Kyle has a lot to say this week in her blog:
So, our last night in Amsterdam! We spent our last night at dinner, laughing and enjoying ourselves like we should have been all along. Meanwhile, Brandi was on a “date” with Max’s friend. It all seemed creepy and strange, but I suppose Brandi would say (even though we’re four years apart in age) that I’m just a “Menopause Mama.” To each his own.
The more people keep saying that Brandi was fucking “Max’s friend” the more unlikely the scenario seems to me. It would have been more believable if it were someone connected to Yolanda. What are the chances of running into one of Max’s friends in Holland?
We returned back to Los Angeles, and I have never been so happy to get off that plane and run for the hills. Literally.
Back in LA, we see Brandi meet up with Yolanda and inform her that her dad has been ill. I can imagine how upsetting that is. Also, being jet lagged and emotionally drained doesn’t help. While Yolanda gets her IV drip and Brandi gets her facial, Brandi seems to not get what all the women are upset with her about. What Brandi didn’t see or hear is that we ALL told Lisa R. that it was wrong to throw the glass. Terrible. But the difference is Lisa R. immediately says that she knows she was wrong. Another difference is Lisa R. ( while wrong) felt she was provoked. Brandi’s attacks seem to come out of the blue, making it impossible to trust her or be comfortable around her.
Yes, Brandi thinks she is being funny when she attacks people. Lisa R knows she lost control. Big difference.
Brandi goes on to say that she doesn’t think it’s fair that everyone just dropped Lisa R. and Kim’s argument. That was THEIR choice. It was their argument, and that’s what they decided to do. A mutual decision. I was also confused by that and struggled to just drop what had happened.
I don’t get Yolanda always wanting to teach Brandi a lesson. She is not her mother and is only eight years older than her. It’s as if she’s talking to a teenager. It’s time for Brandi to grow up and take responsibility for her own actions and the consequences that come with them.
Brandi is very clearly both mentally and emotionally retarded. I don’t think she has the capacity to mature at this point. There is something fundamentally wrong with her. This is why people treat her like a child. She has the intellect and the maturity of a child.
Kim meets up with Adrienne and fills her in on Amsterdam. I don’t understand why Kim insists that I ran after Lisa R. the night of their fight. This comes up at the reunion as well. I ran out first when the glass started flying. I only came back to get my purse. She wants to make it sound like I sided with Lisa R. Kim screamed at me that night and said some very mean things. I didn’t want to be around her at that moment. I wasn’t choosing Lisa R. over Kim. I was choosing to get out of that environment.
Between poker night, the Gay Mixer, our lunch with Eileen, the plane in Calgary, and then Amsterdam, I needed to get away. I couldn’t brush everything under the carpet anymore. Our relationship had taken had a horrible turn for the worse, and this is a side of Kim I choose not to be around.
Yay for boundaries!
After my conversation with Lisa R., where she told me Brandi had concerns about Kim, I was frustrated that Brandi was discussing these things with Lisa R., while at the same time telling Kim that Lisa R. was going around talking about her. Why did she fail to mention to Kim that SHE also took part in this “talk” and was expressing the same concerns for Kim? Brandi was also going on and on about Eileen and Lisa R. talking about Kim. Didn’t Brandi also sit on the beach with her friend Jennifer and talk about Kim? And what about her conversation with Lisa R. saying “Isn’t everyone worried about Kim?” Brandi was clearly playing both sides and Kim had no idea.
I’m going to guess that Kim overlooks Brandi’s behavior and continues to blame everyone else. What do I win?
I wanted Kim and I to spend some time away from everyone, so we went to to Palm Desert. Like we always do. It is normally a two-hour drive and an easy getaway. For people who live in LA, it’s the most common weekend escape.
We hadn’t spoken since Amsterdam, so it was obviously awkward. Getting into all of this with cameras around is not easy. For five years now, people have thought that I “stole” my sister’s house. I never spoke up to defend or explain myself, because that would mean I would have to discuss private information that would make my sister more angry with me. When she brought it up again this time, after we had spoken about it in private and cleared it up, I wasn’t going to just sit back again and have my character and integrity attacked. Let me make it clear, since I believe many are still confused. It’s quite simple: My sisters BOTH wanted me to buy them out of our Mother’s house. I did so. Paying them BOTH an equal amount. Why would Kim accept anything less? For whatever reason, as years passed, she thought I paid Kathy more. NOT the case. Which is why I brought up the deposited checks AGAIN. I do not want to go into more private details , even though in doing so it would explain my side MUCH more clearly.
I wish you didn’t let shit like this bother you. The people who watch the shows should be of no concern to you. Twitter in particular is something you should give up. You are way too tenderhearted for it.
Another thing: To the people that imply my sister solely paid for the home with her childhood earnings is an insult to my mom. My parents moved to Los Angeles before I was born and built a beautiful home here in Bel Air. Once my parents divorced, yes, Kim worked. So did I. You can check out my IMDB to confirm that. Our Mom was our manager and worked her butt off to run my sisters and I around to audition after audition and juggled with my grandmother between the studios with Kim and me. Kathy dabbled in acting. She wasn’t really into it but was an amazing singer with an incredible voice. My mom sold our home in Bel Air, then moved to Beverly Hills and eventually settled in the Desert.
