH reunion upset me, Monty is not doing well, etc…) and I downed a glass of vodka in a moment of weakness, and THEN REALIZED (after I was arrested and made an ass out of myself) What have I done??”
She was SHOCKED at the prospect of an intervention. She thought wrong. As TT stated above, Dr Phil does not play.
Kim deludes herself into thinking she should and does have control of the situation (by that I mean the “approved” story that you just described). When people are honest with her, she gets nasty.
I am feeling hopeful that Dr. Phil is getting help for Kim’s children. She may have walked out and refused help (as Miss Tattles reported so accurately!), but they may benefit from the experience. If Kim doesn’t want help, so be it, but her kids need to be freed from this cycle. I’m thrilled he questioned her parenting. How many times have we heard Kim say all she cares about is her kids?
Phil is not a magician and he can’t perform miracles. I watched him during the Natakee Holloway investigation and he did so much harm to those trying to find answers that I lost all respect for him. As a small part of that investigation I will never forgive his interference in the process. He is a ratings whore and that’s how I view him..not as a doctor with the objective of “first do no harm”.
I think you are confusing a doctor of philosophy in a discipline such as psychology with the medical dr’s oath of due no harm. Dr. Phil has a PhD, which makes him a doctor in his discipline, not a medical dr. He does not uphold to that oath.
I realize that Dr. Phil is not a psychiatrist and, yes, I am well aware that a psychiatrist is a medical doctor, and a PhD is not. I don’t know why you would presume something else that based on my comment. I said I hope he “does something” for the kids. I gave no indication that I hope he provides direct treatment. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone. My hope is that he directs them to someone qualified to assist them, just as he allegedly was offering to Kim. As for Kim, I suspect she DOES need a psychiatrist.
They’re not “kids”, in the sense of the word. They are now ADULT children, in their twenties, not like the Gosselin kids…(who suffer in their own right thanks to reality TV…)
That would be great for Dr. Phil to get help for her kids. I hadn’t thought of that, but I bet he does. They need to understand her addiction mentality, and how to handle her whether she gets well or not. And therapy for dealing with the damage shes done to them all these years. Sometimes its the people the addict has hurt that are forgotten in the equation. They need to be able to protect themselves going forward and enjoy their adult lives .
That may’ve been exactly what got Kim to rehab – Dr. Phil giving the kids permission to fully hand the problem back to Kim. Stand firm with their bottom lines. “As long as you’re using, you will not be a part of our lives, period. We will no longer cover for you / coddle you / or allow you around us (including “our brother Kingsley”) or our future children”.
ahh… she appeared to be on something in this clip. If she had really been sober for the past year (or three) and this was a slip, she would be humble and acknowledging her responsibility. I cannot wait to see if Dr. Phil gets through to her. Maybe Dr. Phil interviews Morty as well.
That brief clip seems to back up that story from yesterday. Are those the 3 kids that were mentioned in the story? I get them mixed up. I wonder if they will touch on why the other one isn’t there. Will also be interesting to see if they discuss Kyle. I am looking forward to hearing how this is her fault somehow.
I want to know who was having dinner with Kim there beforehand. The story is that she for some reason stayed behind after her party beat it and went to the Polo Lounge to drink and flip off strangers. How was she over dinner?
Every twist and turn in this saga is like red meat to starving dogs. Arf!
I am trying not to think about that too much and just watch this unfold, fingers crossed!
Arf! Minky, Merilyn & Katherine, I concur with your comments about a hungry audience eager to see this nasty woman’s comeuppance, especially after her callous treatment of Kingsley’s dreadful bite victims.
Yes. I’m feeling kinda sleezy for wanting her to be exposed for the manipulative Beach she is, maybe b/c as Minky points out, I’ve dealt with similar addict behaviors in my own family – altho not to this extent – this broad takes the cake!
In a more shallow vein (apologies in advance) pills & booze are hell on skin. Maybe another channel into her addled brain is through her vanity? Her habits are not doing her complexion any favors. (Arf, ouch?)
This chick never learned how to be anything but dysfunctional. She is fortunate to have had support systems in her life that many child stars don’t have.
What does a healthy Kim Richards look like? Is it even possible to salvage anything? I think we all want her to succeed. We would be her biggest cheerleaders if she really tries.
As for pills and booze and skin – don’t feel shallow for commenting. She’s a cautionary tale.
I will watch it but it is so sad. Seeing her daughter there to witness this whole mess is even more heartwrenching. Unfortunately I believe Kim is mentally still the age she was when she started using. She stopped growing emotionally and it shows. I have a brother who is a recovering addict, with many times over in rehab, and I also have a fiance who is 4 years sober. They both make the choice every day to NOT use their drugs of choice. And some days are better than others. I will continue to pray for her and her family.
I’ve heard that people’s maturity is arrested at the time they start to use. That seems true in this case — childish tantrums and LOCKING HERSELF IN THE BATHROOM/dressing room. Yeah, that’ll solve it.
I think its true to a certain extent about getting stuck in an immature mind set when you abuse drugs starting as a teenager, and then you throw some narcissistic personality in there, and you have a person who cant mature. I had an experience with a guy like that. I was dumb enough to date him even though he had never ever had a relationship. Nothing was ever his fault. When all else failed he said but im just a child really. He was in his forties. He had done every drug around since teens and was a meth head for 12 years. He came across as sweet and caring but he actually was not a nice person at all and was rather cruel underneath the surface. Sounds like Kim somewhat. Now seeing more of Kim I see why she hasnt made a go of any of her marriages and relationships.
I think it’s great her kids are there. This damn addiction appears to have played a prime role in their lives. Her children & family are like prisoners of war & I believe Dr. Phil will help them hand the addiction 100% over to Kim & help them move forward with their lives. No more sweeping this under the carpet / no more lies. If an addict can’t find their rock bottom, a good intervention will find it for them & free all the hostages.
I’m confused. She pored a drink of this much vodka. Wait, do you get to pour your own drinks at the Polo Lounge? Kim go to rehab. Someone needs to say to her “You are not going to a certain event because I can not trust your actions at the present time.” It’s not going to be pretty when the reality of her situation hits her. Maybe no job. Maybe no sisters. Maybe no dog. Maybe a judgement against her for a million. Maybe . . .she is so close to loosing so much and doesn’t want to face it.
Maybe she poured the drink before the ventured over to the Polo Lounge. Another bad choice. I don’t know HOW you face the sort of mess she has made for herself. Maybe that’s why she did nothing about the court papers in the dog lawsuit. She is burying her head in the sand, trying to ignore it in the vain hope that it somehow goes *poof* and it’s all ok again in Kim’s world.
It sounds like she ordered a whole bottle of vodka, maybe for herself and whoever she was with to share. That clip also makes it sound like she’s saying that just a small amount of vodka could have gotten her shit faced enough to assault a police officer. More magical thinking.
Shes full it. Kim came in all rehearsed with the one drink crap. Im glad someone will call her out on her mothering. Because I have my doubts she did that very well in 30yrs thanks to her addiction.i
I think Kim is a practiced liar and li es even when it doesnt matter. Its second nature. Also prescription drugs are good memory erasers and alcohol too.
I never heard of ordering a bottle of vodka and mixing or pouring it yourself at a bar. Only heard of ordering wine or champagne by the bottle. But then again to Ive never seen anyone try it. Not sure why Kim said she poured the vodka.
“Is this an intervention?” Um..did she think it was an informal chat with a fellow tv personality?
I feel for her kids and other family members. Kim will never find an ideal time to go to rehab, and will use any excuse to put it off. Sad that her daughter may rather her mother be in treatment than at her wedding, and even sadder that Kim can’t see that herself.
No one in her family wants to be the “bad guy” telling the addict the truth because it’s hard and it’s painful. Dr Phil is an expert at it. I’m not his biggest fan but I do hope he was able to give Kim’s kids some good advice and coping skills they can draw on if she refuses the help he’s offering.
TT does this give you more confidence in the Daily Mail story than you may have had before?
yeah. My problem with DM is they pay for stories. And they actually posted (I think maybe, allegedly) that Bobbi Kristina was dead. I do know HWs sell them stories though. So everything is suspect.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:06 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
So they made Kim think this was to rehab her image but it was really an intervention. Wow. Dr. Phil doesnt pussyfoot around.
It will be interesting to see what the kids say. I cant imagine what she has put them thru. Hopefully her love for herself or those kids are stronger than the addiction.
If her love for her kids were stronger than her addiction then she would’ve been in rehab and sober along time ago. Her addiction is still number one in her life and until that changes she will never be sober
Isn’t that the truth. Imagine a thing so powerful in your life that you choose it over your children. Addiction is a scary thing. I just don’t see Kim being strong enough to ever be sober for long. It’s just tragic.
I’m not sure that ANYTHING or ANYONE is stronger than the addiction itself. It takes over the brain and all of the functions so she can’t think like a normal person anymore. I doubt that she is deliberately harming her children but the disease is in control so she does what it tells her to do. At this moment, Kim is powerless. That’s why she needs help so desperately She can’t do this without help from qualified addiction specialists in a reputable rehab facility. She has tried and failed on more than one occasion so the prognosis looks grim.
