Remember when I predicted the jury would come back on Tuesday after lunch? Well it’s Tuesday and the jury came back in the Jodi Arias trial. Remember when I said they will probably not agree? We they don’t. In some states this is when the judge reads something called an Allen Charge to the jury. That is basically the court saying, “Look you bunch of fuckwits, do you have any idea how much money the state has spent on this shit show? Get yer asses back in the room and don’t come out until you all agree. I don’t care what you agree on, but you best by God agree on something or else you are all a bunch of worthless maggots!”
But this is Arizona. Arizona doesn’t allow the Allen Charge, which clearly I paraphrased and modified a tiny bit above. But many states feel like the Allen Charge, or “dynamite charge” makes the jury feel forced to ignore their solemn beliefs on the situation (normally guilt or innocence, but we are in Arizona) and reach a verdict. The fear is that hold outs would feel compelled to find someone they believe is innocent to be guilty. So Arizona gives a watered down version that says something like, ” Oh hey you special little snowflakes. I know you are trying ever so hard to reach a verdict. I am going to give each of you a gold star! Your opinion is your opinion and you don’t have to change it. But hey, if you feel like it, why don’t you identify areas of agreement and disagreement and relate to law. If you still don’t agree you can write me another note and I can answer your questions. No pressure. We have all the time and money in the world to wait for you. Do some yoga. Meditate. Write a poem about your feelings and let us know. *smooches*”
This is the actual cell that Jodi will be assigned.
So we did that. And now we wait. Of course the Judge did not share with the public what the questions are and will be answering them in writing without letting us know what they were told. Because, Arizona.
The Alexander family is crying. But really? What did they think would happen. They should have agreed to LWOP last time.
The jury looks tired and irritable. I hope they let these people call it by four, that would give them the hour notice and they could give the hung jury speech and let these people get back to their lives.
I’m kind of narcoleptic today and really need a nap. I’ll update here as soon as I can, or y’all can update in comments. I don’t predict anything more earth shattering to report. They are split. It will be up to Judge Stephens. Jody will go to Perryville very soon.
This is the actual view from Jodi’s new cell.
About 20 minutes after the jury left, everyone was called back into the courtroom. We thought it was over and then the Judge called a recess. WTF does that even mean? Maybe she just forget to say it on the record when the jury left? Because, Arizona.
Jodi is still hanging out in the court room. They jury may be back sooner than we think. But honestly, they are hung and I need a nap. I’m going to let y’all tell me what I missed.
You do the best paraphrasing ever. Gold Star for you!
Perhaps AZ death penalty trials should be based upon not getting the death penalty or life in prison, but more effectively, choosing between death and being the ass who voted to have taxpayers support the life of a murderer and then have those jurors’ named put out in public.
It will cost l/3 the amount of $ to keep her in that cell for 60 years than what it would cost to put her through the appeal system and then execute her in ten years. so if you are concerned about the taxpayer’s dollar, then execution is the most expensive route. execution is about revenge only…..there are no other practical reasons for it in our society. If you want Jodi Arias to be executed so badly that you are willing to call all of the other innocently executed people collateral damage, then you are one misguided taxpayer.
I hate that smug smile she has thinking she won..Oh well I guess it was too much to ask for the death..but the pic of that jail cell makes me happy she’ll be locked up….Poor Alexander family
I totally agree. That cell is perfect for her. The stain on the blue floor reminds me of the stain on Monica Lewinsky’s blue dress. How appropriate, it’s right up Jodi’s slime highway.
And we wonder why people lose their minds
They worry about “cruel and unusual punishment” for the offender, but dragging this out for years and doing it over and over again seems to be cruel to the Alexander family?
Not to mention the taxpayers of the state of AZ
I can’t say that I am surprised by the outcome that seems to be coming from these “f wits”!! Love that name TT!! What the hell is wrong with the people of Arizona? If this is not a case for the death penalty I don’t know what is….premeditated murder where cruelty was found….poor family. Just get her dead ass to her cell and let the bitch rot, and for the rest of her life she can stare at the gates in front of her…nice view of the cell!! Hope this demented bitch gets out of the limelight and just withers away from no attention. She thinks she was won the war but the war doesn’t start until that door locks behind her in prison, not just a jail cell.