I was the executer of our mother’s trust. She asked me to hold onto the house for 10 years and then sell it. I think that was because it was so hard to face dying and think of all her most prized possessions no longer being a part of our lives as well. Business wise, it was a terrible investment, because we were losing money. But I had made that promise to my mom, so we hung onto it. We finally came to the decision after 12 years to sell the home. It was difficult, because it was very sentimental to all of us. I told Kim, and we discussed her daughter Brooke having the listing and maybe my daughter Farrah as well. They could share the listing. SO, Kim had plenty of warning that we were selling the house and plenty of time to come say her goodbyes. Whether she did or not was up to her.
Anyway, that is that. It’s painful to keep going over this time and time again. I want to put it to rest. I just wish Kim and I could see eye to eye. I am hopeful that one day this will all be behind us.
I find it weird that the baby and the favorite was the executor. I find it even weirder that a will would force the beneficiaries to hold on to a home for ten years. On second reading that seems like a verbal agreement between Kyle and her mother.
I think the one thing Kyle has learned about Kim is that she uses their history against kyle, only because Kim knows kyle won’t reveal details. Now I think gloves are off. Details about the house are finally coming out, only because Kim has used it against kyle. Brandi and kim are very much alike, Brandi uses supposition and innuendo without facts. I still think Kyle is a drama queen and is an appearance addict. But I also think she has learned letting other people speak your truth is no truth at all.
I’m glad for Kyle that she was able to come to the conclusion that she needs to stay away from her sister when she’s like she’s been. What we’ve seen on air is bad enough, who knows what she’s had to deal with privately during the same time frame. Also while you’re right she shouldn’t let shit like what people think of the house deal bother her, I’m actually kind of glad she addressed it publicly because her sister damn sure did in an ugly way.
Totally agree. People can say what they will about Kyle but I believe she’s quite sensitive & has been afraid of Kim’s rage for years. Instead of letting Kim steamroll over her (again), I’m glad she spoke up & as TT said – is setting boundaries. Let’s just hope she doesn’t waver (& let’s hope for her sake she doesn’t get too confident – because those who have such an inexplicable hatred for her will have even more ammo to use against her).
ETA: I’ve noticed Kyle more than any other housewife, on any other franchise, she’s damned if she does, damned if she doesn’t. She can’t win. People have such a visceral reaction / such hatred towards her – I don’t get it! The Richards’ sisters have clearly had an “unusual” life – it’s surprising she’s as normal as she is (also surprising she’s as sane as she is after dealing with Kim all these years).
Yeah I don’t get it either. All of those sisters were pushed in front of a camera from a very young age. You really can’t blame any of the three of them for being fucked up. I think Kyle came out the sanest, but she has been through a lot with the others.
Kyle has her faults, just like everyone else, but they seem minimal in comparison to the rest of the family. And her kids seem to be mentally healthy whereas the other two both have kids with serious issues.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 12:01 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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i think Kyle has sort of a perpetual victim syndrome going on and brings on a lot of it on herself.. Whining pleading crying.. Continuing to engage with crazy.. This is the first time I’ve seen her come from a place of strength. I hope this translates to real life as well. Go Kyle!!
I would imagine after being a victim of Kim’s BS for all these years, it’s pretty hard to hide & it translates on screen. Kyle clearly loves her sister but is the same degree of love returned? In my eyes, not so much.
I think that it’s time cor Mauricio to speak out (he knows ALL of the details about the house and much more). He should also defend his wife even if it is about her sister. Enough of Kim’s horrible behavior and everyone enabling her to continue behaving like the witch she has turned into. I am tired of seeing that shrew yelling and screaming at people and she has become ugly and unpleasant to watch. This is NOT entertainment and not fun and it has nothing to do with the glamorous Beverly Hills lifestyle that we were promised when the show first started. It’s ugly and personal and if I want to watch a soap opera I will do so (where this crap belongs), not a show about the rich lives of the ladies of Beverly Hills. I’d rather see Lisa V’s closet any day over screaming, bitter faced Kim, lying, drunken Brandi and the constantly wounded Kyle. They need to revamp this mess into something resembling the lifestyles of the rich and famous instead of a how resembling American Horror Story.
I see so many correlations between The Richard sisters family fights vs The Guidice/Gorga family fights except I see a light at the end of the tunnel for Kyle and Kim.
I think season 2 of Kyle and Kim was raw and very revealing of their feud. The season 1 finale was that moment that really showed the crack and it carried over into season 2. They had a great relationship season 3-4 but I feel the gas adding fuel to the fire is Brandi Glanville. That lady is trying her best to take Kyle down and she can call her menopausal, a bitch, call out her husband all she wants and she knows that won’t really phase Kyle (and it really hasn’t; although she’ll complain) but her achellis heal is Kim; she knows being friends with Kim and straight up repeating private info is making Kyle fume. That speaks levels of the kind of person Brandi is.
I don’t get the Kyle hate either. She seems like a fun friend and a good mom. Her daughters are well adjusted, polite, nice, and are getting an education, unlike other relatives in that family. The girls look like they have a great relationship with their mom and dad. Good parenting, imo.
Kim, I’m sorry to say, has a pickled brain. She remembers history differently, due to the pickling. Kyle should probably start recording every conversation they have so she can play it back to her later.
Hey, thanks for the Estimated Time of Arrival!