There are thousands (millions?) of addicts out there whose addiction is stronger than their love for their kids. It’s heartbreaking but true. Luckily, some of them get help to get clean & become the parents their kids deserve. It’s also why there is alateen & other programs for the children of addicts. >
Was she really telling Dr. Phil that she only had a shot of vodka and that caused her to start acting so crazy that police were called? Kim’s lies arent even believable.
It’s hard to tell from a 30 second clip. But it does seem like that’s what she’s gonna try and do. It’s gonna be like the nonsense she tried to spin regarding Monty’s pain pill (just one pill and because she was in pain). Only this time it’s just one little drink and it was not really so bad to do because she’s been going through a lot. Sigh.
Perhaps Kim should visit the world famous Michelin star restaurant Chez Corneille, the chefs tasting menu would be the perfect choice
Amuse Bouche, Crow Puff with rhubarb vinaigrette and creme fraiche
Petit Caprese Salad with crow jus gastric and balsamic reduction( LVP suggestion)
Poached crow egg on seared trot fillet
Crow Consomme with seed tuille
Fillet Mignon stuffed with Roquefort and crow mousse
Crow beak sorbet
Camembert with sour cherries and crow glee’ en croute
and lastly….
A big ole piece of house made humble pie a’ la mode
I really hope Dr. Phil holds no punches and gets through to her! Those poor kids – their Dad is dying and now, even when the truth becomes public, their Mom remains in denial. Get her into rehab and counseling asap.
Her kids are the real victims here. The look on her daughter Kimberly’s face was so sad but also telling- of the crap that these kids have witnessed throughout their lives. I love that Dr. Phil put her in her place in front of the kids because I’m sure they haven’t been allowed to confront her and hopefully he will help them. Kim is not a victim- maybe in her own mind- but its her decision to go to Re-hab or not (my money’s on the latter) . The kids need to get away from Kim, until she gets sober, REAL-life sober.
Dr. Phil is a big advocate for kids and young people who have had to live through parents fighting all the time ,or abusing substances. He allways says you change who they are (kids) ,by subjecting them to this abusive unstable, unsafe chaos. Thats a powerful message ,and one people forget or dont own.
Agreed! Getting her to go doesnt cut it! If she doesnt hit some sort of bottom than she’ll never complete a full program. Then she’s probably so deep into it, Kim nothing will shake her other then death. Im not saying that to be cold, Im saying that to be real.
Coco- you’re so right. She has the finances to buy her drugs and friends so there’s nothing the kids can do other than withhold themselves to make her hit bottom. The kids need to stay away unless she completes the program and goes to sober living. She is so deep that a 30 day program will not do any good. – We will see if she loves her kids more than she loves her drugs……
Hell no 30 days is not enough. 30 days, 30 yrs = JOKE. She needs the long term rehab, maybe 90 days would be a great start. Yet Kim has to want it for herself. Then she might not anyhow.
Imagining how sick with worry Brooke must be having her Mother at her wedding. Even when Kim is behaving she is embarrassing.
Kim getting in fights and insulting a business associate of Brooke’s husband. My stomach turns at the thought of Kim attending.
Which makes me wonder, again. What the hell did Kyle do at Wedding #1 that pissed Kim off. Maybe I should rephrase. What the hell does Kim THINK Kyle did? OR What did BRANDI convince her to think Kyle did? Some shit happened. It’s very unclear.
Minky, LVP confirmed Kyle did nothing at Brookes first wedding just like Alexia did nothing to deserve being bit. Just more blaming and deflecting to get that bright light off herself. Rinse, lather, repeat.
I’m also confused. Someone please tell me why this wedding is such a momentous occasion if the “bride” is already married. This is the second wedding to the same person? I think Ms. Tattles told us, but I don’t remember…
@Kate62 There ya go. Nothing happened. So, more fabrications on Kim’s part. That actually makes it even more weird. Why is Kim mad at Kyle over something that DIDN’T happen at Wedding #1? I know Brandi got out the Kitchen Aid to stir up some shit. I’m just wondering what kind of shit?
Minky, could Kim be pissed because of the 2nd home Kyle purchased in Palm Desert, wasn’t the wedding around the same time as the purchase. I know one has nothing to do with the other but after all this is Kim we’re discussing here. She is all eat up with envy regarding Kyle’s life and it’s the only thing I can attribute her outrageous hate towards Kyle on.
I think it was Brandi, who wasnt at the wedding, who said Kyle did “something heinous”. She was trying to pull “What did Harry do” on Kyle.
Wedding one was hastily pulled together for close family and friends just for Monty to be able to walk Brooke down the aisle. The second is the destination wedding she was planning all along with all her friends and family.
@ Lizbeth. Brooke originally planned a big destination wedding to be held in May. When they found out about the seriousness of Monty’s condition, they decided to have a small family wedding so Monty could walk her down the aisle and see her get married (or Kim needed a story line) because no one knew what his condition would be in May. IMO Kim is more concerned with starring as the mother of the bride at the big destination wedding than facing her issues. She knows she needs rehab on some level.
@Kate62 I’ve been thinking about the Palm Springs house that you mentioned. I think you’re right. Something about that situation really steams Kim’s broccoli. Kyle apparently has the receipts to prove that everything was done fair and square, but Kim’s still bitching about it.
By the way, I’ve been to Palm Springs. I really don’t get why anyone would ever want to have a vacation home there. It’s icky, and really hard to find good food. I’d rather have a place in the mountains or in wine country. Especially if you live by the beach in perpetually warm weather already. I guess Palm Springs is like California’s version of Boca Raton. Anyhoo…
Maybe Kim thinks that Kyle highjacked the attention away from her at the wedding. Kim’s all about being the center of attention. I just can’t figure it out.
The molehill: Kyle was a little late as she had flown in from Spain. Not late where festivities were delayed, late where she wasn’t sitting for an hour beforehand.
The mountain: KYLE WAS LATE TO MY DAUGHTER’S WEDDING
Okay, I’m just gonna say after seeing that brief blink of an eye look on Kimberlys face when her mother said “is this an intervention?” Makes me absolutely detest this woman! The bewildered look on that child’s face was heart breaking, we have seen that
very same look on Kyles face when confronted with her sisters’ volcanic eruptions. She has caused so much pain for her children. Kim I will make you a promise that IF you survive long enough to even see your first grandchild, you can count on never being a huge part of that child’s life. Brooke will have a husband that will put distance between your addictons and their child. How do I know this? Because my husband had to make the choice for our daughter regarding my own parents because my brain was so messed up on what was normal. What you are going realize is that while your children love you, one day soon they will have children that they will love more than you. You will end up being exactly where you have chosen to be, alone with your addictions. May God have mercy on you then, even though you won’t deserve it.
Kim is unpredictable. Especially when she doesn’t have total control of how any given situation is gonna go. Her excuses aren’t working and she doesn’t have a plan B.
So true Kate62, so true. We’ve seen adult women totally chased off by Kim’s behavior (Lisa R, LVP, Kyle, etc). Imagine what these young people have had thrown at them when she’s been angry. It can truly screw up your sense of what’s acceptable, really mess up your boundaries.
Okay, so Kim goes on Dr. Phil’s show and then acts surprised when he confronts her about her addiction? WTF. I’m going to have to tune into this. Feel bad for her kids ’cause she is delusional and sick.
For the love of god this woman needs help!! Enough already…get some help before you die and completely ruin your children’s lives. Someone needs to shake the crap out of her.
I think Kim thought she was going to do an Oprah or Barbara Walters-like type of interview and instead she got Dr. Phil and an intervention! Lol I find that hilarious. Yes, Im sitting on the naughty bench and I dont care who knows it!
Question for Our Grand Dame, Tamara: so since they are between contracts (season’s over, renewal letters have not gone out yet, everyone is in limbo), does this mean that they are not bound Bravo interview rules? Is there was no Bravo lawyer or PR flak off camera?
I think they are allowed to do things like talk shows (to promote the show) without having to ask. I am sure they are pissed that Kim went out of NBCu for this story but I imagine it was an instance of “better to ask for forgiveness than permission.”
As for their inbtween contracts, there are stipulations in the contract that run for a year after their last episode airs regarding mostly reality TV, but also other acting shows.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 11:36 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
I would imagine anything they do would be in furtherance of promoting the show, and, maybe to some sick Bravo exec, they are taking an “any publicity is good publicity” approach to this. I’ll be interested to see if they show any clips from BHOBH, though, or if it will all be interviews or, g-d forbid, re-enactments.
Kim has to want help. She has to hit rock bottom and she hasn’t yet unfortunately. Dr. Phil is putting it in her face and not helping her cover it up. Her entire family needs to step away from her including her children. I’m really that if kim is left to herself she will end up dead. Maybe she needs a near death experience…what is her rock bottom? It’s scary.
I have seen some intervention shows, where the person was really brow beaten into going, and didnt want to go at all. And surprisingly ,they ended up doing really well, once they were clear headed, and loved being sober so much. People are so unpredictable and so different , its probably a case of noy one size fits all. Exceot for co dependency and e nabeling. I think those approaches really never work. Truth be told ,theres probably not a high success rate. But theres allways hope.