She doesn’t deserve a view. She deserves a room with out a view.
Why don’t they just give her a life sentence? I don’t think anyone will benefit if the state decides to murder her. The whole law system isn’t built to give retaliation to afflicted parties, but to uphold the laws that are in place in our society. The family of the murdered man will grieve for the rest of their lives, but killing her won’t give him back.
And what if she suffers from a mental disability? Then another handicapped person will be put to death, instead of receiving treatment…
My views of this might be a bit different; I live in a country where trials are never televised (one notable exception), where there are no juries and the last person killed was in the 1920’s. People seldomly kill nicely, but who are we as humans to execute them for it? The countries with death penalties today (excluding USA) is mostly countries with high corruption and virtually no human rights. So instead, send her to prison and let her try to make a mence there, education, or programs or whatever. If she doesnt suffer from any mental disabilities she will probably regret this forever, and isnt that the point of it all? Regret and redemption? Just a thought.
Have you seen the autopsy photos?
Seriously! Have you?!!
I meant Has Miroir just to be clear
Seriously.. Isis murders ppl more humanely than jodi
Yes, I saw the autopsy photos. What I misunderstood at the beginning of this ” retrial ” is that the new jury would base their decision ONLY on what
had been presented at the first trial.
The Defense was allowed to almost completely change the mitigating
factors. It was like she got a whole new trial.
And this was after the Defense was able to talk to members of the first jury from the first trial. Absolutely completely unfair to the Prosecution!!
If she does not get Life W/O Parole, I will have lost all faith in our judicial
system!!!
NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE
Alexander’s, welcome to the world of minority people in Ferguson. New York, San Francisco etc. etc..
No, and I have no interest in looking at them. I don’t dispute that they must show traces of his gruesome death, I just don’t think it’s relevant. Regardless of what a person has done I don’t condone the death penalty. Also, looking at those pictures further violates the victim in my opinion, thousands of people looking at the remains and talking about it, fluctuating around the internet so that family members accidentally can come across them. If I would belong to the family I would be mad at that, a further violation of some sort.
Moroir,
The same people who want Jodi to have death will be the same people who cry when Jodi gets 3 appeals-the appeals are an automatic given when given the DP.
Jodi is going to the same jail regardless. If Jodi gets the DP, if will be years and years before she gets it that will be if she gets it.
If Jodi gets LWOP she won’t get the media attention of the three automatic appeals. JA Will be locked up in a room isolated by herself as if she would be on DP, nothing changes.
There will be no book clubs or T-shirt clubs, there will be no JA counseling anybody regardless of sentence.. She’ll be in the room with four walls, a bed, a desk and a metal door.. regardless. If anything JA would be wishing for the DP. She is a long lonely life ahead of her regardless.
Look at what Arieo Castro did. Committed Suicide when he realized his fate
Some people think the DP is the only option.. They do not realize it costs taxpayers triple the money, Half of the time the sentences are overturned on a technicality. If JA gets LWOP, she’ll live the same regardless; we just will never have to see her crazy murdering ass again that so many would be sure to follow all three appeals.
I agree! Let her sit in that cell with no hopes, no dreams, no future, no husband, no children, no attention, just get old and write in her diary. The Manson women are still locked up after 40 plus years. Susan Atkins died a couple of years ago. Her husband wanted her to die a free woman, but was refused parole. She died in Prison.
Maybe the “fog” will lift, and Jodi can scream in her jail cell, as she relives over and over how she butchered Travis. She has shown no remorse, and deserves the DP. But…the jury is at a impasse, and they are dead-locked. It’s over, finally…
Every person who kills someone or even commits a crime is somewhat mentally ill. It is not so much a matter of killing the killer, but the statement that this person is not fit to live amongst us, ever, anywhere. I’m not a big fan of the death penalty, but if it is on the table, it should be an alternative for the jury to consider.
TT, forgot in the above post to thank you for all of your hard work with this case and everyone appreciates what you have done to keep us so informed. You’re and “ACE” and love your website. You have done a wonderful job!!