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What about Kenya? I don’t think Kyle is nearly as automatically hated as Kenya. I could probably think harder inn the subject if I cared…
She had an unusual life and a sister with addiction and possible mental problems. I give her credit for all we know that she’s done. I also give credit to all the other people in similar situations across the country and spanning the globe–many without the resources, financial and otherwise, that the Richards were lucky enough to have.
During her 1st season (or 2?) Kenya pulled several boner moves that really pissed people off but in my eyes she’s pretty much redeemed herself (+ Apollo admitting he lied helped). Kyle on the other hand, other than calling Kim out in the limo, people still have a bad reaction towards her. Maybe after this season, the tides will also change for Kyle .
I’m going to go out on a limb and blame it on Disney’s treatment of children (and others). It’s a scary company, and nothing like what people believe. I worked for them for 8 years (as an adult), and almost didn’t survive it.
The Disney image is just that: an image. It isn’t real.
Oops. Allegedly, of course.
@bliss In any dysfunctional family, whether due to alcoholism, a sick family member, abuse, etc, there are roles that each child takes on. Its very difficult to distance yourself from that role, especially around your family, even if you are working on it with a therapist. The dynamics of the family and the behaviors of each, are so ingrained, it does take minimal to no contact to be able to become healthy in your own right. And if you do, the family gets angry, subconsciously, that you are no longer in your role/playing the game because a huge piece of the game is then missing.
@tt All of the kids were pushed, but ultimately Kim was the breadwinner, regardless of Kyle’s Imdb. I can’t help but think that Big Kathy held Kim as the standard (too much responsibility/pressure for a child) and Kathy and Kyle never lived up to their mother’s standard. Kathy only did when she married a Hilton. I agree Kyle appears to be the healthiest emotionally, but that family has a ton of complicated issues. I guarantee Big Kathy was a narcissist, among other things, which causes heinous emotional damage to the children. I feel badly for the three ddaughters and their children. It’s quite a legacy.
Megyn, I’ll cosign that! Kyle should really consider al-anon. I bet it would help her a lot.
@megynwhite your statement about overcoming family dynamics is excellent. It is difficult to break free from the role created by a family dynamic. If you are the fuck-up, getting your life together is thwarted at every attempt. If you are the responsible one, you are expected to fix everything at the expense of your own happiness.
@bliss YES! Al-Anon would help her tremendously. I used to go during my first marriage and it really was amazing. Somehow, I don’t remember!, they’re able to teach YOU (me, Kyle, whomever) to come to a sort of peace with the alcoholic family member. What I do remember is not taking responsibility for the alcoholic (let them fuck up!) and not feeling guilty about setting boundaries.
@sweetT thank you 🙂 unfortunately, or fortunately, depends on how I look at it, I know this wholly from experience. I’ve had my role in my family (alcoholic father/narcissistic mother) as the scapegoat. As the years have passed and, thru therapy, I get healthier, I lose a parent, or another sibling. They really do get pissed off when you “leave” the dysfunction. But instead of looking at themselves, they prefer to think/say I’m “crazy”, “sensitive”, etc. I’m finally at the point where I just think “whatever” 🙂
Their mother knew Kim had substance abuse issues and had Kyle to agree on keeping the home in case Kim couldn’t put a roof over her then minor children in the event Kim was not able to because of her living in the bottle. Just a thought.
I agree with you Kate. I totally believe Kyle’s side. I get why Big Kathy left her estate to Kyle over Kim. Kim is not a responsible person plus she’s a hot mess in terms of her addiction. That house wouldn’t made it to 12 years had Kim been executive of the estate. This has surely been one damning season for Kim. No way she can ever make out Kyle as the evil sister or some house thief again, happy Kyle filled in the gaps with the goddamn house. It’s no wonder Kim holds a lot of resentment towards Kyle because she thought because she was Big Kathy’s caretaker she thought she would had gotten it all. Big Kathy sure pulled a fast one on her!
She didn’t leave the house to Kyle.She left it to all three girls with Kyle being the executor.
The point is she found Kyle to the responsible one. She didnt trust Kim at all.
CocoBrown: that is not a fair conclusion unless you knew the mother personally. There are lots of reasons people choose an executor (sometimes undue influence is a factor). And I have seen lots of extended family executors ignore the provisions of a will because other family members do not have the means to challenge those decisions or because the will contains a provision that automatically disinherits them if they challenge anything about the will. The fact that the dead mom named Kyle as executor means nothing. She could have done it years before and never updated her will. But I will concede one thing: executors of any estate are often unfairly vilified.
Yawn.
You don’t understand what Kyle has spelled out SO CLEARLY. Executor does not mean you inherit the estate.
Interesting that Kathy was not the executor of the estate. She trusted Kyle to fulfill her wishes. Speaks volumes to me. I honestly can’t wait for the season to be over so that i don’t have to see Kim and Brandi on my t.v. Such terrible people through and through.
OR- Big Kathy and Little Kathy perhaps did not have a close relationship? Perhaps Little Kathy purposely distanced herself from her flawed mother as a means of self protection?
There were problems between Big Kathy and Little Kathy. That is the only explanation for the youngest being made executor over the oldest, least codependent daughter.
This whole storyline makes me extremely sad, and I do NOT tune into these innane shows for the pathos. These shows are supposed to distract me from my troubles, not remind me of them. F you, Andy Cohen, for ruining this show somehow after Season 1.