But at some point the person does need to want it for themselves. If not initially , then somewhere down the line. Theres got to be some pay off to beng sober for them to remain so. I think the meetings are important too to get support on many levls. I kbe a woman who was alcoholic and doing well and counted on her new husband to keep her sober. When after several years he started cheating on her all hell broje loose. Within a year or so she was dead from liver failure. She couldnt take that betrayl and loss and it killed her literally.
Kathy was there. I assume she organized this. Do you think that a) she organized it thinking that they could spin this and do damage control or b) she knew exactly what Dr. Phil would do and thought it was what Kim needed? I don’t know anything about Dr. Phil, but it sounds like from what TT said that this is his MO, so I am wondering if this was a calculated ploy on part of Kathy and the kids as they thought this was the only way of getting through to her.
I’m honestly so pleased that her bullshit is finally being called out and she is being held accountable. I’m happy about it because the universe makes sense. Bad people must suffer consequences and when they don’t the world seems like a scary and confusing place. This makes sense. She should be upset and running out of a room because she’s “just can’t”. I like web things make sense. Oh and also, I really fucking hate Kim Richards, so it pleases me on a personal level as well.
Kim knows a lot of “family secrets” for sure. Kyle, Kathy, Maurecio, et al are pretty much blackmail victims of this “loose cannon”. They must be worried that she will spew secrets as well as LIES to get her way. This seems true of Kyle anyway. Maurecio probably advises Kyle how to deal with her sister. Kim is controlling the whole family with her addiction. I would assume at this point the daughters have had enough and may have more to do with the intervention (hopefully that is what this is) than is realized.
What family secrets do these people have that is so bad that they would be held hostage by Kim? Do they have people buried in their basement? I think at this point no secret is worth putting up with this.
I cannot wait to see this, finally someone is going to ask her the hard questions. Denial is strong as hell in addiction, you need to get smacked in the face with some reality and accountability.
Major denial, manipulation & deflection going on. Very familiar to me. My family – when they were still alive – reeked of it. I had read about “personal exception” awhile ago, and it makes perfect sense in Kim’s case.
The theory is that personal exception is a mindset of most addicts when they are in the thick of it. Their “logic” goes something like this. (using *blah as a filler for drinking, drugging, lying, bad behavior etc)
If *blah is not acceptable to the “ordinary people” in my life that’s THEIR problem not mine.
I am NOT ordinary – I am special.
Therefore, my *blah is exempt because MY circumstances are different/special.
Check out Kim’s expression around the 15 second mark. It has stifled smirk written all over it.
Thanks, Fascinated. That’s just my interpretation. I broke it down and applied it to my own experiences to try and make sense of the senseless and to heal. It helped me realize I couldn’t save them and that I needed to let go of the “what ifs” and the worst one “if you loved me you wouldn’t do this” guilt trips.
It might mean something totally different to others. 🙂
I remember being struck by Kims shut down tuning out stance. When Eileen tried very nicely to bring Kim a nd Kyle together at the lunch she invited them to, Kim wouldnt even look at Eileen, while she was talking about her sisters deaths ,and how you cant get that time back. That was so odd to me. It wasnt even a talk about addiction and Kim was like a stone wall. But with Brandi Kim lights up like a Christmas tree. I think Kim finds Brandi to be fun. Peopke who drink and use drugs tend to be all about the fun. Thats what they seek more than anything. They dont really care about whether the person is a good person or not. Thats been my experience anyway.
To me, that 15 second mark smirk looks like “I’m a little girl who’s done wrong but aren’t I too cute to punish?” She’s been using that look for a looong time. She’ll always be a child. >
Interventions can be very powerful. Caring families will do this on tv for many reasons. Two positive reasons are because often times the production company will alleviate the costs for treatment. Treatment is very expensive. Second, the family hopes to bring awareness to other family members that they cannot do it alone, that often times they are enabling the addict, and they receive support through social media after to help them stay strong. Persons living with addictions can also see that their addiction may be causing the same problems and they get to see how it affects the rest of the family. Yes there are fame whores and yes it appears as if people are exposing everyone’s secrets for ratings or money but that is a large part of the addiction culture. Keep your secrets secret. Just let the addict do what they want, eventually they will choose family over substance, or worse let them hit rock bottom. People living with addictions do not have to hit rock bottom in order to change. There are many reasons for quitting and many relapses that take place. It is a healing journey. I appreciate the families having the courage to ask for help and I appreciate Dr. Phil answering their call. AND MOSTLY I appreciate TT for creating discussion forums about these shows so that people can experience varying perspectives for what ever reason you read and respond and watch.
If nothing else comes out of this hopefully the family will realize that what will make Kim want to change is to have all of the family members state to Kim that they are aware that they HAVE been enabling her and will no longer; that they will break contact with her until she takes steps to change her behavior/addiction. Sometimes this is enough to make the addict take positive steps to change; sometimes. Looks like the daughters are ready to take this step. Like all of the other posters have intimated; the daughters will then find out if they are more important to her than the alcohol/substances.
I agree about the tv part for most people, but clearly it had zero effect on Kim. If you or I had seen ourselves strung out and belligerent like she was on poker night, it would have probably been a come to Jesus moment. I just don’t understand that she wasn’t humiliated by her behavior, and even went on to be both aggressive and defensive during the reunion. The real karma moment came when she accused Lisa of … what is that called, hmm …battery! That certainly came around and bit her in the ass.
I would like to say something on a serious note. Kim will never choose alcohol or drugs over her children. She will always love her children. Addiction just over powers a person. However, Kim may not love herself enough to get clean and sober. It sounds cold but sometimes it just becomes too late for the addict and they die. It happens. It does not mean that they did not love their children or their family. Trust me I know from personal experience.
Your point about her loving her children is true. It is easy for me to think that the person living with addictions loves their drug over their family but in reality they have little control over saying no. I say little control because many addicts identify that in order to change they need to start making choices (hard choices). I suspect the guilt and shame of addiction prevents the addict from seeing the love that is offered, but does love their family very much.
I commend the family for confronting Kim and not keeping her secrets. Should something happen to Kim – like an overdose or suicide – they might be able to take a tiny step forward knowing they tried to get her help. Secrets often continue, even after the addict dies. Help is help, no matter what avenue they took to get it.
Dr. Drew allways says hitting rock bottom ,is too often likely to be death. So he doesnt advcate waiting for rock bottom. My niece staged an tervention fir her mom and made all the arrangements for the rehab to be in pkace for her to go ahead of time. Her mm went and was much better for a year but she died in her sleep later on. Guess the damage done was too great or she relapsed. Im not sure. She was bipolar as well.
I am a sick puppy and cannot wait to watch this. I could care less about Kim and the choices she continues to make. I feel bad for helpless animals and children who have no control over unfortunate situations – rich-ass spoiled former child star who can’t seem to stay on the wagon or deal with her psychoemotional issues? Not so much. Meh…
Well Monty took full responsibility for Kim’s “first” relapse, and as soon as Kingley gets a twitter account, he’ll take full responsibility for her “second” relapse.
That’s enabling right there. Nobody is ever responsible for your relapse other than yourself, and the “relapse” cycle begins LONG before you pick up the drug or drink. That’s the final step in the regression. If you really know the signs, the road begins well before- when you start behaving like Kim. No accountability, no responsibility, no program, no sponsor, etc. I learned in treatment, and it has proven true to me in my 3 yrs sober- an person’s behavior will tell you everything you need to know about themselves and the state of their “recovery”. Kim’s actions speak for themselves.
Sigh. In an effort to save $ I decided to become a cord cutter. Now I don’t know what the hell is going on and will have to wait to see the show.
Even so, Kim’s substance abuse seem more like self-medicating. Kim has other, deeper and perhaps intractable issues going on. God it would suck to get sober work hard to apply the steps only to find you are still crazier than a shithouse rat.
But at least you’d have a shot at grappling with the read issue, if you’ve got the guts. And I don’t believe Kim does.
Appropos of nothing, last time I watched Kyle it struck me that even though she can be very annoying, she’s the most grounded and least pretentious of her siblings. It’s kind of scary when Kim gets her to-the-manor born mask on and Kathy does the same from what I’ve seen of her. Sorry for the rambling. Hope it made sense. Ish.
Apropos of nothing, he said his name was William, or Will, or Mac, or Buddy – and he’s plain ugly to me. I wonder if he’s ever had a day of fun in his whole life.
I’ve realized Kim is totally into drug culture, like Monty. She’s a very bad addict with the pitbull, the druggy boyfriend, being constantly loopy and thinking it’s funny. Not saying she doesn’t have other issues, because she does.
Lmaooooooooooo so can not wait! Her walking off like that reminds me of the women on Maury Povich running to the brick wall in back and collapsing dramatically! I am sooo waiting for the tea on THAT episode! Squeeeeee!
If you find this tragic situation that funny, you are one sick puppy….
Wait a moment here. I am merely laughing at the fact that she and her victim complex are going to get what they deserve. She is an addict, plain and simple. She has been completely enabled and coddled by both the show and her family, and apparently Dr. Phil is gonna give her some cold hard truth. Now, that being said, I am an addict myself, over 5 years clean. The REAL kind of clean, not the Kim Richards kind of clean. I know addict behaviors, and I know the excuses we all have that point the fingers of accusation back at the people who are trying to help us. I am GALD GLAD GLAD that she might be getting the tough love that she apparently so obvoiously needs. No one else has helped her to help herself like this, thus far.