Something is happening again at court. Families and all attoneys waitig to go into courtroom
I agree LWOP.
Fact: Brady violations are an *automatic* remand.
Perjured testimony and prosecutorial misconduct are completely game changing factors that will be ruled on by a higher court. The verdict, at this time, is basically a moot point. There is a fog of uncertainty obscuring the future and the final outcome, at this juncture.
No verdict today….. All parties just left the courtroom. Jury will reconvene tomorrow at 9:30 am Arizona time.
I dont understand the last comment, did something happen?
Teri, the jury came back, JSS told them she would keep the court room open for as long as needed for them to reach a verdict today but that didn’t happen. Everyone picked up their toys and went home until tomorrow. The jury will go back to deliberating tomorrow. Ugh!
thank you Kate62
TT, loved your recap! “…special little snowflakes.” LMAO
Ugh.. I can’t believe we are still waiting for the outcome of this case. That poor poor family! I hope the special little snowflakes rest their pretty little heads tonight so they can accomplish something finally. After all, Stephens may well end up calling court early tomorrow for the March madness sale at Macy’s.
Btw I made the Macy’s thing up. Don’t anyone get excited. 😉
Thanks for your updates Tamra. They keep me laughing throughout this tedious ordeal!
Thank you for the updates on this crazy trial. ugh! I did not think this jury or any jury would come back with the death penalty in this case. There was likely at least one person on that jury that knew darn well they’d never vote for the death penalty yet they LIED and said they were capable of doing so. The way this man was killed was especially cruel and JA really had no mitigators. The way TA was vilified was really disgusting and if he were the person the defense wanted you to believe why was JA so obsessed and pressed over TA?!
Well look who the cat dragged in!
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 7:43 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Hi there!!!!! Yes. I finally am able to come up for air again;I have been working on a few very stressful cases..
YAY! I assume you won! 🙂
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Yeah, I’m sort of appalled that people have the nerve to trash the jury. These people have been stuck on this case off and on and off and on for months. I think they need to be compensated somehow for the trauma, and apparently the losers who are going to harass them later.
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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That jury is turning out to be a bunch of sniveling cowards!
I don’t see how you can call jury cowards, as an American Citizen and someone who served on Jury’s before–I find your comment not only immature; I find your comment to be rude and ignorant of the jury process,
Just because you are on a DP jury does NOT mean you have to vote for death. We dont know what is going on in that jury room. Period.
The rest of my comment is not directed to you Jacque. This is the problem with shows like Nancy Grace. Its breeds trolls who think they have the right to harass the jury when they dont get the outcome they THINK the defendant should have gotten.
I appreciate all the different points of view expressed on this blog, (these really make me consider perpectives I had not), but I do not think Jacque’s perspective is rude nor ignorant and find that kind of insulting dismissal of others’ p.o.v just annoying.
Anyone whose opinion is that jurors deserve to be denigrated and mocked for their verdict is a cunticle whose opinion on anything else related to the trial is officially irrelevant and dismissed. Muchlike you stupidly sticking up for it. This is not the board to mock the jury or the defense team.
So you can fuck off and go read those opinions somewhere else.
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Yes, calling a group of jurors literally debating the life of another human “sniveling cowards” is such a profound perspective. I’m glad it opened your eyes to a whole new world.
I personally find it annoying when one dismisses another’s point of view because they dismissed someone else’s point of view.
Empathy is a two edged sword. It causes the bearer of it pain and joy. It’s both a curse and a blessing, as you know all too well. That you have it, Tamara, is one of the characteristics that contributes to making you a good person. Without it, you’d be much diminished as a human.
Yeah, well… I counter all of that by abusing the fuckwits around here. I like to be well rounded.
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It ‘s easy to sit at home and demand she get the death penalty. I think she deserves it, but I imagine being on a jury where you actually have to make that decision is not that easy. At this point, I don’t really care what the jury decides. I just want her to go away…forever.
Oh you make me laugh everytime with your paraphrasing. Keep up the good work!
I also think lLWOP would be the best outcome for JA. The trials and most appeals would be over. JA would be put away where she will stay until she dies.
Yes, Jodi earned the death penalty. Its not worth the time and money Arizona has spent to kill her.