There was a moment in the sisters’ argument when Kyle told Kim: “you were not in a position to get a mortgage”. She stopped herself right after that statement, it seemed like she was afraid of revealing too much of Kim’s problems again. I think you are right about their mother picking Kyle to deal with the house because she knew Kim couldn’t.
At this stage of the game most viewers know what the heck Kyle was alluding too – drugs and the bottle!
Very plausible
This topis is so stuff because there’s no way for Kyle to win. No matter WHAT kyle says, Kim will not change her story. At this point, facts don’t matter to her. Kathy could easily back up Kyle to Kim. Yet for years, Kim has remained unchecked. I think this family has a chronic case of avoidance. Kim’s too fragile to be reprimanded. Kim’s been through a lot. Kim doesn’t have a husband. Kim’s not wealthy. Poor Kim. Poor pampered, drunken, sloppy, self-indulgent Kim. Why has Life got the nerve not to be easy on her? Why, indeed.
Agreed, the best Kyle can hope for in the distant future is detente. Kim just seems to hate Kyle way beyond my capacity to understand how that can be a thing.
Clearly you do not have sisters. It is most assuredly a thing. Until you kill them, and then, it ain’t no thing.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 11:55 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Okay, TT, you must have had one hell of a relationship with your sisters. I have sisters and we have disagreements but never fight or hatred. We agree to disagree or place subjects off-limits (as in, I know where you stand so let’s not discuss this anymore.) That said, I am glad Kyle is setting boundaries and not blindly supporting Kim ala game night.
I had two sisters. The nice one is still alive. We don’t talk much. The dead one was pure evil.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 5:49 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I have two sisters. My mother has five, my father had four, and among them many sisters among their children. Among them all I have never seen this type of behavior between any of them. In fact I must lead a sheltered life, and it is true that I’m not privy to the private lives of sisters but I’ve never seen publicly displayed animosity on the level Kim shows for Kyle.
Um. I have 3 sisters. It’s a thing, OK? Those of you with good relationships, bully for you. You win.
Well, I don’t doubt that it’s a thing, obviously viewing the show watching Kim’s actions toward Kyle makes it clear it is a thing. I’ve just never witnessed it in person, and I ain’t no spring chicken, so I’m curious about the prevalence of the phenomenon.
I find it hard to believe that sibling rivalry or the relationship between sisters in particular is a new concept for you. Are you one of those people that was raised in a closet and was only recently let out by DFACS?
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I have two sisters, talk to one not the other. Sisters like anyone else are individuals with personalities, good or bad. You have to decide for yourself if you want negativity or sanity. My sister when my husband was deployed wanted to know about the insurance on him. What would happen if? I never talked to her again, I had my children to take care during deployments and didn’t need someone hanging around to like a vulture. She doesn’t have the best relationships with people go figure. Kim knows Kyle’s triggers and what she is sensitive about, all why insisting she wants things kept private. She wants them kept private so Kyle stays in the corner Kim put her in. Kyle needs to step away if only to show Kim she isn’t putting up with it anymore.
Learn to laugh… I have two sisters and my little sister and I would meet in the hallway and fight to the death (until mom and dad broke it up).
But you mess with my little sis? I will hunt you down and you will never even think of my little sister again. I will haunt your dreams–I GET TO TERRORIZE MY SISTER (and vice versa), NO ONE ELSE CAN!
And I feel like just had a fairy tale childhood. For real.
The rivalry I get. The extent, and the public display of it I don’t.
I have 2 sisters, too. One, I did not speak to or have any contact with for 33 years. The only reason we reconciled was because the other sister lied and said my cancer was terminal, and hospice was taking care of me. Otherwise, there would have been no reason for her to be in my life.
Just because someone is related by blood does not mean you need to be chained to them for life.
Sadly, I know of a couple families in which two siblings, specifically sisters, hate each other. Like HATE. As the saying goes, you can choose your friends, but you can’t choose your family.
Exactly! The green eyed monster. In Kim’s fuzzy mind, I’m the one who is suppose to have the handsome husband, money, multiple homes, perfect children, fame, and close friends. Why o’ why is it not so?
You nailed it. It’s pretty clear this family has been tip-toeing around Kim’s “instability” for years. I think it was a huge mistake for Kyle to sign onto the show with her & as I wrote earlier I’m curious in how/why they signed together. Kyle should’ve known Kim would hold no punches trying to make herself shine & her look like the bad sister.
I think that there is a certain ignorance concerning addiction. I think that Kyle thought that if Kim had something to do, a “responsibility” she would straighten up. It was a nice gesture, but as kyle has now learned, it doesn’t help to keep an addict busy. And we saw how Kim could not keep her commitments to RHOBH and was a no show ant many events.
You’ve hit the nail on the head with that one line, Chay.
‘For years Kim has remained unchecked’.
People, including her friends and family have made endless excuses, tolerated her, covered, appeased and ENABLED her terrible behaviour. Kyle would actually be doing Kim a huge favour if she decided to step away permanently. Sever all ties in 2015. Let Kim stand on her own two feet. It is long overdue. Kyle if you’re reading this, you’ve cried enough, sever the ties and let your sister do whatever she wants to do.
I’ll also co-sign on the ‘poor pampered, drunken, sloppy, self indulgent Kim’. She is completely deluded and misguided, as well as ENTITLED. Kim will never change until SHE has a reason to. I’m not buying the ‘my children, my children’ noise. Those poor children have seen their drunken mother many times during their childhood. It has affected them already and they have coped with it. Whether it has done some long term permanent damage remains to be seen. Kim is just plain horrible. I cannot muster up any sympathy or compassion for her.