And for the record, the laughter was at what I am imagining TT’s purple Pen commentary to be, NOT at Kim’s situation…. even tho she did bring it on herself.
Your protestations aside, I stand by my statement. woof.
Babe, I am salivating at this interview. Dr. Phil is no Andy Cohen. He is not going to just nod and move to the next question when she lies.
IS THIS AN INTERVENTION?
Yeah, it is.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 7:55 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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In the preview clip she’s acting ditzy / cutesy like she’s done repeatedly on RHOBH. It makes me wonder if she’s ever even watched Dr. Phil. He does not do cutesy (but he does plenty of interventions). ☺
@unholyspork, I don’t find you to be one sick puppy at all. I share your sentiments on the Kim Richards situation. So if that means I’m one sick puppy too, then “woof, woof all the way home!”
Oh goody. Please regale us with some of your familial tragedies. Maybe we can watch your kids suffer at your behest. Or maybe you can get a cancer riddled father to take part in our amusement. Maybe you can kill yourself for us. I’d like that.
Sequoia!
Are you having a bad night?
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I don’t know, Sequoia; with that last comment, I’d have to say it’s YOU who is the sick puppy.
Commenting on this blog regarding any of the Wives’ shows is no place for holier than thou browbeating of others. We all watch these shows. The morality of being part of this audience is dubious.
I feel that the people who have had some actual shit happen to them, trouble with drugs or alcohol, serious difficulties in coping with life’s rigors a la depression, bulimia, etc., are also probably the ones who are gonna be the harshest critics of Kim’s behavior.
Most of us have had to deal with those issues AND have jobs, go to school, support loved ones, carry on difficult romantic relationships and so on. We didn’t earn our paychecks by getting facials and go to the Bahamas to frolic on the beach and bicker with our friends.
Speaking only for myself, I had terrible depression and I was bulimic. My family is very religious and conservative, so I just had to find a way out of my dark hole myself. Antidepressants didn’t help, but that’s another issue. Stiff upper lip and such. Part of the reason I was so depressed and hated my body so much is because I had a couple of people similar to Kim in my life. And no, my Kim’s were not drug addicts.
I find no reason to celebrate the demise of Kim Richards. I wish her swift recovery and a happy life, far away from reality TV.
Oh, fuck off.
TT, I will be riveted to the show. We can all learn something and have a bit of fun with schadenfreude but that doesn’t mean I will be” LMAoooooo”. Far from it. I hope for her sake, and the sake of those who love her, she finds some clarity and gets the help she needs and she does it far away from reality TV.
It’s not an intervetion, Kim. It’s a friendly gathering with those that love you and Dr. Phil to reinforce the sympathy everyone feels for you because of the way Kyle, the 81 year old friend, your niece, Bravo TV, Eileen, and that evil Lisa Rhinna not to mention Lisa VP fucked you over.
I’m sorry she has a horrible disease. With many diseases we have the choice to take the treatment and get better or at least manage it.
People go on reality tv to make money, get famous, or stay on the B list. I have lost all sympathy for her, especially after her dealings with Kingsley and the dog bites.
@Sequoia, how the fuck do you get on our case accusing us of wishing ill will on Kim, calling us sick puppies then proceed to state you’d be happy if I killed myself?? Fuck off evil bitch!
I don’t see how being amused that all of this is finally coming down on Kim more quickly than we thought and things just keep happening is wishing for her demise at all. If we wished for her demise we wouldn’t care whether she was sober or not. I feel for her children greatly but my sympathy for Kim is nonexistent. She has made a mockery of herself at this point. Being amused doesn’t necessarily mean we think this is hilarious either. It also means we are merely entertained..little vocab lesson for the day…which is the point of TV. Kim Richards puts herself on front street!! No one forced her to do Dr. Phil and she seemed eager to clear her name in the beginning of the interview.
Kim has to take responsibility for her actions. Just like everyone else.
I personally don’t believe addiction is a disease. It’s a choice. No one forced her to drink or take pills. She can turn her life around. But she has to stop blaming others, and be willing to do the work.
I’m not a fan of any of these women. But, I don’t want to see anyone hurt.
And that includes everyone here, whether you agree with me, or not.
Sequoia – blah, blah, blah.
Chill the fuck out. Wishing ill on someone doesn’t make you any better.
Preach Sequoia! It’s not funny at all. The spork has no manners
I did have to laugh about the screaming women who find out their baby daddy is someone else, and then run hysterically backstage. And I’ve lost patience with, and tolerance for, Kim and her never-ending bullshit. Showing up on Dr. Phil a few days after drunkenly kicking a cop is just absurd. She’s back to the delusional lies and it’s only tragic for her children who are collateral damage.
She’s Nora fucking Desmond!
The people who appears to be celebrating the demise of Kim is her family. This women doesnt belong on TV. She needs to be home following a strict outpatient rehab for 1-3 years.
@Minky … What a great analogy with Nora Desmond and to you for your quick memory. Impressed me.
Thanks Calipatti! I love old movies.
Boy I wonder is she wishing she could had one on one with Andy about now
Minky, actually, Baby Jane Hudson.
Yes, holyterror44. I remember Baby Jane. Amazing movie. I’m reluctant to compare Kim to Baby Jane because of the twist at the end of the movie that shows Baby Jane to be a victim of her sister, the crippled one. Baby Jane is actually being guilted into taking care of her sister because she thinks that she’s responsible for her being a paraplegic, due to a drunk driving accident (Baby Jane was drunk driving). It turns out that she’s not responsible, and the crippled sister has taken advantage of the fact that Baby Jane’s drunken memory prevented her from remembering anything from the night it happened. If anything that movie should show us that no situation is as cut and dry as we think it is. Bette Davis was an incredible actress.
Seriously how can you be amused by watching someone’s life fall apart? Whether it’s her fault or not, it’s tragic. This isn’t a scripted soap opera. It’s someone’s real life and there’s nothing funny about it. If you hate her, hate her, don’t get amusement from her downfall.
It’s amusing because she has put it on mainstream for everyone to see, protested fervently when anyone expressed concern, lashed out and verbally attacked anyone around her who tried to show her love (being concerned with someone’s sobriety enough to talk to them after a personal altercation is loving them) and is still deflecting and projecting. She did Dr Phil because I’m sure her family made it sound like it would help her public image but it was all u see the guise of an intervention which is obviously why they are there. I think Brooke, Kathy, and everyone who loves her can’t get to the point Kyle finally came to yet and can’t get through to her so this was another way. It’s not amusing that she has relapsed but it is amusing when she is STILL crying sober when her entire family is sitting there making it clear they want her to go to rehab. Accept the help already, Kim! No one ever pissed off their family members by going to rehab.
Same [email protected] Im over being sad for Kim. She doesnt give a shit. I feel for her kids and even youngest sister . But thats where the buck stops and ends with me.
I really don’t see any of that as amusing. I see it as sad. On TV or not, the whole thing is tragic and does not amuse me or entertain me at all. I wish the shows would lighten up and focus on fun, light hearted stuff.
It’s amusing because of her adamant denial, duh
Swizzle, No — if it’s her fault, it’s karma, and delayed justice for everyone she’s maligned.
I think what people are responding to is the theory that “karma is a bitch”.. she was beyond horrible during this season.. and Eileen and Lisa being newbies didn’t shy away from tip toeing around Kim.. I think everyone enables her by letting her get away with a lot of crap. It is hard to feel sorry for a person who puts a rumor about a woman’s husband and finds feels justified in hurting a family.. yet i’m going to stand by her antics? I know this is addiction talking but she was one vile human being.. outdid Brandi I think and that’s pretty hard. Yet do I wish her ill will? no.. but my reasons for her healing sadly is more for the sake of her poor kids than her “choices”…
When I first heard about Kim’s arrest I felt a little bit of satisfaction that she was outed for losing her sobriety and lying on the show. That feeling lasted about ten minutes until I realized that people are suffering as a result of her sickness. It’s not amusing and it’s not entertaining…it’s horrific. Yes, I am guilty of being a voyeur and I will watch the interview. I guess it’s human nature to stop and stare at a car wreck but it doesn’t make me feel any better about myself for wanting to do it. I am trying to rely on my feelings of compassion rather than on my feelings of “I told you so” and it’s not easy after watching her this past season. Slowly, I am beginning to understand and I am hoping that doing so will make me a better person. So far, the snarky me has led the way and it doesn’t feel very good. Will she get help? Only if she wants too.I hope that she does.
I will assume you stopped watching RHOBH as soon as Kim’s relapse became a storyline then?
It is tragic. And people have been fascinated by tragedies since the beginning of time.
You always have so much to contribute to a conversation. Your 8th grade education has served you well . Your family must be so proud.
Sorry, that was meant for Brillo.
Is that a standard-issue pedestal you’re standing on or one of those deluxe models they sell at Pious-R-Us?
Pious-R-Us ….. lmao!!
I think brillke’s response was witty, snarky and the best line I’ve read all day. Spoken like a true smart ass brillke. (*Clairee voice*)
sequoia, you know nothing about anyone else’s education, so keep your snotty remarks to yourself. People aren’t stupid for disagreeing with you. Don’t be a cunt.