In a few years Jodi will realize only a few freaks have any interest in her.
That’s just my opinion.
I’ve always been a strong proponent of the death penalty, but during the trial last year I learned that I would be very satisfied with LWOP. It may turn out to be the greatest punishment for JA because she will be alone, completely alone. No automatic appeals, no mitigation specialist, and very little face to face time with anyone. I think she has already seen that the public has quickly lost interest in her without the television aspect. And, oh how she loves attention! On Thursday of last week she asked for a face to face meeting with Nurmi and she got a phone call. She’s starting to disappear into the bowels of Perryville before she even gets there. Couldn’t have happened to a better person. I read a book on some vicious killers in the Georgia system. It said that each time one of them left their cells the guards would yell out, “Dead man walking.” I hope she hears that every day for the rest of her life.
Jodi truly sickens me.
Well, I can at least wait until she gets to Prison. Where she will Piss someone OFF Or maybe they wait already, To Kill Her SKANK ASS. I don’t believe they will let her live very long at all. I HOPE!!!
You seem a bit over invested in this case. Are you one of the fucknuts that threatens Jodi’s migration witnesses and family? You seem sort of deranged, Steven.
I don’t think of the jury as “sniveling” or “cowards.” I do find it hard to understand, but perhaps they saw something I didn’t.
However, to the person above who said “welcome to the world of the Fergusons” fuck off. That’s the single-most ignorant comment I have ever seen on this blog. “No justice no peace” Fuck, fuck, fuck you. My apologies to everyone here, but I am married to a soldier and my son is a police officer and I hate, hate HATE people who put our officers’ lives even more in danger by condoning the “burn this bitch down” mentality whenever they don’t like a jury decision.
Ban me if you must, Tamara, maybe I didn’t have enough coffee this morning and maybe I take shit like that too personally, but that’s a bunch of bullshit right there.
I agree. Thank you to your son and husband for their service.
No banning. Here have a Tamara Tattles Token.
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Kudos bravocueen. Agree.
I hope today is the day of a decision. Either way, get that witch on the bus to Perryvile stat!
I wonder if the Alexander family is hoping for an end to this marathon more than a death verdict. I think I would be in their place, no matter how much I may have wanted death for Jodi. I can’t see how they can heal until they are done with her completely.
Nope the Alexanders are hellbent on death. If they just wanted it all to be over they could have agreed to a life sentence after the last hung jury. It was up to the prosecutor who left it up to the family whether to try one last time for a death verdict. It was not a required trial, the prosecution could have just let the judge rule after the first hung jury.
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Wow didn’t know that-and it surprises me. Thanks for the info TT.
I don’t think there’s any decision to be made but the death penalty. Think about it, she will still get 15 – 20 years of living. It’s not like once they pronounce the death penalty, they will haul her ass out of court and line her up against the wall in front of a firing squad.
She’ll rot in prison by her little lonesome self until all appeals are exhausted. She won’t be able to “earn privileges” or be released into gen pop. She won’t be able to get married, or earn her degree in law, or doodling or whatever she wants, paid by the taxpayer.
At the end of her appeals, once the date is set for execution, she will always have the chance of having her death sentence commuted by the governor of the state. (Hopefully it’ll be Juan Martinez.)
In the meantime, she will be able to a) prove herself worthy and remorseful or 2) show her true colors by continuing to be the lying,self-absorbed psycho that she really is. Then the death penalty will truly be earned and proved. I mean, besides committing a brutal murder.
Death doesn’t necessarily mean death. But LWOP will allow her to carry on doing more or less what she wants (growing her hair, making T-shirts). Nothing much will impact her. She will continue to make herself the centre of attention. Even in Perryville.
She will get life. There will be no book clubs or t=shirt selling in Perryville. She will have the same cell and the same situation regardless of death of life. She will be segregated from gen pop for the first four years or so but allowed to earn her way into gen pop eventually. Plenty of people have LWOP and are part of gen pop.
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I know I’m probably being very simplistic in my thinking. Given the latitude in which the judge allowed the defense to basically retry this case instead of just do a penalty phase did anyone really expect anything other than a hung jury? Even if they weren’t confused to begin with they had to be by the end of the trial. I sure as hell was.