It sounds like their mother’s Will set up a family trust and tied the property in that. It happens a lot actually. Sometimes for tax reasons, even though it is usually advised against as it is a form of controlling the estate from beyond the grave.
Actually, it sounds like Kyle promised her mother not to sell the house for ten years.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 12:31 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I think it was in the will, or the other two (both quite motivated by money) would have agreed to sell earlier if they were losing money on it.
And verbal agreements count as contracts EXCEPT in a few areas: one being real estate (Statute of Frauds). So there could not have been a true verbal contract on the house–though I do see Kyle respecting wishes her mother expressed.
Kyle must be a thrill seeker because I’d equate going on a reality show with your addict sister who doesn’t like you to jumping out of an airplane without a parachute. I like Kyle a lot, and it was a nice gesture in theory, but she had to know what she was getting herself into with Kim and RHOBH.
I remember reading years back that it was a bit different. Kathy was okay with selling her shares, but Kim, not so much. Except, Kim needed a loan. So instead of just giving her money, they bought her out of her share in the house. Kim thought this was a loan, and some time later (Not sure how much time had passed) when Kim returned with the money, Kyle and Mauricio had no intentions of selling Kim’s stake in the house to her again. So she feels duped.
Of course, once the papers are signed, and money exchanged, Kyle and Mauricio owned the house outright. Unless it was a clause in the contract, Kyle is not obligated to let Kim “buy in” whenever she pleases. But, still, that’s gotta hurt. Non-sober Kim, debt-saddled probably had no idea what she was signing, and while perfectly legal, sober(ish)-eyed Kim focused for just long enough to realize the last pice of anything she owned slipped from her fingers. So, yea..she’s bitter. But unless Kyle reneged on a deal, it isn’t “stealing.”
It’s a bad situation for sisters especially when one isn’t dealing with a full deck all of the time. Looks like when Kim wanted to use her share of the house to secure a loan she was using her family as a bank. This says that she wasn’t able to get a loan the conventional way, because banks aren’t family and they don’t care, they just want regular payments. So her family (Kyle) was doing her a favor, one that she’d probably had to do many times before.
And Kyle, knowing Kim can’t or won’t handle her business or her money properly, tried to tell her “look…we’ll give you the money but you’re forfeiting your share of the house”. Who knows? Again, when someone is not rational due to drug abuse it’s just bad for all concerned.
I find it hard to understand why a woman with the amount of alimony and child support Kim must have been getting would have such money problems in the first place. And if it’s because of drug abuse and unrestricted shopping, then she deserved to lose her share of the house by putting herself there. One of life’s harsh realities that she has apparently failed to learn is that nothing comes without a price to pay.
Her alimony is a good amount, but she also pays a lot of rent on her home, and I’m sure her kids go to nice schools and all have cars. It doesn’t go as far one would think on Kim’s lifestyle. Plus, Kim’s youngest just went to college, right? I’m sure all of the child support dried up by now.
Thanks for the info.
Sarcasatire, this is exactly how I remember it going down.
That said, I do NOT comprehend the whole come-see-my-fancy-house-in-palm-desert-on-camera idea, knowing full well the intense back story. Guaranteed production forced this. Makes no sense.
I doubt production forced it. Kyle had just bought the house and wanted to show it off.
Which I am sure you all think is horribly horrid of her. Because, she should hide the house under a bushel or something.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Why when Kyle shows her lifestyle mostly everyone gets butthurt or views her as tacky?? But anyone else on the show does people don’t say one damn word. I thought that was one of the primary reasons why people just love BH is to see all the women show off their lifestyles and go on glamorous trips.
âThank you! I love watching Kyle’s life and hers is the one I would switch with if I had to.
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 12:59 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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When Kim moved she had Kyle help her and showed her the house, it is a common practice, it seems. I don’t think Kyle was trying to throw it in Kim’s face. The audience maybe but not Kim. Plus Kim always wants Kyle to act to her like Kim is sane and all, then when she treats like a normal human being it get thrown in her face how much Kim isn’t normal. I always felt that people, except Taylor, treated Kim like she was two, and they do the same with Brandi, the poor Brandi she doesn’t like herself, who the heck cares? These two women are grown and have children, one grown children, shouldn’t they be expected to act like adults, sober or not, you are a cunt I am gonna treat you like on.
I don’t understand this explanation. Why would someone be allowed to buy back in? Considering how many family members are in the real estate business, it would make no sense for Kyle and Mauricio to agree to it. They would know better. BTW, didn’t Kyle say in that scene that both Kim and Kathy already had houses in the desert?
Yes, yes she did say that Angel(?).
A bit off topic, but I’ve wondered about the relationship b/w Kathy and Kyle since Kyle’s husband formed his own agency. Mauricio left Kathy’s husband’s agency, then formed his own, which competes directly with the Hilton’s real estate agency. That’s gotta hurt. It seems like Kathy is never on camera with Kyle alone, but does shoot with Kim. In one recent episode, I remember Kim saying, “Kathy would never do that to me, or act like that…” or something similar. It seems like Kathy might enable Kim, which makes it even harder for Kyle to stand-up to her. Interesting/unhealthy dynamics.