@sequoia You need a Snickers
Actually, I graduated with a 4.5 (extra credit college classes, dontcha know) from high school, and was listed in the Who’s Who of High School Graduates of America. Just because I choose to amuse myself with speaking like this, don’t assume I am ignorant. Isnt that just making a classist based snap judgement? And yeah, my family IS rather proud of me, considering what I have been thru and all I have done. But since all you know of me is what you see here, well… I forgive your mistake.
I’m sure your family is proud of you encouraging people to kill themselves online. Cunt bag.
I’ve been on the other side — the recipient of many addicts’ projections and blame-shifting, and I’m very, very happy to see her (finally) cornered. The children are trying to take care of their parent, need I say more.
I’ve been on the other side — the recipient of many addicts’ projections and blame-shifting, and I’m very, very happy to see her (finally) cornered. The children are trying to take care of their parent, need I say more.
Once again, can someone explain to me why KATHY is not getting the blame for taking Kim to Dr Phil? Because Kathy has shown up and been supportive does not mean she is enabling Kim and it does not mean she supports the Dr Phil decision. Kathy did not want Kim to appear on Dr Phil or RHoBH. Kathy wants Kim to seek private help. Dr Phil was recommended by someone else.
Yet somehow all of the commenters have now chosen to target Kathy as they once targeted Kyle.
What the fuck?
I’m trying to understand what Kathy has done wrong to make her a target. Again, not what her CHILDREN have done wrong, what SHE has done wrong.
Please explain if you have an answer that doesn’t involve Kathy’s children.
*now
I don’t really understand what you’re saying. You kind of contradict yourself in the middle of your comment. I do it too because it can be hard to organize my thoughts into one quick comment on my phone so just asking for clarification. You’re onto something though.
@Gilette Who says Kathy did not want Kim on Dr Phil. Who says Kathy wants Kim to get private help instead? I have not come across this info anywhere but yr comment. Pls clarify. Thx
Gilette has an issue with the commenting rules.
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Kay, my “not” should have been “now”.
Zoe, I have said it and only I have said it. I believe you will see it played out though. I can’t go into it more than that.
If that is true Gilette, why was Kathy there? She needs to take a stand as in I love you Kim and Kim’s brood, but I can’t not support this. It’s not healthy and will make matters worse. Why can no one stand up to Kim? I’m puzzled.
Angel, because sometimes in life you have to just “be there” for family members/friends even if you don’t support their decisions.
It is a painful thing to do, watching a relative spiral out of control. But the healthiest thing to do is to let them know that you are there for them and pulling for them without enabling. It is a fine thin line.
As to something someone read, because something is written in a bound manuscript doesn’t make it true.
Which is exactly why I delete, and HAVE BEEN DELETING FOR WEEKS, the stupid fucking comments about “that book” yet, they continue to pop up like weeds, every single day.
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@Gilette, if you are saying that although she didn’t agree with whoever set this up, she was there for Kim b/ c she knew it wouldn’t be a good situation, I get it. Maybe that’s why Kathy wasn’t on the show as well.
Sadly, you can’t separate Kathy from her kid’s bad publicity. The public has to wonder and do because their antics were/are so outrageous.
Also, I think Kathy is a bit of a cypher, only shows up and is on film either making cutting remarks about a dress choice or talking about someone’s magic-trick-show. Very little is shown of her. Except Kim saying Kathy is a more supportive sister. Which leaves people thinking, hmmm, what is Kathy doing that is “supportive”.
Maybe your question needs to be directed at Kim. Why is Kathy now the fall guy …. because someone OTHER THAN KIM has to be. Right?
jimny christmas, **cipher**
I think because Kim loves whoever enables her, and she speaks so highly of “good sister” Kathy, people are assuming Kathy must be an enabler. Not taking into account that the addict may just be lying.
Iam here for it! *sits next to unholyspork* #NoShame
I’m bringing doughnuts!!
THANK YOU. Finally someone else admits they are just as amused by this as me. Glad to see another honest person DOES exist on the internets.
I’m looking forward to the Dr Phil interview too. Sequoia, Maybe you need to chill out. Sounds like Phil is going to give Kimmycakes the straight talk she’s been needing all of her adult life. Love him or hate him, Dr Phil is straight shooter. She may not like what he says but she won’t leave there wondering what he means. In my opinion, she needs to take his advice. And his free offer for treatment. Even if it means she misses Brooks second wedding and doesn’t get to see the same doctor that has been unable to successfully treat her in the past.
Wow. That is the Kim we all have watched for years.
Exactly. Kindly stop pretending it was a momentary lapse, Kim.
holyterror44,
I agree… From watching this trailer, it looks like Kim thought she was going to play it off as… “I had a bad week, RHBH reunion upset me, Monty is not doing well, etc…) and I downed a glass of vodka in a moment of weakness, and THEN REALIZED (after I was arrested and made an ass out of myself) What have I done??”
She was SHOCKED at the prospect of an intervention. She thought wrong. As TT stated above, Dr Phil does not play.
I wish her well. She seems so fragile.
Kim deludes herself into thinking she should and does have control of the situation (by that I mean the “approved” story that you just described). When people are honest with her, she gets nasty.
I am feeling hopeful that Dr. Phil is getting help for Kim’s children. She may have walked out and refused help (as Miss Tattles reported so accurately!), but they may benefit from the experience. If Kim doesn’t want help, so be it, but her kids need to be freed from this cycle. I’m thrilled he questioned her parenting. How many times have we heard Kim say all she cares about is her kids?
Amen. After hauling them before the cameras, let’s hope Dr. Phil does something for her kids.
Phil is not a magician and he can’t perform miracles. I watched him during the Natakee Holloway investigation and he did so much harm to those trying to find answers that I lost all respect for him. As a small part of that investigation I will never forgive his interference in the process. He is a ratings whore and that’s how I view him..not as a doctor with the objective of “first do no harm”.
I think you are confusing a doctor of philosophy in a discipline such as psychology with the medical dr’s oath of due no harm. Dr. Phil has a PhD, which makes him a doctor in his discipline, not a medical dr. He does not uphold to that oath.
I realize that Dr. Phil is not a psychiatrist and, yes, I am well aware that a psychiatrist is a medical doctor, and a PhD is not. I don’t know why you would presume something else that based on my comment. I said I hope he “does something” for the kids. I gave no indication that I hope he provides direct treatment. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone. My hope is that he directs them to someone qualified to assist them, just as he allegedly was offering to Kim. As for Kim, I suspect she DOES need a psychiatrist.
I was referring to the no harm comment. Not your post. 🙂
They’re not “kids”, in the sense of the word. They are now ADULT children, in their twenties, not like the Gosselin kids…(who suffer in their own right thanks to reality TV…)
I’ve watched him for years, and he seems pretty good about helping the victims of addicts. I hope he keeps Kim away from Brooke’s wedding.
It’s Brooke’s wedding. Brook is getting married. But something tells me that Kim’s the bridezilla.
That would be great for Dr. Phil to get help for her kids. I hadn’t thought of that, but I bet he does. They need to understand her addiction mentality, and how to handle her whether she gets well or not. And therapy for dealing with the damage shes done to them all these years. Sometimes its the people the addict has hurt that are forgotten in the equation. They need to be able to protect themselves going forward and enjoy their adult lives .
That may’ve been exactly what got Kim to rehab – Dr. Phil giving the kids permission to fully hand the problem back to Kim. Stand firm with their bottom lines. “As long as you’re using, you will not be a part of our lives, period. We will no longer cover for you / coddle you / or allow you around us (including “our brother Kingsley”) or our future children”.
ahh… she appeared to be on something in this clip. If she had really been sober for the past year (or three) and this was a slip, she would be humble and acknowledging her responsibility. I cannot wait to see if Dr. Phil gets through to her. Maybe Dr. Phil interviews Morty as well.
Uh yes Kim. Yes it is.
She can’t seriously be saying that the first timeshe had a drink in 3 years just happens to be the night she gets arrested.
What a coinky dink.
Told you she will maintain her sobriety. Everything is by accident when shes caught but shes still sober!
That brief clip seems to back up that story from yesterday. Are those the 3 kids that were mentioned in the story? I get them mixed up. I wonder if they will touch on why the other one isn’t there. Will also be interesting to see if they discuss Kyle. I am looking forward to hearing how this is her fault somehow.
I want to know who was having dinner with Kim there beforehand. The story is that she for some reason stayed behind after her party beat it and went to the Polo Lounge to drink and flip off strangers. How was she over dinner?
Every twist and turn in this saga is like red meat to starving dogs. Arf!
I am trying not to think about that too much and just watch this unfold, fingers crossed!
Arf! Minky, Merilyn & Katherine, I concur with your comments about a hungry audience eager to see this nasty woman’s comeuppance, especially after her callous treatment of Kingsley’s dreadful bite victims.
Yes. I’m feeling kinda sleezy for wanting her to be exposed for the manipulative Beach she is, maybe b/c as Minky points out, I’ve dealt with similar addict behaviors in my own family – altho not to this extent – this broad takes the cake!
In a more shallow vein (apologies in advance) pills & booze are hell on skin. Maybe another channel into her addled brain is through her vanity? Her habits are not doing her complexion any favors. (Arf, ouch?)
This chick never learned how to be anything but dysfunctional. She is fortunate to have had support systems in her life that many child stars don’t have.