So, what do you think, easier to persuade a juror adamant on the death penalty to join the LWOP group, or easier to persuade the LWOP towards the death penalty. I don’t think the death penalty side will give it up.
BTW, I am Sandra of the green icon. Other Sandra has the blue icon.
Well Sandra of the Green, I think that if the LWOP people said to the death people that they are not going to agree to kill someone and explain to the death people that if they don’t move to LWOP then they will not be making the decision. I don’t think they know that the judge can’t sentence Jodi to death. But if they do know that somehow, I think they would rather the decision come from them rather than letting their opinions and hard work count for nothing.
Frankly I don’t think either side will move.
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Sadly, I think you are right. And Jodi isn’t the type to fade away into obscurity if given LWOP.
I read blogs regularly,but don’t comment until now. This Death Penalty trial however makes me want to “beg the jury members” to think of this as if it were their son or grandson when he gets older (aside from the baiting with sex part) and put themselves in the position of the family who finds Travis’ body in that condition.
There are, unfortunately, many people who have been jilted, who have been verbally or physically abused, hurt deeply, or have been jealous over the new person; the difference THEY DON’T KILL. This all they need to think about! The end was horrific for this man. No armchair psycho babble about how this all came to pass; just how did this END. What is the just sentence for the horrible/painful end as he watched and felt his own death with no help of medical rescue. He died anguished and alone. Thanks for letting me get this off my chest and forgive any grammatical errors I’m older now and losing much of my proficiency.
There are many killers who I would like to have seen get the death penalty. But there are so many others who didn’t deserve it and died when they should not even have been in a prison in the first place. They died for a crime they did not commit.
I cannot stand JA. Nothing would please me more than for her to suffer grievously or even die for that matter but not at the hands of the government. I do not believe that man has a right to kill another human for any reason. You are either all in for the death penalty or all out. No exceptions. So I have to be against it for even Jodi . Hundreds of innocent men are on death row or have already been put to death who were unjustly convicted for horrid crimes. Imagine you being in their shoes. As long as you are alive there is hope you will be found innocent and can start over. But once you are put to death, that becomes your legacy. Their families live in pain knowing their innocent son or husband died for no reason other than that the system failed them. I would like to see an end to the death penalty. It is inhumane on so many levels and we are better than that.
If JA gets LWOP, it doesn’t mean she’ll be locked away in solitary for the rest of her life. Maybe 2 – 4 years, by most accounts. She can “earn” her way into gen pop by good behavior, growing hair, making t shirts, whatever. She’ll be given more and more privileges inside, and be released in amongst other inmates. This vision of her rotting away all by herself will not happen unless she gets the death penalty. LWOP gives her temporary isolation and fairly soon she’ll be allowed out of isolation and be able to carry on, doing what she does best, lying, making pronouncements, and building on the “victim” persona she has dearly cultivated.
Oops, sorry TT. Saw your response above a bit too late. Sigh…..
This is an easy call for me because I am opposed to the death penalty. The fact that we know for sure the government has executed innocent people makes it unbelievable to me that we still execute. Just take a moment and consider…a family member…a brother or sister, mom or dad was accused of a crime they claim they did not commit. One day they are walked down a hallway, strapped to a stretcher and killed..only to find out later they were indeed innocent. So, basically the government committed murder and you live with that knowledge the rest of your life. There are people out there that live that nightmare. Also, consider the death penalty is applied unevenly. If you are poor or a minority you are more likely to be given the death penalty. We have serial killers that did not get the death penalty…BTK walked out the door on several occasions, over decades knowing when the day was done he would have killed someone. He killed men, women and children. He didn’t kill them in a few minutes. He prolonged their terror…sometimes making the family go through the torture of knowing he was going to kill their child. I believe in the future people will view the death penalty like we now view the burning of witches. That said, life without parolee should mean just that. Not 20 years down the road there might be a chance of release. Juries should be sure that when they give someone life without parolee that person will stay in jail until they die. We have seen the tragedies where someone give life without parolee gets released only to kill again. I don’t watch Nancy Grace – she is part of a sick group of people who decide guilt before the trial is over and behave badly through the trial – I am appalled by the people who stand outside the courts and gleefully fist pump and dance when they get a guilty verdict OR stalk and harass jurors that do not give them the verdict they want. It reminds me of the Romans feeding the Christians to the lions – a blood sport. That is not what our judicial system should be about – but it is for some.