Kathy would never do that to me came directly from BG mouth into Kim’s ear.
BG is an asshole but Kim said stuff like that about Kathy to Kyle in season 1. Those problems have been existing in that family with those sisters way before RHOBH came along, much less BG
Their families are one big soap! Reminds me of shit you’ll see on Bold and the Beautiful and Y&R or Dallas. Now you Brooke and Farrah in real estate. Oy! Then you know Kyle mingles with celebs and brings them to Mauricio’s company. I remember him saying in the season 3 reunion when they talked about Adrienne’s house he said “Im a follower to the social life when it comes to his wife.” Kathy cant be too thrilled not only Kyle has done her own clothing line but also is dipping into more of Rick’s neck of the woods with the real estate. Holy shit. Talk about competition!
Can’t believe I am saying something in Kyle’s defense but here goes. It must have been an untenable situation for Mauricio working for his brother-in-law after the limo scene. Since we have seen that Kathy and Kim have a much better relationship than Kathy and Kyle do, Mauricio may have had no choice but to set up his own firm.
What if BG big plan is to get in good with Kathy and her kids? Trash Kim to them, wiggle her way into the “family”, it’s her MO. Getting in good with the prestigious name and then throwing them under the bus. She’s a leech
If that’s true, why did she ask that her daughter Brooke get the listing? And Monty is from a wealthy family. Gambling is probably his pastime.
Still, with Kim’s history of addiction, it’s not surprising that the details are fuzzy for her, and that her cognitive function has suffered.
Ugh. Not to state the obvious, but my post and Gilette’s below were in response to a comment that’s vanished. Carry on.
Oh it’s very probable to meet a friend of Max’s in Europe!! Whenever I travel with my mom there is hardly a time she doesn’t meet someone she knows! Spies everywhere lol!! I also think I understand why kyle was the executor of the estate probably because Kyle’s husband in real estate and kyle seems the most level headed out of all three! (Can’t believe I said that) Kathy seems like a dreamer and too much about money something about get rubs me the wrong way! And well kim…no explanation needed! This family knows she has a substance abuse problem they just can’t even vocalize it! Kyle you are on a reality show please stop with the ‘private’ stuff!
Agree (dad always ran into people he knew ANYWHERE we went). Agree on that. Didn’t read the rest.
Kyle is making way too big of a deal about this. Keyrist on a cracker — she wrote 2 paragraphs on that damned house and Kim’s ludicrous accusations. She should have just written: “My sister says I stole her house. Bless her heart, but consider the source.”
It’s a Bravo reality show — not Middle East peace talks. People will forget the whole thing a week after the season ends.
When you’re in the moment on something like that you can start to feel like you really have to clear your name. Especially when it’s brought up more than once. Gamble’s going through the same type of thing over the hooker, and stripper allegations Janet seems to have made up.
Bingo, Wonky Tonk.
Kyle has heard and read about people trying to figure out different reasons as to “why” she “stole Kim’s house” instead of IF she did it.
The propensity of people to believe a junkie amazes me.
Junkies don’t get the benefit of the doubt until they have demonstrated that they can handle their own lives without lies and resentment.
Junkies are good at manipulating, being the innocent and getting people to feel sorry for them. And with Kim being an actress on top of it, she was able to sway the tv audience in her favor for years against Kyle. She was crafty and knew what she doing. Again this season put everything into perspective how Kim is and what Kyle has dealt with for decades.
It’s only hard to drop it if you take yourself too seriously on an flipping reality show. Gamble should drop it too but at least she has the concern of Wolfie not being from Melbourne & possibly believing the rumors. The people who matter most in Kyle’s life — like her husband — aren’t going to believe Kim. Kyle needs to keep perspective — she doesn’t need to “clear her name” to strangers (ie viewers) who really don’t matter to her real life.
Hmm I dunno. I can see why Kyle wants to clear her name. Imagine people thinking and believing you actually stole something for all these years. Thats serious. And in a town as shady and cut throat as LA people tend to believe and talk. Now I agree I didn’t buy it as a viewer what Kim was saying in the first season about the house but there were several fans that did by her allegation and probably still are. All this blog and the episode did for me was confirm how much of a liar Kim is.
I don’t think she needs to worry so much about clearing her name to twitter strangers — and that’s who the blog is for, IMO. I think the people in LA know who Kim is and her husband, family & good friends for sure do.
I think the blog makes Kyle look too concerned with the nuts who believe Kim — she needs to stop trying to convince them; it will never happen IMO. (And when I write that I also means she needs to STOP worrying about what they think of her too — that’s the real issue here. She’s never going to win them over; she needs to accept that & not let it upset her, IMO).
PS — What it boils down to, is I think Kyle needs to move to I-DONT-GIVE-A-FUCK-ABOUT-YOU-LAND re: people who believe Kim.
h/t @ChayEday
See this is my homeland. I don’t understand people that need to be prodded to such a lovely place. I’m here doing my thing, the way I choose to do it, and you can hang with me or go fuck yourself… Because I live in I Don’t Give A Fuck About You Land Everyday.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Kim’s “poor wittle me” cover has finally been blown to bits in Palm Springs . The witchy finger lunging out at her sister , losing control and screaming at her sister all smells of desperation , a cornered animal wildly lashing out when she has been found out. The allusion to cancelled checks sealed the deal.
Right. She thought Kathy was paid more than her. LOL. If that doesn’t scream money hungry addict…
THANK YOU, Angienc.