What does a healthy Kim Richards look like? Is it even possible to salvage anything? I think we all want her to succeed. We would be her biggest cheerleaders if she really tries.
As for pills and booze and skin – don’t feel shallow for commenting. She’s a cautionary tale.
I will watch it but it is so sad. Seeing her daughter there to witness this whole mess is even more heartwrenching. Unfortunately I believe Kim is mentally still the age she was when she started using. She stopped growing emotionally and it shows. I have a brother who is a recovering addict, with many times over in rehab, and I also have a fiance who is 4 years sober. They both make the choice every day to NOT use their drugs of choice. And some days are better than others. I will continue to pray for her and her family.
I’ve heard that people’s maturity is arrested at the time they start to use. That seems true in this case — childish tantrums and LOCKING HERSELF IN THE BATHROOM/dressing room. Yeah, that’ll solve it.
Exactly. Arrested Development.
I think its true to a certain extent about getting stuck in an immature mind set when you abuse drugs starting as a teenager, and then you throw some narcissistic personality in there, and you have a person who cant mature. I had an experience with a guy like that. I was dumb enough to date him even though he had never ever had a relationship. Nothing was ever his fault. When all else failed he said but im just a child really. He was in his forties. He had done every drug around since teens and was a meth head for 12 years. He came across as sweet and caring but he actually was not a nice person at all and was rather cruel underneath the surface. Sounds like Kim somewhat. Now seeing more of Kim I see why she hasnt made a go of any of her marriages and relationships.
I think it’s great her kids are there. This damn addiction appears to have played a prime role in their lives. Her children & family are like prisoners of war & I believe Dr. Phil will help them hand the addiction 100% over to Kim & help them move forward with their lives. No more sweeping this under the carpet / no more lies. If an addict can’t find their rock bottom, a good intervention will find it for them & free all the hostages.
I’m confused. She pored a drink of this much vodka. Wait, do you get to pour your own drinks at the Polo Lounge? Kim go to rehab. Someone needs to say to her “You are not going to a certain event because I can not trust your actions at the present time.” It’s not going to be pretty when the reality of her situation hits her. Maybe no job. Maybe no sisters. Maybe no dog. Maybe a judgement against her for a million. Maybe . . .she is so close to loosing so much and doesn’t want to face it.
Maybe she poured the drink before the ventured over to the Polo Lounge. Another bad choice. I don’t know HOW you face the sort of mess she has made for herself. Maybe that’s why she did nothing about the court papers in the dog lawsuit. She is burying her head in the sand, trying to ignore it in the vain hope that it somehow goes *poof* and it’s all ok again in Kim’s world.
It sounds like she ordered a whole bottle of vodka, maybe for herself and whoever she was with to share. That clip also makes it sound like she’s saying that just a small amount of vodka could have gotten her shit faced enough to assault a police officer. More magical thinking.
I think Kim is capable of assaulting an officer with out being shit faced.
@Minky, just like poker night was the result of one little vicodin. Ya, right!
Shes full it. Kim came in all rehearsed with the one drink crap. Im glad someone will call her out on her mothering. Because I have my doubts she did that very well in 30yrs thanks to her addiction.i
It’s like when someone is pulled over for DUI. They say they only had one drink, but they probably had 3.
I think she confuses the issue on purpose. So aleady shes lying.
I think Kim is a practiced liar and li es even when it doesnt matter. Its second nature. Also prescription drugs are good memory erasers and alcohol too.
I never heard of ordering a bottle of vodka and mixing or pouring it yourself at a bar. Only heard of ordering wine or champagne by the bottle. But then again to Ive never seen anyone try it. Not sure why Kim said she poured the vodka.
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We use people’s REAL NAMES here not middleschool bullshit. If you want to call Dr. Phil a hillbilly that’s fine. but the bullshit names are not cute.
I’m so glad he’s holding her accountable. It’s starting, Lisa Rinna! It’s starting!
She’s similar to Nene in that regard. When the going gets tough, run away like a scared squirrel.
“Is this an intervention?” Um…duh
haha I think we were typing at the same time. (see me below)
Hehe. Great minds think alike!
“Is this an intervention?” Um..did she think it was an informal chat with a fellow tv personality?
I feel for her kids and other family members. Kim will never find an ideal time to go to rehab, and will use any excuse to put it off. Sad that her daughter may rather her mother be in treatment than at her wedding, and even sadder that Kim can’t see that herself.
No one in her family wants to be the “bad guy” telling the addict the truth because it’s hard and it’s painful. Dr Phil is an expert at it. I’m not his biggest fan but I do hope he was able to give Kim’s kids some good advice and coping skills they can draw on if she refuses the help he’s offering.
TT does this give you more confidence in the Daily Mail story than you may have had before?
Her kids look devastated. Their faces show that they’re at the end of their rope.
And body language. Whitney or Brooke whoever that is looked so over it.
Clearly Whitney is. She’s not there.
I can’t tell the difference between the two blondes. They look exactly the same.
yeah. My problem with DM is they pay for stories. And they actually posted (I think maybe, allegedly) that Bobbi Kristina was dead. I do know HWs sell them stories though. So everything is suspect.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:06 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Kim: “I’ve been rich and I’ve been famous but denial beats them both”
Lol!
Lololololol squared
Hahahaha!!!
So they made Kim think this was to rehab her image but it was really an intervention. Wow. Dr. Phil doesnt pussyfoot around.
It will be interesting to see what the kids say. I cant imagine what she has put them thru. Hopefully her love for herself or those kids are stronger than the addiction.
If her love for her kids were stronger than her addiction then she would’ve been in rehab and sober along time ago. Her addiction is still number one in her life and until that changes she will never be sober
Isn’t that the truth. Imagine a thing so powerful in your life that you choose it over your children. Addiction is a scary thing. I just don’t see Kim being strong enough to ever be sober for long. It’s just tragic.
I’m not sure that ANYTHING or ANYONE is stronger than the addiction itself. It takes over the brain and all of the functions so she can’t think like a normal person anymore. I doubt that she is deliberately harming her children but the disease is in control so she does what it tells her to do. At this moment, Kim is powerless. That’s why she needs help so desperately She can’t do this without help from qualified addiction specialists in a reputable rehab facility. She has tried and failed on more than one occasion so the prognosis looks grim.
There are thousands (millions?) of addicts out there whose addiction is stronger than their love for their kids. It’s heartbreaking but true. Luckily, some of them get help to get clean & become the parents their kids deserve. It’s also why there is alateen & other programs for the children of addicts. >
She had to realize an intervention could happen. It’s dr Phil!!!!!
No, she doesn’t believe anyone can be deceptive like she can.
She thinks we all believe her lies.
She believes her lies.
Was she really telling Dr. Phil that she only had a shot of vodka and that caused her to start acting so crazy that police were called? Kim’s lies arent even believable.
It’s hard to tell from a 30 second clip. But it does seem like that’s what she’s gonna try and do. It’s gonna be like the nonsense she tried to spin regarding Monty’s pain pill (just one pill and because she was in pain). Only this time it’s just one little drink and it was not really so bad to do because she’s been going through a lot. Sigh.
Minky, according to her kids she is drinking, taking drugs and smoking pot.
My heart breaks for Monty who has terminal, lung, brain and spinal cancer who appears to be taking care of her rather than vice versa. Just horrible…
Perhaps Kim should visit the world famous Michelin star restaurant Chez Corneille, the chefs tasting menu would be the perfect choice
Amuse Bouche, Crow Puff with rhubarb vinaigrette and creme fraiche
Petit Caprese Salad with crow jus gastric and balsamic reduction( LVP suggestion)
Poached crow egg on seared trot fillet
Crow Consomme with seed tuille
Fillet Mignon stuffed with Roquefort and crow mousse
Crow beak sorbet
Camembert with sour cherries and crow glee’ en croute
and lastly….
A big ole piece of house made humble pie a’ la mode
You are funny. And wash it down with a big bottle of unfiltered blond (a non- alcoholic verision of course.)
Ha! Perfect
There’s actually a gin called Three Feathers — that would be a perfect accompaniment.
I really hope Dr. Phil holds no punches and gets through to her! Those poor kids – their Dad is dying and now, even when the truth becomes public, their Mom remains in denial. Get her into rehab and counseling asap.
Her kids are the real victims here. The look on her daughter Kimberly’s face was so sad but also telling- of the crap that these kids have witnessed throughout their lives. I love that Dr. Phil put her in her place in front of the kids because I’m sure they haven’t been allowed to confront her and hopefully he will help them. Kim is not a victim- maybe in her own mind- but its her decision to go to Re-hab or not (my money’s on the latter) . The kids need to get away from Kim, until she gets sober, REAL-life sober.
I agree. Dr. Phil is mostly worried about her kids and they are who he hopes to help (he probably realizes there is not much hope for Kim)/
Dr. Phil is a big advocate for kids and young people who have had to live through parents fighting all the time ,or abusing substances. He allways says you change who they are (kids) ,by subjecting them to this abusive unstable, unsafe chaos. Thats a powerful message ,and one people forget or dont own.
Agreed! Getting her to go doesnt cut it! If she doesnt hit some sort of bottom than she’ll never complete a full program. Then she’s probably so deep into it, Kim nothing will shake her other then death. Im not saying that to be cold, Im saying that to be real.