Jodi Arias cannot, in any way, shape or form be confused as being innocently convicted of first degree murder.
You ignore the rest – that there are serial killers who do not get the death penalty. That there are people who torture people before they kill them that do not get the death penalty. There are many murders whose acts pale compared to Jodi and yet they did not get the death penalty. Don’t get me wrong. I feel terrible for the Alexander family but seeing another person die will not bring back their beloved brother. It is blood thirsty revenge and I just don’t think we have the right to kill someone because they killed someone else. I think the death penalty says more about our society than it does the murderer – just like the people who stand outside the court house and cheer and clap their hands. This should be a sober time with reflection. They act like it is a sports even – and maybe to them it is. Killing an innocent person is just one of the reasons I oppose the death penalty. In my heart I do not believe we have the right to murder someone just because they murdered someone. I think we have the right to put them in prison and see to it they do not have a chance to repeat their crime.
What right did the murderer have to murder someone? What right did the victim have? I am not bloodthirsty, nor do I clap and cheer. The law in Arizona and 31 other states allows for the death penalty. Because that is so, it is the right of sober-minded citizens to ask for the ultimate penalty to be brought against those convicted of pre-meditated and aggravated murder. Because other juries and other jurisdictions have decided against the death penalty in some cases (you need to state which ones you’re referring to), doesn’t make the death penalty wrong, or right. Nor is it regarded as a blood sport for the enjoyment of spectators. The Alexander family and the State of Arizona have every right to seek redress for the act of willful murder against an innocent victim named Travis. Jodi isn’t there by accident. She did cause willful murder and she has no one to blame but herself. The death penalty did not convict Arias, the death penalty is not at fault.
PS: I do understand your compassion for people and your desire to be compassionate towards the worst in our society. Not intended as a joke, but how do you regard bin Laden? Where do you draw the line in the sand?
Pam merely stated what she and others feel about the death penalty. Why are you hell bent to change her mind? Why can’t you just say ” I respect your opinion” and let that be. You are an advocate of the death penalty. We get that. Enough all ready.
My opinion is just as worthy as Pam’s, or yours for that matter. I’m not trying to change her mind, why is she, and you, trying to change mine? We don’t need to agree on everything. But I guess you didn’t notice my follow-up reply to Pam.
The death penalty is simply barbaric and civilized enlightened societies have abolished it within their borders. Google those counties who do and don’t murder their fellow citizens and ask yourselves which group you’d rather call your friends and be associated with. For example: Germany, Australia, New Zealand, France, Great Britain? Or North Korea, Congo, Iran, Yemen, Indonesia? Nazi Germany had the death penalty, modern Germany does not. Which, would you say, was/is the better society? If you had to tomorrow move to another country, would one with the death penalty be a plus or minus in your choosing? Italy or Libya? You decide.
I wouldn’t commit murder no matter what country I’m in, in which case, it wouldn’t matter to me if they had a death penalty, or not.
PS: You forgot Canada.
So, Sandra, you’d have no problem being falsely accused of murder in North Korea and executed, just because you’re not the kind of girl that murders? If you were the daughter, sister, or mother of one of the documented innocent people in Texas who have been executed how would you feel? Really, if your child was executed and later evidence was brought forward proving their innocence….. Would you still support the death penalty on your point that you, Sandra, are not a murderer? That you are or aren’t a murder is irrelevant to the fact that capital punishment is wrong and barbaric.
VERDICT REACHED…. ANNOUNCEMENT 10:30 EST
Jury is returning to court to announce results of their deliberations at 11:30 ET. HLN says they will cover it live.
I will be starting a new post. Links to internet streamings are on my Twitter TL
Thanks!
Captain, I can’t argue “what if’s…” What if blank blank blank? No one would go anywhere or do anything. Maybe not such a bad idea, now that I think about it…