“…Blah blah blah… I was the executer of our mother’s trust. She asked me to hold onto the house for 10 years and then sell it. I think that was because it was so hard to face dying and think of all her most prized possessions no longer being a part of our lives as well. Business wise, it was a terrible investment, because we were losing money… Blah blah blah…”
Thanks, Kyle. “Its painful going over this time and time again.” Well, you have us a ton giving on it and I’M BORED!
Let’s face it. The mother chose Kyle over Kathy Hilton the oldest, as the executor of the estate. That in itself is interesting.
@Gessie mhmm truth!
Yay boundaries! Thanks for the blog, TT. Kim is a lethal combination of crazy and mean. She seethes when anything good comes Kyle’s way. I hope Kyle sticks continues to say she won’t participate.
Kim thinks Kyle should appease her lifestyle to make her feel better. I think not. Kim best get somewhere and sit down and enjoy her bedroom Kyle has for her in the vacation house. If I had a sister like Kyle who was sharing her lifestyle with me Id be the most appreciative and grateful person but Kim so jealous and full of resentment she dont see it that way.
Kyle rubs me the wrong way. Always has. But I’m really impressed that she’s no longer speaking to Kim. Kim is an emotional vampire. She doesn’t deserve a place in Kyle’s life.
co-sign.
That makes three of us!
Four.
Jesus. Just because something has been printed in a book DOESN’T MAKE IT TRUE. Especially an “expose” gathered from disgruntled employees and ex spouses.
Kim has no money. Kim has no alimony. Kim has nothing except what Kyle and Mauricio were giving her and now she is reliant upon the “good sister” (ahem, enabler), Kathy for support.
Kim will keep her nose up Kathy’s ass for as long as she is receiving the payments she thinks are her due. I feel sorry for Kathy if one of those checks is delayed somehow.
Whatever else you think about the Avanzino/Richards/Hilton family, there was a lot of love. Book notwithstanding.
And just because you wrote it, it DOESN’T MAKE IT TRUE.
I remember in the limo fight when Kim said the accusation, Kyle also mentioned that Mauricio has given her money and supported her. I think there is much more that Kyle could say but she is trying to balance Kim’s privacy with her keeping her reputation intact from Kim’s lies. I did notice that as soon as Kyle said that both daughters had the listing Kim shut up. She knew she looked stupid. I hope this gets cleared up once and for all at the reunion.
I think there are a few things going on with the whole 10 years holding onto the house. 1 – I think it is very possible just another attempt by Big Kathy to continue to control everything beyond the grave. They would still dance to her tune long after she was gone. 2 – Or that Big Kathy knew how messed up Kim was and put the 10 years restriction on selling the house to give Kim time to get her act together, sober up, dry out and become productive. or 3 – if Kim wasn’t going to get her act together she and her children would have a home. My money is on Big Kathy just like the idea of drama and still pulling the strings on their lives of years to come. She pitted those girls against each other in life why not take a few swipes in death?
Great point, it is very manipulative.
I don’t find it so strange that the mother wanted them to hold onto the house for ten years. Many parents want ALL the children and grandchildren to enjoy the property until grown up. I also don’t find it so strange that she made Kyle the executor, although she could have made all three of them executors. Kathy lives quite the life and Kim is for sure not capable of making an decisions. It makes sense to me.
I’m the baby in the family and when Mom named me her executor a couple of years back when she made her will, my older sister was really hurt and pissed off with me. She feels, like most people probably would, that as the elder sister she should be the one in charge of Mom’s affairs when the time comes. So our relationship has changed because of that and my sister resents me and lets me know it from time to time.
However, that sister has behaved in ways similar to Kim; blew all her money the minute she got it and then asked Mom and me for handouts to make her house payment, etc. We used to help her out and give her money until we found out that she’d lie and use it for ridiculous things and not what she claimed she needed it for.
She has also abused drugs and been to rehab twice which my mother financed, about $30K, and so it’s stated in Mom’s will to deduct that amount from my sister’s share when the properties are sold and the money distributed. My sister doesn’t think that’s fair, of course, because she is self-oriented and doesn’t see it rationally. She says that Mom paid for her rehab as a gift and it shouldn’t be deducted from her share, etc. Again, no sense of responsibility for her behavior, just wants the money.
And she has never been there for Mom in her old age, always makes excuses why she doesn’t visit. I am the one here in town with Mom, I take her to the doctor, take her grocery shopping, and come running whenever she needs me for anything. I don’t ask for an extra share of any money for doing anything for her because I’m glad to do it and it’s a give-and-take situation because my Mom has always been there for me if I needed her. Of course, she’s always been there for my sister, too, but with very little given back to her.
If my sister thought about it rationally she’d see that but all she has ever cared for is money. Selfish, immature people like her don’t see that there is a need to give of oneself. I don’t know what she thinks is so special and unique about herself that she is supposed to be the beneficiary at all times and never the benefactor.
That is exactly my thought on how executor was chosen.
(What PJS said.)
Maybe Kyle was the only one who offered. I asked my sister to do it for my mom because I just didn’t want the responsibility and she’s far more detail-oriented. I don’t see any nefarious or hidden agenda in the appointment of Kyle being appointed over Kathy.
I wish we could edit our posts. Ack. “I don’t see any nefarious or hidden agenda in the appointment of Kyle over Kathy” is what I meant to say.