Coco- you’re so right. She has the finances to buy her drugs and friends so there’s nothing the kids can do other than withhold themselves to make her hit bottom. The kids need to stay away unless she completes the program and goes to sober living. She is so deep that a 30 day program will not do any good. – We will see if she loves her kids more than she loves her drugs……
Hell no 30 days is not enough. 30 days, 30 yrs = JOKE. She needs the long term rehab, maybe 90 days would be a great start. Yet Kim has to want it for herself. Then she might not anyhow.
Veterans of addicts call 30 days a spin dry. Not useful unless maybe you are trying to kick coffee. And even then….
Imagining how sick with worry Brooke must be having her Mother at her wedding. Even when Kim is behaving she is embarrassing.
Kim getting in fights and insulting a business associate of Brooke’s husband. My stomach turns at the thought of Kim attending.
Which makes me wonder, again. What the hell did Kyle do at Wedding #1 that pissed Kim off. Maybe I should rephrase. What the hell does Kim THINK Kyle did? OR What did BRANDI convince her to think Kyle did? Some shit happened. It’s very unclear.
Minky, LVP confirmed Kyle did nothing at Brookes first wedding just like Alexia did nothing to deserve being bit. Just more blaming and deflecting to get that bright light off herself. Rinse, lather, repeat.
I’m also confused. Someone please tell me why this wedding is such a momentous occasion if the “bride” is already married. This is the second wedding to the same person? I think Ms. Tattles told us, but I don’t remember…
@Kate62 There ya go. Nothing happened. So, more fabrications on Kim’s part. That actually makes it even more weird. Why is Kim mad at Kyle over something that DIDN’T happen at Wedding #1? I know Brandi got out the Kitchen Aid to stir up some shit. I’m just wondering what kind of shit?
Minky, could Kim be pissed because of the 2nd home Kyle purchased in Palm Desert, wasn’t the wedding around the same time as the purchase. I know one has nothing to do with the other but after all this is Kim we’re discussing here. She is all eat up with envy regarding Kyle’s life and it’s the only thing I can attribute her outrageous hate towards Kyle on.
I think it was Brandi, who wasnt at the wedding, who said Kyle did “something heinous”. She was trying to pull “What did Harry do” on Kyle.
Wedding one was hastily pulled together for close family and friends just for Monty to be able to walk Brooke down the aisle. The second is the destination wedding she was planning all along with all her friends and family.
Nothing happened.
@ Lizbeth. Brooke originally planned a big destination wedding to be held in May. When they found out about the seriousness of Monty’s condition, they decided to have a small family wedding so Monty could walk her down the aisle and see her get married (or Kim needed a story line) because no one knew what his condition would be in May. IMO Kim is more concerned with starring as the mother of the bride at the big destination wedding than facing her issues. She knows she needs rehab on some level.
@Kate62 I’ve been thinking about the Palm Springs house that you mentioned. I think you’re right. Something about that situation really steams Kim’s broccoli. Kyle apparently has the receipts to prove that everything was done fair and square, but Kim’s still bitching about it.
By the way, I’ve been to Palm Springs. I really don’t get why anyone would ever want to have a vacation home there. It’s icky, and really hard to find good food. I’d rather have a place in the mountains or in wine country. Especially if you live by the beach in perpetually warm weather already. I guess Palm Springs is like California’s version of Boca Raton. Anyhoo…
Maybe Kim thinks that Kyle highjacked the attention away from her at the wedding. Kim’s all about being the center of attention. I just can’t figure it out.
The molehill: Kyle was a little late as she had flown in from Spain. Not late where festivities were delayed, late where she wasn’t sitting for an hour beforehand.
The mountain: KYLE WAS LATE TO MY DAUGHTER’S WEDDING
End of story.
Okay, I’m just gonna say after seeing that brief blink of an eye look on Kimberlys face when her mother said “is this an intervention?” Makes me absolutely detest this woman! The bewildered look on that child’s face was heart breaking, we have seen that
very same look on Kyles face when confronted with her sisters’ volcanic eruptions. She has caused so much pain for her children. Kim I will make you a promise that IF you survive long enough to even see your first grandchild, you can count on never being a huge part of that child’s life. Brooke will have a husband that will put distance between your addictons and their child. How do I know this? Because my husband had to make the choice for our daughter regarding my own parents because my brain was so messed up on what was normal. What you are going realize is that while your children love you, one day soon they will have children that they will love more than you. You will end up being exactly where you have chosen to be, alone with your addictions. May God have mercy on you then, even though you won’t deserve it.
She did look like Kyle there. The “wtf is happening ” face.
Kim is unpredictable. Especially when she doesn’t have total control of how any given situation is gonna go. Her excuses aren’t working and she doesn’t have a plan B.
So true Kate62, so true. We’ve seen adult women totally chased off by Kim’s behavior (Lisa R, LVP, Kyle, etc). Imagine what these young people have had thrown at them when she’s been angry. It can truly screw up your sense of what’s acceptable, really mess up your boundaries.
I miss trash can adjacent praying, squirrel feeding Kim.
Okay, so Kim goes on Dr. Phil’s show and then acts surprised when he confronts her about her addiction? WTF. I’m going to have to tune into this. Feel bad for her kids ’cause she is delusional and sick.
For the love of god this woman needs help!! Enough already…get some help before you die and completely ruin your children’s lives. Someone needs to shake the crap out of her.
YASSSSS!!!
Bravo TT and I hope Andy watches, beyond redemption
I think Kim thought she was going to do an Oprah or Barbara Walters-like type of interview and instead she got Dr. Phil and an intervention! Lol I find that hilarious. Yes, Im sitting on the naughty bench and I dont care who knows it!
MOVE OVER cause I’m sitting beside you!
Room for one more? Maybe we should have a naughty stadium…
I’ll bring doughnuts!!!
I don’t see anything hilarious about it.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 11:25 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Kim expecting to steamroll Dr. Phil in a fluff piece interview and instead getting someone who sees thru the BS is not funny…ok.
Hands up if you’d pay good money to see Brandi being confronted by Dr. Phil.
Omg I’ve got both hands up!
Bing, bing, bing, I’m IN, start the first round!
OMG, Hands up! I want to see and hear macho Texan Dr. Phil say tampon string. Lol
Oh yeah!
Phil’s gonna need some back up if he’s gonna fool with Brandi. Judge Judy to the rescue! “Don’t pee on my head and tell me it’s raining!”
Question for Our Grand Dame, Tamara: so since they are between contracts (season’s over, renewal letters have not gone out yet, everyone is in limbo), does this mean that they are not bound Bravo interview rules? Is there was no Bravo lawyer or PR flak off camera?
I think they are allowed to do things like talk shows (to promote the show) without having to ask. I am sure they are pissed that Kim went out of NBCu for this story but I imagine it was an instance of “better to ask for forgiveness than permission.”
As for their inbtween contracts, there are stipulations in the contract that run for a year after their last episode airs regarding mostly reality TV, but also other acting shows.
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I would imagine anything they do would be in furtherance of promoting the show, and, maybe to some sick Bravo exec, they are taking an “any publicity is good publicity” approach to this. I’ll be interested to see if they show any clips from BHOBH, though, or if it will all be interviews or, g-d forbid, re-enactments.
Kim has to want help. She has to hit rock bottom and she hasn’t yet unfortunately. Dr. Phil is putting it in her face and not helping her cover it up. Her entire family needs to step away from her including her children. I’m really that if kim is left to herself she will end up dead. Maybe she needs a near death experience…what is her rock bottom? It’s scary.
I have seen some intervention shows, where the person was really brow beaten into going, and didnt want to go at all. And surprisingly ,they ended up doing really well, once they were clear headed, and loved being sober so much. People are so unpredictable and so different , its probably a case of noy one size fits all. Exceot for co dependency and e nabeling. I think those approaches really never work. Truth be told ,theres probably not a high success rate. But theres allways hope.
But at some point the person does need to want it for themselves. If not initially , then somewhere down the line. Theres got to be some pay off to beng sober for them to remain so. I think the meetings are important too to get support on many levls. I kbe a woman who was alcoholic and doing well and counted on her new husband to keep her sober. When after several years he started cheating on her all hell broje loose. Within a year or so she was dead from liver failure. She couldnt take that betrayl and loss and it killed her literally.
Kathy was there. I assume she organized this. Do you think that a) she organized it thinking that they could spin this and do damage control or b) she knew exactly what Dr. Phil would do and thought it was what Kim needed? I don’t know anything about Dr. Phil, but it sounds like from what TT said that this is his MO, so I am wondering if this was a calculated ploy on part of Kathy and the kids as they thought this was the only way of getting through to her.
I think it was both A and B…but neither is going to work because Kim is not going to go. She has to be ready and she’s not..she’s still in denial.
Yes, I was also wondering if the family had a pre-intervention of sorts with Dr. Phil prior to this taping.
Or Kathy arranged it and knew exactly what was going to happen and didn’t want to have to pay for Kim’s rehab?
I’m honestly so pleased that her bullshit is finally being called out and she is being held accountable. I’m happy about it because the universe makes sense. Bad people must suffer consequences and when they don’t the world seems like a scary and confusing place. This makes sense. She should be upset and running out of a room because she’s “just can’t”. I like web things make sense. Oh and also, I really fucking hate Kim Richards, so it pleases me on a personal level as well.