No one suggested anything nefarious. Anyone can be named as the executor. However it is most common for the eldest sibling or a couple of the eldest to be named executor. It’s not a job anyone wants, so there are many possibilities that could determine who is named. Nothing nefarious, just something of interest to some of us to note.
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I don’t have sisters, but I’m fascinated with the relationships between women and their sisters.
If Kim wanted the house she could have bought out the other two. Needing a loan because of money troubles and then repaying 20k and then expecting to have the home doesnt make any sense. Kim sure shut up pretty quick when Kyle said she had the cancelled checks and her daughter shared the listing.
Well, Kyle may be the baby, but I wouldn’t have Kim as the executer of my will, either. Maybe Kathy… But I don’t know what her daily life is like. Between Kim and Kyle, Kyle is the clear choice
She probably knew that Kathy didnt want to be bothered with the responsibility and would have sold it right after her death. Also, if Kim is needing loans who was shelling out for the property taxes, insurance, maintenance on the house etc? Prob Kyle and Mauricio. There are also costs on upkeep.
Thats how I see it Josie. Kathy also already had a home in the desert so most definitely she would had sold it off and not honored Big Kathy’s request.
It struck me how Kim didnt seem to care when Kyle started crying and went to the kitchen. You could tell this was a scene Kim was used to and had happened many times before. I would be devastated if I saw that I had made my sister cry.
I also thought it was gutsy of Kyle to say that she thought they settled the house thing when Kim went to rehab THREE years ago. Why is it coming up again now? My hunch is Brandi has been whispering in Kim’s ear opening up old wounds.
Like what someone pointed out Kim is an emotional blood sucker. She likes getting Kyle worked up to the point shes caught in her web. Kyle needs the most therapy between the two because, to me, Kim isn’t going to change. Kyle needs therapy so she wont be handle emotionally hostage to Kim in situations like that in the kitchen and other scenes throughout the season since poker night.
@Josie I noticed that too. I get the impression that Kim somehow enjoys the power she exerts over her younger sister. It’s almost as if she likes seeing Kyle cry. This tells us a lot about Kim. My older sister and I don’t get along so we choose not to hang out together. This has suited us well for two decades. Perhaps Kyle should compare how tranquil her life is when KIM is out of it. They’ve had many periods of not speaking over the Five seasons.
Regarding the house, I agree, Brandi has probably been initiating conversations about how Kim has been wronged by Kyle over the years etc and because Kim has an attitude of ENTITLEMENT, she laps it up. Then, when they are together she unleashes her venom on Kyle.
I feel sorry for Kyle. She has it all, money, great husband, great kids, friends, money. She should be so happy but for Kim. They both need counseling for their heavy duty co-dependency. Kim is Kyle’s drug.
Why do they all seem to dance around the info about the daughters sharing the listing? Its never stated as a fact that I’ve seen or heard. I don’t get why it’d be a big deal either way, but could see Kim getting upset if only Farrah was hired. Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but notice how its always worded “they could” or “we talked about it”.
The chances of bumping into maxs friend is not that rare. My ex boyfriend went to an international boarding school and we’d bump into people throughout the U.S. and Europe.
I think there is a lot of jealousy here. I think Kim looks at her life and hates Kyle for it. Kyle has two beautiful homes and what seems like great kids and a successful and some would say handsome husband. It is sad the hatred she has for Kyle. I have a sister like that. I stay away from her. It is for the best. Good luck Kyle.
Tamara…….. thank you. I feel like you steal my thoughts daily. Always on point!
With this whole housing debacle does anyone know how much money they were talking about that was a loan to kim/selling her share of the house? I’m curious who was keeping up with the maintenance for all those years! It sounds like Kyle was! I wish they would reveal all just to shut kim and brandi up but I understand why they want privacy!
But… Really? Does anyone care that much?
Lol you are cracking me up! I just want someone to shut kim and brandi down!! I never cared much for kyle but Kim’s mouth is dangerous! Implying things about Lisa Rinna and her husband and now she is trying to paint kyle and Mauricio as swindlers! These are Brandi’s tactics and kim is really stupid enough to be her puppet!
I also find it weird that the youngest was the executor but I’m guessing Kathy is too wrapped up in being a Hilton and Kim was too much of a mess so it fell on Kyle. Kyle has mentioned before that she promised her dying mother to take care of Kim too.
I’m no big Kyle fan but I’m glad she cleared these things up for the record. Kim has been lobbing accusations against her for years and probably just expected Kyle would never talk about it publicly. I’m sure Kim will find a way to be a victim of this blog.
“Kim has been lobbing accusations against her for years and probably just expected Kyle would never talk about it publicly.” And I believe that’s exactly why Kyle & Lisa V. were able to put last season’s BS behind them & move forward with their friendship. Kyle & Lisa share the same “code”, whereas Kim – not so much.
Why does Kim keep getting away with not writing a blog.
How does Kim get away with not posting any blogs? Not even a question and answer blog. I wish someone would tweet and ask Andy.
Kyle looks as though she could be sharing tea with TT’s ladies. Lovely.
I too live in “I don’t give a fuck land” and find people talking negatively in public about me to be a great form of entertainment. But I too would have written a blog about the house sale, mainly because is hurting the reputation of mauricio and his business. I am happy she cleared it up. Maybe they will stop talking about it. Sigh. Probably not.