Kim knows a lot of “family secrets” for sure. Kyle, Kathy, Maurecio, et al are pretty much blackmail victims of this “loose cannon”. They must be worried that she will spew secrets as well as LIES to get her way. This seems true of Kyle anyway. Maurecio probably advises Kyle how to deal with her sister. Kim is controlling the whole family with her addiction. I would assume at this point the daughters have had enough and may have more to do with the intervention (hopefully that is what this is) than is realized.
What family secrets do these people have that is so bad that they would be held hostage by Kim? Do they have people buried in their basement? I think at this point no secret is worth putting up with this.
Couldn’t have said it better!
Excellllllent!
You guys do know that Dr Phil is a long time family friend of the Fosters, right?
Of course Dr Phil is friends with David Foster who, btw, was at Kim’s second wedding. It’s the West coast version of the South’s kissin cuzzins.
Dr Phil was at Kim’s second wedding??? That’s new news to me.
@Gilette. David Foster was not at Kim’s wedding. Nor was Dr Phil (that I know of) I apologize. I was thinking of Christmas parties at The Knoll.
Ah. Makes more sense.
I cannot wait to see this, finally someone is going to ask her the hard questions. Denial is strong as hell in addiction, you need to get smacked in the face with some reality and accountability.
She deserves smacking just for being such an asshole.
Agreed lol
Major denial, manipulation & deflection going on. Very familiar to me. My family – when they were still alive – reeked of it. I had read about “personal exception” awhile ago, and it makes perfect sense in Kim’s case.
The theory is that personal exception is a mindset of most addicts when they are in the thick of it. Their “logic” goes something like this. (using *blah as a filler for drinking, drugging, lying, bad behavior etc)
If *blah is not acceptable to the “ordinary people” in my life that’s THEIR problem not mine.
I am NOT ordinary – I am special.
Therefore, my *blah is exempt because MY circumstances are different/special.
Check out Kim’s expression around the 15 second mark. It has stifled smirk written all over it.
Fallout, your description of personal exception is very interesting. Thank you for presenting that.
Thanks, Fascinated. That’s just my interpretation. I broke it down and applied it to my own experiences to try and make sense of the senseless and to heal. It helped me realize I couldn’t save them and that I needed to let go of the “what ifs” and the worst one “if you loved me you wouldn’t do this” guilt trips.
It might mean something totally different to others. 🙂
I remember being struck by Kims shut down tuning out stance. When Eileen tried very nicely to bring Kim a nd Kyle together at the lunch she invited them to, Kim wouldnt even look at Eileen, while she was talking about her sisters deaths ,and how you cant get that time back. That was so odd to me. It wasnt even a talk about addiction and Kim was like a stone wall. But with Brandi Kim lights up like a Christmas tree. I think Kim finds Brandi to be fun. Peopke who drink and use drugs tend to be all about the fun. Thats what they seek more than anything. They dont really care about whether the person is a good person or not. Thats been my experience anyway.
To me, that 15 second mark smirk looks like “I’m a little girl who’s done wrong but aren’t I too cute to punish?” She’s been using that look for a looong time. She’ll always be a child. >
I hate that smirk, almost as much as her “I know something that you don’t” face.
Fortunately for Kim & her family, Dr. Phil doesn’t do cute. Interventions yes, but not cute.
do interventions really work? doesn’t the addict have to want help? I still don’t understand how a “caring” family does this on tv….
Interventions can be very powerful. Caring families will do this on tv for many reasons. Two positive reasons are because often times the production company will alleviate the costs for treatment. Treatment is very expensive. Second, the family hopes to bring awareness to other family members that they cannot do it alone, that often times they are enabling the addict, and they receive support through social media after to help them stay strong. Persons living with addictions can also see that their addiction may be causing the same problems and they get to see how it affects the rest of the family. Yes there are fame whores and yes it appears as if people are exposing everyone’s secrets for ratings or money but that is a large part of the addiction culture. Keep your secrets secret. Just let the addict do what they want, eventually they will choose family over substance, or worse let them hit rock bottom. People living with addictions do not have to hit rock bottom in order to change. There are many reasons for quitting and many relapses that take place. It is a healing journey. I appreciate the families having the courage to ask for help and I appreciate Dr. Phil answering their call. AND MOSTLY I appreciate TT for creating discussion forums about these shows so that people can experience varying perspectives for what ever reason you read and respond and watch.
If nothing else comes out of this hopefully the family will realize that what will make Kim want to change is to have all of the family members state to Kim that they are aware that they HAVE been enabling her and will no longer; that they will break contact with her until she takes steps to change her behavior/addiction. Sometimes this is enough to make the addict take positive steps to change; sometimes. Looks like the daughters are ready to take this step. Like all of the other posters have intimated; the daughters will then find out if they are more important to her than the alcohol/substances.
Awesome answer Fascinated.
Also, I would add that sometimes seeing your actions on TV can be very enlightening.
I agree about the tv part for most people, but clearly it had zero effect on Kim. If you or I had seen ourselves strung out and belligerent like she was on poker night, it would have probably been a come to Jesus moment. I just don’t understand that she wasn’t humiliated by her behavior, and even went on to be both aggressive and defensive during the reunion. The real karma moment came when she accused Lisa of … what is that called, hmm …battery! That certainly came around and bit her in the ass.
I would like to say something on a serious note. Kim will never choose alcohol or drugs over her children. She will always love her children. Addiction just over powers a person. However, Kim may not love herself enough to get clean and sober. It sounds cold but sometimes it just becomes too late for the addict and they die. It happens. It does not mean that they did not love their children or their family. Trust me I know from personal experience.
Your point about her loving her children is true. It is easy for me to think that the person living with addictions loves their drug over their family but in reality they have little control over saying no. I say little control because many addicts identify that in order to change they need to start making choices (hard choices). I suspect the guilt and shame of addiction prevents the addict from seeing the love that is offered, but does love their family very much.
“Keep your secrets secret”
I commend the family for confronting Kim and not keeping her secrets. Should something happen to Kim – like an overdose or suicide – they might be able to take a tiny step forward knowing they tried to get her help. Secrets often continue, even after the addict dies. Help is help, no matter what avenue they took to get it.
Dr. Drew allways says hitting rock bottom ,is too often likely to be death. So he doesnt advcate waiting for rock bottom. My niece staged an tervention fir her mom and made all the arrangements for the rehab to be in pkace for her to go ahead of time. Her mm went and was much better for a year but she died in her sleep later on. Guess the damage done was too great or she relapsed. Im not sure. She was bipolar as well.
It’s like the old joke: How many psychologists does it take to change a lightbulb? One. But the lightbulb has to WANT to change.
I wonder if Brandi is upset that Kim’s situation is getting all of the press rather than the launch of Brandi’s wine line.
I thought the same thing. It’s probably not helpful when your BFF’s addiction overshadows the launch of your wine line.
heh.
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I am a sick puppy and cannot wait to watch this. I could care less about Kim and the choices she continues to make. I feel bad for helpless animals and children who have no control over unfortunate situations – rich-ass spoiled former child star who can’t seem to stay on the wagon or deal with her psychoemotional issues? Not so much. Meh…
I guess it’s possible Kim is already tucked away safely in rehab. Guess we’ll have to wait until after the interview airs to find out.
Everything out of Kim’s mouth is a lie. She doesn’t even know what the truth is anymore. It’s really sad. GET HELP!
Well Monty took full responsibility for Kim’s “first” relapse, and as soon as Kingley gets a twitter account, he’ll take full responsibility for her “second” relapse.
Good one!
That’s enabling right there. Nobody is ever responsible for your relapse other than yourself, and the “relapse” cycle begins LONG before you pick up the drug or drink. That’s the final step in the regression. If you really know the signs, the road begins well before- when you start behaving like Kim. No accountability, no responsibility, no program, no sponsor, etc. I learned in treatment, and it has proven true to me in my 3 yrs sober- an person’s behavior will tell you everything you need to know about themselves and the state of their “recovery”. Kim’s actions speak for themselves.
Sigh. In an effort to save $ I decided to become a cord cutter. Now I don’t know what the hell is going on and will have to wait to see the show.
Even so, Kim’s substance abuse seem more like self-medicating. Kim has other, deeper and perhaps intractable issues going on. God it would suck to get sober work hard to apply the steps only to find you are still crazier than a shithouse rat.
But at least you’d have a shot at grappling with the read issue, if you’ve got the guts. And I don’t believe Kim does.
Appropos of nothing, last time I watched Kyle it struck me that even though she can be very annoying, she’s the most grounded and least pretentious of her siblings. It’s kind of scary when Kim gets her to-the-manor born mask on and Kathy does the same from what I’ve seen of her. Sorry for the rambling. Hope it made sense. Ish.
perfect sense.
Apropos of nothing, he said his name was William, or Will, or Mac, or Buddy – and he’s plain ugly to me. I wonder if he’s ever had a day of fun in his whole life.
I’ve realized Kim is totally into drug culture, like Monty. She’s a very bad addict with the pitbull, the druggy boyfriend, being constantly loopy and thinking it’s funny. Not saying she doesn’t have other issues, because she does.